As someone who lives in the arid western part of the country, I miss out on the beauty of the east. Beautiful landscapes over there, thanks for showing those parts of the drive. BTW, you have a 2 minute segment around 14:30 that repeats itself.
13:50 Love the layout of that SC location (FL Turnpike Turkey Lake Service Plaza has same architecture). It’s ready-made for CCS vehicles like my F150L (hopefully in just a few months) - simply back-in! Wish they were all like that, but with no curb at the end dispenser, for pull-thru trailer rigs.
Been goingnfurther and further with my my. With the mapping showing you the next charger and expected amt of charge left, really helps me to let go the anxiety. Never see more than 2 other cars at 8+ charging stations. Sit and charge, pkay some chess. Catch up work texts anf emails. No stinky gas station. Love it.
23:00 The $6/hr L2 charging is actually a great idea, for three reasons: 1) it makes people more inclined to charge only enough to get to the next DCFC; 2) it makes it possible for only two chargers to be shared among all of the guests who need them, and 3) it discourages someone from using the charger for overnight parking (as there may be later arrivals who need some juice even more than someone who arrived and plugged in earlier). If overnight parking was what you had intended, Branden, no disrespect meant, but I wish all destination L2 charging would adopt this $6/hr model. Perhaps an even better variation would be $1 for the first hour, then $6/hr for the next two hours, then $10/hr for beyond three hours.
Fixed $2 to initiate plus 50 cents per kwh is max reasonable on hotel L2. Nicer hotels should be free to charge but need to find a way to discourage non-guest charging. Hotel should simply install more units if that's going to be an advertised amenity. EV drivers are not going to be motivated to move their vehicles later in the evening for late arriving guests. Proper hotel EV amenity would be more L2 which are a little further from front desk to prevent icing. Also include stanchions to prevent these spaces from attracting a trailered vehicle parked horizontally blocking multiple spaces.
@@brandenflaschSo it has to be first-come, first-served, the heck with the poor fool who arrives with a flat battery after you’ve already plugged in for the night? Law of the Jungle? There are already too many EVs on the road, to encourage one driver to tie up a destination charger all night. High rates (for charging) are the best way of rationing any scarce commodity.
The problem is once you leave the cities or the interstate, chargers get slower and more rare. Most of the ones around me are like 8kw or 25kw... Basically would take all night to charge up... Not many 250kW chargers once you leave the cities or highways unfortunately.
Ha! Was just at some of the places you were at two days ago. Did Boston, Salem, & New Hampshire. Highly highly recommended you take the Tesla on the Mount Washington Auto Road, NH to the summit if you are still up in the area & have the time. We were just there and used 15kwh on the 8 mile climb and gained back 8 on the way down. 2023 LR AWD Model Y
I ran into the same destination charger issue (huge price per hour and I was sharing the connection) at a Hilton Garden Inn. I complained online about that. Hopefully, hotels will start to include destination chargers for free or at least a reasonable rate. i would be curious to see what your charging experience is like in Maine. I'm in Vermont and once you get off the interstates, the charging options go way down.
I think all of Maine's Superchargers are currently $0.42/KWh. Some of the ones in the Boston area are even more during the day. New England power prices are among the highest in the Lower 48.
On my last road trip from Ohio to West Texas in My Bolt EV. I ran into a guy west of Memphis. He had an Ioniq 5. We were chatting about home Utility rates. He was shocked at my home rate of $0.12 per Kwh.. He said he was paying $0.67 per Kwh.. CRAZY HIGH. He was from California.. I think San Diego. That was DOUBLE the rate at the EA station we were at..
It's a complicated problem. The California doesn't help itself by having unbelievable regulations for everything. You run a special blend of gasoline didn't no one else uses, that contributes to your sky-high gas prices. And I'm sure a similar situation is true with your electric grid. Certainly solar would help. We don't use that out here in the Southwest even though it would aid us even more. But we have plentiful fossil fuels and also some nuclear.
