Can a Game Composer Figure SILKSONG Out from the Music Alone?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Hollow Knight Silksong is one of the most anticipated games currently. Can we guess anything about Silksong based on the music alone? This video is my attempt at that. We're gonna listen to Lace and Bonebottom, the two currently available music samples. One thing I can tell for sure, the SIlksong OST will be great.
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Hey I'm gonna stream some Hollow Knight tomorrow. Are you caught up with the VODs? -> th-cam.com/video/CX7E1bJt7jw/w-d-xo.html
More Hollow knight tomorrow?! Aw hell yeah!
I just watched the last one, you found Dream Nail earlier than most people do! It's fun to see how differently people play the game from each other.
Hey, Davi, I have a question, what hour is this stream gonna be in which time zone, because It's like 1 AM now in my country.
Great analysis as always! I found really interesting how you described the Bonebottom theme as comfy, since my first impression was that it's kinda melancholic/depressing. Also, fun fact about the Silksong OST: thanks to the success of the first game, Christopher Larkin is being able to compose with real instruments this time around, where as the Hollow Knight OST was composed using mostly (if not entirely) synthetic instruments.
Hey, Davi! I was wondering- Is English your first language? You seem to have a bit of an accent, it sounds like how I talk and how the people around me talk in English, and we're not original speakers so we have accents. Do you happen to be Brazilian or Portuguese?
You better be careful when doing this. Last time someone analyzed Silksong, we (the Hollow Knight community) sacrificed them to TeamCherry. I really like how Hollow Knight is becoming more popular now though!
yes
I am imagining him reading this comment and going 'what'
ah, the mossbag saga
@ege kahraman Oh my god, you're right. This is probably very confusing to anyone not in the community. Now watch as I refuse to elaborate on what I mean.
Please elaborate 😭
Davi was gonna have a heart attack if Lace was 10 seconds longer.
LMAO
The TENSION 😬 IT'S TOO MUCH 😰
true
The more I wait for silksong, the more I’m gonna believe that cornifer will be the final boss
I hope not because I could never hurt Cornifer. Literally and figuratively.
Imagine hearing Cornifer humming in the distance as you approach the final boss room
Typical mosquito behavior
Yeah, I often wonder how the fuck does Cornifer get into the places he gets to. Deepnest? Did he go through the entire place without a nail? How the fuck did he get out? How the fuck did he get through a void wall? How did he climb up to howling cliffs?
@@seabass3818 Sans moment...
To me, bonebottom very much sounds like "something happened here, and I'm not sure I want to figure out what" like, it sounds both mysterious and tragic.
In addition to what you said, for me it also feels like this thing happened a fairly long time ago, and the town just hasn't recovered.
It's not a new tragedy, it's something that's settled over the town like a layer of dust.
Feels to me like the town wants you to fix the tragedy
I got this exact feeling when i discovered the Soul Sanctum... but bonebottom take that to a whole different level.
Kind of reminds me of the resting grounds theme. I don't think it has any relation to the resting grounds just an observation.
It reminds me of dirtmouth, honestly.
silksong has an actual physical orchestra playing most of its tracks, where as hollowknight was all digital. that's why these sound so much more fluid
Well, a string quartet, but you're on the right track.
@@joshuagleeson4776 what's a string quartet ?
@@Dark_Peace a musical ensemble consisting of two violins, a viola, and a cello. Larkin recorded live performances from a real string quartet for his music in Silksong.
@@joshuagleeson4776 thx
@@joshuagleeson4776 thanks
One thing I love that Ive seen as a comment on one of the OST's is this: Hallownest is a dead and grieving kingdom, therefore its music is far more dead and lifeless. Pharloom, on the other hand is a dying and cornered animal; Still alive, but far more angry and active.
Also why most of the "alive" songs play when you're fighting someone alive like dung defender, hive knight, radiance, Grimm, etc. The infected or ghost bosses usually have dry songs
I really think Silksong will have one of the best OST of all time. Hollow Knight had an amazing soundtrack and Christopher Larkin had a much smaller budget. Now he has the budget to actually get assemblies of professional musicians performing his tracks. Larkin is an amazing composer and I'm so excited for the Silksong soundtrack.
Larkin is ong a modern day classical artist. If his music was released 100 years ago he'd be up there with Beethoven, Mozart and bloody DeBussy.
