Answering Objections To Calvinism w/Jeff Durbin

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  • @paulinesharp7717
    @paulinesharp7717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Wow thank you Jeff for putting that across so clearly. We are saved by Grace not by works. Humility knowing God chose us.

    • @gidgouws
      @gidgouws 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      faith without works is dead. "This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus" Rev 14:12. Gods commands are eternal and it is a sign between him and his people.

    • @kyleharris9456
      @kyleharris9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Anthony Isreal rabbi!!! have you brought the good news of racist black Jesus again???

    • @kyleharris9456
      @kyleharris9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Anthony Isreal your embarrassing yourself. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @kyleharris9456
      @kyleharris9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Anthony Isreal (Anthony 2:25) and black Jesus said “you heard it was said go and preach the Good news to all nations, but I say to you, I am a black racist and I have only came to save other black people....and huh darker skinned races like Mexican and Indians, if they are dark, not the fair skinned ones. Go therefore, and tell all white people who have not sun bathed that they are going to hell”.

    • @ryanadams5719
      @ryanadams5719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Anthony Isreal .....LEVITICUS 18:21
      You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.
      LEVITICUS 18:29 For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people.
      I wonder if it is even possible to research what “ethnic Israelites” from exactly which of the 12 tribes,have been “cut off from among their people” because of God’s promises in generations past?
      I think it is safe to say that at least one household from among each tribe.....which says something about the families from those households following forward to now.....
      How do You know whether or not one of Your direct ancestors profaned the name of God.....and was cut off from amongst God’s people 2700 years ago?He and His household......meaning You and Your household......See there is only ONE WAY to get around the condition of ALL of humanity.....You are in the same boat as everyone else......CUT OFF from the people of GOD from birth.....The ONLY reconciliation to GOD is through the atoning blood of Jesus.
      Not to be a jerk....but if the sacrifice of Israelite children is an offense that God takes so seriously as to cut off the Israelite offender from His people......There is a lot to consider on the topic of aborting masses of unborn children among the black community.....the statistics are a sobering reminder of just how “cut off” ALL generations must be.....I don’t think We want to really put any trust of faith in bloodlines......because the truth of the matter is all of humanity is cut off apart from Christ!
      ANY time,ANY people claim special standing with God, that is based on ANY human quality or natural birth position.....The claim is NONSENSE and the system is false.

  • @peterscott8534
    @peterscott8534 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you guys for doing this very controversial subject. I have been challenged, confronted with my own traditions, liberated in areas, and able to see the beauty of these truths by you boldness and humility. I am a associate pastor in a charismatic church and so loved by God’s grace in salvation and His sovereignty. Thank you for what you do and keep preaching truth!

  • @Pastor-Brettbyfaith
    @Pastor-Brettbyfaith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pastor Jeff,
    I have heard your testimony in messages past. We have a similar testimony in that our understanding has come from the word of God alone. I never read anything from any theologians for the first 15 years of my walk with Christ. My doctrine was formed by the Holy Spirit, through scripture alone. When I read my first book on theology, it was Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem. I swore he stole my notes.
    This series has been an absolute blessing. I thank the Lord Jesus for the call that he has placed upon you. Stay in the word my brother, and the word will come out of you. You are loved and sincerely appreciated. May the grace of God keep you on the path of righteousness, for His name sake! Psalm 1

  • @mothermovementa
    @mothermovementa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Literally, I've always said only god is 100% Free.

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
      Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
      Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
      Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
      John 17
      3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
      RSV
      Only-monos
      God-theos
      Monos theos
      Monotheism
      The Father
      Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
      Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
      Jesus has a God!
      Jesus died!
      God can’t die!
      God raised Jesus from the dead!

    • @kyleharris9456
      @kyleharris9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mitchell C “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
      ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭

    • @5ivepoints18
      @5ivepoints18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mitchellc4 Jesus said He & the Father were 1!(John 10:30)
      Jesus said before Abraham was "I AM" (which is God's name) & the Jews tried to stone Him for blasphemy, they knew he was calling himself God. (John 8:58)
      Only God gives life & Jesus raised people from the dead.
      Only God is eternal yet Jesus said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." (John 17:5)
      Jesus said He laid down His life & picked it up again (John 10:17) He died to pay the penalty for the sins of His elect. Yet death could not hold him because HE IS GOD!

