@G Ren Finally I find someone who agrees Black Panther is a good movie, everyone thinks it's overrated and while yeah it kinda is, it's not a bad Marvel movie, it's actually pretty great.
G Ren The same “professional critics” who made Boss Baby the best animated feature, I presume. Killmonger is not a great villain because his motivations make no sense and even contradicts with one another. - At first it would seem that he is angry because of his father’s death, but no, when he meets his farther, he’s like “everybody dies, eventually”, which means this is not about his father but something greater. - We later finds out that it is about killing the white in power, liberating the black people, and since the movie doesn’t show how the black are being oppressed, meaning that this will be based on the viewer’s knowledge of the world, but the white in power nowadays are actually doing their best to give black people the rights they deserve. - Killmonger also stabs Zuri the moment he finds out that’s uncle James, so it is not about liberating people, it’s just that he hates those who oppose his farther’s point of view, but when T’challa reveals himself to be alive and the Dora turned on him, he was like “what’s up!”, all smiling and stuff, turns out he simply enjoys bullying random people, black or white if they do not obey him, in fact, he’s been like this since the beginning. - So he’s not angry and he does not act like someone who is fighting for a noble cause, that means he’s a cocky bastard who wants to rule the world, and how can you call that a great villain? Do correct me if I’m wrong, personal opinions matter, just because someone’s not a professional doesn’t mean they’re not allowed to give their thoughts, you were basically saying that normal people have no rights to complain about the products they bought.
Tier 1: Loki, Bucky, Hydra, Zemo Tier 2: Hela, Vulture, Ego, Ultron, Dormammu Lowest tier: iron man 2 villian, iron man 3 villian, Thanos(not even joking cz endgame made him cliche cz he wanted to destroy entire universe)
I don't really get the big hype about the villain, his evil plan was kinda cartoony and corny. Awesome design but that's pretty much it. No hate just saying
@@thatemogamer2457 the final fights CGI was so bad because Weta digital the people working on it only had a few weeks to work on it because of reshoots.
Actually, they did mention Zuri again after he died. "Imma make sure we're even. Imma track down anyone who would even think about bein' loyal to you, and imma put they ass in the dirt, right next to Zuri!" - Killmonger
He talks the way he does because he was raised in Oakland. The slang from there is pretty accurate to his character. People think it’s forced and corny but that’s the way they speak
He might have been raised there but he spent most of his time around others, improving his skills throughout the world, peoples speech pattern change heavily as they encounter new people
@@jaysanchez4407 While true, this is not always the case, speaking as someone who has lived in different places and speaks 3 languages. Also even if it was always the case, it wouldn't support the point the video was trying to make
@@chanceofbliss8175 my case is however further established by the fact that this killmonger was an MIT student at age 16 and a special black ops agent, meaning at a very young age he conditioned himself to understand the lingo present in both these scenarios and thrived very well at it
Villains are the most interesting when they stick around and become more layered and in depth over time. Mcu has a bad habit of killing them off after one film.
Not necessarily. Plenty of villains do overstay their welcome and their motives become repetitive and lame. Stryker and Magneto from the X-Men movie saga are the most obvious examples. There is also the case where a popular villain becomes so ubiquitous that other villains are set aside to give the spotlight to said villain. Joker from DC Comics tends to be used in that way.
You have some pretty good points, but I don’t see how that makes Killmonger a *terrible* villain, just a villain who could’ve been explored a lot more.
Actually killmongers dialogue, whike corny, is pretty accurate to how kids in oakland speak. Killmongers from oakland so it makes sense. Also idk his motives...maybe black supremacy?
Zexon Hairi everything about him made sense. People are always reaching, saying that Black Panther wasn't an awesome movie, and that Killmonger was corny. It's a reach, at best. I think it's fake and phony to act like nothing impresses you. People are literally going out of their way just to tell everybody "Black Panther didn't impress me." That means you WERE impressed.
@@Ms9mmBeretta Black panther isnt a bad movie. It isnt the greatest movie ever made either. But it is visually appealing and there are some cool storylines. I just feel like to say "kill monger needs thanos type of dialogue" is a reach. Which isn't true. Untop of that the dynamic between t'chala and killmonger isnt brother rivarly; t'chala never knew killmonger existed. If anythings it a wake up call to the corruption in wakanda and that wake up call was killmongers purpose.
What people misunderstood in this movie is the whole malcolm x Martin Luther King comparison. It's misguided. Black panther story is more akin to the tales of the shsolin temple and its ex members, like San fe who went out to help people and pai mei who was corrupt
I am a black guy. I did like the movie but MOST of what u say about Jordan's character is spot on. I really didn't like his acting. His character just seemed like a street punk. Was not sinister, at all.
He is a kid from Oakland.. orphaned and grew up in the streets. How should he talk? Like a Brit? He is not sinister, he is misunderstood 🤦♂️ did we not watch the same movie?
@@whoozyyy mate they didn't make his character arc interesting at all. His father was killed by his uncle, yet he wants to continue that same cycle of killing and tries to turn on all the white people. Plus it would be easy to sympathize more with him if he had some respect for the Wakandan traditions. But he just wants to burn everything. A character like that is not sustainable.
@ dude Killmonger sounded like a scrapped character from Power. I understood his point. Tell me they couldn't write better dialogue for a multi million dollar movie. It's obvious they overlooked quite a few things and leaned on star power and hype to sell their movie. For the record I watched it in the theatre. Didn't feel it was that special then, same now. Some redeeming qualities, but could have been much more
The characters needed similar motives but opposing methods of achieving their goals, T'challa wanted to see Wakanda help others by giving aid, and Killmonger wanted to help others by killing their oppressers. T'challa should have had some kind of temptation to overcome, a temptation that was on a personal level not just wanting to right the wrongs(while I think that is still good) of his people Meanwhile Killmonger would be raw and indulgent in all of his desires, wanting to and craving the destruction of those around him while at the same time seeming cool, and exploding at certain points as he let his desires consume his character
@@Ok-eg8dg The reason Thanos seemed boring was because he wasn't the focus. Thanos is an evil, egotistical maniac with a God complex, he just has motives to back it up. Similar as to how Hitler had motivation for the Holocaust.
Which is sad. This age doesn’t even care about making good content anymore. Just as long as they abuse a certain aspect or whatever and if they do it successfully and make their money then again who cares about a good story. They got their money
@@f.fadairo4249 Snyder is one director making good content for the modern age but he doesn't over simplify his movies and loves dark tones so he ends up being misjudged.
The only other line I thought was good was ‘The world took everything from me’ he actually had emotion behind but then ruins it with his next line. Also it doesn’t really make sense but still
I swear y’all white ppl are ignorant af if y’all don’t know what he said then don’t say shit. Y’all just mad Bcs this is a super hero movie against you(white nighaz)
summary : the movie wasn’t bad but crucially overrated ... but IMO I loved the movie but the final fight scene was bad, killmonger had major untapped potential and wasted potential ... I loved his character but I agree he had wasted potential
the movie would have been better if he was the main villain because he was well written and had more character depth. two villains is a bad idea unless you make two movies or something.
yeah its overrated but its not a bad movie. I still think Killmonger was the best part of the movie. I loved his performance. He's relatable in a way. Most superhero villians have long and slow speeches (which can be boring at times) but killmonger doesn't do that. They tried something different and it worked.
Techツ it’s a very average Mcu film. It followed the same structure as most of the films, while the cultural aspect was nice the visual effects were incredibly lackluster. The villain was another “same powers as the hero” trope in the mcu, and black panther himself was very very meh unlike his appearance in Civil War which was phenomenal
@@brandonvillanueva1545 It was above average in my opinion due to the cool visuals, the costumes, the soundtrack, and the villain of course. It was different and I liked it. 3.75/5 in my book
Techツ I liked Killmonger too, I thought it was a dumb move to kill him off and give him a suit. The suit negates his premise from the comics. Micheal B did a good job. I also liked Mishonne, I mean Akoyé
The contrasting hero-villain dichotomy that gets this tension right was Bruce Wayne and Ra's al Ghul from Batman Begins. They were virtually friends, and some of the film's most satisfying scenes came from their conversations. Both of their motivations made complete sense, allowing ample opportunity for compare/contrast, and Neeson's understated performance was immaculate. He spoke quietly when he wanted to, and f'ed you up when he didn't. That seems like what this movie was going for and failed at.
@@tessmiller7943 Shuri and Zuri are two different people. Shuri is T'Challa's sister while Zuri is the guy Killmonger killed during the throne battle between him and T' Challa (the guy in the purple robe)
Thank you, they killed Klaw and killmonger, just burned through 2 big villains that could be used for future sequels. Like Micheal, I feel they told Chadwick to underact also, he's a great actor no doubt but I feel like they held him and his character way back. Why? Cause Disney.
Finally a creator who isn’t completely won over by the character and over obsessed with the actor and never see any flaws with his character. Don’t get me wrong he’s pretty great but mostly all the popular reviews praised him and the motivations he had, his goals, the overall narrative, etc.
@@Theeinsom it's hard to take you serious when: 1. You don't even provide any argument. 2. You're unwilling to have a civilized conversation with someone despite them disagreeing with you. 3. You resort to childish insults rather than being mature and respectfully argue ur point. 4. You have an Avengers: Endgame pfp.
@@Theeinsom oh sorry, almighty demi-god. I apologise for not being able to understand a statement/accusation that has no evidence/explanation to it like practically every other human being on this planet...
My biggest problem is they expect your own personal wokeness to create his compelling backstory and fill in his ideological gaps that the creators left out. That’s why so many idiots were saying he was the hero of the story. Me not being woke in the slightest, I was disappointed he didn’t live up to the hype.
@@arc4859 i actually don't know what you're talking about. Slavery/Jim Crowe/Lynching/Redlining etc is recent history. There are people alive today who experienced these things. And in the face of this, the conflict of the film is dialogue between a representation of the diaspora, and a representation of the mother country, not with white people. Besides which, if they actually did rehash and showed say police brutality, or jim crowe or something else, wouldn't you argue wokeness too? So what are you saying, that, in the marvel universe which-unlike the DC universe-is supposed to reflect the real world, that actual historical events shouldn't even be mentioned because they make you uncomfortable? Again the dialogue was between Black people and Africans. Whatever assertion of wokeness is coming from your own conscience.
I didn't connect with him at all. Sure he was upset about his father's death and he did make good points about African Americans, but he didn't really care about his people or his rich culture. He killed his girlfriend like nothing. He only wanted to use Wakandan weapons to take control of the world, spread his hatred and bitterness. That gets revealed before his demise. So many people were woke, but forgot that he was a mass murderer that likely took away the same things that he lost all around the world, but black lives matter more.
____ Dayal Yeah back 60 years ago when America passed the civil rights act. Killmonger never would’ve experienced systematic racism. Multiple times, Killmonger talked about killing the “oppressors”. That only means one thing in present society. This was about white people. It’d have been nice to see why he hates white people. We’re only shown why he hates Wakanda, and even then, he doesn’t hate them for killing his dad. He only hates them for not helping “oppressed” people, which is never shown. Like I said, you need your own wokeness to fill in the gaps.
The point of the movie and everything in it went completely over your head. 1. MBJ didnt underact, he was suppose to act emotionless. Because Killmonger is suppose to be a ruthless character devoid of any emotion except anger. That's the reason why it comes across like he is. This was suppose to be expanded upon by showing you how many people he was willing to kill just to get to Wakanda, including his own "girlfriend." 2. Killmonger DID play a bigger role into the MCU. His message and motivation made T'Challa realize that the past that his father created was a corrupt one and it plays a big role into the development of T'Challas character. Which leads to T'Challa trying to right a wrong by opening up his countries resources to the rest of the world. And aids the Avengers multiple times during the fight with Thanos and his army. 3. His motivation was driven by anger. He's suppose to act irrational out of rage. Him doing the exact opposite of what you're saying is rational is the entire point. Killmonger believes he should he should have been the King of Wakanda, or atleast apart of it. And also believes he suffered because he wasnt apart of it. So therefore wants to get back at the world by making them suffer the same way he did. These concepts arent that hard to understand. You basically have to look at the irrational view rationally, because if you try to make sense of it based on an unbiased opinion, you lose sight of why someone would look at something biasedly. It seems as tho you've looked at this movie too critically and missed all the points that the movie was even trying to make.
