The Tudor Black Bay 58 - the Best Dive Watch Under $5000?
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Today we're looking at the new Tudor Black Bay 58, and talking about why this is the best dive watch under $5000!
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Great review. I've had mine almost a year and hardly worn anything else since. I really didn't expect to love it this much. I've found it a joy to wear and the way the gilt catches the light is mesmerising.
I believe the "T-fit" system of BB58 Bronze will be applied to all BB models later.
Yes kind of moving towards that direction soon like Rolex
I’ll preface my comments by saying I’m fortunate to own a nice collection of relatively high-end watches. Including several Rolex, Omega, JLC, Cartier…even Patek, AP, and ALS. Of them all, the one I wear most is my Tudor BB58 blue. It’s just that good!!!!!
I've had the blue version of this watch for about 8 months. The only thing I don't like is the rivets on the bracelet. Other than that I don't have any complaints. It looks great on my 7 1/2 inch wrist and I would definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to add a high quality "affordable" luxury dive watch to their collection.
Great review Guy!
Thanks man!
Got this and a SMP 300, and a Sub homage, because they are all available and still leaves change from what a Sub costs, even if I could get one.
Now just waiting for a s/s micro adjust retrofit clasp to be available for the BB58.
Excellent review. I owned both the SPB143 and BB58 but the 58 got more wrist time so I sold the Seiko despite really liking it. I really wish they had a 58 version with ceramic bezel, crown guards, and a glide-lock system. Basically an updated Tudor submariner. I doubt they’ll add all of that as I suppose they will definitely kill off big brother. Either that or make the Tudor sub the price of a date just. 😅😅😅
The BB58 is easily one of the best sports models from the Rolex family, period.
no case back right?
Love the snowflake hands and would gladly have this as my only watch.
Longines hydroconquest says hello 👋
You want traditional, but yet want a glide lock. Well, OK.
I think it’s over hyped tbh, it’s a nice piece, but it’s not the best ever.
most flipped watch
I think I prefer a COSC certified movement to any “glidelock “ adjustment clasp. They had to make the budget work. Also older Rolex don’t have glidelocks either and it’s just fine. It’s not needed often. I just hear every review mention the missing microadjustment. Faux rivets, well, they don’t look too bad. I think they could have gone more subtle on the gold, which isn’t gold anyway. Would be interesting to see how the 1958 Submariner looked when it was new. I doubt it was as shiny. Maybe the LED lighting at the watch dealer’s makes it stand out more than under natural lighting conditions.
I feel it’s the best for sure. Specs, dimensions, quality and brand heritage . Weigh all those up and nothing comes close in my mind! Bezel action better than a subby IMO ! Emailed you a couple of months back with a sponsor query! Would be great to get your thoughts ! MWC
I think it is a design that will stand up twenty years down the line
Bezel action in the new 41mm Sub is superb, the best I've ever experienced. I own the BB58 too and can tell you there is no comparison.
@@Portland_Living_Life well I certainly look forward to giving it a twist! All personal taste Kirk but I do prefer the 60 click ratchet to the 120. That’s why I feel it’s better than the 3 submariners I’ve twisted;)
I like that you can actually get these now. Remember a few years ago when the hype was unreal.
Ya it was.
@Isaac Choo in the UK they're available in store or the assistant orders it in and takes a couple of weeks.
@Isaac Choo almost consistently available in the two AD’s here in Bahrain for the past 12 months. I see some on offer used but in a very good condition for $2.5k. That’s how I got mine a few months ago.
@Isaac Choo Fellow Singaporean here. My buying history with Sincere Watch got me on the waiting list for the BB58. Waited about 3 months before my sales associate called me.
I cant get past the aluminum bezel; for $3,700 I better get ceramic...5mm thick.
The Black Bay 58, the version you review here, is one of the watches I plan to add to my small collection. It is a really nice watch.
Nice, enjoy it! It’s great.
Glad to see you semi regularly back doing reviews. You’re one of the first watch yt channels I ever subscribed to.