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@5ivepoints18
      Jesus prays that believers be one with him and the Father in John 27, are believers God too then???
      No Jesus didn’t use Exodus 3 in John 8
      Jesus said before Abraham was born “ego eimi” which means I am he
      Multiple people say ego eimi in the New Testament, but you’re not saying they are God?
      The blind man who was healed said it
      John 9
      9 Some said, “It is he”; others said, “No, but he is like him.” He said, “I am the man.”
      I am the man= ego eimi
      The blind man just said ego eimi, did he just refer to Exodus and claim to be God?? Of course not
      I believe in the Greek translation of Exodus it says
      “Ego eimi HO ON”
      Tell them “HO ON” has sent you (I Am has sent you)
      Had Jesus said HO ON you may have a point, but he didn’t
      Who is the God OF Jesus??
      Eph 1
      3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
      1 Pet 1
      3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    • @jasonseyo2021
      @jasonseyo2021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mitchellc4 what do you suppose is meant then by the phrase, before Abraham was I AM? Is he saying he was just a dude hanging out from all eternity?

  • @A1vin505
    @A1vin505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Abso loved this. The power isn’t in us but in Him.

  • @donclowers7666
    @donclowers7666 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The discussion about how the gospel was proclaimed n Acts was helpful. Thanks!

  • @TheMrjt09
    @TheMrjt09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This sealed the deal for me. No more questions or objections to this or that. Scripture settles all if you truly have a love for Truth. Thank you Lord.

    • @destinycharles2237
      @destinycharles2237 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly! I now personally refuse to be "no the fence" anymore about things very clearly decided on in the Bible. Be neutral for what?

    • @destinycharles2237
      @destinycharles2237 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emilywilson9632 What do you mean? Can you explain your thought please?

    • @theresa263
      @theresa263 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Certain scriptures do, but then you have to accept God made man to be a little cosmic play and when you sin, that too was predetermined by God. He cannot plan evil, that is against His nature. It's both Calvinism and Arminianism simultaneously.

    • @tricord2939
      @tricord2939 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theresa263Incorrect.

  • @mel8469
    @mel8469 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bless the LORD ❤

  • @LiquidTree555
    @LiquidTree555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    It's pretty simple, Jesus said it 2 times in John....NO MAN can come to Jesus unless the Father draw him.

    • @raybritzel1719
      @raybritzel1719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And if you haven't done so already, then check the meaning of the Greek word translated as "draw". Suffice to say that it isn't describing a gentle wooing.

    • @JosephCarbis
      @JosephCarbis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      It says no one “can” come unless drawn. It does not say “will come” John 12:32 says all are drawn.

    • @MrWise_Christian
      @MrWise_Christian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      God draws all men.
      You have to place your faith in the word of God for salvation. God doesn't do it for you.

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
      Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
      Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
      Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
      John 17
      3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
      RSV
      Only-monos
      God-theos
      Monos theos
      Monotheism
      The Father
      Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
      Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
      Jesus has a God!
      Jesus died!
      God can’t die!
      God raised Jesus from the dead!

    • @MrWise_Christian
      @MrWise_Christian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@mitchellc4
      Hebrews ch1:
      "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"... *"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"*
      *THE FATHER in hebrews 1 said JESUS IS GOD.*
      John ch2vs19:
      "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
      Jesus rose himself from the dead, The father also raised Jesus from the dead, The Holy Spirit also raised Jesus from the dead.
      The YHWH, these 3 are 1 raised Jesus from the dead.
      Jesus rose himself from the dead. So obviously he was fully man and dead, and also fully God and had life within himself.

  • @Sidney051
    @Sidney051 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing preaching and what an amazing grace we have in Jesus that saved a wretch like me!!

    • @Mike-qt7jp
      @Mike-qt7jp ปีที่แล้ว

      Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."

    • @Sidney051
      @Sidney051 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mike-qt7jp Ok.

