Hey Justin, another great episode! Well done, really well researched and presented. Interesting to hear about Carl Palmer's really early electronic drum connections, I'd forgotten about that, he has a Jamma as well, I think he had a Dynacord version before (Dynacord Rhythm Stick) and then i presented him with a hand built Jamma when i (tried!) to re-launch it. The Dynacord thing ended - for anyone interested to know - when Sennheiser (I think it was them!) bought our Dynacord and dumped the electronic drums end of business... Pretty much destroyed my life for a many a year as it goes! But hey, yes as you say, 2021 will the The Jamma how it should have been shown all those years ago!
Probably one of the most famous electronic drummers, Rick Allen from Def Leppard started out with an acoustic/Simmons hybrid kit after he lost his arm in a car accident in 1984.
being a full time pro drummer playing a lot of different electronics over the years (including hand made pads) & drum machines, I found this really wonderful. Hat's off - a great salute and overview......
You should do a 'Rise and Fall of Simmons" video. It's so weird how they make such .... well... not great drums these days, when they were the absolute best in the 80s.
@@demonicsweaters It's a complicated story, but I've documented it in future episodes coming up, Simmons falls apart in the 90s and legal drama happens in the 2000s with Guitar Center. I've also spoken to Dave Simmons trying to tie up some details too :) You are probably right, at some point Simmons will have to be it's own video by itself.
@@65Drums It's a mission! Dave Simmons didn't invented the electronic drums but definitely is the father of the modern electronic drums from the SDSV to the super advanced SDX and his story needs to be well recorded.
The SDS7 is a hybrid electronic drum kit and you can make really powerful sound with it, has the the best of both worlds, analog engine plus digital samples that you can use it appart or combined.
Thank you Justin for these History vids. What a great amount of info. I had no idea there were so many kits made by so many different companies I am really enjoying learning about this. I bought my first e - kit last year and went with the Roland TD - 17KVX. I love it. I can play any time I want to . Literally. I guess I was an acoustic snob too. Always thought of them as cheap toy like imitations . Not any more. So glad I hooked up with 65 Drums before I bought my kit . I learned so much from your videos that I was completely comfortable with my choice and truly have no regrets. Anyway , thank you again and keep up the great work !
Main reason i got into Electronic drums was because of Jo Hammer, during his tenure as Jean Michel Jarre's drummer and his massive Simmon's kit during his Rendez-vous Houston live show ♥ ♥ ♥ Thank you for this documentary sir! :)
Great video. Not much to add except that I was in a project for a bit where we wanted to rehearse at a low volume so I played that first Roland drum kit with the triangular pads. It was like drumming on bullet proof glass. Felt like a marble counter top. Real wrist destroyer.
great work, Justin! I witnessed Carl Palmer playing his electric drum solo...twice, in the late 70s. This solo can be heard live on “Tocatta” featured on the ELP three disc live album “Welcome back......”. Very abstract. A studio version is heard on “Brain Salad Surgery”...great name🥳
I don't know if you knew but, Terry Bozzio 80's drummer for the band MISSING PERSONS made his own electronic kit at one time, but was never reproduced or commercialized. Another thing I'd like to mention is my good friend DAN DAUZ has his own line of electronic pads and kits available. Neil Peart has always used DAUZ pads over the years, his last pad was designed after THE WHO's Bullseye LOGO. Neil has the 1st pad and Dan made me the second pad, before he made a limited supply of them. Thanks for your tremendous work on TH-cam. KEEP ROCKIN' JOEDRUMS2112
My first ekit was a older alesis in 90s . It wasnt great but had some decent sounds now i just play my practice pad. I retired from full time drums and percussion due to a heart defect. Happy drumming yall.great video justin❤
Boy does this presentation bring back memories. First let me say thank you. I used to own 2 dynacord rhythm sticks so I could get out from behind the drum kit and stand out front with guitar players and saxophonist and vocalist. It was cool. Eventually sold them, needed the cash, you know how it is being a musician that's starving. Sure wish I would have kept one of them though. My bad. Still have my old Tama techstar drum kit and Roland octapad midi it up to a Roland R8. Will never give up.
Hey Vaughn, Yeah that was the idea mate, glad you liked it! There was often quite a bit of resistance from drummers i demoed it to, it was like Marmite, love it or hate it! So now tech has caught up, expect a mind fuk relaunch of The Jamma next year (2021) after, well errr, over a decade of thinking about it! More coming soon!