I used to have the ETA black bay 41 and always found it just too chunky. I ended up trading it earlier this year for the BB58 Blue and couldn’t be happier. It’s an amazing watch and IMO best value for the money
Thanks for sticking with me Billeh. And congrats on the 58, I like it a lot better as well.
I've owned both the OG version as well as the blue, I still own the blue. Overall, it's a great watch. It's a great size, it's light, it keeps excellent time and it's mostly comfortable. My only real complaint is the clasp, but not the lack of micro adjustment (although that would be nice). The lack of articulation with the links at the clasp is the issue. The links cannot hang freely from the clasp, they sort of bow out. This makes for a pretty uncomfortable fit on my wrist. It's probably not an issue for bigger wrists but on my 6.5" wrist, it's annoying.
Thanks for sharing. That’s one of those things you don’t discover till you own it and wear it for a while.
@@JustBlueFish It sure is. I couldn't figure out exactly what was "off" until about a week straight of wearing it and resizing the bracelet several times.
Hope fully they upgrade the bracelet
@@oscarosullivan4513 I'd happily shell out the money for a new bracelet or clasp.
I had exactly the same problem on my 7.25" wrist. Due to a lack of articulation the bracelet clasp actually wears bigger than the watch head! I re-used my BB58 end links and switched the rest of the bracelet to a 5 digit Sub bracelet. The clasp is stamped, but fits much better, with more micro adjust holes.
Happen to be in the Orlando area today... and yes, I stopped by DavidSW for the purpose of checking out the Black Bay 58. The sales people were very helpful. Granted we did not end up purchasing my BB58 today though the visit did cement the 58's position as my grail watch. Thank you for the review. I did tell them that you sent me by. Best of luck, ~B
Thanks William, and enjoy the 58!
@@JustBlueFish, sorry that was supposed to say we did not buy it... though I think she went back later and purchased it. I will let you know.
.. Had one.. Sold it.. Had a BB red in house.. Sold it.. Boring.. 😅
I agree with all the comments. I would however like to see the watch in person though. It's kind of growing on me, but my first time seeing it I hated the new look, especially with love at first sight with ocean rover 2. I have no watch police in me at all so really dont care about the history. Atleast they make a beautiful watch, being a OR2 owner.
You’ve definitely been slacking!/clueless!
What watches have you been looking at, the last two years!😀
Felt like we're listening to a black bay overview from Henry Hill on Goodfellas...."As far as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster."
I have owned this watch for a year now and it still blows me away every time I strap it on.
Took delivery of my black bay last week and love it, mainly because...I avoided the 58.
I got the 'heritage' 41, and for me, it's much better.
Why? 1 - why get what everyone else is buying? The 58 is everywhere l, meaning the 41mm is much rarer to find on wrist and also likely more of a sleeper in terms of resale value.
2) I much prefer the larger size. It fits fine on my 6.5 wrist. It's a tool watch. I'd rather be able to see remaining dive time rather than admiring the smaller size while guessing.
Honestly, I wouldn't chase around after the 58. Give the full size 41 a shot instead.
41mm is a better size for men. But it's too thick so top heavy.
I just didn’t vibe with the 41. But awesome they have both options.
I just tried on both and I find the 41 red bezel a little better looking but unfortunately way too thick and slab sided.
@@mrbacchus6127 yes, the proportions of the 41mm version are not the best. The new Sub 41mm is pure perfection.
Very time i see a Burgundy BB41 in the wild, it really caught attention and it really pops , the BB58 is much subtle in size and color
I have glide lock in my Seiko Marine Master 300. I hate it. If that makes sense. Lol.
Guy - good review of a good watch. That Seiko SPB143 is also a great watch. Take care.
Thanks buddy. Stay tuned for the SPB video. I just got it recently.
Great review. Totally agree with all points except for the hands (I’m a fan:).
Wear mine almost every other day 👌
I am still waiting for the 58 red bezel version with glidelock bracelet. Can't be that far away if you look how many colors are already out.
Been trying to figure out whether to buy the black or the blue or maybe a Seamaster in a totally different style.
