The rivian r1t is 7100-7200#+ in a smaller vehicle size with a much smaller battery pack. I bet the max pack rivian coming in 2023 with a supposed 400 miles of range and a 180+kwh pack. Will easily weigh 7800#+ if not more. 🤔
Definitely electric public transport, and least not forget heavy quadricycles. It helps to understand how the differences in markets are utterly arbitrary. Hence why the US has no affordable and light trucks (chicken tax), or why availability of EVs were stricken off in the 2000s
@@johnodonoghue651 if you are scared of that then the urban environment is not planned very good. Netherlands is a good example of how a urban environment can be a very good place to ride a bicycle.
@@johnodonoghue651 and yes i ride bicycle in an urban environment even in winter and it's perfectly fine because we have separeted bicycle lanes and also we have reasonably good traffic calming(this is part of good urban planning. I didn't just make up words.)
I've thought about weighty ev vehicles also. More power and (fuel) required and maintenance on suspension and brakes. Tires, and infrastructure wear on roadways and bridges. Can you see an extra 5000 + tons on an older suspension bridge during traffic rush hours and traffic jams?.
An example of the differences in these electric vehicles is evident in Tesla Model 3, weighing around 1,672kg, while the Ford Cortina Mark 1 weighed a mere 768kg. Another instance is the Audi E-Tron, another electric vehicle weighing 2,351kg in contrast to the 770kg Vauxhall Viva. Even the Nissan Leaf, a popular electric car, weighs approximately 1,580kg. Heavy pigs EV's are.
Loving my little Honda cb125, weight of 150 kg, get 500 km from 13 litres @ about 5 cents per km. Cheap rego, carburettor so easy fix when it breaks down , no computer to worry about. I save big jobs and hire ute for the day.
After seeing a lot of new channels starting to review car tech, I find they lack experience and drive time with most of the cars on the road. None of them come close to the knowledge, experience, and personality that Cooley always brings.
Two extra notes: I was surprised you didn’t mention the flaw with a semi. An articulated truck and a non-articulated truck both have maximum weights that take into account the weight of both the tractor and trailer. If your rig weighs more because of batteries, then you won’t be able to carry as much cargo. EVs wear out roads over twice as fast. So the carbon emissions needs to be calculated for that. And I bet you, it won’t be pretty.
The Tesla Model 3 is significantly lighter than the Ford F-150 the most popular vehicle in America. Tesla Model 3: Typically weighs around 4,000 pounds (1,814 kg). Ford F-150: Can weigh anywhere from 4,500 to 7,000 pounds (2,041 to 3,175 kg) depending on configuration (cab size, engine, options).
Not to mention the additional weight in parking garages. We see parking garages occasionally pancaking now, I wouldn't want to be on the bottom floor when it's all ev's. The fire will burn for days. But they tell me it'll never happen...so I'm cool.
Well said, plus collisions with commercial use vehicle's. Cause most of the deaths and severe injuries otr. And trucks are about 2% of the total otr vehicle fleet but they contribute over 25% of all the pollution from the transportation sector. 😶
There are light cars and heavy cars. If you compare heavy EVs to light ICE cars, you can easily make EVs sound heavier. Here are some ICE SUVs and how much heavier they are than Tesla's SUV - the Model Y (which is the best selling vehicle in the world, so not some obscure, special-case EV): Hummer H1: 1,707kg heavier Jeep Grand Wagoneer: 1001kg heavier Chevy Suburban: 948kg heavier Lincoln Navigator: 913kg heavier Toyota Seuoia: 900kg heavier Nissan Armada: 856kg heavier Infinity QX80: 778kg heavier GMC Yukon XL: 745kg heavier Cadillac Escalade: 732kg heavier Ford Expedition Max: 719kg heavier Chevy Tahoe: 658kg heavier Lexus GX: 661kg heavier BMW X7: 660kg heavier Mercedes GL-550: 621kg heavier Range Rover: 545kg heavier Lexus RX: 241kg heavier Lexus TX: 209kg heavier Jeep Grand Cherokee: 188kg heavier The weight affects efficiency, which in turn affect the cost for the amount of range (both purchase price, because you need more batteries to go that distance, and the cost and time to charge per mile). So EVs are very incentivized to be as light as possible. You should definitely look at how much range you get for the price you're paying for the EV, as well as the charging speed. That's one of the many reasons Tesla's are so popular - you get the most range and fastest charging speeds for the lowest purchase price. They also happen to be some of the lightest EVs on the market. Coincidence? No.
Brian, great info as always. I'd like to point out one thing in the favor of EVs as an owner of one (lightweight M3 in relative terms of course :)). The energy efficiency is bar none in comparison to ICE...That's that. So I guess as with everything in life, you just have to pick your poison carefully. Waste as heat or extra load :). Really good seeing you as always! The HUMMER is just an exercise in opulence...almost like they've tried making it as obnoxious as the fossil edition. Also consider the weight of the fuel freight being pulled around daily to supply the gas stations in the name of ICE. Cheers!
Excellent video and highlighting of factual information. Consumers need to understand all data when making the choices between EV and combustion. Outside of urban areas combustion has the edge.
It's funny he mentions road wear. A semi truck causes 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations? An EV. For every 16 ICE vehicles replaced with an EV you take one tanker truck off the road. So EVs are way less damaging to road surfaces simply due to the fact it removes the need for 80,000 lb tanker trucks to haul fuel around. There are other incidentals that EVs reduce. Think about the reduction in shipping due to less parts suppliers shipping materials and parts around. Think of all the parts stores that will greatly reduce inventory as ICE fades away. All these things will reduce the need for trucking and fuel for trucking.
It would be interesting to see how the federal government would eventually tax electric vehicles during registration to offset road work based on odometer readings for succeeding renewals.
I must respectfully disagree. This should never become ICE vs EVs. ALL vehicles should be taxed by weight. There's no way Escalade, F350, Expedition...on and on are lighter than Standard Range model 3 at ~3500 lbs. Weight should determine the cost, not drivetrain.
There is another environmental cost of the weight and larger heavier tires. Those tires are gonna wear faster and those wear products, especially the compounds that are added to our tires are gonna end up in our water and soil in greater quantity than a conventional vehicle. Those wear products can be nasty. Now you also have more tire to get rid of at end of life.
Most of the road tax problem would be solved by taxing major corporations, who typically run large cargo vehicles down those same roads, at a rate that would be reflective of their road use and profits.
Corporations do pay road taxes, the same way you do, through fuel usage. And they use more fuel than anyone else, so they are paying a larger share. It's EV who need to step up and pay their share.