    • @Sidney051
      @Sidney051 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mike-qt7jp I have a question for you. If our eternal destination is not determined by God then why are there going to be people going to hell that call Jesus lord? They clearly think Jesus is their Lord. I know you are going to say it’s because they didn’t really believe and that’s why true believers believe that some people that claim to be saved will not go to heaven. It’s because they think they have really believed but they really haven’t and the reason why is because they will not repent and turn to follow the true and living God. Their lack of understanding keeps them from ever coming to a knowledge of the truth. People always like to quote Ephesians 2:8-9 but they never quote 10 and the reason why is because verse 10 says that we were are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. A person dead in trespasses and sins cannot give themself eternal life. Read Acts chapter 8. There were some people in Samaria that heard the preaching of the word of God concerning Jesus Christ and the Bible says when they heard the gospel they believed and were then baptized but they had not received the Holy Spirit yet and if you keep reading in chapter 8 of Acts it says that those Samarians hadn’t received the Holy Spirit yet until Peter and John came to Samaria and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. If salvation occurred the very second someone believes the gospel like so many false prophets teach then why did John and Peter have to pray to God for the Samaritans to receive the Holy Spirit. I will answer that question for you. It’s because salvation is not a formula. The Holy Spirit is God’s spirit and He saves who He wants to and when He wants to. Now if you read Acts chapter 8 verses 9-23 it says there was a sorcerer named Simon who astonished people great and small with his magic and it says that when he heard the preaching he also believed and got baptized but he to was one of the people that hadn’t yet received the Holy Spirit yet. If you look at verse 18 it says that Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles hands the Holy Spirit was given he offered Peter and John money for that power so anyone he too laid his hands on he could give them the Holy Spirit and it says Peter rebuked Simon and told him that he was poisoned with bitterness and bound with iniquity and Peter told him to repent of that iniquity and pray to God to forgive him of the sinfulness of his heart.

  • @brucemercerblamelessshamel3104
    @brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the gospel is not a command. it is Good News. our RESPONCE is commanded

    • @keith3362
      @keith3362 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      According to this guy we get no choice either way it goes.

    • @Mr.C-Mister
      @Mr.C-Mister ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can't command when God forces you to either respond or not respond since Calvinist make him to be all sovereign to the point of making you do everything.

    • @jakubkrticka1040
      @jakubkrticka1040 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Repent and believe is not a command?
      Its a suggestion? Or opinion?

    • @alakazoom87
      @alakazoom87 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      God is sovereign over our salvation, and we are responsible for our choice. Both are true, and we won't understand it on this side of eternity.

  • @johncollier3175
    @johncollier3175 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I LOVE THE TRUE WORD OF GOD !

  • @monew632
    @monew632 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Praise God for the faithful teaching of His Word! 🙌🏽

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
      Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
      Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
      Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
      John 17
      3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
      RSV
      Only-monos
      God-theos
      Monos theos
      Monotheism
      The Father
      Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
      Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
      Jesus has a God!
      Jesus died!
      God can’t die!
      God raised Jesus from the dead!

    • @kyleharris9456
      @kyleharris9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mitchell C “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
      ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kyle harris
      So you read that as
      “God was in the form of God but God didn’t try to equal to God”

    • @kyleharris9456
      @kyleharris9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mitchell C what does it mean too you that Jesus was in the form of God, and equal to God. Is Paul committing blasphemy? This couldn’t be more clear...It makes perfect sense if you worship the triune God of scripture.

  • @waynehumber8906
    @waynehumber8906 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent message dear brother. I've never heard anyone ever say that they chose God with any sort of spiritual maturity.
    God bless you and yours.

    • @Mike-qt7jp
      @Mike-qt7jp ปีที่แล้ว

      Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."

  • @spiritandtruth7421
    @spiritandtruth7421 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    God does not need my permission to save me.

    • @ironlion805
      @ironlion805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I know you aren’t saying it directly, but it seems like an echo of Jeff that non-calvinists do say this. But, who ever says that?
      There is not one legitimate argument from a non-calvinist that assumes this or even implies it.

    • @thewatchzealot
      @thewatchzealot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Truth!

