A Critique of Black Panther: The Most Overrated Marvel Movie Of All time
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- A breakdown of the 3 most severe writing issues that plague Black Panther in order of Least damaging to most damaging.
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The actors showed up but the writers didn't.
It shows. Especially when you see the extras.
Good summary. They cast was ready to make something great and they were handed crap
True, the actors made the movie for the fans
A lot of great actors to . I was really disappointed with black panther..
So lazy was the writing they write in screens from the lion King
Idk, this wasn’t Michael B. Jordans best…
as a black man, I very much agree with this review, and screw the woke idiots that cry racism everytime someone criticizes this film
Bro the cgi is literally the only down side....yall let people take ONE of the most entertaining films and reduce it to speed and cgi.
@@spiritualatom2535 have you watched the video?
@@alupha_216 yea no anger or hate just saying what another of people do when it comes to bp
@@spiritualatom2535 I’m alright with the cgi
as a black man your an idiot you always be black to this people you are trying to impress i do not like this movie too but i hate niggas like you the most this coon shit if you were really black you would understand the symbolism and what it meant to your people but nah you probably sexually harrass white women and are alergic to watermelon you probably dont even wash your feet anymore.
When I found out my all time favourite comic book character was not only getting an MCU appearance but his own solo movie to boot I was over the moon. I saw the movie when it came out with these goggles on and loved it. Only after a lot of repeated viewings did I realise that there's a lot of things that don't hold up. T'Chaka choosing to off his brother was dumb, he is actually shown disarming him first so the death blow was unnecessary. T'Chaka's reason for covering up the murder....dumb.... anyone with more than 2 neurons to fire could tell he acted out of self-defence and should the truth of the circumstances become known to the public, Wakanda would clearly love to see a traitor's blood spilled... royalty or not. Leaving a young Erik is the most egregious one.
Furthermore, with what I know about Wakandans from their tech in comic books and in the MCU, there is absolutely no way Klaue could have escaped with a shitload of vibranium AND remained undetected and roaming around for an entire 30 YEARS. Why do they even have War Dogs if they can't track, down and eliminate an enemy of the state. Also M'Baku is kind of a good guy, Nakia is a good guy, W'Kabi is ultimately a bad guy.... all of which are different from the comics. It's a decent outing, not the best. Killmonger cutting the Dora's throat was coolly cruel and cunning. If only there was actual blood so that scene didn't look fake as shit. CGI was awful at some points. Definitely overrated.
You know that scene when T'Challa's sister flipped him off? When I saw that in the theaters with my mom I thought it was a very disrespectful thing to do. I understand that it was a play as annoying siblings but at the end of the day that's still your king. I also didn't like the scene where W'Kabi was on his knees. Images convey a message and that message was not something I enjoyed.
All those were kick the dog moments, with killmonger they wanted to really make him evil as they could, because he was so damn cool it would be easy to rout for him. And as for plot points, and stupid decisions. Well that's so the movie can happen. They have so many angels and ideas x not to mention dealing with the whole mcu stupid and unrealistic things are gonna happen. Just lay back it the illusion of disbelief
Wakanda allowed African slavery to happen. I just could not buy into the mess.
Which is why T'Challa called them all out and said they were wrong about everything and that is what caused that mess. Klaw had inside help from T'Chaka's brother to get the vibranium. I feel like some of you didnt pay attention to the movie.
@@leesnell6310 Are you talking about the major plot holes and lack of believability of the movie?? Yeah....hard to pay attention when the movie is just whacko.
Now i have the very same opinion on this film nowadays you can't dislike a movie starring an black actor without it being racism i get it racism is a real thing it's very hurtful but you don't need to call a person racist just because he didn't liked a movie with black actors and everybody treated this as an revolutionary superhero movie and act as if that was the first time ever happening when you have Blade sitting right over there!
My channel is literally for people lile you. Come on in
Blade wasn’t even the first black superhero Michael Jai White as Spawn came out before Blade
@Emanuel Gabriel Popa
Word, I too like the film, but have my qualms with it. But it's like us black folks aren't allowed to criticize this film, but see as a display of "black pride."
Joke's on these corporate schmucks as my black pride resides in my personal capabilities and accomplishments, not my skin color.
Plus why stop at Blade when we had Spawn, Steel, and Meteor Man(an original hero sure, but that's better)...? Those films came to mind when I heard that "first black hero" B.S. when this film came out.
But going back to being unable to criticize this film, it's that conformist hive-mind bullcrap. I call it "mental enslavement" since they can't put us in physical chains, so they chain our minds instead. But I'll honest in that I'm being jaded AF.
@@loganwithlightsabers3051 True, but so was Steel(DC) with Shaq, also 1997.
Steel was barely watchable, and while Spawn was an okay movie, it had enough bad elements that everyone just decided to forget it and only remember the animated spawn show with Keith David.
(I'm not saying the Spawn movie should be ignored, I agree it was sooner then Blade,, I'm just saying it wasnt the breakout movie people look toward)
Blade was the first successful comic book movie with a Black lead, and the movie was almost universally liked. There was no absurd notion that someone black couldn't be a lead superhero 20 years ago when Blade came out, Blade and Blade II were financial successes and Blade has a large cult following, so the MCU was basically gaslighting their audience .
Well why give a negative opinion lik this for one and the most overrated who decideds that. Couldn't you say hat any super hero movie is operated? Maybe neagite reviews are not opines tha are needed
Civil War black panther was the reason I wanted to watch black panther. I was kinda disappointed to find that Okoye and Nakia were the interesting ones.
Eric didn't even have that good a plan, what if T'chala just decided not to take his challenge, what then?? He went to Wakanda alone with no reinforcements. After killing all the allies the movie gave him.