@@AkioWasRight it won’t actually generate enough funds to fix roads, or incentive alternative modes of transportation. an ev road tax is basically a meaningless virtue signal. tax trucks and you actually get enough funds to maintain roads, and large companies move to local freight to reduce costs.
@@lshanny What a load of nonsense. Weight and usage is weight and usage. The heavier your cars is, and the more you use your car, the more you should pay. It's that simple. Fund your own alternative modes of transportation and stop expecting free roads.
I wonder if the Beatles were thinking about EVs when they sang Boy, you're gonna carry that weight, carry that weight A long time.... Battery powered EVs are a silly idea. Trolley buses and hybrids are smarter till they can safely store a KWh of power in 100gms for a BEV. Probably impossible where the energy release is not sharply exothermic or enzymatic.
So pretty much every EV car weighs less than America's best selling vehicle, the F150 ? How come nobody cares what Pickups and SUVs weigh? An Escalade weighs 6,000lbs as does the F150. Let's be honest about the weight problem. Americans have a love affair with big heavy Trucks and SUVs.
Thank you for bringing this up, my subdivision is having it's road redone and we had a meeting with the road commission about it and someone asked why one entrance was really bad and another not so much and the road commission engineer said it could be something as simple as the garbage trucks coming in light at one end and leaving heavy at the other over the years contributing to that. That's when I knew EVs and how heavy they are were bad news for our roads.
Okay, you should also consider that not all EVs are Hummer. My model 3 LR weighs 4,065 lbs but something like Escalade which is very popular size of a vehicle (not make/model, don't get me wrong) weighs 5553 lbs. So, please, don't make it an anti EV campaign. There's also too many benefits to EVs. Thanks for sharing your insight.
@@LuckTR LOL you are comparing a massive SUV to a petite sedan (a product category that is dying). Americans prefer SUVs (look at sales trends over the last 10 years) - so his point still stands the EV SUVs have a huge weight issue. Yes, a sedan or hatchback EV isn't as heavy but they are still pigs given their form factor. Personally I think the perfect combo is a small EV hatchback from urban commuting and an ICE SUV for weekend fun and family hauling. EV pickups and SUVs just don't make sense until battery tech improves.
@@Monkeyseemonkey79 ok, I'll bite. In terms of the "entrance road damage" your point is as moot as mine. We simply don't have the data on EVs vs ICE in that location. In general terms, you don't make any sense as no one's arguing the consumer choices. You cannot blanket all EVs as responsible for road damage if the MAJORITY or the vehicles on the road are inherently heavy ICE SUVs. Not mentioning the freight. Btw, how about we just talk without demeaning LOL... you don't know me and I don't know you. How about a sense of courtesy? Cheers
@@LuckTR I think you are replying to the wrong person. I never mentioned anything about 'entrance road damage" and have no idea what you are talking about.
This same argument was made when the market started massively shifting to SUVs and crossovers instead of sedans. Literally no one cared then and no one will care when they're choosing to buy an EV (or it might be more accurate to say it's a wash, since a very small number of people will see it as a con but an equal or greater number will see it as a pro - it means their EV is safer to be in).
Imagine eletric suvs .... thats a huge infrastructure cost. The wear is significantly nonlinear. Look up the road wear for a Hummer vs Honda Civic. Now multiple it by 10s of millions cars.
@@axe863 a hummer? Seriously? You chose the heaviest EV by far that is barely selling and want to compare that to a Civic, a completely different class of vehicle? That's extremely disingenuous of you. Why not compare the #1 selling EV - a Model Y (1,847 - 1,860kg), to a popular gas SUV like the Grand Cherokee (1,980 - 2,504kg)? Or the best selling EV sedan - the Model 3 (1,765 - 1,851kg) to gas cars of similar price, interior volume and performance like a BMW M3 (1,742 - 1,810kg) or Mercedes C-class (1,730 - 1,840kg)? When you make actual, fair comparisons there's basically no weight difference.
@@axe863 OK, but as I just showed, a Model Y is lighter than a Grand Cherokee. An Escalade is 1000 kilos heavier than a Model Y. An ICE Hummer H1 is twice the weight of a Model Y. Yet how often do you ever see anyone talking about these vehicles tearing up roads and requiring bridges to be upgraded etc? Never, right? This is exclusively used as an argument against EVs and, as you can see from the numbers, it just doesn't hold up to a couple minutes of fact checking on Google.
@@axe863 OK, but as I just showed, a Model Y is lighter than a Grand Cherokee. An Escalade is 1000 kilos heavier than a Model Y. An ICE Hummer H1 is twice the weight of a Model Y. Yet how often do you ever see anyone talking about these vehicles tearing up roads and requiring bridges to be upgraded etc? Never, right? This is exclusively used as an argument against EVs and, as you can see from the numbers, it just doesn't hold up to a couple minutes of fact checking on Google.
What state is that? Also, upfront taxes aren't enough to makeup for the higher tax demands. A 4,500lb pickup truck is taxed more because it pays taxes on fuel usage. In a state like California, that's over $1,500 annually for the average truck owner, and that doesn't include annual registration fees. Meanwhile, a 5,000lb Tesla Model S owner only pays an annual registration.
It's funny he mentions road wear. A semi truck causes 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations? An EV. For every 16 ICE vehicles replaced with an EV you take one tanker truck off the road. So EVs are way less damaging to road surfaces simply due to the fact it removes the need for 80,000 lb tanker trucks to haul fuel around. There are other incidentals that EVs reduce. Think about the reduction in shipping due to less parts suppliers shipping materials and parts around. Think of all the parts stores that will greatly reduce inventory as ICE fades away. All these things will reduce the need for trucking and fuel for trucking.
Fuel taxes going to road repairs / improvements, that number is generally laughable. I'd like to see asphalt roads banned. If you want to "save the roads" close your Amazon account.
I see Cooley i click, no matter what the video is about. I never thought about the lack of taxes (from gasoline purchase) will no longer go to roadwork/infrastructure work. I suppose the solution will be for the government to slap on an annual tax on your license, if you own an EV.
In Georgia, EV owners pay about $200/year more to register their cars. In my case, this "replacement" for lost gas taxes is actually about $60 more than I would have paid in gas taxes when I drove a Mazda3 12,000 miles per year.
Commercial trucks are a necessity, unlike your Model X. What's more, your Model X weighs more than an F-150 pickup truck, so you're shifting from one big problem to an even bigger one.
@@AkioWasRight why should private citizen bear the burden of road maintenance costs when corporations benefit the most from their existence and do the most damage by far? there are alternatives to truck freight, look at Switzerland.
