I do not monetize so this isn't for $, fame or views. Just my opinion on the key players of this situation. In the end the kids racing community looses.
You sir have hit the nail right on the head...Perfect analysis...I wanna add one more thing...Steve Mathis of Pulp MX should be ashamed for being a puppet for who he works for...
yea his vid was a stupid attempt to support the side that collaborated to take the kids choice away. Then he tries to be kind of pro Brennan as well. Tells me he sees what we see but is an industry worker in the same swamp.
At least Steve says he’s bias kinda but weegg I don’t like. You can tell he will say whatever the machine what’s them to, so he doesn’t lose his spot to a real retired rider
Agreed; too many conflicts of interest involved that should not have been. Should have been Brennan, Star Racing Yamaha, and AMA. He made a claim, fronted cash, ruffled feathers and that's when wheels started turning. If it were a true amateur bike, Star should have been more accepting of the transaction and each party should have went their way. Nuff said
Yeah I agree. The AMA failed us again. Yamaha and the Deegans got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and the AMA let them get away with it. Here's my rub, Haiden is talented as hell and he works hard. He's the last one to need to be running all that trick gear, but they ran it anyways and they got caught. It's BS, I feel bad for Brennan. If you see this Brennan.....it was a brilliant idea and I really wish it'd have worked out. That took some big cajones!
Yep, Yamaha said Haiden cant handle the full pro bike yet. But they are also getting him ready for a pro Nat. So they are adding the pieces to the puzzle getting him ready for the 100% pro bike. He is closer than Yamaha wants us to believe.
I totally agree with everything you've said. Brian put a video out pretty quickly after cooksy and claimed it was like watching CNN for fake news, but then deleted it. Then there's pictures supposedly being circulated by Brian from Brennan where he's saying stuff about Haiden, as if to make the bike claim a personal attack on haiden and discredit Brennan. In an interview, brennan wanted to make it clear that he'd not done that. Brennan also has the text messages from his trainer telling him to go see him. I can see that Brian was annoyed, but rather than drumming up all the troops to take this kid down, he shouldn't have got involved. He knew the bike was still theirs until after the last race and he should have just concentrated on keeping haiden chilled out. It sounds like a nasty situation where everyone had had a chance to get their stories somewhere near after seeing what brennan and the engine builder said. That's just my two pence worth.
You are 100% correct. Brennan's sponsor was told by walker that "this wouldn't end well" plus plus plus. The dealership pulled it's sponsorship. it's a crummy deal. if yamaha doesn't want their bikes with unobtanium to be claimed then they should know better then to come to amatuer races with pro level bikes. yes, you better believe that the factory can impose restrictive inventories and hurt a dealership. walker couldn't even face the camera when answering and sharing his BS story. there is no side to be on. if you want to race, you run the risk of having your bike claimed. and yes you cater, but rules must be followed otherwise change the rules. the deegans are very influential and im sure they were emotional but they never should have bullied this kid. they certainly knew they had hand made parts on the bike. you are correct on the failures. one thing is for certain...it isn't Brennan's fault but he stands to lose the most.
We're you there? That's rhetorical! Everything you just stated is based on emotion and supposition! Can you prove that Brennan was bullied or do you just want to make the Deegans out to be evil rich elitists? I'll go with the latter. You don't know what the dealer was told or said, you're just suggesting that they dropped Brennan due to pressure from Yamaha, but if it was me I would put as much distance between my Yamaha dealership and Brennan because I wouldn't want to be associated with the mess this created by him. Sorry, but I'm sure that guys livelihood and the sponsorship of other riders is worth more to him than dying on the sword for one kid that could potentially destroy his business. Business is business and Brennan is no innocent or dummy. He knew full well what he was doing when he made the decision to go after Deegans bike more than 6 months ago. I still say that this was more than likely a publicity stunt concocted between Derek Harris, Brennan and Brennans Dad that went sideways and did not produce the desired results. I'll ask the same question I've been asking: where is Brennans Dad? According to engine builder Derek Harris, he asked Mr. Schofield what happened to him at the time that Brennan was to claim the bike and he supposedly stated he forgot about it? The kids Dad, that brought him to Lorettas knowing full well that their primary purpose of being there was to claim Haiden Deegans bike, forgot about it?! The same Dad who told Brennan that he wanted to claim the bike that he would have to come up with all the money himself?! So where is Brennans Dad? Where are you Mr. Schofield and why don't you have something to say about this? He's your child! Why are you not defending him and protecting him from these so-called bullies? Why are you not being interviewed? Sorry kids, but I call BS on this!
@@channeljrs dont need to be there. listened to hours of testimonial. bike was claimed and paid for. kid was bullied by all. kid lost his sponsorship. kid didn't get the bike. no one tried to make anyone out to be evil. they all did that to themselves
@@peaceprayer595 ive watched every interview as well and could spend hours picking apart Brennan Schofield and Derek Harrisons recounting of the events. You listened to hours of opinion, not verified fact. So unless you were absolutely there you're just spewing out more opinion and opinions are like asholes, everybody's got one! This guy, Cooksey, Livesay, Johnny whatshisface and the rest of these click seeking channels should be sued for defamation! You just see and hear what you want to see and hear probably because of envy and hatred for those who are more successful than you.
@@channeljrs youre entitled to your opinion. Ill be sustaining my view for now. Might even start sponsorsing a rider again and show up next yeat just to claim a few of those cheater bikes. Wont go like this did
@@channeljrs so aren't you doing the same? Yet, you seem so passionately sure of your statements. Simmer down, son. No need to get your metal mullisia undies in a wad.
In my eyes, I don’t trust Brian Deegan anymore, he knows what he was doing and knew that there was valuable parts on Haiden’s bike! I definitely know he was talking to multiple people to get this claim rescinded, they bullied this Kid and now Deegan is posting he’s the victim
agreed. If he would've stayed out of it, he wouldn't look bad. His involvement reinforces there is something wrong in all of this. They can't keep that bike for sentimental reasons, it's not theirs. It's Stars bike. So many misinformation talking points used to try and support a "reason" in order to hide the real reason.
I agree about the comment Deegan made. A bike claim wouldn't defame the Deegan family, but everyone knowing Haiden was riding an illegal bike would definitely set their brand back a bit. Brian doesn't make that comment unless he was scared of what was going to come out of that engine.
@@cw93711 sorry, youre completely wrong on this. so let's get it straight. Schofield, said they didn' t need to cheat for Deegan to win and he wasn't calling them cheaters. Fact is, at this point, only yamaha knows if they are cheating or not since NOBODY had miked the bike or anything else related to specifications. YOU have no more factual evidence the bike was legal than it was illegal. Fact
@@peaceprayer595 it's a mod class. Basically you can't cheat unless you made it a 300 cc bike or something like that. Schofield said deegan wasn't wasn't cheating. If anyone thought he was cheating they could have filed a protest for 500 bucks and had motor torn down to see if he was cheating. You don't claim a bike to see if someone is cheating. Haiden could be on a 100k bike and it would be legal. Schofield had 25k into his bike according to engine builder as engine was 10k alone, so that's more that 2 times MSRP.
@@cw93711 ok...repect for you points, but nobody was trying to claim schofields bike? the point of the rule is to "keep it reasonable" and as equal as possible. if you put so much $$$ into your bike that your are unwilling to follow the claim rule and use all your industry leverages to basically fk everyone who gets in your way, it's a form of cheating imho. i know it's a technicality and I also know bore and stroke are virtually the only way to "cheat" in this class in terms of immediate disqualification. but an utterly ubsurd advantage based on a cosmic amounts of money including R&D thrown at a bike is cheating...otherwise, the ama wouldn't have the claim rule...again, it's not cheating in the pure black and white sense becuase you can essentially do whatever you want to the bike, bbbbuuuuutttt. repeat: if you put so much $$$ into your bike that your are unwilling to follow the claim rule and use all your industry leverages to basically fk everyone who gets in your way, it's a form of cheating imho. ....you may never see my point and that's ok. Let's ride. :)
Nailed it all from the business side but it’s also sad that no one would stand up to the rule. Why should ppl lose business or sponsorship over a written rule and standing up against those who think they’re above the rules? This is exactly how our government works also and it’s based on greed!!! I feel sad for all these people involved and Brennan has lost the worst. Weather truth was told about what Brennan’s intentions were with the bike he simple saw an opportunity, followed the simple rule and was right about his choices of it possibly being a factory bike. If it wasn’t he would have a Yamaha and none of this would be going on. I like the Deegans and the kids good and works hard no doubt!! Like most say he would have won on a stock bike. So why run the risk of this? I wonder this of Star Racing also. Maybe because it’s pretty much unheard of being done, they have enough pull to get out of it like they have? Money rules when you get caught. I don’t think they’re cheaters they just got caught and this is exactly why the rule!! Sad for the whole industry in the end.
Claim bike get bike simple!! What's the problem .pro bike I in amateur race..should of rode stock bike.. star Yamaha fup..pay up to rules . attorney needs to be called in $$$$
It a mod class. It should not be a stock bike. If you want a stock bike you race in limited or stock class. Not the mod class where you can run what you bring. No cheating even per Schofield.
Probably the best take on the whole thing, so far. It doesn’t matter what happened before this. Brennan has been right next to that bike and watched it walk right by his. He knew exactly what they had.
yep, but after the Canadian sponsor was brought in and Brennan's dad met with him in Walker's pit, the dad made the choice, not Brennan. Brennan respected his dad in all of this and said ok, to his dad's decision. That's the sign of a good kid.
yeah if you see this any different youre silly in my opinion. it's pretty cut and dry and to have all those people on the Yamaha side team up over a amateur spec bike. it's comical. that was Yamaha works bike. nothing less. dude this was refreshing as fuck. just calling it
Thank for telling this story for some reason this story makes me so mad so unfair to all the kids in the race hope the AMA and all the up and coming kids will make it fair to all that races
Matt Walker gave me his jersey at 98 Millville! Hey wait... He gave it to my GF and she gave it to me! Do you think? Either way, good trade! Of coarse he is agro, it's motocross! You guys already made a 4 stroke class for sissies! Do not turn this sport into tennis! MFer better be agro, he raced REAL motocross. Let's focus on the route of the problem. Deegan vs Brennan cage match! That's what my dad would say. This is just a plain and simple pissing match and you guys wanna make lawyers rich! The boys fight fair and shake hands. Is this the Metal Militia, or has my life been a sham? Tell Deegan I want to pay per view it and the plan is under copy right law... Or insert whatever my lawyer would say. What are we teaching our youth? Comp is fine, no person is capable of living by the rules Mr. Ghost rider and when you are caught breaking rules what do we do? I remember somebody passing a hat that I put money into, to help pay your fine. Time for you to kick in biotch! You have a lot of sunshine that you have earned over the years. Spread the love and bring it full circle. Use it as an opportunity to show your gifted children to Sack up once in a while. We are a community and we are your consumer. What are you selling today?
I think we can pretty much say that 99% of us agree with you, The only thing is that the one percent that doesn’t has the power and money with all the connections
Exactly how is it that Matt walker the Canadian dealer and a Yamaha executive doing all in the same pit at 1030pm. There’s no such thing as Coincidence
You're absolutely right about how they all failed the kids of amateur racing. That was a good point to make. Did the sponsor let Schofield finish the Canadian national though? Brennen said he got the text on a Thursday, the same day he blew a motor - which was why he couldn't continue to finish all his motos. I don't think the sponsor did wait to let him finish the national. And those motors Donnie promised from Yamaha to drop the claim sure didn't make it to him in time either.
Brennan said he blew his last good motor and was done and the sponsor then asked for the bikes. Sometimes Brennan says things to make him look better in a situation.
The motor builder put up the money, he called a week before LL's and ask the same AMA guy who was in the trailor with Brennan about the claim rule, the motor guy clearly has problems with his Yamaha motors, and now all the sudden this Brennan kid can't afford to buy a new bike, yet had $17grand at the time of the claim, wheres that money, you can not claim a bike for someone else, the kid has been cought in a few lies already, everyone should wait a few weeks for more to come to light, Brennan hated HD3, his posts proved it, and the kid shouldnt of been allowed to claim the bike without his dad there!!!