Thats what hes supposed to be. When people say they like him, its the same reason people like loki. Loki has killed billions. But everyone cheers when hes on screen
Weasel Batches is right. Eric Killmonger shouldn’t have died. He should have been in more movies so he could have room for growth. He could have gotten better
@@kanesn0633 he wanted to kill the oppressors who are basically all White People or colonisers as he refers to them Hitler also claimed Germans were marginalised by Jews
The thing is Killmonger is suppose to reflect a person who has grown up in the streets of America, his acting fits that character perfectly, the way he’s so chill and he talks so confidently without that much emotion behind it is the way people talk, no offence to the guy who made this video but he probably dosent have a friend like this wether their black or any other colour the streets are the streets, not every single super hero movie has to have some epic monologue that makes it completely unrealistic
Whilst I respect your opinion, I disagree with this some points made on this video. I’ll respond to each points why. The acting - I personally the acting is a subjective choice of whether you like it or not. Some people enjoy that style of acting whereas some don’t which is fine. Relationship - This point I do somewhat agree with you because I do believe Killmonger should’ve lived. However it remains to be seen what happens in the sequels. But one thing I feel you ignore is T’Challa’s arc in the movie. He begins the movie being thrusted the role of King which he does not feel he’s ready for. And he’s someone who views his father as the perfect king and he believes he can never reach the levels of his father. However Killmonger is a representation of the flaws of T’Challa’s father. Killmonger is proof to T’Challa that perhaps his father is not this perfect king and the fact that Killmonger is essentially created by T’Challa’s father is what changes T’Challa. The movie is essentially T’Challa challenging Wakanda’s past because Wakanda’s past caused Killmonger to be the way he is. And it allowed T’Challa to see that his father was only human and made mistakes, so T’Challa will learn from them. Motivations - I feel you miss out that Killmonger experienced the death of his father at a very young age. It’s mentioned in the movie I believe that he’s had this anger within him ever since his father died. And you have to imagine, someone at a very young age who sees his father death won’t be able to comprehend what just happened. It’s not like at that moment he was thinking “oh this is Wakanda’s fault”. He would be blaming the world and the universe for taking his father away from him. And because he’s been instilled with this anger since such a young age, his mindset has not changed so in a way, he is still that same young boy. And in terms of what he wants to do with Wakanda, once again it’s mentioned in the movie that Killmonger is part of the military, so he’s got that mindset of conquering. And you can imagine someone at a very young age is angry and is growing up at a time where racial tensions is high. I understand that perhaps that you would want to see Killmongers childhood but from what we know about the racial tensions in America, it’s sometimes better to make the assumption I feel. And you forget, this motivation was the exact same motivation his father had. So he wants to carry that out as well.
what the fuck you talking about the only thing similar between those is that they started bad and turned good. Thats legit it. You really be doing Zuko a dis credit to compare him to Loki. Everything about those characters is different except they turned good.
Killmonger: my ancestors slave because white people. Mate, your father is a descendants of the wakandan/wakandian? King. One of the most richest person ever, since he controls all the vibranium that's insanely expensive. You being poor isn't a result if racism and segregation in the 60's, it's because the king if wakanda killed your father and abandon you and your ancestors (well on his father side, we don't know who his mother is) was never a slave. They were wakandan royalty. The richest royal family that is still the head of state of the richest nation. Heck, I don't get why any of them act like they've been colonized and hate those "colonizers" Since fron what we've learned, wakanda was always a technologically advance nation that went into hiding.
@@kinman3051 Did you seriously called my argument weak and followed with "we don't see his mother in the movie"?! 😂 Did you read the entire thread or are half asleep?
Erik never said his ancestors were slaves. Him and his father saw the results of Christianity/ Slavery which was more like a terroristic Holocaust and lived/ saw the results of it and wanted to change it. Then the writers try and pretend Erik's the villain
And I genuinely respect the fact that you came at everything without race except when it was directly associated. I can tell you had no ill will behind this shit. It looks like shock content at first so I can in expecting to hear some bullshit but you really impressed me frfr. Good shit bro
2018 started with “Black Panther” 2019 started with “Captain Marvel” And yet so many people kept shouting how these movies are doing something never done before. I watched both and thought they were super predictable and boring af. The political messages were so heavily forced and over done. I honestly think people give Marvel films way too much appreciation than they should get
There isn't a political message in Captain Marvel. Just admit it, you don't like the fact that they made a woman a powerful superhero. Disney isn't pushing some conspiracy to destroy white men. They add diverse characters because they know it brings more people to theaters. Check the fucking box office numbers.
@@diegoherrera9219 its better than captin marvel, avengers age of ultron, thor, thor the dark world, incredible hulk, and much more and i think like 99.9999999999999999% of ppl can agree
Would have been nice to see a Goku/Vegeta kind of relationship between the two. They argue constantly but don't hesitate to kick ass when it's time to fight.
For me there's one thing that pissed me off about the movie. If I had to pick the most beautiful continent on earth, it'd probably Africa, just ridiculous natural beauty. And yet usually its only seen on film in documentaries, or some crime movie where you really don't see the nice stuff. Literally the only famous movie set in Africa most people of our generation have actually seen is the lion King... So they had an opportunity to finally showcase the beauty of Africa in a high budget blockbuster.... And they film it in a bunch of Hollywood studios with greenscreen🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. To me that's what showed the higher ups couldn't care less about the movie, it was just tokenism, no real passion(from certain groups. I'm sure others poured their hearts into it)
@@arlexen2258 well no shit. Middle Earth isn't a real place either, but look how much better The Lord of the Rings movies look compared to Black Panther despite being almost 2 decades older and each one on half the budget of BP. Coz they filmed in beautiful New Zealand, then enhanced it with CGI. Why couldn't they combine practical effects/real places with CGI for BP? How much more visceral would the waterfall fight have been on a real cliff/waterfall? Imagine how beautiful killmonger's death would've been with a real African sunset. Filmakers have managed for years, with either practical effects or a combination of practical and CGI. The only reason it was 100% CGI was maximising profit and a lack of passion from the higher ups. Period.
He had potential but he was wasted. Lol they even said that killmonger and black panther would have a magneto/professor x conflict but he came out as a simple cartoon villain
Alpha Savage8 right, when was the last simple cartoon you heard talk about how a king of a nation must face the horrors of his people’s dark pasts because they let an entire race be kidnapped by foreigners to another land where they were whipped, beaten, raped, killed, sold for body parts, etc, JUST because they wanted to keep their precious alien space metal safe?
@@JakeTylenol the motive before killmonger was great. Wakanda was flawed, due to their protection for power and turning their back to others because of said protection and Killmonger wanted to change that. PROBLEM was that the movie treated his motive as a cartoon villian. Instead of attempting to change Wakanda from inside and making inner conflict with T'Challa, he goes full "world took everything so revenge time".
Jephener Ben no, he didn’t. He wanted to take over wakanda and use its weapons to defend their people, because news flash, racism still exists. T’challa came to agree with the idea that wakanda should use their technology to help the WORLD as a whole, not just minorities. He fundamentally changed T’challa’s world view.
I don’t know what wack means but I’m guessing it’s positive so I presume you have 1 or 2 brain cells. I have seen better cgi in a ps2 game than that final fight
The part where they were falling and fighting at the same time was just a copy of "Spider-Man vs venom " scene in SPIDER-MAN 3 like I know Spider-Man 3 is a masterpiece IMO but why would they copy it
I mean... do you remember the scene with N'Jobu (Killmonger's dad) talking about helping black people all over the world with Wakanda technology...? Doesn't it seem like that would be Killmonger's motivation as well after he found out the truth about his father's death (We can assume he finds out because of his extensive knowledge of Wakanda in the museum scene) ? Killmonger probably would've liked to kill his father's murderer too but took pleasure in taking revenge against the son (T'Challa). He wouldn't get revenge on Wakanda itself, Killmonger would use Wakanda and it's resources to fullfil his father's dream of helping oppressed black people. That's the motivation the way I saw it, it seems obvious to me if you pay attention to the movie lol.
Ur 100% right about that. Killmonger didnt just want revenge for his father's death but to also accomplish what his father was trying to do which is help black people all over the world fight oppression.
@@getoffmyacc9416 Yeah you could argue that. I was talking about the Motivation for his plan, not the actual plan itself. I am pointing out that this TH-camr cant see the well constructed Motivation laid out to inspire Killmonger to act the way he does. I would argue that the script for when Killmonger was executing his plan did not make a lot of sense when broke out the guy with the bionic arm and not killed him immediately after he broke him out. But I think everything after and before that made sense.
Kill monger in the movie wanted black people on top. In the comics it’s worse he wanted to kill all non Africans and make POC the only thing around. He is a black supremest.
@@tsbredlight9481 I suppose that's what would have happened eventually if Killmonger succeeded. Just like how if Hydra took over it would eventually be like Nazi's trying to put White Aryan people on top. However, because these movies are made for a very large public audience, none of these comic book movies ever will ever go beyond making only subtle references to real world hate groups/organizations. That's why Killmonger mostly focuses on the issues of Black inequality and using Wakanda's resources to help black people. That's why Hydra doesn't outright say "we need to keep white people on top" and instead focuses on taking over society from the shadows and gain control of the entire planet. I personally like how movies and art will try to take influences from history and real world problems and create something completely different that makes me care or re-evaulate how I feel/think about different topics. What kind of black villain would help you empathize with his motivations but disagree with his methods? How do you make an entertaining action movie that also helps you empathize with Black people and the unique problems they face in society? Would you prefer these kinds of stories not to be told at all or do you want people to try and hope they succeed?
I think he just upset that motives that Killmonger had for the movie isn’t the same motivations he had for the comics because the way he suggested Killmonger’s motivations and character should been written was the same way he was in the comics.
I personally find it weird how they took Killmonger, who’s usually a poacher in the comics, and mixed some of his aspects with that of White Wolf, who’s one of my favorite antagonists. I think the movie would’ve been better if they just went with White Wolf.
Most black people didn't look at the movie in a critical way at all. they were just happy to see a movie like this with the almost all black class about an african superhero while the movie is based in africa. and as a black guy i agree. i was happy to see it. but now looking at the movie years later i agree with lots of the criticism. I just wish more black people would criticise the movie the way others do. I like how u look a movie on a deeper level then just the surface level. keep it up.
His motivation worked because he lived in a shity place well knowing that paradise is out there and they rejected him his family killed his father and prospered whie other people that look like them are suffering around the world and he became twisted becoming all the things he hated Lastly he's from Oakland that's how people talk from where he's from he wasn't going to go on a soliloquy like the joker the movie was a mixed bag but killlmonger was the highlight your tripping
yeah, but why does he hate white people? shouldn't he hate Wanadka because their the ones who caused his suffering, and stood back while Africa was being colonized?
cerberus he doesn’t necessarily, or only, hate white people. He hates those who oppress and those who stand back and watch. He grew up in America at around the 70s and 80s, highlight years for injustice among black people. And at the same time he knew Wakanda was out there but Wakanda didn’t help those who looked like them or were even in need in the first place.
DJ Flame wait isn’t is goal to enslave the white race, so if he against oppression, why is his goal to oppress white people. Why does he hate white people so much? What event cause him to hate the white race, and it can’t be his father death because white people had nothing to do with it. Also the highlight for racial injustice were the 50s and early to mid 60s so discrimination probably isn’t the reason, and even if it was the movie never tells us this.
The fact the writers focused exclusively on Black communities and colonialism when Wakanda is literally surrounded by various nations that have people that need Wakanda more than any black community in the west ever will told me *everything* about them and their worldview. It’s exactly why I absolutely loath Killmonger. He’s not revolutionary fighting for his people or symbol of the black struggle; he’s petty, selfish, vindictive, genocidal psychopath that wants to watch the world burn for perceived sights against him that aren’t actually there.
As black people we’re pressured into having a hive mind with the rest of our race. We have to think the same in terms of race, politics and white people. You’re not the only one, but because our race low key still hates white people, we HAVE to like a movie that bashes them. IMO, Killmonger and Klaw were the backbone of this movie because of how boring it was. However every origin movie is meh at best with the exception of Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy.
@@derrickjones434 if black people think like a hive mind then that defeats the purpose of equality. I really dont think why its such a thing but people blame others because of their skin, supposedly because each and every person of that skin color has the same mindset. And it can be seen with every race, not just blacks and whites.
Mario Galan I can see that. I was just saying that there’s a set of things that we all “have” to agree on and if we don’t the general attitude is “nigga you black” . I’ve noticed that my white friends don’t really have a sense of racial unity like we do and if two different white people have a disagreement especially with politics or whatever, their common ethnicity isn’t brought up at all.