@@lshanny Corporations also bear the burden. Don't talk with half truths. The vast majority of road funding comes from commercial trucking, not just private Joe in his commuter Honda.
@@lshanny If trucking companies are committing murder, then someone in a 5,200lb EV is committing mass murder, because they pay less than guy in the 2,500lb Honda Civic
Even shorter range EVs are heavy. The Nissan Leaf, for example, is about the size of a Nissan Versa, their smallest car, but it weighs as much as a Nissan Maxima, their biggest car, even though it only has about 150 miles of range.
That's what happens when people who never drove an EV say they want 400 mile range minimum. And the marketers respond. Hyundai Ioniq from 2017 is a model example for a light, efficient, long legged and fast charging EV The BMW i3's CFRP construction is a model for lightweight and sustainable manufacturing
It's funny you mention road wear. A semi truck cause 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations? An EV. For every 16 ICE vehicles replaced with EVs, you take one tanker truck off the road. So even though EVs are heavier.... they are way less damaging to road surfaces simply due to the fact it removes the need for 80,000 lb tanker trucks to haul fuel around. Despite their lower weight, ICE vehicles are essentially 600 times more damaging than an EV to road surfaces because their fuel isn't hauled by a tanker truck.
Gas tax for passenger vehicles should never have been levied in the first place. It's a regressive tax that passes the tax burden to consumer rather than corporations who are actually tearing up the roads. That said, we should have some form of tax since we all benefit from roads even if we don't drive. Gas tax was and has always been regressive slight-of-hand tax policy though.
Actually, one of the reason why we got an ev is bc they’re heavier. My husband likes smaller cars, but I never felt safe driving one surrounded by huge, heavy SUV’s. Now with our polestar, at least it’s comparable in weight to a midsize suv.
If vehicle weight is the primary cause of road damage then vehicles should be taxed on a combination of weight and miles driven. Then the heaviest vehicles that travel the most miles will pay the most tax.
Under-engineered EVs are heavy. Tesla seems to be able to make the lightest EVs and are on par with the weight of PHEV of their size class. Once batteries get better integrated into the car structure (i.e. Texas Model Y) they may start getting lighter than ICE cars.
Yup despite what this knuckle head claimed? If you lookup the weights for the tesla model 3 and bmw 3 series? Which btw the bmw 3 series is the most commonly traded in car on a m3 tesla. Anyway a quick search showed me the lightest tesla m3 is within 80# of the lightest bmw 3 series. And the heaviest version of either is within 100# of each other. Wow what a shocking difference that is. 😶 Per a google search for 2022 BMW 3 series weights. The bmwusa website lists 3571#-4250# Per the tesla website search for 2022 model 3 weights it's 3648#-4200# 🤔 The Ford lightning is another example. The base lightning is an awd dual motor super cab truck weighs about 6200#. Compare it to the heaviest loaded up ice trim f-150 with a full load of fuel. And they are within 350-400# of each either. It's not nothing for sure, but on a truck which weighs 5600+# when it's empty? 400# is like bringing 2 average helpers with ya on a project or beer run. 😀
@@4literv6 You're wrong. A Model 3 is several hundred pounds heavier, trim for trim. What's more, the Model 3 has significantly less range than any comparable 3 series, so even the heaviest Model 3 with the biggest battery is not comparable. You are simply making up a false comparison to come to a false conclusion.
I see your point in terms of weight, but it's hard to agree such difference would make ICE superior. One of many things that works for EVs in this case is the powertrain. It's lightyears ahead in terms of efficiency and the fuel also comes right to your garage in powerlines...so no gasoline freight weighing on the roads daily which is undeniably worse for the tarmac than model 3. Finally, as an ICE owner you got to pick up the fuel at the station, and if you start factoring in further variables in terms of weight affecting quality of roads, we might end up in a stale mate ;). Appreciate your insight. Thanks!
@@shiakas You're posting false numbers, just like the other guy. What's more, you're comparing apples to oranges. BMW M340i xDrive Sedan: 3,968 lbs and 499.20 miles of Range. Model 3 Long Range AWD: 4,250 lbs and 358.00 miles of range. That is according to Edmunds. Also, you posted the PLUG-IN version of the 3 Series, which is the heaviest version of the car. But even then, it's still lighter. You had to ELECTRIFY an ICE, which only proves the point that electrification is extremely heavy. Another thing, I don't really take any comparison to the Model 3 seriously, as it doesn't have comparable range. Unlike an ICE car, range is achieved through significant weight increases, because of the lack of power density. If the battery/range of that car were comparable, it likely would be north of a 5,000 lbs, which would just be ridiculously heavy. If that's not bad enough, Tesla cuts corners everywhere in that car to save weight and money, and to maximize range. It doesn't even have dedicated buttons to control basic features, or even a dedicated instrument cluster. That's how desperate they were to reduce weight. Still, it's heavier than the closest ICE competitor by several hundred pounds. That just proves how much weight batteries are contributing.
i don't see this being a big problem. they are heavy but on the same street you have big trucks going down. which are completely much heavier. yes don't forget all the big trucks. ie ups, trash, construction vehicles etc. yes they need to pay there fair share some how but lets not get crazy like some states have already done.
I talked to the manager of dekalb solid waste services and he claimed they have to run their truck's overloaded every single trash pickup day. No choice if they want to get the trash done, and all those noisy smelly belching diesels do is tear up the roads at 26,000+# Now tell me a 5,000# ev which is not stopping and starting every 50-100' is somehow doing equievelant damage to the road. 😂
I use to like you. Sure electric cars are heavy than a comparable size gasoline car, but they have so many other advantages over gasoline cars that more than make up for it. Why aren't you talking about that?
Only the wealthy can afford them and as the manufacturers shift to more and more EVs there will be less affordable cars for the middle and lower class. These are not like other tech which gets cheaper as people adopt it, to the contrary. More and more very expensive cars keep being made. And you STILL have the issue of raw materials for batteries (less available than oil by FAR) and the disposal once they reach EOL. And making them lighter will involve the use of more very expensive materials. Their weight is the least of their problems.
@@toyotaprius79 Just because you're not the biggest culprit doesn't mean you're not a culprit. Seriously, what a fallacious statement. The bottom line is that weight = general cost. The more weight, the more cost there is involved with your vehicle.
@@AkioWasRight All cars have gotten heavier with the addition of more safety gear, everyone wanting power seats, etc. Not to mention Americans buying cars twice or more larger than they actually need. My 3,600 pound EV is better than a 50K pound big rig. Need to keep things in perspective. Nobody is going to suddenly invent a car that weights a thousand pounds. But don't worry, the taxpayers of each state will be charged as much as possible by those they vote into office.