6:24 the power of having an actual orchestra
String quartet*
@@joshuagleeson4776 u kinda ☝️🤓
@@neithqo7509 not really. _espeeecially_ when it literally says it in the description of the sample video
@@taffles7498 it's not even correct tho, LACE is performed by a quartet but you can clearly hear more people performing Bonebottom. i mean, it has a piano lol
@@R3m1ly yea but that doesnt make it an orchestra. the piano and harp is digital so the description only notes the live performers
Silksong hysteria has never been higher!! I’ll be tuning into the stream tomorrow
Unus Annus, Memento Mori.
Ok.
We sacrifice the lore guy for a trailer, we try to sacrifice the gameplay guy for the game but he is too skilled, so what if we sacrifice the music guy for the soundtrack?
Fire borne in the distance:
Skill issue
Did you notice that ALL the instruments in Lace were strings? Not a single percussion, or any other kind
It works really well, since Hornet uses a needle and *thread* as her weapon of choice
There actually weren't any non-string instruments in Bonebottom either.
@@avelvett a piano is a sort of percussion/string hybrid. Their sounds are produced by hammers striking a string when keys are pressed. So while they're not exactly what comes to mind when thinking of traditional string instruments, a non-digital piano does fit under the edge of the umbrella.
@@avelvett piano is the weirdest instrument but one of the best
The music in Hollow Knight had an immense focus on the 9th which I'd say has a similar function to the major 7th in that they both sound melancholic, yet I would personally say that the 9th sounds a lot more "empty" and "hollow" (badum-dis) than the major 7th which I would describe as "ethereal" and "bittersweet". Really excited for this OST, I have plans to make videos about Silksong as well at one point haha.
Wow it's really cool to see you in the comment section of a Davi video! I love your score on Revita!
Lace v Hornet is literally a STRING battle, so naturally a string quartet is fitting.
Hollow Knight truly deserves the attention it has garnered. And, Davi... You're almost always scary accurate in your analysis of a story through its music. I understand that it's a composer's job to convey emotion and story through their works, but it's still an amazing thing to see someone piecing together a story just from the score of a game.
Yeah but, as you yourself imply, that kind of analysis is a two way street. It takes someone who really knows how to draw the meaning out of music, and a track that really conveys it.
@GPantazis when he was reviewing 'mantis lords' he managed to tell exactly what the song was supposed to tell, which I found incredible. It's a really good example of how a song was created and analyzed perfectly on both ends
I agree that Bonebottom is probably a town. I imagine it being Silksong's Dirtmouth because of the names and how the song doesn't really sound like it plays when you are fighting or exploring.
A town at the "bottom" of a mostly vertical map space?
@@Orobolus_Outline well, you do start from the bottom, so I suppose it's a very early game town, just like Dirtmouth.
@@Orobolus_Outline yes
Seeing how much of silksong is an inverse of hollow knight. Bone bottom is most likely to be the first town and one of the first areas in the game. As the name implies it’s at the bottom of pharloom, it’s an inverse of dirtmouth which is at the very top of hallownest.
The description of the game said something about reaching the peak right?
Lace gives me the impression that she (the boss) is having fun while we (the players and Hornet) are the violent frustrated ones who kinda wanna stab Lace in the face but also not really because we're, rather reluctantly, also having fun
I dont think that Hornet is the frustrated one here. We see Hornet laugh or giggle while fighting in the first boss sometimes, which Shows that shes joyful in combat. We also saw a clip and had a demo of lace and she also giggled during the fight, when attacking etc. Which means both Hornet and lace have similar characteristics. Since there is a Lot of connections between them already, i think lace is going to be the Hornet of silksong: Follows you around saves you, fights you, etc. In the beginning of the trailer, before Hornet frees itsself, a lumafly lands ontop of her cage. In the end, the lumafly sets hornet free and since lace is knowing to have some sort of connection to lumaflies, it couldve been her who freed hornet. Also kinda shows what kind of relationship they will have
@@v2jo_reThat might be the effect of the effort it takes to dodge our attacks, as she only laughs when she dodges and blocks (Sentinel). Lace is already a Hornet replacement when it comes to gameplay.
