SHOCKING CHEATING ALLEGATIONS In $5,300,000 Poker Tournament?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- The poker world has been rocked by allegations that Martin Kabrhel may have been marking cards at the World Series of Poker $250,000 Super High Roller tournament. Cheating at this scale would be unprecedented. High stakes pros such as Andrew Robl, Dan Smith, and Haralabos Voulgaris have stated their suspicions. But how much evidence is there? Let's dive in.
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As a current WSOP dealer this is my take.
1. They are probably using RFID cards that are thicker and very hard to mark
2. The deck is switched up every 30 min when a new dealer comes up, including RFIDs. He would have to mark both A spades or only cheat on the blue or red deck deal.
3. I can feel a fingernail imprint on a card when it comes out of my hand. If I feel one I look at the card and run my finger over the card to see if I did feel a problem. Then I move it in the light to see if the glare picks anything up. I know this dealer. If he suspected anything he would be seen messing with the cards.
4. This guy is annoying AF here, but so are other people. I had another pro use all 30 sec for every decision... when it got brought up he was open with his intention and the table said it was annoying but w/in rules.
Conclusion: innocent until proven guilty
Thank you.
There are contact lenses, very expensive, that are used primarily for industrial espionage. "Similar to Samsung's smart lenses" Can tag cards just by looking at them. I don't think that is the case with this player, I just want to mention that if someone decides to cheat, there are many ways to cheat.
"I can feel a fingernail imprint on a card when it comes out of my hand."
Interesting, but how can you do this when pitching a card only involves touching the very corners and edges of a card and not touching the majority center area of the card, which is where an indentation would most likely be?
When a dealer physically contacts a card and pitches it they are not touching the area of the card where an imprint would likely be, at least where this guy in the video was clearly gouging his fingertips and fingernails into the card.
I also saw dealers and pitbosses not give two shits about obvious marked cards and let the action continue anyways. They didn't give a shit other than 30 hands an hour and dropping that rake.
I'd be covering the back of my cards every time he stands up
it is the color marking, Apply marking pan ink on the finger tip or knuckle, red card using red ink , blue card using blue, just smearing certain white area, easy to do, but you can only see it at close range
As a dealer at the Orleans in Vegas, I found lots of thumbnail-marked wheel cards, and we were the room where locals went to play structured Omaha8, where wheel cards are very valuable.
Multiple floormen and even the poker room manager told me I was imagining things, told me it was probably the shuffle machines, and eventually told me to stop finding so many damaged cards.
It was extremely frustrating because the poker room manager came from the pit, not from poker, and he even asked me why people would mark low cards, even though he had to know we spread more O8 than most rooms in Vegas. The idea that marked cards could go unnoticed by multiple floormen is completely plausible to me, and it's one of the reasons I didn't go back to the Orleans after the pandemic.
So if you're playing O8 at Orleans... Watch out for those fingernail marks. 🤷♂️
I've seen marked aces. Dealer couldn't care less.
@@californiaplant-basedeater2761 poor lil guy, life has been pretty unfair to you, huh?
@@suprotwin LOL What???????????
@@suprotwin Let me guess: you are a dealer or floor person, who led a rough early life, got over it, and now you want to try to, what, make other people's lives difficult or something?
Well if you are a dealer or floor person at a casino, how about this? STFU and do your job and be gracious that casinos even exist for a person like you to have a job in the first place.
Have a nice day.
I dealt for 15 years in the Midwest on IOWA Riverboats we took it seriously and told people you get caught denting cards you will be banned at this Poker Room it stopped but we get a few, when a player would catch a marked or dented card it was removed right there.
Thanks for the content Doug. A very measured approach toward a player who, while I can't tell for sure if he's cheating, certainly seems willing to angle shoot, and wouldn't hesitate to use any advantage he can gain to win a hand.
If I could make a small editing suggestion, whenever you cut to live footage, the volume drops dramatically, and it's difficult to hear some of the things which you're responding to in your commentary. If you could normalize that volume a little bit, it would make the videos much easier to follow in general, without having to adjust the volume or get my ears blasted when you switch back to commentary.
Curious if anybody thought to look at his behavior at the start of each table he was at. If he is only doing all the weird staring behavior after a few circuits and after he has handled key cards and was seen possibly marking them, that kind of leans towards some subtle form of cheating.
He's a troll. He wants people to think he's cheating to mess with their heads. It's not hard to figure this out. His plays does not indicate that he knows what cards they have at all. It's not logically consistent with cheating. He's very likely innocent. People simply want him banned because he's annoying to play against.
Yea kind of obvious
He's been caught cheating in the past... so yeah, it's possible he's now just trolling. ofc he could be cheating again but it seems unlikely when it's surely so easy for there to be proof of this.
@@MwuesseWhen was he caught cheating?
you know all this based upon your many years of never having studying or knowing anything about the subject... thank you so much for your worthless input we are all so greateful for your chiming in here speculation and unfounded rumor is always so helpful
@@eetuhalonen9902 his girlfriend said he was because he was staying at the bunny ranch. He said he went there just to have drinks with a couple of "Friends"
They were all asked/told not to stand up while in a hand. And he did it multiple times, not just standing up, leaning over, and leering at other players and their cards...all with no penalty. That should have been where the penatlies started. Some sort of discipline..sit a hand, or a round. Something
Would this be something where a player in the nad would have to call it, like a string bet? If the floor told them no standing while in a hand, then I see no issue with it being a penalty. Just curious if any player at the table can call it or only a player in the hand.