Very interesting Cooley. The battery problem in electric cars is very similar to the problem rocket scientists face when they want to increase travel distant: you have to increase the fuel tank but that means more weight so you need a bigger engine and thus the cycle repeats. As you indicate, the difference here is that a fuel car has a variable mass as it is consuming fuel while an electric car, as it is consuming electricity, it mass don’t change. As Ferdinand Porsche said “weight is the enemy”.
Remember when America was the leader in fast, efficient rail travel with a huge, diverse network? I don't. That's because we've all been sold the most expensive way to get around and that network of railways is a thing of the past.
To be fair though we still have the world's 7th largest volume of railroad tracks by total miles. Plus we do move a lot of our freight around by rail. Otherwise you make some good point's. It's sad when the average freight train goes about as fast as our average passenger trains do. 😀
Pure drivel. Keep driving your "much safer ICE". I sure love one sided biased videos like this. Show true data, in terms of road wear, maintenance costs (road and vehicle), and of course crash safety. Please also include noise studies vs toxic emissions and climate change on overall health costs, which would be nice to back up your claims.
Other EV problems include extinguishing EV car fires. Not so easy for fire departments. A lot more issues. Another is where are all these batteries going to be disposed of in this future green world. Only portions can be recycled Nice video.
90-95% of an ev battery is already capable of being recycled just ask redwoods materials. Which coincidently matches up with the amount the average car can be recycled. Car recycling is by GDP America's 16th largest business. Got any comment on the over 200k+ice vehicle fire's that happen annually in the U.S. alone? For comparison in all of 2021 there was only 62 total ev fires. Hmmm 2-4% is the generally accepted percentage of evs on the roads. So that would mean to be comparable to ice fires. Ev fires should've been at least 50x higher. Might be something to not driving a vehicle whose primary mode of power has combustion in it's name afterall. 🤔
@@4literv6 Yeah, but EVs burn for 3 days and no one can control the fire, unlike ICE cars. Ever heard of phones spontaneously catching fires in planes? Lithium batteries are dangerous.
@@johnc3525 217,000 ice vehicle fires in the U.S. alone in 2022. Caused multiple billions in structural damages. #1 open recall across ALL LEGACY ice oems right now encompassing several millions vehicle's from 1-5yrs old? For the risk of FIRE even when parked in your garage/driveway you complete genius. It's all right in the name afterall, internal combustion!👍🏻 Btw I know multiple fire fighters here in atl who've had ev specific training. They would laugh in your face just like I am at "takes 3 days to burn and no one can put it out&lithium batteries are dangerous hurr durr Dudley. 😂
Yep, another reason electric cars look disappointing. Plus, we are gonna have to dig up the entire planet for batteries. But u all will feel good and that’s what matters right!
#2 consumer of cobalt is the fossil fuel industry. It requires massive amounts of water cobatl&electricity just to refine crude oil 15% of all energy we use is expended just to find, extract, transport and refine fossil fuels. 40% of all global shipping emissions are from just the transportation of oil coal and natural gas supplies.
If anything, EV owners should get tax credits, not additional taxes. A semi truck causes 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations? An EV. Also think about the reduction in shipping due to less parts suppliers shipping materials and parts around.
Instead of pushing EV's we should be pushing motorcycles and scooters. 450lbs and two wheels is cheaper in every metric. Cheaper to buy, own, and operate. Less wear an tear on infrastructure and less congestion on roadways. Obviously not as your only source of transportation but for many parts of the country they can be used for 6-8 months of the year or more.
Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles would be lighter than both, even if you had a hybrid with a 50 mile range battery. I can't help but think that 10 years or so from now fuel cells will make sense for full-size passenger vehicles.
You do know that a Fuel Cell vehicle is a FCEV which means half the car is an EV, and please look up the weight of a Toyota Mirai for a FCEV.😀 Telsa Model 3: 4036lbs vs Toyota Mirai: 4076lbs. Hmm.
u forgot to mention that EV's put extra weight on our crumbling bridges threatening more collapses. most bridges cannot take the present loads, can u imagine, 30 or 40% more stress?
Been missing you Cooley....love your vids, always informative and entertaining.
i thought the 9000 pound hummer ev was an exaggeration. it’s ACTUALLY over 9000 what the hell!
That's like 3 small passenger cars. If I'm a ferry driver those Hummers would be makin me sweat lmao
The rivian r1t is 7100-7200#+ in a smaller vehicle size with a much smaller battery pack. I bet the max pack rivian coming in 2023 with a supposed 400 miles of range and a 180+kwh pack. Will easily weigh 7800#+ if not more. 🤔
But still lighter than the London Mayor's armoured plated SUV.
Also tire wear must be greater and suspension wear on EVs
Brian, please do car reviews again! I still watch your old ones and need some new car content now
Great to hear about these aspects, indeed under represented in general discussion.
I think electric public transport and bicycles and electric bicycles make alot of sense in most places.
Definitely electric public transport, and least not forget heavy quadricycles. It helps to understand how the differences in markets are utterly arbitrary. Hence why the US has no affordable and light trucks (chicken tax), or why availability of EVs were stricken off in the 2000s
@@johnodonoghue651 if you are scared of that then the urban environment is not planned very good. Netherlands is a good example of how a urban environment can be a very good place to ride a bicycle.
@@johnodonoghue651 and yes i ride bicycle in an urban environment even in winter and it's perfectly fine because we have separeted bicycle lanes and also we have reasonably good traffic calming(this is part of good urban planning. I didn't just make up words.)
@@johnodonoghue651 yes that's definitely not safe way to do it. If i remember correctly that is literally less safe than not any bicyle lanes.
@@johnodonoghue651 i would probably be scared to cycle on that too.
I've thought about weighty ev vehicles also. More power and (fuel) required and maintenance on suspension and brakes. Tires, and infrastructure wear on roadways and bridges. Can you see an extra 5000 + tons on an older suspension bridge during traffic rush hours and traffic jams?.
An example of the differences in these electric vehicles is evident in Tesla Model 3, weighing around 1,672kg, while the Ford Cortina Mark 1 weighed a mere 768kg. Another instance is the Audi E-Tron, another electric vehicle weighing 2,351kg in contrast to the 770kg Vauxhall Viva. Even the Nissan Leaf, a popular electric car, weighs approximately 1,580kg. Heavy pigs EV's are.