@@d3monking164 if you go to the scene where killmonger first meets t'challa and the scene where he sits on the throne he was mentioning how black people all over the world is oppressed and dont have the right tools to fight back and get out of oppression. And he didnt understand why wakanda didnt bother helping and stayed to themselves being they are also black folks. So killmonger wanted to send vibranium weapons to colord people all over the world to fight those in power and get out of oppression. Hence his one quote the world's gonna start over and this time we're on top.
@@elonmusket5676 so the definition of a white supremacist is someone who feels their race is superior to other races. With killmongers motivation he feels black folks with the wakandan technology are more superior and will take over killing all those in power who arent black and they will be taking over. Think of it like if the time of segregation was reversed. Blacks have more rights and all and whites dont. Killmonger said himself they'd kill children too. And his quote "the world's gonna start over and this time we're on top" meaning black folks will be on top in the world.
He cared about this character a lot because it was a gateway to a new audience...kids and teens. Also the paycheck was probably pretty thicc since Disney owns the movie.
This movie had a ton of flaws like the cgi but killmonger was really good don’t scream at me people who hate this movie. His motivation weren’t white people bad, it was wakanda had all of there good stuff and wouldn’t give to anyone else, so killmonger wanted to go and take those weapons to the rest of the world
His motivations were that white people were evil and he has a point. They ruined Africa and oppressed people of color for centuries while destabilizing black communities and the infrastructure of economies within three communities. His rage is justified cause he was right. Violence was the only way to get justice
The throne room scene made it pretty clear he wanted to arm people around the world to have them rise up and kill people in power... and their children. He wants to send the world into chaos, because he's mad for some reason.
backinBlack likeafuneral and throughout history, which race has conquered, colonized and subjugated the world to their rule and will more than white people. Don’t say genghis khan cause his conquest wasn’t racially based
While I think you made some good points I disagree with the motivation segment of your video Killmonger is a black kid who grew up in America with a now single mother, despite rather you believe it or not a lot of underprivileged black children are jealous and reasonably (sometimes) place the blame on things like cultural white supremacy. While we don’t see the upbringing of killmonger we are left to assume he knows the effects of this. (This is one of your good points we should’ve got more about his upbringing). Couple this with the fact that his father was trying to do what killmonger attempts to do later in the movie (probably without all the murder). Or did we forget that his father was the one who helped Klaue steal from Wakanda. While his father was making his case to the king he talked about how the black community had to turn to drugs, was unemployed, etc. Killmonger probably carried these ideas with him even if he was actually privileged. Continuing past that your part about destroying Wakanda is also valid. Keep in mind though that even though his father betrayed them he never hated them. He still spoke nicely of them even when killmonger visited him in the dream state. It’s clear though that killmonger was not interested in the people of Wakanda long term. He got rid of herb thus stopping the continuation of tradition after his reign, and literally choked one of the girls when they didn’t want to. Lastly, destroying Wakanda goes against his father’s dream. Once he “killed” tchalla and Zuri his personal mission was complete. Otherwise Shuri and the queen would probably also be dead. Imagine if Trump went and killed a dictator in another country. If someone later cane to America and killed some people who weren’t involved in the decision and ruined the economy, wouldn’t you consider that unreasonable? Especially if some of those people were the same age or younger when the killing occurred? Minor point I think the acting is ok, consider the fact that this man killed his girlfriend for becoming a hostage (without hesitation) and idk how much calmer and arrogant you could be. In all I do agree that the movie does seemed rushed though. As you said all the characters should’ve built more of a relationship. We should’ve seen more of both of them as acting kings, etc
People are getting mad and using race as an argument, like stfu. Not everything is because someone is a race, like when I said “why the long nose” to the Jewish kid, people thought it was because he was Jewish, they’re right but he was also sad.
dunno.. ill be honest, killmonger sounding chill all the time adds to the character imo. i find it interesting but a little odd how he can basically commit murder and look like he had just left school on a long day and wanted to take a nap, hes enjoying what he does in a different way. and thats why when he does have outbursts like when he shouted in wakandan his name and his sheer anger against t'challas dad, its all the more satisfying. wouldnt feel as special if he was yelling the same shit the whole movie
Weasel batches: "He's not intimidating...u expect me to believe someone who enjoys killing and gaining power talks like this?" (Goes to Oakland, Calif) "Ohhhh..."
This is going to come across as rude but I honestly don't mean it in that way. I think you should go out and talk to more black people about the idea behind Killmonger. All of his motivations are pretty accurate and spot on when it comes to how young black Americans feel about the world sometimes (e.g. burn it all and start over). The acting was perfect in that, in the world, as a black man you have to act calm and collective despite the rage you may have on the inside of hundreds of years of discrimination that led to the disenfranchisement of your people. I respect some of the things you said but overall you're dislike of the character is more of an issue of you not understanding the scope of black culture. Again I know that sounds like a backhand slap but it's honestly not. Big ups to Nujabes I"m a big fan of Samurai Champloo one of the best series ever made
My only problem with killmonger, which stopped him from being a great villain, on par with Thanos, was his actions. His motivation, starting a war, by giving one side access to incredible technology, indiscriminately, would lead to the wholesale death of innocent people, probably from both sides. It makes sense to him, because of the oppression governments have placed upon his people, the world over. Much like Thanos though, he cannot see the insanity of it. Once he wins the war, what then would he do to the people he vocalizes as "oppressors?" Who would he call oppressors? The innocentd, who might be ignorant, but never outright hurt or subjugated anyone, would then be crushed beneath the boot heel he whole cloth resents their ancestors for. If it had been just this, that was his whole driving force, he'd be a villain on the level of Thanos. You can sympathize, because of the history of oppression surrounding black people around the world. He just, views the solution through a narrow lens, that won't let him hear of any other way. What ruins this, all of it. Is his need for personal power. He becomes the black panther, then burns the flowers, because... Plot. In universe, it's so HE is the last one, with all the power. Why? That flies in the face of his motivations! He wants those he perceives as his people, to finally be free... Yet chooses to gatekeep a power that if not the world, but his people, could benefit from?! It takes someone who could have been an IW Thanos level villain, and makes it look like he's a shallow bad guy, utilizing his charismatic cause to grandstand personal power. Really killed it for me.
Didn't Thanos abandon his entire core mission and decide to just kill the whole universe? Thats more selfish than even Killmonger, at least he was sticking to his plan to arm people around the world, his selfishness didn't stop his overall plan, it was just stuff he did on the side. Thanos on the other hand...
Thoron Neto Kilmonger is a traumatized psychopath. Of course his actions are going to come off as contradictory and senseless. Kilmonger wants to liberate black people, but he also hates Wakanda, their traditions, and what they stand for. Also, remember what Ross said. He said Kilmonger was doing what the military trained him to do, inflitrate, dismantle, and destroy. He, much like Ultron, didn't understand the difference between saving and destroying the people.
people can hate on it as long as they want. You're also still defending it. the reason for hate is mostly because people overrate it as this super great movie when it's above average at best.
He’s better than any other marvel villain besides Thanos and Loki. Better personality, Dialogue, (Oakland Slang) and still a motive that most audiences understood. He was a step in the right direction.
8:15 “We don’t even see why this motivation was created” ...It was literally his fathers mission and the reason why his father betrayed Wakanda and got killed by T’Challa’s father. Not only did racism impact his life in America, but fighting it was his father’s dying mission. I haven’t seen the movie since 2018 and I still remember them showing that lol
@@warfare1101 in what ways was his motives different? They literally both wanted to liberate oppressed peoples with the resources Wakanda has. Only difference in motive is Killmonger avenging his death too
I feel like he would've just taken revenge for his father, not take his father's mission on him. Cause it seemed like his father kept his mission a secret from his son. And well if you're a kid you most likely go to the police when your parent is dead. So whatever his father wrote down about his mission he probably never saw it. So basically no, he didn't have a good reason for his taking his fathers mission because he wouldn't know of it.
I wouldn’t say terrible, he did well, especially with the writing Disney’s Marvel gave him, bc IMO a lot of the MCU villains are underwhelming besides like Thanos. Overhyped, yeah.
I’m black and I liked the movie, it was pretty good but people were over exaggerating hard asf over this movie. They act like this is the best movie, it’s good but it’s def overrated
@@tantris2876 İt was. "Killing off" the main character early is such a trope. His character has no faults - no falter - just plain plot armor and plot convenience.
@@vhsninjaccoon7705 Killmonger was a horrible villain, you realize he was willing to kill children, his own "brothers and sisters" just to get to Wakanda so then he could give resources to those same brothers and sisters to start a global war against the oppressors and their children. There's literally no redeeming quality in Killmonger, his father died because he was selling Wakandan technology illegally and that's basically how Eric died trying to do. Throughout the movie, he had help from Klaw and the girl before he promptly backstabbed the two by killing the girl who actually liked him and wanted to help. Then he killed Klaw just because he wanted to be the only one to stop the main character. I'd argue that M'baku was a better than Killmonger, seeing as he felt like Wakanda was turning into a crap country due to their technology and growth. He was more intimidating than the villain without having to yell everything he had explain.
The reason you don't understand his response it's because you may not be from the place that he was perceived to grow up in the life that he was said to be given is the life of many people who look like him so we didn't see him as an empty character who should have been displaying more anger a lot of people saw themselves if they were given the opportunities in the power that he had . Killmonger grew up as an impoverished black kid in America , whilst also being part of old warrior race that is still very much so had connection to and also felt abandon ed by that same group of people because of the life he was forced to live after he was left behind. Also his father was killed for doing very similar things to himself so he was more so upset with wakanda for not understanding the life that himself and his father had lived but ultimately upset with the world for oppressing people who look like him !
In all honesty his motivations are a mess, so lets break this down, his father left wakanda and had a baby with an outside woman, and was doing his homeland dirty by selling vibranium, as well as aiding golem, so he grows up with a hate of wakanda, so his goal should be against wakanda, however he decides to go and become its king, which really shouldn't have happened since he missed out on challenge day so tough luck, ANYWAYS once he becomes king he decides they are gonna ship weapons out to people all over the globe so they can take over. They set him up to be the bad guy, as he should be, in the comics he aint a good person just trying to liberate people, back to the movie, he was set up to be a bad guy, the rival to wakanda and the yen to yang, but they decided to push the moral/preach the idealism and made a 90 degree turn from bad guy to just a dude trying to change the world, and in the end he spouted his line, and died. killing off black panther's numero uno baddie, like he was the top dog besides golem, but he died from killmonger, killing two enemies with one crap covered stone. TLDR Killmonger has motives but doesnt follow through on those motives, he does other things while still using his real motives as an excuse for an unrelated moralistic goal, plus he killed Klaue so.....
@@SteampunkCreeper alot of the film clearly went straight over your head, and this "breakdown" makes absolutely no sense. Killmonger was left in America, where he experienced oppression. He felt that wakanda left black people behind while living in royalty but still leaving blacks in America to struggle. It was due to these experiences in America that lead killmonger to become radicalized. The whole reason killmonger wanted to become king in the first place, was so he could do what he thought wakanda wasn't doing, and help the blacks he felt that were struggling in America. He was just so radicalized, that while his intentions may have come from a good place, the actions he set forth to get there weren't good. There was no "90 degree turn" on his character at all, he's consistent the entire film. Killmongers main objective the entire film was to become king and liberate blacks. I think the main reason alot of people don't like black panther, is becuase they don't grasp the many deeper messages and ideas in the film. Killmonger is an amazingly written character, and an almost perfect villian (despite Micheal B Jordans performance being questionable at some times).
@@SteampunkCreeper also he never really wanted to work with Klaue, and actually saw him as an enemy, like an opressor of his people. His whole reason for working with Klaue was to use him to get to Wakanda.
I wish people would stop acting like the X-Men movies don't exist. Magneto is clearly the BEST Marvel villain put on film... for every reason that they say Killmonger and Thanos are great villains. And personally, I think the Sentinel X is the most menacing Marvel villain put on film. BUT those movies don't count right? Fuck great craftsmanship right?
@@circusactsandparades1081 INACCURATE?? Like the race of Heimdall and Valkyrie? Thanos's motivations?? Zemo and his motivations? STFU with that shit, you Disney / Marvel shill
Luke M yeah but those changes were made for the better marvel universe people liked thanos in infinity war because he wasn’t a one dimensional villain like he was in the comics and why do like you get mad, calm down
X-men had some decent movies. Some people in this thread are stupid with their arguments but X-men movies are more accurate than MCU movies. And Magneto is a great villain because his motivations and ideals were ripped directly from the comics.