T'chala is aware of the pain of having your father killed for reasons that have nothing to do with you, and the burning desire for revenge, which is what drove his actions in Civil War, I wish the movie could have given him a shot at a heartfelt conversation with Eric about how revenge would consume him the same way it once nearly consumed him.
T'chala meets his cousin and decided immediately that he hated him, he couldn't see past all that anger to see a scared and hurt little boy who just needed to be told he was right to be angry. But again he is angry at all the wrong people, the one person responsible for his father's death is dead already why is he still angry?
Problem is, our villain is either stupid or unreasonable, because all that happened is that his father was killed and so now he is mad at, I guess white people (and their children), who by the way weren't responsible for his father's death. T'chala as a side character in civil war had a better story than the main villain in Black Panther.
The movie could have made the magical bullcrap fruit only compatible with rare genetic abnormalities, which T'challa and KiLlMOngeR both have, the first pair of panthers in centuries, with KiLlMOngeR being not as compatible with it as T'challa, and went insane, or something. The potential is limitless!
Smart idea
Erik talks all the time about being opressed, however he's a renowed engineer on MIT with a masters degree (if i remember right), a condecorated navy seal, he is extremely successeful from any stand point, most likely top 10% low balling. Yet he holds a grudge to the society that allowed him to succed with no dad, no mom as far as we know. He worked hard, no doubt, however, anywhere else in the world and he'd be screwed, specially if his dad took him to any Wakandan neighbour countries, or asia, or south america, and Tchaka killed him there. He wants to take over the structure that allowed him to succed. I'd understand if he wanted Wakanda to burn as revenge, but the motivation they gave us makes no sense.
I'm sorry, but it's not HIM who's oppressed, it's other black people.
I think Killmonger doesn’t see himself as oppressed but people that look like him not named Wakandan
THANK YOU.
I've said this since the start. Sadly, when people hear criticism of a movie they like but don't actually know why they like it, they tend to tune out.
It was an entertaining movie sure, but what makes me criticize it is the fact that it could have been so much better with a little thought behind the writing.
Because its simiral mess to Black Cleopatra bs, shielded from "racism" which is any form of criticism.
Probably the best review of this movie I've seen
Thank you i really appreciate that
T'Challa staged a cup d'etat against the rightful king of Wakanda. We should not forget this. T'Challa is a usurper. I know both the film and the fans tries to convince us that no, Killmonger technically never won, but he did. And you know what. That's ok. That's what the movie should have been. T'Challa losing the throne legitimately. He and Wakanda is all about the importance of tradition, all the way through. That makes T'Challa and other characters not really being characters: they don't make their own choices and decisions, they just adhere to the traditions.
I think that it's good that when Killmonger wins, all these people (his family and closes friends) claiming they're all about tradition doesn't accept it. They should, their morals tell them to revere the traditions, but they can't. Same with T'Challa who have to accept that he has to break traditions and honor their culture to stop a dangerous man even he has the right to to it. The stuff about "he was never dead so it's ok" should only be used as a "History is written by the victors" afterwards to downplay the coup, but T'Challa and his family should know that he is an usurper.
This would do two things: 1. T'Challa would see that while traditions and culture are very important values, sometimes you can't just depend on them, you have to break them and make your own decisions. Character development. 2. T'Challa would always know in the back of his head that he overthrew a rightful king and stole the throne, and the movies and stories could use that in the future to make him doubt himself, his decisions, and is he really a good person.
Thanos is dumb. Instead of wiping out half the intelligent life in the universe, just double or triple the resources. Duh.
The rich and powerful would just take it all for themselves
I know i am late, but spider-man got treated the same way. He had a strong introduction and looked like he could handle himself, but when his movie came out they made him a baby so that iron man could be his daddy.
Totally agree the Avengers should have all had vibranium suits after he joined. The plant explanation in the comics is actually really cool, it acts as a conduit threw which their goddess Bast judges them and actualizes a blessing. One of the other things that bothers me though is how the movie treats Killmongers victory over T’challa as illegitimate he lost fair and square and without outside interference t’challa would have died. Great breakdown really enjoyed it!
He never officially joined the Avengers
Using your logic they should also have iron man suits.
one of my most hated parts of the movie is not tchallas recklesness as that can be eyplained as his pride (he is known as prideful character even though he is really wise which IMO always made him as very compelling and iteresting character, because he felt real). what i do hate is how my favourite thing about him was tossed aside and made irrelevant and non-existent, and that is his silent and wise nature, avengers earths mighitest heroes have great portrail of him. they could have just implemented some elements from that and he would be perfect. and i KNOW its not chadwicks fault because irl he gave of that same vibe
He really did though. He even stayed silent about his cancer battle while people were making fun of his appearance. RIP King, which he truly was
@@sabir1208 exactly. Plus its not that simple to make a "show rather than tell" characters that are silent but important, but I believe given the right script he couldve pulled that off better than most. But wishful thinking is pointless, lets be thankful for having some amazing material he made to watch whenever we want
I saw this movie in the theatre and I was seriously entertained. But it absolutely does not hold up, because the script, the character motivations, and the CGI are terrible once you notice it. It's a real shame, because there are so many good actors in the movie giving their best. It's a movie riddled by missed opportunities. Just one example: Claw is killed off for no reason in an ambush. If they really wanted to have him killed, let Killmonger fight him in his best gear. As it is, this buffed up guy kills off a middle aged man with one arm. The whole opening of the movie is pointless. Killmonger can just go back, show his tattoo, expose the dark past and the scandal, and challenge the king in this ritual fight. He doesn't need the vibranium axe. He just needs a plane ticket.
lol the fact a black character said “then why did you run” was hilarious
I have said the same. The movie was way overrated and people were afraid to criticize it.
In Civil War he had a suit that gave him power. When he fought in the movie Black Panther he was without his suit, thus it’s believable that he loses the fight against killmonger who was on his own all his life.
