*Fun fact:* During the events of "No Man's Land", Croc formed a gang and took advantage of the chaos to extort items from the civilians. At one point, a poor child gives his stuffed animal Crocky (an anthropomorphic crocodile from a popular children's cartoon) to the reptile man and asks him to treat it kindly, causing a genuine laugh from Croc.
I would have hired this man in a heartbeat. He seems like he can handle manual labor really well and probably wouldn't mind having to work in hot environments. Even with no work experience, an entry level construction or warehouse job really could have set this guy on the right path.
It's not all bad for Waylon, he did get an amazing moment to shine when he saved Roy Harper's life. I forgot the comic name, but basically, Roy's happiest memory was revealed to be a night when he was fighting Waylon on a rooftop. This was after Green Arrow abandoned Roy for being a heroin addict and Roy was picking fights with villains until one managed to kill him. Waylon figures this out midfight, stops and basically tells Roy to straighten his life out instead of giving up and letting someone assist in suicide. A later comic shows the two talking while also revealing that Waylon became Roy's rehab sponsor. Roy was disowned and cast out by everyone closest to him, and yet Killer Croc was the only one willing to support him.
I think thise stories do wel with the character too, in that they show how his mind has deteriorated over the years. Humans are social creatures, and with only paranoia and hostility as your friends you're gonna have to resort on fight or flught more than you would critical thinking skills. Stories that show his fall from grace are golden, but they wouldnt be anything without the stories that show him as a mindless monster. They show what his fall from grace and what society turned him into
The Jokers asylum story is really sad ngl. croc killed somebody who truly thought of him as an equal or family just because he had trust issues. i feel for the guy
@@DrexSux the only usage the guy used with croc was fro strength and muscle to seem like a mod boss, but behind closed doors he apologised when HE shouted at croc. he cared for him but he got killed.
Edgar is the only one that actually seemed to care for killer croc, didn’t seem like it was only for how he was useful. Edgar wanted him to be in the house and treated as family when Juliet was against it.
@@sameersharma763to be fair, if I was a mob boss with a reptile mutant as my friend/muscle, I’d use him for crime as well. At least croc got a home and clothes as payment
@@sameersharma763and what? You think they were never aware of that? He’s knows damn well that he’s good at it, and they won’t just let him sit down on his ass even if they take care of him. He knows his worth, and so, doesn’t complain if someone wants to put his strengths to use. Not that different from a job. He stayed because Edgar did truly treat him like a person.
Yeah, I figured the same when it shows the Edgar and the wife talking alone while Waylon is seemingly out of the house or at least out of earshot. The wife immediately refers to Waylon as a "your pet killer" and Edgar's first reaction is to tell her to not call him that and remind her he's the main reason they're doing so well. He at the least viewed him as more his partner and not some dumb muscle, so it's likely he saw him as friend as well.
I wonder if there's ever been a comic detailing Killer Croc's first act of cannibalism. Eating someone would probably be the final straw separating him from humanity and it would be interesting to see how Waylon reacted to commiting such a heinous act.
Thats isnt croc's culture tho now is it? He is not in those tribes, and urban western culture DOES see cannabilism as inhumane, and marks a fall from grace. "Its about perspective" but you arent seeing it from croc's. Croc was raised in a place where cannibalism is awful, so when he finally does it, he has reached his version of rock bottom.
@@theothertonydutch Cultural relativism is a joke and there are objectively terrible things that exist. Just because subjective perspectives exist doesn't outweigh the fact we can rate things objectively to the best of our capabilities.
@@theothertonydutchmany cultures practiced cannibalism because of spiritual beliefs (like protecting loved ones from evil spirits by eating their corpses). Croc does it for the lols
Killer Croc really is one of the more sympathetic villains as *he constantly tries to find happiness* in different ways as he constantly is treated as an outcast and monster, everyone saw him as a killing machine when in reality he was forced to become said killing machine, and only now and then has he found new ways to find happiness. *Croc actually can be a good person, because Killer Croc helped Roy Harper/aka Speedy/Red Arrow to kick his heroin addiction all thanks to Waylon's help and support.* Croc was even once *in love with a fellow villain and Suicide Squad member June Moone/aka The Enchantress* , Waylon fell in love with June because she saw the real him and she fell in love with the caring man he was and *the two actually had an incredibly wholesome relationship for a while, both helping each other as partners and June was even able to teach Waylon how to read and write and Waylon helped June get her dream job in graphic design in New York* . For a time in his life, *Waylon felt happiness that he finally had someone who loved him for who he is.*
@@MorgrumTenPrawdziwy It's a bit hard to explain but last I remember June was dragged down to Hell and Waylon had to watch, and after that Waylon was broken inside and so depressed he had to go back to a life of crime despite trying so hard to carry on without her. It's truly sad because I wish their relationship continued longer because they are genuinely a wholesome couple that brought the best out of each other. Enchantress doesn't show up here and there in small cameo appearances but aside form that her relation ship with Croc has remained unknown and uncertain
@@mistabruhmoment8688 It's a bit hard to explain but last I remember June was dragged down to Hell and Waylon had to watch, and after that Waylon was broken inside and so depressed he had to go back to a life of crime despite trying so hard to carry on without her. It's truly sad because I wish their relationship continued longer because they are genuinely a wholesome couple that brought the best out of each other. Enchantress doesn't show up here and there in small cameo appearances but aside form that her relation ship with Croc has remained unknown and uncertain
Croc is one of those characters that writers just constantly shit on for some reason. He's just constantly facing adversity poor bastard He's the only character that Batman The Animated Series got wrong. In BTAS he's just a dumb brute. Still pretty cool in that show, tho.
Me as a kid: I like Killer Croc because he's a reptile. Me now: Dang, Killer Croc seems like a chill guy when you actually treat him like a human. It's actually kinda sweet to see Waylon Jones being treated with respect and love, by Edgar, it only sucks that he was manipulated by the lady in the end.
Surprisingly, Edgar actually was the most interesting character in the story, IMO. He doesn't seem to be inherently bad but seemed to have been manipulated for some good time down this path. You can see this by the end when he looked sad as if he realized he and Waylon were both manipulated and probably seeming to regret going down that path. He reminds me of Macbeth (from the famous Shakespeare play) He also seemed to genuinely trust and care for Waylon as a comrade. You can see this at the end when he has his back turned to him while knowing full well how angry and manipulated he is at that moment. He had hope he'd still have some trust in him and give the matter more thought but his hope was never fulfilled.
@@bellsando6506but he also treated him like a person. Croc knew what Edgar wanted him for but it was the way Edgar was treating him that got him to stay
@@bellsando6506 He wanted to hire and pay him to be his body guard and killer. I feel there is a distinction that he made sure Croc got paid and was taken care of. I felt he really thought they were business partners.
I think he thought Waylon was angry about him since he sent him Kill the wife, he didn't know he had met Juliet downstairs with a black eye (since he's not the one who hit her), Juliet most likely took a quicker route back home with a car (faster) after being hit by ther "boyfriend" and made it look like Edgar hit her and the fact that she was home when she came back could have made Waylon think that Edgar was lying to him about Juliet betraying him. Juliet did quite well manipulating Waylon, sadly.
I don't know what is more cursed, the relationship between Croc and Baby Doll or the fact that it is still more morally acceptable than Bruce and Barbara's.
how about his relationship with the doctor that is possesed by enchantress? no he's not getting it on with the ancient witch that possess bodies, he's having fun with the woman that is possessed and having the witch beeing the third wheel.