Fascinating, the 80's was my era for e drums. I had the Multi Klone an the Pearl Drum X. You could get some really cool drum sounds from the Pearl analogue brain. I was able to get a deep fat snare sound. I even had a custom designed pack & roll box, for them. With individual foam lined compartments for the kick an tom/snare pads an a lift out tray for the brain. Long before Roland an Yammy became popular. Worked for me..
Hello. Great series. You've done a ton of work documenting and crafting the series. Thank you! ... Regarding the Pearl Fightman portion at 16:56: Everything is correct about the revolutionary concepts. In actual fact the set was quickly discontinued due to a "confused market rejection" not due to "competitor bypass". Pearl was not releasing Fightman to compete with Simmons or Alesis or any other "stage" type electronic drumset. It was in a new complete class of it's own. "Silent Practice". In the 80's when drums were commanding the stage, sets were growing bigger by the day your neighbor's had pretty much dis-owned you if you played drums. Pearl saw a completely new market. Remember, we are talking about the same company that marketed the "Pearl Exports". That market inspired Pearl to design an entire revolutionary first ever drum set including the fully functional ABS hi hat and cymbals for practicing in silence. That's why it had an onboard metronome and, yes, a "cassette/cd player" line in and a 1/4" headphone jack. The price (not the technology) was the set's demise. List in Canada was approx $1450 for the complete FM-80 set. A cheaper version was available without the cymbals. I think the US FM-80 price was about $1200. Upon release in 1984 I was in sales at Drums Only which was the largest drum center on the planet. I thought the Fightman filled a huge gap because I was also running the teaching department. On release it appeared to make drumming available to all those who lived in apartments (no condos in those days). The issue was the cost. They didn't sell. A year later I bought all Pearl Fightman units in Canada through an exclusive agreement with Pearl and rented them to students and professionals who were travelling so they could practice in their hotels. In a nutshell Pearl was onto something. They knew what they had but the market and the retailers didn't. (Including Drums Only). They were incredibly resilient well made electronic drum sets that served a huge need. I made a deal with Pearl and bought all of Pearl's remaining Canadian stock (approximately 20 sets). I rented them for nearly 20 years. By the way, an overlooked feature of the set was that the bass drum had an extra output jack. all you needed was an phono cable and Pearl's add-on "FMB-80" bass trigger pad and stand and you had a double bass electronic set.
I can only imagine the amount research and hard work that went on making these two videos. And I guess these are the only two videos in all of internet explaining the history of edrums right down to every last detail. Amazing man!!!!
Thanks! I didn't know for sure if people would be interested in a series like this when I first started work on it a few months ago. I'm happy to hear you are enjoying the episodes!
@@alexgraham46 Mr Graham, you wrote two excellent books that I purchased and used during my research due to the solid information. In addition I got my information from reading oceans of articles from Sound On Sound, Modern Drummer Magazine, One Two Testing, Electronics & Music Maker, Music Technology, Electronic Sound Maker, International Musician & Recording World, Digital Drummer, and more. I went through tens of thousands of pages reading pretty much all the review articles I could find for all 50/60 years of edrums. As for books: The Complete Simmons Drum Book by Bob Henrit, Electronic Drums by Frank Vilardi, and All About Electronic Percussion were also very helpful. I referenced old videos on youtube include yours, and I spoke to the people behind several electronic drum companies for various parts of this series. I also purchased a small collection of vintage electronic drums of my own which I found helpful. I'm grateful for the hard work that you have done, you laid out the dates and many other helpful details. But you must also admit that you were also building off the work of others that came before you just like me. Your book The "Complete Simmons Drum Guide" was building off the foundation of "The Complete Simmons Drum Guide By Bob Hernit" before you. In your books you reference the same magazines and books I read while doing the research for this series. And as you've seen, I have an Amazon link to your books in every one of these videos. You are profiting off this documentary series and gaining new fans that might have never heard of you before. There's room for multiple books and videos about the history of edrums, we are all in the same electronic drum fan club.
Justin. Fantastic recollection of the evolution of E- drums. Thanks for the clarification of ELP. For the old guys like me not mentioning Keith Emerson was kind of sacrilege, LOL. I strongly recommend you to listen their albums, especially Brain Salad Surgery and Tarkus . Thanks for your great channel
Cool. Thank you. I didn’t care for electronic drums back in the 80s, but appreciate them now. I like how Simmons had a few different colours. You could get black, white, blue, red, or yellow. I got an SDS-8 and like playing around with it. The pads are in good shape too.