@@kens97sto171 I think you misunderstood my comment. I know the California utilities use plenty of solar and quite a bit of wind, and several more gigawatts of wind is coming from Wyoming through a new powerline being constructed now, but what I meant was more and more customers installing their own solar. The main issue with their rates is all the wildfires every year, many of which are caused by powerlines, which in turn ruins the powerlines and adds to costly repairs and replacements yearly, not to mention costly lawsuit settlements. The solution is solar parking lots. By that I mean Walmart Supercenter parking lots covered with solar providing power locally, negating the need for costly powerlines and their costly maintenance. Not only power for the stores, but for EV chargers. A single Walmart Supercenter parking lot full of 500 watt panels can charge 200 EVs per hour on version 3 (and even 4) DC fast chargers. And that's not counting it's roof, which can power the store and another 100 EVs every hour. Now imagine all Walmarts, Targets, Home Depots, Lowe's, major malls, etc full of solar parking lots. That's what's coming. And, once again, it'll all start in California. Just like EVs and Tesla itself did. In fact, it has already begun. Ironically, all driven by those high rates, and high gas prices, which push people to their limits and drive the changes.
Glad your road trip was so uneventful. Always enjoy your well made videos! Your friend Kyle related a horrific road trip in California with rude EV drivers that broke into waiting lines, with many charging unnecessarily to 100%, and a dead bank of Tesla Superchargers in Bakersfield; that horrified me so much that I have decided not to buy any EV, even a Tesla until the infrastructure is more in place, maybe never. I'm not brave enough to go on a road trip with half-baked technology and maybe it is not so wise with the self-centered mentality of America that is now the norm. I drove 1000 miles to Montana using my old Subaru Forester and only had to gas up twice with my biggest delay waiting for a hamburger at McDonald's. A trip in a Tesla would have required four charging stops and having to deal with backing into a space, perhaps sparing with other drivers who don't observe etiquette for waiting in line.
How far north can you go in a MY? I mapped a trip from Minneapolis to Anchorage, Alaska. The last Tesla Supercharger is in Prince George, BC, about 1700 miles north of Minneapolis. So, perhaps 250 further north before I need to find a bear or a pack of wolves to push/pull me the rest of the way😊
@@thomasruwart1722 Nova Scotia's a little short on charging infrastructure, but you can still make it most everywhere in the province if you're careful.
Northern BC is a little painful right now. BC Hydro is just opening a new DCFC north of Fort St John, but as of now there's no DCFC north of that until you reach the Yukon Territory (though BC Hydro is promising new DCFCs on the route next year) The Yukon is surprisingly good for such a remote northern jurisdiction, with 50kWh DCFCs in all highway communities. (Source: I live in Whitehorse and drive a Mach-E)
Also: if traveling to Alaska from the east I wouldn't go all the way to Prince George (that's quite a bit out of your way). There's a new Supercharger under construction at Valleyview, AB and there are 3rd party options that should get you to Fort Nelson, BC.
Where did you order the silver "T E S L A" lettering emblems that's on the rear of your Model Y? Did the shop install it on top of the PPF they installed? Was looking to do the same thing (full PPF + TESLA badging on the back)
Thanks Branden. Do you know of a way to prioritize supercharger stops based on the cost per kWh? I find that my Tesla route planning often sends me to a particular supercharger station while there is another much cheaper one a few miles away (with lots of available charging stations). Thanks!
Hearing him talk about VA and you can get arrested in my atupid ass state for going normal (imo) speeds for roadtrip big boy interstates is so hard to hear.....stupid ass state i live in. Really enjoyed the vid btw
@@brandenflasch I agree about the moving parts,but typically only really expensive fixes,Transmission and engine replacement. On a Tesla you have Cameras,pre mature tire wear and God for bid the battery goes out and no warranty!
How come you are charging 100% in a 4680 battery.. I was told by Tesla “do not go higher than 80% “. Isn’t 100% charge will reduce your battery life.. ?
