ไม่สามารถเล่นวิดีโอนี้
ขออภัยในความไม่สะดวก
Objections To Justification by Faith
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 เม.ย. 2020
- Watch this newest sermon from Apologia Church. Pastor Jeff Durbin teaches a sermon on Justification by Faith Alone. This is part of a recent series of sermons in which Jeff and Dr. James White talk through some issues related to the grace of God in salvation. In this video, Jeff answers two common objections to salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ. He deals with James chapter 2 and another objection. We hope that this is an encouraging video to you and that you consider sharing it!
You can get more at apologiastudios.com. Be sure to like, share, and comment on this video. #ApologiaStudios
You can partner with us by signing up for All Access. When you do you make everything we do possible and you also get our TV show, After Show, and Apologia Academy. In our Academy you can take a courses on Christian apologetics and much more.
Follow us on social media here:
Facebook: / apologiastudios
Twitter: apologiastudios?l...
Instagram: apologiastu...
![[TH] VALORANT Champions Seoul - Group Stage Day 7 - FPX vs SEN](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HIJqH0h2zbE/mqdefault.jpg)
I appreciate your opening message. That is important to point out.
Great message thank you My Lord For delivering that message through Jeff 🙏
I've been blessed to find your church and Dr. White. Pray for me that I still be salty and able to provide fruit in these trying times. Although I am justified, I have great conviction to help those around me, I see much need around me and hope to be more effective/efficient!
Wow, this sermon is amazing! Thank you so much!
Excellent delivery! Thank you so much, Jeff.
Jesus loves you and died so you can have eternal life. Repent and turn to Him because He is coming soon! He loves you!
In my short 18 years of witnessing to Mormons, I have included imputation to my gospel message as a way around the faith vs. works debate. I tell them, "I am saved by works....however, the work is not my own. They are Jesus' works given to me." Thus, expiation AND imputation make the best gospel presentation.
Where do you get the idea that God does the believing for you?
@@newtestamentchristian6932 Nobody believes God "believes for us". Rather, he gives us faith. See Ephesians 2:8, “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God". Faith isn't imputed, rather, it's the instrument to receive the imputation of Christ's obedience.
@@BrandonCorley109 Explain why God commands us to believe then. 1 John 3:23-24
King James Version
23 *And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment*
24 *And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us*
@@newtestamentchristian6932 What is there to explain? God commands us to believe and faith is a gift.
@@BrandonCorley109 You said, "Nobody believes God believes for us" .
If God directly makes us believers. Then why would He command us to believe? Commands must be done by us.
God gives the command to repent, Acts 17:30.
Does God do the repenting? No, we must obey the command to repent.
Thank you pastor Jeff. I battle a nicotine addiction I've had many addictions I've overcome by the grace of GOD. Alcohol being the biggest problem I used to have. I'm trusting in Jesus to finish HIS work in me. I trust this too I can let go of it. 😞🙏
I read your comment a year ago. At the time I also was in your struggle. I have not smoked in around 6 months. How are you?
@@robertknight3354 still smoking after some failed attempts 😔 can you give me some tips that helped you?
@@marcilynn300 read the book easy way to quit smoking
Good to see these channels subs growing. I subbed at 23000.....Would love to see more debates.
Churches are closed here because most pastors dont have the guts to take a stand. Open up their doors. 😞
Faith should be an action verb, not a noun. God bless you guys! I love ALL of your videos!
Isn't the word " faith" = pistis?
@@friendlyfire7509 sorry my Greek is second to none
Can’t wait for the apologia church in Utah so excited to have a home church rooted in the word of God please let me know if any updates gb
23:05: "Justification" means: Being in right standing with GOd.
A random question that’s off topic to the sermon: what’s Apologia’s interpretation on Genesis 1?
Carlos Muller Young earth, literal six days.
James Willison They recognizance interpretation has to take genre into account. Since Genesis 1-11 are historical narrative, they interpret those chapters as such.
@@jwtrain Amen.