...and Killmonger drops off Claw to the guy from 'Get Out'"
🤣🤣
That's where I know him from!
Been enjoying your videos since the ROP critiques. Glad I found your channel.
The one thing that the movie doesn't establish but most black people understood completely, the plight of the African American experience in America. Id say that shows to be a mistake on the writers part but I think they made this movie to appeal to the black audience. Hence when Killmonger speaks about taking over Wakanda and arming people in America, the black audience caught on quickly. To sum it up from a black person in America's perspective. Killmonger was living a horrible traumatic experience in America, probably barely making it. Then to walk in on his fathers dead body, then finding out an extremely "advanced" civilization's King is his murderer. Being left alone, watching someone you love dearly be taken from you and then seeing there could have been a way out the whole time, devastating. There is a saying that perfectly sums up his character. " A child not embraced by the village will burn it down just to feel its warmth." That context is the reason why I myself and many other really love this movie. The movie isn't the best movie ever but its message speaks volumes to many people who understood it. This isn't a point to discount your critics. Seriously like why did they have to kill his father instead of bringing him to Wakanda and have him stand trail. Maybe even some traditional execution method and then Erik, witnessing the tragedy grows resentment compiled with his horrible American experience vows to take over. Even I cringe at parts of the movie, especially the CGI "epic ending battle to the death" scene. Taking the wind out of the first intense fight scene. I mean they show so much emotion, his Mother, sister, and beloved guards watching in horror as T'Chala gets his ass handed to him. Even Zuri's death was sad, although a bit rushed. Then to just have that horribly choreographed CGI mess with the train. A train wreck battle scene, literally. So said all that to say, there was a strong cultural and emotional that made Black Panther the sensation that it was. Not so much because of its execution. Anybody denying that most likely in their own emotions about being called racist for bashing it, which is completely understandable. After all its a piece of fiction meant to entertain. Then again the American experience is controversial in its own right lol.
Bro can you make a whole breakdown like this but for oscar winning movies
Is it a good film,? Yes. Does it deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Guardians of the Galaxy, Winter Soldier and the First Iron Man film, and be one of the few superhero movies to be recognised at the Oscars. Hell no!
I doubt the writers saw the episode, but maybe in regards to the girlfriend killing, if she was able to be caught and turned into a hostage, then what good is she? Like when Sasuke was willing to kill Karin to kill Donzo.
This guy gets it!
most definitely one of the weakest criticisms of the film.
IM SUPER INTO comics and the movies and shows live action and animated...
But I've honestly never even considered watching Black Panther or Shang Chi.
5:00 “basic things that any leader would have done”
The US congress would beg to disagree with you my friend
Brother blame Hollywood tokenism.a black guy directs black shit or a woman directs woman movies.... I had thought the Russo's were going to direct this one.they woulda done him justice
So you piss on Ryan Coogler to praise the Russo Brothers?
It was good. I know why it was built up so much people where color blind to the story. And the biggest mistake was claw he's supposed to be a badass that doesn't make mistakes. He's known to break into wakanda and steal there stuff. Then they act like his sister was smarter than banner and vision. Vision is a cyborg with a infinity stone in his head. But during infinity war shes supposedly smarter
is smarter then banner though. she makes some of the most advance technology in all of the MCU
@@briggsconnell5378 MCU technology makes less sense the further the story progresses.
"Killmonger, who somehow stole the hearts of millions of fans (*cough* thirsty hos/dudes who never left 125th street and Lenox *cough*)"
5:37 the dap was flawless though 😂
chadwick died few months after this video was uploaded
I'm honestly glad you mentioned Blade in the beginning cuz it did kind of piss me off that Black Panther got the whole "first black super hero" mantle. I always loved Blade and felt he got shafted in Blade: Trinity to set up the nightstalkers. I loved Black Panther as a kid in the comics but when the movie came out it's like everyone forgot about Wesley LOL. Without him or blade's success we may not ever even have a cinematic universe today. But anyway i also didn't like being told to stay out of a movie theater to see this cuz of the color of my skin damnit don't they know segregation is wrong all ways! What's next man do we get our own bathrooms in movie theaters 🤣. All that to find out its basically Hamlet with some differences. It wasn't that hot to me, i felt like they wasted Michael B Jordan too.
I like the movie at first watch, even 2nd watch. It does fall apart. Visuals are important. Writing should take precedence over visuals. Black Panther was way less than it could have been. I don't have high expectations for Wakanda Forever.
Bro did u not notice
Tchaka stepped back as black panther because he was getting old
Shuri created a new suit the old one never used vibranium
The heart shape herb only gives strength durability but bullets explosions and even implement can still kill them
I AGREE WITH SOME POINTS IN THIS THEY DID TCHALLAS CHARACTER DIRTY AND SOME ASPECTS WERE UNDERWHELMING AND SOME CHARACTER DECISIONS WERE RIDICULOUS OR JUST MADE TO MOVE PLOT FORWARD MAKING IT SOMEWHAT LAME OR UNBELIEVABLE STILL SOME ASPECTS WERE AMAZING NONE THE LESS THE CULTURE IS NOT AN ISSUE IF YOU KNOW. IT WASN'T AS GREAT AS EVERYONE SAID BUT WASN'T TERRIBLE EITHER JUST A LITTLE BORING AND ANTICLIMACTIC
Why's everything in caps?
I just thought single combat to determine the head of the country was the dumbest thing ever. I figured the farming communities were like camouflage. I didn't understand why the roads were covered in dirt.
Finally someone with a brain
Just… please do more. Love your editorial voice.