I mean as gross as Bruce and Barbra is both parties were still complelty honest with one another. Waylon was manipulating Mary from minute one and had zero qualms with cheating on her at the earliest opportunity even going so far as to make fun of her behind her back with the women he was seeing.
I guess the difference is croc and baby doll didn’t cuck anyone like Batman banging Barbara who was A) half his age B)his surrogate son aka Robin/night wing long time love interest C) his closest ally/friend Jim Gordon’s daughter There are so many lines crossed you might as well say Bruce fell off the map
Edgar was the most tragic character there. He took Waylon in, took care of him, treated him like a friend, made him one fo the most powerful men in Gotham, and in return got killed for no reason after realizing his wife was doing "stuff" behind his back.
I feel like killer croc always had the potential to be redeemed like Plas, If only the society he grew up in was better or people like thomas wayne or like the kents were there for him, I'm pretty sure he would've ended up as a cool superhero. But unfortunately, most stories in DC is mostly a sad and a tragic one...That's why Batman chooses not to kill unless he literally has no other choice, cause deep down he hopes that all of these people can change for the better like Mr. Freeze or Plas...
Mr.freeze,clayface,babydoll,killer croc, Almost half of batman's villains are broken ones can be helped with therapy(possibly). The example is killer frost, somehow she became good and changed ger name to "frost"
Between Juliette and Edgar I wholeheartedly believe that Juliette is the bigger monster. Edgar may have rescued Waylon to use him as a hitman but he was one of the few people to not only treat Waylon as a person but a friend even to the very end of his life. He's still very much in the wrong for having Waylon keep his wife prisoner and leads a criminal organization but as a person he still shows more good humanity than his wife. Meanwhile Juliette may have started out the same way and treated Waylon as a person but over time she grew to see him not for who he was but what. She went from showing him compassion to being very callous towards him. Part of it could be due to her imprisonment but the majority seems to stem from manipulation. She's not loyal to Edgar or Waylon and was more than happy to throw either of them away even after they gave her what she wanted. What makes it worse is how she only started speaking kindly to Waylon again when it was her life on the line. Edgar was flawed but he still has his good side. Juliette meanwhile grew to represent the worst in humanity in every way.
Edgar put Weylon to work, but at no point did he forget who put him in power and what he owed, and at the end, he didn't resort to calling him a monster and turning to violence, or begging. He just forgave him and accepted it. A strange kind of loyalty, particularly from the man who seemed to have the ulterior motives in the beginning.
I remember in Arkham Asylum, Batman writes off Killer Croc as "...just an animal." Even before I knew his backstory, I felt that he was being way too harsh. Then again, in the Arkham Canon, Croc's cannabilism seems to be far more prominent.
I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Arkham croc is more of an animal than human. I think in knight batman says something about crocs disease, and how if it keeps rapidly expanding then he would soon only be an animal with no humanity left in him.
@@isopropyltoxicity And if I remember correctly he is experimented on during the events of Knight which furthers his condition to the point that he's almost gone.
Arkham Croc is *far* gone, compared to this version. He's essentially the same character, but he fully embraced the "monster" persona and just wants to eat people
I never once thought of Croc as someone suffering. I just thought he did what he does because he feels powerful, strong, and that no one can stop him. In reality, its only because people only see the outside of him...and he resents that
In a way I empathize with him. Most people see me as a horrible monster. They don't even give me a chance. Maybe I am a monster but I'm far from horrible. I am a troubled kind soul but few want to look past the exterior to see that. It hurts.
Something that I wish more batman media does is have Batman call the villians by their real names. In the animated series, thats how he always talked to them if he wanted to get them help or try to convince them to surrender. That was until he became battle hardened near the end.
Killer Croc is one of those characters that gets more interesting the more you dig, turning a monstrous creature, into the most fleshed out and tragic human, who doesn’t see himself like that after how much society treated him as such.
This story just makes me feel bad for both Croc and Edgar, who I think genuinely thought of Croc as his only trustworthy companion left. In a better world, it'd've just been Edgar and Croc, livin' as kings. Even if it was a bloody one, it's happier for Croc than what he got.
I wonder if there's a story out there where rogues that "Used to be human" decided to have a night on the town together. People like Killer Croc, Clayface, Man-Bat, just deciding to hang together for a night since nobody else is gonna, might tone down some of these sad and lonely stories if they had some buddies who were living the exact same life.
The thing that made me change my perspective on croc was that he helped speedy thru his lowest point. Speedy (green arrows sidekick) wanted to be suicidal and went to killler croc and fight him. Croc figured it out and refused to do so. They talked about it and formed a friendship. Speedy sometimes checks in on Waylone but he don’t sound like a monster to me after that comic. Funny enough everybody can agree that joker needs to die. But every other Batman villain is redeemable to an extent. Or at least the ones that I’m thinking of rn.
I'm not the most knowledgeable on batman comics but alot of the villains aren't that evil comparatively speaking next to the joker. Freeze wants to save his wife, riddler wants recognition, Harley needs some help mentally but was modtky manipulated by joker, clay face is stuck with being a shape shifter after using an anti aging cream because he was tv host, Harry dent became two face after a freak accident caused him to develop split personality disorder, the list gose on the only one who dose something horribly evil without atleast some reasoning behind it is the joker.
I’ve always thought that a movie of Waylon Jones’ transformation into Killer Croc would do well in theaters, kinda like what Todd Phillips did with Joker. But if they really were to do a Croc movie, they’d either have to go really heavy with special effects, or have something like Suicide Squad Croc (which I bet not a lot of people want to see). Hell, they could even mold him into an anti-hero.
I wish you had also talked about the last pannel in the 2nd comic Waylon looks absolutely defeated, miserable, tired…a whole month he spent with those people and he lost them because of greed, manipulated by a woman he thought cared for him, like the mother he never met, only for her last words to be directed at the man shooting him to not stop
@@Night_Raptor_5991 Dunno bout that one, kinda just sounds edgy to me, sure we'd have a lot of villains but we'd have a lot of heroes too, we'd probably see more people making "heroes" to earn money, fame, etc than anything like people mass producing villains realistically. That's also in the case scenario where heroes and villains are a thing which, I highly doubt would ever happen.
Demonstrably untrue. If that were true, you'd have nurses yanking IV's out of people's arms just to watch them bleed to death all the time. @@Night_Raptor_5991
And then they call HIM monster when all what he wanted - being himself in others eyes and not some monster they always see in him. what a fucking tragedy
When it comes to Killer Croc he's hand down my favorite Batman villain period. His backstory is sad and tragic where it's like cut him some slack universe. I feel like he could be a cool anti-hero like I could see him being a member of the Outlaws with Jason Todd, Roy Harper and Starfire as the muscle of the group or the current Outlaws with Bizarro, Artemis and Jason.
A little fact: Croc also became the sponsor for Roy Harper after he tried to get croc to unalive him. I remember Jason Todd going to croc when Roy Harper went missing
The sad part is, I know exactly how he feels, my whole life people have feared me for the way I look, ignoring my heart, or my well intentions, Reading this comic book really made me cry, some of us walk around our whole lives, feeling like Wreck-It Ralph, unloved and abused😔❤️🩹
Same man I wasnt the biggest dude but was a good size back in highschool 5'10 240lbs and a good portion of it was muscle, I was a kind soul but people always chose to piss me off them play victim when I retaliated out of frustration, all I wanted to do was be left alone and act with pure intentions even when those around me didn't, but luckily I did have 5 close friends that I consider my brothers till this day by my side. But for some reason I was always a target like people could sense that I was a light based soul but id be a lie to say that their actions didnt bring a dark side and vindictiveness to me.