Black panthers story was: BP “My father died” KM “My father died too” BP “I deserve to be king” KM “Me too” KM “Let’s fight” BP “Ok” KM “I win” BP “No I wanna win” BP “Ha you lost” (The end)
You made some excellent points I never considered. I still enjoyed Killmonger and thought he was one of the better villains. But you made some amazing points that could have made him one of the best characters in the MCU had the director considered the things you said.
Only reason it's so overrated is because of "political correctness" and "inclusion". And to clarify, I liked Black Panther more in Civil War than in this movie.
Terrible is a strong word. On his way of speaking it just is what it is. Even when you spend time around other people you still revert back to the way you originally spoke before. He very likely never adopted the mask of changing his vocabulary because his character doesn’t give a shit about fitting that mold or making people comfortable. He definitely should have been fleshed out more. He never said he hates white people he said is angry with wakanda because they did not help when they were taken or put into ghettos in America when they very well could have. So he’s angry as oppressors(not all white people,just people who uphold that oppression) AND wakanda and his uncle for taking his father. Who had the same beliefs as him because he most likely instilled that in him at a young age. So that’s where those come from. He should have lived I agree.
@@samuelhermosillo4532 there wasnt any political motive back then and it couldnt have limited it. they made that whole in 2017, and cuz black panther is obviously black he is gonna have black ppl around him dunno why thats hard to explain
@@anonymoust2877 you still don’t get it, I wanted to watch an exciting film with action and good story telling. Black panther is one of my favorites and I love him in the latest run of the avengers comic. I was hoping he would be as awesome as he was in civil war. The story was generic the Cgi was shady there were so many plot holes and kill monger had the worst motivations( wHItE peOPlE BaD, BlacK people OpPRessed 😡🤬durr )
@@samuelhermosillo4532 that wasny killmonger's motivation. tchalla realised it was bad to be an ethnostate isolationist so they aided the world. but seriously though he wasnt racist tbh. how can THAT limit the film? the whole film is based off the comics dont think ya get it. then you ppl just wanna push this under narrative that oh black ppl bad. you forgetting a cia agent help stagged the coup against killmonger?
I disagree with everything said in this video. Killmonger is one of the greatest villains in the MCU (and I'm counting the Netflix shows). He's an example of how to write a three dimensional and sympathetic villain properly. And I don't understand how you could criticize Killmonger for having simple and thin motives and than say Ultron is a good villain. Fucker was literally born thinking humans were bad for no discernible reason.
So we agree We empathize with the tragedy surrounding NJadaka. He has no parents, discovers his father murder in his own home, you know from extrapolation that he's lived a life alone in a country that discriminates him for the color and physiology he was born with, most likely he picks his extremism and criminal ways from his parents and the practical circumstances of his upbringing as an orphan, a black person in Oakland. The flaw of his extremism, the fact that he wants to seek retribution against the world, that he still perpetuates violence and discrimination against the community that oppressed him and the fact that he is still willing to extend his vendetta to innocents and people who will disagree with him IS what makes him a great villain. A great villain, a broken child, a sad angry adult lost and alone. He's arrogant and proud because he compensates for how vulnerable he was and has been for so long. Because he won't stand to be oppressed ever again. That's why he kills himself in the end even when T Challa offers him a chance to heal. He dies still in the optic that he will be made to suffer after he's healed. how does that not elicit empathy "A brutal genocidal person that is basically hitler but black" I read someone comment reducing him just to that means that the person saying it admits to not understanding the character. But you did understand why Kilmonger is a great villain, Reccher. Yes multifaceted, more than one dimension.
But I think that Ultron was gifted with a sense of morality and compassion, that's why he resents being alone. So upon learning of the atrocities of humanity and how long humanity lasted for, he came to the logical conclusion rhat humanity was a danger to itself. But being an advanced AI, like Cortana's rampancy in mass effect, or Deviancy in Detroit become human, he felt emotions, he felt emotionally invested in his goal to become humanity's savior by destroying it, mirroring Tony stark the merchant of death, contributing to extending the protector instinct of the US by selling and delivering weapons of mass destruction... "Or the next missile I deliver to you, will come very much faster" The motives of ultron aren't vain or thin, it just requires too much extrapolation and his character is too subtle.
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@G Ren Finally I find someone who agrees Black Panther is a good movie, everyone thinks it's overrated and while yeah it kinda is, it's not a bad Marvel movie, it's actually pretty great.
G Ren The same “professional critics” who made Boss Baby the best animated feature, I presume.
Killmonger is not a great villain because his motivations make no sense and even contradicts with one another.
- At first it would seem that he is angry because of his father’s death, but no, when he meets his farther, he’s like “everybody dies, eventually”, which means this is not about his father but something greater.
- We later finds out that it is about killing the white in power, liberating the black people, and since the movie doesn’t show how the black are being oppressed, meaning that this will be based on the viewer’s knowledge of the world, but the white in power nowadays are actually doing their best to give black people the rights they deserve.
- Killmonger also stabs Zuri the moment he finds out that’s uncle James, so it is not about liberating people, it’s just that he hates those who oppose his farther’s point of view, but when T’challa reveals himself to be alive and the Dora turned on him, he was like “what’s up!”, all smiling and stuff, turns out he simply enjoys bullying random people, black or white if they do not obey him, in fact, he’s been like this since the beginning.
- So he’s not angry and he does not act like someone who is fighting for a noble cause, that means he’s a cocky bastard who wants to rule the world, and how can you call that a great villain?
Do correct me if I’m wrong, personal opinions matter, just because someone’s not a professional doesn’t mean they’re not allowed to give their thoughts, you were basically saying that normal people have no rights to complain about the products they bought.
HypliX' good actually
We need a marvel villains tier list!!
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Kachucho Lol I made one on my Instagram acc
Tier 1: Loki, Bucky, Hydra, Zemo
Tier 2: Hela, Vulture, Ego, Ultron, Dormammu
Lowest tier: iron man 2 villian, iron man 3 villian, Thanos(not even joking cz endgame made him cliche cz he wanted to destroy entire universe)
@@Ok-eg8dg Thanos being Tier 1 just goes to show how great he is.
Not overly popular and he will be remembered long after others
Ammmm only Thanos. Haha. That’s it.
Eh, I feel like this entire movie was overhyped. The only thing that I thoroughly enjoyed was the costume design.
untill it was bad cgi for most of the movie
@@mmhmm6116 Yup 😒
the music was pretty good
Nash it would mainly depend on the concept and execution
@Nash man you are the reason abortion is a thing
T'challa and killmonger could've been the new Thor and Loki. Really pissed they killed him off
People mostly don't die in Marvel lol
Paul Phoenix yes they do almost every single marvel film antagonist is dead
@@thrawn_5015 vulture is alive
@Vale Sauce yikes
I don't really get the big hype about the villain, his evil plan was kinda cartoony and corny. Awesome design but that's pretty much it. No hate just saying
Everyone: Killmonger is the most sympathetic Marvel antagonist in film
Magneto: am I a joke to you?
Black Panther as a whole is overhyped
Harrambou RDJ is overhyped too.
He’s the most arrogant person ever and for some reason people think it’s cool when it’s cringe and unfunny
Paris Edits ...is he really. 😐
A little overhyped maybe...(as I say through gritted teeth😂)
@@harrambou9468 couldn't agree with you more
Paris Edits Shut up bitch
Regardless, I still love Killmonger's Vegeta inspired combat armor. It looks sweet. The prince of all wakandans
Zach Burkey his black panther armour looks shit
Its vegeta inspired? His armor looks like actual shit!
@@jimzimmer2048 I hated the CGI this movie could've had some really cool practical effects had they gone for them
Shmee 112 He’s talking his tactical armor, the one he wore before he stepped into that atrocious black panther leotard..
@@thatemogamer2457 the final fights CGI was so bad because Weta digital the people working on it only had a few weeks to work on it because of reshoots.
Actually, they did mention Zuri again after he died.
"Imma make sure we're even. Imma track down anyone who would even think about bein' loyal to you, and imma put they ass in the dirt, right next to Zuri!" - Killmonger
Yeah, bud should have done his research
Who is zuri
Oh yeah never mind
He talks the way he does because he was raised in Oakland. The slang from there is pretty accurate to his character. People think it’s forced and corny but that’s the way they speak
He might have been raised there but he spent most of his time around others, improving his skills throughout the world, peoples speech pattern change heavily as they encounter new people
@@jaysanchez4407 While true, this is not always the case, speaking as someone who has lived in different places and speaks 3 languages. Also even if it was always the case, it wouldn't support the point the video was trying to make
@@chanceofbliss8175 my case is however further established by the fact that this killmonger was an MIT student at age 16 and a special black ops agent, meaning at a very young age he conditioned himself to understand the lingo present in both these scenarios and thrived very well at it
@@jaysanchez4407 True, but its extremely easy to revert back to ones favoured dialect if it is what they will
A'Zhaun Molett gee then I am not moving to Oakland
Villains are the most interesting when they stick around and become more layered and in depth over time. Mcu has a bad habit of killing them off after one film.
Not necessarily. Plenty of villains do overstay their welcome and their motives become repetitive and lame. Stryker and Magneto from the X-Men movie saga are the most obvious examples. There is also the case where a popular villain becomes so ubiquitous that other villains are set aside to give the spotlight to said villain. Joker from DC Comics tends to be used in that way.
@@iloveutubesince3207 It's a balancing act. But yes it can go that way as well.
@@iloveutubesince3207 excellent point
I just want Ultron back
@@agentboi4794 I wanted an avengers film where they went up against each respected villain for each hero.
tazer face was the most well written character in the mcu
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@@1973Ganesh Lmao you guys still sticking to these old jokes
@@prosexer0624 they are, surprisingly, still ok
Pretty comedic and all over the place, I think Scarlet Witch was the most well written character in the MCU.
@@MarvelJesusLFG probably
You have some pretty good points, but I don’t see how that makes Killmonger a *terrible* villain, just a villain who could’ve been explored a lot more.
Finally someone who gets it
In other words... a terrible poorly written villain ? Lol
@@Guts1022 how is he poorly written he's a heck of a lot better than crap shows from past movies like Ronan and Yellow Jacket.
Fabulous the BOSS uhh, no?
By your definition a 60/100 is a failure because it’s not a 90.
Killmonger was a decent villain, but could’ve been better.
I still wish they didn't kill him of
Actually killmongers dialogue, whike corny, is pretty accurate to how kids in oakland speak. Killmongers from oakland so it makes sense.
Also idk his motives...maybe black supremacy?
Zexon Hairi everything about him made sense. People are always reaching, saying that Black Panther wasn't an awesome movie, and that Killmonger was corny. It's a reach, at best. I think it's fake and phony to act like nothing impresses you. People are literally going out of their way just to tell everybody "Black Panther didn't impress me." That means you WERE impressed.
@@Ms9mmBeretta Black panther isnt a bad movie. It isnt the greatest movie ever made either. But it is visually appealing and there are some cool storylines. I just feel like to say "kill monger needs thanos type of dialogue" is a reach. Which isn't true. Untop of that the dynamic between t'chala and killmonger isnt brother rivarly; t'chala never knew killmonger existed. If anythings it a wake up call to the corruption in wakanda and that wake up call was killmongers purpose.
That's exactly right
What people misunderstood in this movie is the whole malcolm x Martin Luther King comparison. It's misguided. Black panther story is more akin to the tales of the shsolin temple and its ex members, like San fe who went out to help people and pai mei who was corrupt
Zexon Hairi
black payback toward white supremacy, which would make sense , given their treatment on this planet (see Leopold of Belgium)
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If I did that, I think I'd join it on the floor and just die there.
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I am a black guy. I did like the movie but MOST of what u say about Jordan's character is spot on. I really didn't like his acting. His character just seemed like a street punk. Was not sinister, at all.
I likes this movie too, Just everything you Said. And also the fight in the vibranium mines looked awful
He is a kid from Oakland.. orphaned and grew up in the streets. How should he talk? Like a Brit? He is not sinister, he is misunderstood 🤦♂️ did we not watch the same movie?
@@whoozyyy mate they didn't make his character arc interesting at all. His father was killed by his uncle, yet he wants to continue that same cycle of killing and tries to turn on all the white people. Plus it would be easy to sympathize more with him if he had some respect for the Wakandan traditions. But he just wants to burn everything. A character like that is not sustainable.
@@whoozyyy Apparently, you dont know anything about his origin or back ground.