Running a factory bike is TOTALLY LEGAL for the mod classes. You're going off on a tangent about the bike being modded or a factory bike. That is NOT a problem for the mod bike classes. It's just that that bike is now open to be claimed. The kid getting pushed to drop the claim was the problem. Get your head wrapped around the rules for the classes before you get too wound up over the bike Itself. The sponser dropping Brennan was a bogus move. The engine builder can't keep the Yamaha from blowing up after short time. He is the one who pushed Brennan to make the claim. He "coached" him through the entire process before it was done & was the one to MAKE SURE Brennan got to the officials to make the claim. That guy is a lying snake by pretending he didn't care about opening the engine & suspension to see what they do to it. He had EVERYTHING to gain by that claim. Do you NOT think Honda, Kawasaki or any of the other manufacturers or private builders WOULDN'T want to see what makes it tick if they had the chance? Of course they would!! I would as well. If the builder just came out & admitted that, I wouldn't have a problem with him. He used Brennan & the others all crapped on Brennan & now he has nothing.
These comments are talking points from other forums. The "Mod" class is an incorrect assessment. My point is this.... the rules allowed a claim to prevent the mods. lol. Brennan claimed the bike. The other side went ballistic trying everything to stop this. Who cares why. They did something that wasnt cool.
Brennan was on Johnny Hopper's TH-cam channel yesterday ( 8/16 )and he had to turn in 5 bikes to the dealership before the race in Canada which is their version of Loretta Lynn's. He didn't claim the bike in the end and lost his bike deal as well.
@@bknoxx sorry if this comes off string not that you give a rats rearend of respect for experience but i owned my own dealership in upstate ny...i also worked at four of the top performing multiline dealerships in the entire country from 84 to 2018. I was sent to thing valley by kawasaki to ride with jeremy at his private track for having the most kxf sales...was part of hondas project insight team regarding the last gen crf450 changes. Supported multiple riders in supercross and motocross from the dealership level having many in the top 20 and one who was 6th overall in Supercross.. Was a student development advisor for mmi in orlando florida helping decide what techs would work for the factories, feld motorsports, babbits etc. If i told you husqvarna offered 38k measly dollars for one of our techs to do one of their top riders race and practice bikes 4 years ago you probably wouldnt beleive that either. I've never been a politically correct guy sometimes to my own hurt... Make no mistake about it... you can bet your last dollar yamaha leveraged not giving up that bike and they wont give much regard for who gets bulldozed in the process. They happily make it look and smell so pretty youll wanna suck on it like a lollipop. One thing i really don't care for in the mx spotight is how clean cut and perfect appearing they all seem so nice and professional. Its a dirty arena of political bs. These internet guys kissing ass so they dont lose their respective inroads makes my stomach turn. So yeah, your damn right ill formulate an intelligent conclusion standing up for whats right. Now...lets ride.
@@peaceprayer595 lol that's cool man.. im not here to argue because i dont know the truth as does anyone else.. im sure both sides are lying, the kids stories dont always add up, and did Yamaha put pressure on the dealer or was it just the dealership thats what i want to know
I don't believe that Brian wasn't aware of the Rule. I'd bet that they joked about it Haha what if someone claims our bike?. In the days before the race. I'm guessing on this but do yall believe that he didn't know that rule 🤔 ?
People are looking at this totally wrong… Brennen himself is a Motorcycle Mechanic, Derek Harris backed that up stating “He’s an outstanding Mechanic, if I had the means, I would hire him in a second to build motors with me”. _(That being said)_ Donnie Luce claimed that he offered to make a number of crate motors available for him because he keeps blowing up motors _(but Yamaha’s are the top bikes right now…)_ Brennen & Derek Harris both claimed “Donnie Luce warned we have a lot of technology in this engine which Yamaha doesn’t want released to the public” & “these engines wouldn’t be able to be serviced by anyone, not even him” _[pointing at Motor Builder Derek Harris]_ I think they were using the throw-away 3rd moto as a way to test the feasibility of something like a Variable Valve timing Camshaft _(like how Honda’s VTEC system works, where the camshaft’s lobes are all two sizes & when it hits a certain RPM the cam shifts making the valves open twice as large)_ or electronically controlled valves, which are independently controlled by the ECU & a traditional camshaft at all…
good point. I also believe there was some sort of throttle/clutch/traction monitoring system involved for launch control. That alone is likely priceless. All good points you have.
@@flooded3456 I genuinely don’t believe it’s an enhanced Starting Device _(starts are a feel thing)_ & the more I think about it, the more I believe it’s gotta be a Camless Valvetrain which uses Electronic Valve Control… because with a _VTEC_ system, you’re limited to _Standard_ cam profile (equal valve lift to the non-VTEC versrion of the same motor) & the _VTEC_ half of the cam lobes, but with _Electronic Valve Control,_ the valve lift & timing would be continuously variable….so it could be tuned with proprietary tuning software from a laptop & Electronic Valve control would make for less rotating mass & less turning weight inside the engine… At the same time, we’re at the beginning of a second motocross engine revolution _(like the one Doug Henry began in 1997)_ Electric Bikes are making their mark…we’ll have to see how this all goes…
those engines have known issues. He wanted that bike because it had $50-$90K in it and he would be getting a steal on a great bike for his next race in Canada which is their LL equivalent.
I’d like to get more info on this RallyE Motoplex sponsor, why did he just do a statement, why’s he dodging interviews? Does he got something to hide? Why did he pull Brennan’s dad to the side to talk to him? What did he say to him? Where’s that interview at?
Who the hell are you ? And why does your opinion matter …. Ever here from all the key players …… just doing it for views at this point it’s been covered and covered and talked about plenty ! Thanks for making a redundant video riding the wave
Smart man. He said everything I was thinking just couldn't put into words. Thanks for articulating that story. I love the deegans to man sucks all around to know this how it really is in the world is.
The only way Schofield wins, is to stay with the claim! Now, his sponsor aka a snake, dropped him! Is Donnie Luce still going to help Brennan? What’s he going to give him 2 motors with no bike to put them in! There’s a lot of trust issues with this deal now!
And what's crazy is I heard that Haiden ran that next race with a newly installed crate motor and still won by a lot. So he never really even needed the factory bike. I wasn't necessarily a Deegan hater but, this whole thing really stunk. Brian Deegan should never have been alone in that room without the kids parents being there. I'm also a lifelong Yamaha rider but, this was shameful.
I agree that this has gained too much traction. Although motocross badly needs attention to keep it growing in the mainstream this only stirs the base. In fact more people are talking about this, than the fact that Chase just did what is impossible in mentally overcoming the Eli Effect. This vid of mine was just a summary of the obvious. Hopefully soon we can get back to Eli winning again. :)
The only one who can gain anything is Brennan? Um... Nope, sorry. It's weird that Brennan's dad wasn't there... but the engine builder was. The engine builder has also been on record stating when he heard "Brennan's plan" he was "all in"(his words) from the "very beginning"... Let that sink in. The whole cheating thing is BS... anyone of the 41 other riders coulda protested the bike without needing to spend 17K. If you look at this as law enforcement would during an investigation you ask certain questions. Who had the most to gain? Who has a motive and who's motive is strongest? Maybe the guy who's on record having said "my youtube channel would blow up if I could get that bike on the dyno in my shop". Who would make money off seeing the inside of the motor? Who builds mod motors for amateurs? The answers to all these types of law enforcement questions point to the engine builder. The engine builder had the absolute most to gain. He might not have come up with the idea, but as he said, he was "all in". So is the motor guy your brother??? lol.
I have heard all the stories. I have researched this kid. He has a hatred for Deegan,his social media proves this. I don't believe his motor guy for 1 minute. My opinion is that #1 Yamaha knows the rules #2 Yamaha should have gave up the bike #the kids legal guardian or parent should have been present. # Deegan should have not went into a closed room with a minor.Many kid's and parents are jealous of Deegan. He has pushed to make sure his kid is on the best available equipment. Watch his interview on Gypsy Tales podcast on TH-cam and see how he answers the question about the jealous people. This is gonna blow over,but I think this kid's chances of a factory ride are gone along with any major sponsorship.
I agree 100% with this statement, other than his hatred for Deegan. Some historical posts claimed to be Schofields are being refuted as shopped and not from Brennan. Who really knows who cares. The fact is the AMA process was botched.
Schofields dad didn't show up for anything involved with this. He left kid to do it all on his own. That's why he was always alone. But Schofield said deegan did nothing wrong, sending builder side t same thing
If this was about racing BRENDAN'S should have posted a photo on social media of his cash saying he will claim DEEGANS bike before the race . . Why the AMBUSH and pre meditative way he did it ?
@@flooded3456 He pre meditates it . Why didn't he claim another bike if was just about getting a better bike ? If this bike claim didn't work. Where there alternate motives?
@@Simon-Simon-Simon he answers this question clearly in one of his interviews: I ride Yamaha, I wanted a Yamaha not a KTM or one of the other bikes. He said he specifically wanted the best 250 f out there and felt it was Degans.
the entire point of the claim rule is to steathly be able to call out cheates and claim their bike bro. if you anounce ahead of time it defeats the whole purpose.
Sounds great but as you stated your supposition is just that. As for Brennan and the engine builder Derek Harris he stated early on in an interview that he was barely familiar with the Schofield family and didn't really get to know them until Lorettas, but then turns around and says that when Brennan tells him that he was going to claim Deegans bike all of a sudden Brennan was his guy and he would have his back, no matter what! Then when Harris was asked why he was advocating for Brennan and not Brennans dad, Harris stated that he spoke with the father later and the father told him he forgot that Brennan was going to make the claim. Brennans Father forgot?! He forgot about what would be the most controversial thing Brennan would do in his motorcycle riding career after he told the kid he would have to spend 6 months earning the balance of the money he needed to claim the bike?! Really? I call BS! Something else was going on and Derek Harris and the Schifields were in on this together, but they didn't expect things to go sideways like they did! And where is Mr. Schofield? Why is nobody talking about why he wasn't there to represent his kid? Why is nobody interviewing Brennans dad? As for Brennan, going back to his interview with Cooksey, he kept referring to himself as a minor during his interactions with the promoter, Deegan, etc. but he never asked to have his father present to defend him? I say the kid has been coached and that this was all a publicity stunt that failed miserably. Go and look at the Derek Harris interview with Livesay, he does nothing but back peddle and apologize for making accusations against all parties involved. I think your operating out of emotion and not facts here
I am operating based on what each party said, Not what he said he said she said. I agree the dad should've been there. My whole vid is about the way the rule was not followed and the kid lost out from outside pressures. It does not matter where his money came from, who persuaded him to do it or any of that. It is about big groups uniting to fight small groups and then lying to look moral within the industry. My only emotional connection is how the industry will do and hoping motocross succeeds in the end. I'm a racer first, analyst 2nd.
@@flooded3456 So then, where in the rules does it state that the party/parties being claimed cannot question the validity of the claim or the individual making the claim? Why is there no stipulation that a "minor" (under 18) has to have a parent present to insure the appropriate actions are taken? You say you're not getting into he said, she said, yet you are making allegations and accusations that there was collusion on the part of the Yamaha team to cover up a cheating scheme by supposedly building a pro bike for Haiden Deegan when you have no real proof. You further go on to essentially defame the Deegans by basically stating that because they're rich that they have more privileges than other people involved in the sport, and that they are basically given a pass when it comes to cheating. I'm not sure what you or any of the other TH-cam channels think you have the right to say, but if I were Yamaha or Brian Deegan, there are a number of people I would go after here for slanderous and defamatory accusations with no real basis of truth, but that's just me. I think they have too much restraint and class for that and just want to move on. On the other hand, guys like you and Brennan and his family seem to want to perpetuate this tale of woe and continue slinging arrows for clicks. In the end, I hope Brennan is able to bounce back from this.