@@deadhouse3889 remember on your dying bed at some random guy on the Internet, told you the truth, for the wages of sin, are death and that hell awaits thee. You are the reason why people kill themselves, and your soul will never find peace.
I also first gets intimated by guys who are like 6'6 above and buffed but I treat them same as I treat other student in my university, laugh when they crack a joke and hang with them when theres not any class
Batman is one of the most varied characters for me, the best batman is the good one, seeing the best in people where possible, and being the best a human can be, whereas in others hes overly violent at times and beyond human, surviving unbelievable things like re-entry
I remember seeing a post somewhere that said something along these lines: "When you're writing Batman, ask yourself if you can imagine your version of him comforting a crying child. If you can't, you didn't write Batman, you wrote The Punisher with a funny hat".
I think that this is what I liked on the first Suicide Squad movie, as Harley speaks to Waylon like a normal person and you can see a spark of humanity in him as he reacts to her and then when they all band together at the Bar.
Ugly truth vs a beautiful lie. He wanted to believe that she was telling the truth because that version was much more appealing to him. Lots of people in similar situations (trauma, loneliness) will fall for this type of manipulation.
This is how you do a sad and endearing super villain story. Most of the fucking time, its just 'super villain lost family and now is taking revenge' or 'super villain was betrayed and now hates the world'
"I've killed so many people for them. But then I realized, I was only using Lakshmana's death as an excuse to do whatever I wanted to do. Just as you use those Ashes as an excuse to do whatever you wanted to do. God damn if it isn't fun." -Pagan Min
I'd love to see a Batman movie where cops are scared to go in the sewers because of what they find down there and Batman unravels the mystery of Croc's past only to realize that Croc isn't a bad guy just misunderstood. Then at the end he even helps Batman defeat the main villain.
Man, he felt happy and accepted for once, and he was just being used, poor Waylon... I was so happy for him, reading Injustice, when he married Orca and found out he was going to be a father, later dissapearing with her to start a new life, seemingly without anyone ever finding them. You go, you beautiful beast of nature.
When it comes to Killer Croc, I root for him instead of rooting for the rest of the world, specifically because it was the world and the people around him that forced him into this way of life. Nobody even gave him a chance to be a good person.
It's funny. I've never read the comics. . . but watching your videos gives me a chance to experience them in a more condensed, easily digestible format. I really love your vids! Keep it up! I never knew I could love something like this.
Theres an extra layer to this as in the Arkham Knight DLC with Croc we learn that his "mutation" can be accelerated through physical trauma, causing any damage to grow back more monstrous than before which might lead one to believe rhat what his aunt did effectively locked in Waylons fate right from the get-go
I always found it funny how croc is either a green scaly human or lizard if he aggressively snacked on mcdonalds on the daily, i personally like the fat lizard design because it has a charm and i find humanoid reptiles creepy as hell.
Honestly, I would love to see an alternate reality, where Killer Croc ends up becoming a hero. Maybe Batman takes him under his wing? (Pun partially intended.) Maybe he’s brought into Justice League Dark? (I know that group is about magic, but I feel like he would fit in pretty well among characters like Constantine and Swamp-Thing.)
Killer Croc was straight up terrifying in Arkham Asylum. This massive creature that would appear out of nowhere that you could only incapacitate, never defeat. Then you listen to his audio recordings and actually feel sorry for the man. What a trip
I always thought Killer Croc would be an interesting anti-hero type character. Of course I love him as a villain, but imagine the Bat Family accepting Croc into their home and maybe treating him better than anyone else. Now imagine Killer Croc being Batman's go to guy for dealing with any missions that might involve the sewer or any water. Imagine Jason Todd and Croc going after drug dealers and stuff. Could be cool
This is my personal opinion but I feel like Killer Croc will be more accepted if he ever went to live at Atlantis. Killer Croc versus a Broken Man who wants to be left alone
Batman just has the most interesting villains ever. All of them really have their own stories and identities and man, I will always love learning more about them. Great vid.
Gah damn. I never knew he was like this. Most portrayals of him are as just a ruthless thug, with the exception of that 90's episode of Batman, where he teamed up with, I think her name was Baby Doll (the "adult child" actress who had growth problems that gave her mental issues)? Batman villains were always the best, they should have represented him better in all his animated counterparts, too. This would be an amazing episode of a modern show for Batman, or simply a series of short movies.
Leatherhead from TMNT and Killer Croc need to have a deep conversation together Share their suffering and pain, and become the Croc Combo, giving their fellow reptiles a good name
He really just wants to belong... somewhere. But just about everyone either uses, shuns, betrays or fails him. Just because he's different. But still human, despite his massive mutations. But how can you even DARE trust anyone, when ones life has been filled with such complete hatred and rejection? Being an outcast can be such a curse. But even then, there us hope. Croc still has hope, but he rarely ever gets to feel happy. Truly depressing, but also heartwarming. Hope remains.
Since Gotham was flooded at the end of the last movie, I think it would be cool if in ‘The Batman 2’ Killer Croc was the villain and was just lurking around in the flooded streets of Gotham eating people
Or maybe they could try and keep his humanity alive and make it a misunderstanding that he's trying to help people but they see him as a monster. Like he was writtent o be you know.
Now that I think about it I have not once considered Croc’s backstory ever or that it may be tragic at all. He’s always presented as unabashedly evil and savage in whatever he’s in.
The dude who interviewed Weylon 100% had that coming. Dude was just poking him to feel superior and feel powerful over a guy who clearly has a lot of psychological trauma.
I dont know if the entire comic was like that, but in the Beauty and the Beast story, the fact that all the scenes shown just had Croc standing around and not talking while everyone else did really showed that even in a home where supposedly they had taken him in, it wasn't his story. He had no agency. He just stood there in the background or just had to be silent while the others talked because he was just being swept along until everything blew up and he took back control. He only speaks when everything is over and he asks to be taken away.
Ever since playing the Lego Batman video game with killer croc, he has been my favourite Batman villain aside from the Eraser. But I never really saw anyone flesh out his character so thank you!
What’s wild to me is that Croc has a great origin story to be a hero. Not only that but with all the other freaks flying around and punching through walls in the DC universe, you’d think one of them would take croc in under their wing and show him a path of good. But maybe it was too late and he wasn’t found soon enough by the right people. So he ends up embracing the monster people made him out to be.
Well him and Roy have a mutual friendship going on because speedy was actively pursuing a death wish and went to fight croc who immediately realized Roy wanted to go down fighting
He kinda reminds me of this NPC in my DnD campaign, called Rafael. He was born in a very hostile environment. His father turned him into a monster and forced him to do terrible things. When he finally had enough, he killed his father and burned their house down, making sure his sister and butler got out safe. He died.... Or so he thought. Turns out his powers granted him a form of immortality, but it all came with a cost. For 1200 years he was a prisoner in his body, as it moved and acted "on its own accord". I would say more, but maybe it's best if some things... are kept a secret....
Croc is a beautiful metaphor that I can relate very deeply with. I've been abused my whole life and that's caused me to what i like to say "grow scales" where i simply became more and more numb to pain silly through constantly experiencing it. I had at a time begun to lose sense of my humanity nearly completely disconnected from the suffering of others because to me pain is a given, a constant, and something we should all grow numb too. If you can't deal with pain then you're weak, and thus deserve to suffer not as punishment but as a means of making you numb like me. At my worst I had become hyper defensive and had made pain the only method of communication I felt I had with people. Hurt or be hurt. That's just what life is. Believing in anything else will just get you taken advantage of and hurt. Croc just fits how i feel too closely for me to think it's on accident. He is what happens to people when we treat them with cruelty, and sadly after a certain point that person will be stuck like that till they die. Their entire existence completely squandered.