@ dude Killmonger sounded like a scrapped character from Power. I understood his point. Tell me they couldn't write better dialogue for a multi million dollar movie. It's obvious they overlooked quite a few things and leaned on star power and hype to sell their movie. For the record I watched it in the theatre. Didn't feel it was that special then, same now. Some redeeming qualities, but could have been much more
The characters needed similar motives but opposing methods of achieving their goals, T'challa wanted to see Wakanda help others by giving aid, and Killmonger wanted to help others by killing their oppressers.
T'challa should have had some kind of temptation to overcome, a temptation that was on a personal level not just wanting to right the wrongs(while I think that is still good) of his people
Meanwhile Killmonger would be raw and indulgent in all of his desires, wanting to and craving the destruction of those around him while at the same time seeming cool, and exploding at certain points as he let his desires consume his character
Better than ronan, yellowjacket and malekith
EDIT:Holy shit this comment thread is chaos, maybe i should delete this comment.
Eobard Thawne lol who isn’t
CuriousMonkey Bobby Honestly, almost every Marvel villain. Most of them don't even hold any reasons to be villains, which is boring.
@@Ok-eg8dg The reason Thanos seemed boring was because he wasn't the focus. Thanos is an evil, egotistical maniac with a God complex, he just has motives to back it up. Similar as to how Hitler had motivation for the Holocaust.
I'm batman Exactly.
@@Ok-eg8dg Just because it's cliche, dose t make it bad, and I think it was a reasonable choice.
The studio doesn't care about any of that. As long as they made bank.
Which is sad. This age doesn’t even care about making good content anymore. Just as long as they abuse a certain aspect or whatever and if they do it successfully and make their money then again who cares about a good story. They got their money
@@f.fadairo4249 Snyder is one director making good content for the modern age but he doesn't over simplify his movies and loves dark tones so he ends up being misjudged.
Joseph Arinaitwe i see i see. Good to know at least.
The only other line I thought was good was ‘The world took everything from me’ he actually had emotion behind but then ruins it with his next line. Also it doesn’t really make sense but still
I swear y’all white ppl are ignorant af if y’all don’t know what he said then don’t say shit. Y’all just mad Bcs this is a super hero movie against you(white nighaz)
@@christianhernandez8998 well you're a fucking idiot, now leave.
@@christianhernandez8998 no its not dumbass
How did he ruin it when it was always connected with Wakanda?
@@christianhernandez8998 talking like that in text is just cringe
summary : the movie wasn’t bad but crucially overrated ... but IMO I loved the movie but the final fight scene was bad, killmonger had major untapped potential and wasted potential ... I loved his character but I agree he had wasted potential
The cgi fight scene at the end came flashing back when I watched the bloodshot cgi fight. Can cgi cause ptsd?
I thought Claw was the main villain until I watched the movie
I thought the same and then wasted him .like wtf man.
Im so mad they killed him off. He was so much fun
me too.
the movie would have been better if he was the main villain because he was well written and had more character depth. two villains is a bad idea unless you make two movies or something.
Why?, He was BARLEY in the traillers
Meh, I wouldn’t call it terrible, definitely a misused word for it. I think the movie is a bit overrated.
yeah its overrated but its not a bad movie. I still think Killmonger was the best part of the movie. I loved his performance. He's relatable in a way. Most superhero villians have long and slow speeches (which can be boring at times) but killmonger doesn't do that. They tried something different and it worked.
Techツ it’s a very average Mcu film. It followed the same structure as most of the films, while the cultural aspect was nice the visual effects were incredibly lackluster. The villain was another “same powers as the hero” trope in the mcu, and black panther himself was very very meh unlike his appearance in Civil War which was phenomenal
@@brandonvillanueva1545 It was above average in my opinion due to the cool visuals, the costumes, the soundtrack, and the villain of course. It was different and I liked it. 3.75/5 in my book
Techツ I heavily disagree on the visuals, but I’m glad you liked it and I greatly respect your opinion 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Techツ I liked Killmonger too, I thought it was a dumb move to kill him off and give him a suit. The suit negates his premise from the comics. Micheal B did a good job. I also liked Mishonne, I mean Akoyé
The contrasting hero-villain dichotomy that gets this tension right was Bruce Wayne and Ra's al Ghul from Batman Begins. They were virtually friends, and some of the film's most satisfying scenes came from their conversations. Both of their motivations made complete sense, allowing ample opportunity for compare/contrast, and Neeson's understated performance was immaculate. He spoke quietly when he wanted to, and f'ed you up when he didn't. That seems like what this movie was going for and failed at.
TH-cam recommends this when chadwick boseman dies wtf
Maybe yt wants to cancel this guy but that ain't happening
Ong
Chadwick Bose man didn’t make the movie he just stars in it
@@tribalbey1378 WE KNOW!!!!!
But it's not talking about him
6:26 actually Killmonger did mention burying everyone that disagreed with him next to Zuri during the last battle with T'Challa
Tee Saifele why does killmonger say zuri when her name is shuri and like everyone pronounces it shuri
@@tessmiller7943 Nah "Zuri" is the guy played by Forrest Whitaker but he called him "Uncle James" first
@@tessmiller7943 Shuri and Zuri are two different people. Shuri is T'Challa's sister while Zuri is the guy Killmonger killed during the throne battle between him and T' Challa (the guy in the purple robe)
Skai Reyez ohhhhh thank u
Didn't know you were a nujabes fan. MADD RESPECT!
Yeah I fuccs with Nujabes
Thank you, they killed Klaw and killmonger, just burned through 2 big villains that could be used for future sequels. Like Micheal, I feel they told Chadwick to underact also, he's a great actor no doubt but I feel like they held him and his character way back.
Why?
Cause Disney.
I think it would have been cool if they turned it into a Goku and Vegeta type situation.
really did want to hate this video but he gave all good points.
same. if anything, i know hate the movie.
Ariana Suliá I didn’t, the movie was trash ;-;
@Goddamn 47 I think he's one of those people
@knee guh what?
Lil Sloppy lol calm down fam. all I said was that all the points stated in the video were good points. I still love this movie.
Finally a creator who isn’t completely won over by the character and over obsessed with the actor and never see any flaws with his character. Don’t get me wrong he’s pretty great but mostly all the popular reviews praised him and the motivations he had, his goals, the overall narrative, etc.
@@Theeinsom it's hard to take you serious when:
1. You don't even provide any argument.
2. You're unwilling to have a civilized conversation with someone despite them disagreeing with you.
3. You resort to childish insults rather than being mature and respectfully argue ur point.
4. You have an Avengers: Endgame pfp.
Jamal Uddin lmao you lack comprehension skills. What an ape
@@Theeinsom yet again, just like ur initial comment, u don't provide any actual argument... 'You lack comprehension skills' how, pls tell me lol?!
@@Theeinsom oh sorry, almighty demi-god. I apologise for not being able to understand a statement/accusation that has no evidence/explanation to it like practically every other human being on this planet...
Jamal Uddin apology not accepted. Go be a disappointment elsewhere
My biggest problem is they expect your own personal wokeness to create his compelling backstory and fill in his ideological gaps that the creators left out. That’s why so many idiots were saying he was the hero of the story. Me not being woke in the slightest, I was disappointed he didn’t live up to the hype.
gerizzyYMcrew Why do you say that?
gerizzyYMcrew I disagree. What am I deflecting from? Would you prefer I say “leftist political opinions”
@@arc4859 i actually don't know what you're talking about. Slavery/Jim Crowe/Lynching/Redlining etc is recent history. There are people alive today who experienced these things. And in the face of this, the conflict of the film is dialogue between a representation of the diaspora, and a representation of the mother country, not with white people. Besides which, if they actually did rehash and showed say police brutality, or jim crowe or something else, wouldn't you argue wokeness too? So what are you saying, that, in the marvel universe which-unlike the DC universe-is supposed to reflect the real world, that actual historical events shouldn't even be mentioned because they make you uncomfortable? Again the dialogue was between Black people and Africans. Whatever assertion of wokeness is coming from your own conscience.
I didn't connect with him at all. Sure he was upset about his father's death and he did make good points about African Americans, but he didn't really care about his people or his rich culture. He killed his girlfriend like nothing. He only wanted to use Wakandan weapons to take control of the world, spread his hatred and bitterness. That gets revealed before his demise. So many people were woke, but forgot that he was a mass murderer that likely took away the same things that he lost all around the world, but black lives matter more.
____ Dayal Yeah back 60 years ago when America passed the civil rights act. Killmonger never would’ve experienced systematic racism.
Multiple times, Killmonger talked about killing the “oppressors”. That only means one thing in present society. This was about white people.
It’d have been nice to see why he hates white people. We’re only shown why he hates Wakanda, and even then, he doesn’t hate them for killing his dad. He only hates them for not helping “oppressed” people, which is never shown. Like I said, you need your own wokeness to fill in the gaps.
They did an amazing job with motivation in Civil War. Zemo was hurt by avengers so he tore them apart from the inside.
now that's a good villain development, tryna find out why they couldn't do it for here
The point of the movie and everything in it went completely over your head.
1. MBJ didnt underact, he was suppose to act emotionless. Because Killmonger is suppose to be a ruthless character devoid of any emotion except anger. That's the reason why it comes across like he is. This was suppose to be expanded upon by showing you how many people he was willing to kill just to get to Wakanda, including his own "girlfriend."
2. Killmonger DID play a bigger role into the MCU. His message and motivation made T'Challa realize that the past that his father created was a corrupt one and it plays a big role into the development of T'Challas character. Which leads to T'Challa trying to right a wrong by opening up his countries resources to the rest of the world. And aids the Avengers multiple times during the fight with Thanos and his army.
3. His motivation was driven by anger. He's suppose to act irrational out of rage. Him doing the exact opposite of what you're saying is rational is the entire point. Killmonger believes he should he should have been the King of Wakanda, or atleast apart of it. And also believes he suffered because he wasnt apart of it. So therefore wants to get back at the world by making them suffer the same way he did.
These concepts arent that hard to understand. You basically have to look at the irrational view rationally, because if you try to make sense of it based on an unbiased opinion, you lose sight of why someone would look at something biasedly. It seems as tho you've looked at this movie too critically and missed all the points that the movie was even trying to make.
I only like Kilmonger as a “becoming what you hate” ensemble.
Like Sylvanas Windrunner.
This makes sense than the whole video.
Thats what hes supposed to be. When people say they like him, its the same reason people like loki. Loki has killed billions. But everyone cheers when hes on screen
Weasel Batches is right. Eric Killmonger shouldn’t have died. He should have been in more movies so he could have room for growth. He could have gotten better
Wasted, but however he'd probably end up so op in Infinity War and Endgame.
It's Ridiculous That Everyone considers Killmonger a Sympathetic/Understandable Villian Despite him being Basically Black Hitler
Black Hitler? Because he wanted to arm his people around the world who are marginalized and oppressed? Hmm. Sounds JUST like Hitler!!
@@kanesn0633 he wanted to kill the oppressors who are basically all White People or colonisers as he refers to them
Hitler also claimed Germans were marginalised by Jews
Also how they praised his horrible acting
Hitler is a sympathetic person, but an awful one, and it's a little different
@@user-ey8yc7st7k killmonger is a mass murderer.
The thing is Killmonger is suppose to reflect a person who has grown up in the streets of America, his acting fits that character perfectly, the way he’s so chill and he talks so confidently without that much emotion behind it is the way people talk, no offence to the guy who made this video but he probably dosent have a friend like this wether their black or any other colour the streets are the streets, not every single super hero movie has to have some epic monologue that makes it completely unrealistic
that samurai champloo theme song.
Sharp like the edge of a samurai sword
SoulDog the mental blade cut through flesh and bone
Whilst I respect your opinion, I disagree with this some points made on this video. I’ll respond to each points why.
The acting - I personally the acting is a subjective choice of whether you like it or not. Some people enjoy that style of acting whereas some don’t which is fine.
Relationship - This point I do somewhat agree with you because I do believe Killmonger should’ve lived. However it remains to be seen what happens in the sequels. But one thing I feel you ignore is T’Challa’s arc in the movie. He begins the movie being thrusted the role of King which he does not feel he’s ready for. And he’s someone who views his father as the perfect king and he believes he can never reach the levels of his father. However Killmonger is a representation of the flaws of T’Challa’s father. Killmonger is proof to T’Challa that perhaps his father is not this perfect king and the fact that Killmonger is essentially created by T’Challa’s father is what changes T’Challa. The movie is essentially T’Challa challenging Wakanda’s past because Wakanda’s past caused Killmonger to be the way he is. And it allowed T’Challa to see that his father was only human and made mistakes, so T’Challa will learn from them.