@@channeljrs Here is a copy/paste of the rules once the bike is claimed. there is no provision given to the "owner" of said claimed bike, only to the one claiming: "Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of sale". Yamaha, Deegans and anyone else had to state they needed bike for next day's race. Yet the rule doesnt even address this and the AMA couldve told Yamaha, "too bad". Shouldve brought 2 bikes, the rules are the rules." I am glad they didnt do this. that would've been unfair to Haiden. They shouldve proceeded the way they did with sealing impounding and monitoring.
sorry if this comes off strog not that most will give a rats rearend of respect for experience but i owned my own dealership in upstate ny and worked at four of the top performing multiline dealerships in the entire country from 84 to 2018. I was sent to thing valley by kawasaki to ride with jeremy at his private track for having the most kxf sales...was part of hondas project insight team regarding the last major crf450 changes. Supported multiple riders in supercross and motocross from the dealership level having many in the top 20 and one who was 6th overall in Supercross.. I was a student development advisor for mmi in orlando florida helping decide what techs would work for which factories, feld motorsports, babbits etc. If i told you husqvarna offered 38000 measly dollars for one of our techs to do one of their top riders both race and practice bikes 4 years ago you probably wouldnt believe that either. I've never been a politically correct guy sometimes to my own hurt... Make no mistake about it... you can bet your last dollar yamaha leveraged not giving up that bike and they wont give much regard for who gets bulldozed in the process. They happily make it look and smell so pretty youll wanna suck on it like a lollipop. One thing i really don't care for in the mx spotight is how clean cut and perfect appearing they all seem so nice and professional. Its a dirty arena of political bs. These internet guys kissing ass so they dont lose their respective inroads makes my stomach turn. So yeah, your damn right ill formulate an intelligent conclusion standing up for whats right. I get unwriten rules. That kid let that bike go back and got fkd in the process. Now...lets ride. I’ll be in the over 60 group.
I may do another video on this claim rule. Not anything to do with the Deegans or anyone involved in this. Lorettas has become a spectacle and when you have a following like Haiden does, that's a lot of fans there on your side no matter what you do, right or wrong. The claim rule needs to be such that the claimer is never known. The money is given to the bike owner by the AMA and the bike and title is given to claimer by the AMA after the event with no mention of who they are. I have other ideas like this to keep this more discreet and safer in an ever growing social media world where all news is old news within 15 minutes.
Motorcycle manufacturers don’t look at franchises like you’re suggesting, manufactures want dealers whom sell motorcycle, not all dealers can sell motorcycles so manufacturers aren’t dumping a “selling dealer” for something this trivial. The rest I think you’re right.
this may seem offensive but the factories leverage dealerships ALL the time to get them to do what they want. even the signage and displays are inside the dealership are controlled by the factories. if you don't do what they want, they cut your supply chain, fine you and treat you like an outcast. sorry if this comes off strog not that most will give a rats rearend of respect for experience but i owned my own dealership in upstate ny and worked at four of the top performing multiline dealerships in the entire country from 84 to 2018. I was sent to thing valley by kawasaki to ride with jeremy at his private track for having the most kxf sales...was part of hondas project insight team regarding the last major crf450 changes. Supported multiple riders in supercross and motocross from the dealership level having many in the top 20 and one who was 6th overall in Supercross.. I was a student development advisor for mmi in orlando florida helping decide what techs would work for which factories, feld motorsports, babbits etc. If i told you husqvarna offered 38000 measly dollars for one of our techs to do one of their top riders both race and practice bikes 4 years ago you probably wouldnt believe that either. I've never been a politically correct guy sometimes to my own hurt... Make no mistake about it... you can bet your last dollar yamaha leveraged not giving up that bike and they wont give much regard for who gets bulldozed in the process. They happily make it look and smell so pretty youll wanna suck on it like a lollipop. One thing i really don't care for in the mx spotight is how clean cut and perfect appearing they all seem so nice and professional. Its a dirty arena of political bs. These internet guys kissing ass so they dont lose their respective inroads makes my stomach turn. So yeah, your damn right ill formulate an intelligent conclusion standing up for whats right. I get unwriten rules. That kid let that bike go back and got fkd in the process. Now...lets ride. I’ll be in the over 60 group.
@@peaceprayer595 well I sure can’t touch your resume but I too started working at a dealership out of high school(1983) and have experience with the big four and most of the European brands, started as a lot tech and did every job up to GM ..(never owned a shop) all I can say is in my experience a manufacturer never asked anything outside the franchise dealer agreement. I do not believe the dealer was contacted by manufacturer, I do believe the dealer is involved in the racing community and wants to protect his “status” within that racing community. I had a heated argument with a European company about carpet color, if they could have pulled our franchise, they would have .. we had devolved to F bombing each other. I suspect If a manufacturer pulled a franchise out side the scope of franchise agreement there would be legal ramifications… and no you didn’t seem offensive.
@@scottbrown8142 i respect your opinion and experience. Mine has simply been vastly different. When Victory decided to end their business, they made a public statement before notifying the dealers. I was really glad the closure of a franchise bore specific rights in Florida. Polaris is still on my hate list. I could go on and on with examples like this of factories "boning" the dealersip. We had one of the largest online presence for parts, gear and accessories. We reversed two numbers once and kawasaki immediately billed our parts department a 5000$ fine for MAP violation. No warning no offer to work with us... nothing. We fought and threatened them and they finally gave in. The second time it happened they kept the 5k. That was the month I quit the dealership for good. You understand I'm talking about honest mistakes here like one price out of thousands of sku's was listed incorrectly? We had a sign from like the 70s and in the early 90s we refused to change it. It was like 18k at the time which was a large sum of money. Understand that the pole the electrics etc.. everything needed to be changed to accommodate the new sign. We were heavily threatened by the powers that be that the upgrade was necessary to stay in grace or else they would force legal action per our dealer agreement. I have multitudes of stories like this. Some of the stuff I've seen sincerely was insane. If you've never had a pro rider in the top ten, i simply don't beleive you could understand that political frenzy. One unacceptable sponsor on a privateer bike and you will get Zero air time even though your rider is in second place for half the race. Blah blah blah...
@@scottbrown8142 they could never close down the dealership but they must certainly could and would limit your supply chain for not playing by their preferences
@@peaceprayer595 it’s obvious you know the industry well, I’ve had the same type of experiences with exception of Polaris. I was working in a southern Ca yam/kaw shop as a C tech when they took on Polaris in 87. They were junk, I had a jig at my bench to bend the frame support just to finish PDI. Nobody wanted to work on them so I got stuck with, however I learned how to make money with them. Soon I became the Polaris dude. Being a “Polaris dude” opened up opportunities and pay that I don’t think would have been there otherwise. But back to the did Manufacturer threaten dealers franchise? You know yama race rep to dealer is not a straight across path, race rep would have to go up his chain until it reached a manger that had power over the dealers reps chain up.. I’m guessing 10 to 12 people, up the chain then down the other chain. I can’t believe a manager at the top of that chain would approve of a tactic that would end up in litigation. Did a race rep call around “to his buddies” sure you can assume that happened. I’ve also heard the trainer is trying to get into promoting and you know how racing and all the clicks work. In the late 80s/early 90s I was at southern ca race tracks every weekend, very familiar with the drama. I guess my only point is I don’t believe the manufacturer, on a corp level, threatened the dealer. I do think a race rep could have called a dealer friend to friend. Course he’s now opened himself up to reprimand in things go south which came pretty close.. I think the whole thing is over with.. sadly I think the kid is now blackballed but Brian Deegan was blackballed once so nothing is ever over haha
it was a works bike, the brat was cheating and now the kid is tainted forever because of the greed of his handlers. The Canadian kid should have kept the bike and auctioned it on ebay, the Yamaha management will never hear the end of this especially on December 7th.
Brian asked because the kid has had beef with Haidon for awhile. I would be pissed to if a kid has been calling mine a pxssy . This is way more than oh I'm just an innocent kid who wanted a bike,
The claim process isn't. What happened before has no merit in the fact that the AMA failed the kid in his legal right to claim and own that bike. No matter who's money it was or what happened 6 months or even 100 years prior.
yep, other than requesting the bike being used for Deegans last race the next day and holding off on the transfer of the bike until then. Maybe they need to implement a 1 bike 1 class rule. Especially when it's used in a 250B class and then a schoolboy class where the rider levels vary too much.
Yes he had a right to claim the bike, but only reason he wanted it was to make money off the Deegan brand by using something tied to Haiden. He wasn't gonna race it himself for fear of the same thing happening to him.
In Canada? This is a AMA rule at a National sanctioned event. Not a Canadian thing. Besides who cares why he wanted it. It's the rule and he or you or me should be able to claim it w/o fear of repercussions from factory teams or youtube influencers or anyone else.
Watching the interviews conducted and the responses of the key players supporting the Yamaha side it is clear they are guilty of wrong doing. Watching their body language and their answers that are incomplete with the interviewers not following up with correct questions just let them all off the hook. It's like CNN interviewing Brandon and giving him a free pass.
Yea I used the privileged word not against Hayden tho . It’s a intern situation I think there was a flaming rule in the 70s that the spectators could claim the race bikes and someone actually got a worksbike ! But I’m not sure about this
I would be more pissed if I was Brennans parents that my main sponsor talked me out of it because it was a bad look..not knowing exactly what the sponsor said.. but must have been extreme for his dad to pull out pretty quickly.. THEN the sponsor drops him anyways takes all Brennans bikes back. 5 in fact.. and the sponsor was a Yamaha dealer. so he didn't get the bike because he was probably threatened that if he took it his sponsor would drop him.. so he says fine we will drop. then gets dropped any ffin way. I'd be talking to a lawyer. sounds like the sponser/dealer played a major roll in the hoodwink
The industry needs funding, don't mess with the sponsors and investors. everyone will be effected by this claim. If you are blowing up engines this often draws a red flag to me. The engine builder should know his engines better. This should have been an opportunity for all the kids in the mod class to get a chance to line up to with a factory bike and see how they compare. From engine builders to riders. The rule should be base price x3 plus taxes for it's true value, state taxes, plus AMA transaction fee.
@@flooded3456 there is a mod class for a reason. Everyone is pushing the limits between themselves and their machine. The only thing the factory has is time, and experience. Brendan's focus was done from the beginning. His focus was not racing, it was to claim an iconic bike which to me is dangerous move. Also Brendan most likely breached his contact with his main sponsor... This is very common in car racing. Brendan's main focus is to be better than who he is. This is why Haiden is so great of a rider and the other super stars we have had in the past.
i will say i think it was a cheater bike but not a pro bike, also ama didnt let deegan in it was the mx sports guy. anybody else notice the only stories that changed over this process was the corporation co conspirators, Brennan and his parties stayed the same the entire time
the AMA guy said "he" let Deegan in and made sure Deegan agreed to not go crazy. He also said he would not make that decision again. This is in a vid. It wasnt Cotter it was an AMA official. The fact is a fact can't deny that.
Of course it wasn't a "Pro" level bike Coper is riding. Maybe It was still lacking a part or two or 3. Doesn't mean it wasn't way beyond the spirit of the rule. It was way more "pro" than it should've been to be in an amateur class.
@@flooded3456 agreed was definitely a cheater bike they said it themselves "there too much money and tech in there" but apparently star was ready to let it go but yamaha made more of the fuss did you heat the from pulp
i don't really trust steve too much i like him but he's always a little off when it come to serious topics or gets pieces of info but not other idk he's been wrong too many times for me to just believe him
I'm intrigued by the smoke stack to your right . . . outside of the door frame. Looks like a smoker in the middle of your woodstove exhaust pipe. To be clear, no hate, I actually love it! Just want to understand more about it! Regarding the bike claim thing, I agree with your assessment. Tell me more about the smoke stack though!
no offense but if you were ever close enough to the inner workings of the entire mx and supercross MONEY community, you would never make such an uninformed statement.
Deegan also has long term commitments to a full season on a dialed in bike tuned to him exclusively and personally. No matter who actually owns the bike it is his personalized bike that is felt to be a part of him as well as sentiments he will hold for that bike in posterity. If the rule though is known to destroy the claiming youth rider as well as the exploding inevitable back lash it is a rule that needs refinement in the least part. I’m glad for the measured examination by all journalistic and interested party’s.especially where kids, though smart, are involved and effected.
Deegan doesnt own the bike, have the title or a receipt for the bike therefor he technically is not the owner. Here is the exact rule verbage: "Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of sale". Again deegan has none of these as Star owns them.
Why add drama to a already bad position for Brennan he stands to loose everything over a bad decision. He is the loser here. Others should have made sure he knew the problems caused by doing this.
he mentioned he has a new bike announcement coming sept 1. In a way I hope it is KTM, and he ends up at Bakers. Then him and Deegan meet at pro levels for super competitive and juicy spicey comps. Of course Brennan is going to have to get way better to be on Deegans level. But what a future story line this could be.
you said that Everyone knows what the Rules are in AMA... I would agree... so tell me Flooded... why has there not been One Complaint filed by anyone involved or from anyone that was there... wouldn't you think that a Parent from all the kids riding, or anyone from the 40+ riders would have stepped forward to complain, what about Video... are you telling me that No One took their phone out to take a video of this Mob... nothing...? lol... you want to blame someone... blame the idiot who thought he could get away with claiming a bike that was Never his to claim... Derek Harris.