The old vintage simmons kits always looked cool. My first kit was my stepdads old simmons SDS 1000 drum brain and a red simmons 5 piece pad kit with 4 regular pads and kick. I think they were the SDS 200 pads. I donated them a while back because I wasn't using them but the analog synth drum sounds are really cool. Ana they look cool integrated in a acoustic setup.
Justin again great work I'm really impressed you should be proud of all that hard work you did I actually still have my Simmons SDS 7 the full kit he'll probably keep it forever
That was my first set up - Casio ,and then a Casio translator into a Roland R70 around 91 . The Casio sounds were not good,but you could run each drum into a seperate board chanel and EQ and add effects to each drum. Started out with this to get a good( and loud ) bass drum sound with no feedback from the PA . It worked . I took a Casio pad and unscrewed it and mounted it in my bas drum so you could not tell it was electronic. I played on that same bass drum for 18 years - and that Casio pad never broke ! Used it 1,000's of times . Then I went from T-D 6 / T-10 /T-30 / Now I have had a T-50 for a few years . but to be honest I mostly recording via midi using VST's so a TD - 30 would have been good enough . And I have a killer acoustic set that I usually wind up using for live playing performing ,because other musicians and still against using electronic drums .
A huge amount of effort and research must have went into making this Justin much more than my pea brain can absorb so I’ve watched it a few times lol Extremely interesting I never new there were so many companies making this stuff and from so far back ! Thanks dude really appreciate the effort great vid 👍
Played one of the Simmons SDS kits back in the day. Don't recall which one specifically. Glad I didn't play on it a lot as it was like hitting floor tile -- with the tile not breaking. I did, however, have guys who owned them and gigged with them tell me that Simmons and other e-drums allowed them to play in many different venues without worrying about how their set would sound in that particular venue. It would usually sound pretty much the same. They liked that, but admitted they didn't like much else. Why guys recorded with them I'll never know.
Fantastic,ty mate,been listening alot to Dreams by Van Halen lately due to the sad passing of Eddie,Alex used Simmons on that album 5150 but with a real snare and cymbals.
Alex use the Simmons before that, the bass drum of jump is a Simmons SDSV, he started using some sounds but in 5150 he embraced the Simmons completely. The sound of the SDSV is unique!
I like how in the 80's the e-Drums had to be something other round like acoustic kits!! That first one was a brand from W.Germany you can tell how old that is now being this is the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the iron curtain!!
At 14:30 : Suzuki Motor Corporation did not produce drums - but Suzuki Musical Instrument Corporation did. There are more than one company in Japan with the name Suzuki.
My first listening of a Simmons drum kit was in 1982 on Jean Michel Jarre's Concerts in China (Shanghai and Peking in the late 1981) and it was like an awakeness for me! After then, as great fan of Genesis since 1981 on the album with same name and naturally here in central europe in the whole "Neue deutsche Welle" like on Spliff's album 85555. Unfortunately the style of this music was gone after 1985, then the charts were most dominated from US proletarian guitar sound rock music...
Anyone know what kit Bobby Z from the Revolution was using in 1986 on the Parade tour? They were diamond shaped pads with a paisley finish. I'd imagine they were custom made but from who? Prior to that from 1983-85 he was using a Black Simmons SDSV w/Simmons SDSV Module, Linn LM-1 Drum Machine, Black Pearl Syncussion pads w/a Pearl Syncussion Module.
Hey! Thanks for including a clip of my DDRUM video. Surprised you didn't use a clip from my Pearl Fightman video. You left out the JL Cooper Sound Chest II (demo video on my channel). I've never seen the original "mk1" Sound Chest and it's my theory is that was the unit that was custom made for Terry Bozzio in Missing Persons.
One of the hardest parts of making this video series is finding enough video clips, thanks so much for uploading yours! I just didn't see your video during research, or I would have :)
IDK how many Parts there are ..But shouldn't there be a link to, at least, PT. 1 !?! I ask about this because I don't see PT 1, on your channel page. :)
You van make the paying surface of the Tama pads better if you cut the foam in halve where the ply wood rest so you can add some foam on top of the ply wood and have a better playing surface when using mesh heads.