Would it mess up the battery integrity at all? I have the same battery 4680 as yours, Texas built…. But I was told to go as high as 90 no more than that…on trips I thought LFP was only that can be charge 100%…, Is that the case, I will follow your advise… thank you so much … Keep up the good work!!! Love your Channel….👏👏
I can’t imagine leaving for a road trip at noon. I’d be up at 6-7 am before traffic. By the way, you don’t need to do the intro to the car every time. If we watch your channel we know. ;-)
@@brandenflasch On how much real normal people not living above their means can afford to pay for a car. All car companies need 20 - 25k base econo model that people can afford the Model y would sell better at a more reasonable price point. EV car companies are finding out that people don't want their 40-80k cars. None of the are selling verywell.
On a 1000 mile roadtrip i'd see no savings on taking my Model 3 vs taking my Ford Fusion. At .40/kwh vs 3.25/gallon--30-32mpg @ 75-80mph vs 260wh/miles..it would be almost the same cost. We have talked about going out to California and i'd probably take the Ford--it also has a 17.5 gallon fuel tank so can cover a huge amount of miles between fill ups. I feel like gasoline prices are still to low for normie masses to make the jump to EV.
Pretty sure no one with any type of mental illness should ever use a EV - EVs have anxiety written all over them unless for local travel only. I notice EV enthusiasts seem to be constantly worried/working on where to charge and range. So EV not good for many people. EVs are quiet to drive so that is good for anxiety. USA should give small EVs to people with mental ills - probably 10 times better than a psychobabbler (AND cheaper!!!)
Gotta love our Charton SC where if anyone ever has to use the pull in one on the end because theyre pulling a trailer the drive through entrance to McDs is completely blocked... how they didnt catch that during permits is crazy. If you havent already swung back home and end up needing to stop at the Danvers SC (one of the newest in MA) I'd love a ping and can swing by for a hello hopefully and woudn't mind checking out that sweet wrap. person!(@bvtechie on all the things)
Thread for the trip here: x.com/brandenflasch/status/1714695536320623084?s=46&t=qT5Mqn6Y80K93tBN1ZDU0Q
The I-81 corridor is so scenic. Also the leaves are changing so just the perfect time for your trip.
I hope those $6/hr L2 destination chargers that only charge at 6kw are not a growing trend.
As someone who lives in the arid western part of the country, I miss out on the beauty of the east. Beautiful landscapes over there, thanks for showing those parts of the drive.
BTW, you have a 2 minute segment around 14:30 that repeats itself.
Happy to hear you are good and safe Branden! Great video btw!
13:50 Love the layout of that SC location (FL Turnpike Turkey Lake Service Plaza has same architecture). It’s ready-made for CCS vehicles like my F150L (hopefully in just a few months) - simply back-in! Wish they were all like that, but with no curb at the end dispenser, for pull-thru trailer rigs.
Excellent timing! Planning a round trip in a rented M3 LR from Montreal to DC for Thanksgiving next month 😊
Smart man! Its cheaper to rent a Tesla than to own one over a 10 year span! Lol. I'm surprised at how many people bought into the 'Tesla Cult' lol.
Been goingnfurther and further with my my. With the mapping showing you the next charger and expected amt of charge left, really helps me to let go the anxiety. Never see more than 2 other cars at 8+ charging stations. Sit and charge, pkay some chess. Catch up work texts anf emails. No stinky gas station. Love it.
23:00 The $6/hr L2 charging is actually a great idea, for three reasons:
1) it makes people more inclined to charge only enough to get to the next DCFC;
2) it makes it possible for only two chargers to be shared among all of the guests who need them, and
3) it discourages someone from using the charger for overnight parking (as there may be later arrivals who need some juice even more than someone who arrived and plugged in earlier).
If overnight parking was what you had intended, Branden, no disrespect meant, but I wish all destination L2 charging would adopt this $6/hr model.
Perhaps an even better variation would be $1 for the first hour, then $6/hr for the next two hours, then $10/hr for beyond three hours.
I couldn’t disagree more on every point.