Motivations - I feel you miss out that Killmonger experienced the death of his father at a very young age. It’s mentioned in the movie I believe that he’s had this anger within him ever since his father died. And you have to imagine, someone at a very young age who sees his father death won’t be able to comprehend what just happened. It’s not like at that moment he was thinking “oh this is Wakanda’s fault”. He would be blaming the world and the universe for taking his father away from him. And because he’s been instilled with this anger since such a young age, his mindset has not changed so in a way, he is still that same young boy. And in terms of what he wants to do with Wakanda, once again it’s mentioned in the movie that Killmonger is part of the military, so he’s got that mindset of conquering. And you can imagine someone at a very young age is angry and is growing up at a time where racial tensions is high. I understand that perhaps that you would want to see Killmongers childhood but from what we know about the racial tensions in America, it’s sometimes better to make the assumption I feel. And you forget, this motivation was the exact same motivation his father had. So he wants to carry that out as well.
Facts
@@jerahmeeltillman6418 indeed
Essay.
Jerahmeel Tillman I’m afraid that what he said was an opinion
Facts
And people actually compare him to Loki who was more like Zuko who is one of the greatest animated characters ever
what the fuck you talking about the only thing similar between those is that they started bad and turned good. Thats legit it. You really be doing Zuko a dis credit to compare him to Loki. Everything about those characters is different except they turned good.
Loki is nowhere near zuko lol
@@brandondavis5926 he's surpassed Zuko without a doubt
@@Marvelfanatic3658zuko is miles ahead of Loki
Can you make a video ranking all heroes and villains
I love how you don’t talk about effects because cmon, we’ve all seen the final battle.
It looked like a mobile action game cut scene
He explained it in the black panther review
I mean the video is literally focused on a character, not the movie.
I'm bobbing my head to the Samurai Champloo soundtrack you got playing in the back.
Killmonger: my ancestors slave because white people.
Mate, your father is a descendants of the wakandan/wakandian? King. One of the most richest person ever, since he controls all the vibranium that's insanely expensive. You being poor isn't a result if racism and segregation in the 60's, it's because the king if wakanda killed your father and abandon you and your ancestors (well on his father side, we don't know who his mother is) was never a slave. They were wakandan royalty. The richest royal family that is still the head of state of the richest nation. Heck, I don't get why any of them act like they've been colonized and hate those "colonizers" Since fron what we've learned, wakanda was always a technologically advance nation that went into hiding.
Erhm, he also has an Afro-American mother...? You just decided to pretend that you don't know this so your argument is still valid, right?
I would like to add the his ancestors sold each other including the white
@@miguelrosado6348weak argument. You don't ever see the mother in the movie
@@kinman3051 Did you seriously called my argument weak and followed with "we don't see his mother in the movie"?! 😂 Did you read the entire thread or are half asleep?
Erik never said his ancestors were slaves. Him and his father saw the results of Christianity/ Slavery which was more like a terroristic Holocaust and lived/ saw the results of it and wanted to change it. Then the writers try and pretend Erik's the villain
And I genuinely respect the fact that you came at everything without race except when it was directly associated. I can tell you had no ill will behind this shit. It looks like shock content at first so I can in expecting to hear some bullshit but you really impressed me frfr. Good shit bro
2018 started with “Black Panther”
2019 started with “Captain Marvel”
And yet so many people kept shouting how these movies are doing something never done before. I watched both and thought they were super predictable and boring af. The political messages were so heavily forced and over done. I honestly think people give Marvel films way too much appreciation than they should get
Heisenberg II ok I’m sorry for liking stuff
Endgame was phenomenal
I didnt like captain marvel too much but I hella enjoyed black panther.
There isn't a political message in Captain Marvel. Just admit it, you don't like the fact that they made a woman a powerful superhero. Disney isn't pushing some conspiracy to destroy white men. They add diverse characters because they know it brings more people to theaters. Check the fucking box office numbers.
POV: u r watching this after the passing of Chadwick Boseman🙏🏻🕊
Funny how this video is EXACTLY what I rant about after watching the movie
Riza same !! This movie was shit only black people liked it
@@diegoherrera9219 it was a good movie stop being racist.
@@diegoherrera9219 its better than captin marvel, avengers age of ultron, thor, thor the dark world, incredible hulk, and much more and i think like 99.9999999999999999% of ppl can agree
KneeGuuh bro stfu this movie was trash it’s only liked bc it’s first time marvel put a black person
Diego Herrera I bet you try to be black tho smh I really wanna run up on u
Would have been nice to see a Goku/Vegeta kind of relationship between the two. They argue constantly but don't hesitate to kick ass when it's time to fight.
That would be awesome since Killmongers costume is based off of Vegeta
🔥🔥🔥
Dude I don't remember hearing him say white people once in the film.
Don't act like it wasn't implied
@@TheDarkGBJ it was implied but he wasn't talking exclusively about white people he wanted all oppressed people to rise up but I see your point
Cause white people can act
G B would that be a problem
@Christian Tompkins black supremacist ?? Lmaooo what
For me there's one thing that pissed me off about the movie. If I had to pick the most beautiful continent on earth, it'd probably Africa, just ridiculous natural beauty.
And yet usually its only seen on film in documentaries, or some crime movie where you really don't see the nice stuff. Literally the only famous movie set in Africa most people of our generation have actually seen is the lion King... So they had an opportunity to finally showcase the beauty of Africa in a high budget blockbuster....
And they film it in a bunch of Hollywood studios with greenscreen🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️.
To me that's what showed the higher ups couldn't care less about the movie, it was just tokenism, no real passion(from certain groups. I'm sure others poured their hearts into it)
Bro wakandas not a real place so I mean yeah
@@arlexen2258 well no shit. Middle Earth isn't a real place either, but look how much better The Lord of the Rings movies look compared to Black Panther despite being almost 2 decades older and each one on half the budget of BP. Coz they filmed in beautiful New Zealand, then enhanced it with CGI. Why couldn't they combine practical effects/real places with CGI for BP? How much more visceral would the waterfall fight have been on a real cliff/waterfall? Imagine how beautiful killmonger's death would've been with a real African sunset.
Filmakers have managed for years, with either practical effects or a combination of practical and CGI. The only reason it was 100% CGI was maximising profit and a lack of passion from the higher ups. Period.
@@Luca-bv5ic 💯💯
They still fooled the masses.
It's hysterical.
@@Luca-bv5ic
It's doesn't help that Middle Earth was more convincing than Wakanda.
He had potential but he was wasted.
Lol they even said that killmonger and black panther would have a magneto/professor x conflict but he came out as a simple cartoon villain
Sometimes white babies have to die for the black utopia.
Alpha Savage8 right, when was the last simple cartoon you heard talk about how a king of a nation must face the horrors of his people’s dark pasts because they let an entire race be kidnapped by foreigners to another land where they were whipped, beaten, raped, killed, sold for body parts, etc,
JUST because they wanted to keep their precious alien space metal safe?
@@gottesurteil3201 what the fuck is wrong with you
@@JakeTylenol the motive before killmonger was great. Wakanda was flawed, due to their protection for power and turning their back to others because of said protection and Killmonger wanted to change that.
PROBLEM was that the movie treated his motive as a cartoon villian. Instead of attempting to change Wakanda from inside and making inner conflict with T'Challa, he goes full "world took everything so revenge time".
Jephener Ben no, he didn’t. He wanted to take over wakanda and use its weapons to defend their people, because news flash, racism still exists. T’challa came to agree with the idea that wakanda should use their technology to help the WORLD as a whole, not just minorities.
He fundamentally changed T’challa’s world view.
Black Panther
more like Diesel Patches
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The final fight was wack!
I literally had this convo this morning. I’d rather see Winter soldier fight captain America over any fighting scene in this movie
You shouldn’t be talking you Loli lover
@@Usman4u79 if only you knew the sauce youd know that it isnt a loli
I don’t know what wack means but I’m guessing it’s positive so I presume you have 1 or 2 brain cells. I have seen better cgi in a ps2 game than that final fight
The part where they were falling and fighting at the same time was just a copy of "Spider-Man vs venom " scene in SPIDER-MAN 3 like I know Spider-Man 3 is a masterpiece IMO but why would they copy it
RIP to Chadwick
This is fact the villain was killed to early the whole movie didn't make sense at all
I see where you coming from. I still love the movie and the villain though 😎💯
@Mon Rvr OMG someone who finally respects another persons opinion and NOT being a toxic person, thank you kind sir!
@@oldmanjenkins7139 how is he toxic?
Yeah I still like the movie, but it could’ve been way better
@@purpleytical1391 he said he wasnt toxic
@@isuckatmakinghandles I read that wrong twice. I thought he was calling patches toxic.
I mean... do you remember the scene with N'Jobu (Killmonger's dad) talking about helping black people all over the world with Wakanda technology...? Doesn't it seem like that would be Killmonger's motivation as well after he found out the truth about his father's death (We can assume he finds out because of his extensive knowledge of Wakanda in the museum scene) ? Killmonger probably would've liked to kill his father's murderer too but took pleasure in taking revenge against the son (T'Challa). He wouldn't get revenge on Wakanda itself, Killmonger would use Wakanda and it's resources to fullfil his father's dream of helping oppressed black people.
That's the motivation the way I saw it, it seems obvious to me if you pay attention to the movie lol.
Ur 100% right about that. Killmonger didnt just want revenge for his father's death but to also accomplish what his father was trying to do which is help black people all over the world fight oppression.
@@getoffmyacc9416 Yeah you could argue that. I was talking about the Motivation for his plan, not the actual plan itself. I am pointing out that this TH-camr cant see the well constructed Motivation laid out to inspire Killmonger to act the way he does.
I would argue that the script for when Killmonger was executing his plan did not make a lot of sense when broke out the guy with the bionic arm and not killed him immediately after he broke him out. But I think everything after and before that made sense.
Kill monger in the movie wanted black people on top. In the comics it’s worse he wanted to kill all non Africans and make POC the only thing around. He is a black supremest.
@@tsbredlight9481 I suppose that's what would have happened eventually if Killmonger succeeded. Just like how if Hydra took over it would eventually be like Nazi's trying to put White Aryan people on top.
However, because these movies are made for a very large public audience, none of these comic book movies ever will ever go beyond making only subtle references to real world hate groups/organizations. That's why Killmonger mostly focuses on the issues of Black inequality and using Wakanda's resources to help black people. That's why Hydra doesn't outright say "we need to keep white people on top" and instead focuses on taking over society from the shadows and gain control of the entire planet.
I personally like how movies and art will try to take influences from history and real world problems and create something completely different that makes me care or re-evaulate how I feel/think about different topics. What kind of black villain would help you empathize with his motivations but disagree with his methods? How do you make an entertaining action movie that also helps you empathize with Black people and the unique problems they face in society? Would you prefer these kinds of stories not to be told at all or do you want people to try and hope they succeed?
I think he just upset that motives that Killmonger had for the movie isn’t the same motivations he had for the comics because the way he suggested Killmonger’s motivations and character should been written was the same way he was in the comics.
I personally find it weird how they took Killmonger, who’s usually a poacher in the comics, and mixed some of his aspects with that of White Wolf, who’s one of my favorite antagonists. I think the movie would’ve been better if they just went with White Wolf.
Isn’t Bucky white wolf?
@@shay_z6059 lol no don't take in all the mcu bullshit
@@shay_z6059 in the comics he's T'challas adopted white brother and the head of a Wakandan spec ops group.
Most black people didn't look at the movie in a critical way at all. they were just happy to see a movie like this with the almost all black class about an african superhero while the movie is based in africa. and as a black guy i agree. i was happy to see it. but now looking at the movie years later i agree with lots of the criticism. I just wish more black people would criticise the movie the way others do. I like how u look a movie on a deeper level then just the surface level. keep it up.
@Ryan Akwar because you rarely see a black person speaking against or criticizing black Panter. Or even looking at the movie in a critical way.
@@glitchedshinobi9452 boi must of the people i have seen criticizing this film are black
1:02 The big gay took over
I’m all here for hot takes. I like the music in the background too man. It’s a nice touch.