Ive always thought so until NWH. People act like any critique overlooks stuff that isnt even there. Thin story driven by nostalgia and cultivated a pathetic group who feel like any criticism is an abomination and a "true fan" should know better, the same way when I spoke negatively on BP it was only met with the braindead, "Racist" and "Dont disrespect Chadwick" replies
I agree that tchalla could’ve been written better and there are some fair plot holes about how they use their tech, but the whole point of the movie was a debate on whether or not they should show how much tech they have and share it. And calling killmongor a poorly written villain because his plan involved killing his team to gain the favor of wakandans is a huge reach. The whole reason they included the death of his uncle and the cover up is to show that tchaka was not a perfect king and that he made mistakes (also tchallas arc in the movie and the point of the scene where there talking). It’s not a perfect movie, and not the best superhero movie of all time, but it seems like you were just looking for stuff to complain about
this movie was more concerned with making sure the actors were coming off as "cool"
People can be tech advanced and still stick to tradition. See England, Dubai, China, Japan....
Claw was killed so he can get into Wakanda, Claw was most wanted in Wakanda. Claw as main villian would offer a generic plot. Killmonger had more impact plus, larger physical presence and that jolt of suprise most super hero movies need
BP movie fleshed out Tchalla, he wasnt just a rampaging prince on a revenge plan. Thats why he is now top 3 after Tony and Cap popular MCU characters. That african prince on revenge mission plot would be so 80s B-movie Canon pics level lol
My only critic is we should have seen a better last showdown between Tchalla and Killmonger, like the sureal waterfall challenge fight. CGI underwhelmed that final showdown. But that was redeemed with their last interactions after the fight. So emotional.
No solo MCU movie has various well fleshed out and interesting characters like BP. From the Dora, Shuri, Okoye, Nakia to Killmonger, Claw and Ross. You could make solo movies for each of these characters that would be exciting for the fans
I agree with you that it was a better choice to develop T'Challa beyond the generic revenge plot and motivation. I was still mad that they wasted Klaue an iconic Black Panther villain from the comics and other media. Also what didn't make sense to me was how how this version of Klaue, escaped Wakandan justice for over 30 years after escaping with a boatload of vibranium. Were they just not looking during that time? Why do they even have War Dogs if they can't even bring in one terrorist?? Smh. Killmonger's last moments and conversation with T'Challa was good. Props to Ryan Coogler for that exchange.
Killmonger doesn't need claw to go to wakanda
@@hypernova8867 It's a very medieval philosophy. Along with "Divine Right", the concept that a monarch is annointed by God/gods but hey.. it's fiction.
This guy missed all the subtle explanations for all the things he had problems with. And that last line in this video tells me he never will. Oh well.
@@skullerz7213 He needed Claw in order to get the trust of the Wakandans
The same can be said for the Spider-Man movies, honestly. T’Challa and Peter’s 5 minute appearances in Civil War did the characters so much more justice than their standalone movies and it’s sad
It's trash. I felt like walking out. The PS2 CGI was the last straw.
It's not racist to hate the film...but it's not bad like some say its just a good movie
Agreed! The Oscar nomination was quite a riddle to me.
Ageed on all points plus the CGI in the last 30 mins 🤢🤢 terrible...This movie made money and broke records only becuz many of us yearned for a black superhero from Africa...I seen far superior superhero flicks make less.
The only person I feel sorry for in this film is Chadwick himself for he had a gift for acting and he was given a trash script and I was also one of those who spoke out against this film for stuff that didn't make sense especially Killmonger's whole plan of world domination even tho he had to fight against the world's military and the Avengers as well. Yeah that invasion would end quickly it is sad really.
Also let's not forget about the other African nations out there and that Wakanda hasn't done jack or sh*t to help them.
I hated Black Panther and yeah, it is overrated indeed.
Of course, you do. I bet you can't wait for "white wolf" lol
@@rwmartinez1262 I’m confused now
Brilliant analysis
You touch on fundamental points, the most sensitive is the stereotypical form of African aesthetics and culture, a poorly done caricature
Some of these questions can be answered by paying attention to the damn movie
WHy did he kill his gf? Why did he vanish for 30 minutes after the chase scene? why did he kill klaue when he already had everything he needed to get to wakanda.
Lets just start there...go ahead
@@jedibrooks7235because. He. Is. An. Anarchist.
@@jedibrooks7235because his goal of freeing the wakandans in the world by giving them weapons is the primary goal he holds dear, which for him goes before love and loyalty. Plus, Klaue wasn’t reliable, he could have denounced him or betrayed him.
It's basically the lion king.
As a South African, i couldn't stand watching this movie because of the botched Xhosa language. i literally bailed out of the movie on the first scene. less than 5min into the movie. After that, i was only looking for actions scenes, no longer interested in the story because already there was 1 huge problem that messed up the entire movie without question. at that time, i rated this movie 4/10 for the effort. but after watching this review and actually got to understand the story and how shit it is, i now have a new rating for the movie. 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 out of the number of atoms combined in our universe.. absolute shit. i've never watched it again and never watched Black Panther Wakanda Forever. Rather watch Pepper Pig on repeat..
I hate how the movie didn’t showcase his intelligence.
Real. He's on Tony Stark/Reed Richards levels but yet his sister seems to be the only one in Wakanda that knows how to use technology
Black Panther T'Challa was considered one of the smartest people in the comics.
Even Amadeus Cho who has a mind of a hyper computer and is the 8th smartest person acknowledged T'Challa is smarter, evidently they didn't showcase his intelligence because wokeness
@@enderpearl9887why would that be wokeness when u don't even know what that word means 🤦🏽♀️
They ignored a lot of his character traits.
I'm not sure you know what it means@@timbirdie8180
Thought I was the only one who thought this movie was WAY too overrated.
Your Not the Only One.
True his civil war appearance had more substance to it I rather see that repeatedly than his own movie......
Civil War was a generic revenge plot for him. I'm glad they went in a different direction for the movie because you can't do the vengeance thing forever.