"FAITH in Christ by God's Grace alone" can be justified in God's Eyes if we are ALREADY dying in your bed or in the hospital, like the THIEF ON THE CROSS... but NOT while we still have TIME LIVING on Earth to practice the Law of Christ to do good deeds/works in our neighbors/foes alike...
After receiving "Faith in Christ by God's Grace we must/should "DO" (practice) Good Works/Deeds/Acts to be justified our Faith in Christ, just like the ACTS of the Apostles and Disciples who practice what they PREACH and what their FAITH in Christ is truly about before their martyrdom... They all BEAR FRUITS... Christ said, "IF YOU LOVE ME, FOLLOW AND OBEY MY TEACHINGS AND COMMANDMENTS."...
The English words "FOLLOW and OBEY" are both used as VERBS, which means to "DO" (practice) the "Law of Christ" by our (Good) ACTION/DEEDS/WORKS with the Help and Guidance of the Holy Spirit (the Comforter)... Amen.
People object to justification by faith? I thought the objection is to justification by belief alone?
I am not saved but I want to be so badly. I don't want anything of this world. I don't want money, fame etc. I want Jesus. I believe in Calvinistic theology as I grew up going to a Dutch reformed church. I think I am very well taught in theology but I am a "jerk". My mind wants to be saved but my heart and soul doesn't have anything that indicates any grief over my sins or the Holiness of God. I feel so lost. I am depressed. I want God but feel helpless as I have tried everything I can on my part to be saved. I know that I can't save myself but I can repent and try to believe, pray and read God's Word etc. Please pray for my salvation
Leandri Johnson “That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” Romans 10:9 There’s no more to it. Hope this helped
@@enriqueortiz131 What if I am not one of God's elect or if I have turned from Him to the point of not being saved. John 5:21-30 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."
Jonah 2:9 " But I with the voice of thanksgiving will sacrifice to you; what I have vowed I will pay. Salvation belongs to the Lord !”
Leandri Johnson Do you want to be be saved?
@@enriqueortiz131 yes
"They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work."
Titus 1:16
I'm scared that this is me
In his commentary on Galatians Calvin stated "It is not our doctrine that the faith which justifies is alone. We maintain that it is always joined with good works. But we contend that faith avails by itself for justification….When we debate justification, however, we exclude all works...when you discuss justification beware of allowing any mention of love or of works but resolutely hold on to the exclusive adverb."
Even calvin didn't really have enough faith alone in Luther 🤣. But just wanted to lie about it. What about you Durbin?
Citation of exactly where this can be found would be helpful.
First off I am not a Catholic and if some of this is incorrect I apologize but I just don't understand why he twists some scripture and glances over others that show Abraham's works of obedience of faith. Not works of deeds of the law which is talking about the flesh. Paul said the whole purpose of his ministry, the gospel, was to bring about obedience of the Gentiles.
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the Lord; It does not say he believed what God said to him at that moment. Why is this important? He tries to say Abraham was blessed only by his faith which is a lie. We are called, created for good works of obedience of love that must be with our faith. We cannot be saved if we continue in sin. Gal 3, the gospel of Christ crucified was preached to Abraham. That was his faith. Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Romans 4:... but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham,... Again, he skips right over Abrahams obedience because he believes in the nonsense that God only sees Christ's righteousness not our own and that we are incapable of righteousness.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous
We must walk in righteousness to be righteous before God. Our past sins are forgiven by Christ's righteousness. We are a new creation and we walk in righteousness. We walk in the righteousness of the law as Christ walked. Rom 8. Never on our own for without him we can do nothing but it is not his righteousness, John 15.
To think that we are justified once and forever is nonsense. It is not once and done, it is a walk, it is a narrow and hard path to follow and work out. Paul was not just talking about our sanctification, he was talking about our salvation. Only the doers of the law shall be justified. He blew right over that also. Only those who do not sin and walk in obedience shall be saved. Read Ezekiel 18 if you think you are not condemned by your sin or that you cannot fall off the path. Read Heb 3 and 4 if you want to know what the Sabbath commandment is really about. It is about falling from grace. It is a warning.