    • @FelipeSxy01
      @FelipeSxy01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@ironlion805 "God will save you only if you are willing" is the common arminian thought

    • @ironlion805
      @ironlion805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Repent & Believe in Jesus that is false. God saves those who trust and place their faith in him, those who repent and believe as the Bible teaches. It is entirely dependent on God’s gracious, redemptive work of the cross.

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Apparently he does (if you follow pretty much any denomination other than Calvinism).

  • @robertfish5904
    @robertfish5904 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Big difference between all knowing and all controlling. ❤❤❤❤

  • @justinrobicheau4788
    @justinrobicheau4788 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really enjoyed this series on the doctrines of grace. Thank you Jeff and James for doing this. I am a 5 point Calvinist because of this series. It's biblical it's in Scripture. 😎🙏🔥

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So is gouging out your eye if look at a woman with lust.

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
      Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
      Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
      Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
      John 17
      3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
      RSV
      Only-monos
      God-theos
      Monos theos
      Monotheism
      The Father
      Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
      Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
      Jesus has a God!
      Jesus died!
      God can’t die!
      God raised Jesus from the dead!

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ms. Anthrope
      What is unbiblical??

  • @leahannewoods6170
    @leahannewoods6170 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much!!!!!

  • @candoallthings6748
    @candoallthings6748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I Jeff’s videos popped up on my TH-cam and I love to see him giving the word to the Mormons I didn’t hear him say anything wrong buuuuut calvanism is wrong if you believe you don’t have free will and can’t loose salvation that’s wrong and for someone to say you study and consistency and you can preach that is not right at all.
    Romans11
    19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, [d]goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
    This doesn’t mean we can’t have peace and assurance in our salvation, Gods Will is for us to have free will and not be robots. God chooses everyone but everyone doesn’t choose God.

    • @5ivepoints18
      @5ivepoints18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When does your will become free?
      We are all born under sin are we not? Therefore we are born slaves to sin, unable to please God or choose Him by ourselves. God chooses us & regenerates our ❤ which leads us to faith (read thru Romans 3 a few times real slow)
      Ephesians 2:1-10!

    • @mimishella4915
      @mimishella4915 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jesus said that all that the Father gave him he has not lost one.

    • @evanu6579
      @evanu6579 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amen. Notice how no one deals with the passage you gave.
      God bless.

  • @andrewlawrencei3239
    @andrewlawrencei3239 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone save only by God mercy , without God mercy nobody can be save

  • @jeremywalker3305
    @jeremywalker3305 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It’s almost as if instead of a gracious God working in our lives to convict us and draw us to Himself in love, grace is this thing, this force that God uses to show off with by picking and choosing certain people to be saved while not choosing the rest and He’s doing all this because He has to show off how glorious He is.
    I don’t see how you can believe this is something Jesus would do. You cannot look at the life and death of Jesus and come away thinking that this is something that he would do.

    • @ahd9456
      @ahd9456 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jeremy Walker Jesus himself warned of the judgment.

    • @jeremywalker3305
      @jeremywalker3305 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Isaac-wl6wu that's right! But what is your point?

    • @heathobrien356
      @heathobrien356 ปีที่แล้ว

      Romans 9:22-24.

    • @johncollier3175
      @johncollier3175 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      God has a right to demand worship. To say God "shows off" is to bring Him down to man's level. That's not right.

  • @pete2388
    @pete2388 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Jeff Durbin quotes Athanasius as one of the great defenders of the faith, but Athanasius said, "humanity is free and under it's own power, having the capacity to choose for itself what it wants" I wonder what he would have said about Calvinism?

    • @OHBHGO
      @OHBHGO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We have a creaturely freedom. Where does Athanasius indicate that he meant more than creaturely freedom?

    • @brotheraugustine
      @brotheraugustine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      None of the Church Fathers would have supported Calvinism.

    • @OHBHGO
      @OHBHGO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@brotheraugustine are you including Augustine in that number Brother Augustine?

    • @brotheraugustine
      @brotheraugustine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Redtb3 Of course. Even his thoughts on predestination, which were nowhere near as extreme as Calvin’s, were never accepted by the rest of the Church.