Great review and you nailed all the high points and the low points are very accurate. For me, I prefer the non-bracelet versions because the faux rivets would be a dealer breaker.
I just bought a BB58, getting it WED!
Great video Guy.....My new Grail!
Great review. My main watch is currently my Tudor North Flag which I love. The 58 could possibly be my next watch purchase but I’m back into my buying guitars mode for now.
Me too! Just one more guitar haha. I need a Strat. And an SG. And a Tele. And a Jackson… ya that’s all.
@@JustBlueFish haha I just got an Ibanez JEM JR and did a brief review on my channel. I might do upgrades not sure yet.
I like this watch because it’s not a Rolex
A good review, I'm in the market for another watch and Tudor is strongly on my mind especially the black bay 58. I need to see one in the flesh to really make my mind up.
I bought the Black Bay S & G what a great watch, I compared the 58 to the S & G and just fell for it over the 58.
I have the spb143 too bro! Love that watch. And was also on the fence about getting a bb58 but this definitely helped me make my decision. Thanks!
Nice, that SPB143 is cool. I just got it recently. I’ll have a video on it in the next week or so.
great, but too small. It should be 41mm, and I dont like non-ceramic or sapphire bezels
Great review...love this watch....
Well you are not that late to the party. Just did my review on the BB58 yesterday and owned it for a little bit. Great review 🤝🍻
The heritage model in 41mm is my daily on my 7in wrist. Dudes complain about the thickness yet will wear a seiko diver or planet ocean which is just as thick. The main thing is how well balanced the weight is.
they are all too small. rolex, tudor, omega. i like 47-48mm. none of these companies make grown up sized watches.
@@louiscyfer6944 48mm watch is giant
@@sirsaltines4667 8.5" wrist. feels just right. most of my friends wear watches that size, but most of them have wrists even bugger than mine.
@@louiscyfer6944 Makes sense with a large wrist. For my 7" wrist I would look like a clown
The Omega Seamaster Diver 300 on rubber is under 5000… and trounces Tudor in finish (objective), movement (objective), design (subjective), and history (Tudor will always be tied to Rolex as the “lesser than” sibling).
I don’t dislike Tudor. Their cool retro designs are great. But the hype they get is only due to their relation to Rolex. They sit next to Oris and nothing more. Oris is probably slightly above, since they have original designs.
I’d go so far as to say that Seiko’s SPB151 Captain Willard is a better watch as well. The movements might not be anywhere near up to snuff with Tudor, but the case design is original and made superbly. And it only costs $1200.
I guess it all is a matter of preference/taste. I own a BB58 and a Bond Seamaster 300 2531.80. I prefer both over the modern Seamaster 300, which I found to be too thick and aggressively flashy in its styling/finishing when I tried it on at my local Omega AD. I don’t, however, have any quibble with your observation that the Coaxial movement is superior. I do also love being able to walk into an Omega AD and try on/buy their most popular models.
@@pauldame2784 Hey Paul. That’s where these click bait titles get it wrong… certain things are entirely subjective. The Omega is objectively a better watch, but for some, could be subjectively inferior. We all have different tastes. Sadly, for new people in the hobby, these type of videos do a disservice when claiming one watch to be anything without showing all the top options and explaining truly objective information rather than host bias and opinion. Too many channels, news outlets, etc. have gone opinion instead of sticking to the facts to let people make an informed decision on what they like.
I put it all on mute and look at the pretty pictures. 😂 😂 😂
BTW. That Bond watch is gorgeous!!
Love the size and vintage vibe of the 58 as well. Nice two watch collection. 👍
I find the Seamaster butt ugly. What a goofy design ! The BB58 is pure class.
O have the Seamaster Diver 300 in white with a rubber strap, I wear it as my Friday or weekend watch, for a daily driver I wear bb58 or Ranger, they are very different watches, Omega is better built, better movement, and a better brand, but the 58 is not far behind imho. Cheers!