@@thembanitheone Go cry somewhere else. The revenge thing has been done in the Marvel comics n da movie for years now. It helps give these characters growth
@@I-speak-U-shut-it Why would I cry when the movie gave me the direction I wanted for the character? That's why characterization is key, T'Challa isn't Batman or the Punisher... the need for vengeance isn't core to his being. He's usually depicted as wise, stoic even spiritual all qualities fitting for a king or leader of a nation, not just a vigilante superhero.
Agreed
That's the MCU in a nutshell. The characters are so badass and cool in other movies, but then they are crapped on by the writers in their own movie.
For a character that's so rooted in an advanced society with vibranium bulit into its core, the trial to be king by combat seems very primitive. I mean, what's stopping any foreigner from just barging in and Gunning T'challa down? It could literally be the Sith, where sith murder each other for more power. Just food for thought
Whats to stop them from challenging killmonger right after he won when he was tired. How is killmonger the first person person to try sometime like this. Makes no sense
Kind of the point of the movie man. Not to get too hung up on tradition.
Everything is tribal and primitive. Its a joke.
@@jedibrooks7235 It’s an honor ritual, passed down through generations. That’s why it’s so old-fashioned and, at least most, people typically won’t challenge the king of their nation who’s already undergone lots of real-world combat experience as the black panther. That’s practically a guaranteed death sentence. Besides that, running an entire nation is also a very large responsibility: no reason for anyone to want that burden on themselves unless they already led one of the tribes, or were blinded by pride.
@@milkshakedraws6944 Just because its old, doesn't mean its a good thing. There are countless examples of people with NO leadership experience suddenly becoming say Vice President, which still doesn't address Jedi's point: Leadership through Physical combat is a sh*tty primitive custom that can be taken advantage of by someone weaker and unqualified for leadership.
I think they explained that “poor village” at the outskirts of Wakanda. Mainly for frontline defense, iirc. I was pretty underwhelmed with Black Panther as well.
The "development contrast" between urban areas and rural areas is not all that unrealistic here in Africa. He showed Johannesburg, South Africa. Maybe also show a side by side comparison of a rural village in the same South Africa. And even in urban areas, there are slums and squatter camps in and around Johannesburg.
@@thembanitheone you should say this in a main comment so that the creator can see
@@thembanitheone Thats a good point, but my issue is more so the movies not making any of these things clear when there was so much to explain and explore. Wakanda could have been amazing
So in all their technological abundance, Wakanda can't evolve its poor past mud huts? How's that supposed to work?
@@thembanitheoneYa but having slums right next to your advanced privileged mega cities is almost always evidence of a corrupt dictatorship. Especially when the rich elite are enjoying flying cars and the rest of the place lives a pre industrialized agrarian life. Comes off like north Korea.
All I have to say is thank you for this. I remember when this came out EVERYONE acted like this was the best thing they'd ever seen; an Oscar worthy marvel film. And I just felt confused and underwhelmed. I can't watch Civil War anymore because it makes me hate this movie evne more.
I know your pain very well. Check out my channel and see if anything else catchs your eye
no, ya clueless numbnut!
everyone acted and celebrated the movie as a cultural phenomenon, which IT WAS.
got nothing to do with how it was a movie. pretty sure, most people who loved it also didn't think it was a masterpiece...it IS a good film...but, how good it is as a film wasn't THE ONLY reason it was beloved and gotten all the accolades, including the Oscars.
but, d*mba$ses like U...kept thinking that a movie's merit's the only way a movie could and should be nominated for awards.
Coogler sure dropped a couple of balls..the movie's NOT perfect...but, overall...it's certainly NOT the godawful U haters tend to view it either.
the Black Panther in Civil War was tight what the character was in this film was a watered down joke of that character which is noticed from the first 10 minutes
Panyo pako
I think this how T’Challa is now after finding out he almost fucked up big time by murdering an innocent man in his revenge nd rage filled state
As a Nigerian, I've seen movies with this script too many times, it seems like a shit nollywood movie with CGI, it's really disappointing.
Even the CGI isnt that great. Watch the last fight, yuck.
@@abbacartoons and the rhino🤢
It's a character and movie aimed at black US-Americans. That's why we never really see any African nations outside of Wakanda, but it goes on and on about colonialism despite Wakanda (like Aethiopia) never having been colonised by Europeans, so isn't it kind of... hypocritical? Also, it ignores any migrations, intra-African land taking and wars among African ethnic groups and tribes centuries before Europeans even made their way south of the Sahara.
I love how in Black Panther 2 the super duper technologically advanced shields are activated and deactivated by banging on a drum... Thats not stereotypical at all. And how the hell did Namor and his army swim to Wakanda? Their country is land locked. They would've had to walk for miles and miles across heavily forested land and mountains... And how did Namor and his army get through the shields without anybody noticing, but Thanos and his army couldnt get through?
Food for thought
The way they wrote this movie, even before Boseman’s death, told me they were about to make this franchise all about women. Look at how all the women treat him as their so called king and then look at how he got embarrassed by Killmonger. This told me they were going to make black panther 2 more about Shuri and the Dora Milage. Now that bp2 is out it looks like that came true
Not really, the original plot for the Black Panther sequel was to revolve around T'Challa's relationship with his son whom he never met because he was dusted.
@@EclipsingTNT so they were gonna make him an absentee father, jeez not much better
@@Griot-GuildHe was only absent because he was dead for five years.
@@EclipsingTNT still way overdone and they already did that with Ant-Man, to randomly introduce him having a son just to make him an absentee father is beyond lame,
@@Griot-Guildit was going to be a father and son movie not an absentee one 🤦🏽♀️ what was he supposed to do not get snapped, hes aBsEnTeE🤦🏽♀️
Because Disney /Marvel marketed this movie on racial identity only. Message over story. I would've rewritten 2 characters into 1. I would've written Kilmonger to have been raised with T'Challa & let him also become the White Wolf character from the comics, instead of giving the title to Bucky.
so this white wolf guy is different from winter soldier?