What a load of bs. Players stand all the time at a poker table. They were probably asked not to stand during a hand because of the livestream. If the player broke the rules you can bet Dan Smith would have called him out, because he was in his head big time.
@@Bo88y22going into the final table WSOP made a rule banning standing up while a hand is active. The rule was made specifically for Martin. Yet he did it all the time with no penalties
@@Bo88y22 did you even watch the video ?? The dude was standing up and leaning into other players space to get a look at the cards to see if he could see a scratch on them how dumb are you😂😂
The other players should have complained real time this one guy ask for a misdeal I thought it was ploy get redealt. I joked semi serious I’m challenging next time he thought I had Aces. I thought he cheated.
I think you nailed this with your breakdown!! Great job! First video of yours that I have watched!
As a magician, scoring cards is very easy to do, and the clip of him applying pressure certainly is the route we’d do to score a card
no doubt
Magician? 😂😂😂
Those are not paper cards like the ones you handle, in casinos and tournaments you get plastic cards and those are not easy to mark.
Come on lol, why would he choose to do it at the moment when in view of the whole table instead of when the cards are with him on the edge away from view. He is clearly trying to tilt the opponates by forcing them to see his "cheating" .
@@maknavickas the narcissism of most cheaters shouldn't be ignored, even if he isn't cheating it's still bad for business for the organizers/casino to have a person sowing seeds of doubt in the integrity of the game. At the very least he should've been warned the instant he "feigned" marking a card.
Tournament manager is 100% to blame. They should NEVER allow this nonsense to continue.
He acted, I think...
2 Million, well played.
If he did acted it all out.
Every1 was on tilt.
Lol.
Let's see... what happens.
Casinos has 50 - 100 camera's...
He was not cheating !!!
The Casino is King.
if he was creating an illusion of cheating on purpose I completely support the guy.
@@TheTricksterFigure it’s not cool to stand up hovering over other players. Could u imagine every player at the table doing the same b.s. ?
The guy enjoys acting like a complete scumbag. Guaranteed he would never pull that crap with Eric Persson …. although don’t see Eric mixing with tournament characters
You could banned certain behavior you can’t lean into someone’s space at the table for example you can’t talk to people once they’ve asked you to stop talking to them
@@bettyjane6684 of course talking is ok & gamesmanship is cool but this nonsense goes way too far … why ?? Because he is allowed to Harass other players.
I played with a guy who had a really greasy face and he kept touching his face throughout the session. I then noticed that certain cards had shiny stains on them but you can only see if it it catches the light in a certain way. So you kind of have to look at it from different angles. Standing up and trying to look at the cards from different angles based on the light looks like what he's doing.
that's gross
Grease-gate
That's sexy did you taste the cards?
Yeah but literally everyone knows this, this is why there is sometimes a rule that you cannot stand up. He did this once and Dan had to call him out on the rule. If you were cheating would you be so obvious when looking for marks YOU put on the cards? Blatantly breaking a standing rule and staring at another's cards? idk. I find it more likely that he is just really annoying, possible even purposefully so. He is drawing way too much attention to himself to be cheating if you ask me. Unless he just has the biggest balls in the universe. He isn't just risking being banned with these antics, but going to prison.
The thumbnail made me literally lol😂 thank you Doug
CUT TO Doug Polk ״graciously” running around the table screaming “Let’s fucking go!!!!” lol. Best video editing here
Bro angling people into THINKING you're cheating is a HILARIOUS angle lmfao
If your a goof 😮 then sure
Brilliant angle tbh. I’m more likely to fold if I think someone knows my hand even though I can’t prove it.
Hilarious, he’s gonna laugh so hard when he gets banned for “angling”
I saw a video where you can actually see him marking cards with his nail !
Your analysis is always fairly weighted IMHO and you always admit when you are unsure of a situation. Add the pieces of Humor and I always run to watch your videos. Thanks and keep up the good work!
I think the Robbie cheating scandal gave Doug PTSD; so he doesn’t fully want to lean towards cheating. But Doug, you say his KQ 4-bet bluff doesn’t make too much sense - so why should playing the Ks3s make sense while he knows his opponent has the As. Perhaps his logic is “well I know my K or 3 would probably be good, and he can’t have AK or A3 of spades.”
His K or 3 would be good if he flopped a pair with them.
If I were the authorities in charge of poker I'd use some basic counter measures to make the other players a little less uncomfortable about the possibility of cheating. Things like changing the decks more often and restricting the players ability to stand and stare at other players hands. If they are building a case for the gaming commission to make formal charges then I could see them doing nothing until they are ready to strike.
breaking kneecaps in the parking lot also works
@@jypsyjewels2854 yep it would. A little old school,but effective. I was only suggesting countermeasures used against suspected cheats at blackjack tables in some casinos already
You’re a good man
You're really getting better at this. Kudos.