His motivation worked because he lived in a shity place well knowing that paradise is out there and they rejected him his family killed his father and prospered whie other people that look like them are suffering around the world and he became twisted becoming all the things he hated Lastly he's from Oakland that's how people talk from where he's from he wasn't going to go on a soliloquy like the joker the movie was a mixed bag but killlmonger was the highlight your tripping
That is a huge stereotype most people don’t talk like that in Oakland
@@tsbredlight9481 some do
yeah, but why does he hate white people? shouldn't he hate Wanadka because their the ones who caused his suffering, and stood back while Africa was being colonized?
cerberus he doesn’t necessarily, or only, hate white people. He hates those who oppress and those who stand back and watch. He grew up in America at around the 70s and 80s, highlight years for injustice among black people. And at the same time he knew Wakanda was out there but Wakanda didn’t help those who looked like them or were even in need in the first place.
DJ Flame wait isn’t is goal to enslave the white race, so if he against oppression, why is his goal to oppress white people. Why does he hate white people so much? What event cause him to hate the white race, and it can’t be his father death because white people had nothing to do with it. Also the highlight for racial injustice were the 50s and early to mid 60s so discrimination probably isn’t the reason, and even if it was the movie never tells us this.
The fact the writers focused exclusively on Black communities and colonialism when Wakanda is literally surrounded by various nations that have people that need Wakanda more than any black community in the west ever will told me *everything* about them and their worldview.
It’s exactly why I absolutely loath Killmonger. He’s not revolutionary fighting for his people or symbol of the black struggle; he’s petty, selfish, vindictive, genocidal psychopath that wants to watch the world burn for perceived sights against him that aren’t actually there.
Facts he was never really about black liberation is about destruction and revenge
I felt like the only black person who didn’t like black panther’s story or it’s characters.
Well that's because you aren't blinded by overrated shit. And actually have great taste. 👌
As black people we’re pressured into having a hive mind with the rest of our race. We have to think the same in terms of race, politics and white people. You’re not the only one, but because our race low key still hates white people, we HAVE to like a movie that bashes them.
IMO, Killmonger and Klaw were the backbone of this movie because of how boring it was. However every origin movie is meh at best with the exception of Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy.
@@derrickjones434 if black people think like a hive mind then that defeats the purpose of equality. I really dont think why its such a thing but people blame others because of their skin, supposedly because each and every person of that skin color has the same mindset. And it can be seen with every race, not just blacks and whites.
Mario Galan I can see that. I was just saying that there’s a set of things that we all “have” to agree on and if we don’t the general attitude is “nigga you black” . I’ve noticed that my white friends don’t really have a sense of racial unity like we do and if two different white people have a disagreement especially with politics or whatever, their common ethnicity isn’t brought up at all.
I didn't like the movie that much either, it was meh to me.
Also if it was a white supremacist as Killmonger people would lose their minds since it’s a black supremacist everybody loves him
How is killmonger a black supremacist I don't get what your saying please explain
@@d3monking164 if you go to the scene where killmonger first meets t'challa and the scene where he sits on the throne he was mentioning how black people all over the world is oppressed and dont have the right tools to fight back and get out of oppression. And he didnt understand why wakanda didnt bother helping and stayed to themselves being they are also black folks. So killmonger wanted to send vibranium weapons to colord people all over the world to fight those in power and get out of oppression. Hence his one quote the world's gonna start over and this time we're on top.
Just stop
@@jahrelladams2517 and how does the name him a black supremacist
@@elonmusket5676 so the definition of a white supremacist is someone who feels their race is superior to other races. With killmongers motivation he feels black folks with the wakandan technology are more superior and will take over killing all those in power who arent black and they will be taking over. Think of it like if the time of segregation was reversed. Blacks have more rights and all and whites dont. Killmonger said himself they'd kill children too. And his quote "the world's gonna start over and this time we're on top" meaning black folks will be on top in the world.
He cared about this character a lot because it was a gateway to a new audience...kids and teens. Also the paycheck was probably pretty thicc since Disney owns the movie.
HopingButton kids and teens already watch these movies
I mean chronicle is still is best movie.
Killmonger tried to start World War 3 and for some reason people were like he's a hero
The same can be said for Volture and fucking Thanos
@@ampocalypsew3883 i have yet to see people thinking Thanos or vulture was a hero. One a massssssss murderer the other an illegal arms dealer....
@@DavidElendu people think thanos did the right thing by cutting half the life so that "overpopulation" dont be the down fall of living creatures.
This movie had a ton of flaws like the cgi but killmonger was really good don’t scream at me people who hate this movie. His motivation weren’t white people bad, it was wakanda had all of there good stuff and wouldn’t give to anyone else, so killmonger wanted to go and take those weapons to the rest of the world
His motivations were that white people were evil and he has a point. They ruined Africa and oppressed people of color for centuries while destabilizing black communities and the infrastructure of economies within three communities. His rage is justified cause he was right. Violence was the only way to get justice
The throne room scene made it pretty clear he wanted to arm people around the world to have them rise up and kill people in power... and their children. He wants to send the world into chaos, because he's mad for some reason.
Also Kilmonger was pro black I think that's where people get confused Kilmonger was not a walking a political statement
backinBlack likeafuneral he said colonizers , who else would he be talking about ?
backinBlack likeafuneral and throughout history, which race has conquered, colonized and subjugated the world to their rule and will more than white people. Don’t say genghis khan cause his conquest wasn’t racially based
MBJ is so goddamn good looking idgaf fight me
Edit: semi no homo
That fucker ain’t got no chin
Gay
@@fortyseven1476 He still looks gorgeous. Where is your photo?
Blue Raven87 I’m too ugly
Manu GOATbili I respect that
While I think you made some good points I disagree with the motivation segment of your video
Killmonger is a black kid who grew up in America with a now single mother, despite rather you believe it or not a lot of underprivileged black children are jealous and reasonably (sometimes) place the blame on things like cultural white supremacy. While we don’t see the upbringing of killmonger we are left to assume he knows the effects of this. (This is one of your good points we should’ve got more about his upbringing). Couple this with the fact that his father was trying to do what killmonger attempts to do later in the movie (probably without all the murder). Or did we forget that his father was the one who helped Klaue steal from Wakanda. While his father was making his case to the king he talked about how the black community had to turn to drugs, was unemployed, etc. Killmonger probably carried these ideas with him even if he was actually privileged.
Continuing past that your part about destroying Wakanda is also valid. Keep in mind though that even though his father betrayed them he never hated them. He still spoke nicely of them even when killmonger visited him in the dream state. It’s clear though that killmonger was not interested in the people of Wakanda long term. He got rid of herb thus stopping the continuation of tradition after his reign, and literally choked one of the girls when they didn’t want to.
Lastly, destroying Wakanda goes against his father’s dream. Once he “killed” tchalla and Zuri his personal mission was complete. Otherwise Shuri and the queen would probably also be dead. Imagine if Trump went and killed a dictator in another country. If someone later cane to America and killed some people who weren’t involved in the decision and ruined the economy, wouldn’t you consider that unreasonable? Especially if some of those people were the same age or younger when the killing occurred?
Minor point I think the acting is ok, consider the fact that this man killed his girlfriend for becoming a hostage (without hesitation) and idk how much calmer and arrogant you could be.
In all I do agree that the movie does seemed rushed though. As you said all the characters should’ve built more of a relationship. We should’ve seen more of both of them as acting kings, etc
Isolated Instinct agreed with this entire statement.
Agreed. Dead on about the motivation part.
He hates white people and it's unacceptable,racist shit movie.The British empire was beautiful and brought democracy to the neanderthals.
Daniyal Ahmed the ignorance really jumped out huh
@@loveInvincible6400 it doesn't your right.
rest in peace Chadwick Boseman Wakanda forever
Umm ok
The Nujabes instruments in the background though, it was a nice touch
Nujabes is amazing
People are getting mad and using race as an argument, like stfu. Not everything is because someone is a race, like when I said “why the long nose” to the Jewish kid, people thought it was because he was Jewish, they’re right but he was also sad.
Exactly his character was so boring, I CANNOT believe people say that he's the "best" villian in the MCU, it boggles my mind!
The bar for villians in the MCU is pretty low
@@GenesisRoads yeah they don't want to do big stories and villains, it's too much for em ig
@@GenesisRoads yeah that's why in comparison to other mcu villains he is a good villain
Thanos was a much better villain imo
@@username.exenotfound2943 exactly it's literally Thanos, only other villian to match him I feel like would be Galactus
dunno.. ill be honest, killmonger sounding chill all the time adds to the character imo. i find it interesting but a little odd how he can basically commit murder and look like he had just left school on a long day and wanted to take a nap, hes enjoying what he does in a different way. and thats why when he does have outbursts like when he shouted in wakandan his name and his sheer anger against t'challas dad, its all the more satisfying. wouldnt feel as special if he was yelling the same shit the whole movie
Damn. This video’s about to blow up and I wonder why?
Weasel batches: "He's not intimidating...u expect me to believe someone who enjoys killing and gaining power talks like this?"
(Goes to Oakland, Calif)
"Ohhhh..."
This is going to come across as rude but I honestly don't mean it in that way. I think you should go out and talk to more black people about the idea behind Killmonger. All of his motivations are pretty accurate and spot on when it comes to how young black Americans feel about the world sometimes (e.g. burn it all and start over). The acting was perfect in that, in the world, as a black man you have to act calm and collective despite the rage you may have on the inside of hundreds of years of discrimination that led to the disenfranchisement of your people.
I respect some of the things you said but overall you're dislike of the character is more of an issue of you not understanding the scope of black culture. Again I know that sounds like a backhand slap but it's honestly not.
Big ups to Nujabes I"m a big fan of Samurai Champloo one of the best series ever made
Tyrant Justice couldn’t agree more
Facts
Exactly!!
still a horrible one off villain regardless
Agreed
My only problem with killmonger, which stopped him from being a great villain, on par with Thanos, was his actions.
His motivation, starting a war, by giving one side access to incredible technology, indiscriminately, would lead to the wholesale death of innocent people, probably from both sides. It makes sense to him, because of the oppression governments have placed upon his people, the world over. Much like Thanos though, he cannot see the insanity of it. Once he wins the war, what then would he do to the people he vocalizes as "oppressors?" Who would he call oppressors? The innocentd, who might be ignorant, but never outright hurt or subjugated anyone, would then be crushed beneath the boot heel he whole cloth resents their ancestors for. If it had been just this, that was his whole driving force, he'd be a villain on the level of Thanos. You can sympathize, because of the history of oppression surrounding black people around the world. He just, views the solution through a narrow lens, that won't let him hear of any other way.
What ruins this, all of it. Is his need for personal power. He becomes the black panther, then burns the flowers, because... Plot. In universe, it's so HE is the last one, with all the power. Why? That flies in the face of his motivations! He wants those he perceives as his people, to finally be free... Yet chooses to gatekeep a power that if not the world, but his people, could benefit from?!
It takes someone who could have been an IW Thanos level villain, and makes it look like he's a shallow bad guy, utilizing his charismatic cause to grandstand personal power.
Really killed it for me.
"yall some bitches" - the killmonger in my soul
Didn't Thanos abandon his entire core mission and decide to just kill the whole universe? Thats more selfish than even Killmonger, at least he was sticking to his plan to arm people around the world, his selfishness didn't stop his overall plan, it was just stuff he did on the side.
Thanos on the other hand...
Different thanos
Same end result
Thoron Neto Kilmonger is a traumatized psychopath. Of course his actions are going to come off as contradictory and senseless.
Kilmonger wants to liberate black people, but he also hates Wakanda, their traditions, and what they stand for.
Also, remember what Ross said.
He said Kilmonger was doing what the military trained him to do, inflitrate, dismantle, and destroy.
He, much like Ultron, didn't understand the difference between saving and destroying the people.
Still over a year has passed and people will hate on this movie about anything
I have to say the movie did better than I expected, unlike CK it was trash but this movie have haters due to its success. Good job marvel
@@ampocalypsew3883 I might be dumb but what the heck is CK
@@gannonhunt4284 i think.i meant CM for captain marvel, its been a year so I can't remember sorry
@@ampocalypsew3883 Ah. That's fine. I'm surprised you responded to my comment at all given how old your comment is.
people can hate on it as long as they want. You're also still defending it. the reason for hate is mostly because people overrate it as this super great movie when it's above average at best.
He’s better than any other marvel villain besides Thanos and Loki. Better personality, Dialogue, (Oakland Slang) and still a motive that most audiences understood. He was a step in the right direction.