Good vid. In terms of "value for money", Pete from Not so obvious watches said something like "above $15 - the price of a cheap casio - the idea of value goes out the window".... I tend to agree. Let's face it - nobody needs a luxury watch... so I would never buy a watch because its cheap or good value for money. I would rather get exactly what I'm looking for, no matter what cost (currently thinking Explorer 1 36mm or a new Oyster Perpetual)....I would rather enjoy my F91W and G shock, and wait patiently even if it takes years to save for something at 'grail' level...
I tried on the bb58, but felt the design was just flat and dull. Didn't really sing... but that's just personal preference
Haha so true. But, as much as I love my Casio watches. It’s a little less fun than a Rolex, Omega, Tudor, etc!
@@JustBlueFish i like my bulova and citizen better than those. the only one i would even consider is the grand seiko spring drive.
I walked into my local AD a couple weeks ago, to look at another watch, but I walked out with the 58 in navy blue in a bracelet. There is only one negative…it’s been a struggle to get a perfect fit. It needs a 4th micro adjustment or a half link. Other than that, this watch is awesome.
I had trouble getting a good fit too. I swapped the BB58 U-shaped end links onto a 5 digit Sub bracelet with a ton of adjustment holes and solved that problem.
Look out for uncle seiko, he's trying to work a half link for your problems!
I very recently (Nov 2021) bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue on the bracelet to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've owned for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, very well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear. Although not quite up there with the Rolex steel Sub in the absolute quality stakes - but why should it be when barely 40% of the retail price - go to an AD and try one on. In-house COSC certified movement, 70 hrs power reserve, staggering lume.... you won't be disappointed.
I would say best at the price point, period. Not just diver. I hate divers, like, really don't like them at all, yet I can't stop loving 58. Only care about the black one though. None of the others have that charm and warmth.
Only other diver I don't despise is the SM300, but that's a tier up in price.
This has been on list since 2018....I might finally give in when they do a micro adjust T clasp
Looks like you’re over compensating for the long hiatus you took away from videos. Not that it’s a bad thing. I like your format and perspective.
Bought my Air King from Davidsw.I can't see myself buying from another dealer.
David is awesome. You do pay market price, but the service and security has so much value! Buy the dealer. Not the watch. And you will always have a good experience.
@@JustBlueFish When i bought mine I didn't have to pay online out of state internet tax.So it turned out to be a great deal.
Excellent review and I am getting this exact watch. Just waiting for it to arrive at my local AD. I absolutely love everything about the BB58 (except for the lack of glide-lock clasp).
Just keep a tooth pick handy. It’s easy.
@@yousif4646 Thanks. I picked one up yesterday on the leather strap. I liked the way the leather picks up the warm tones of the dial. Loving the watch!
@@dannyg6592 you’ll appreciate it even more and it’s also a beast of a strap monster anyways. Happy for you pal
What kind of discounts can you get on a Tudor? I’m guessing basically none. But I was able to buy a brand new SMP 300 M from an authorized dealer for $4100 on bracelet. End it destroys the black pay 58 and every conceivable way. So I think the SMP is hands-down the best watch for under $5000 no question.
Agreed. There’s no intelligent argument to be had against this statement with regards to quality per dollar. The Omega is far better.
Some may like the Tudor looks better (probably with slight brand bias thanks to Rolex), but the Omega is a better watch by leaps and bounds.
@@strapped2time I don’t know that I would agree with that . I own the smp 300 and think it has glaring deficiencies. The movement is fantastic but the bezel action is tiny and very cheap feeling , the bracelet Is clunky and heavy . My chrome dial the transfer application is very faint and looks very blurred in certain lights . I still quite like the piece but feel that it just dosent have the tactile feeling or look of true quality .
@@Tonysoprano497 you bring up subjective differences.
The bracelet is hated by some and loved by others. I find it more comfortable that the modern submariner bracelet. The one advantage I give to the Sub is the glide lock. Otherwise, Omegas is better, IMO (all subjective). The bezel is great, and for true divers wearing gloves, turns with ease. I feel this is made like a true tool watch for divers and less for desk divers. I’m ok with that. The Sub definitely feels better (Tudor is equal feeing for me). The dial, I’m not quite sure I understand your complaint?? I do know that legibility with that dial variant is why I didn’t go chrome (Originally found it striking). I have the blue variant and the white dial (which I find to be absolute perfection). These both have great legibility.