Thank you.
Notice that Abraham is reckoned righteous before he was ever circumcised or had done any other work/act of faith in Genesis 15. This was a reckoning. Not an infusion, not half-now half-later. Right there his belief was reckoned, it was finished, a done deal. That doesn't mean that we aren't to continue walking in faith afterward, but perfection is impossible. But to say that keeping our salvation is entirely up to us afterward completely nullifies Christ saying that He would lose none of His sheep. If it was all up to us, He couldn't guarantee that.
My understanding of "Justification by Faith Alone (Sola Fide)" means thru the Grace of God, "FAITH" (not work) must come FIRST "alone" before "GOOD WORKS" (Charity of Love/Deeds) that are pleasing in the sight of God, begins/starts...
It can not be WORK alone first before FAITH or both Faith and Work thru Grace justifies us at "the same time"... Our Faith Alone in God must come "FIRST" to each individual, then through our Faith in God... the FRUITS of Good Works (Charity of Love/Deeds) will manifest or reflect on us thru the grace of God in Christ Jesus as "EVIDENCE" to our Faith... Yes, it is true... the Bible said, "FAITH without WORK is a dead faith"... but it did not say,... "WORK without FAITH is a dead work."... Christ said, No works/deeds of man can be justified in the sight of God unless Faith thru Grace of God must come first to man... and that Faith is thru HIs Son, Christ Jesus... after that, our Charity of Love/Deeds begins/starts throughout our life in Christ and that is where our DEEDS will be judged by God on His Judgement Day (Rev. 20:12 / Roman 2:6/14:10-12)...
Therefore, FAITH "alone" must come FIRST before Good Works (Charity of Love/Deeds) begins/starts for those who truly repented and believe in God... Can not be the other way around... Amen.
Faith May come first, but by itself, it does not justify.
@@Mkvine Sorry, but that is not how FAITH in Christ works, ...Yes, it is true that FAITH must/should come first, but it does not come by our own initiative only but by the "Grace of God"... After we receive our FAITH in Christ thru God's Grace... How?... thru Belief in Christ, Repentance, and Water Baptism in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... now, is the time, to practice our FAITH in Christ, by following/obeying the Law of Christ (Teachings and Commandments) with the guidance of the Holy Spirit... For a Faith without Good Works/Acts/Deeds, like the Acts of the Apostles, is a "DEAD FAITH"... We who have Faith in Christ thru God's Grace must/should BEAR FRUITS, if not, the Gardener (God) will cut off (remove) any Branches (Believers) attached to the VINE (Christ) that does not BEAR FRUITS after been PRUNED and throw them to the fire (hell = not saved)... Amen.
The VINE (Christ) can not remove any branches attached to the VINE (in Christ's Hands) but the Gardener (Father God) can... Amen.
@@jvlp2046 I don’t disagree with any of that. My point is that faith alone does not justify.
@@Mkvine "FAITH in Christ by God's Grace alone" can be justified in God's Eyes if we are ALREADY dying in your bed or in hospital, like the THIEF ON THE CROSS... but NOT while we still have TIME LIVING on Earth to practice the Law of Christ to do good deeds/works in our neighbors/foes alike...
After receiving "Faith in Christ by God's Grace we must/should "DO" (practice) Good Works to be justified our Faith in Christ, just like the ACTS of the Apostles and Disciples who practice what they PREACH and what their FAITH in Christ is truly about before their martyrdom... They all BEAR FRUITS... Christ said, "IF YOU LOVE ME, FOLLOW AND OBEY MY TEACHINGS AND COMMANDMENTS."...
The English words "FOLLOW and OBEY" are both used as VERBS, which means to "DO" (practice) the "Law of Christ" by our (Good) ACTION/DEEDS/WORKS with the Help and Guidance of the Holy Spirit (the Comforter)... Amen.
