Why Western Cape Independence is Foolish and Delusional…
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- In today’s episode, Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh unpacks the bankruptcy of Western Cape independence. We explore the philosophical and legal shortcomings of the idea and its practical impossibility.
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CONTENTS
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:50 Philosophical & legal problems
00:14:18 Practical problems
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Credits:
Director: Bongani Nkosi
Producer: Oratile Kekana
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About me: Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh is an author, scholar and founder of the Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh Xperience (SMWX), a digital, youth-centred current affairs platform. He holds a DPhil in International Relations from the University of Oxford and is a Lecturer in International Relations at Wits.
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Politics is not for the people, it's self interest period.
Where did you pick up such nonsense!!🤣🤣🤣self interest is just self interest!!!,politics is the Art to serve the interests of the populous or the many!!
and its dangerous
@@lungamasuku6872 stop lying
Nothing about politics is art
This is a small minority of Rich people that are worried about loosing their Assets whenever I see any podcasts with Mr Craig pushing this ludicrous and dangerous ideology I make very clear that he does not have 64 % of the backing of the people of the Western Cape he must learn the Demographics of the Cape Provence and get a lesson in the Politics and History also he's no idea
ANTI CAPE INDEPENDANCE
Hi Sizwe , Im a prosecutor and never really had a interest in politics or political affairs , however since I found your channel Ive been hooked and learning so much , so I just wanna thank you and please keep the content flowing.. Will you do a episode titled " who do I vote for" ... God Bless Dr S
Thanks so much! Prosecutors do such great work. 🙏🏽
I agree with Jessie on this one.
a propagandists wet dream request: "Tell us who to vote for"
The laugh is so infectious. The subject matters is so bizarre.The implications are threatening. The performance... Spectacular!! Great episode Sizwe. Subscribed!
VOTE REFERENDUM PARTY TO FREE THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE ❤ FREE KZN 🎉
@@robsgonesailing i AM DEFINITELY VOTING RP. UNLESS YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE WC YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ABOUT COLOUR IT'S ABOUT OUR DAMS/SCHOOLS/ INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT COPE FOR MILLIONS OF MIGRANTS FROM OTHER PROVINCES. WE ALREADY HAD DAY ZERO IN 2018 AND NOW AGAIN OUR DAMS ARE LOW.
@@veronicakarstel9126calling citizens moving within their country immigrants is the most ridiculous thing i’ve ever heard, your privilege is making you delusional, this nonsense will soon come to an end.
linganya lina maracists
@@veronicakarstel9126Wow, what about the inflow of illegal immigrants into the Western Cape? You are only concerned about black South Africans because you cannot exploit them as cheap labor.
Ironically, one of those independence salesmen quote tweeting your video led me here and it was the best thing the fool has ever done. Excellent distillation of the issues with this pipe dream!
The 1652 blend, sent me off. The total disrepect to the people who lost their land because of blending.🤣🤣
We all just “blended”. 😂🤷🏽♂️
WC is the best run Province becuase of Blending it's the Blenders that build the Western Cape now thousands of unblended are flocking into the WC for a better life and a job
Maybe you should look at your 30 years of stupidity and see who you voted for that destroyed our Economy our industry and our Infructructure....that was never buildt by the Unblended by the way it just destroyed the Unblended by nothing or significants in 30 years except Madupi and Khusili and thank the Lord becuase I swear it would have made our country look like a construction site that will never finish
As for the Kand unless you KHOISAN you own nothing unless you bought it this South Africa RIGHTFULL owners are the KHOISANS and not the invaders of the 1800 and the settlers of 1652 at least the Settlers are intelligent enough to know they need to buy land while the invaders think that the Continent belogs to them
Go get a proper Education then you will know Insulting fellow South Africans is not PC imagine I call you th K word just for fun and to be sarcastic ...so Voetjek go get a better than 30% pass rate ..I'm waiting on you 🤣🤣🤪
Such is life, and the history of civilisations. Do not look at life through a contemporary lens in 1652.