Wouldn't simply keeping and analysing the deck that was in play after help to deduce if there was indeed marking of cards going on - so we can at least conclude that either A) No cheating happened or B) Cheating happened. Also if other players are confident of cheating taking place, I feel like they ought to at least raise it up softly to the floor given this is a $250K tournament.
Yea actual evidence or not. But people like to assume. Plus don't they use multiple decks?
@@mrhumble2937 they dont use new decks every hand lol.
Every deck would probably get a once over when withdrawn. A suspected cheater deck would get forensically scrutinised. Casinos have a duty of a care and spend millions to ensure they don’t get a bad name.
This guy plays the obnoxious game like PH. DNegs plays the good guy but would be ruthless to win.
He clearly marks the cards and stares at their cards while standing up, probably to see the light shine on the cards from a different angle. WSOP made a rule for the final table just for him. Not allowed to stand up while a hand is active. He stood up multiple times without any punishment. Why even come up with the rule if it's not being enforced? Because it's good television
Pretty sure the shuffling machine will know if a card has been manipulated.
The fact that this is a "national headline" is the only reason why WSOP is now taking it seriously.
You could pretty easily handle it by adjusting the rules. This sort of thing will continue to happen in different ways with people trying to obtain edges in annoying ways. The cases need to be handled one by one. There’s the issue of the integrity of the game, but also your product, as you want to have an environment where people will want to participate.
Adjusting what rule lol? The can't score cards with nails rule?
@@TheVeregat Similar to other cases where there have been players using annoying tactics.
Study up . There's an old classic rock song about being a nuisance . Pretty sure it's against the law to be . I forgot what it's called , though .
I do not normally subscribe to all the videos I watch but you have glam I think that's the right word for it and I find you to be one of the realistic people on TH-cam love the stories 👍🏻
Marking cards like that has been a thing in high stakes live poker since the 60's..
Reasonable analysis from Polk. If you've played even once at a public poker table you've had to endure annoying players. It sucks, but it sucks worse if you allow it to affect your game. One would hope that an event as large and prestigious as the WSOP would be checking decks at random as well as specifically looking at decks where accusations of cheating have taken place. They did call for a special rule at the final table that players must remain seated when playing a hand (a rule which he broke early and that caused a kerfuffle and a call for the floor manager). Given all that, WSOP is investigating this incident specifically, so we'll see what they find (if anything).
One could also hope, that a well run and honest room would take action against annoying and disruptive players.
Thanks, Doug! Always a good show!
What’s the song(instrumental) in the background while Doug is talking?
OBS!!! He could have indented the card very slightly in a way that it's not very visible through the naked eye, I am familiar with this method from a magician. The trick is that It becomes much more visible if he uses the lights from above to look for reflections on the gloss from the cards, thats why he stands up, and by slowly swaying from side to side. Then you can see minute details that other players can't see.. It's only if you know to look for the reflections from the light. Try it yourself under a well lit room. I would want to inform this method to the arrangers , but I don't have the contact information. Perhaps you can take it forward, or anyone else that see's this and knows where to turn to. Please thumbs up this so it get noticed
On a tv table in a 250k tournament he is doing that so blatantly? Don’t be silly, you need a magic wand to make me believe that!
@@marksoutofzen to clarify, I only chipped in with a potential method as to why nobody would have noticed "markings", other than him, and that using the light to ones advantage would be a possible explanation, I don't know if he did it or not.
@@erikbongnilsson246 To be fair, it is well known that there is an invisible liquid that can only be seen with special contact lenses.
@@erikbongnilsson246I wrote the same thing in a different post. Indent/mark the cards then try to catch the right light angle to see it.
He's also doing something to his hole cards, what I'm not sure. Creasing a corner, bending, something. But his hand play doesn't seem to follow thru with it.
@@bustatron Cheeers! Yes, I think at least it should be looked into, because it will possibly start a lot of bad rumors for the poker arrangers if they don't clarify that they have looked into it and that he is clean. I have to imagine that they don't think he cheated, but I doon't know if they have made a press release to ease suspicions. It doesn't really matter to me, that don't play poker, but for those who do, I think it would be wise.
😂 that Luke Swartz bit made me spit out my beer, completely uncalled for which made it so much better
It gave me flashbacks.
At the final table, they implemented a no standing rule specifically for the possibility of marked cards.
If the tournament officials aren’t going to stop people from doing this sort of thing, people are going to do it.
K3 call makes sense if he knows 1 ace in opponents hand but doesn't know the other card, makes zero sense if he knows 2 or 0 cards.
If he knows he has 1 ace even ... calling with k3 makes no sense at all... so don't agree at all
Quick pokerstove shows K3s even vs a tight 3bet range that must an ace has around 32% equity. He’s getting more than 2:1 and *knows one of his opponents cards*. Seems a lot closer than if he didn’t know any of his opponents cards..
This video is what sets you apart Doug. You'll rip into your own stuff when it's there to be discussed. Keep up the great things and appreciate you
Sets him apart for sure. The guy is clearly denying the cards. No ink no rail clearly denting the cards.