Not better than zemo and vulture
sins zemo was kinda lame
@@cliffordsithole2646 Vulture was lame
@@picklespickle1641 how is Zemo lame, bruh was able to cause a rift within the Avengers without any super powers
@@ebiyoneyewuoma2004 So ? Still lame lol
8:15 “We don’t even see why this motivation was created”
...It was literally his fathers mission and the reason why his father betrayed Wakanda and got killed by T’Challa’s father. Not only did racism impact his life in America, but fighting it was his father’s dying mission. I haven’t seen the movie since 2018 and I still remember them showing that lol
Yea he definitely has some tone deaf moments in his vid
@@shuckyducky3471 he's a fuckwit
That was his father's mission. Killmonger's mission is completely different and it doesn't show us his motivation
@@warfare1101 in what ways was his motives different? They literally both wanted to liberate oppressed peoples with the resources Wakanda has. Only difference in motive is Killmonger avenging his death too
I feel like he would've just taken revenge for his father, not take his father's mission on him. Cause it seemed like his father kept his mission a secret from his son. And well if you're a kid you most likely go to the police when your parent is dead. So whatever his father wrote down about his mission he probably never saw it. So basically no, he didn't have a good reason for his taking his fathers mission because he wouldn't know of it.
I wouldn’t say terrible, he did well, especially with the writing Disney’s Marvel gave him, bc IMO a lot of the MCU villains are underwhelming besides like Thanos. Overhyped, yeah.
JB Locke88 Hopefully they dont fuck up black widow with taskmaster because im looking forward to it
Cheeser me too
I’m black and I liked the movie, it was pretty good but people were over exaggerating hard asf over this movie. They act like this is the best movie, it’s good but it’s def overrated
It's a pretty bad movie. Monger is the only good part of the movie
@@vhsninjaccoon7705 lies
@@tantris2876 İt was. "Killing off" the main character early is such a trope. His character has no faults - no falter - just plain plot armor and plot convenience.
@@vhsninjaccoon7705 Killmonger was a horrible villain, you realize he was willing to kill children, his own "brothers and sisters" just to get to Wakanda so then he could give resources to those same brothers and sisters to start a global war against the oppressors and their children.
There's literally no redeeming quality in Killmonger, his father died because he was selling Wakandan technology illegally and that's basically how Eric died trying to do.
Throughout the movie, he had help from Klaw and the girl before he promptly backstabbed the two by killing the girl who actually liked him and wanted to help. Then he killed Klaw just because he wanted to be the only one to stop the main character.
I'd argue that M'baku was a better than Killmonger, seeing as he felt like Wakanda was turning into a crap country due to their technology and growth. He was more intimidating than the villain without having to yell everything he had explain.
@@osakatales9228 Better than Black Panthers character. And straightforward like Ultron.
black panther is the least diverse movie
yeah, it didn't have left handed people smfh
@@ShrimpRice ikr
No
Michael B Jordan saying he almost fell into a depression after playing the role... What a drama queen
He didn’t say that don’t believe everything u read
He never said that
@ms. X ikr lmao
Don't believe everything you read. I don't think he actually said that.
You sound tone deaf and apathetic
The reason you don't understand his response it's because you may not be from the place that he was perceived to grow up in the life that he was said to be given is the life of many people who look like him so we didn't see him as an empty character who should have been displaying more anger a lot of people saw themselves if they were given the opportunities in the power that he had . Killmonger grew up as an impoverished black kid in America , whilst also being part of old warrior race that is still very much so had connection to and also felt abandon ed by that same group of people because of the life he was forced to live after he was left behind. Also his father was killed for doing very similar things to himself so he was more so upset with wakanda for not understanding the life that himself and his father had lived but ultimately upset with the world for oppressing people who look like him !
His motivation was very clear and explained in the film, I don't know how you think his motivations weren't clear to you
Ikr some of these points were good but then they just got awful and just nitpicky.
In all honesty his motivations are a mess, so lets break this down, his father left wakanda and had a baby with an outside woman, and was doing his homeland dirty by selling vibranium, as well as aiding golem, so he grows up with a hate of wakanda, so his goal should be against wakanda, however he decides to go and become its king, which really shouldn't have happened since he missed out on challenge day so tough luck, ANYWAYS once he becomes king he decides they are gonna ship weapons out to people all over the globe so they can take over. They set him up to be the bad guy, as he should be, in the comics he aint a good person just trying to liberate people, back to the movie, he was set up to be a bad guy, the rival to wakanda and the yen to yang, but they decided to push the moral/preach the idealism and made a 90 degree turn from bad guy to just a dude trying to change the world, and in the end he spouted his line, and died. killing off black panther's numero uno baddie, like he was the top dog besides golem, but he died from killmonger, killing two enemies with one crap covered stone.
TLDR Killmonger has motives but doesnt follow through on those motives, he does other things while still using his real motives as an excuse for an unrelated moralistic goal, plus he killed Klaue so.....
@@SteampunkCreeper alot of the film clearly went straight over your head, and this "breakdown" makes absolutely no sense. Killmonger was left in America, where he experienced oppression. He felt that wakanda left black people behind while living in royalty but still leaving blacks in America to struggle. It was due to these experiences in America that lead killmonger to become radicalized. The whole reason killmonger wanted to become king in the first place, was so he could do what he thought wakanda wasn't doing, and help the blacks he felt that were struggling in America. He was just so radicalized, that while his intentions may have come from a good place, the actions he set forth to get there weren't good. There was no "90 degree turn" on his character at all, he's consistent the entire film. Killmongers main objective the entire film was to become king and liberate blacks. I think the main reason alot of people don't like black panther, is becuase they don't grasp the many deeper messages and ideas in the film. Killmonger is an amazingly written character, and an almost perfect villian (despite Micheal B Jordans performance being questionable at some times).
@@SteampunkCreeper also he never really wanted to work with Klaue, and actually saw him as an enemy, like an opressor of his people. His whole reason for working with Klaue was to use him to get to Wakanda.
@@Sigmundfrued We can see most of this information but a lot of it relies on the fact that we're able to make assumptions.
Killmonger would have been a better anti hero
Peter Porker in the movie he played the villain but has all the characteristics of an anti hero
Peter Porker yeah I agree, it’s a shame he had to play the main villain in the movie and die, would’ve liked to seen him in future movies
I wish people would stop acting like the X-Men movies don't exist. Magneto is clearly the BEST Marvel villain put on film... for every reason that they say Killmonger and Thanos are great villains. And personally, I think the Sentinel X is the most menacing Marvel villain put on film. BUT those movies don't count right? Fuck great craftsmanship right?
Luke M I love Xmen but the only good xmen movie is like Logan. Dark Phoniex looks good, but like almost every xmen movie, its inaccurate.
@@circusactsandparades1081 INACCURATE?? Like the race of Heimdall and Valkyrie? Thanos's motivations?? Zemo and his motivations? STFU with that shit, you Disney / Marvel shill
Luke M yeah but those changes were made for the better marvel universe people liked thanos in infinity war because he wasn’t a one dimensional villain like he was in the comics and why do like you get mad, calm down
@@christmasload1236 Yeah and X-Men: Days of Future Past was changed for the better....
X-men had some decent movies. Some people in this thread are stupid with their arguments but X-men movies are more accurate than MCU movies. And Magneto is a great villain because his motivations and ideals were ripped directly from the comics.
Black panthers story was:
BP “My father died”
KM “My father died too”
BP “I deserve to be king”
KM “Me too”
KM “Let’s fight”
BP “Ok”
KM “I win”
BP “No I wanna win”
BP “Ha you lost”
(The end)
You made some excellent points I never considered. I still enjoyed Killmonger and thought he was one of the better villains. But you made some amazing points that could have made him one of the best characters in the MCU had the director considered the things you said.
The scripts in your videos are better than the writing in the movie
Bring me the horizonnnn
@@Mightyyy8 old school tho 🤘
Eh
black panther is the most overrated movie of all time
agreed
foh it's top 10
Only reason it's so overrated is because of "political correctness" and "inclusion".
And to clarify, I liked Black Panther more in Civil War than in this movie.
@@juanlaise1059 same
It’s overrated to you
Terrible is a strong word. On his way of speaking it just is what it is. Even when you spend time around other people you still revert back to the way you originally spoke before. He very likely never adopted the mask of changing his vocabulary because his character doesn’t give a shit about fitting that mold or making people comfortable. He definitely should have been fleshed out more. He never said he hates white people he said is angry with wakanda because they did not help when they were taken or put into ghettos in America when they very well could have. So he’s angry as oppressors(not all white people,just people who uphold that oppression) AND wakanda and his uncle for taking his father. Who had the same beliefs as him because he most likely instilled that in him at a young age. So that’s where those come from. He should have lived I agree.
I find it funny how people have to be racist to prove theyre not racist
I think racial and diversity obsession ruined and really limited the film.
its not diversity though... black panther is in the comics you know
@@anonymoust2877 I’m not talking comics my guy, I’m talking about Hollywood skimping out on good writing just to please some political agenda
@@samuelhermosillo4532 there wasnt any political motive back then and it couldnt have limited it. they made that whole in 2017, and cuz black panther is obviously black he is gonna have black ppl around him
dunno why thats hard to explain
@@anonymoust2877 you still don’t get it, I wanted to watch an exciting film with action and good story telling. Black panther is one of my favorites and I love him in the latest run of the avengers comic. I was hoping he would be as awesome as he was in civil war. The story was generic the Cgi was shady there were so many plot holes and kill monger had the worst motivations( wHItE peOPlE BaD, BlacK people OpPRessed 😡🤬durr )
@@samuelhermosillo4532 that wasny killmonger's motivation. tchalla realised it was bad to be an ethnostate isolationist so they aided the world. but seriously though he wasnt racist tbh. how can THAT limit the film? the whole film is based off the comics dont think ya get it. then you ppl just wanna push this under narrative that oh black ppl bad. you forgetting a cia agent help stagged the coup against killmonger?
Well, now I've gotta watch the movie again, cause I remember liking it a lot when I saw it in theatres.
Omni Tv same
That's because this guy is looking for reasons to dislike this movie.
@@aquariuskudo nah he made some good points
I love this movie it’s a fun watch but my god it has some major flaws
@@aquariuskudo He made good points though.
Killmonger's plan was dumb and childish.
it wasnt dumb though
@@anonymoust2877 it kinda was actually
@@thatguywhosayshi7021 it wasnt. he just wanted to take over the world
@@anonymoust2877 that's pretty cliche and boring
@@larrythelobster2158 eh not rly
I disagree with everything said in this video. Killmonger is one of the greatest villains in the MCU (and I'm counting the Netflix shows). He's an example of how to write a three dimensional and sympathetic villain properly. And I don't understand how you could criticize Killmonger for having simple and thin motives and than say Ultron is a good villain. Fucker was literally born thinking humans were bad for no discernible reason.
So we agree
We empathize with the tragedy surrounding NJadaka.
He has no parents, discovers his father murder in his own home, you know from extrapolation that he's lived a life alone in a country that discriminates him for the color and physiology he was born with, most likely he picks his extremism and criminal ways from his parents and the practical circumstances of his upbringing as an orphan, a black person in Oakland.
The flaw of his extremism, the fact that he wants to seek retribution against the world, that he still perpetuates violence and discrimination against the community that oppressed him and the fact that he is still willing to extend his vendetta to innocents and people who will disagree with him IS what makes him a great villain.
A great villain, a broken child, a sad angry adult lost and alone.
He's arrogant and proud because he compensates for how vulnerable he was and has been for so long. Because he won't stand to be oppressed ever again.
That's why he kills himself in the end even when T Challa offers him a chance to heal. He dies still in the optic that he will be made to suffer after he's healed.
how does that not elicit empathy
"A brutal genocidal person that is basically hitler but black" I read someone comment
reducing him just to that means that the person saying it admits to not understanding the character.
But you did understand why Kilmonger is a great villain, Reccher. Yes multifaceted, more than one dimension.
But I think that Ultron was gifted with a sense of morality and compassion, that's why he resents being alone.
So upon learning of the atrocities of humanity and how long humanity lasted for, he came to the logical conclusion rhat humanity was a danger to itself. But being an advanced AI, like Cortana's rampancy in mass effect, or Deviancy in Detroit become human, he felt emotions, he felt emotionally invested in his goal to become humanity's savior by destroying it, mirroring Tony stark the merchant of death, contributing to extending the protector instinct of the US by selling and delivering weapons of mass destruction...
"Or the next missile I deliver to you, will come very much faster"
The motives of ultron aren't vain or thin, it just requires too much extrapolation and his character is too subtle.
at least u didn't pull the race card
@@milopop0006 at least you didn't give him a reason to.
@@Cagon415 what?