Fixed $2 to initiate plus 50 cents per kwh is max reasonable on hotel L2. Nicer hotels should be free to charge but need to find a way to discourage non-guest charging.
Hotel should simply install more units if that's going to be an advertised amenity. EV drivers are not going to be motivated to move their vehicles later in the evening for late arriving guests. Proper hotel EV amenity would be more L2 which are a little further from front desk to prevent icing. Also include stanchions to prevent these spaces from attracting a trailered vehicle parked horizontally blocking multiple spaces.
@@brandenflaschSo it has to be first-come, first-served, the heck with the poor fool who arrives with a flat battery after you’ve already plugged in for the night? Law of the Jungle? There are already too many EVs on the road, to encourage one driver to tie up a destination charger all night. High rates (for charging) are the best way of rationing any scarce commodity.
@carsonassociates3263 no. The solution is more ports.
Agree with Brandon: more ports and reasonably priced. Why bother attracting guests with EV's then charging exorbitant fee.
You watch as the years go by charging is going to be outrageous
The problem is once you leave the cities or the interstate, chargers get slower and more rare. Most of the ones around me are like 8kw or 25kw... Basically would take all night to charge up... Not many 250kW chargers once you leave the cities or highways unfortunately.
27:03 You can see the New All Electric Amazon Rivian Vans in the far right lane
Ha! Was just at some of the places you were at two days ago. Did Boston, Salem, & New Hampshire. Highly highly recommended you take the Tesla on the Mount Washington Auto Road, NH to the summit if you are still up in the area & have the time. We were just there and used 15kwh on the 8 mile climb and gained back 8 on the way down. 2023 LR AWD Model Y
I ran into the same destination charger issue (huge price per hour and I was sharing the connection) at a Hilton Garden Inn. I complained online about that. Hopefully, hotels will start to include destination chargers for free or at least a reasonable rate. i would be curious to see what your charging experience is like in Maine. I'm in Vermont and once you get off the interstates, the charging options go way down.
I think all of Maine's Superchargers are currently $0.42/KWh. Some of the ones in the Boston area are even more during the day. New England power prices are among the highest in the Lower 48.
On my last road trip from Ohio to West Texas in My Bolt EV. I ran into a guy west of Memphis. He had an Ioniq 5.
We were chatting about home Utility rates. He was shocked at my home rate of $0.12 per Kwh..
He said he was paying $0.67 per Kwh.. CRAZY HIGH. He was from California.. I think San Diego.
That was DOUBLE the rate at the EA station we were at..
@@kens97sto171That's why they need to install solar there with all the San Diego sun all year round.
It's a complicated problem. The California doesn't help itself by having unbelievable regulations for everything. You run a special blend of gasoline didn't no one else uses, that contributes to your sky-high gas prices. And I'm sure a similar situation is true with your electric grid.
Certainly solar would help.
We don't use that out here in the Southwest even though it would aid us even more. But we have plentiful fossil fuels and also some nuclear.
@@kens97sto171 I think you misunderstood my comment. I know the California utilities use plenty of solar and quite a bit of wind, and several more gigawatts of wind is coming from Wyoming through a new powerline being constructed now, but what I meant was more and more customers installing their own solar. The main issue with their rates is all the wildfires every year, many of which are caused by powerlines, which in turn ruins the powerlines and adds to costly repairs and replacements yearly, not to mention costly lawsuit settlements.
The solution is solar parking lots. By that I mean Walmart Supercenter parking lots covered with solar providing power locally, negating the need for costly powerlines and their costly maintenance. Not only power for the stores, but for EV chargers. A single Walmart Supercenter parking lot full of 500 watt panels can charge 200 EVs per hour on version 3 (and even 4) DC fast chargers. And that's not counting it's roof, which can power the store and another 100 EVs every hour.
Now imagine all Walmarts, Targets, Home Depots, Lowe's, major malls, etc full of solar parking lots. That's what's coming. And, once again, it'll all start in California. Just like EVs and Tesla itself did. In fact, it has already begun. Ironically, all driven by those high rates, and high gas prices, which push people to their limits and drive the changes.