My dad has played poker a lot from young age and told me once that some times you can intimidate by staring at the back of someone's cards as though you know exactly what they have. Mainly to see if someone is bluffing by breaking their character by making them make mistakes in their character.
And remaining seated and burning homes into your opponent is not egregious behavior. Invading another players persona space in that manner is asking for a fight to break out. This is a $250,000 buy in event, if you were playing you would expect it to be run professionally, not turned into a shit show by ONE ass hole. Way before it got out of hand I’d have given him a choice of taking his buy in back and leaving or risking being kicked out if he continued to abuse the tournament and the other players.
Exactly 💯
@@shawnnelsen4501 imo he is playing the character of a cheater. If you think someone is cheating you’ll be doubting every single hand, might be scummy but blame the tournament for not stopping this kind of behaviour rather than the player taking advantage. There’s life changing money on the line who cares about being a ‘gentlemen’
The only thing I can think of is the 30 second limit that he maxes out and maybe possibly edge sorting but I don't know about how the tournament cards are made or cut
He should start a poker club with Robbie
And Mike Postle.
And The Maverick
"ALL-YOU-CAN-chEAT"
You could argue the "bad" play is a diversion so they can say why would I do this if I knew their cards
As a local Tournament Director, "annoying" players are everywhere, players who annoy others, play slow, weird, etc. just because players don't like them, doesn't mean they deserve to be banned.
This isn't on that low of level. Everyone knows about Hellmuth, Mike the mouth, or has a local player or two that even get into fisticuffs over poker. 🙄
Part of the way to cheat well is to sow some doubt. If you make clear mistakes, then people will think 'oh, he can't be cheating', but that is the whole point.
If they can change the deck at my local casino on every hand dealt with one of those machines for shuffling, why can't they just change the deck every 5 or so hands for a big money tournament?
It would literally take 30 secs if the pit boss or supervisor had a deck ready to go.
You could even have say 20 decks in circulation, so yeah, he may mark cards, but the chances of him getting that particular deck at the right time would be very low.
I don't blame players for thinking this guy is cheating one bit. He's constantly looking over his shoulder and looking at players cards instead of reading players or counting chips. With the K 3 hand it looks like he sees the mark after he makes the call. watch him look back at the cards while holding the red chips and pause with them as he realizes something. then he sits down and folds the next bet. the meek way he asked for the count after just supposedly gauging the guys stack for his whole time was also odd to me in the moment, and seemed like a poor attempt to slow roll a fold. Floor really blew it not enforcing the no standing rule. Even the masseuse knew he shouldn't be doing that.
I think you’re right, there is no proof of cheating. He’s always seemed like a weird and abrasive person. But there aren’t rules against being unlikable. 🤷🏻♂️
If there were rules to being unlikable Phil Hellmuth would be perma banned from any table 🤣
@@derFr0sty true
yEAH BUT PROOF, OR NO, IT IS CLEAR THAT HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO CHEAT. LOOKING AT THE CARD FROM DIFFERENTY ANGLES CATCHING THE LIGHT IS ONLY EXPLAINED BY LOOKING FOR MARKS, AND TBH ITS NOT EVEN SUBTLE
@@derFr0styHellmuth might be unlikeable at the table be he's very entertaining to watch
Nah this is different, look outside the box 😂
My father was a good card player and he said the best way to win was not to beat the cards beat the player if you can get in his head you stand a better chance of winning and that is what I think he may be doing.
I've noticed on some poker vlogger videos that they will almost bend the cards when lifting the corners to reveal them to their camera. Not a normal lift to get a peak but where it is noticeable when the cards are then lying face down. Maybe it's just how they look at their cards. It definitely seemed weird to me though.
This video was an unbiased look at the issue, and quite thorough. Great video. Thanks for sharing it. One thing is for sure though...haters are gonna hate!
I've spent two decades in game protection. A key question that needs to be answered... *I noticed in the highlight of the final table, Martin says he noticed a scratch on one of his cards and requests a new deck. The question is "was the deck changed? And if so, was it a spare deck in the rack? Or did they bring a new set up to the table?"*
He was DEFINETELY trying to mark that card on the video by the pressure, not by scratching the card with the nail. And I'm not working in the game security.
@@alen7492 I understand that. I'm asking a very specific question for a very specific reason. If you know the answer, do tell. Anyone who watched the full stream on pokergo might know.
@carpeimodiem331 I wondered too but idk the answer
Spare rack deck was in rotation already, same time he had played also at this table vs new box of pristine cards? No, I didn't get to see the much of prior footage, but did catch he was back a second time to the now final table and have yet to get to the final video.
What got my attention, (near end on video prior to final video), I did note him looking through his water bottle kept carefully aligned with labels not blocking view to neighbor. I did a mimic set up and found it gave me clear view of objects on other side by refraction. Just at that moment, dealers changed and the male dealer asked him to remove the bottle. I didn't get to check my concern because it was not allowed to go forward, but warning bells went off big time. I don't tolerate objects such as eye glasses on the table near me.
It won't let me edit, but right before the bottle issue, the dealer was prepping up. It was just as break was over. I didn't see her check cards for any deck marking. Did you?