Thank Dr. Sizwe we love your work.
This is so hilarious😂 your opening remarks are so blunt. I am thinking about the episode where you hosted Dr Corne Moulder legitimise this thing realising this is what you thought in your mind as you were listening and nodding😭😭 respect for that composure.
Interviews and analysis are two different arts. 😂
When u know they r making idiots of themselves talking Apartheid, u just let them talk until they realise we know apartheid and we say NO 2 APARTHEID 😢
This apartheid foolishness makes me hate Nelson Mandela and his weak minded leadership rushing to proclaim forgiveness to unrepentant people. Look at how they're embarrassing his memory.
I must admit Dr Mpofu also had me there.
Well sa is a f..shithole why not
We have seen the DA telling politicians leaders must go there because it's belong themselves so they can continue control over South Africa ❤
Thank you for your thoughts, Dr. Mpofu-Walsh. I absolutely loathe this idea. My concern is that laws change over time and with enough deep pockets this could potentially be a reality for future generations if this continues to find platforms to be heard and entertained.
Get a load of this. One of these Cape Independence guys said after they emerge victorious from the "race war", they will build a wall around the Cape; protected by tanks & all sorts of heavy artillery & gizmos😂😂Cape independence is the refurbished AWB. New flag, new colours but with no legitimacy because their head cashew isn't even one of us; he's not South African. He's British & thought he'd come down here to put his foot down & tell us what to do like in the good old days
Delusional🤣
🤣😂😂😂 a wall! hahaha haha baphambene ababantu.
iMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD A WALL, TOO MANY MOUNTAINS, STOP LENDING OUT YOUR EARS TO RACISTS. ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN THE WESTERN CAPE MAY STAY IN THE WESTERN CAPE..
Trump - style propaganda without even a disguise
100%, and also, the flag is a huge design fail - So obviously european, british settler vibes.
Wow Sizwe, what a brilliant explanation for us who aren’t scholars of political science. Thank you 🙏
They want a China and Taiwan situation a Russia and Ukraine situation sponsored by you know who.
They want an Israel and Palestine situation. If they are allowed to do this you will have a 🇺🇸 military base there in a matter of months.
I wondered why the cape independence ideas keep mentioning some constitution under Belgian law. Is there such a thing as a constitution under written by the country of Belgium. Is there a constitution paper signed between President de klerk or any previous president and Belgium? I kerp trying to Google it but I see nothing about this constitution anywhere
They seem to have taken something out of context here perhaps. How would this work strategically and geo politically ? I can see thst the port of simonstown could be very strategically positioned in lieu of the issues of the red sea and the houthis. Actually any port on the west coast will do. South africa could really play an enormous part in future trade between countries
The blending as you say it's because the Dutch inter married with the africans and therefore the colored race came about but our original forefathers according to the Bible we came from Noah's 3 sons sham, ham and japheth. Japheth was fair skinned, ham was a black guy where Ethiopia came along and all black people and shem was olive skinned where Indian and colored came from. We are all related guys by birth according to God
Thank you for this sizwe. Unfortunately the da may not continue to government the western cape ! What will they do then?
I am sure the western cape will be a coalition like all other provinces I think
Thank you for this very clear explanation of why the idea of 'Cape Independence' is just stupid!
Great one Sizwe. These informative shares go a very long way in educating SA at citizens. We appreciate it. We sure DO NOT want to experience the 🍉 situation brewing in SA.
if you are familiar with the movie "Elysium", that's exactly what they're trying to achieve
“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” Thomas Jefferson. Capexit, Orania etc are only a thing because of the complacency of the majority camp.
The Cape Independence Party was formed before the EFF and the DA. In 2024, they failed to get enough signatures to register to be on the ballot. MK was formed not so long ago, and they managed to get the needed signatures to be on the ballot. They even tried to recruit Gayton Mckhenzi in 2023. The only thing they have is a lot of money.