    • @OHBHGO
      @OHBHGO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@brotheraugustine Great, go over to Soteriology 101's sight and explain that to Leighton Flower's. He seems to think everything he despises about Calvinism was due to Augustine.

  • @kimberlynewell3446
    @kimberlynewell3446 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    “Preach a bold gospel with humility” Amen

  • @martinwazhere
    @martinwazhere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you. This jelped me and my questions alot.

  • @DustinLaytonMusic
    @DustinLaytonMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Excellent job, Jeff. Glory to God.

    • @captainmarvel76927
      @captainmarvel76927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How many NAZIS do think God predestined to go to heaven?

  • @mothermovementa
    @mothermovementa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes lord!

  • @ReformedGibberish5881
    @ReformedGibberish5881 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I truly hope to visit you and your church some day

  • @darryld.8616
    @darryld.8616 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jeff later in this teaching gives an enlightening exhortation to see that most people will be saved.
    Its good cause he does seem to validate this by the "stars" and "sand" referrencing Abrahams decendants. This is good.
    But Jeff says in that defense, "I have many stars and many sands of the seashore, what do you have?"
    Well i have Matthew 7:13-14.
    13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

  • @forgiven2812
    @forgiven2812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    God so loved the world that he gave his only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in him will have everlasting life.

    • @jasont5300
      @jasont5300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yup. The elect are the “whosoever”.

    • @josiahpulemau6214
      @josiahpulemau6214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Whosoever = the elect

    • @oneofmany7768
      @oneofmany7768 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That verse says that anyone who actually believes in Jesus is saved. It says nothing, one way or the other, about how a person comes to that belief. It can be used as a "proof text" by both Calvinists and Arminians, which means it isn't a "proof text" for either.

    • @jasont5300
      @jasont5300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      One Of Many who are the ones who can believe? The ones the Father draws. The elect.

    • @jasont5300
      @jasont5300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And the whosever in the Greek means the ones believing. Which is only the elect, because they are the ones the Father draws.

  • @CGKey
    @CGKey ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am thankful for Apologia's work and there are many things I appreciate and thank God for in their teachins, however, revisiting this series after leaving the Calvinist perspective on soteriology, I can see one big hole in pastor Jeff's arguments here:
    "Why does God save some and not all"
    His response is that He is a God of love but also of justice, but the question here is: if a person didn't have the REAL, AUTHENTIC chance to repent, because he or she was a reprobate from the foundation of the world, how can their punishment be just?
    If you were predestined to commit a crime and there was nothing you or anyone could do to stop you, can you REALLY, ACTUALLY be considered guilty? Responsible, perhaps, in the same way a domino is responsible for the fall of the next once it's been pushed, but not guilty in the sense of having decided REALLY to do the pushing.
    According to Scripture, Cain COULD HAVE chosen not to sin, but he did it anyways, and by the way Scripture talks about him, he surely would be considered a reprobate, and yet, God talks to him as if he could've REALLY chosen not to sin.
    I would love to read any Calvinist response to this, which to me is the single biggest logical problem with the view Pastor Jeff presents

    • @johncollier3175
      @johncollier3175 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You sin on your own. Freely. Man's history clearly shows what he comes up with when he searches for God. Think of all the terrible religions and practices throughout history. The true God must reveal Himself to a person to change their mind and save them. He only chose some, not all, of mankind. Cain could of chosen not to sin, but did he ? Have you ? We are all on the path to hell, until God saves you from it. He does not save aall.You could never come to find the true God on your own. He has given us the Bible. Revealing himself in it. He must give you understanding to see the truth in it. God's will is much more free than yours. If you sin can you blame God for it? When you say "predestined for hell" isn't that blaming God and giving excuse for your sin ? We sin, God saves. We are creatures.

    • @bobh6973
      @bobh6973 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Acts 4:27 “For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the fnGentiles and the peoples of Israel,
      28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur.
      Who was responsible for the death of the Innocent?

  • @Mr.C-Mister
    @Mr.C-Mister ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's weird that Jeff talks of not preaching for mercy at the court room but that's exactly what the defense does when a guilty verdict is handed out. It's literally called falling on the mercy of the court. Lol. Bet his kids love the 100% JUSTICE Jeff gives and no mercy.