This dude is fucking yappin Fr
Lol fr cuzzy this dude is annoying
No one is forcing you to watch it
Glad your road trip was so uneventful. Always enjoy your well made videos!
Your friend Kyle related a horrific road trip in California with rude EV drivers that broke into waiting lines, with many charging unnecessarily to 100%, and a dead bank of Tesla Superchargers in Bakersfield; that horrified me so much that I have decided not to buy any EV, even a Tesla until the infrastructure is more in place, maybe never. I'm not brave enough to go on a road trip with half-baked technology and maybe it is not so wise with the self-centered mentality of America that is now the norm. I drove 1000 miles to Montana using my old Subaru Forester and only had to gas up twice with my biggest delay waiting for a hamburger at McDonald's. A trip in a Tesla would have required four charging stops and having to deal with backing into a space, perhaps sparing with other drivers who don't observe etiquette for waiting in line.
Here in Belgium, on the highway, they are asking 80 cents per KW for 150kw/h max
Extremely easy, yep. And EVs don't spew toxic air pollution everywhere like gas vehicles do, so the air is much cleaner.
You have the same clip at 12:45 and 14:32
Oops
How much was the wrap and where in Charlotte did you get it? I am in Winston Salem NC.
Good stuff. Dont Like too much the behaviour of those batteries, a bit slow on Charging
Agreed
How far north can you go in a MY? I mapped a trip from Minneapolis to Anchorage, Alaska. The last Tesla Supercharger is in Prince George, BC, about 1700 miles north of Minneapolis. So, perhaps 250 further north before I need to find a bear or a pack of wolves to push/pull me the rest of the way😊
You can go quite far on the east coast
@@brandenflasch - good to know - I am contemplating a trip from Minneapolis to Detroit to Maine and then Nova Scotia next summer.
@@thomasruwart1722 Nova Scotia's a little short on charging infrastructure, but you can still make it most everywhere in the province if you're careful.
Northern BC is a little painful right now. BC Hydro is just opening a new DCFC north of Fort St John, but as of now there's no DCFC north of that until you reach the Yukon Territory (though BC Hydro is promising new DCFCs on the route next year)
The Yukon is surprisingly good for such a remote northern jurisdiction, with 50kWh DCFCs in all highway communities.
(Source: I live in Whitehorse and drive a Mach-E)
Also: if traveling to Alaska from the east I wouldn't go all the way to Prince George (that's quite a bit out of your way). There's a new Supercharger under construction at Valleyview, AB and there are 3rd party options that should get you to Fort Nelson, BC.
Where did you get the Tesla letters on the lift gate?
Abstract Ocean
@@brandenflasch Thank you!
Where did you order the silver "T E S L A" lettering emblems that's on the rear of your Model Y? Did the shop install it on top of the PPF they installed? Was looking to do the same thing (full PPF + TESLA badging on the back)
They installed it, but it’s from Abstract Ocean (it’s actually white). Use code “NOMAD” for 10% off
@@brandenflasch Thanks so much, will check that out!
What is the device next to the iPhone?
Radar detector
Thanks Branden. Do you know of a way to prioritize supercharger stops based on the cost per kWh? I find that my Tesla route planning often sends me to a particular supercharger station while there is another much cheaper one a few miles away (with lots of available charging stations). Thanks!
There isn’t a way
Not sure I could do a trip without getting the hotel reservation ahead of time... ;)
Do you mind saying where did you got your Mod3l Y wrapped and the cost?
Be careful in Virginia - Radar detectors are illegal. You can be pulled over for having one.
Had it unplugged the whole time in VA
Hearing him talk about VA and you can get arrested in my atupid ass state for going normal (imo) speeds for roadtrip big boy interstates is so hard to hear.....stupid ass state i live in. Really enjoyed the vid btw
You love traveling in that passing lane ….
Can you trust the Tesla calculation when it says 'enough charge to next charger' or do you give a 20% buffer over the Tesla calculation?