I worked with Kat a few years ago, excellent products and service. Although, I think companies like this will always be trying to explain to musicians how controllers can expand their possibilities.
I was once strong-armed into ditching my drumming skills altogether and being replaced by a drum machine on recordings. I figured that if I wasn’t actually playing on the recordings it would quash my ability to claim any performance royalties and therefore eliminate any chance of making money. So I opted to fight the drum machine requests and played drums for real on the tracks. What I didn’t know that it was already predetermined by others that I wasn’t in line for receiving any money anyway. In fact, the band management screwed me over so bad that I ended receiving no money whatsoever, being signed on to the dole and having to pay another management company £1000 just to get out of a contract that I had been duped into signing without any explanation. I’m still expected to remain friends with these people but as far as I’m concerned, they can all just……… off !
It's not a big deal. I just have to leave a pinned comment about it because for the next 5 years I will get people mentioning the mistake over and over again. But as long as I acknowledge the mistake, people will mostly stop mentioning it. It's just the way the internet works :)
Regarding the electrification of acoustic drums (qv Devo), also check out Chris Cutler and Tony Oxley: th-cam.com/video/NfmyiVViOo0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/IevcM__ORto/w-d-xo.html ...if improvised music is to your taste.
It's a direct quote from the guy. If I had to guess, maybe he's talking about Piezos. Some acoustic guitars use them, and so do electronic drums. Or maybe he's talking about a different sensor altogether it's hard to say for sure.
@@Scrimjer Yeah they'd break if you hit them, but it's only an inch across. So if you put them under the head or to the far side you won't hit them 99% of the time
My mistake for the day was not using the full Emerson Lake & Palmer band name, thanks for pointing it out in the comments.
Hey Justin, another great episode! Well done, really well researched and presented. Interesting to hear about Carl Palmer's really early electronic drum connections, I'd forgotten about that, he has a Jamma as well, I think he had a Dynacord version before (Dynacord Rhythm Stick) and then i presented him with a hand built Jamma when i (tried!) to re-launch it. The Dynacord thing ended - for anyone interested to know - when Sennheiser (I think it was them!) bought our Dynacord and dumped the electronic drums end of business... Pretty much destroyed my life for a many a year as it goes! But hey, yes as you say, 2021 will the The Jamma how it should have been shown all those years ago!
Hey not a problem just that I am old enough to have witnessed this stuff 😅
It's crazy how Simmons used to be like top of the line innovators and now they're like one step up from 'no-name' e-drums.
Probably one of the most famous electronic drummers, Rick Allen from Def Leppard started out with an acoustic/Simmons hybrid kit after he lost his arm in a car accident in 1984.
being a full time pro drummer playing a lot of different electronics over the years (including hand made pads) & drum machines, I found this really wonderful. Hat's off - a great salute and overview......
That SDS7 being able to mix analog and digital sounds is pretty awesome. I'd be really cool to have that on a modern module!
I agree, that would be cool to see. Now that more modules are doing layering at least a few can do it now
You should do a 'Rise and Fall of Simmons" video. It's so weird how they make such .... well... not great drums these days, when they were the absolute best in the 80s.
@@demonicsweaters It's a complicated story, but I've documented it in future episodes coming up, Simmons falls apart in the 90s and legal drama happens in the 2000s with Guitar Center. I've also spoken to Dave Simmons trying to tie up some details too :) You are probably right, at some point Simmons will have to be it's own video by itself.
@@65Drums It's a mission!
Dave Simmons didn't invented the electronic drums but definitely is the father of the modern electronic drums from the SDSV to the super advanced SDX and his story needs to be well recorded.
The SDS7 is a hybrid electronic drum kit and you can make really powerful sound with it, has the the best of both worlds, analog engine plus digital samples that you can use it appart or combined.
Thank you Justin for these History vids. What a great amount of info. I had no idea there were so many kits made by so many different companies I am really enjoying learning about this. I bought my first e - kit last year and went with the Roland TD - 17KVX. I love it. I can play any time I want to . Literally. I guess I was an acoustic snob too. Always thought of them as cheap toy like imitations . Not any more. So glad I hooked up with 65 Drums before I bought my kit . I learned so much from your videos that I was completely comfortable with my choice and truly have no regrets. Anyway , thank you again and keep up the great work !