@@xaevius5319
The white wold in the comics is a separate being who is pretty much the general of the military and one of the closest people to the thrown. Last time i checked he was weaker then black panther by a good bit but has more experience and combat practice with his vibrainium. He often is used as an enemy for black panther wanting different ideals
As an MCU fan, and someone who was also a Marvel fan Pre-MCU, and already liked the character Black Panther, I was excited for the movie for all of the above reasons, but I was very disappointed, and this video perfectly explains why, and why I never cared to watch the movie a second time. I often hear people like my sister call Marvel movies "predictable," but even I, someone who loves the MCU, thought that this movie was very predictable and had no essence to it. I put Black Panther in the same rank of a tasteless MCU film as Iron Man 2 and Captain Marvel.
I'm pretty sure he killed claw so he could bring him back to Wakanda and show he is more competent than T'Challa. This act gets him the support of the Rhino army at least.
that whole "30 years he's never been caught thing" is a bs plot hole so "showing he's more competent" is kind of a mute plot point. they should've just somehow made a way for killmonger to know get out guy wants gollum's head so that's why he killed him so he looks good in get out guy's eyes
Jedi Brooks:"Why does Disney hate Andy Cercis?"
Me:"Oh wow, so I'm not the only one asking that? Because I've been asking that for five years now."
The black panther flower is easily the DUMBEST thing in the MCU. Why not not give it to multiple people for cinvinience??
my favourite part of the movie is a teenage girl scientist sole worker of the lab, responsible for all vibranium innovations, without supervision.. genius who makes jokes about the sneakers.
Compared to Wakanda Forever this is a masterpiece
The fact the writers focused exclusively on Black communities and colonialism when Wakanda is literally surrounded by various nations that have people that need Wakanda more than any black community in the west ever will told me *everything* about them and their worldview.
It’s exactly why I absolutely loath Killmonger. He’s not revolutionary fighting for his people or symbol of the black struggle; he’s petty, selfish, vindictive, genocidal psychopath that wants to watch the world burn for perceived sights against him that aren’t actually there.
You ain't wrong. I thought this movie was highly overrated. I liked it, but it wasn't that good.
I liked the first 20 minutes then it all fell apart.
@@jedibrooks7235 I never liked this character but I was willing to give it a chance. In the end I didn't like this movie. The one comic book I loved that year was Deadpool 2. I thought it was funny , emotional , & action packed. I was always more of a Deadpool fan than I was a Black Panther fan.
Killmonger killing his girlfriend made all sympathy for him null, and a hypocrite considering the catalyst for how he became who he is. And yet the movie still tries to paint him as a sympathetic misunderstood soul, because oppression or whatever. Fucking amazing.
I do agree that the movie is extremely overrated, but I have to disagree with your analysis of Killmonger's story. You brought up a lot of points about things that "didn't make sense", the first of which being the fact that Killmonger kills his girlfriend and Klaw. You said that this contradicts Killmonger's role as a sympathetic villain, but does it really? There are PLENTY of villains with sympathetic, even understandable backgrounds that still do bad things in spite of it. They are called sympathetic VILLAINS for a reason. Killmonger is not a saint, the movie never tries to portray him as one. The movie is portraying him as a villain who has an almost just cause but takes very brutal and violent means to get it. That doesn't ruin his character, it builds it. It is establishes him as the "do ends justify the means" character which they intended. He is sympathetic but also does bad things, which is a defining trait that most if not ALL symathetic villains possess.
Additionally, yes, what T'Chaka does makes no sense and was a bad decision, but T'Challa and the movie both make a point of this. The whole point of T'Chaka's bad decision was that it was idiotic. It caused Killmonger to grow up into a monster, and it caused T'Challa to question the integrity and leadership of the monarchy(note the scene where he literally yells "ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG" in the spiritual plane). T'Chaka was not wrong JUST to "push the plot", T'Chaka was wrong because that IS the plot. That IS the conflict. His lack of foresight IS what caused all these issues in the first place, and the movie makes a point of the fact that he was wrong for doing so. T'Challa spends the movie trying to write this wrong, and THAT is the central conflict. Characters making bad decisions or choices that make no sense does not mean the writing doesnt make sense, it just means the characters dont
I 100 percent agree that Black Panther has many issues and is one of if not the most overrated marvel movies ever, but I just wanted to point out that small issue I had with your argument on Killmonger's character arc. Great video nontheless.
I thought the movie was boring and badly written
This movie was okay but absolutely nothing else, all it succeeded at was not being shit but that by default doesn't make it an amazing flawless movie and I'm tired of people who put it up there with Winter Soldier which has by far the best fight scenes and choreography in the entire series. This movie had rubbery crappy CGI Black Panther models you could hardly tell apart bashing in to each other.
And the story itself is just...entirely standard.
My biggest problem with the movie was that scene too. Wow i thought i was the only one.
A mastermind, who seemed amazing at figuring things out destroys two important assets. That makes no sense.
It is such lazy writing. In order to show a "bad" guy you have to make him a murderer. It's the biggest reason why so many GMs can't do evil campaigns. Evil doesn't mean mass murderer.
Bro you’ve easily just gained another subscriber. I’m glad someone made a video on Black Panther and wasn’t afraid of criticizing this movie
Who is afraid of criticizing this?,because no should be afraid a lot of people dont care if you like this movie or not, i think you're just creating a boogy man where there isn't one
I do really love the movie as it's one of my favorites, but I did feel that people held it too high at times
Great points.