Loving my little Honda cb125, weight of 150 kg, get 500 km from 13 litres @ about 5 cents per km. Cheap rego, carburettor so easy fix when it breaks down , no computer to worry about. I save big jobs and hire ute for the day.
9000 pound Hummer EV is grotesque and wasteful. A deformed reflection of American consumerism
You should buy a Toyota hv or Daihatsu kei car.
The price is very competitive and environmentally friendly.
Cooley. You’re a cross generational genius.
Awesome stuff man
My 2021 Model 3 SR+ weights exactly the same as my old 2015 Mustang V6.
I want to see more videos from Cooley. I have been watching him sin 2012
Cooley the best
After seeing a lot of new channels starting to review car tech, I find they lack experience and drive time with most of the cars on the road. None of them come close to the knowledge, experience, and personality that Cooley always brings.
Two extra notes: I was surprised you didn’t mention the flaw with a semi. An articulated truck and a non-articulated truck both have maximum weights that take into account the weight of both the tractor and trailer. If your rig weighs more because of batteries, then you won’t be able to carry as much cargo.
EVs wear out roads over twice as fast. So the carbon emissions needs to be calculated for that. And I bet you, it won’t be pretty.
Cooley needs to teach a masterclass or an online class about cars. I may actually learn more about cars then.
The Tesla Model 3 is significantly lighter than the Ford F-150 the most popular vehicle in America. Tesla Model 3: Typically weighs around 4,000 pounds (1,814 kg).
Ford F-150: Can weigh anywhere from 4,500 to 7,000 pounds (2,041 to 3,175 kg) depending on configuration (cab size, engine, options).
Not to mention the additional weight in parking garages. We see parking garages occasionally pancaking now, I wouldn't want to be on the bottom floor when it's all ev's. The fire will burn for days. But they tell me it'll never happen...so I'm cool.
semis make up 90% or more of road wear
Well said, plus collisions with commercial use vehicle's. Cause most of the deaths and severe injuries otr.
And trucks are about 2% of the total otr vehicle fleet but they contribute over 25% of all the pollution from the transportation sector. 😶
I’m so happy Cooley is back making vids
Left a comment on a pro-EV channel, concerning this aspect of weight...it was removed!
Very informative!!!
Since the neighbours both bought EV's 4 years ago our shared driveway has suffered really badly.
Deep Potholes appearing ⚠️
There are light cars and heavy cars. If you compare heavy EVs to light ICE cars, you can easily make EVs sound heavier. Here are some ICE SUVs and how much heavier they are than Tesla's SUV - the Model Y (which is the best selling vehicle in the world, so not some obscure, special-case EV):
Hummer H1: 1,707kg heavier
Jeep Grand Wagoneer: 1001kg heavier
Chevy Suburban: 948kg heavier
Lincoln Navigator: 913kg heavier
Toyota Seuoia: 900kg heavier
Nissan Armada: 856kg heavier
Infinity QX80: 778kg heavier
GMC Yukon XL: 745kg heavier
Cadillac Escalade: 732kg heavier
Ford Expedition Max: 719kg heavier
Chevy Tahoe: 658kg heavier
Lexus GX: 661kg heavier
BMW X7: 660kg heavier
Mercedes GL-550: 621kg heavier
Range Rover: 545kg heavier
Lexus RX: 241kg heavier
Lexus TX: 209kg heavier
Jeep Grand Cherokee: 188kg heavier
The weight affects efficiency, which in turn affect the cost for the amount of range (both purchase price, because you need more batteries to go that distance, and the cost and time to charge per mile). So EVs are very incentivized to be as light as possible. You should definitely look at how much range you get for the price you're paying for the EV, as well as the charging speed. That's one of the many reasons Tesla's are so popular - you get the most range and fastest charging speeds for the lowest purchase price. They also happen to be some of the lightest EVs on the market. Coincidence? No.
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Brian, great info as always. I'd like to point out one thing in the favor of EVs as an owner of one (lightweight M3 in relative terms of course :)). The energy efficiency is bar none in comparison to ICE...That's that. So I guess as with everything in life, you just have to pick your poison carefully. Waste as heat or extra load :). Really good seeing you as always! The HUMMER is just an exercise in opulence...almost like they've tried making it as obnoxious as the fossil edition.
Also consider the weight of the fuel freight being pulled around daily to supply the gas stations in the name of ICE. Cheers!
Hey Cooley, nice shirt!
Infrastructure cost is going to be lit
I worry about the life time of bridges and roadways as these EVs take over. We already have problems with the lighter ICE vehicles.
Excellent video and highlighting of factual information. Consumers need to understand all data when making the choices between EV and combustion. Outside of urban areas combustion has the edge.
It's funny he mentions road wear. A semi truck causes 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations? An EV.
For every 16 ICE vehicles replaced with an EV you take one tanker truck off the road. So EVs are way less damaging to road surfaces simply due to the fact it removes the need for 80,000 lb tanker trucks to haul fuel around. There are other incidentals that EVs reduce. Think about the reduction in shipping due to less parts suppliers shipping materials and parts around. Think of all the parts stores that will greatly reduce inventory as ICE fades away. All these things will reduce the need for trucking and fuel for trucking.
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It would be interesting to see how the federal government would eventually tax electric vehicles during registration to offset road work based on odometer readings for succeeding renewals.
Neoliberalism basically
I must respectfully disagree. This should never become ICE vs EVs. ALL vehicles should be taxed by weight. There's no way Escalade, F350, Expedition...on and on are lighter than Standard Range model 3 at ~3500 lbs. Weight should determine the cost, not drivetrain.
There is another environmental cost of the weight and larger heavier tires. Those tires are gonna wear faster and those wear products, especially the compounds that are added to our tires are gonna end up in our water and soil in greater quantity than a conventional vehicle. Those wear products can be nasty. Now you also have more tire to get rid of at end of life.
Most of the road tax problem would be solved by taxing major corporations, who typically run large cargo vehicles down those same roads, at a rate that would be reflective of their road use and profits.
Corporations do pay road taxes, the same way you do, through fuel usage. And they use more fuel than anyone else, so they are paying a larger share. It's EV who need to step up and pay their share.
@@AkioWasRight the amount of road damage they cause is not proportional to the amount of fuel they use. big rigs cause exponentially more road wear
@@lshanny Big deal. It's rough taxation, but it still better than EVs that pay virtually nothing.
@@AkioWasRight it won’t actually generate enough funds to fix roads, or incentive alternative modes of transportation. an ev road tax is basically a meaningless virtue signal. tax trucks and you actually get enough funds to maintain roads, and large companies move to local freight to reduce costs.
@@lshanny What a load of nonsense.