Ok at first I thought damn good idea getting a works bike for cheap. But now I think it was a chump move on the dude try n to claim the bike. Everyone knew about deegans plan to race next week to get points to turn pro. So a true motocross fan would be looking forward to see how he is going to do against the fast guys. To take his bike that he and the team put all that time into. Is lame. Plan and simple. If dude got bike then what ride it ? If anything breaks what then? He would have to put production parts on the bike and soon it would be a bike he could by from a dealer. But he already was furnished bikes. Say what ever makes you want to be leave is fair but the victim here is the deegans. Without doubt
not sure your take on this? It's way more than Yamaha involved, unless you throw the Deegans, the trainer, Cotter and others involved to be on Yamahas side.
Ok why did this kid start a go fund me and then got it shut down ,didn't he have 17 k? the money he got working part time for four months ,why did Brendon put hate on snap chat about Haiden after south wick ,and you have proof of the so called cheater parts ?the kid did it out of spite because he is not good enough
Yes we all have proof he has parts in his bike that were not considered factory or aftermarket as Yamaha themselves admitted to having sensetive parts in that bike they didn't want known. Brennan is his name and he himself said getting Haidens bike would not make him ride like Haiden. He admitted Haiden "ripped" but he just wanted a factory bike. As far as Gofundme who cares. My vid wasn't about any of that. It was about the process that failed a kid who claimed a bike by the rules. If I was there racing I would claim Stars bikes and not worry about the cry babies. Rules are rules
@@michaelhoward7652 I'll try to answer both questions. No nobody in 250B was on stock bikes, remember Brennan had an "engine builder". lol. Running any part you want is fine, but that's what the claim rule is for, to keep the bigger teams from running "excessive" parts the regular guys can't by over the counter. Second question, why is everyone hating on Haiden? I dont think 90% of the responders are, in fact most are disappointed in his dad, Star Yamaha and the rest. Few are blaming Haiden at all. Hope this clarifies the questions.
I am not mad at all about any of this so I would not be mad if Deegan refused, How ever it wasn't Deegans bike so he couldn't refuse. It's Stars bike. My reason for the vid is to expose what I feel is industry manipulation and cover up. The corruption is obvious. I felt bad for Schofield. But I am not crying for him. lol. I am also not mad at the Deegans Yamaha or anyone from that camp. I have no feelings other than feeling the AMA allowed the process they were responsible for to be corrupted. I believe they heard all the chatter involved around this. It's too big of a story for them to not be.
@@cw93711 I know at 17 I wasn’t ready to face the wolf’s alone. I like Brennan . I think he’s going to do ok in life. Personally I would have loved to see an autopsy done on that bike to see what we’re dealing with.
all I did was assess the interviews from a perspective of body language and answers to questions. Everyone better have an opinion in this and in everything. You can't sit back and be silent when group gang up and then attack the solo person while using misinformation.
@@flooded3456 so how do you know they ganged up on him? Where u there? My guess is no and you are making assumptions on heresay and that is no good especially for the Brennan kid thanks to the internet is going to be knowed as "that guy" . Only thing everyone that have an opinion on the matter is going to do is helping that kid to never having a sponsorship again .
@@Pittbullplays as I stated, I based my opinion on the interviews and comments from the people involved, in other words what they themselves said regarding the situation. lol. Don't need to be there when the people involved are telling me what they themselves said. At 10:30 pm everyone is saying they were there to convince the family to not do this. End of argument. Sorry it's these pesky facts that get in the way of people's emotional responses.
@@flooded3456 and other people twisted opinion of it that get other people in trouble . There was nobody that mad the kid drop the claim other than his sponsor and to claim otherwise is horsesh..... . You say you base your opinion on there body behavior so I can now take it that you are an expert in this area and hav an education in the matter? Or you running around like everyone else trying too get a little fame by putting Deegans name in the title?
@@Pittbullplays you don't have to stay here giving me all this fame. You are so blind to how things work it's silly. If his sponsor saw that Yamaha and others involved were cool with it he would be all for it. His name on that bike. Yep win for him. Yep I've had training and education in reading body language answers eye movement and distraction postures. I'm not opposed to Haiden in any of this. I support him. I'm one who believes he has worked hard for what he has. I'm also in favor of them having money because the whole family has earned it. This is America not Cuba. I'm opposed to how this was handled. Quit diverting the topic and truth to satisfy your emotional allegiance to your chosen side. Just the facts.
Nice job assesing the entire situaton, I think your comments are the most thoughtful and complete around the motives of the players, thier actions, and the final outcome at this point. The rationele is sound and I feel your conclusions are accurate. Excellent Video, make another one once more facts materialize.
I do not trust any further info that comes from the 2 sides. Too much time has passed and stories are already changing to reinforce misinformation. But I may make another vid if this escalates further, like with Brennan moving to another team and a rivalry begins between him and Deegan that will go on for the next 10 years. Wouldn't that be awesome for the sport.
@@flooded3456 I'd love to see someone put together a video of all of Haiden's starts on that bike during that week at Lorretta's. I saw one and the way that bike hooked up and took off was not solely100% rider ability in my opinion. Of course the kid knows what he's doing on the drop but from what I saw there was definitely something going on with traction control and I believe THAT is the main thing Yamaha didn't want "getting out there".
did you see those pictures at the end of vital’s first interview i know someone wrote over the original writing, but still who does that and brennon is at fault for the crash at south wick because he leaned toward haiden before they collided
@@flooded3456 it was botched and tim cotter should not have been in that room interviewing him because he is not an ama official he’s an mx sports promoter
Watch the video again, outside rut comes together with the inside, he hit a breaking bump and rut shot him to the left and deegan was in the wrong place wrong time, like the deegans said “racing incident”
He rode "a" Yamaha, but not "for" Yamaha. He rode for a dealer who sold Yamaha brands. Deegan actually rode for Yamaha and is compensated with a paycheck. Brennan never got checks from Yamaha or the dealer for his success. that's a big difference of sponsorship level
Just ask yourself why did the Engine builder contact Cooter 2 weeks before LL!! That guy used The kid to get the Engine!! You are just another hack looking for attention!!
Who is cooter? Let's say you are 100% correct. What difference does this make in how the rule was handled? Race in same class, claim bike , get bike. Omit all this extra crap that made the kid reverse his choice.
@@flooded3456 HIS sponsor and his dad did!! What did the kid think was going to happen when he did not tell his sponsor what he was going to do!! He should have discussed it with them and let them known his intentions! He does work for them!! They would have probably told him not to do it..And he would not be with out a sponsor or bikes right now!!
@@slayer6936 very good point bud. This adds a whole new level to this. I bet he knew if he told anyone he would be opposed. So he kept it quiet for the most part. He really just wanted that bike like any normal kid would. When I raced I really wanted factory suspension more than anything.
all these yamaha engines have issues. There is a known timing change problem after a few hours. Maybe the engine guy did want to peek inside. So? The rule is a rule for a reason. To prevent inside tech giving advantage to factory riders at amateur level over the competition. Brennan won LL last year with this engine guy. I think the engine guy said he has past bikes with 5,6 or 7 titles, so he is doing something right.
Maybe he does or doesn't have the $$$. that's not even my beef. My beef is why were so many outside parties allowed to even get involved in the rules process? It stinks of typical MSM type stuff where they get enough to say the same thing therefore it must be true, and the public is too dumb to know any better.
He had 17k and a sponsor that covered the cost of his bikes! Just because he has 17k doesn’t mean after getting completely ****ed by his sponsor for doing NOTHING wrong means he should have to go without! He deserves another sponsor in my opinion! If he can’t get it, then a gofundme is totally deserving!
I disagree with advantage Most better after market suspension and motors are so good Top mountain bikers run off the shelf cartridges and even motocross
@@flooded3456 I disagree in that mod class say a 20 minute moto there are any major advantages all the top 10 riders are on some form of mods and aftermarket suspension custom tuned Unless displacement then have a race officials do random checks like F1 The technology we have now to say 15 yrs ago is crazy Other than refinement
@@Simon-Simon-Simon gotcha. In a short moto the mods are even more important than fitness. I also believe the other factory riders had mods, but clearly Star has the best mods going right now. In the end put Sexton any bike, he can win. Put Jett on any bike he can win. Put Deegan on any bike he is top 3. There is the difference in the Amateur level with too many mods. Perhaps yamaha did do a bigger bore? You are right, why not tear down the top 2 finishers in each moto.
not to be offensive but we've spent over 6 million dollars on privateer sponsorships. ride a privateer bike and then ride a full on factory bike. you wont' believe it. we sponsored a supercross rider a few years ago and got ALL the best off the shelf you could buy including the 12000$ A Kit from pro circuit. Our rider barely cracked a top ten here and there. He got on mitches bikes the last four races and was on the podium 3x. yes, it's the support you get as well, but when you've been at that level like we have you wouldn't make such a statement
You sir have hit the nail right on the head...Perfect analysis...I wanna add one more thing...Steve Mathis of Pulp MX should be ashamed for being a puppet for who he works for...
yea his vid was a stupid attempt to support the side that collaborated to take the kids choice away. Then he tries to be kind of pro Brennan as well. Tells me he sees what we see but is an industry worker in the same swamp.
Agreed 👊.. Our industry is joke. Hasn't changed .. Never Will.. So sad and embarrassing but what else would you expect..
You can add Michael Lindsay’s name to the list of MX Corporate shills.
At least Steve says he’s bias kinda but weegg I don’t like. You can tell he will say whatever the machine what’s them to, so he doesn’t lose his spot to a real retired rider
@@johnh2349 how? He has only gave the interviews of everyone? He started this about getting the news out? He hasn’t gave his own opinion ether?
Agreed; too many conflicts of interest involved that should not have been. Should have been Brennan, Star Racing Yamaha, and AMA. He made a claim, fronted cash, ruffled feathers and that's when wheels started turning. If it were a true amateur bike, Star should have been more accepting of the transaction and each party should have went their way. Nuff said
Exactly!
This is the best take on this whole mess... great breakdown!!!!
Yeah I agree. The AMA failed us again. Yamaha and the Deegans got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and the AMA let them get away with it. Here's my rub, Haiden is talented as hell and he works hard. He's the last one to need to be running all that trick gear, but they ran it anyways and they got caught. It's BS, I feel bad for Brennan. If you see this Brennan.....it was a brilliant idea and I really wish it'd have worked out. That took some big cajones!
Yep, Yamaha said Haiden cant handle the full pro bike yet. But they are also getting him ready for a pro Nat. So they are adding the pieces to the puzzle getting him ready for the 100% pro bike. He is closer than Yamaha wants us to believe.
I totally agree with everything you've said.
Brian put a video out pretty quickly after cooksy and claimed it was like watching CNN for fake news, but then deleted it. Then there's pictures supposedly being circulated by Brian from Brennan where he's saying stuff about Haiden, as if to make the bike claim a personal attack on haiden and discredit Brennan. In an interview, brennan wanted to make it clear that he'd not done that. Brennan also has the text messages from his trainer telling him to go see him.
I can see that Brian was annoyed, but rather than drumming up all the troops to take this kid down, he shouldn't have got involved. He knew the bike was still theirs until after the last race and he should have just concentrated on keeping haiden chilled out.
It sounds like a nasty situation where everyone had had a chance to get their stories somewhere near after seeing what brennan and the engine builder said. That's just my two pence worth.
Haiden isn’t a cheater. His father is.
You are 100% correct. Brennan's sponsor was told by walker that "this wouldn't end well" plus plus plus. The dealership pulled it's sponsorship. it's a crummy deal. if yamaha doesn't want their bikes with unobtanium to be claimed then they should know better then to come to amatuer races with pro level bikes. yes, you better believe that the factory can impose restrictive inventories and hurt a dealership. walker couldn't even face the camera when answering and sharing his BS story. there is no side to be on. if you want to race, you run the risk of having your bike claimed. and yes you cater, but rules must be followed otherwise change the rules. the deegans are very influential and im sure they were emotional but they never should have bullied this kid. they certainly knew they had hand made parts on the bike. you are correct on the failures. one thing is for certain...it isn't Brennan's fault but he stands to lose the most.