We don't want to be fighting wars with the Western Backed Cape a few years from now, hence we don't vote for it and we even refused to give them our signatures.
ANY IDIOT LIKE ZUPTHA CAN GET SIGNATURES, IT MEANS NOTHING. THE DA WON'T ALLOW THE PEOPLE OF THE WC TO HAVE A REFERENDUM BECUSE THEY FEEL THREATHENED, SO I THINK ITS FAIR THAT THE WC PEOPLE CAN DECIDE, BLACK, WHITE AND COLOUR.
Powerful, you are a committed citizen.
Western Cape Independence was possible when the coloured population was over 65% in the Western cape. Blacks and whites have flooded the province because it's the best place to Iive in SA.
I really feel for the coloured population, Cape Independence would of been good for them as they would of been in control.
However, now that the coloured population has collapsed to 41% due to the invasion of blacks and whites its not possible.
@@Truthseeker-iz3djcolored population is 53% but true the invasion of white's and black's has caused so many problems especially the eastern cape invasion.
@@AA-xs8mv then go to Europe
People are just afraid to be clear racist and they come with different wishful ideas. If its not self determination, Jan Van Riebek blend, it becomes localization, failure of ANC government or anything that will make this idea a reality.
why do you disagree with localisation? i don’t see why what happens in my hometown of lusikisiki should be determined by the colonial city of pretoria 1000km away? this is what is happening now, we get corrupt politicians who don’t care about the community
We can certainly have racist views and as far as I know, we have no "thought-police" to stop us. But lets not confuse ourselves : opposing the government on its failures is not being racist. Refusing to accept failure is not racist. Wanting a world-class society to live in, is not racist. So, I ask, why are we accepting second and third best, when we can be tops? Can the ANC turn us into a world-class society? I very much doubt it. Now, here is my challenge to all readers : I want your children to be highly educated, wealthy, well-travelled, cultured and knowledgeable. What do you want for your own children?
New member.
Continue spreading the fire!!❤️🔥❤️🔥
Dr. Sizwe, thank you for the information shared. I have learned a lot from you.
My future president I really hope I will see the day you become the president of this country. You are incredible and so wonderful to have been witness to your journey.
Baphambene , mababuyele e England, Europe to self determine!!!!
They can see that they hey won’t win Western Cape , this is their desperate measures to try and have power
BUGGER OFF. WE WERE BORN HERE AND OUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM EUROPE JUST LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FOR THE CONGO
@@veronicakarstel9126 Why did you find it necessary to colonise us?
What was your strategic goal?
Well said 🤌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@veronicakarstel9126that’s a fallacy you peddle to justify your racism.
Thank you Dr Sizwe for giving us more clarity on this matter. I have one question. Is it possible to revoke citizenship of that Phil Craig guy?
Good question.
Britain imposed the same "blend" when they kidnapped Australian aborigines women , raped them in order to bring the aboriginal race to extinction...Genetic colonization...
Excellent example of how a good education does not always lead to wisdom. Enjoyed listening to you though. Thank you. 😎
I enjoyed this episode so much and I loved this side of you Dr Mphofu-Walsh 😂❤,this one definitely makes my top 10❤
I'm so glad!
You're shining Sizwe. Thanks for your wisdom 🙏🏾
Is it a stupid idea? Yes. Should we underestimate it? No.
You really had fun with this one, and I loved it! Looking forward to more of these fun "blended" episodes lol!
Hey Sizwe
Great video, as always.
Just wanted to know if you could add the excerpts you read-out visually.
Hi Muzi, agree separatism is dead in its crib. Not something I would entertain.
However less centralization and more localization is needed in order to serve the communities we live in. Water, railways, roads, infrastructure etc.
Sure. That’s a fair debate. Independence however is what I am addressing here.
Win elections and implement your policies, do not try to influence policy direction through some weird fear mongering tactics.
Who is Muzi?
@@SbureroI have the same question. This is Sizwe.