Weight and usage is weight and usage. The heavier your cars is, and the more you use your car, the more you should pay. It's that simple.
Fund your own alternative modes of transportation and stop expecting free roads.
I wonder if the Beatles were thinking about EVs when they sang
Boy, you're gonna carry that weight, carry that weight
A long time....
Battery powered EVs are a silly idea. Trolley buses and hybrids are smarter till they can safely store a KWh of power in 100gms for a BEV. Probably impossible where the energy release is not sharply exothermic or enzymatic.
They must pay Road Tax just as like heavy trucks 🕊🌏🧐
So pretty much every EV car weighs less than America's best selling vehicle, the F150 ?
How come nobody cares what Pickups and SUVs weigh? An Escalade weighs 6,000lbs as does the F150. Let's be honest about the weight problem. Americans have a love affair with big heavy Trucks and SUVs.
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Thank you for bringing this up, my subdivision is having it's road redone and we had a meeting with the road commission about it and someone asked why one entrance was really bad and another not so much and the road commission engineer said it could be something as simple as the garbage trucks coming in light at one end and leaving heavy at the other over the years contributing to that. That's when I knew EVs and how heavy they are were bad news for our roads.
Okay, you should also consider that not all EVs are Hummer. My model 3 LR weighs 4,065 lbs but something like Escalade which is very popular size of a vehicle (not make/model, don't get me wrong) weighs 5553 lbs. So, please, don't make it an anti EV campaign. There's also too many benefits to EVs. Thanks for sharing your insight.
@@LuckTR LOL you are comparing a massive SUV to a petite sedan (a product category that is dying). Americans prefer SUVs (look at sales trends over the last 10 years) - so his point still stands the EV SUVs have a huge weight issue. Yes, a sedan or hatchback EV isn't as heavy but they are still pigs given their form factor. Personally I think the perfect combo is a small EV hatchback from urban commuting and an ICE SUV for weekend fun and family hauling. EV pickups and SUVs just don't make sense until battery tech improves.
@@Monkeyseemonkey79 ok, I'll bite. In terms of the "entrance road damage" your point is as moot as mine. We simply don't have the data on EVs vs ICE in that location. In general terms, you don't make any sense as no one's arguing the consumer choices. You cannot blanket all EVs as responsible for road damage if the MAJORITY or the vehicles on the road are inherently heavy ICE SUVs. Not mentioning the freight. Btw, how about we just talk without demeaning LOL... you don't know me and I don't know you. How about a sense of courtesy? Cheers
@@LuckTR I think you are replying to the wrong person. I never mentioned anything about 'entrance road damage" and have no idea what you are talking about.
This same argument was made when the market started massively shifting to SUVs and crossovers instead of sedans. Literally no one cared then and no one will care when they're choosing to buy an EV (or it might be more accurate to say it's a wash, since a very small number of people will see it as a con but an equal or greater number will see it as a pro - it means their EV is safer to be in).
Imagine eletric suvs .... thats a huge infrastructure cost. The wear is significantly nonlinear. Look up the road wear for a Hummer vs Honda Civic. Now multiple it by 10s of millions cars.
@@axe863 a hummer? Seriously? You chose the heaviest EV by far that is barely selling and want to compare that to a Civic, a completely different class of vehicle? That's extremely disingenuous of you. Why not compare the #1 selling EV - a Model Y (1,847 - 1,860kg), to a popular gas SUV like the Grand Cherokee (1,980 - 2,504kg)? Or the best selling EV sedan - the Model 3 (1,765 - 1,851kg) to gas cars of similar price, interior volume and performance like a BMW M3 (1,742 - 1,810kg) or Mercedes C-class (1,730 - 1,840kg)? When you make actual, fair comparisons there's basically no weight difference.
@@truhartwood3170 Most people would get an EV SUV. This is 'Merica
@@axe863 OK, but as I just showed, a Model Y is lighter than a Grand Cherokee. An Escalade is 1000 kilos heavier than a Model Y. An ICE Hummer H1 is twice the weight of a Model Y. Yet how often do you ever see anyone talking about these vehicles tearing up roads and requiring bridges to be upgraded etc? Never, right? This is exclusively used as an argument against EVs and, as you can see from the numbers, it just doesn't hold up to a couple minutes of fact checking on Google.
@@axe863 OK, but as I just showed, a Model Y is lighter than a Grand Cherokee. An Escalade is 1000 kilos heavier than a Model Y. An ICE Hummer H1 is twice the weight of a Model Y. Yet how often do you ever see anyone talking about these vehicles tearing up roads and requiring bridges to be upgraded etc? Never, right? This is exclusively used as an argument against EVs and, as you can see from the numbers, it just doesn't hold up to a couple minutes of fact checking on Google.
some states have taxes on ev's that is more than the tax a gas car pays. i don't see you mentioning that?
What state is that?
Also, upfront taxes aren't enough to makeup for the higher tax demands. A 4,500lb pickup truck is taxed more because it pays taxes on fuel usage. In a state like California, that's over $1,500 annually for the average truck owner, and that doesn't include annual registration fees. Meanwhile, a 5,000lb Tesla Model S owner only pays an annual registration.
@@AkioWasRight Georgia is one of them.
@@Mike-Minion Still doubt it's enough to cover the on-road cost of a 5,000lb EV.
Good insights Brian
My Tesla Model S is lucky to get 15k out of it’s tires
Brutal.
Heavy vehicles better in a crash? No bigger vehicle better in a crash since heavy small vehicle gets plowed thru by bigger vehicle.
What about going up a hill with an electric call that weight this much
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It's funny he mentions road wear. A semi truck causes 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations? An EV.
For every 16 ICE vehicles replaced with an EV you take one tanker truck off the road. So EVs are way less damaging to road surfaces simply due to the fact it removes the need for 80,000 lb tanker trucks to haul fuel around. There are other incidentals that EVs reduce. Think about the reduction in shipping due to less parts suppliers shipping materials and parts around. Think of all the parts stores that will greatly reduce inventory as ICE fades away. All these things will reduce the need for trucking and fuel for trucking.
You are spot on. Simply put, the pros outweigh the cons.
Fuel taxes going to road repairs / improvements, that number is generally laughable. I'd like to see asphalt roads banned. If you want to "save the roads" close your Amazon account.
I see Cooley i click, no matter what the video is about.
I never thought about the lack of taxes (from gasoline purchase) will no longer go to roadwork/infrastructure work. I suppose the solution will be for the government to slap on an annual tax on your license, if you own an EV.