We're you there? That's rhetorical! Everything you just stated is based on emotion and supposition! Can you prove that Brennan was bullied or do you just want to make the Deegans out to be evil rich elitists? I'll go with the latter. You don't know what the dealer was told or said, you're just suggesting that they dropped Brennan due to pressure from Yamaha, but if it was me I would put as much distance between my Yamaha dealership and Brennan because I wouldn't want to be associated with the mess this created by him. Sorry, but I'm sure that guys livelihood and the sponsorship of other riders is worth more to him than dying on the sword for one kid that could potentially destroy his business. Business is business and Brennan is no innocent or dummy. He knew full well what he was doing when he made the decision to go after Deegans bike more than 6 months ago. I still say that this was more than likely a publicity stunt concocted between Derek Harris, Brennan and Brennans Dad that went sideways and did not produce the desired results. I'll ask the same question I've been asking: where is Brennans Dad? According to engine builder Derek Harris, he asked Mr. Schofield what happened to him at the time that Brennan was to claim the bike and he supposedly stated he forgot about it? The kids Dad, that brought him to Lorettas knowing full well that their primary purpose of being there was to claim Haiden Deegans bike, forgot about it?! The same Dad who told Brennan that he wanted to claim the bike that he would have to come up with all the money himself?! So where is Brennans Dad? Where are you Mr. Schofield and why don't you have something to say about this? He's your child! Why are you not defending him and protecting him from these so-called bullies? Why are you not being interviewed? Sorry kids, but I call BS on this!
@@channeljrs dont need to be there. listened to hours of testimonial. bike was claimed and paid for. kid was bullied by all. kid lost his sponsorship. kid didn't get the bike. no one tried to make anyone out to be evil. they all did that to themselves
@@peaceprayer595 ive watched every interview as well and could spend hours picking apart Brennan Schofield and Derek Harrisons recounting of the events. You listened to hours of opinion, not verified fact. So unless you were absolutely there you're just spewing out more opinion and opinions are like asholes, everybody's got one! This guy, Cooksey, Livesay, Johnny whatshisface and the rest of these click seeking channels should be sued for defamation! You just see and hear what you want to see and hear probably because of envy and hatred for those who are more successful than you.
@@channeljrs youre entitled to your opinion. Ill be sustaining my view for now. Might even start sponsorsing a rider again and show up next yeat just to claim a few of those cheater bikes. Wont go like this did
@@channeljrs so aren't you doing the same? Yet, you seem so passionately sure of your statements.
Simmer down, son. No need to get your metal mullisia undies in a wad.
In my eyes, I don’t trust Brian Deegan anymore, he knows what he was doing and knew that there was valuable parts on Haiden’s bike! I definitely know he was talking to multiple people to get this claim rescinded, they bullied this Kid and now Deegan is posting he’s the victim
agreed. If he would've stayed out of it, he wouldn't look bad. His involvement reinforces there is something wrong in all of this. They can't keep that bike for sentimental reasons, it's not theirs. It's Stars bike. So many misinformation talking points used to try and support a "reason" in order to hide the real reason.
I agree about the comment Deegan made. A bike claim wouldn't defame the Deegan family, but everyone knowing Haiden was riding an illegal bike would definitely set their brand back a bit. Brian doesn't make that comment unless he was scared of what was going to come out of that engine.
Exactly
The bike wasn't illegal.
Even Schofield said bike wasn't illegal.
@@cw93711 sorry, youre completely wrong on this. so let's get it straight. Schofield, said they didn' t need to cheat for Deegan to win and he wasn't calling them cheaters. Fact is, at this point, only yamaha knows if they are cheating or not since NOBODY had miked the bike or anything else related to specifications. YOU have no more factual evidence the bike was legal than it was illegal. Fact
@@peaceprayer595 it's a mod class. Basically you can't cheat unless you made it a 300 cc bike or something like that.
Schofield said deegan wasn't wasn't cheating.
If anyone thought he was cheating they could have filed a protest for 500 bucks and had motor torn down to see if he was cheating.
You don't claim a bike to see if someone is cheating.
Haiden could be on a 100k bike and it would be legal.
Schofield had 25k into his bike according to engine builder as engine was 10k alone, so that's more that 2 times MSRP.
@@cw93711 ok...repect for you points, but nobody was trying to claim schofields bike? the point of the rule is to "keep it reasonable" and as equal as possible. if you put so much $$$ into your bike that your are unwilling to follow the claim rule and use all your industry leverages to basically fk everyone who gets in your way, it's a form of cheating imho. i know it's a technicality and I also know bore and stroke are virtually the only way to "cheat" in this class in terms of immediate disqualification. but an utterly ubsurd advantage based on a cosmic amounts of money including R&D thrown at a bike is cheating...otherwise, the ama wouldn't have the claim rule...again, it's not cheating in the pure black and white sense becuase you can essentially do whatever you want to the bike, bbbbuuuuutttt. repeat: if you put so much $$$ into your bike that your are unwilling to follow the claim rule and use all your industry leverages to basically fk everyone who gets in your way, it's a form of cheating imho. ....you may never see my point and that's ok. Let's ride. :)
Nailed it all from the business side but it’s also sad that no one would stand up to the rule. Why should ppl lose business or sponsorship over a written rule and standing up against those who think they’re above the rules? This is exactly how our government works also and it’s based on greed!!! I feel sad for all these people involved and Brennan has lost the worst.
Weather truth was told about what Brennan’s intentions were with the bike he simple saw an opportunity, followed the simple rule and was right about his choices of it possibly being a factory bike. If it wasn’t he would have a Yamaha and none of this would be going on.
I like the Deegans and the kids good and works hard no doubt!! Like most say he would have won on a stock bike. So why run the risk of this? I wonder this of Star Racing also. Maybe because it’s pretty much unheard of being done, they have enough pull to get out of it like they have? Money rules when you get caught. I don’t think they’re cheaters they just got caught and this is exactly why the rule!!
Sad for the whole industry in the end.
Claim bike get bike simple!! What's the problem .pro bike I in amateur race..should of rode stock bike.. star Yamaha fup..pay up to rules . attorney needs to be called in $$$$
It a mod class. It should not be a stock bike.
If you want a stock bike you race in limited or stock class.
Not the mod class where you can run what you bring.
No cheating even per Schofield.
Probably the best take on the whole thing, so far. It doesn’t matter what happened before this. Brennan has been right next to that bike and watched it walk right by his. He knew exactly what they had.
Brennan should of gotten the bike.
yep, but after the Canadian sponsor was brought in and Brennan's dad met with him in Walker's pit, the dad made the choice, not Brennan. Brennan respected his dad in all of this and said ok, to his dad's decision. That's the sign of a good kid.
yeah if you see this any different youre silly in my opinion. it's pretty cut and dry and to have all those people on the Yamaha side team up over a amateur spec bike. it's comical. that was Yamaha works bike. nothing less. dude this was refreshing as fuck. just calling it
Thank for telling this story for some reason this story makes me so mad so unfair to all the kids in the race hope the AMA and all the up and coming kids will make it fair to all that races
Matt Walker has always been agro...n dicey. The whole mess up was at his camp.
Matt Walker gave me his jersey at 98 Millville! Hey wait... He gave it to my GF and she gave it to me! Do you think? Either way, good trade! Of coarse he is agro, it's motocross! You guys already made a 4 stroke class for sissies! Do not turn this sport into tennis! MFer better be agro, he raced REAL motocross. Let's focus on the route of the problem. Deegan vs Brennan cage match! That's what my dad would say. This is just a plain and simple pissing match and you guys wanna make lawyers rich! The boys fight fair and shake hands. Is this the Metal Militia, or has my life been a sham? Tell Deegan I want to pay per view it and the plan is under copy right law... Or insert whatever my lawyer would say. What are we teaching our youth? Comp is fine, no person is capable of living by the rules Mr. Ghost rider and when you are caught breaking rules what do we do? I remember somebody passing a hat that I put money into, to help pay your fine. Time for you to kick in biotch! You have a lot of sunshine that you have earned over the years. Spread the love and bring it full circle. Use it as an opportunity to show your gifted children to Sack up once in a while. We are a community and we are your consumer. What are you selling today?
Boils down to corruption. Politicians of motocross
exactly
I think we can pretty much say that 99% of us agree with you, The only thing is that the one percent that doesn’t has the power and money with all the connections
Exactly how is it that Matt walker the Canadian dealer and a Yamaha executive doing all in the same pit at 1030pm. There’s no such thing as Coincidence
agreed. Brennan should've claimed the bike, and stayed away from everyone.
You're absolutely right about how they all failed the kids of amateur racing. That was a good point to make.
Did the sponsor let Schofield finish the Canadian national though? Brennen said he got the text on a Thursday, the same day he blew a motor - which was why he couldn't continue to finish all his motos. I don't think the sponsor did wait to let him finish the national. And those motors Donnie promised from Yamaha to drop the claim sure didn't make it to him in time either.
But on the flipside
All these SPONSORS have supported and supported these kids
What if all these sponsors take out there money ???
Brennan said he blew his last good motor and was done and the sponsor then asked for the bikes. Sometimes Brennan says things to make him look better in a situation.
@@Simon-Simon-Simon for sure. Many cant and wont because they are too vested in this industry.
@@Simon-Simon-Simon then it will be true amateur racing again like when I raced.
@@flooded3456
so do we outlaw aftermarket products isn't that the stock class
just race the stock class why so much focus on MOD class
The motor builder put up the money, he called a week before LL's and ask the same AMA guy who was in the trailor with Brennan about the claim rule, the motor guy clearly has problems with his Yamaha motors, and now all the sudden this Brennan kid can't afford to buy a new bike, yet had $17grand at the time of the claim, wheres that money, you can not claim a bike for someone else, the kid has been cought in a few lies already, everyone should wait a few weeks for more to come to light, Brennan hated HD3, his posts proved it, and the kid shouldnt of been allowed to claim the bike without his dad there!!!
Running a factory bike is TOTALLY LEGAL for the mod classes. You're going off on a tangent about the bike being modded or a factory bike. That is NOT a problem for the mod bike classes. It's just that that bike is now open to be claimed. The kid getting pushed to drop the claim was the problem. Get your head wrapped around the rules for the classes before you get too wound up over the bike Itself.
The sponser dropping Brennan was a bogus move.
The engine builder can't keep the Yamaha from blowing up after short time. He is the one who pushed Brennan to make the claim. He "coached" him through the entire process before it was done & was the one to MAKE SURE Brennan got to the officials to make the claim. That guy is a lying snake by pretending he didn't care about opening the engine & suspension to see what they do to it. He had EVERYTHING to gain by that claim. Do you NOT think Honda, Kawasaki or any of the other manufacturers or private builders WOULDN'T want to see what makes it tick if they had the chance? Of course they would!! I would as well. If the builder just came out & admitted that, I wouldn't have a problem with him. He used Brennan & the others all crapped on Brennan & now he has nothing.
These comments are talking points from other forums. The "Mod" class is an incorrect assessment. My point is this.... the rules allowed a claim to prevent the mods. lol. Brennan claimed the bike. The other side went ballistic trying everything to stop this. Who cares why. They did something that wasnt cool.
your wrong of course but stay delusional
This dude is SPOT ON!!! Exactly every thought I have.
Brennan was on Johnny Hopper's TH-cam channel yesterday ( 8/16 )and he had to turn in 5 bikes to the dealership before the race in Canada which is their version of Loretta Lynn's. He didn't claim the bike in the end and lost his bike deal as well.
according to his sponsor the bike deal was only for LL
@@bknoxx bs
@@peaceprayer595 pulp talked to the dealership so take it as you will
@@bknoxx sorry if this comes off string not that you give a rats rearend of respect for experience but i owned my own dealership in upstate ny...i also worked at four of the top performing multiline dealerships in the entire country from 84 to 2018. I was sent to thing valley by kawasaki to ride with jeremy at his private track for having the most kxf sales...was part of hondas project insight team regarding the last gen crf450 changes. Supported multiple riders in supercross and motocross from the dealership level having many in the top 20 and one who was 6th overall in Supercross.. Was a student development advisor for mmi in orlando florida helping decide what techs would work for the factories, feld motorsports, babbits etc. If i told you husqvarna offered 38k measly dollars for one of our techs to do one of their top riders race and practice bikes 4 years ago you probably wouldnt beleive that either. I've never been a politically correct guy sometimes to my own hurt... Make no mistake about it... you can bet your last dollar yamaha leveraged not giving up that bike and they wont give much regard for who gets bulldozed in the process. They happily make it look and smell so pretty youll wanna suck on it like a lollipop. One thing i really don't care for in the mx spotight is how clean cut and perfect appearing they all seem so nice and professional. Its a dirty arena of political bs. These internet guys kissing ass so they dont lose their respective inroads makes my stomach turn. So yeah, your damn right ill formulate an intelligent conclusion standing up for whats right. Now...lets ride.