I'll also add that vibranium is handled so lazily. It's just whatever the movie needs to move the plot along at that point in time - disable cars, heal spines, make weapons, make...sneakers.
Also Shuri...wtf. We're supposed to even slightly believe this average as teen is in charge of Wakanda's ENTIRE research and development division? Apparently actually she's the ONLY one as I don't recall seeing anyone assisting her RnD. An intelligent example of how this exact type of character could be handled is Q from James Bond Skyfall - a young adult at the head of RnD who actually acts intelligently (basically dorky) plus in numerous scenes we see the whole team of researchers assisting him, so his character is far more believable.
And the last fight scene, that CGI borefest, this is the most annoying thing about this movie, as here we have our 2 characters in head-to-toe suits, so the audience couldn't tell which actors were in the suits...can you imagine if they instead cast 2 martial artists for this scene? How cool would that have been - we could have had a professionally choreographed and acted fight scene, the best out of the Marvel movies and one of the best in cinema - period. The chance to have your main characters be in head-to-toe suits for a fight is so rare in storytelling. Yet the morons behind this movie went and gave us a poorly CGI'ed scene.
Pink panther FTW LOL
May as well call him flowerman would make more sense lol
what a waste of a reason to do a video on.
so CLUELESS.
Why is that? Thats a waste of a comment if you dont care to elaborate....
@@jedibrooks7235 calling the movie OVERRATED is about the dumbest thing and most cliched thing anyone can do AT THIS POINT.
the movie's NEVER been widely considered a masterpiece. it's inarguablly competent..and arguably, GOOD movie.
but, you cannot DENY that it created a cultural PHENOMENA..and a reason for people of color, especially black people, to finally get their "Hollywood blockbuster" treatment.
AND...the movie made a GAZILLION dollars worldwide.
and THAT's why it was nominated for Best Picture.
NOT because it's the gawddang best super hero movie.
NOT because it's the gawddang best movie.
man...Bohemian Rhapsody AND Green Book got nominated in the same year for Best Picture...the latter even WON it.
go make a video about THOSE ridiculousness. that's a time better used.
but, i know u WON'T get clicks for those movies...U just gotta get on the Black Panther bandwagon..ya pathetic predictable hypocrite.
Clueless to what?
If you pay attention to his character design and backstory, Stan Lee based Black Panther off a composite of Batman (he originally had a cape, ) and Cat Woman.
Jack Kirby was the one who majorly worked on it
Tiny change to the end: Killmonger says the thing about Wakandan sunsets and dies. Cut to his grave being near a cliffside with a view of the sunset.
ppl hate on me every time i say how massively overrated Black Panther is and that it would absolutely not have been praised at the level it was if it weren't an all black cast.
and don't cry racism bc honestly they're racist and stereotypical as hell to black + African ppl in this movie.
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Either I was in the bathroom when that scene happened or its been completely wiped from my memory
I agree. Except the most overrated movie was Captain Marvel
How does tchalla survive getting beaten almost to death and falling off a waterfall
Ice bath bro! Cures everything lol. No seriously wtf was that.
P L O T
How does Batman survive getting punched by Superman, Wonder Woman or battered by Deathstroke...at least T'Challa had the Wakandan version of the Super Soldier Serum in his body, which we can argue still argumented his body at least somewhat. Batman, on the other hand, is truly JUST a human, and survives things that even no fictional comicbook human character should.
The "Script" has spoken...
He was wearing a certain type of armour made of ink.
The hype this movie got when it came out was absurd. This film is an absolute joke compared to something like The Dark Knight. It is just another generic Marvel movie that got praise heaped on it because of its black cast, it doesn't do anything cinematically different compared to the plethora of movies that Marvel was pumping out at that time
I enjoyed it but yes it wasn't the script. I think Michael B Jordan & Andy Serkis made the most of what they were given. I would've loved more of them in the future but they killed them off.
Well at least it's still better than Wakanda Forever
This feels good. I have been hating this film ever since I first saw it. Everyone else however seemed to be loving it. Especially critics. I just found it dumb, underwhelming and super boring.
After watching the video: Well, other than you, I DO think that it is a terrible movie from start to finish.
Bro I was so annoyed when they killed klaw since he was such a fun villain and we had been waiting 3 years since his intro in age of ultron
im seeing a serious lack of diversity in this movie ?
This just felt like a film made for people who never read a history book or travelled in their life.
Their depiction of African culture felt so shallow, superficial and forced, just for the sake of getting "mainstream" points, I felt like they were trying to show that Wakanda is a utopian society where everyone is always happy and gets along solely because they're traditional tribal Africans, or because they have a lot of wealth from the Vibranium (because money solves all problems of a society).
All ruling class interactions were soft as fuck and the writing very lazy in that regard. There is a ruling class that has 100% control over all the Vibranium in the world, the head of the state has strong control over the ruling class, and their loyalty, and all one has to do to become the leader of this state is kill the king in a fair 1 on 1 battle, more then that, the king can fight multiple battles in a row.
To recap, the city lives in harmony, and no one takes over the ruling class, it's just not believable with such soft ruling, it ruins all believability of this, the only reason given for this stability and harmony is because tribal Africans are just peaceful(?).
I mean try to think of this exact starting situation in a better written universe, for example game of thrones.
The movie showed devastating effects black on black violence and the absence of family support can do to orphan kid, and showed that how much damage such a child could cause growing up. This is the most important message the movie tried to tell the audience.
Was that their idea or something we told ourselves that they didn't think about
@@abhijithis9424 exactly. these people try to make their own meaning and their own headcanons and stuff and tricking themselves into thinking that the movie did that and not them on their own
Why does it have to be black on black violence all violence is devastating to someone
I can believe they were 'trying' to accomplish that. I do not believe they succeeded. Especially since they took their clearly intelligent, patient, and ruthless while also compassionate character (the victim of the real atrocities your describing above) and turned him into a raging, petulant child with no real, intelligent plan for long-term success in overcoming those atrocities, both for himself and others. Kill Monger deserves better than that.