He may be somewhat sadistic and barbaric, but knowing what’s he’s been through in his life and time at the asylum. It’s not hard to see why he is the way he is
Its sad for people who dont know this character or his lore even tho hes a fictional character you still have to feel really bad about his own reputation
I've been anti social most of my life and as such I've no friend circle and so except my family everyone treats me as somewhat of an outcast. That's why I feel very sympathetic towards characters that are treated differently just because of their features or personality. My heart goes out to all such suffering souls. You're not outcast you're unique♥️
Killer Croc: "I am a victim of prejudice!" 😢 Judge: "Dude, you literally eat human heads for fun and you didn't think twice before robbing the circus freaks that kindly accepted you as one of them. You're going to the f*cking gas chamber!" Killer Croc: "F*ck..."
Croc IS a victim of prejudice. He was savagely attacked and taunted as a child, repeatedly robbed of his humanity, blamed for a crime he didn’t commit, most accepted he ever was was being abused as a freakshow attraction where his boss treated him like some animal he was taught he was subhuman, and its a surprise when he acts it? Hed been trying to be nice his whole life but was never given a chance, thats why he’s the way he is. Why does he eat people? Numerous reasons. He wont be accepted by people or fed, he considers other humans to be cruel and evil anyway, he considers himself a monster too so eating people is him giving up and simple accepting the titles given to him. It’s easier to be called a monster if you believe it too
I remember back in 2011 when I watched a video about a guy making a video about this Killer Croc comic. I was surprised because before that I thought that Killer Croc was just a mindless monster. The same guy made about Doctor Octopus, his sad backstory and the period where he was the superior Spider-Man and once again I thought that Doctor Octopus was just a typical mad scientist before that.
The best versions of batman is the one that empathizes with his villains and doesnt see them as enemies but as hurt ans mentally damaged/ill people, and he will always initially try to go out of his way to try to help/save them before he is forced take them down. Hell, even way into his career as batman, and has encountered some of his villians numerous times at this/that point, he still tries to help them and convince them to give up their villanous/evil ways and that he can help them. Batman just wants to help these people. He relates to them because just like them to some degree, he too was affected by an unfair and cruel world and because of that experience he too became badly mentally ill and wants to avoid more people being damaged like he was. In some ways, batman is still that little boy that unfortunately lost his parents, doing his best to avoid any other kid having to go through similar experiences to him or any one of his villians. Thats also part of the reason as to why he doesn't want to kill them/his villians and why he sends them to a mental asylum and not a maximum security prison.
You know i always consider interesting the villains where the "society make me.like this" is true. Like gladiator and killer croc, they don't use them that way a lot because superheroes plots have some allergies against any gray area and system critics . But, men, how i enjoy when they do it.
Being one thing on the outside that everyone sees and expects me to be while being someone else on the inside is... extremely relatable to me. If I could meet Waylon, I'd be friends with him in a heartbeat
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*Fun fact:* During the events of "No Man's Land", Croc formed a gang and took advantage of the chaos to extort items from the civilians. At one point, a poor child gives his stuffed animal Crocky (an anthropomorphic crocodile from a popular children's cartoon) to the reptile man and asks him to treat it kindly, causing a genuine laugh from Croc.
Well does he
@@tfordham13yeah we need to know @TheAbsolutistDetective
We must know
Is no man’s land worth reading
@real_slim_shady6267 I have, and I would say it is
croc in the suit and tie looks kinda spiffy id hire that man in an instant
I'd be like bro you look cool as fuck wanna be a waiter you look like you can carry alot
Instant head of security
Bro, if Killer Croc was in the Marvel Universe, he would have been an X-Man 10 seconds flat.
The x men would be like: You and beast are going to be best pals!
The Doom Patrol would love him
@@BopmyglizzAt least Suicide Squad has him
@@lewisainohardly a comfort
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I would have hired this man in a heartbeat. He seems like he can handle manual labor really well and probably wouldn't mind having to work in hot environments. Even with no work experience, an entry level construction or warehouse job really could have set this guy on the right path.
he would be the world's best naval diver or underwater oil rig welder lol
Plus that with the word "underwater", man can make big bucks.
@@gadunka888or golf ball retriever, seeing as the alligators wouldn’t be able to do anything to a normal crocodile.
@@bodyno3158he could fix underwater oil pipelines without any possible issues.
It's unrealistic, people would've already been in his DMs or emails trying to marry them because they want a reptile boyfriend.
It's not all bad for Waylon, he did get an amazing moment to shine when he saved Roy Harper's life. I forgot the comic name, but basically, Roy's happiest memory was revealed to be a night when he was fighting Waylon on a rooftop. This was after Green Arrow abandoned Roy for being a heroin addict and Roy was picking fights with villains until one managed to kill him. Waylon figures this out midfight, stops and basically tells Roy to straighten his life out instead of giving up and letting someone assist in suicide. A later comic shows the two talking while also revealing that Waylon became Roy's rehab sponsor. Roy was disowned and cast out by everyone closest to him, and yet Killer Croc was the only one willing to support him.
Well, he was the one that understands what it means to be an outcast
That was in "Red Hood and the Outlaws" issue #3
Does Roy ever reconcile with his old friends? And do he and Killer croc still maintain their friendship?
@@MasterHeracross The 2011 run to be precise, not the one from 2016.
That’s awesome
Killer Croc is often portrayed as mindless muscle, which is a shame because stories like this prove you can do a lot more with the character.
True
I think thise stories do wel with the character too, in that they show how his mind has deteriorated over the years. Humans are social creatures, and with only paranoia and hostility as your friends you're gonna have to resort on fight or flught more than you would critical thinking skills. Stories that show his fall from grace are golden, but they wouldnt be anything without the stories that show him as a mindless monster. They show what his fall from grace and what society turned him into
I mean they quite literally explained why if you watch the video
The Jokers asylum story is really sad ngl.
croc killed somebody who truly thought of him as an equal or family just because he had trust issues. i feel for the guy
That guy didn’t see him as an equal, he was using Croc too. It was in the video we all just watched…
@@DrexSux the only usage the guy used with croc was fro strength and muscle to seem like a mod boss, but behind closed doors he apologised when HE shouted at croc. he cared for him but he got killed.
@@DrexSux by that logic every working boss manipulates their employees. He saw Crock as a friend beyond the employee-employer relationship.
@@theauthor6669 every boss does
@@tillburr6799 not really but okay
Edgar is the only one that actually seemed to care for killer croc, didn’t seem like it was only for how he was useful. Edgar wanted him to be in the house and treated as family when Juliet was against it.
Spoiler alert, they use him for their crime activity
@@sameersharma763to be fair, if I was a mob boss with a reptile mutant as my friend/muscle, I’d use him for crime as well. At least croc got a home and clothes as payment
@@sameersharma763and what? You think they were never aware of that? He’s knows damn well that he’s good at it, and they won’t just let him sit down on his ass even if they take care of him. He knows his worth, and so, doesn’t complain if someone wants to put his strengths to use. Not that different from a job. He stayed because Edgar did truly treat him like a person.
@@FrankCapybara k
Yeah, I figured the same when it shows the Edgar and the wife talking alone while Waylon is seemingly out of the house or at least out of earshot. The wife immediately refers to Waylon as a "your pet killer" and Edgar's first reaction is to tell her to not call him that and remind her he's the main reason they're doing so well. He at the least viewed him as more his partner and not some dumb muscle, so it's likely he saw him as friend as well.