@@jvlp2046 I agree with most of this, I only disagree with faith “alone.” In your example of a person on their deathbed, where works are totally excluded, I’m saying that even in that scenario it’s still not faith alone. Exclusion of works does not equal faith alone. Do you understand what I’m saying?
He, that endures, till the end, shall be saved.....Mt 24.13.....these conversations become tiring as the Bible seems to say two things....so which side will you settle on....
What is apologetics what are you apologizing for?
This person posts this same message on almost all the messages here. I'm not really sure why though.
faith produces...fruit....Galatians, and works, James.....get used to it....no fruits, no works, no salvation....
Words from our blessed Lord
Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of me will find it. 26 For what will it benefit someone if he gains the whole world yet loses his life? Or what will anyone give in exchange for his life? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will reward each according to what he has done.”
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?' 23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you lawbreakers! ’
How do those refute sola fide? John 6:40 says the will of the Father is for people to believe in Jesus. Those who trust in Christ have his righteousness imputed into them.
You started off by saying you should be at a local Church. I'm a teenager and I've grown up Catholic but now I'm a true Christian. I don't have a church to go to. what should i do?
Find a reformed baptist church in your area.
@@MegaTigers01 when I was I. the Catholic Church they had the Catechism. In the Baptist Church do they have a book other than the Bible used for doctrines?
@@aidank2108 some might
From one young person to another: youtube is your best friend, especially in the times of 'rona. Check out Zac Poonen.
Find a Reformed Baptist/Presbyterian church in your town. Use google to help ya!
How do you, as a Christian, handle the fact that the Bible contains contradictions. In your view, does that have implications for inerrancy? Question open to all willing to have a civil discussion.
The word "fact" is an interesting word to use in your question to me. There actually aren't any proven facts that the bible has contradictions in it as it has been the most scrutinized book of all time by both believers and non. The bible isn't a book that you can open and read as you would an encyclopedia, its a Spiritual book that is God communicating truths to those who want to hear and understand them. To read it with YOUR understanding of what and how things should go is missing the point of hearing from Him. I would ask you "how you handle the fact that this Bible causes masses of peoples lives to be transformed by something not tangible or seen to the point they would die tragic deaths for. Would you be willing to die for your belief?
@@OUGMJacquelineSmith What you last wrote is similar to something I might have said a few years ago. I used to think there were no contradiction or serious errors in the Bible. How could it have them, it is God's word. Bu, that is simply not correct. There are significant contradictions and errors all through the Old and New Testaments.
It is a fact that the Bible says the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt. It turns out, this is not true. Jewish archeologists have tried for a long time to evidence of Hebrews in Egypt. There is none. There is also zero evidence they ever wandered in the desert. I just did not happen
the Bible claims Abraham had camels, but camels were not domesticated until much later.
In the New Testament, it claims Quirinius was the governor when Jesus was born, but it was actually S. Sentius Saturninus. The Romans kept impeccable records; we know about this mistake in the Bible and there is zero reason to think there was a large census at this time. The Romans would have recorded it. It just did not happen.
There are more mistaken factual claims in the Bible. I suggest reading about them from non-biased sources. Look them up, don’t take my word for it and don’t just go to some Christian website where they try to debunk these claims. Actually do the honest research for yourself.
@@vilicus77 Consider watching Patterns of Evidence: Exodus. If you wish I can buy and send it to you privately.
Have you heard of the contradiction in the Gospels about Jesus and the blind man? In one Gospel, Jesus is leaving Jericho, in the other he is entering. In the 1800s an archeologist discovered Rome had 2 Jerichos. A small one, built on top of the ancient destroyed one, and a larger one rebuilt by Rome. For 1800s the Bible had a contradiction that appeared impossible to resolve.
@@michaelharrington6698 How about watching TH-cam videos, you actually do real research and study this stuff in a university.
@@vilicus77 Excuse me?