@@Sbureroblatant disrespect
Great analysis doc! easy to follow
Dr Mpofu- Walsh great review, you are making sense to me. Thank you 🎉😮
My pleasure!
"So the whole constitutional argument is based on dot dot dot"🤣🤣🤣
You’re very blessed on what what you’re doing
Keep do it and give Thanks 🙏🏾
Have you noticed the sudden claim that vantu people aren't native?
The aim of that is to delegitimize the natives of South Africa so the Europeans can take a piece of this country. The audacity to tell people who have been here for thousands of years that they don't belong her life astounding.
Whom did the Bantu settlers originating from Cameroon, buy the land from?
'thousands of years ...' Can you substatiate that?
What about millions of years ago ... when ALL humans on the planet developed in Africa and migrated to the rest of the world ... evolving eg. white skins as they moved through cold climates ....
Do you know the science about human evolution?
Just Google it?
That's because they aren't native. They came from further north and stole the land from the Khoisan. Ironically, the Boers gave been in at least the Cape for far longer than the Bantu, they came in 1652 and the Bantu only arrived during the Mfecane almost two centuries later
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 You thought you had something there.
Bantu people have been here for at least 3000 years.
The Khoisan exist in other places in Africa, and they are seen as another tribe there. It's only here that tries to make them seem like a different group for exactly the reasons I mentioned.
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 The Khoisan and other similar people exist throughout Southern and Eastern Africa.
In all of these countries, they are referred to as a tribe and are seen as black.
In Kenya, there are Nilo-Saharan people who are also not bantu but are also treated like a tribe.
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 People who say what you're saying only want to claim the Khoisan to take away the legitimacy of Bantu. You are literally telling people who evolved on this continent that they don't belong here.
We appreciate your insights Dr.
its certainly bizarre and laughable...but nonetheless history has taught us to not completely write these movements of; and instead take them seriously enough to squash them from the outset so they dont have enough time to germinate and take root - at least by exposing them for the danger they really are. The Boers also started off as separatists and left the Cape in the 1800's and 100 years later had spread their extremist ideas so much as to assume power and begin the official legislation of apartheid
If it was legally permissible trust me Helen and the DA would have jumped on that ship already
This video gives me vibes of an unhinged attack to such movements which gain rightfully momentum, without actually arguing and talking about there intentions. If SA keeps the trajectory it is right now, sooner or later the Cape Independence will happen.
Edit: Looked at the pooling and the absolute majority of the population of the Cape want the referendum. They see the writing on the wall and want to take the parachute before south africa crash by becoming the next Zimbabwe. 😎
Thank you for making this video. Because they’ve been floating around this cessation idea as a way to psychologically accustom us to its possibility as a means to foreground its implementation - and no one was publicly and rigorously enough (except ActionSA) telling them that they’re smoking crack. We need to tell them every chance we get.
Agreed with everything mentioned, these people are way too fond of gated estates
I'm glad you didn't stop doing your podcast once you were accepted on mainstream tv.
With respect Sizwe, I think you miss the point. Western Cape independence would never have raised its head if the Government over the past 30 years had stuck to the goals of the ANC of 1994. Only one thing has been delivered on in 30 years............. freedom (and that was delivered by the masses not the ANC Government!). But what is freedom if you don't have a job and are starving? The best way to make sure that Western Cape independence doesn't happen is for the Government to deliver what all South Africans need, and now!!!
😂😂The Blend. You couldn't hold yourself Dr.
😂🤷🏽♂️
😂😂😂😂
The "blend" aspect of this topic feels like a desperate attempt by the Cape independence to try and consolidate the colored community. These words "in 1652 the Dutch and Khoi-San began to blend" a poor attempt to demonstrate a cultural overlap between these two races.
By trying to basically say that coloured = indigenous, they are fishing for coloured people's votes/support, who make up a majority in the western Cape.