You don't understand how happy I am that you have done this
The reason for the fluid strings that weren't present in Hollow Knight is for Silksong, Larkin is hiring a couple orchestra members for live performances instead of everything being digital.
You were pretty spot on with Bonebottom!
Bonebottom is the song that plays in the starting town of silksong.
In a lot of metroidvanias, especially in Hollow knight, there's an area where your character can rest and stock up. This is usually a starting area that your character finds before heading towards the areas where all the bosses are. In the first game, Dirtmouth was the first town. Team cherry also decides to make both towns to be fading and abandoned, but warm and welcome to newcomers. It's amazing how you could figure all of that out in the song alone!
How do you know that though? Is Silksong even out yet?
@@alexandertownsend3291 no but I think I read this from an AMA Team cherry held on reddit.
Thee end of Bonebottom did give me Majula vibes.
FINALLY someone reacting to Lace. It’s one of my favorite songs in a video game.
People were too scared that they would end up like mossbag.
@@sebastianzarek7056 or they had already been sacrificed
at 8:06 the song was literally like "shut up and listen" lol
😭
Christopher Larkin is an excellent composer. I can't wait for silk song to come out not only because the game itself looks fantastic but because we're going to get another fantastic soundtrack by Larkin.
Probably one of the coolest parts of Lace is that it is played on nothing but strings. I'm curious what that implies.
Considering the likely themes of the game, one could say Lace is a silk song.
*Escapes while being booed off the stage*
Well I mean the game is called...
SILKSONG
@@n00bowser No, no, I'll allow it, you did the legwork.
String like silk? And also as the community is guessing, lace could have a link with hornet, hornet fights with a string (made of silk???) and needle so that’s also another potential part.
@@kingmaple9252 plus, they both use needle-like weapons
So glad you’re doing this! Silksong will come out tomorrow, for sure…
Tomorrow never ends
Tomorrow is a very subjective word.
looks like it did not in fact come out tomorrow
@@Semispace 💀
TOMORROW FOR SURE TOMORROW FOR SURE TOMORROW FOR SURE TOMORROW FOR SURE
Bonebottom drives me mad how beautiful and emotional it sounds, it blew me away the minute it got released in 2019 and I'm still in love with it now
I love your type of vids on the game songs/music reactions. The way you understand music and the cords and notes. You have been teaching me to do the same. To just listen and hear what the composer is trying to convey. I have watched serval types of content creators with a similar theme. And I prefer how you not only teach what you are talking about but you are also able to figure out what is going on in the game. In other words, You Rock ✌🏼😀
So far silksong seems to be a lot less dark than the main game, the Knight's journey was through ruins of a kingdom, sad lonely and dark
But silksong's land, pharloom is actually a lively kingdom with lots of bugs living their lives, and it's just a lot more lively and bright
I usually gravitate toward the more atmospheric tracks, but "Lace" is phenomenal.
One other thing, the music from the trailer has some strong references to the Dies Irae in it, and the fact that the bass progression for Bonebottom is pretty close to it leads me to believe that there will be several references in the game. Something to keep in mind for trying to analyze the story or world before it releases!
4:05 this specific chord, or mb the chords that come after, reminded me so much of studio ghibli ost. For example, if you listen to the music from castle in the sky (if i remember correctly), this chord was used pretty often, so when i heard this specific part in Bonebottom, it immediately brought me back because of how nostalgic and magical it sounded. It makes me love this soundtrack even more! ❤️
Bonebottom is one of my favorite Hallow Knight songs despite it being from Silksong. Don't know why I didn't think about it being music for a town but I can defiantly see that. Can't wait to hear more of the music in this game.
“Hallow Knight” is a different game
@@drdca8263 I was more talking about the overall franchise. I am aware that "Silksong" and "Hollow Knight" are two different games if that is what you're saying.
@@colineyre8061 No, I was making a joke because you said “Hallow Knight” instead of “Hollow Knight”.
“Hallow Knight” is a different game, which was made for a game jam.
@@drdca8263 lol, I didn't notice that, my bad spelling never fails.
lace's song sounds like a government coup
I feel like Lace is gonna be a very similar character as Hornet in the first game. A rival that you fight multiple times.
However (this might be a leap) the music makes me feel like she’s fighting for less noble and more personal reasons. Like she’s trying to prove she’s better than you.
Let’s see if i’m right next year 😅
Honestly, your bonebottom analysis was like, almost entirely spot on.