The movie was pretty average by MCU standards and garbage by movie standards.
Watched it in theaters and thought “ok, whatever”.
Well maybe you are right on not liking Tchalla's character shift after civil war. But most of the things you mention here are things that you got plainly wrong. And I know I'm a lot late (as I recently found your channel but I'll still gonna answer them).
1. "Tchalla becoming black panther after Civil war during the first fight scene with MBaku."
No. He was already a black panther before. What we saw on the movie was a ritual which is followed (most probably yearly) where a person of thier tribe can challenge for the mantle of black panther. That's why when MBaku challenged Tchalla he first drank herbs which makes his enhanced Black Panther power disappear. Then after the fight he was given the Black Panther herb again. So that's by his father died with that blast as he didn't possess the power of black panther.
2. "Why Killmonger killed the pilot?"
He wasn't just any pilot. He was Klaue's man so he was a trained criminal/gangster or whatever you want to call him who would've shot Killmonger for attacking Klaue.
3. "Why he shot his girlfriend?"
Klaue was holding her as human shield thinking he cares about her and it was an obvious "if you try to kill me I'll shoot your loved one" scenario. So Killmonger was just making him realise that he doesn't give a single f#ck about that girl. He just used her for his missions and was just making it clear that there's nothing Klaue can do to stop Erik. He doesn't have any leverage over him. And also it shows his character that he can go to any extent to complete his mission.
4."Why he killed Kalue?"
Klaue stole vibranium from Wakanda ( which we saw in Age of ultron) During that process he killed many of the Wakandan people. He was the only criminal who did all these crimes against Wakanda and still roaming freely and not getting caught after many attempts by Wakandans. So Killmonger knew that if he bring Klaue to Wakanda people will take him seriously as the person who did something not their King has been able to do.
5. "Why didn't he killed Klaue many years before?"
Because it isn't like he was with Klaue for all those years. He served in American Navy doing various off the book missions. He contacted Klaue regarding the Vibranium tool in museum which they rob at the start. You can assume most of these just based on their conversation. Then Wakandans knew about stolen Vibranium tool from museum. And Killmonger knew that if Klaue make any deal with another party to sell this item it will again bring Klaue in Wakandan's radar. Tchalla and Okoye went to prevent the same dealing and catch Klaue. Which they failed again. So Killmonger again proved himself more capable by killing Klaue and taking him to Wakanda.
6. "How his lip tattoo was enough to get in Wakanda?"
It's not some tattoo that he made in some tattoo shop. It was the symbol of Wakandan's which they got through their genes (Now I don't know the logic behind it) which proved him to be Wakandan that's why he wasn't some outsider for Wakandans.
7." Tchaka didn't tell about his brother nor his kid to Wakandans."
That's because he killed his own brother. And he was taking weapons out of Wakanda and giving it to other black people to fight against Whites. He didn't tell people about killing him is just because despite being a King he still would've been questioned by Wakandans that whether he did it just to remain a king. And this would've been much more simpler and stresafree than explaining what he did and why he did to each and every one.
8. "Why Tchaka left the kid?"
He wasn't a fully Wakandan as his mother was some outsider. Most of the people in Wakanda doesn't even knew that his brother is married. And Erik was sole witness to what happened to his father. So that's why he left him.
9. "How Killmonger knew that specifically the guy (Okoye's husband) wanted Klaue?"
Klaue killed many Wakandans while stealing Vibranium. So every Wakandans wanted him including the King as he was the Criminal for Wakandans. So Killmonger's plan was to hand Klaue to any Wakandans. It was just a movie plot that Killmonger founf Okoye's husband first. (Okay, I don't remember his name.)
10. "Why Tchalla accepts Killmonger's challenge?"
Because when he saw Erik's ring (which was the ring for Wakandan Royal family) he asked that old guy who was with his father about truth and knew what happened with Erik. So Erik was definitely a Royal blood so it was his right to challenge for Throne (as per Wakandan tradition) and he also challenged for mantle of black panther. Other tribe people accepted it as he was rightful heir. And Tchalla accepted it as he was obviously good at heart.
11. "Killmonger's motivation?"
His dad saw black people suffering all over the world. So he wanted to help them as they had technology to make weapons in Wakanda which was prohibited (by Wakandan rules or whatever). It was Erik's dad's ideology to provide weapons to all black people and let them fight with the people who are opressing them. So Killmonger simply followed his father's ideology and as he saw Tchaka killing his father (I mean he didn't really saw it but he knew it) so he wanted to take revenge with Tchaka's family too.
AND AT LAST
12. "How did Erik managed to survive for that long after being stabbed?".
"Come on dude at the start of the video you were saying if King Tchaka had power of black panther then he should've survived the attack in which he died. So why can't Killmonger managed to hold on for 10 minutes after being stabbed as he too had the power of thay Vibranium herb." I know it was just to give him proper death scene. But if you were agreeing with one thing then the other thing isn't that bad too.
So yeah that's my take on what things you've understood wrong which made this movie and specially Killmonger less likable for you.
And those who've read this damn long comment Thanks 😂
Well said
Best comment so far.
@@rwmartinez1262 Still too late though 😂
All this film did was reaffirm what we already knew about t'challah there was no point in those stupid duels with his "powers" removed and the god awful final battle.
For years I'm too scared to call out Killmonger as a terrible character, I'm glad I found this video
This movie is undeniable proof that all you need to make a villain people will embrace wholeheartedly is for him to spout off over and over again how “white people be evil”. It’s pretty disgusting really.
That's not what he is but good job on lying for white devils who won't see as an equal