I have never thought of killer croc as a human. And now I feel so bad because of it. He went through hell and he never deserved this. No one does
I get that, but I would argue that the Joker would deserve it
@@Dexter2017 ok. Someone deserves this.
Such of the cards of life. You play with the hand you're dealt with.
Tons of evil people deserve it. Rapists, murderers, racists etc.
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I wonder if there's ever been a comic detailing Killer Croc's first act of cannibalism. Eating someone would probably be the final straw separating him from humanity and it would be interesting to see how Waylon reacted to commiting such a heinous act.
Not really. Whole tribes practiced cannibalism and it didn't really make them less human. It's all about cosmovision and perspective.
@@theothertonydutchWhat
Thats isnt croc's culture tho now is it? He is not in those tribes, and urban western culture DOES see cannabilism as inhumane, and marks a fall from grace. "Its about perspective" but you arent seeing it from croc's. Croc was raised in a place where cannibalism is awful, so when he finally does it, he has reached his version of rock bottom.
@@theothertonydutch Cultural relativism is a joke and there are objectively terrible things that exist. Just because subjective perspectives exist doesn't outweigh the fact we can rate things objectively to the best of our capabilities.
@@theothertonydutchmany cultures practiced cannibalism because of spiritual beliefs (like protecting loved ones from evil spirits by eating their corpses). Croc does it for the lols
Killer Croc really is one of the more sympathetic villains as *he constantly tries to find happiness* in different ways as he constantly is treated as an outcast and monster, everyone saw him as a killing machine when in reality he was forced to become said killing machine, and only now and then has he found new ways to find happiness. *Croc actually can be a good person, because Killer Croc helped Roy Harper/aka Speedy/Red Arrow to kick his heroin addiction all thanks to Waylon's help and support.* Croc was even once *in love with a fellow villain and Suicide Squad member June Moone/aka The Enchantress* , Waylon fell in love with June because she saw the real him and she fell in love with the caring man he was and *the two actually had an incredibly wholesome relationship for a while, both helping each other as partners and June was even able to teach Waylon how to read and write and Waylon helped June get her dream job in graphic design in New York* . For a time in his life, *Waylon felt happiness that he finally had someone who loved him for who he is.*
I probably will regret asking... but what happened to his relation with June?
What happened between June and waylen
@@MorgrumTenPrawdziwy It's a bit hard to explain but last I remember June was dragged down to Hell and Waylon had to watch, and after that Waylon was broken inside and so depressed he had to go back to a life of crime despite trying so hard to carry on without her.
It's truly sad because I wish their relationship continued longer because they are genuinely a wholesome couple that brought the best out of each other.
Enchantress doesn't show up here and there in small cameo appearances but aside form that her relation ship with Croc has remained unknown and uncertain
@@mistabruhmoment8688 It's a bit hard to explain but last I remember June was dragged down to Hell and Waylon had to watch, and after that Waylon was broken inside and so depressed he had to go back to a life of crime despite trying so hard to carry on without her.
It's truly sad because I wish their relationship continued longer because they are genuinely a wholesome couple that brought the best out of each other.
Enchantress doesn't show up here and there in small cameo appearances but aside form that her relation ship with Croc has remained unknown and uncertain
Croc is one of those characters that writers just constantly shit on for some reason. He's just constantly facing adversity poor bastard
He's the only character that Batman The Animated Series got wrong. In BTAS he's just a dumb brute.
Still pretty cool in that show, tho.
Me as a kid: I like Killer Croc because he's a reptile.
Me now: Dang, Killer Croc seems like a chill guy when you actually treat him like a human.
It's actually kinda sweet to see Waylon Jones being treated with respect and love, by Edgar, it only sucks that he was manipulated by the lady in the end.
my thoughts exactly
woman☕️
Remember that it's always bros before hoes.
Surprisingly, Edgar actually was the most interesting character in the story, IMO.
He doesn't seem to be inherently bad but seemed to have been manipulated for some good time down this path.
You can see this by the end when he looked sad as if he realized he and Waylon were both manipulated and probably seeming to regret going down that path.
He reminds me of Macbeth (from the famous Shakespeare play)
He also seemed to genuinely trust and care for Waylon as a comrade. You can see this at the end when he has his back turned to him while knowing full well how angry and manipulated he is at that moment. He had hope he'd still have some trust in him and give the matter more thought but his hope was never fulfilled.
Yeah, Edgar was the one that wanted him to be in the house and be family. Juliet was against it
@@bellsando6506but he also treated him like a person. Croc knew what Edgar wanted him for but it was the way Edgar was treating him that got him to stay
@@bellsando6506 He wanted to hire and pay him to be his body guard and killer. I feel there is a distinction that he made sure Croc got paid and was taken care of. I felt he really thought they were business partners.
@@bellsando6506Despite that he still cared for him. Its not like he forced croc to kill them he asked croc to kill them.
I think he thought Waylon was angry about him since he sent him Kill the wife, he didn't know he had met Juliet downstairs with a black eye (since he's not the one who hit her), Juliet most likely took a quicker route back home with a car (faster) after being hit by ther "boyfriend" and made it look like Edgar hit her and the fact that she was home when she came back could have made Waylon think that Edgar was lying to him about Juliet betraying him. Juliet did quite well manipulating Waylon, sadly.
I don't know what is more cursed, the relationship between Croc and Baby Doll or the fact that it is still more morally acceptable than Bruce and Barbara's.
how about his relationship with the doctor that is possesed by enchantress?
no he's not getting it on with the ancient witch that possess bodies, he's having fun with the woman that is possessed and having the witch beeing the third wheel.
EXCUSE ME WHAT
I didn't even know baby doll was an adult until I looked that episode up, fucking cursed
I mean as gross as Bruce and Barbra is both parties were still complelty honest with one another.
Waylon was manipulating Mary from minute one and had zero qualms with cheating on her at the earliest opportunity even going so far as to make fun of her behind her back with the women he was seeing.
I guess the difference is croc and baby doll didn’t cuck anyone like Batman banging Barbara who was A) half his age
B)his surrogate son aka Robin/night wing long time love interest
C) his closest ally/friend Jim Gordon’s daughter
There are so many lines crossed you might as well say Bruce fell off the map
Edgar was the most tragic character there. He took Waylon in, took care of him, treated him like a friend, made him one fo the most powerful men in Gotham, and in return got killed for no reason after realizing his wife was doing "stuff" behind his back.
I feel like killer croc always had the potential to be redeemed like Plas, If only the society he grew up in was better or people like thomas wayne or like the kents were there for him, I'm pretty sure he would've ended up as a cool superhero. But unfortunately, most stories in DC is mostly a sad and a tragic one...That's why Batman chooses not to kill unless he literally has no other choice, cause deep down he hopes that all of these people can change for the better like Mr. Freeze or Plas...
Mr.freeze,clayface,babydoll,killer croc,
Almost half of batman's villains are broken ones can be helped with therapy(possibly).
The example is killer frost, somehow she became good and changed ger name to "frost"
@@halkrasEmma Frost from Marvel X-men
I think it would depend on which comic you read, because Aaron Cash would hard core disagree especially about the claim Croc never ate anyone
@@linkholder No. Killer Frost from DC.
My dude ate people tho. Alive.
Between Juliette and Edgar I wholeheartedly believe that Juliette is the bigger monster. Edgar may have rescued Waylon to use him as a hitman but he was one of the few people to not only treat Waylon as a person but a friend even to the very end of his life. He's still very much in the wrong for having Waylon keep his wife prisoner and leads a criminal organization but as a person he still shows more good humanity than his wife.