If you ask actual khoi-San people across the Cape, across the country (Northern Cape especially) they don't see themselves as colored. And as a black South African man married to an Indian South African woman and rising a 'coloured' child I couldn't agree more, coloured doesn't equal to indigenous.
Great video Dr, hope the reality sinks in and they focus on more productive issues.
If the people of the Cape want independence give them independence.
But we dont
Believe me you went hard on this one, i have been waiting for this other side of you like you are saying we are having fun. Lets have more fun going forward, i always thought you have this other side and boom made me proud. This was a brilliant coverage loved it👊 Ayeye.
#Spread the fire
Thank you for unpacking the SCI-FI NOVEL. So entertaining 😅
Thank you Sizwe👍🏿
Sizwe, you and I are on opposite sides of the political spectrum on a lot of issues, but here I agree with you 100%! Thanx for your show. x
The blend joke is this cape Independence brought by foreigners
A thoroughly enjoyable and informative episode. Sizwe, I am indebted to you for filling the gaps I have in my history and understanding of social political events. Salute.
Being something of a gentleman I see you refused to directly call out the DA romancing this issue as at the very least entertaining racist ideas.
I’m happy I subscribed to this channel
😁
I fully agree with your position on this issue. What really should have happened is that all white people who refuses to live in Africa, should have been offered the option to be repatriated to their countries of origin, even if this was 300 years ago. Those who opted to stay, would have had to make peace that they had to become "Africanized" and had to assimilate fully into Africa... That means "mixing" where they live, love, be entertained, shop and relax....
In my opinion, we can still do this. The EU need to take in people who has their origin in Europe and refuses to assimilate in Africa.
I like this Sizwe more, this Cape independence things has to be called out for its stupidity.
Thanks u brother....I'm happy sir
LOL.... the intro is too perfect!!
1652 blend for Dr 😂😂😂you were rocking on this analysis I loved it so much ❤❤❤❤❤keep it up my brother, you are our only episos that we trust in everything ❤❤❤#100k subscribers before 29 may 2024❤❤❤
I ran into one of these independent people once, they came into my work place and started handing out fliers. When I saw what they said I just burst out laughing, it was so stupid.
Thanks
Wow thanks!
Thanks!
Welcome!
You do realise the whole point of a referendum is to understand the wishes of the entire electorate. If the majority do not want independence, then the vote will show that. Why does it have to be so difficult to allow people to vote on this proposal of independence.
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Boer children. God Bless the true Dutch natives if the Cape. I pray that they gain their freedom
I'm not sure if there is an analysis on the channel about Orania. If there isn't can we please have an episode
Dr Sizwe I responded to that video as well and fought my urguement in that video since when Jan Van Rebiek was a black ⚫️ man
The idea of Western Cape independence would be a mute point if the ANC ran the country well. Years if ANC mismanagement, corruption and the lack of ability to create jobs, improve roads, hospitals, supply basic needs like schooling and electricity has meant that some people want to take things into their own hands. There are many people in South Africa who have wanted to play an active role in the betterment of South Africa but have been hamstrung because of the colour of their skin. Instead of retreating into a corner or leaving the country, people are wanting to map their own future. Whether one agrees or not, it’s important to understand why people have come to such an idea…
Is Oranja within this right? Is that an example?
Go to school
@@jsNkutha-eu3iuu dom droll
As a Cape Coloured I don't agree with the idea of independence but hello we live in a democracy and people can propagate ideas that we don't agree with. That is democracy. If the majority of the people support the idea, why not?😮
Unitary state brother. Also, you have to know that they’ll say the new country must be based on “merit” which means white people will hire each other in anll the good jobs and leave you guys as second class citizens. Which masses will stand with you then? You’d all be on your own because you voted to leave the safety of SA.
On their way to Europe they can drop you off in Malaysia how about that?
Wow. Racist much?
Would you as a Cape Coloured be able to go to Phil Craig's country the UK and attempt the same without repercussions? But then I'm not surprised you'd gravitate towards the idea. white people play you like cheap violins over there
@@mr.blackzonrackz7055 AND YOU IN THE cONGO
They don't like sharing the roads with minibus taxis too...