@@peaceprayer595 lol that's cool man.. im not here to argue because i dont know the truth as does anyone else.. im sure both sides are lying, the kids stories dont always add up, and did Yamaha put pressure on the dealer or was it just the dealership thats what i want to know
I don't believe that Brian wasn't aware of the Rule.
I'd bet that they joked about it Haha what if someone claims our bike?.
In the days before the race.
I'm guessing on this but do yall believe that he didn't know that rule 🤔 ?
They all know the rule. But why would he care, it isnt his bike, it's Star Yamahas. Just build another one
Good take bud I would agree with you on most everything. Brennan should have left with that $70,000 bike for a cool 17!
yup
People are looking at this totally wrong… Brennen himself is a Motorcycle Mechanic, Derek Harris backed that up stating “He’s an outstanding Mechanic, if I had the means, I would hire him in a second to build motors with me”.
_(That being said)_
Donnie Luce claimed that he offered to make a number of crate motors available for him because he keeps blowing up motors _(but Yamaha’s are the top bikes right now…)_
Brennen & Derek Harris both claimed “Donnie Luce warned we have a lot of technology in this engine which Yamaha doesn’t want released to the public” & “these engines wouldn’t be able to be serviced by anyone, not even him” _[pointing at Motor Builder Derek Harris]_
I think they were using the throw-away 3rd moto as a way to test the feasibility of something like a Variable Valve timing Camshaft _(like how Honda’s VTEC system works, where the camshaft’s lobes are all two sizes & when it hits a certain RPM the cam shifts making the valves open twice as large)_ or electronically controlled valves, which are independently controlled by the ECU & a traditional camshaft at all…
good point. I also believe there was some sort of throttle/clutch/traction monitoring system involved for launch control. That alone is likely priceless. All good points you have.
@@flooded3456
I genuinely don’t believe it’s an enhanced Starting Device _(starts are a feel thing)_ & the more I think about it, the more I believe it’s gotta be a Camless Valvetrain which uses Electronic Valve Control… because with a _VTEC_ system, you’re limited to _Standard_ cam profile (equal valve lift to the non-VTEC versrion of the same motor) & the _VTEC_ half of the cam lobes, but with _Electronic Valve Control,_ the valve lift & timing would be continuously variable….so it could be tuned with proprietary tuning software from a laptop & Electronic Valve control would make for less rotating mass & less turning weight inside the engine…
At the same time, we’re at the beginning of a second motocross engine revolution _(like the one Doug Henry began in 1997)_ Electric Bikes are making their mark…we’ll have to see how this all goes…
Why do you think he wanted Degans bike, because he was blowing motors up.
those engines have known issues. He wanted that bike because it had $50-$90K in it and he would be getting a steal on a great bike for his next race in Canada which is their LL equivalent.
I’d like to get more info on this RallyE Motoplex sponsor, why did he just do a statement, why’s he dodging interviews? Does he got something to hide? Why did he pull Brennan’s dad to the side to talk to him? What did he say to him? Where’s that interview at?
yep
Who the hell are you ? And why does your opinion matter …. Ever here from all the key players …… just doing it for views at this point it’s been covered and covered and talked about plenty ! Thanks for making a redundant video riding the wave
Smart man. He said everything I was thinking just couldn't put into words. Thanks for articulating that story. I love the deegans to man sucks all around to know this how it really is in the world is.
The only way Schofield wins, is to stay with the claim! Now, his sponsor aka a snake, dropped him! Is Donnie Luce still going to help Brennan? What’s he going to give him 2 motors with no bike to put them in! There’s a lot of trust issues with this deal now!
hopefully he gets the motors and sells them and puts that $$ towards his new deal to be announced sept 1.
Ama needs to punish tim and deegans for taking a minor in a room without adult parental supervision
And what's crazy is I heard that Haiden ran that next race with a newly installed crate motor and still won by a lot. So he never really even needed the factory bike. I wasn't necessarily a Deegan hater but, this whole thing really stunk. Brian Deegan should never have been alone in that room without the kids parents being there. I'm also a lifelong Yamaha rider but, this was shameful.
I agree that this has gained too much traction. Although motocross badly needs attention to keep it growing in the mainstream this only stirs the base. In fact more people are talking about this, than the fact that Chase just did what is impossible in mentally overcoming the Eli Effect. This vid of mine was just a summary of the obvious. Hopefully soon we can get back to Eli winning again. :)
Your spot on!
The deegans were trying to avoid the cheater claim but still received it all the same with their actions.
The only one who can gain anything is Brennan? Um... Nope, sorry. It's weird that Brennan's dad wasn't there... but the engine builder was. The engine builder has also been on record stating when he heard "Brennan's plan" he was "all in"(his words) from the "very beginning"... Let that sink in. The whole cheating thing is BS... anyone of the 41 other riders coulda protested the bike without needing to spend 17K. If you look at this as law enforcement would during an investigation you ask certain questions. Who had the most to gain? Who has a motive and who's motive is strongest? Maybe the guy who's on record having said "my youtube channel would blow up if I could get that bike on the dyno in my shop". Who would make money off seeing the inside of the motor? Who builds mod motors for amateurs? The answers to all these types of law enforcement questions point to the engine builder. The engine builder had the absolute most to gain. He might not have come up with the idea, but as he said, he was "all in". So is the motor guy your brother??? lol.
I have heard all the stories. I have researched this kid. He has a hatred for Deegan,his social media proves this. I don't believe his motor guy for 1 minute. My opinion is that #1 Yamaha knows the rules #2 Yamaha should have gave up the bike #the kids legal guardian or parent should have been present. # Deegan should have not went into a closed room with a minor.Many kid's and parents are jealous of Deegan. He has pushed to make sure his kid is on the best available equipment. Watch his interview on Gypsy Tales podcast on TH-cam and see how he answers the question about the jealous people. This is gonna blow over,but I think this kid's chances of a factory ride are gone along with any major sponsorship.
I agree 100% with this statement, other than his hatred for Deegan. Some historical posts claimed to be Schofields are being refuted as shopped and not from Brennan. Who really knows who cares. The fact is the AMA process was botched.
@@flooded3456 awesome point. motive is irrevlavent. the bike was ANYONES to claim
Schofields dad didn't show up for anything involved with this. He left kid to do it all on his own.
That's why he was always alone.
But Schofield said deegan did nothing wrong, sending builder side t same thing
@@peaceprayer595 well,Yamaha has the right to refuse the claim,apparently without being penalized.
@@stevewarren4821 refuse? no. pressure and coerce out of the claim? yes. I assume that's what you mean. :)
AMA only works for MX Powersports, Feld, and the mfgs.
exactly !!!
If this was about racing
BRENDAN'S should have posted a photo on social media of his cash saying he will claim DEEGANS bike before the race .
. Why the AMBUSH and pre meditative way he did it ?
what? ambush? lol he wanted the good bike not a stock bike.
@@flooded3456
He pre meditates it . Why didn't he claim another bike if was just about getting a better bike ? If this bike claim didn't work.
Where there alternate motives?
@@Simon-Simon-Simon he answers this question clearly in one of his interviews: I ride Yamaha, I wanted a Yamaha not a KTM or one of the other bikes. He said he specifically wanted the best 250 f out there and felt it was Degans.
the entire point of the claim rule is to steathly be able to call out cheates and claim their bike bro. if you anounce ahead of time it defeats the whole purpose.
@@peaceprayer595
He could have told his dad and Yamaha team sponsors in Canada
Sounds great but as you stated your supposition is just that. As for Brennan and the engine builder Derek Harris he stated early on in an interview that he was barely familiar with the
Schofield family and didn't really get to know them until Lorettas, but then turns around and says that when Brennan tells him that he was going to claim Deegans bike all of a sudden Brennan was his guy and he would have his back, no matter what! Then when Harris was asked why he was advocating for Brennan and not Brennans dad, Harris stated that he spoke with the father later and the father told him he forgot that Brennan was going to make the claim. Brennans Father forgot?! He forgot about what would be the most controversial thing Brennan would do in his motorcycle riding career after he told the kid he would have to spend 6 months earning the balance of the money he needed to claim the bike?! Really? I call BS! Something else was going on and Derek Harris and the Schifields were in on this together, but they didn't expect things to go sideways like they did! And where is Mr. Schofield? Why is nobody talking about why he wasn't there to represent his kid? Why is nobody interviewing Brennans dad? As for Brennan, going back to his interview with Cooksey, he kept referring to himself as a minor during his interactions with the promoter, Deegan, etc. but he never asked to have his father present to defend him? I say the kid has been coached and that this was all a publicity stunt that failed miserably. Go and look at the Derek Harris interview with Livesay, he does nothing but back peddle and apologize for making accusations against all parties involved. I think your operating out of emotion and not facts here
I am operating based on what each party said, Not what he said he said she said. I agree the dad should've been there. My whole vid is about the way the rule was not followed and the kid lost out from outside pressures. It does not matter where his money came from, who persuaded him to do it or any of that. It is about big groups uniting to fight small groups and then lying to look moral within the industry. My only emotional connection is how the industry will do and hoping motocross succeeds in the end. I'm a racer first, analyst 2nd.
@@flooded3456 So then, where in the rules does it state that the party/parties being claimed cannot question the validity of the claim or the individual making the claim? Why is there no stipulation that a "minor" (under 18) has to have a parent present to insure the appropriate actions are taken? You say you're not getting into he said, she said, yet you are making allegations and accusations that there was collusion on the part of the Yamaha team to cover up a cheating scheme by supposedly building a pro bike for Haiden Deegan when you have no real proof. You further go on to essentially defame the Deegans by basically stating that because they're rich that they have more privileges than other people involved in the sport, and that they are basically given a pass when it comes to cheating. I'm not sure what you or any of the other TH-cam channels think you have the right to say, but if I were Yamaha or Brian Deegan, there are a number of people I would go after here for slanderous and defamatory accusations with no real basis of truth, but that's just me. I think they have too much restraint and class for that and just want to move on. On the other hand, guys like you and Brennan and his family seem to want to perpetuate this tale of woe and continue slinging arrows for clicks. In the end, I hope Brennan is able to bounce back from this.
@@channeljrs Here is a copy/paste of the rules once the bike is claimed. there is no provision given to the "owner" of said claimed bike, only to the one claiming: "Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale". Yamaha, Deegans and anyone else had to state they needed bike for next day's race. Yet the rule doesnt even address this and the AMA couldve told Yamaha, "too bad". Shouldve brought 2 bikes, the rules are the rules." I am glad they didnt do this. that would've been unfair to Haiden. They shouldve proceeded the way they did with sealing impounding and monitoring.
sorry if this comes off strog not that most will give a rats rearend of respect for experience but i owned my own dealership in upstate ny and worked at four of the top performing multiline dealerships in the entire country from 84 to 2018. I was sent to thing valley by kawasaki to ride with jeremy at his private track for having the most kxf sales...was part of hondas project insight team regarding the last major crf450 changes. Supported multiple riders in supercross and motocross from the dealership level having many in the top 20 and one who was 6th overall in Supercross.. I was a student development advisor for mmi in orlando florida helping decide what techs would work for which factories, feld motorsports, babbits etc. If i told you husqvarna offered 38000 measly dollars for one of our techs to do one of their top riders both race and practice bikes 4 years ago you probably wouldnt believe that either. I've never been a politically correct guy sometimes to my own hurt... Make no mistake about it... you can bet your last dollar yamaha leveraged not giving up that bike and they wont give much regard for who gets bulldozed in the process. They happily make it look and smell so pretty youll wanna suck on it like a lollipop. One thing i really don't care for in the mx spotight is how clean cut and perfect appearing they all seem so nice and professional. Its a dirty arena of political bs. These internet guys kissing ass so they dont lose their respective inroads makes my stomach turn. So yeah, your damn right ill formulate an intelligent conclusion standing up for whats right. I get unwriten rules. That kid let that bike go back and got fkd in the process. Now...lets ride. I’ll be in the over 60 group.