In Georgia, EV owners pay about $200/year more to register their cars. In my case, this "replacement" for lost gas taxes is actually about $60 more than I would have paid in gas taxes when I drove a Mazda3 12,000 miles per year.
NO big deal. More noise than signal.
If it’s unfair to be hit by a heavy ev then address the issue with all those heavy ass trucks
Commercial trucks are a necessity, unlike your Model X. What's more, your Model X weighs more than an F-150 pickup truck, so you're shifting from one big problem to an even bigger one.
@@AkioWasRight why should private citizen bear the burden of road maintenance costs when corporations benefit the most from their existence and do the most damage by far? there are alternatives to truck freight, look at Switzerland.
@@lshanny Corporations also bear the burden. Don't talk with half truths. The vast majority of road funding comes from commercial trucking, not just private Joe in his commuter Honda.
@@AkioWasRight not in proportion to the amount of wear they cause to roads. they’re getting away with murder in that respect.
@@lshanny If trucking companies are committing murder, then someone in a 5,200lb EV is committing mass murder, because they pay less than guy in the 2,500lb Honda Civic
If people weren't so obsessed with having a 300+ mile range they'll never use we could all have much lighter EVs
Even shorter range EVs are heavy. The Nissan Leaf, for example, is about the size of a Nissan Versa, their smallest car, but it weighs as much as a Nissan Maxima, their biggest car, even though it only has about 150 miles of range.
Come back to reviewing cars. We need some sense talked into us with these prices.
That's what happens when people who never drove an EV say they want 400 mile range minimum. And the marketers respond.
Hyundai Ioniq from 2017 is a model example for a light, efficient, long legged and fast charging EV
The BMW i3's CFRP construction is a model for lightweight and sustainable manufacturing
Yea but the weight distribution is much better than ice. Just wondering what Lotus and miatas are gonna do to get around this
It's funny you mention road wear. A semi truck cause 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations?
An EV.
For every 16 ICE vehicles replaced with EVs, you take one tanker truck off the road. So even though EVs are heavier.... they are way less damaging to road surfaces simply due to the fact it removes the need for 80,000 lb tanker trucks to haul fuel around.
Despite their lower weight, ICE vehicles are essentially 600 times more damaging than an EV to road surfaces because their fuel isn't hauled by a tanker truck.
Gas tax for passenger vehicles should never have been levied in the first place. It's a regressive tax that passes the tax burden to consumer rather than corporations who are actually tearing up the roads. That said, we should have some form of tax since we all benefit from roads even if we don't drive. Gas tax was and has always been regressive slight-of-hand tax policy though.
Lightweight heavier car. Oxymoron.
Actually, one of the reason why we got an ev is bc they’re heavier. My husband likes smaller cars, but I never felt safe driving one surrounded by huge, heavy SUV’s. Now with our polestar, at least it’s comparable in weight to a midsize suv.
If vehicle weight is the primary cause of road damage then vehicles should be taxed on a combination of weight and miles driven. Then the heaviest vehicles that travel the most miles will pay the most tax.
Under-engineered EVs are heavy.
Tesla seems to be able to make the lightest EVs and are on par with the weight of PHEV of their size class.
Once batteries get better integrated into the car structure (i.e. Texas Model Y) they may start getting lighter than ICE cars.
Yup despite what this knuckle head claimed? If you lookup the weights for the tesla model 3 and bmw 3 series?
Which btw the bmw 3 series is the most commonly traded in car on a m3 tesla. Anyway a quick search showed me the lightest tesla m3 is within 80# of the lightest bmw 3 series. And the heaviest version of either is within 100# of each other. Wow what a shocking difference that is. 😶
Per a google search for 2022 BMW 3 series weights. The bmwusa website lists 3571#-4250#
Per the tesla website search for 2022 model 3 weights it's 3648#-4200# 🤔
The Ford lightning is another example. The base lightning is an awd dual motor super cab truck weighs about 6200#.
Compare it to the heaviest loaded up ice trim f-150 with a full load of fuel. And they are within 350-400# of each either.
It's not nothing for sure, but on a truck which weighs 5600+# when it's empty?
400# is like bringing 2 average helpers with ya on a project or beer run. 😀
@@4literv6 You're wrong. A Model 3 is several hundred pounds heavier, trim for trim. What's more, the Model 3 has significantly less range than any comparable 3 series, so even the heaviest Model 3 with the biggest battery is not comparable.
You are simply making up a false comparison to come to a false conclusion.
I see your point in terms of weight, but it's hard to agree such difference would make ICE superior. One of many things that works for EVs in this case is the powertrain. It's lightyears ahead in terms of efficiency and the fuel also comes right to your garage in powerlines...so no gasoline freight weighing on the roads daily which is undeniably worse for the tarmac than model 3. Finally, as an ICE owner you got to pick up the fuel at the station, and if you start factoring in further variables in terms of weight affecting quality of roads, we might end up in a stale mate ;). Appreciate your insight. Thanks!
@@AkioWasRight
Model 3 Long Range/Performance: 1,843 kg (4,065 lbs)
BMW 3 Series 330e xDrive: 1,877 kg (4,138 lbs)
@@shiakas You're posting false numbers, just like the other guy. What's more, you're comparing apples to oranges.
BMW M340i xDrive Sedan: 3,968 lbs and 499.20 miles of Range.
Model 3 Long Range AWD: 4,250 lbs and 358.00 miles of range.
That is according to Edmunds.
Also, you posted the PLUG-IN version of the 3 Series, which is the heaviest version of the car. But even then, it's still lighter. You had to ELECTRIFY an ICE, which only proves the point that electrification is extremely heavy.
Another thing, I don't really take any comparison to the Model 3 seriously, as it doesn't have comparable range. Unlike an ICE car, range is achieved through significant weight increases, because of the lack of power density. If the battery/range of that car were comparable, it likely would be north of a 5,000 lbs, which would just be ridiculously heavy.
If that's not bad enough, Tesla cuts corners everywhere in that car to save weight and money, and to maximize range. It doesn't even have dedicated buttons to control basic features, or even a dedicated instrument cluster. That's how desperate they were to reduce weight. Still, it's heavier than the closest ICE competitor by several hundred pounds. That just proves how much weight batteries are contributing.
almost certain..oxymoron.
i don't see this being a big problem. they are heavy but on the same street you have big trucks going down. which are completely much heavier. yes don't forget all the big trucks. ie ups, trash, construction vehicles etc.
yes they need to pay there fair share some how but lets not get crazy like some states have already done.
I talked to the manager of dekalb solid waste services and he claimed they have to run their truck's overloaded every single trash pickup day.