Of cause, it's oppressive sitting at the beach next to someone eating Gatsby and Fanta with no knife and fork😅😅😅
@karthi7016 we don't like sharing the road with anyone, not just taxis.
We dont like sharing our roads with criminals. If your Taxi is legal no one will touch you. I get the rest of the country is not used to police doing their jobs. Here in cape town we work.
The way you laughed at "The blend" 😂😂😂😂
I still remember when Helen Zille said in 2012/13 that people from the Eastern Cape must leave the Western Cape. She showed so much animosity towards people from the Eastern Cape coming to the Western Cape, you could have sworn they legit needed passports to cross the provincial border. I think this may have given birth to this ridiculous idea, or perhaps that's why the DA might seemingly be getting roped into this idea🤷
It's not a matter of animosity it's right intelligent thinking. The people left their homes in the Eastern Cape and when they arrive in Western Cape they immediately demand another house. They just squad on any open land where houses cannot be built without permission. That's called wetlands. The fact of the matter is why all those people ran from their province.
You're smoking strong stuff.
They have the right to move anywhere in SA.
They move to KZN and Gauteng in their 1000s and you don't see us telling them to move back home.
During the Marikana debacle,most of those people on strike were Xhosa from the Eastern Cape.
Helen Zille's parents were refugees from East Germany.
With her skin tone,she has no right whatsoever to tell people that they are economic refugees.
So-called Coloureds need to wake up failing which l foresee huge problems that will be to their detriment.
I am mixed race but have never and will never consider myself Coloured.
I'm Black.
🚶🏿🚶🏿🚶🏿.
@@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580you are pushing a DOM-PASSPORTnarrative . And you cannot prevent south Africans from moving between provinces...and when they demand houses, they demanding from their government...not you...Get over yourself...
@@rekkabcleaningandlaundroma3580 I have no idea what you are referring to, but this is what I'm talking about th-cam.com/video/PPzrd5IjfOE/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
What's wrong with people leaving one province for another in order to better their lives? Fact remains, they are still citizens of that country, regardless of what province they are from. The second we start seeing certain provinces as being so superior that they need to be their own country, that's where we would be failing as a country.
Well basically if people in the Eastern Cape vote for the DA, the DA will.make the Eastern Cape great, and therefore there will be no need for migration in to the land of the Khoi San and Coloureds.
Accidentally played whilst working and "The Blend" part me pay more attention🤣🤣
😂😂😂
According to Dr Corne Mulder who was on you channel 2 weeks ago. 70% of the people in support of the Cape independence are DA voters. That is why the have "Cape Exit" in their campaign. their strategy is to get that vote. I agree the DA might loose Cape and Cape independence is an absurd concept.
Evil with no soul. Western Cape is part of South Africa. When we fought for the evil oppressors during apartheid, we were fighting for the liberation of our country, South Africa, Western Cape included. We cannot make that mistake. let them dream since they're entitled to it. we spread da faya ayeye.
Afrikaner's always said they were forced to speak English and under false presence till saying not racist
Daily notifications are ON. Thanks Bafo🎉
You're the best!
Sizee you've fully Ethered those Capexit fools, you really went hard on this one. Ayeye
I thought we were "Stronger Together" what's happening now ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Those with much to atone for continue to snub the hand of reconciliation that has been extended to them unmerited. What they fail to understand those with plenty, have much to lose when that hand is withdrawn.
Haai Sizwe 😂🤣😂 "the blend". I love the way you say "blend". I'm crying 🤣😂🤣😂. I enjoy the podcast and really enjoy the humour you put into your episodes from time to time 😂🤣😂🤣
😂😂😂😂 Spicy!🌶️🌶️🌶️🔥🔥
lol I loved and had a good laugh at this analysis Abuti. But I’m judging you for not telling Dr Leo Mulder the same thing 😅😅
Please get Darren Campher as a guest once in a while to share these kind of entertaining yet thought-out analysis
Is this applicable for Orania as well?