@@peaceprayer595 What? Have you been drinking?
Agree men, agree...
Great take on the whole situation.
I may do another video on this claim rule. Not anything to do with the Deegans or anyone involved in this. Lorettas has become a spectacle and when you have a following like Haiden does, that's a lot of fans there on your side no matter what you do, right or wrong. The claim rule needs to be such that the claimer is never known. The money is given to the bike owner by the AMA and the bike and title is given to claimer by the AMA after the event with no mention of who they are. I have other ideas like this to keep this more discreet and safer in an ever growing social media world where all news is old news within 15 minutes.
Motorcycle manufacturers don’t look at franchises like you’re suggesting, manufactures want dealers whom sell motorcycle, not all dealers can sell motorcycles so manufacturers aren’t dumping a “selling dealer” for something this trivial. The rest I think you’re right.
this may seem offensive but the factories leverage dealerships ALL the time to get them to do what they want. even the signage and displays are inside the dealership are controlled by the factories. if you don't do what they want, they cut your supply chain, fine you and treat you like an outcast. sorry if this comes off strog not that most will give a rats rearend of respect for experience but i owned my own dealership in upstate ny and worked at four of the top performing multiline dealerships in the entire country from 84 to 2018. I was sent to thing valley by kawasaki to ride with jeremy at his private track for having the most kxf sales...was part of hondas project insight team regarding the last major crf450 changes. Supported multiple riders in supercross and motocross from the dealership level having many in the top 20 and one who was 6th overall in Supercross.. I was a student development advisor for mmi in orlando florida helping decide what techs would work for which factories, feld motorsports, babbits etc. If i told you husqvarna offered 38000 measly dollars for one of our techs to do one of their top riders both race and practice bikes 4 years ago you probably wouldnt believe that either. I've never been a politically correct guy sometimes to my own hurt... Make no mistake about it... you can bet your last dollar yamaha leveraged not giving up that bike and they wont give much regard for who gets bulldozed in the process. They happily make it look and smell so pretty youll wanna suck on it like a lollipop. One thing i really don't care for in the mx spotight is how clean cut and perfect appearing they all seem so nice and professional. Its a dirty arena of political bs. These internet guys kissing ass so they dont lose their respective inroads makes my stomach turn. So yeah, your damn right ill formulate an intelligent conclusion standing up for whats right. I get unwriten rules. That kid let that bike go back and got fkd in the process. Now...lets ride. I’ll be in the over 60 group.
@@peaceprayer595 well I sure can’t touch your resume but I too started working at a dealership out of high school(1983) and have experience with the big four and most of the European brands, started as a lot tech and did every job up to GM ..(never owned a shop) all I can say is in my experience a manufacturer never asked anything outside the franchise dealer agreement. I do not believe the dealer was contacted by manufacturer, I do believe the dealer is involved in the racing community and wants to protect his “status” within that racing community. I had a heated argument with a European company about carpet color, if they could have pulled our franchise, they would have .. we had devolved to F bombing each other. I suspect If a manufacturer pulled a franchise out side the scope of franchise agreement there would be legal ramifications… and no you didn’t seem offensive.
@@scottbrown8142 i respect your opinion and experience. Mine has simply been vastly different. When Victory decided to end their business, they made a public statement before notifying the dealers. I was really glad the closure of a franchise bore specific rights in Florida. Polaris is still on my hate list. I could go on and on with examples like this of factories "boning" the dealersip. We had one of the largest online presence for parts, gear and accessories. We reversed two numbers once and kawasaki immediately billed our parts department a 5000$ fine for MAP violation. No warning no offer to work with us... nothing. We fought and threatened them and they finally gave in. The second time it happened they kept the 5k. That was the month I quit the dealership for good. You understand I'm talking about honest mistakes here like one price out of thousands of sku's was listed incorrectly? We had a sign from like the 70s and in the early 90s we refused to change it. It was like 18k at the time which was a large sum of money. Understand that the pole the electrics etc.. everything needed to be changed to accommodate the new sign. We were heavily threatened by the powers that be that the upgrade was necessary to stay in grace or else they would force legal action per our dealer agreement. I have multitudes of stories like this. Some of the stuff I've seen sincerely was insane. If you've never had a pro rider in the top ten, i simply don't beleive you could understand that political frenzy. One unacceptable sponsor on a privateer bike and you will get Zero air time even though your rider is in second place for half the race. Blah blah blah...
@@scottbrown8142 they could never close down the dealership but they must certainly could and would limit your supply chain for not playing by their preferences
@@peaceprayer595 it’s obvious you know the industry well, I’ve had the same type of experiences with exception of Polaris. I was working in a southern Ca yam/kaw shop as a C tech when they took on Polaris in 87. They were junk, I had a jig at my bench to bend the frame support just to finish PDI. Nobody wanted to work on them so I got stuck with, however I learned how to make money with them. Soon I became the Polaris dude. Being a “Polaris dude” opened up opportunities and pay that I don’t think would have been there otherwise. But back to the did Manufacturer threaten dealers franchise? You know yama race rep to dealer is not a straight across path, race rep would have to go up his chain until it reached a manger that had power over the dealers reps chain up.. I’m guessing 10 to 12 people, up the chain then down the other chain. I can’t believe a manager at the top of that chain would approve of a tactic that would end up in litigation. Did a race rep call around “to his buddies” sure you can assume that happened. I’ve also heard the trainer is trying to get into promoting and you know how racing and all the clicks work. In the late 80s/early 90s I was at southern ca race tracks every weekend, very familiar with the drama. I guess my only point is I don’t believe the manufacturer, on a corp level, threatened the dealer. I do think a race rep could have called a dealer friend to friend. Course he’s now opened himself up to reprimand in things go south which came pretty close.. I think the whole thing is over with.. sadly I think the kid is now blackballed but Brian Deegan was blackballed once so nothing is ever over haha
Exactly spot on!
Best video I have seen or heard !!! Your truth is appreciated!!
it was a works bike, the brat was cheating and now the kid is tainted forever because of the greed of his handlers. The Canadian kid should have kept the bike and auctioned it on ebay, the Yamaha management will never hear the end of this especially on December 7th.
Brian asked because the kid has had beef with Haidon for awhile. I would be pissed to if a kid has been calling mine a pxssy . This is way more than oh I'm just an innocent kid who wanted a bike,
The claim process isn't.
What happened before has no merit in the fact that the AMA failed the kid in his legal right to claim and own that bike. No matter who's money it was or what happened 6 months or even 100 years prior.
regrdless of the motive, the rule is there for a reason. the bike should of been his
@@flooded3456 exactly
shame on Brennan's engine builder for fronting the money and pressuring him into making a claim that will ultimately hurt his career.
Rules are the rules sponsors need to stay out.
yep, other than requesting the bike being used for Deegans last race the next day and holding off on the transfer of the bike until then. Maybe they need to implement a 1 bike 1 class rule. Especially when it's used in a 250B class and then a schoolboy class where the rider levels vary too much.
You nailed it!!! Thank you
WOW! great take on this
Yes he had a right to claim the bike, but only reason he wanted it was to make money off the Deegan brand by using something tied to Haiden. He wasn't gonna race it himself for fear of the same thing happening to him.
In Canada? This is a AMA rule at a National sanctioned event. Not a Canadian thing. Besides who cares why he wanted it. It's the rule and he or you or me should be able to claim it w/o fear of repercussions from factory teams or youtube influencers or anyone else.
Very well said. This is my sediment exactly
Watching the interviews conducted and the responses of the key players supporting the Yamaha side it is clear they are guilty of wrong doing. Watching their body language and their answers that are incomplete with the interviewers not following up with correct questions just let them all off the hook. It's like CNN interviewing Brandon and giving him a free pass.
Yea I used the privileged word not against Hayden tho . It’s a intern situation I think there was a flaming rule in the 70s that the spectators could claim the race bikes and someone actually got a worksbike ! But I’m not sure about this
gosh ... i seem to remember that too!
Nice Job! Spot on.
Well said!!
I would be more pissed if I was Brennans parents that my main sponsor talked me out of it because it was a bad look..not knowing exactly what the sponsor said.. but must have been extreme for his dad to pull out pretty quickly.. THEN the sponsor drops him anyways takes all Brennans bikes back. 5 in fact.. and the sponsor was a Yamaha dealer. so he didn't get the bike because he was probably threatened that if he took it his sponsor would drop him.. so he says fine we will drop. then gets dropped any ffin way. I'd be talking to a lawyer. sounds like the sponser/dealer played a major roll in the hoodwink
The industry needs funding, don't mess with the sponsors and investors. everyone will be effected by this claim. If you are blowing up engines this often draws a red flag to me. The engine builder should know his engines better. This should have been an opportunity for all the kids in the mod class to get a chance to line up to with a factory bike and see how they compare. From engine builders to riders. The rule should be base price x3 plus taxes for it's true value, state taxes, plus AMA transaction fee.
that rule chage would favor the factory bike mods and eliminate fair racing
@@flooded3456 there is a mod class for a reason. Everyone is pushing the limits between themselves and their machine. The only thing the factory has is time, and experience. Brendan's focus was done from the beginning. His focus was not racing, it was to claim an iconic bike which to me is dangerous move. Also Brendan most likely breached his contact with his main sponsor... This is very common in car racing. Brendan's main focus is to be better than who he is. This is why Haiden is so great of a rider and the other super stars we have had in the past.
@@flooded3456 everyone in mod class has 15k minimum in there bikes in parts without labor.
Most have 20 to 30k
I don't think Loretta Loretta Lynn National Championship is sruggling more people There that i have ever saw before..
An honest and accurate analysis.
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i will say i think it was a cheater bike but not a pro bike, also ama didnt let deegan in it was the mx sports guy.
anybody else notice the only stories that changed over this process was the corporation co conspirators, Brennan and his parties stayed the same the entire time
the AMA guy said "he" let Deegan in and made sure Deegan agreed to not go crazy. He also said he would not make that decision again. This is in a vid. It wasnt Cotter it was an AMA official. The fact is a fact can't deny that.
Of course it wasn't a "Pro" level bike Coper is riding. Maybe It was still lacking a part or two or 3. Doesn't mean it wasn't way beyond the spirit of the rule. It was way more "pro" than it should've been to be in an amateur class.
@@flooded3456 may have missed that part in vital video
@@flooded3456 agreed was definitely a cheater bike they said it themselves "there too much money and tech in there" but apparently star was ready to let it go but yamaha made more of the fuss did you heat the from pulp
i don't really trust steve too much i like him but he's always a little off when it come to serious topics or gets pieces of info but not other idk he's been wrong too many times for me to just believe him
Well stated. 👍
I'm intrigued by the smoke stack to your right . . . outside of the door frame. Looks like a smoker in the middle of your woodstove exhaust pipe. To be clear, no hate, I actually love it! Just want to understand more about it! Regarding the bike claim thing, I agree with your assessment. Tell me more about the smoke stack though!
its my wood burning stove pipe. lol. That box in it is an exhaust fan to blow the heat out into the shop
Can the RULE be ABUSED
Given the social media
Isn't the rule about a unfair advantage and racing related
the RULE was not implemented without added unwritten parts (allowing others to be involved).
Agreed. Also, I only know the name "Loretta Lynn" cuz I watch the Deegans channel.
dude...... you never listened to country music??? lol
"If there's no such thing as bad publicity", who benefits most from this incident?
bad publicity is bad publicity. I do not agree with this statement people use.
@@flooded3456 I heard it first from Bob Hannah. Cassius Clay made a career with this angle....believe it or not
@@deanfloyd8931 I still believe good press is better than bad press, and sometimes bad press can end careers. Never saw good press end a career.
@@flooded3456Agreed, with all the different opinions flying around, I thought this POV might as well be injected into the mix.
no offense but if you were ever close enough to the inner workings of the entire mx and supercross MONEY community, you would never make such an uninformed statement.
This guy Nose what he is talking about. Daddy always said, Location is everything!
daddy knows best
Deegan also has long term commitments to a full season on a dialed in bike tuned to him exclusively and personally. No matter who actually owns the bike it is his personalized bike that is felt to be a part of him as well as sentiments he will hold for that bike in posterity. If the rule though is known to destroy the claiming youth rider as well as the exploding inevitable back lash it is a rule that needs refinement in the least part. I’m glad for the measured examination by all journalistic and interested party’s.especially where kids, though smart, are involved and effected.