More to say when he 'marked' As he also had 4s in his hand. So you can see him cheking 4 spades in a hand with Steven at 16:14
Strangely, despite my having had numerous occasions where I felt you judged others unfairly...
...I agree with your assessment here 100%. Imo, it is often the evidence inconsistent with one's theory that is (or SHOULD be) the most compelling.
What we all witnessed was a master class in trolling
lol... It was fun to watch...
It is Poker 2023
As usual enjoyed your video Doug. I think the next logical question is, “WSOP, what exactly is your process here? How does that specific process ensure game integrity?” In your video you said “You have to imagine that the WSOP does…. X, Y, Z…”
But do they?
Casino = Millions of Camera's.
He played very well.
2 Million bucks...
We need more research... No?
I do not think he cheated.
Look up next time you're in a casino at all the cameras. If he was truly cheating in a tournament worth millions of dollars the pros at the table would seek legal action. They have no proof so they drag him on their social media platforms simply because they don't like him, it's just literally cancel culture shenanigans.
Honestly-change the decks after every hand and different brands/backs. Casinos don't do nearly enough to stop cheating when it is easily stopable.
Regardless of whether he was cheating, the way he handled the cards lends itself to cheating. Has to be stopped. And getting into another player's space (like with Decarolis)? If Decarolis happened to stand up and "accidentally" head-butted him, would they punish him? Probably. But that couldn't happen if Kabrhel wasn't in his table space.
There is no way a player should be standing over my cards! If he wants to know how much I have he can just ask. I played in one of the WSOP tournaments last week and there were indentions on a few of the cards. I didn't think people were cheating but it's possible.
I'm tired of floors and managers letting TOXIC players ruin the game for everyone else. I do not understand why they let this happen. They let players berate, insult, bully, cheat etc... with no consequences. Aren't they supposed to protect the game?
Its all in the game
Until someone punches him in the face or maces him for this bullcrap it will continue
I'm glad they allow it, its way better to watch
@@mrcool76789 right. It's annoying when you play but it's very entertaining to watch as an independent observer.
Feels like rooms used to be so strict. I guess this is better for business???? Idk
Its apart of his bluff... others do it just not as annoyingly. Its genuisly taking advantage of the fact that once someone thinks you cheat they kinda want to not play anymore. Thus making bad decisions, or possibly taking no risks assuming the other person already knows what you have. Its a great bluff...
Just cause people decide to not play that way doesn't mean everyone has to conform to what you think. It IS by definition a bluff if he is not cheating. I make bluffs and even sometimes I've don the taking a long time to bet each time, its all apart of getting in your opponents head. its apart of the game.
If the players raised concerns about him possibly cheating, then surely the floor managers or someone could have checked the cards being used for markings? After all, the tournament organizers know which cards he had on each round, so they could have checked if any cards that he had contained any visible markings.
That was not the take I was expecting from you, Doug. I thought you would be mercilessly making fun of this guy and his antics. This was a balanced and fair assessment that was actually very kind to Martin. I admire your range. :)
Well Knowing he is hiring an attorney, I think Doug is being smart. You have to have 100% proof to say someone is cheating or you can be hit with a lawsuit. The cameras these casinos have they would see the smallest mark in a second. They can magnify the camera probably 1000x . If he did cheat he will be caught. I can def see rules being made where player's can't stare at an opponents cards stranding up anymore. I really think if he cheated the casino would have the proof already after all the craziness and news it got yesterday.
He didn't cheat, just haterade, he played well. Just because he isn't the ole cliche poker player ABC, he gets judged and villianized
The announcer's boosted the hate
@@johnnyfreeman2685 lol he chated cmon! what are you looking at!
Depends how you define 'kind'. He might have said he didnt think he was cheating but he did essentially say he thought Martin was angle shooting
Doug Im a poker dealer. I find marked cards nightly... youd be surprised art how little tournaments directors look at cards or even care. sometimes they try to just say its not that bad to not have to replace the deck or destroy the deck...
In general I imagine that is the case, but in specifically this instance, would the WSOP really just ignore it entirely? I would be surprised if they did.
@@DougPolkPoker hopefully you are right thx for the content!
would the government be factually destroying America? Wake up.....everywhere is corrupt!
You are asking people who makes 50k a year to be your knight in a shining armor. They don't care about you and your little game. You will show up playing in WSOP regardless of what they will do or don't do behind the tournament. Just because you pay 250k for a buy in don't make you special. They have so much events going on at one time. They don't have a cheating department looking at every hand and every deck for you.
@@tsze06 Im pretty sure the WSOP will have a cheating department
The line is when other players tell the folks setting up the tournament that they will not enter the tournament if they allow someone who is being suspected of cheating in particular or even if he is being so annoying that people choose not to play with him. Or have a vote by the other players. "Will he be allowed to play". Ultimately it is the other players who are being impacted and without the other players, there is no game , period.
It does seem odd that he keeps his cards covered and stacked while his opponents leave their cards separated and in full view. Almost as if he is fearful of someone reversing the whip and doing the same to him.