Main reason i got into Electronic drums was because of Jo Hammer, during his tenure as Jean Michel Jarre's drummer and his massive Simmon's kit during his Rendez-vous Houston live show ♥ ♥ ♥
Thank you for this documentary sir! :)
Great video. Not much to add except that I was in a project for a bit where we wanted to rehearse at a low volume so I played that first Roland drum kit with the triangular pads. It was like drumming on bullet proof glass. Felt like a marble counter top. Real wrist destroyer.
great work, Justin!
I witnessed Carl Palmer playing his electric drum solo...twice, in the late 70s. This solo can be heard live on “Tocatta” featured on the ELP three disc live album “Welcome back......”. Very abstract.
A studio version is heard on “Brain Salad Surgery”...great name🥳
I see that you overlooked the
“Hello Kitty” kit they sounded like slowly backing over a cat.
I don't know if you knew but, Terry Bozzio 80's drummer for the band MISSING PERSONS made his own electronic kit at one time, but was never reproduced or commercialized. Another thing I'd like to mention is my good friend DAN DAUZ has his own line of electronic pads and kits available. Neil Peart has always used DAUZ pads over the years, his last pad was designed after THE WHO's Bullseye LOGO. Neil has the 1st pad and Dan made me the second pad, before he made a limited supply of them. Thanks for your tremendous work on TH-cam. KEEP ROCKIN' JOEDRUMS2112
Amazing deja vu experience watching this show. THANK YOU JUSTIN! I still have my dynacord percuter!
My first ekit was a older alesis in 90s . It wasnt great but had some decent sounds now i just play my practice pad. I retired from full time drums and percussion due to a heart defect. Happy drumming yall.great video justin❤
Great video. It really brings me back as I remember these ads in my Modern Druumer magazine. Thank you for the stroll down Nostalgia Lane.
I went through several decades of modern drummer magazine to find those exact adds for this video lol. Thanks for watching!
Boy does this presentation bring back memories. First let me say thank you. I used to own 2 dynacord rhythm sticks so I could get out from behind the drum kit and stand out front with guitar players and saxophonist and vocalist. It was cool. Eventually sold them, needed the cash, you know how it is being a musician that's starving. Sure wish I would have kept one of them though. My bad. Still have my old Tama techstar drum kit and Roland octapad midi it up to a Roland R8. Will never give up.
Hey Vaughn, Yeah that was the idea mate, glad you liked it! There was often quite a bit of resistance from drummers i demoed it to, it was like Marmite, love it or hate it! So now tech has caught up, expect a mind fuk relaunch of The Jamma next year (2021) after, well errr, over a decade of thinking about it! More coming soon!
Fascinating, the 80's was my era for e drums. I had the Multi Klone an the Pearl Drum X. You could get some really cool drum sounds from the Pearl analogue brain. I was able to get a deep fat snare sound.
I even had a custom designed pack & roll box, for them.
With individual foam lined compartments for the kick an tom/snare pads an a lift out tray for the brain.
Long before Roland an Yammy became popular.
Worked for me..
back in the 80's i had the casio trigger box, the roland pads and used midi to hook em all together to my Yamaha RX5 drum machine.
Great video man. This gave me a lot of information on edrums. 👌👌
Hello. Great series. You've done a ton of work documenting and crafting the series. Thank you! ... Regarding the Pearl Fightman portion at 16:56: Everything is correct about the revolutionary concepts. In actual fact the set was quickly discontinued due to a "confused market rejection" not due to "competitor bypass". Pearl was not releasing Fightman to compete with Simmons or Alesis or any other "stage" type electronic drumset. It was in a new complete class of it's own. "Silent Practice". In the 80's when drums were commanding the stage, sets were growing bigger by the day your neighbor's had pretty much dis-owned you if you played drums. Pearl saw a completely new market. Remember, we are talking about the same company that marketed the "Pearl Exports". That market inspired Pearl to design an entire revolutionary first ever drum set including the fully functional ABS hi hat and cymbals for practicing in silence. That's why it had an onboard metronome and, yes, a "cassette/cd player" line in and a 1/4" headphone jack. The price (not the technology) was the set's demise. List in Canada was approx $1450 for the complete FM-80 set. A cheaper version was available without the cymbals. I think the US FM-80 price was about $1200. Upon release in 1984 I was in sales at Drums Only which was the largest drum center on the planet. I thought the Fightman filled a huge gap because I was also running the teaching department. On release it appeared to make drumming available to all those who lived in apartments (no condos in those days). The issue was the cost. They didn't sell. A year later I bought all Pearl Fightman units in Canada through an exclusive agreement with Pearl and rented them to students and professionals who were travelling so they could practice in their hotels. In a nutshell Pearl was onto something. They knew what they had but the market and the retailers didn't. (Including Drums Only). They were incredibly resilient well made electronic drum sets that served a huge need. I made a deal with Pearl and bought all of Pearl's remaining Canadian stock (approximately 20 sets). I rented them for nearly 20 years. By the way, an overlooked feature of the set was that the bass drum had an extra output jack. all you needed was an phono cable and Pearl's add-on "FMB-80" bass trigger pad and stand and you had a double bass electronic set.