No choice if they want to get the trash done, and all those noisy smelly belching diesels do is tear up the roads at 26,000+#
Now tell me a 5,000# ev which is not stopping and starting every 50-100' is somehow doing equievelant damage to the road. 😂
I use to like you. Sure electric cars are heavy than a comparable size gasoline car, but they have so many other advantages over gasoline cars that more than make up for it. Why aren't you talking about that?
Only the wealthy can afford them and as the manufacturers shift to more and more EVs there will be less affordable cars for the middle and lower class. These are not like other tech which gets cheaper as people adopt it, to the contrary. More and more very expensive cars keep being made. And you STILL have the issue of raw materials for batteries (less available than oil by FAR) and the disposal once they reach EOL. And making them lighter will involve the use of more very expensive materials. Their weight is the least of their problems.
Alt title: "Fullsize Trucks have a HEAVY problem"... with small diks ;)
Converting to KGs for the whole rest of the world would be nice...........
Yes they are too heavy and that's a problem because it's not good for the roads. This will probably cause alot more potholes.
Trucking industry that delivers all of your Amazon products are your biggest culprit.
Don't waste time on 1600kg EVs
@@toyotaprius79 yes that's true. Trucking industry is definitely one of worst for roads
@@toyotaprius79 Just because you're not the biggest culprit doesn't mean you're not a culprit.
Seriously, what a fallacious statement.
The bottom line is that weight = general cost. The more weight, the more cost there is involved with your vehicle.
@@AkioWasRight All cars have gotten heavier with the addition of more safety gear, everyone wanting power seats, etc. Not to mention Americans buying cars twice or more larger than they actually need. My 3,600 pound EV is better than a 50K pound big rig. Need to keep things in perspective. Nobody is going to suddenly invent a car that weights a thousand pounds. But don't worry, the taxpayers of each state will be charged as much as possible by those they vote into office.
@@davidmccarthy6061 Another set of fallacies.
A jeep or pickup with oversized tires makes far more noise than an ev. Also any vehicle in an accident with an f250 will loose unless its a hummer ev.
Another fallacious argument. That seems to be the theme here.
That's irrelevant. A Model 3 is comparable to a 3 series, and a F250 ev will have a 2000 pound battery.
Very interesting Cooley. The battery problem in electric cars is very similar to the problem rocket scientists face when they want to increase travel distant: you have to increase the fuel tank but that means more weight so you need a bigger engine and thus the cycle repeats. As you indicate, the difference here is that a fuel car has a variable mass as it is consuming fuel while an electric car, as it is consuming electricity, it mass don’t change. As Ferdinand Porsche said “weight is the enemy”.
The first Porsche ever the p1 was an electric. 😀
Still, electric cars has more pluses than minuses compare with combustion, at least it’s a right direction of development
Remember when America was the leader in fast, efficient rail travel with a huge, diverse network? I don't. That's because we've all been sold the most expensive way to get around and that network of railways is a thing of the past.
To be fair though we still have the world's 7th largest volume of railroad tracks by total miles.
Plus we do move a lot of our freight around by rail. Otherwise you make some good point's.
It's sad when the average freight train goes about as fast as our average passenger trains do. 😀
Pure drivel. Keep driving your "much safer ICE". I sure love one sided biased videos like this. Show true data, in terms of road wear, maintenance costs (road and vehicle), and of course crash safety. Please also include noise studies vs toxic emissions and climate change on overall health costs, which would be nice to back up your claims.
Other EV problems include extinguishing EV car fires. Not so easy for fire departments. A lot more issues.
Another is where are all these batteries going to be disposed of in this future green world. Only portions can be recycled
Nice video.
90-95% of an ev battery is already capable of being recycled just ask redwoods materials.
Which coincidently matches up with the amount the average car can be recycled. Car recycling is by GDP America's 16th largest business.
Got any comment on the over 200k+ice vehicle fire's that happen annually in the U.S. alone? For comparison in all of 2021 there was only 62 total ev fires. Hmmm 2-4% is the generally accepted percentage of evs on the roads. So that would mean to be comparable to ice fires.
Ev fires should've been at least 50x higher. Might be something to not driving a vehicle whose primary mode of power has combustion in it's name afterall. 🤔
@@4literv6 Yeah, but EVs burn for 3 days and no one can control the fire, unlike ICE cars. Ever heard of phones spontaneously catching fires in planes? Lithium batteries are dangerous.
@@johnc3525 217,000 ice vehicle fires in the U.S. alone in 2022. Caused multiple billions in structural damages.
#1 open recall across ALL LEGACY ice oems right now encompassing several millions vehicle's from 1-5yrs old?
For the risk of FIRE even when parked in your garage/driveway you complete genius. It's all right in the name afterall, internal combustion!👍🏻
Btw I know multiple fire fighters here in atl who've had ev specific training. They would laugh in your face just like I am at "takes 3 days to burn and no one can put it out&lithium batteries are dangerous hurr durr Dudley. 😂
Yep, another reason electric cars look disappointing. Plus, we are gonna have to dig up the entire planet for batteries. But u all will feel good and that’s what matters right!
#2 consumer of cobalt is the fossil fuel industry. It requires massive amounts of water cobatl&electricity just to refine crude oil
15% of all energy we use is expended just to find, extract, transport and refine fossil fuels.
40% of all global shipping emissions are from just the transportation of oil coal and natural gas supplies.
My Kona EV is 200 lbs lighter than the Kona ICE version
If anything, EV owners should get tax credits, not additional taxes. A semi truck causes 9600 TIMES more damage than a passenger vehicle. You know what doesn't need a tanker truck to haul its fuel to gas stations? An EV. Also think about the reduction in shipping due to less parts suppliers shipping materials and parts around.
How about hydrogen car
Instead of pushing EV's we should be pushing motorcycles and scooters. 450lbs and two wheels is cheaper in every metric. Cheaper to buy, own, and operate. Less wear an tear on infrastructure and less congestion on roadways.
Obviously not as your only source of transportation but for many parts of the country they can be used for 6-8 months of the year or more.
Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles would be lighter than both, even if you had a hybrid with a 50 mile range battery. I can't help but think that 10 years or so from now fuel cells will make sense for full-size passenger vehicles.
You do know that a Fuel Cell vehicle is a FCEV which means half the car is an EV, and please look up the weight of a Toyota Mirai for a FCEV.😀 Telsa Model 3: 4036lbs vs Toyota Mirai: 4076lbs. Hmm.
u forgot to mention that EV's put extra weight on our crumbling bridges threatening more collapses. most bridges cannot take the present loads, can u imagine, 30 or 40% more stress?