    • @markjones5580
      @markjones5580 ปีที่แล้ว

      "human court" is what's in view there.

  • @GailOwens
    @GailOwens 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Praise God for Have Hunt's book "Calvinism What Love is This"?.

    • @electronicMI
      @electronicMI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm also very grateful for the debate between Dave Hunt and James White.

    • @electronicMI
      @electronicMI 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If and when you read Roger Olson's, " _Against Calvinism,_ " as suggested here, please keep in mind that Dr. Olson has stated that he is not a biblical inerrantist, holding that he, among others, " _do not believe in plenary, detailed (biblical) inerrancy._ "
      Source: www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2013/07/the-old-testament-and-contemporary-christian-ethics/#disqus_thread
      Link to the article: www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2013/07/the-old-testament-and-contemporary-christian-ethics/

    • @electronicMI
      @electronicMI 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @c n b
      Who was arguing or claiming any of this?

  • @trevorr5524
    @trevorr5524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love it!!!!

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
      Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
      Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
      Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
      John 17
      3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
      RSV
      Only-monos
      God-theos
      Monos theos
      Monotheism
      The Father
      Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
      Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
      Jesus has a God!
      Jesus died!
      God can’t die!
      God raised Jesus from the dead!

    • @trevorr5524
      @trevorr5524 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mitchellc4 so what about your claim I don't get is Jesus said in john 10 he lays his life willingly he has the power to take it up again. When you say He isnt God are you denying what Thomas said to him after he resurrected. He said to Christ my Lord and My God.
      Or John 1 in the beginning was the word(Christ) the word was with God(father+Spirit) the word was God. Doesnt say Was a God.

  • @joesmith5247
    @joesmith5247 ปีที่แล้ว

    From somebody that recently dove into this -ism with a little more intentionality, I can say it’s a little more beneficial to take the time to learn the other side, regardless of where you stand on it, & even if you don’t agree with it in the end. At first, I pushed away from Calvinism when I came across their most popular point it seems of “predestination”, and based on the knowledge I have thus far, I wanna take a stab at bridging the gap between the two sides ….
    A quick hitter we can get out the way, I’m pretty sure the common ground here is that our Creator is alll knowing. He is the beginning -if such a thing exists- and the end. If you don’t believe that, this isn’t for you….
    With that being said, I think that us as believers can get a little too “caught up” with certain verbiage in the text-not saying don’t take any part of the Word less seriously because we should definitely keep as many of His words stored & marked in our hearts as possible-that we lose sight of the bigger picture God has painted for us…
    For God and God alone, I believe that two-otherwise mutually exclusive when referring to His creation-events can be true. Regardless of what He’s already known, still knows, and has known right at our respective endings, how would we know what He would’ve known all along other than walking it out to the finish line? Hope that doesn’t confuse those still reading lol, but short answer…we don’t. & we won’t. Yes He knows where each & every one of us will end up. Otherwise that would flat out contradict His omniscience. However, while His purpose behind that will forever remain a mystery in our pea brains lol, we still have a choice with how we walk/work out our soul salvation being exposed to this truth daily. There are plenty of scriptures that make it plain as day what we are and are not to do. Right now we can choose to either walk in love, or hate. You will choose to walk amongst holy counsel, or the wicked. We can either love and forgive our neighbor, or embrace that murderous spirit. You have that will, and at the same time, before you act on that will, as crazy as it may seem…God already knew. For those that are purposely waiting to your final wish on that death bed to repent knowing you’ve rejected purpose your whole life….God would have known that too. As hesitant as I was to come around to it, predestination is indeed biblical. He knows it all. From front cover to back. But it can also be true that given that much of an understanding, we also carry that choice on how truly close to the cross we make it up in our hearts, souls, minds, and strengths to be. Because regardless of your “free willed” decision ………He kn(ows/ew). Everybody won’t choose holiness. But you don’t have to be everybody. Love God with every fiber of your being, and carry that out with your brethren. Not to pay off your salvation, but because it’s already been paid off! & I’m pretty sure those of us that have chosen to seek the kingdom after His righteousness, will be alright.