I can only imagine the amount research and hard work that went on making these two videos. And I guess these are the only two videos in all of internet explaining the history of edrums right down to every last detail. Amazing man!!!!
Thanks! I didn't know for sure if people would be interested in a series like this when I first started work on it a few months ago. I'm happy to hear you are enjoying the episodes!
All the research and hard work was done by the author of those two linked books ALEX GRAHAM...
@@alexgraham46 Mr Graham, you wrote two excellent books that I purchased and used during my research due to the solid information. In addition I got my information from reading oceans of articles from Sound On Sound, Modern Drummer Magazine, One Two Testing, Electronics & Music Maker, Music Technology, Electronic Sound Maker, International Musician & Recording World, Digital Drummer, and more. I went through tens of thousands of pages reading pretty much all the review articles I could find for all 50/60 years of edrums. As for books: The Complete Simmons Drum Book by Bob Henrit, Electronic Drums by Frank Vilardi, and All About Electronic Percussion were also very helpful. I referenced old videos on youtube include yours, and I spoke to the people behind several electronic drum companies for various parts of this series. I also purchased a small collection of vintage electronic drums of my own which I found helpful. I'm grateful for the hard work that you have done, you laid out the dates and many other helpful details. But you must also admit that you were also building off the work of others that came before you just like me. Your book The "Complete Simmons Drum Guide" was building off the foundation of "The Complete Simmons Drum Guide By Bob Hernit" before you. In your books you reference the same magazines and books I read while doing the research for this series. And as you've seen, I have an Amazon link to your books in every one of these videos. You are profiting off this documentary series and gaining new fans that might have never heard of you before. There's room for multiple books and videos about the history of edrums, we are all in the same electronic drum fan club.
@@65Drums absolutely I've been waiting for this since TH-cam came out excellent Justin
Justin. Fantastic recollection of the evolution of E- drums. Thanks for the clarification of ELP. For the old guys like me not mentioning Keith Emerson was kind of sacrilege, LOL. I strongly recommend you to listen their albums, especially Brain Salad Surgery and Tarkus . Thanks for your great channel
GREAT DOCUMENTARY. CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT PART😀 WOW!!! I CANT BELIEVE HOW MANY DIFFERENT ELECTRONIC DRUMS WERE OUT INDA 80s. 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
Cool. Thank you. I didn’t care for electronic drums back in the 80s, but appreciate them now.
I like how Simmons had a few different colours. You could get black, white, blue, red, or yellow.
I got an SDS-8 and like playing around with it. The pads are in good shape too.
Justin, thanks so much for this fantastic work you put into this video series. Enjoyed every second. Brilliant work.
Thanks Mike!
The old vintage simmons kits always looked cool. My first kit was my stepdads old simmons SDS 1000 drum brain and a red simmons 5 piece pad kit with 4 regular pads and kick. I think they were the SDS 200 pads. I donated them a while back because I wasn't using them but the analog synth drum sounds are really cool. Ana they look cool integrated in a acoustic setup.
Great video Justin. Sooo not much has changed since 1986. :) So many designs and ideas have stayed the same.
Justin again great work I'm really impressed you should be proud of all that hard work you did I actually still have my Simmons SDS 7 the full kit he'll probably keep it forever
😎👍Another awesome job Justin!
I can't wait for episode 3, the introduction of the MANDALA!
During this time I started my foray into the e kit drum world, first with the Multi Klone, then the Pearl Drum X.
So cool seeing that clip from Rock School!
This is a great vid. Especially for someone who remembers a lot of this!