From what we know, Bonebottom is the first main town you'll explore in the game, and it's the game's equivilent to Dirtmouth, so you'll spend quite a bit of time in it, and it simultaniously seems like a very desolate and dark place, but also homely, it will essentially become like a second home for the player, and you'll be able to help out Bonebottom's inhabitants and watch the town flourish more with your help.
None of this is concrete, I'm only assuming, but that's just what I honestly think. Nice analysis as always Davi!
hahaha funny how he really reacts to a game that only exists in legends
Every time I watch your videos, I'm impressed with how easily you reproduce the chords. Parabens pelo vídeo, Davi. Abraços do Brasil.
"End! Please end!!" LOL
interesting takes on the songs. the songs are so good and i am excited to see how they are used in the game
I think that Silksong OST will be more string-based, given the main character's connection to silk (heck, it's even in the name), so I expect more string quartet appearances this time. Also, In Hollow Knight, Hornet's theme was essentially purely strings and piano, so that would also make sense here.
I'm so glad you are doing music for this game. Silksong has been my favourite game since it came out in 2123!!! ❤️
FINALLY someone does a reaction to Silksong music! Been waiting years for a video like this!
I love how Hollow Knight is both sad, yet beautiful and elegant, with some aspects of playful and almost flighty aspects.
Quick reminder that this time Cristopher Larkin will have an entire orchestra for his music, can’t wait to hear the results
The first song sounds a bit like a menu song idk, the first part is a bit like the menu song in hollow knight
This game is gonna be fantastic. Can't wait to see your thoughts on the tracks as we work our way through the new setting!
As someone who had been listening obsessively to both Hornet and Lace theme I feel obligated to point out that one part of Lace’s theme(the part he said is interesting) sounds very similar to Hornet’s which but not entirely the same
after months you’re finally doing it! Thanks for accepting the idea
Nice one. The Second one is basically confirmed to be a boss track because of the name. You probably got the first one right too and I also think is going to be a town. It gives me a sadness/melancholy in the first part, but It changes into what I feel like hope at the end
I got a totally different vibe. I got a sad morbid funeral-esque vibe from it. I can see Davi's point though.
Yes! I was looking forward to this one. I think the main ones you have left are Pure Vessel and Soul Sanctum
I love the videos that you're making and how you're making the musical terms more understandable for those who are new to theory! Although, I think it would be helpful if you put the theory terms either in parentheses or in the description (e.g. happy chord = major) that way those of us who want to try our hands at composing know what to look up. Amazing work that you're doing, and I always look forward to your uploads!
I'm so glad you got around to listening to lace! I had already had a soft spot for it for a while but have been obsessed since I managed to organize a chamber group in my high school for it as well as some other tracks. Hope to see more reactions when the game is actually out
To me Bonebottom sounds as paying a visit to a family village, which fell into ruin or where all of our close ones already passed away
actually the 1,4435,386357,4428 pixel in the far left reveals silksongs release date by the color corisponding to the months colors in the year
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The way the sounds layers up gradually in Bonebottom theme made me theorize that it might be the nexus town and the theme gradually become more complex as we gathered the townspeople
To me Bonebottom (didn't even know the name of it at first), personally gave a memory type vibe, like you visited the place with your family once but now you're returning alone and while looking at certain places, they remind you of the good times you had. Might even be the Dirtmouth of Silk Song.
Lace is almost definitely a boss music track, maybe the first boss like False Knight but I also feel a bit of anguish like Hornet doesn't want to have to fight this "boss". Maybe something similar to the Corruption or the prequel to it maybe even just "please don't make me do this"
This channel is great, and i'm happy to see videos about Hollow knight because Chris Larkin's tracks are great and man, they really have a lot of feelings in them
It's really fun for you to do this with an unreleased game, where we're also in the dark about the track.
The bone bottom theme reminds me of the city of tears in hollow knight, I’m not a composer or anything but it sounds homely but also mysterious in a way it’ll suggest exploration in a safer area
this video is a good sign that we're going insane
Can’t explain it but in Lace’s theme it sounded like there was some kind of rivalry. Like two forces trying to overcome each other.