"In repentance and rest is your salvation; in quietness and trust is your strength -- but YOU would have none of it." "Lord, Lord, did WE not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"
Read Deuteronomy 7. Who are God's holy covenant people forever, his church? Those that are in the Spirit who love him and keep his commandments. Jeff mentions obedience as our sanctification but that is wrong. He never mentions love, the whole purpose, good works of love, of obedience, of worship, for which God created us to glorify him in the first place.
Just saying it seems very strange to talk about faith alone without love when the bible says faith, even great faith, without love, is nothing.
What is so ironic to me is that the main motivation for saying "no good works" seems to be protect against pride, boasting, glorifying in oneself. Yet the tone of the speaker, to my ear, is overflowing with 'self-righteousness'...
47:06 - What is Jeff's reasoning that James is wisdom literature and Paul's letters are not? There is certainly nothing within the texts that differentiate them. And James uses the word "justified." That is a problem for you.
Yep especially since James mentions faith and those aspects in the eyes of God. Calvin and luther were devilish men look at what they did in history, gave advice to commit bigamy (luther) in regards to Philip Hesse. Calvin had Servetus killed. Reformed folks need to drop these evil reformers and just follow the good ones like erasmus and Sebastian Castellio
@Ethan Strunk
You are missing key facts on PURPOSE to whitewash the evil works of these men. In the name of Jesus and on his authority I rebuke you and demand by his authority to stop it, REPENT and flee from these evil men.
Calvin warned servetus he'd have him killed if he came to Geneva, he had him arrested he could have just let him go, but no...he NEVER repented of it and ENCOURAGED others to do the same with ppl that had heretical views.
As for luther actions speak louder than words he encouraged bigamy with his friend Philip Hesse. Even erasmus (who wanted reform from within) complained about the immorality of the reformers and said luther was being an utter hypocrite.
BOTH these men will be burning in hell, I assure you that my friend.
@Ethan Strunk 💯!!! Praise God!
@@ThruTheUnknown I didn’t hear Durban read anything Calvin wrote today, Philippians is a letter from Paul.
@@tricord2939
It is doctrine (justification by faith alone) that came from these men that Jeff has been led astray by.
James 2:21-22 CSB
Wasn’t Abraham our father justified by works in offering Isaac his son on the altar? [22] You see that faith was active together with his works, and by works, faith was made complete,
James 2:24 CSB
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
No. Pure faith. Even if it was solely based on that event...the actual sacrifice completion would've been the work in question. The willingness to OFFER was faith.
Even if at that point the son be killed in sacrifice it wasn't the death work that blessed him. It was the faith that would lead him to act. That very belief of faith in God was the catalyst.
James 2:20-21 (NASB95): 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
No he was justified by faith.
Genesis 15:6 (NASB95): Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
Works only prove you have faith, but not to God for none may boast.
34:14 Jeff - you are making fun of Latter-day Saint missionaries for being "trained" while you are doing that very thing with your congregation.
From my perspective Jeff wasn't making fun of LDS missionaries.
Let's say he was making fun. Even if he was, it was not directed at the fact that they were trained. Jeff was primarily talking about the contents of what they are being trained in. And that is different from objecting to any kind of training at all as you are suggesting.
@@ianyimiah Since you nor he have never observed how they are trained you don't have any business criticizing their training. When I was a missionary in the 90s we were "trained" to learn and discuss the context and background of scriptures that we used while teaching. And, again, please note that this sermon is "training" the congregation to evangelize, which is really no different that missionary training.
@@emilywilson9142 Again, the point of contention is not about being trained. There is nothing inherently bad about being trained. However, issues arise when the contents of the training is faulty and not biblical.
It is not Biblical to teach that we are justified by works. That is the major issue here.
I am aware you may not agree with me on this and if that is so you are indirectly doing the same thing Jeff is doing. Because you'd have to say that it is wrong of Jeff to train his people in these teachings you don't subscribe to; which is exactly what Jeff did by pointing out the faults in Justification by works.
If he was mocking the fact that they are being trained, then he’s mocking every human that ever lived since we are all trained/being trained in something. So is that his argument? We should call him a hypocrite right? Well he wasn’t saying that. He’s talking about the content they are being trained in.