I don’t think any player should be allowed to dig their nails into the cards, even if they are doing it as a joke. New rule: if player appears to be digging their nails into the cards, they get a 30 minute penalty. If cards can be retrieved and marks are found, they are banned.
watching this video this was thing that looked out of line
30 minute penalty in a poker tournament is opposite of a punishment
The awkward standing and hovering over opponents cards is absolutely suspect.
@@afdkj You're right about the angle, but his aim was to look at the opponents' cards closer, that's why he stood up and inclined.
So usually in cash games they use Kem cards and just a FYI; most houses sort reverse alphabetical meaning usually the A of spades is face up when put away...it won't be long, w/no weight on it, before it bows noticeably when compared to the rest. Most large tournaments change out the decks routinely, or move w/the dealers during their push
If a tournament is allowing gameplay like this to continue, then odds are something is going on behind the scenes in that tournament 🤨
Damn, I was watching this game live. That guy seemed to be playing exceptionally well tho I also noticed his suspicious moves like standing, I thought it was just his way of playing...
I think he's clearly trying to get an edge in a field of GTO pros where there isn't much edge left to get anymore. Tilting your opponents so they play bad is literally just about the oldest trick in the book and getting them to think you're cheating like this would certainly throw them off.
I think also if he was cheating he wouldn't be staring at peoples cards for 30 seconds at a time so blatantly like he does he obviously wants people to see him doing that and to worry about it thats the whole game
100% agree
You get away with the crime, you get bolder. Then you exaggerate as a cover-up. You make yourself look eccentric. I used to cover my cheating with women by being open about being attentive of them in public. It's the oldest trick in the book. He was definitely thumbnailing cards.
@@tapcity2 Wouldn’t they catch it? I’m not a poker expert, but from the clips I’ve seen, even the slightest nick in the cards gets reported almost immediately. I think he’s just an incredibly toxic player, but not a cheater.
@@tapcity2casino cards are plastic not paper. You're not marking them with a finger nail, lol.
Dudes fucking with them to get an advantage in a game so long played there is little edge to gain through traditional means.
Tilt2win.
When all the Postle cheating scandal came out, a lot of people were saying “he is stupid because he is always playing perfect, when you know what everybody has you have to mix some mistakes so it’s not obvious”
Now Kabrhel mixes a mistake (one hand, just a 3bet call, and he could still hit big the flop and bust the aces) and that seems to be an argument solid enough to say he is not cheating.
For me, the way he handles the cards and how he stands up so often, there has to be something dodgy.
It’s hard to imagine, though, that he can be SO obvious about it. Like standing up and leaning over the table to stare directly at the other guy’s cards? He might as well reach and flip them over.
But as we’ve seen with the Postle Crotch Look, obvious cheating can go on for quite a while before it’s dealt with.
@@The93Vector I agree, I think he's just weird af tbh and likes to get on other players' nerves
This, by far, greatest take I’ve seen in line with him cheating - otherwise, gun to my head, I’d say not cheating every time - but this is in fact not only a great observation, but one that deserves public attention
I don't think the guy is cheating either.
Like referenced above, he is weird and unpleasant, but that is certainly not cheating.
@@jeffshackleford3152I agree with you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What are the rules for changing the deck after so many hands?
This was wild to see, when Dan busted and got all heated as he took off his mic. At first it just seemed like mega tilt. But now it’s hard to know
The markings wouldn't be necessarily visible to other players of the dealer if they are subtle enough. Same reason why he would have to lean a lot to see them, because they aren't really that visible at first glance.
Thank god someone else in here has a brain. The defense of “the marks would be obvious to other players and the floor” is retarded. I bet David Blaine could mark every single card in the deck and nobody would be able to figure out how besides him
They are professional poker players, they stare at these cards 12 hours a day, everyday. They would notice
Did he not tell the floor at one point in this tournament that there was markings on the cards and wanted a new deck?
Anybody who wears sunglasses makes me uncomfortable. Ban anybody that wears glasses, even prescription glasses
What about contacts?
Hard to believe someone is cheating that blatantly at this high of a level. You'd think they would be a bit more discreet. He's a real clown though, needs to get smacked.
Ah yes... violence
The American solution to everything
He is richer than you tho
@@patrick-fs2uh What's your point do you think being rich means you won't cheat?
Yup, greed.
@Johnny Ace you need to go take a deuce. You believe a person needs to be smacked? By who ? You?
Change that Lia Thomas avatar before you get SLAPPED.
He seems like the type to make people think he is cheating/ marking cards, creating an upset, and throwing them off their game.
This is exactly what he is doing...and it's working
which has nothing to do with whether he IS cheating or not
They just don't like him and they keep feeding into his antics
Nobody wants to be seen as a cheater, not even in a home game.
correct, a good act... lol
they need to add a "boundary" rule. to prevent people from those actions
Just play online
It's hard to say if he's cheating. From the outside it looks like he's just an incredible PITA who successfully puts half of the table playing against him off their game. I would hope and expect that the dealer and/or floor/tournament operators is inspecting the cards and reviewing footage at every opportunity.
Yeah indeed! Check the cards and that should be the end of it.
My instinct is he is autistic, does anyone know if he is autistic or has ADD or anything like that. These kind of mannerisms are text book. High intelligence, fidgety, doesn't get on with others in social situations.