Meanwhile Juliette may have started out the same way and treated Waylon as a person but over time she grew to see him not for who he was but what. She went from showing him compassion to being very callous towards him. Part of it could be due to her imprisonment but the majority seems to stem from manipulation. She's not loyal to Edgar or Waylon and was more than happy to throw either of them away even after they gave her what she wanted. What makes it worse is how she only started speaking kindly to Waylon again when it was her life on the line.
Edgar was flawed but he still has his good side. Juliette meanwhile grew to represent the worst in humanity in every way.
Edgar put Weylon to work, but at no point did he forget who put him in power and what he owed, and at the end, he didn't resort to calling him a monster and turning to violence, or begging. He just forgave him and accepted it. A strange kind of loyalty, particularly from the man who seemed to have the ulterior motives in the beginning.
I remember in Arkham Asylum, Batman writes off Killer Croc as "...just an animal." Even before I knew his backstory, I felt that he was being way too harsh.
Then again, in the Arkham Canon, Croc's cannabilism seems to be far more prominent.
I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Arkham croc is more of an animal than human. I think in knight batman says something about crocs disease, and how if it keeps rapidly expanding then he would soon only be an animal with no humanity left in him.
Tbf, the Arkham version was meant to be villainous, and never made any attempt to redeem himself.
The Arkham version has a condition to where we will fully turn into a crocodile eventually and not be intelligent
@@isopropyltoxicity And if I remember correctly he is experimented on during the events of Knight which furthers his condition to the point that he's almost gone.
Arkham Croc is *far* gone, compared to this version. He's essentially the same character, but he fully embraced the "monster" persona and just wants to eat people
I never once thought of Croc as someone suffering. I just thought he did what he does because he feels powerful, strong, and that no one can stop him. In reality, its only because people only see the outside of him...and he resents that
In a way I empathize with him. Most people see me as a horrible monster. They don't even give me a chance. Maybe I am a monster but I'm far from horrible. I am a troubled kind soul but few want to look past the exterior to see that. It hurts.
Something that I wish more batman media does is have Batman call the villians by their real names. In the animated series, thats how he always talked to them if he wanted to get them help or try to convince them to surrender. That was until he became battle hardened near the end.
Which series? I want to look into this.
@@alphamoonmanBatman The Animated Series, a pretty good show (but pretty overrated).
@@The_Sleepiest_Socialist .. idk about overrated..
@@Zeeboklownit’s terrible everything about boring as show is outdated.
@@hueyfreeman.6862 that's like, ur opinion, man..
Killer Croc is one of those characters that gets more interesting the more you dig, turning a monstrous creature, into the most fleshed out and tragic human, who doesn’t see himself like that after how much society treated him as such.
This story just makes me feel bad for both Croc and Edgar, who I think genuinely thought of Croc as his only trustworthy companion left. In a better world, it'd've just been Edgar and Croc, livin' as kings. Even if it was a bloody one, it's happier for Croc than what he got.
Fr Edgar really thought of crock as a companion but ofc he got manipulated by that woman
I wonder if there's a story out there where rogues that "Used to be human" decided to have a night on the town together. People like Killer Croc, Clayface, Man-Bat, just deciding to hang together for a night since nobody else is gonna, might tone down some of these sad and lonely stories if they had some buddies who were living the exact same life.
The thing that made me change my perspective on croc was that he helped speedy thru his lowest point. Speedy (green arrows sidekick) wanted to be suicidal and went to killler croc and fight him. Croc figured it out and refused to do so. They talked about it and formed a friendship. Speedy sometimes checks in on Waylone but he don’t sound like a monster to me after that comic. Funny enough everybody can agree that joker needs to die. But every other Batman villain is redeemable to an extent. Or at least the ones that I’m thinking of rn.
I'm not the most knowledgeable on batman comics but alot of the villains aren't that evil comparatively speaking next to the joker. Freeze wants to save his wife, riddler wants recognition, Harley needs some help mentally but was modtky manipulated by joker, clay face is stuck with being a shape shifter after using an anti aging cream because he was tv host, Harry dent became two face after a freak accident caused him to develop split personality disorder, the list gose on the only one who dose something horribly evil without atleast some reasoning behind it is the joker.
Mad hatter is pretty irredeemable imo
What about the Penguin? 🐧
Joker, Szaazs, Crane, Pyg and Tetch, those sre the only unredeemable villains in my opinion, the worst of the worst
@@bryanp5843He ain't really evil, just a normal mafia boss
I’ve always thought that a movie of Waylon Jones’ transformation into Killer Croc would do well in theaters, kinda like what Todd Phillips did with Joker. But if they really were to do a Croc movie, they’d either have to go really heavy with special effects, or have something like Suicide Squad Croc (which I bet not a lot of people want to see). Hell, they could even mold him into an anti-hero.
I wish you had also talked about the last pannel in the 2nd comic
Waylon looks absolutely defeated, miserable, tired…a whole month he spent with those people and he lost them because of greed, manipulated by a woman he thought cared for him, like the mother he never met, only for her last words to be directed at the man shooting him to not stop
11:40 This is so depressing man
That disgusting
I would love to see a Marvel/DC story where Kraven is in Gotham and hunts down Killer Croc, Man Bat, and Batman
that would be totally badass! we should go over Marvel and DCs accounts (on all social media) and spam this idea!
@@alikuwait3443 Dew It
To Batman that would just be another deathstroke deadshot and bane in Gotham
@@ASS-tb3mq he will definitely humble him 😂
@@alikuwait3443 maybe if it was Batman in his first year or something definitely not current Batman lmao
1:05 saddest sentence ever
If I were an adult who came across child Waylon, I'd totally try to raise him up to be a superhero called "Dinoman" or something like that xD
Just because someone has a special power, that doesn't mean they're a special person. Everyone needs to be loved.
I feel like if mutants were real we would have more villains than heros because most people like to be cruel and create "monsters".
Lol, in the DC universe, this isn't that farfetched.
@@Night_Raptor_5991 Dunno bout that one, kinda just sounds edgy to me, sure we'd have a lot of villains but we'd have a lot of heroes too, we'd probably see more people making "heroes" to earn money, fame, etc than anything like people mass producing villains realistically.
That's also in the case scenario where heroes and villains are a thing which, I highly doubt would ever happen.
Demonstrably untrue. If that were true, you'd have nurses yanking IV's out of people's arms just to watch them bleed to death all the time. @@Night_Raptor_5991
Croc being tricked into killing the only person that cared about him by the wife is just brutal.
And then they call HIM monster when all what he wanted - being himself in others eyes and not some monster they always see in him. what a fucking tragedy
People say Edgar was playing croc in this nah
Bro was loyal that's what makes me the saddest he didn't even put a fight for Waylon.😢
Even when Waylon wasn't around, Edgar made sure that Waylon was referred to as a person and not a pet
When it comes to Killer Croc he's hand down my favorite Batman villain period. His backstory is sad and tragic where it's like cut him some slack universe. I feel like he could be a cool anti-hero like I could see him being a member of the Outlaws with Jason Todd, Roy Harper and Starfire as the muscle of the group or the current Outlaws with Bizarro, Artemis and Jason.