You should do Zoteboat music next, I think they shadow dropped the whole album on MySpace
It sounds more like the main menu theme
Can you listen to the song "Spider Dance" from Undertale? It's my favorite song in the game and I'd think you'd really like it! :D
The composer managed to get people playing those instruments for these pieces.
There's good abd bad news. The bad news is silksong got delayed.
The good news, we got the ingo from team cherry confirming it is real
At 4:10 that isn't really a happy chord is it? You play a major chord a few seconds later, but shouldn't it actually an f-minor chord with an added minor second?
I'm extremally excited for silksong, having another memorable adventure is gonna be awesome! 😄 I have no idea whether the sequel will surpass the original game but from what we have seen it looks very promising. And even if not, we still have a new unique world to explore, full of new challenges, characters, a new story and great music 😊
Technically, we also heard 2 songs that appeared in the trailers but we don't have a separate versions of them ( without the sounds, interuptions etc ). I especially love the second, more recent one: it's very energetic and fast-paced. It might belong to a boss or a chase sequence
Last time someone went guessing silksong the community sacrificed him
I was patiently waiting for this video because i knew Davi would eventually make it. And i was so excited when Davi said on the last stream he is working on the Silksong ost samples.
Thank you so much for your work!
Bonebottom actually kinda sounds like a title screen theme
Yow, can't beleive I'm in the first people to comment !!! Love your work Davi ! Silksong is the game I'm expecting the most, definitly going to precommand it :)
botw i love your youtube vids a lot but i think it woud be better to do the break down after reacting.
Bone bottom sounds like a journey or quest that was failed. Like hornet was attempting to do something but was cast down from achieving her goal.
Lace is one of my favorites from Hollow Knight
I just realized how insane the bosses in Silksong look.
silksong will release the 15th......surely
Lace sounds like a classic Grieg piece for string quartet. Maybe some inspiration?
will u ever react to Divinity Original Sin 2 Sountracks?
Could you do an analysis on the Burnt Ivory King OST from Dark Souls 2?
You should definitely check out the bug fables OST
BoneBottom sounds like if Journey and Silent hill made a song together
Reacting to the Silksong trailer music could be cool too
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this for so long.
Thanks so much Davi for your videos as always! I completely fell in love with Bonebottom from the first moment I heard it, and it was great to hear your musical analysis on it! It's interesting to hear that there's actually quite a bit of positivity in it, since I felt that a lot of it felt quite tragic (albeit beautiful). I wonder if that might translate into anything in the game for Bonebottom, which I believe is, in fact, a town in Silksong.
Bonebottom sounds sad and morbid to me. It sounds like something that would be played at a funeral.
You using actual terminology is bringing me back to my music theory class 😅
Ohh I suggested you do this! Nice!
Part of Lace theme sounds almost barroque, even Vivaldi-ish with all those fast strings just like in his Summer
this song makes me wanna sit on the roof and cry while watching the sun rise
The first time I heard this song was from a cover by FalKKonE and “playful and not too threatening” was not the way to describe that cover
Something I think is fascinating about the Silk track that Davi didn't mention is that the time signature switches between 5/4 and 3/4. While 3/4 is common enough in most music the average person would be familiar with, 5/4 is significantly less so, and is much more likely to make you the player feel off-rhythm and off-balance. The instrumentation being all strings (a string quintet if my ears don't deceive me) also gives the piece a feeling of elegance and grace like a ballroom dance.
This is just going to be amazing
End 😨Please end 😫😭
Lace gives me the impression that you are fighting a rival because they challenged you, not fighting some evildoer that's getting in your way.
I'd love to see a video about OneShot's themes. It's got some beautiful melodies reflecting the landscape that you explore in the game. Very retro.
Did you react to the „Gods and nightmare-OST“ of Hollowknight?
It’s great!
But now I will watch the video
Bonebottom sounds like something you would hear in a cutscene
Hey Davi, how bout something wild?
Game: The Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil.
Release Date: August 11, 2002.
Song 1: Remilia Scarlet's theme - Septette for the Dead Princess.
Character note: There is a reason she's called "the Scarlet Devil".
Song 2: Flandre Scarlet's theme - U.N.Owen was Her?
Note: Flandre is completely insane and her theme is sometimes called "Death Waltz".
Davi, you should hear from Path of Exile! Try Sirus the Awakener's theme or Searing Exarch's theme. I swear you will have a blast!