Dan Smith is just a little b1tch... he's not cheating, it's pretty obvious.
@@Writeous0ne I've known lots of autistic people and they're usually pretty damn introverted. Needling people in high stakes poker tournaments would be very odd behavior for someone on the spectrum. Plus he isn't just showing a lack of social grace, he is behaving illogically and inconsistently regarding the chips and coloring up. 99% he's just some DB.
@@Writeous0nehe is autistic. Pretty sure he said he was on Twitter.
I just think he's an awkward, weird guy. I don't think he cheats, but his reputation is definitely ruined.
Maybe he has Tourette's. Looks like he has tics.
You just saw him scratch cards and get up to stare closely at other people's "stacks". What do you need? A handwritten confession signed in his own blood?
too many coincidences dont add up
Whether he cheats or not, his antics has been disruptive to the games for several years now. He should not be allowed to play in the WSOP. For the peace of mind and enjoyment of others.
@@vinni522 What a crock of shot - so by your logic you should only allow people that are nice and friends with everyone into Poker Tournee's..... good luck with that as a buy in...! #WokeBanEveryoneForAnything
Doug man you earn more and more respect from my side. I never was a fan of yours but I don't know why. I guess I just simply didn't know you good enough. Seems like you are a really great and intelligent guy. 😎👌
Someone has a man crush 🥰
@@darrenrsmith7119 Human crush. Good people that speak from the heart are so fkn rare nowadays. Everyone is so fake. And we all know, the nicer the facade the bigger the mess it is trying to cover up.
in high stakes like this i'm surprised they don't swap to a fresh deck of cards every hand
I always wondered about the hole card cams they use to show the tv viewers the players cards. If someone could hack into that feed....well, then someone could have a huge advantage.
I wouldn’t be asked back to a any home game if I acted like this
That’s why you play heads up?
@@marksoutofzen better than playing with your d. all day.
Imagine being at a table with him and Will Kassouf.
I'm pretty sure that's one of the upper gates of hell
I have learned that if you don’t have any haters, you’re living life wrong.
It scares me at times to play cash at the Dallas area pokerhouses because of this. Way too many marked cards.
In all final tables, WSOP should rotate through 10 decks and scrutinize each deck as they are passed back to the tournament staff. Every card should be put under a black light and checked for ink, indentations, and other anomalies. If they aren't perfect, the deck should be discarded and replaced.
Decks should just rotate around the tables. Have about 3x the number of decks as tables and have people move them around in a relatively systematic fashion.
Yes, but make it a hundred decks. It wouldn't cost any more in the long run.
@@alanjones4358 They could likely sell them for a buck or so per pack and make it worthwhile.
@@illinialumni Can’t believe they don’t do this already! Decades before the poker boom, my parents purchased used casino playing cards from the casino. Before putting them up for sale, the casino would punch a hole in the cards to make them “unusable” in the casino. I’d enjoy buying a few, especially if I could buy the deck used in the last hand of a tournament I won. That would be free money for the casino. I can’t believe they don’t do it already.
@@matthewmille lol - that's exactly where my brain was. My dad always had cards with holes or corners removed. Shouldn't be too hard to market "WSOP Cards Used in Play".
The only thing worse than this guys antics is Dan Smith’s cowboy hat. It’s almost impossible to cheat in a tournament or cash game that’s broadcast. This went on back in the day when people were drinking in the back room not with 100 camera angles looking at your every move.
did hear about the guy in London caught using special contacts and a invisible dye, he had contacts that showed the cards he marked, he acted in the same way this guy is, standing up to get a better view of the surface of the high cards he marked, he also claimed he was counting chips.
could he have some sort off contact lenzezes that would pick up his spesail marks picking up a slight scratch that would take of the shinre of the card only
There were many hands early on where he kept avoiding putting his cards over the rfid scanner, so we couldn’t see what cards he had, he did it so much the commentators mentioned it must be intentional. Maybe he just didn’t want people to go back and watch his hands, seemed a bit sus though. Dealer had to tell him to put them in place.
I watched one of DNegs vlogs and he made a comment that the J of diamonds was marked in 2 consecutive decks. This was during a very high buy in bracelet event and may have even been this event. Just something to think about
there is see through ink that no one would catch at all and use contacts to see it
In tourneys at this level, the table starts with new decks. If a different player saw a mark on the cards, and brought it to the dealer/floors attention, there would be no question it was marked at this table. The cameras would likely show who. Players at this level should know this.
Fact... Martin consistently broke rules and was allowed to do so
Why have rules then allow them to be broken
On top of that he's abrasive and it seems like he gets loud and aggressive so he doesn't get punished for breaking rules
He should be penalized and if he continues then to be kicked out
What rules did he break exactly?
Oh you must be so perfect....
@@lethal2453🤓
If he's not proven guilty, all that can be done to combat his antics is rule changes. If poker players are all agreeing that what this guy is doing against the spirit of the game, we need to agree and bring in rules to stop it.
They set rules for him to not stand up and he didn’t follow those. So what makes ya think any rule change is gonna change him? Should be banned/on probation period just for that. I would been pissed if the rules were read at start and he broke them but nothing happened. Too much money on the line for rules to be broken and no consequences
I wonder if the delaying of the game by asking for counts constantly is a ploy to get farther in payout scale?