The dials material and design, case design complexity, and finish are all above Tudor when you sit them next to each other.
That doesn’t mean someone won’t love the Tudor more. That’s completely understandable.
All watches, including Rolex, have QC issues, which is why I don’t let those cloud my view. I’ve had QC issues with all watches, mass produced or hand assembled.
@@strapped2time perhaps but then again there is often a very thin line between the subjective and objective view . Don’t agree that it’s any more of a true divers watch than any other of its competitors so can’t agree with your view regarding the cheap bezel action . The bezel is quite awkward to turn with fingers alone would think this would be a whole lot worse with thick wet divers gloves . I personally think that it very much feels that it is at the bottom of the omega food chain . As stated despite what I believe to be deficiencies I do still rather like it .
@@Tonysoprano497 agreed that without gloves, the bezel isn’t easy to turn. With gloves is definitely a whole other story. A breeze with gloves. The action is definitely subjective, because I find it great. Tactile and solid. Definitely don’t experience the tinny feel/sound you describe on either of mine.
I know the bezel grip is a point of contention for some, but don’t really hear complaints about the actual action until now.
But to each their own.
I understand everything is subjective but if someone doesn't like the handset for a watch at this price point I think that would be a deal breaker for most. I also am not a fan of snow flake hands. Good video.
Definitely a subjective issue for me, but I can't stand that the brushing on the lugs does not line up with the bracelet. It looks like a total mismatch!
Nice review. I have recently acquired the Silver 925 - and wish it had a metal bracelet. Good vid. Keep at it!
Very cool video. I had a black 58 for about a year and loved everything about it. Ended up selling it and got a Sub but I still miss the 58.
its very nice but i could never choose this over the omega seamaster pro, the new version knocks it out of the park, if they made this watch with a gloss black dial and bezel though id think about it
You can get an SMP300 pre-owned for under €5k so no I'd say it's nit the best!
This is my most worn and favorite watch. My own complaint is that the bracelet clasp is too long. The folding part, not the locking part.
Better late than never Guy, at least a review that was not swayed or anything by the initial hype. It's good to get a refreshed view some time later as well. A great review that I can't really disagree with the point s you made, I can't really comment if this could be a single watch in my rotation as like you I have a few others. My first view was of the blue version but while I really liked it the black one was on my mind so I waited a few months for the black one. I think I made the right choice as to me this is the most versatile version currently made.
Hahaha! This was the best and funniest Tudor Black Bay 58 review I’ve seen! Looks perfect on your wrist.
I have one in the basket with an online AD, here in the U.K. these are 1k more pre owned than buying new, incredible. Great review.
The fact that it only has 200 meter of water resistance is killing the watch for me. I had a water ingress before in a watch rated 200 meters when I jumped from a high elevation into the water. 20 bar is a momentary pressure level easily outdone with water sports like jet ski, surfing etc.
Are you serious ?
Based on a video done by the guy from long island watch, the static vs dynamic pressure issue you are referencing is pretty much a myth. And, he’s apparently an engineer by background so I’ll assume he’s correct. He laid out some pretty complex math in the video to back up his claim, which was well above my head. That said, I suspect you just had a watch who’s water resistance failed. And that can happen to any watch pretty much.
@@JustBlueFish well , the watch company itself gave me that explanation about their very own watch. I don't think they would give me that explanation if they didn't think it was very likely. Also I had the watch pressure tested previous to that particular vacation. I don't see any other explanation tbh.
@@JustBlueFish so I watched the video and I must mention that his calculations do expect that that watch is already submerged. This completely ignores the pushback of water tension when jumping from air into the water. Pressure levels will be greatly increased through the surface tension of water. So, basically, his math is not wrong but doesn't take all variables into account. The great risk for water ingress comes from falling of a surfboard or jumping off into the water at the moment, the watch touches the surface with a considerable speed, not when the watch is already submerged.
very nice. i do like it but i would get the silver one like that more cheers
I loved the silver but no bracelet! I need a bracelet haha.