Its not at all invalid to seek independence against a regime with a different ideological viewpoint and economical situation. Slovenia did it for example
Umhlaba ka XHOSA uqala eBizana uyoma nge Kapa
Baxelele mntase! Ikoloni yonke yeyethu asiyindawo
Hayi mbhem, uqala enye ngoku wena
you lost the war and only have land by the grace of the occupiers
it just pure comedy.
Totally 🤷🏽♂️
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
This is great stuff. I was doing my best to ignore those people but you know Twitter people. The "Blend" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same was said about Namibia and lesotho
12:27 I was reminded of my childhood life.
Haha, "the blend" lol - my quesrion is, can they be arrested for something along the lines of treason, or similar?
Hi Muzi, how does The Ingonyama Trust work in context of countries laws?
Also the Orania situation. It seems they didn't get the memo?
Also would like to here your thoughts on Federalism?
Orania is Sectional Title, Ingonyama is a Trust, they are recognised by the government. Independence is basically treasonous
Ingonyama trust falls under the law that goverbns all trusts. Orania on paper is not a country but an Afrikaner heritage site.
Ingonyama Trust is open to all South Africans, infact there are many no Zulu and non black people that are residents of Ingonyama Trust, its is subject to Municipal Systems Act and all other laws of South Africa. For me this conversation has raised many question about Orania, it seems like they are also misinterpreting self determination.
Don’t worry about the Ngonyama trust!,we the Zulu will deal with that!,we will call you should we need any help!!,the new government after the elections in a couple of weeks will fix the Orania problem before June!! And there will be No Federation!,let that sink in!!
If western cape wants to brake away from South Africa, for seperatisim within the confines of its borders,that means all mines,stores farming land and resources owned by these minority groups of privileged ,must be let go to the hands of South Aricans,and let them build their wealth from within the boarders of Western. Cape.
Couldn't agree more, they should forfeit everything they own and be wholly based in the western cape and their wealth too.
I agree with you up until the point where we let them establish an Israel in Africa...the West still has a lot of military power to deploy.
My thoughts exactly
My opinion is that they will succeed and the remainder of South Africa will continue to deteriorate
@@johannel9982 is the opinion informed by emotions?
opposed to this silly movement. however, curious to hear your thoughts on more governmental power given to local & provincial governments? The history of centralisation of power in South Africa (to Pretoria) goes back to Jan Smuts who didn't trust local governments to manage themselves & this is a legacy that the ANC has perpetuated, which to me is very neo-colonial + elitest. Shouldn't grass roots communities - through direct democracy - have a bigger say over their own safety, education, healthcare, housing etc. ?
The question of provincial powers-or even the existence of provinces-is a fair debate but WC Independence is just silly.
@@_SMWXhow tf is the existence of provinces up for debate? 😂
Ey’Baba section 1:number 1”south Africa is a Republic “not a federation!!!read our constitution!!,its not that complicated!
@@lungamasuku6872 i believe budgets should be allocated to municipalities for education, housing, police, etc.
why do you want these neo-colonisers in pretoria to control our lives? what do these elites know about our struggle?
The bleeeeeeend 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
The world needs more secessions. Self governance is the goal.
as stupid as th idea is... if enough ppl believe & support this separatism...
it could happen!
“The blend”
Sizwe, it was hilarious to watch you laugh 😂 . Ayeye!
They also laughed at Orania , these boers are really doing fantastic.Most people are jealous of them.They are independent and everyone works. They pay tax to the ANC government
Orania will implode eventually. Greed and self-interest, if not unnatural selection, will take it's toll. Isolation is sickness.
I'm not from the Cape. But I'm sure that Ad Hominem is not a good argument against Democracy and applies irrespective of geography and/or our presuppositions.
😂😂😂😂😂 It's the "blend" for me