Seemed he had a bigger stack, kinda pointless to want to delay when you can bully the table to get a bigger stack.
I can’t imagine having to perfect a method that give you an advantage. Like knowing the manufacture of the card, the scratch or bending capabilities of the card and so on. 😊
Negreanu mentioned in his vlog the other day that he had found a marked card (the J of diamonds), and reported it. They brought another deck, and the very next shuffle he found another marked card. Also the J of diamonds! That was before this news came out. I've been playing for almost 25 years. There's NO need to be standing up like that to count chips. Everybody else has their chips in ordered stacks. Anybody with any experience (and basic math skills, which you should definitely have at that level) should be able to estimate a player's stack size at a glance. Many players only ask for a count in tournaments because it puts a pause on the shot clock. A bigger issue is that these casinos have a vested interest in finding no wrongdoing in their games. I knew immediately that HCL was never going to find that Robbie Lew did anything wrong; even if she had. It makes the casinos look bad; and people don't want to play in games that aren't on the level.
Tables with a shuffling machine play two decks alternating. Unsure if you are so deeply in the game that you did not mention it and just assume everyone knows. So if you managed to mark both of the Jack of Diamonds, congratulations, you no longer have to keep track of which one of the two decks plays and which one has the marked card.
Looks like someone managed to mark the same card in both decks and then Negreanu came in and ruined it with the double deck change. It does not mean someone immediately marked another one after the deck change. Both decks could have been altered hours ago. Marked cards happen naturally, randomly, as any kind of damage or dirt counts. Same card twice is suspicious, same card twice in the same way at the same location would be bad.
They weren’t in the same tournament at the time.
@@pNvpKr Those decks get used over and over though. It could've happened earlier in a different tournament or perhaps that very player was playing in that tournament. Odds are, someone was marking cards.
Yes it’s easy to estimate how many chips someone has just by looking at their stack but there are a lot of pros who ask for a count or move in to look closer. You can sometimes pick up tells from the reaction. I’ve used it many times myself. I don’t do it every hand like kabrel. Just thought about another possible agenda on why he does. He wants any player to know that if you play back at him they will get the full stare, chip count and table talk.
@@sangster49 Yes, certainly speech play is a thing, and players may ask for an exact count to be on the cautious side. While players aren't supposed to hide chips (especially larger denomination chips), it does happen. If you announce "call" to an all-in, and a player has more chips than you thought, you're still liable to call off. However there's still no good reason for what he's doing.
Seems like the players are just trying to get him banned out of general distaste. So dangerous for the game if the high rollers can just out someone if they dont like them. I dont like kabrehls antics but im sure wsop would ban him if they found any signs of marking
Bro putting pressure on cards with your nails definitely leaves marks.. I have seen people try this.. he was marking cards!
You're missing the point Princess, "I'm sure they would ban him if they found any signs of cheating", the problem is that thus far they've not investigated or stated that they intend on investigating... that is the problem. The problem is that there is still potential to cheat as long as that exists it is not a safe playing environment, whether he did or did not is less the concern. Cheating should always be the #1 concern
@@slowery43 So obvious that Hoagers=Dan Smith burner account.
@@MrOracio121 Agree . I've seen this trick too, no doubt he marked the card
I mean that's no different from Hellmuth saying he is gonna get a guy blacklisted from invites to events because he annoyed him. It's probably true though, if the big names don't want you there the TV companies etc will probably bow to those demands.
For me “it makes me uncomfortable” is not viable because if it were 1/2 the field would be gone for BO and not covering their mouths when they cough.
And the result of the inspection of marks on the actual deck are?
If he was suspected of marking cards then these high rollers should've had an easy time noticing marked cards and calling the floor over to investigate said marked cards
However, we never see that, just complaints that he is violating the rule about standing
There were 3 deck changes in one hour with that guy. decks can then be quetly inspected in the back office.
Why would it be “easy to notice” if he’s the only one that knows what to look for?
You don’t think there are certain people (magicians / hustling gamblers / CIA spy type ppl) who have mastered the skill of being able to mark a card in a way only they can identify?
@@brettbaker8357 the card marking clips people have shown look insanely brazen, I can't imagine he's leaving marks that a whole gaggle of accomplished pros who've encountered marked cards before all are unable to locate given they should be actively looking with their concerns
It all looks very suspicious. The frustrating thing about the vast majority of poker cheating incidents is that there's almost always just enough uncertainty to let tournament/casino admins shrug and say, 'Inconclusive.' They can justifiably do nothing, which is exactly what they want to do.
Dwan noted that casinos are threatened with losing their gambling license if they discover cheating at their games.
This seems to be the anomoly that needs correcting.
I had a dealer getting involved in the money for a double bubble when he shouldn't handing money to a player who didn't put in his share of a double bubble. He literally handed money to the double bubble who walked away without putting his share in and told me to shut up. I tried to talk to the house and they did nothing
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With the aces situation. I read people who i knew had Aces and called their bet anyway to see flop to outflop, and board.