@@JustBlueFish yes would be nice on silver bracelet and more expensive it bet....
A rolex homage done by Rolex itself via Tudor does that make sense? I have it and like it a lot
Great watch. This and the seamster 300 are probably the best vintage inspired dive watches.
Oh and move to Canada, you’ll get to really love snowflakes..........
Late but great and spot on. One of the best BB58 reviews, easy.
Please can I ask- Are Michele watches a good investment?
Unless you’re rich af, never ever spend thousands of dollars on a watch that doesn’t even have a date complication.
Some PP Calatravas would like a word after Mr Daytona and Mr Speedmaster professional chime in.
Hola desde España
Me encantaría una reseña acerca del spb143, el cual poseo y me encanta
Not late. I can always watch more videos on this model.
the flake are what make the black bay sorry guy.
Gold gilt was common on early Swiss divers
One of my grails the one you have in the video
I want this guy to read me a bedtime story
For the right price!
@@JustBlueFish 🤣 I have the full size Black Bay and love it but fully agree with the criticisms you have
Los enganches dela correa son horribles, para el reloj que es
The second wave of Guy.......
Just received mine from the Tudor Boutique in Melbourne 🇦🇺 today.. Great watch indeed
Hi,
I'm from Melbourne also.
How long was the wait if you don't mind me asking?
@@brentongooch5494 About a month not more.. I went for the black one. Better to drop by at the boutique and check in person
Best money can buy. Love the BB58 in black. I was expecting you do go into the ghosting position of the crown. I think it still has a date position.
Actually can’t say I noticed a ghost position. Interesting if true.
im wearing mine now and I cant find a ghost position lol
Hey Guy. I prefer my BB41. I thought l woud like the 58 better. I don't as it turns out....
Well, we like the 58 better.
@@tomislavm2873. Of course you do. Members of the IBWC always do..
41mm is a better size for men.
@@maitrehg well your mother thinks I'm man enough.
The 41 didn’t vibe for me. Super nice, but not the right size and fit.
The Sub is the best watch ever. If you can't afford it, the Tudor BB is the best choice.
I think I agree.
Nonsense :-)
Sorry the Sub is an over produced diver, for the same price you could buy a Sea Dweller 16600 with less produced numbers in produced and if you only had to own one Rolex it should be a Sea Dweller.
Why people do dive watches reviews, when literally NOBODY takes them to go dive and judge how readable and functional they are UNDER the deep?
Bezel action and reliablility can ONLY be judged IF UNDER WATER.
Good review, disagree. You can get an Omegas Seamaster for less than $5K and the Tudor doesn't compare to the quality and refinement of the Omega. I have both!
GS diver kicks ass at just over $5K and maybe even better than the Omega seamaster . GS and Seamaster are better than the Rolex Sub.
Awful, gotta be the Seamaster - in another league imho- better movement, its own original design, more prestigious marque, better materials and well under £5k.
Cheers Mate 👍🏻
The Seamaster is butt ugly. What a goofy design !
@@maitrehg 😱 sacreligious!! At least it's an original design, unlike the Bland Bays 😉
This design is timeless because it is pure perfection. Omega tries too hard and the result is an awkward design to say the least.
@@maitrehg" one man's meat is another man's poison ". As the saying goes - for me the Seamaster is an iconic functional glamorous design with cutting edge movement , and the Tudor is a Sub homage clearly I'm in the minority given the popularity of the BBs tho. For me the only Tudor I'd really like to own is the North Flag, gutted it was dropped.. We're both equally entrenched in our positions, there's no right or wrong. Both great watches, just different tastes. Cheers mate.
@@stevefox8605 I have a lot of respect for the Omega brand and their movements. However, I don't like their designs at all. A matter of taste. I prefer the understated and timeless look of the Rolex / Tudor. And I'm very picky about the bracelets !