That was my first set up - Casio ,and then a Casio translator into a Roland R70 around 91 . The Casio sounds were not good,but you could run each drum into a seperate board chanel and EQ and add effects to each drum. Started out with this to get a good( and loud ) bass drum sound with no feedback from the PA . It worked . I took a Casio pad and unscrewed it and mounted it in my bas drum so you could not tell it was electronic. I played on that same bass drum for 18 years - and that Casio pad never broke ! Used it 1,000's of times . Then I went from T-D 6 / T-10 /T-30 / Now I have had a T-50 for a few years . but to be honest I mostly recording via midi using VST's so a TD - 30 would have been good enough . And I have a killer acoustic set that I usually wind up using for live playing performing ,because other musicians and still against using electronic drums .
"The main unit, which you're leaning on."
"Sorry." - Continues to lean on it.
Thx ! Very intrest year by year EDrums history!!! 😊
I still have my Pearl SC-40 brain, pads too, but they are in rough shape.
A huge amount of effort and research must have went into making this Justin much more than my pea brain can absorb so I’ve watched it a few times lol
Extremely interesting I never new there were so many companies making this stuff and from so far back ! Thanks dude really appreciate the effort great vid 👍
21:15 - I have a Drumfire DF-500 - super fun and you can turn it into a five-oscillator drone synth.
Played one of the Simmons SDS kits back in the day. Don't recall which one specifically. Glad I didn't play on it a lot as it was like hitting floor tile -- with the tile not breaking. I did, however, have guys who owned them and gigged with them tell me that Simmons and other e-drums allowed them to play in many different venues without worrying about how their set would sound in that particular venue. It would usually sound pretty much the same. They liked that, but admitted they didn't like much else. Why guys recorded with them I'll never know.
Wow! 2 episodes and you still haven't gotten to my TD-10 yet!😂 Great series.
Fantastic,ty mate,been listening alot to Dreams by Van Halen lately due to the sad passing of Eddie,Alex used Simmons on that album 5150 but with a real snare and cymbals.
Alex use the Simmons before that, the bass drum of jump is a Simmons SDSV, he started using some sounds but in 5150 he embraced the Simmons completely.
The sound of the SDSV is unique!
Love the insight of this video! Anyway, please review nux dm7x it said to be the same level as roland kv series~
I like how in the 80's the e-Drums had to be something other round like acoustic kits!! That first one was a brand from W.Germany you can tell how old that is now being this is the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the iron curtain!!
I remember in 1986 my local music store had the Dynacord Add One with 8 pads, cables and rack for $5500. That’s about $14,000 in today’s money 2022! 😳
Yay! Been waiting! Loved the first one!
Sweet glad you enjoyed it! I have about 4 more episodes that will come out over the next 2 months
What an awesome series!
I play KAT3s. I never new the history of the company went that far back!
At 14:30 : Suzuki Motor Corporation did not produce drums - but Suzuki Musical Instrument Corporation did. There are more than one company in Japan with the name Suzuki.
My first listening of a Simmons drum kit was in 1982 on Jean Michel Jarre's Concerts in China (Shanghai and Peking in the late 1981) and it was like an awakeness for me! After then, as great fan of Genesis since 1981 on the album with same name and naturally here in central europe in the whole "Neue deutsche Welle" like on Spliff's album 85555. Unfortunately the style of this music was gone after 1985, then the charts were most dominated from US proletarian guitar sound rock music...
i love that Simmons made a ClapTrap
How do you not have a million subscribers
Thanks dude :) who knows maybe one day
Please do a video on cEvin Key from "skinny puppy". My musical hero, and especially the guy I think of when it comes to electronic drumming!
awesome
Thanks Justin!
Anyone know what kit Bobby Z from the Revolution was using in 1986 on the Parade tour? They were diamond shaped pads with a paisley finish. I'd imagine they were custom made but from who? Prior to that from 1983-85 he was using a Black Simmons SDSV w/Simmons SDSV Module, Linn LM-1 Drum Machine, Black Pearl Syncussion pads w/a Pearl Syncussion Module.
Hey! Thanks for including a clip of my DDRUM video. Surprised you didn't use a clip from my Pearl Fightman video. You left out the JL Cooper Sound Chest II (demo video on my channel). I've never seen the original "mk1" Sound Chest and it's my theory is that was the unit that was custom made for Terry Bozzio in Missing Persons.