Deegan doesnt own the bike, have the title or a receipt for the bike therefor he technically is not the owner. Here is the exact rule verbage: "Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale". Again deegan has none of these as Star owns them.
100% correct.
Why add drama to a already bad position for Brennan he stands to loose everything over a bad decision. He is the loser here. Others should have made sure he knew the problems caused by doing this.
That kid is never going get over not claiming that bike & it will probably be the biggest regret of his life.
he mentioned he has a new bike announcement coming sept 1. In a way I hope it is KTM, and he ends up at Bakers. Then him and Deegan meet at pro levels for super competitive and juicy spicey comps. Of course Brennan is going to have to get way better to be on Deegans level. But what a future story line this could be.
Brennan said he just wanted to ride it and would sell it back to deegans.
That's why star said we will fly you out to Cali and you can ride it
All have lost respect...shame on them .. making a big blemish on our motorcross family
Great job. Very well said
you said that Everyone knows what the Rules are in AMA... I would agree...
so tell me Flooded... why has there not been One Complaint filed by anyone involved or from anyone that was there...
wouldn't you think that a Parent from all the kids riding, or anyone from the 40+ riders would have stepped forward to complain,
what about Video... are you telling me that No One took their phone out to take a video of this Mob... nothing...?
lol... you want to blame someone... blame the idiot who thought he could get away with claiming a bike that was Never his to claim...
Derek Harris.
Ok at first I thought damn good idea getting a works bike for cheap. But now I think it was a chump move on the dude try n to claim the bike. Everyone knew about deegans plan to race next week to get points to turn pro. So a true motocross fan would be looking forward to see how he is going to do against the fast guys. To take his bike that he and the team put all that time into. Is lame. Plan and simple. If dude got bike then what ride it ? If anything breaks what then? He would have to put production parts on the bike and soon it would be a bike he could by from a dealer. But he already was furnished bikes. Say what ever makes you want to be leave is fair but the victim here is the deegans. Without doubt
Totally Agree!
13:45 best closing statement ever!
Brennon was just following the rules, and it's only Yamaha involved.
not sure your take on this? It's way more than Yamaha involved, unless you throw the Deegans, the trainer, Cotter and others involved to be on Yamahas side.
Ok why did this kid start a go fund me and then got it shut down ,didn't he have 17 k? the money he got working part time for four months ,why did Brendon put hate on snap chat about Haiden after south wick ,and you have proof of the so called cheater parts ?the kid did it out of spite because he is not good enough
Yes we all have proof he has parts in his bike that were not considered factory or aftermarket as Yamaha themselves admitted to having sensetive parts in that bike they didn't want known. Brennan is his name and he himself said getting Haidens bike would not make him ride like Haiden. He admitted Haiden "ripped" but he just wanted a factory bike.
As far as Gofundme who cares. My vid wasn't about any of that. It was about the process that failed a kid who claimed a bike by the rules. If I was there racing I would claim Stars bikes and not worry about the cry babies. Rules are rules
@@flooded3456 ok understand ,but why is everybody putting hate on Haiden ,he doesn't build the motor ?
And brendon was on a standard bike with no modifications right ,?
Brennan ,
@@michaelhoward7652 I'll try to answer both questions. No nobody in 250B was on stock bikes, remember Brennan had an "engine builder". lol. Running any part you want is fine, but that's what the claim rule is for, to keep the bigger teams from running "excessive" parts the regular guys can't by over the counter. Second question, why is everyone hating on Haiden? I dont think 90% of the responders are, in fact most are disappointed in his dad, Star Yamaha and the rest. Few are blaming Haiden at all. Hope this clarifies the questions.
Well said. 40 yes ago he'd a been fighting 9 counter claims though.
How mad would yall be if Deegan had told them to pound salt and took a 1 year AMATEUR SUSPENSION!?!?!?
I am not mad at all about any of this so I would not be mad if Deegan refused, How ever it wasn't Deegans bike so he couldn't refuse. It's Stars bike. My reason for the vid is to expose what I feel is industry manipulation and cover up. The corruption is obvious. I felt bad for Schofield. But I am not crying for him. lol. I am also not mad at the Deegans Yamaha or anyone from that camp. I have no feelings other than feeling the AMA allowed the process they were responsible for to be corrupted. I believe they heard all the chatter involved around this. It's too big of a story for them to not be.
I wish the father would have had a bigger part in this . If my kid would have been put in a room with Brian degan I would have come unglued !
Exactly. This
Schofields father didn't back him at all. He didn't show up for anything schofield was at.
That's why Schofield was alone in all his meetings
@@cw93711 I know at 17 I wasn’t ready to face the wolf’s alone. I like Brennan . I think he’s
going to do ok in life. Personally I would have loved to see an autopsy done on that bike to see what we’re dealing with.
Even tho you can have an opinion does not mean you should . This is the reason this is blowing way out of proportion.
all I did was assess the interviews from a perspective of body language and answers to questions. Everyone better have an opinion in this and in everything. You can't sit back and be silent when group gang up and then attack the solo person while using misinformation.
@@flooded3456 so how do you know they ganged up on him? Where u there? My guess is no and you are making assumptions on heresay and that is no good especially for the Brennan kid thanks to the internet is going to be knowed as "that guy" . Only thing everyone that have an opinion on the matter is going to do is helping that kid to never having a sponsorship again .
@@Pittbullplays as I stated, I based my opinion on the interviews and comments from the people involved, in other words what they themselves said regarding the situation. lol. Don't need to be there when the people involved are telling me what they themselves said. At 10:30 pm everyone is saying they were there to convince the family to not do this. End of argument. Sorry it's these pesky facts that get in the way of people's emotional responses.
@@flooded3456 and other people twisted opinion of it that get other people in trouble . There was nobody that mad the kid drop the claim other than his sponsor and to claim otherwise is horsesh..... . You say you base your opinion on there body behavior so I can now take it that you are an expert in this area and hav an education in the matter? Or you running around like everyone else trying too get a little fame by putting Deegans name in the title?
@@Pittbullplays you don't have to stay here giving me all this fame.
You are so blind to how things work it's silly.
If his sponsor saw that Yamaha and others involved were cool with it he would be all for it. His name on that bike. Yep win for him. Yep I've had training and education in reading body language answers eye movement and distraction postures.
I'm not opposed to Haiden in any of this. I support him.
I'm one who believes he has worked hard for what he has.
I'm also in favor of them having money because the whole family has earned it. This is America not Cuba.
I'm opposed to how this was handled. Quit diverting the topic and truth to satisfy your emotional allegiance to your chosen side.
Just the facts.
Nice job assesing the entire situaton, I think your comments are the most thoughtful and complete around the motives of the players, thier actions, and the final outcome at this point. The rationele is sound and I feel your conclusions are accurate. Excellent Video, make another one once more facts materialize.
I do not trust any further info that comes from the 2 sides. Too much time has passed and stories are already changing to reinforce misinformation. But I may make another vid if this escalates further, like with Brennan moving to another team and a rivalry begins between him and Deegan that will go on for the next 10 years. Wouldn't that be awesome for the sport.
@@flooded3456 I'd love to see someone put together a video of all of Haiden's starts on that bike during that week at Lorretta's. I saw one and the way that bike hooked up and took off was not solely100% rider ability in my opinion. Of course the kid knows what he's doing on the drop but from what I saw there was definitely something going on with traction control and I believe THAT is the main thing Yamaha didn't want "getting out there".
Amen brother
Right on
The gathering of the people talking is conspiracy they shook on the deal its done ✔ except he took his money back under duress
give up the bike
Nobody cares bro. Drama sells
did you see those pictures at the end of vital’s first interview
i know someone wrote over the original writing, but still
who does that
and brennon is at fault for the crash at south wick because he leaned toward haiden before they collided
I did. I'm only referring to bike claim and the "process". It was botched
@@flooded3456 it was botched and tim cotter should not have been in that room interviewing him because he is not an ama official
he’s an mx sports promoter
Watch the video again, outside rut comes together with the inside, he hit a breaking bump and rut shot him to the left and deegan was in the wrong place wrong time, like the deegans said “racing incident”
Amen
Brennan rode for Yamaha so it's all b.s.
He rode "a" Yamaha, but not "for" Yamaha. He rode for a dealer who sold Yamaha brands. Deegan actually rode for Yamaha and is compensated with a paycheck. Brennan never got checks from Yamaha or the dealer for his success. that's a big difference of sponsorship level
Just ask yourself why did the Engine builder contact Cooter 2 weeks before LL!! That guy used The kid to get the Engine!! You are just another hack looking for attention!!
Who is cooter? Let's say you are 100% correct. What difference does this make in how the rule was handled? Race in same class, claim bike , get bike. Omit all this extra crap that made the kid reverse his choice.
@@flooded3456 sorry Berkeen..I was I got the names mixed up!! Lol their are so many players in this..
@@flooded3456 HIS sponsor and his dad did!! What did the kid think was going to happen when he did not tell his sponsor what he was going to do!! He should have discussed it with them and let them known his intentions! He does work for them!!
They would have probably told him not to do it..And he would not be with out a sponsor or bikes right now!!
@@slayer6936 very good point bud. This adds a whole new level to this. I bet he knew if he told anyone he would be opposed. So he kept it quiet for the most part. He really just wanted that bike like any normal kid would. When I raced I really wanted factory suspension more than anything.
@@flooded3456 It was Borkeen who he contacted my bad! Watch Mike Lindsay's 3 part series on Vitel Mx..THE 2ND ONE!!
Motor guy needed that motor to look at because Brennan had 2 motors blown so yes his motor guy needs as much help as possible
all these yamaha engines have issues. There is a known timing change problem after a few hours. Maybe the engine guy did want to peek inside. So? The rule is a rule for a reason. To prevent inside tech giving advantage to factory riders at amateur level over the competition. Brennan won LL last year with this engine guy. I think the engine guy said he has past bikes with 5,6 or 7 titles, so he is doing something right.
You say its a full pro bike " cheater bike " but they took that engine out and he did better with the new engine
and he started a go fund me for bikes even though he has 17k that will get him two bikes
Maybe he does or doesn't have the $$$. that's not even my beef. My beef is why were so many outside parties allowed to even get involved in the rules process? It stinks of typical MSM type stuff where they get enough to say the same thing therefore it must be true, and the public is too dumb to know any better.
@@flooded3456 yeah
exactly
He had 17k and a sponsor that covered the cost of his bikes! Just because he has 17k doesn’t mean after getting completely ****ed by his sponsor for doing NOTHING wrong means he should have to go without! He deserves another sponsor in my opinion! If he can’t get it, then a gofundme is totally deserving!
He should start a go fund me for a good attorney.
@@rockstarbmf9595 he mentions he has big news coming Sept 1
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I disagree with advantage
Most better after market suspension and motors are so good
Top mountain bikers run off the shelf cartridges and even motocross
huh?
@@flooded3456
I disagree in that mod class say a 20 minute moto there are any major advantages all the top 10 riders are on some form of mods and aftermarket suspension custom tuned
Unless displacement then have a race officials do random checks like F1
The technology we have now to say 15 yrs ago is crazy
Other than refinement
@@Simon-Simon-Simon gotcha. In a short moto the mods are even more important than fitness. I also believe the other factory riders had mods, but clearly Star has the best mods going right now. In the end put Sexton any bike, he can win. Put Jett on any bike he can win. Put Deegan on any bike he is top 3. There is the difference in the Amateur level with too many mods. Perhaps yamaha did do a bigger bore? You are right, why not tear down the top 2 finishers in each moto.
@@flooded3456
so we all can say BIG BORE is a poor mans way of cheating so not necessary to big teams then ?
it can be across the bored ?
not to be offensive but we've spent over 6 million dollars on privateer sponsorships. ride a privateer bike and then ride a full on factory bike. you wont' believe it. we sponsored a supercross rider a few years ago and got ALL the best off the shelf you could buy including the 12000$ A Kit from pro circuit. Our rider barely cracked a top ten here and there. He got on mitches bikes the last four races and was on the podium 3x. yes, it's the support you get as well, but when you've been at that level like we have you wouldn't make such a statement