A little fact: Croc also became the sponsor for Roy Harper after he tried to get croc to unalive him. I remember Jason Todd going to croc when Roy Harper went missing
The sad part is, I know exactly how he feels, my whole life people have feared me for the way I look, ignoring my heart, or my well intentions, Reading this comic book really made me cry, some of us walk around our whole lives, feeling like Wreck-It Ralph, unloved and abused😔❤️🩹
Same man I wasnt the biggest dude but was a good size back in highschool 5'10 240lbs and a good portion of it was muscle, I was a kind soul but people always chose to piss me off them play victim when I retaliated out of frustration, all I wanted to do was be left alone and act with pure intentions even when those around me didn't, but luckily I did have 5 close friends that I consider my brothers till this day by my side. But for some reason I was always a target like people could sense that I was a light based soul but id be a lie to say that their actions didnt bring a dark side and vindictiveness to me.
@@deadhouse3889 remember on your dying bed at some random guy on the Internet, told you the truth, for the wages of sin, are death and that hell awaits thee. You are the reason why people kill themselves, and your soul will never find peace.
I also first gets intimated by guys who are like 6'6 above and buffed but I treat them same as I treat other student in my university, laugh when they crack a joke and hang with them when theres not any class
Batman is one of the most varied characters for me, the best batman is the good one, seeing the best in people where possible, and being the best a human can be, whereas in others hes overly violent at times and beyond human, surviving unbelievable things like re-entry
I remember seeing a post somewhere that said something along these lines: "When you're writing Batman, ask yourself if you can imagine your version of him comforting a crying child. If you can't, you didn't write Batman, you wrote The Punisher with a funny hat".
Justice league’s “Royal Flush Gang” episode is peak Batman
You can have both
And then you have Millar's TDKR Batman which is everything Bats shouldn't be. Militant, abusive, psychotic, a pseudo rebel and holier than thou
I think that this is what I liked on the first Suicide Squad movie, as Harley speaks to Waylon like a normal person and you can see a spark of humanity in him as he reacts to her and then when they all band together at the Bar.
Waylon messed up by forgetting the golden rule "Bros before hoes"
Ugly truth vs a beautiful lie.
He wanted to believe that she was telling the truth because that version was much more appealing to him. Lots of people in similar situations (trauma, loneliness) will fall for this type of manipulation.
@@TacklepigWhy would he want to believe that, Edgar was nothing but a friend to him.
@@selfimprovement5873Like I would rather believe the person who gave me a house than a random TnA
@@selfimprovement5873 So was Juliette to be fair.
"He looked like a monster, so they treated him like a monster, and he _became_ a monster."
This is how you do a sad and endearing super villain story. Most of the fucking time, its just 'super villain lost family and now is taking revenge' or 'super villain was betrayed and now hates the world'
"I've killed so many people for them. But then I realized, I was only using Lakshmana's death as an excuse to do whatever I wanted to do. Just as you use those Ashes as an excuse to do whatever you wanted to do. God damn if it isn't fun."
-Pagan Min
“He always finds good in people”
Also Batman: *BEATS A JAYWALKER TO A VEGETATIVE STATE*
Killer Croc is like if Raphael was a Crocodile and didn't have his brothers or Splinter.
I'd love to see a Batman movie where cops are scared to go in the sewers because of what they find down there and Batman unravels the mystery of Croc's past only to realize that Croc isn't a bad guy just misunderstood. Then at the end he even helps Batman defeat the main villain.
Spending almost half a minute on an intro distinguishing Killer Croc from the Lizard just to set up a joke that he looks like the Lizard... genius.
Man, he felt happy and accepted for once, and he was just being used, poor Waylon... I was so happy for him, reading Injustice, when he married Orca and found out he was going to be a father, later dissapearing with her to start a new life, seemingly without anyone ever finding them. You go, you beautiful beast of nature.
I could swear Queen made a song about him…
That's killer queen compatriot
I'm pretty sure that song is about a bitter ex lol
When it comes to Killer Croc, I root for him instead of rooting for the rest of the world, specifically because it was the world and the people around him that forced him into this way of life. Nobody even gave him a chance to be a good person.
If Batman gave him s 2nd chance then why he chose evil again? 😆
@@hackman669 he dont know which to chose😮
He would make a pretty cool hero character
"Crocodile-Man"
@@brothermicah176
The Alligator.
A combination between Ninja Turtles and Batman.
It's funny. I've never read the comics. . . but watching your videos gives me a chance to experience them in a more condensed, easily digestible format. I really love your vids! Keep it up! I never knew I could love something like this.
getting into comics is really hard nowadays so this channel is a big help indeed
Definitely recommend if you are financially able/they are available to you. Comics are underselling. Honestly goes for me too.
I like in the Injustice comics, Croc actually gets married to a lady Super villain named Orca.
That's what his kissing at the end right?
Theres an extra layer to this as in the Arkham Knight DLC with Croc we learn that his "mutation" can be accelerated through physical trauma, causing any damage to grow back more monstrous than before which might lead one to believe rhat what his aunt did effectively locked in Waylons fate right from the get-go
I always found it funny how croc is either a green scaly human or lizard if he aggressively snacked on mcdonalds on the daily, i personally like the fat lizard design because it has a charm and i find humanoid reptiles creepy as hell.
This dude scared the hell out of me as a kid in the Arkham series. But now I feel for the big man. He just needs an honest soul around him.
Killer Croc is a shining example of when the "monster" isn't a monster, but humanity is.
I wish I could give Waylon a planet sized-hug, the man hasn’t deserved any of this 🥺
Honestly, I would love to see an alternate reality, where Killer Croc ends up becoming a hero.
Maybe Batman takes him under his wing? (Pun partially intended.)
Maybe he’s brought into Justice League Dark? (I know that group is about magic, but I feel like he would fit in pretty well among characters like Constantine and Swamp-Thing.)
6:56 Bro how does Croc look SO GOOD in that outfit
At least earth one killer croc got the help he needed from Batman but it does make me wish our cannon version was accepted by someone.🐱
Killer Croc was straight up terrifying in Arkham Asylum. This massive creature that would appear out of nowhere that you could only incapacitate, never defeat. Then you listen to his audio recordings and actually feel sorry for the man. What a trip
I always thought Killer Croc would be an interesting anti-hero type character. Of course I love him as a villain, but imagine the Bat Family accepting Croc into their home and maybe treating him better than anyone else. Now imagine Killer Croc being Batman's go to guy for dealing with any missions that might involve the sewer or any water. Imagine Jason Todd and Croc going after drug dealers and stuff. Could be cool
*_0:11_**_ You just make me travel 15 years from the past, thankyou_*
Wuh..?
This is my personal opinion but I feel like Killer Croc will be more accepted if he ever went to live at Atlantis.
Killer Croc versus a Broken Man who wants to be left alone
Batman just has the most interesting villains ever. All of them really have their own stories and identities and man, I will always love learning more about them. Great vid.
Gah damn. I never knew he was like this. Most portrayals of him are as just a ruthless thug, with the exception of that 90's episode of Batman, where he teamed up with, I think her name was Baby Doll (the "adult child" actress who had growth problems that gave her mental issues)? Batman villains were always the best, they should have represented him better in all his animated counterparts, too. This would be an amazing episode of a modern show for Batman, or simply a series of short movies.
Leatherhead from TMNT and Killer Croc need to have a deep conversation together
Share their suffering and pain, and become the Croc Combo, giving their fellow reptiles a good name
The ending💀💀
I'm not gay but...
But what….
Hhmmmm dark side
He really just wants to belong... somewhere. But just about everyone either uses, shuns, betrays or fails him. Just because he's different. But still human, despite his massive mutations. But how can you even DARE trust anyone, when ones life has been filled with such complete hatred and rejection?
Being an outcast can be such a curse. But even then, there us hope. Croc still has hope, but he rarely ever gets to feel happy.
Truly depressing, but also heartwarming. Hope remains.