One of the hardest parts of making this video series is finding enough video clips, thanks so much for uploading yours! I just didn't see your video during research, or I would have :)
IDK how many Parts there are ..But shouldn't there be a link to, at least, PT. 1 !?! I ask about this because I don't see PT 1, on your channel page. :)
I need to know what do you use for cleaning your rubber symbols on the TD 27 kit
Get off my module, talk show lady🤣That SDS9🤩
love it!!
You van make the paying surface of the Tama pads better if you cut the foam in halve where the ply wood rest so you can add some foam on top of the ply wood and have a better playing surface when using mesh heads.
I had a yellow sds 9. I wish I had those pads today. I had a Peavy amp that was heavy and almost worthless for volume.
the supports for the SDS-9 were also worthless, unless you had a drum rug. And then it still wasnt good.
The Rhythm Stick makes me think of Zendrums
I worked with Kat a few years ago, excellent products and service. Although, I think companies like this will always be trying to explain to musicians how controllers can expand their possibilities.
Now i am tiered of drumming
Honestly the drum brains back then where massive in comparison to these days
17:49 - "Pearl went a completely different direction with a new drum set the very next year."
Some things don't change, it seems.
Some things never change lol
@@65Drums Just finished watching - great job again man!
Thanks dude! That was version 10 of the video lol. Keep messing with it over and over
ROCK SCHOOL!! Completely forgot about that show...it was the closest I ever got to formal training, haha
th-cam.com/video/1-hwapgKmHc/w-d-xo.html
I was once strong-armed into ditching my drumming skills altogether and being replaced by a drum machine on recordings.
I figured that if I wasn’t actually playing on the recordings it would quash my ability to claim any performance royalties and therefore eliminate any chance of making money.
So I opted to fight the drum machine requests and played drums for real on the tracks.
What I didn’t know that it was already predetermined by others that I wasn’t in line for receiving any money anyway.
In fact, the band management screwed me over so bad that I ended receiving no money whatsoever, being signed on to the dole and having to pay another management company £1000 just to get out of a contract that I had been duped into signing without any explanation.
I’m still expected to remain friends with these people but as far as I’m concerned, they can all just……… off !
Can i use double bass on an Alesis Crimson 2 model?
Would you know if sweet water sound would carry that product
HECK YEA!
Early, And Awesome!
Rod Morgenstein was a Dynacord endorser, I think?
Carl Palmer was in EMERSON, Lake, and Palmer!!!!
ah, my favourite band, "Lake and Palmer"
Yes I left out the Emerson in Emerson Lake & Palmer
The E in ELP is for Emerson (Emerson Lake and Palmer). Check them out, you wont regret it👍
Every video has some mistake, leaving out Emerson was the one for the day 👍
@@65Drums I didn't intend to make a big deal about a mistake, sorry about that.
It's not a big deal. I just have to leave a pinned comment about it because for the next 5 years I will get people mentioning the mistake over and over again. But as long as I acknowledge the mistake, people will mostly stop mentioning it. It's just the way the internet works :)
What about the electronic drums used by the German band called Kraftwerk.
Regarding the electrification of acoustic drums (qv Devo), also check out Chris Cutler and Tony Oxley: th-cam.com/video/NfmyiVViOo0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/IevcM__ORto/w-d-xo.html ...if improvised music is to your taste.
Drum casio dz1 or r1
What? No mattel Synsonics?
That was in episode 1, this is episode 2
when I see what was possible in 1984, why is Roland not ashamed today?
Simmons SDS7 -- 99 problems but a kit ain't one.
I own an 8 piece set of space muffins, by boom theory, with a 0.0 brain great set I am selling them
to anyone interested.
Tom 3 is... ✨ weird ✨
That Casio e-kit was fugly!
Guitar pickups on drum heads? That doesn't make any sense
It's a direct quote from the guy. If I had to guess, maybe he's talking about Piezos. Some acoustic guitars use them, and so do electronic drums. Or maybe he's talking about a different sensor altogether it's hard to say for sure.
@@65Drums I agree with you that it was the quote, how much of a beating can a pizo take haha
@@Scrimjer Yeah they'd break if you hit them, but it's only an inch across. So if you put them under the head or to the far side you won't hit them 99% of the time
Early
Pfff you talk so fast it drums on my nerves.
The real drum is more feel and powerful. Sorry
A grand piano is also "more feel and powerful" than an electronic keyboard. They have different strengths. Just enjoy both of them
@@65Drums and acoustic guitar hey different field an electronic guitar just enjoyed both