If you’re a Mormon then I understand your frustration here. But as a Christian we should always be ready to approach our Mormon friends with the true gospel.
That beard is something to boast about.
To be precise: that beard is a good thing, therefore a gift from God. Jeff didn't give himself a beard. You find a lot of adolescent young men who can't grow a beard for the life of them.
hahaha, I hope you don't mind but I'm one for particulars.
But actually, a human being _is_ responsible for what they _do_ in the eyes of God. A sinner is not off the hook for sin just because they say they believe. No obedience? No good deeds? No righteousness? No cooperation? What utter non-sense. Jesus said: _Keep my commandments._ Those who do not keep the commandments will be cut off from the vine and thrown in the fire. Luke 6: 46-49:
"Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not _do_ what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and _puts them into practice,_ I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete."
The speaker is building up listeners on an empty doctrine. They are being set up for destruction. Caveat emptor.
If Luke 6 was being taken literally, we would all be condemned to hell. No can keep all of the commandments. That's why we need Christ. He gives us the perfect life we should have lived and He took our sin upon Himself on the cross. Believing in that and trusting in Him being who He says is what leads to eternal life. Works do not save. If they did, then He never needed to die.
None are justified by works, if possible to be justified by the law then Christ died in vain. Saved are saved by grace, if you foolish fellow think grace has your works, then it's not grace. Works only prove you have faith, works don't mean anything.
Our best deeds are filthy rags
35:13 Jeff - why do you think you need to make Latter-day Saints appear to be stupid and ignorant? This is a very self-serving monologue for you. I'm sure the videos of Latter-day Saints that do well in your conversations don't make it to your TH-cam channel.
He didn't do that. At all. In fact he stopped the sermon, rolled it back and slowed it down for his OWN congregation. Certainly he wasn't showing them how "stupid" they are either.
He was explaining that MOST of the LDS he goes and talks to cannot tell him context of James. That's His experience. If you take that to mean that those individuals are "STUPID" then you are in the wrong place. Pastor Jeff isn't saying that and neither are we.
Many people are mislead. Many others are ill informed.
Many are suffering from lack of interest.
Many have obstacles in life. We aren't here to lay "STUPID" on anybody. Each of us has started in a place we are far from now, by grace of God.
Protestant beliefs are contradictory and self refuting which means it cannot be of God.
Belief 1) Good works is only a fruit or sign of salvation
Belief 2) Man will always produce bad fruit (sin)
Conclusion: No Protestant is saved because they will always produce bad fruit
🤣
We are not saved by faith alone. Faith alone salvation is a heresy which can not be found anywhere in the Bible. Jesus taught the necessity of the Sacraments for Salvation in Mark 16:16 and John 20:19-23 and John 6:50-59. Challenge yourself to find just one protestant in the New Testament Church that was saved without a Catholic Sacrament. The model for Salvation can be read in Acts 2:36-42. You will see here that people heard the Gospel preached by an authentic Bishop of the Catholic Church. These people believed upon this Gospel because of the authenticity of the one who preached it - however, they knew that they were not saved by their faith alone. So they asked the Bishop, St. Peter, what else must be done and St. Peter told them that they must REPENT OF THEIR SINS AND RECEIVE THE CATHOLIC SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM for the forgiveness of their sins and then - and only then - will they receive the Holy Spirit. That is the simplicity of the Gospel, and then you can see that about 3000 people were saved this way, and then they DEVOTED themselves to the MASS which is the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the Breaking of Bread and the prayers. Only Catholics DEVOTE themselves to the Breaking of the Bread and to the prayers of the Mass. This is Biblical Salvation. Amen, and may God bless each of you on your journey of FAITH.
A person whose username has purgatory in it talking to protestants about heresy? It's too sad to laugh...
@@douglasmcnay644 Hmmm............I don't get it. Doesn't the Church that Christ founded teach what He taught, that Purgatory is a dogmatic teaching of the Faith?