Since Gotham was flooded at the end of the last movie, I think it would be cool if in ‘The Batman 2’ Killer Croc was the villain and was just lurking around in the flooded streets of Gotham eating people
Or maybe they could try and keep his humanity alive and make it a misunderstanding that he's trying to help people but they see him as a monster. Like he was writtent o be you know.
Now that I think about it I have not once considered Croc’s backstory ever or that it may be tragic at all. He’s always presented as unabashedly evil and savage in whatever he’s in.
The dude who interviewed Weylon 100% had that coming. Dude was just poking him to feel superior and feel powerful over a guy who clearly has a lot of psychological trauma.
I dont know if the entire comic was like that, but in the Beauty and the Beast story, the fact that all the scenes shown just had Croc standing around and not talking while everyone else did really showed that even in a home where supposedly they had taken him in, it wasn't his story. He had no agency. He just stood there in the background or just had to be silent while the others talked because he was just being swept along until everything blew up and he took back control. He only speaks when everything is over and he asks to be taken away.
Waylon is easily a character I love dearly for sure, and hope to see more of him in the future
Also that ending ☠️
Ever since playing the Lego Batman video game with killer croc, he has been my favourite Batman villain aside from the Eraser. But I never really saw anyone flesh out his character so thank you!
What’s wild to me is that Croc has a great origin story to be a hero. Not only that but with all the other freaks flying around and punching through walls in the DC universe, you’d think one of them would take croc in under their wing and show him a path of good.
But maybe it was too late and he wasn’t found soon enough by the right people. So he ends up embracing the monster people made him out to be.
I need to see this as an elseword
Well him and Roy have a mutual friendship going on because speedy was actively pursuing a death wish and went to fight croc who immediately realized Roy wanted to go down fighting
Bro look at 11:38
@@Goofymanonutubebro hell naw wtf
He kinda reminds me of this NPC in my DnD campaign, called Rafael. He was born in a very hostile environment. His father turned him into a monster and forced him to do terrible things. When he finally had enough, he killed his father and burned their house down, making sure his sister and butler got out safe. He died.... Or so he thought. Turns out his powers granted him a form of immortality, but it all came with a cost. For 1200 years he was a prisoner in his body, as it moved and acted "on its own accord".
I would say more, but maybe it's best if some things... are kept a secret....
I've never played DND before but this comment makes it seem fun
@@Agente13840 it is if you play with the right people.
Croc is a beautiful metaphor that I can relate very deeply with.
I've been abused my whole life and that's caused me to what i like to say "grow scales" where i simply became more and more numb to pain silly through constantly experiencing it.
I had at a time begun to lose sense of my humanity nearly completely disconnected from the suffering of others because to me pain is a given, a constant, and something we should all grow numb too. If you can't deal with pain then you're weak, and thus deserve to suffer not as punishment but as a means of making you numb like me.
At my worst I had become hyper defensive and had made pain the only method of communication I felt I had with people.
Hurt or be hurt. That's just what life is. Believing in anything else will just get you taken advantage of and hurt.
Croc just fits how i feel too closely for me to think it's on accident. He is what happens to people when we treat them with cruelty, and sadly after a certain point that person will be stuck like that till they die. Their entire existence completely squandered.
He may be somewhat sadistic and barbaric, but knowing what’s he’s been through in his life and time at the asylum. It’s not hard to see why he is the way he is
Its sad for people who dont know this character or his lore even tho hes a fictional character you still have to feel really bad about his own reputation
I've been anti social most of my life and as such I've no friend circle and so except my family everyone treats me as somewhat of an outcast. That's why I feel very sympathetic towards characters that are treated differently just because of their features or personality. My heart goes out to all such suffering souls. You're not outcast you're unique♥️
What a fantastic story, holy crap. Didn’t know I was such a fan of the croc until this.
Killer Croc is so cool, dude. Definetly underrated.
Killer Croc: "I am a victim of prejudice!" 😢
Judge: "Dude, you literally eat human heads for fun and you didn't think twice before robbing the circus freaks that kindly accepted you as one of them. You're going to the f*cking gas chamber!"
Killer Croc: "F*ck..."
i mean "kindly"? i don't think abusing ppl disability to earn money is "kind"
Which comic was this
Gas chamber lmfao
Croc IS a victim of prejudice. He was savagely attacked and taunted as a child, repeatedly robbed of his humanity, blamed for a crime he didn’t commit, most accepted he ever was was being abused as a freakshow attraction where his boss treated him like some animal he was taught he was subhuman, and its a surprise when he acts it? Hed been trying to be nice his whole life but was never given a chance, thats why he’s the way he is.
Why does he eat people? Numerous reasons. He wont be accepted by people or fed, he considers other humans to be cruel and evil anyway, he considers himself a monster too so eating people is him giving up and simple accepting the titles given to him. It’s easier to be called a monster if you believe it too
@@tillburr6799Weirdly Naruto was being treated a smaller amount than Waylon
You’d think Bruce Wayne could find Waylon a job at Wayne Enterprises…
I remember back in 2011 when I watched a video about a guy making a video about this Killer Croc comic. I was surprised because before that I thought that Killer Croc was just a mindless monster. The same guy made about Doctor Octopus, his sad backstory and the period where he was the superior Spider-Man and once again I thought that Doctor Octopus was just a typical mad scientist before that.
Bro you gave me some mad love for killer croc that's dope thanks for making this video man
I love him and I'll protect him at any cost but, imagine just IMAGINE seeing killer crock from the Arkham games on the sewer by accident
2:00 Everyone asking 'What the Croc doing' but never 'How the Croc doing' 🐊
As soon as she called herself a “perfect” pet, I knew she was going to betray him.
I might not be a DC fan, but Killer Croc was always my favorite character of the franchise.
Man, I wanna give Waylon a hug.
.... Holy crap. I had no idea Killer Croc had that much depths to him. Thanks for sharing it.... that was beautiful in a tragic way.
This is honestly heartbreaking !
The best versions of batman is the one that empathizes with his villains and doesnt see them as enemies but as hurt ans mentally damaged/ill people, and he will always initially try to go out of his way to try to help/save them before he is forced take them down. Hell, even way into his career as batman, and has encountered some of his villians numerous times at this/that point, he still tries to help them and convince them to give up their villanous/evil ways and that he can help them. Batman just wants to help these people. He relates to them because just like them to some degree, he too was affected by an unfair and cruel world and because of that experience he too became badly mentally ill and wants to avoid more people being damaged like he was. In some ways, batman is still that little boy that unfortunately lost his parents, doing his best to avoid any other kid having to go through similar experiences to him or any one of his villians.
Thats also part of the reason as to why he doesn't want to kill them/his villians and why he sends them to a mental asylum and not a maximum security prison.
Something that has been forgotten since the DCAU, today writers are focused on making Batman as dark as possible with little to no emotions.
But Killer Croc having no F's to give eats his own hand
had me dying😂😂😂
James Gunn boutta have us crying in the theaters over killer croc
You know i always consider interesting the villains where the "society make me.like this" is true. Like gladiator and killer croc, they don't use them that way a lot because superheroes plots have some allergies against any gray area and system critics . But, men, how i enjoy when they do it.
"Why should i apolegize for what they made me?"
This sentence fits with killer croc alot ngl. He truly is a villain who deserves to be one
Ok I didn't expect that ending lmao
Being one thing on the outside that everyone sees and expects me to be while being someone else on the inside is... extremely relatable to me. If I could meet Waylon, I'd be friends with him in a heartbeat
I'm binging all your videos rn and I love them so much!! The narrating and the editing is so so good please keep it up :) !!