I add a bit more
@@brandenflasch Great advice! #1 thing that keeps me from going EV is the thought of all the cool tech breaking down,there go all the gas savings?
@kv1930 what exactly would break down? The drivetrain is simpler than gas and most gas cars have even more complex electronics
@@brandenflasch I agree about the moving parts,but typically only really expensive fixes,Transmission and engine replacement. On a Tesla you have Cameras,pre mature tire wear and God for bid the battery goes out and no warranty!
@kv1930 same risks on most new gas cars
That last stop is dark af. Super creepy.
How come you are charging 100% in a 4680 battery.. I was told by Tesla “do not go higher than 80% “. Isn’t 100% charge will reduce your battery life.. ?
On a road trip I use the whole battery
Would it mess up the battery integrity at all?
I have the same battery 4680 as yours, Texas built…. But I was told to go as high as 90 no more than that…on trips
I thought LFP was only that can be charge 100%…,
Is that the case, I will follow your advise… thank you so much …
Keep up the good work!!!
Love your Channel….👏👏
Drive more, worry less. Don’t do it daily or let it sit there but it’s fine
I can’t imagine leaving for a road trip at noon. I’d be up at 6-7 am before traffic.
By the way, you don’t need to do the intro to the car every time. If we watch your channel we know. ;-)
More than 80% of viewers are new to the channel, so intro is needed
I thought your car was supposed to do 250kw max?
Supposed to do 230kW max.
I hope you weren't in the area of the shooting. Are you good?
Not in the area luckily
Love the Model Y, but would love it better if it started a 28k before incentives and gas saved.
What are you basing that number on?
@@brandenflasch On how much real normal people not living above their means can afford to pay for a car. All car companies need 20 - 25k base econo model that people can afford the Model y would sell better at a more reasonable price point. EV car companies are finding out that people don't want their 40-80k cars. None of the are selling verywell.
@JenoFletter look at average new vehicle sale prices
@@brandenflasch doesn't mean people can afford them.
@JenoFletter clearly they can or it wouldn’t be the average sale price.
That level 2 charger at the Clinton NJ hotel is an outrageous ripoff. $6 an hour. Hotel charging right now sucks.
On a 1000 mile roadtrip i'd see no savings on taking my Model 3 vs taking my Ford Fusion. At .40/kwh vs 3.25/gallon--30-32mpg @ 75-80mph vs 260wh/miles..it would be almost the same cost. We have talked about going out to California and i'd probably take the Ford--it also has a 17.5 gallon fuel tank so can cover a huge amount of miles between fill ups. I feel like gasoline prices are still to low for normie masses to make the jump to EV.
Very true! EV's make great stop and go in town option, on the Freeway i.c.e is way more efficient.
EVs make much more sense when you can charge at home. The charging cost for 1 or 2 road trips a year is negligible at this point.
Branden, it seems the temps outside were cooler than in your tests this summer. Did you see any difference in charging curve this trip?
No difference at all
14:33 editing repeat.....
Mistakes happen 🤷♂️
Please stop recording in HDR. It’s blinding!
I feel like you're always in the passing lane
Loose the dorky glasses.
Pretty sure no one with any type of mental illness should ever use a EV - EVs have anxiety written all over them unless for local travel only.
I notice EV enthusiasts seem to be constantly worried/working on where to charge and range. So EV not good for many people.
EVs are quiet to drive so that is good for anxiety.
USA should give small EVs to people with mental ills - probably 10 times better than a psychobabbler (AND cheaper!!!)
Gotta love our Charton SC where if anyone ever has to use the pull in one on the end because theyre pulling a trailer the drive through entrance to McDs is completely blocked... how they didnt catch that during permits is crazy. If you havent already swung back home and end up needing to stop at the Danvers SC (one of the newest in MA) I'd love a ping and can swing by for a hello hopefully and woudn't mind checking out that sweet wrap. person!(@bvtechie on all the things)
$6 per hour charging WTF!!!!