Peace be with you
Protestants do not seem to know what Faith is.
Faith is listening to Jesus Christ and doing what he teaches.
St Paul tells us
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:14-17)
So to have faith we must listen to Jesus
And Jesus tells us
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. (Luke 6:46-49)
So to have faith we must do as Jesus says
Jesus also says
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (John 14:12)
This is why scripture tells us.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9)
Faith is not a transitory thing that we have one day and are saved but something we must maintain throughout our lives through our love and obedience to Christ as he tells us.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matt 14:12-14)
I hope this helps for unless the Gospel we teach has as abiding in the teaching of Christ it is false for it does not have God.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9)
For faith to provide Grace it cannot be alone, it must be accompanied in the Hope of Christ promises and the Substance that Hope requires
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Heb 11:1)
That substance comes from Love through which our faith must be worked.
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. (Gal 5:6)
Without Love no matter how much faith we have we are nothing.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. (1 Cor 13:2)
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21)
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (John 14:23-24)
God bless you
It appears you don't know what Reformed Protestants believe. So your initial comment is invalid.
retroGRAD3
Peace be with you
True, I only know what they tell me.
I only know what they are willing to argue despite what scripture says.
They all to a person tell me obedience is unnecessary for salvation. (Heb 5:8-9)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Those aren't Christians then. If someone is truly saved, the Spirit will enable them to live a life that is in obedience to God's law. However, that obedience is not a means to salvation, but the natural outpouring of salvation. This also though does not mean anyone is perfect in this life. Sanctification is a lifelong process, but it SHOULD be a process that is visible.
@@retrograd332
Peace be with you
I agree, i do not think they are Christians but they say they are.
Faith alone is a gospel of apathy for it leads people to think they do not have to love God and they do not have to obey him.
It is antibiblical.
We are not saved by our obedience but by Jesus Christ but do not get it mixed up he will save those who obey him.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9)
God bless you
MrKev1664 interpret this for me please? I’m thinking about becoming a Christian
“Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.””
Romans 4:4-8
That moment when you realize Martin Luther added the word “alone” in Romans that word had never been. Awkward 😬
@@covenantfue66 You're denying that luther added alone to his German translation. Are you that stubborn that you're goona straight up lie to someone. Turn from your deception and trust in Christ
@@DougWarner25 No. I was trying to show you that other christians before Luther used the word alone in the context of the text. Did you read the article? It seems you did not by the way you are responding. Not sure, but are you Roman Catholic? You sound RC. Here is another link if you are interested: beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2006/02/luther-added-word-alone-to-romans-328.html
William Fuentes so say a word that was not in scripture for hundreds of years that would confuse a lot of believers? Doesn’t add up, especially since the word didn’t exist before Luther’s translation. Today, the Catholic Bible still doesn’t include it and other Protestant bibles didn’t include it until the late 19th century.
First of all Luther is not the pope for Protestants. Second, I don't see many bibles translating it like that especially when we have so many manuscripts available. Third, we are not confused. The context of the text allows for an interpretation consistent with what we believe about justification. @@kyz8390
William Fuentes I cant and won’t speak for Christians before Luther’s translation and what they thought of grace versus faith versus works. The reality is though many modern translations include faith “alone” in Romans. Does that emphasize what perhaps was a more true translation of the Greek? Maybe I’m not sure, but before him that word wasn’t there.
Ha! "look out for those who mutilate the flesh, FOR WE ARE THE CIRCUMCISION. The irony.
Protestant beliefs are contradictory and self refuting which means it cannot be of God.
Belief 1) Good works is only a fruit or sign of salvation
Belief 2) Man will always produce bad fruit (sin)
Conclusion: No Protestant is saved because they will always produce bad fruit
Sounds like you need to crack open a Bible (possibly for the first time, from the sound of it) instead of listening to Rome.
Good fruits comes from the Holy Spirit working in and through a man who has believed in Jesus. (John 3:16). God bless!