    • @Mike-qt7jp
      @Mike-qt7jp ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."

  • @Emper0rH0rde
    @Emper0rH0rde 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Next challenge, if God has chosen who He will save, that means some of my loved ones will be passed over and are going to hell." And his answer, after about five minutes of sophistry and pious-sounding words, boils down to essentially "Yes they are. Frankly that's just too bad if you don't like it, but you'd *better* say God is good and just to do that."

    • @gch8810
      @gch8810 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      As Paul says in Romans, who are you oh man to say to the potter “ why have you formed me this way?”.

    • @Emper0rH0rde
      @Emper0rH0rde 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@gch8810 Look, I know you mean well, and I probably shouldn't have left such a snarky comment, but I'm honestly at a point where I don't really care about arguing with determinists anymore. If this is the truth of who God is, then I am out. I'm with Derek Webb and Megan Phelps. I *refuse* to worship a God who does this to people, and that is that. There is nothing you can say, no verse plucked out of its context you can fling at me, that will change my mind. If you believe determinism is true, you should know that better than anybody else.

    • @snackpup
      @snackpup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Emper0rH0rde they don't know how to become each vessel
      Jeremiah 18
      4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it
      6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
      8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
      So you see an evil vessel can be saved.
      That is the gospel. For we all were evil vessels but we came to Jesus for salvation from our sins and he made us new.
      It's always conditional. If we want God's mercy we must do it his way. By faith in Jesus that he died and rose again for our sins.
      You choose what you do in life good or bad. But God always makes it bring him Glory.
      Pharoah hardened his heart first. So God took advantage of that and brought himself glory through it.
      There is no automatic salvation.
      John 3:20
      “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”
      They did not reject Jesus because they were unable to. They rejected him because they did not want to be reproved.

    • @snackpup
      @snackpup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is no unrighteousness in God.
      Jeremiah 19:5
      King James Version
      5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

    • @apilkey
      @apilkey ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Emper0rH0rdeCalvinism is a false doctrine of demons don’t worry about it.
      This is not Christianity, it’s a cult.
      Calvinism is a false gospel and completely unbiblical.
      Call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.
      Read scripture for yourself and you won’t find any Calvinism.

  • @Savedbygrace22
    @Savedbygrace22 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey bro, Jesus loves you! Paul Washer said “hey that’s great, I love me too!” He explains the ramifications of that Jesus loves you type of insufficient preaching there’s no need for repentance just easy believism. The wonderful plan for your life could be a plan just like the Apostles experienced, martyrdom. Hey bro I thought you said Jesus loves me? Half a gospel is no gospel really. Great series, this really is helpful, I’m taking notes like crazy! Thanks and Soli Deo Gloria ✝️

  • @kc-bh3ly
    @kc-bh3ly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    im a bit confused. for example, if God predestined me to NOT be saved then i am powerless to change that, right???? ultimately then my choices are meaningless because from the moment i was born, God had already decided what the outcome of my life would be???? i can follow everything else that you say but i get jammed up by this one all the time!!!!!!

    • @LiquidTree555
      @LiquidTree555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      k c but the person in your example wouldn't ever care. The natural man never seeks God and only sins by nature. You're thinking about it from your viewpoint and you care! The sinners, by nature, don't seek God. If ANYONE cares, they are being drawn and they can come and eventually will. Predestination really isn't unfair, it's more than anyone deserves. Fair is all go to hell. The question is why does He choose any. Both choices by God are to display His mercy and justice. To show all His power on both sides. Please don't feel bad for the villains/goats in the story. Just be thankful you are a sheep.

    • @Raz0rIG
      @Raz0rIG 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It should give you a sense of peace and security that you don’t have to merit or work up to God. You’ll naturally want to be with him when you understand his love for you and how perfect his grace is in saving you. You can’t fail and that gives you security. If salvation depended on your mindset or inclination of any type of belief then you’re essentially admitting that you’re the sail that ultimately decides your destination. If Arminianism is true then Gods grace is not the final say in what happens, it’s what you decide. Can you understand the implications of that view?
      Think about Gods sovereignty another way. If you had a kid who didn’t listen to you about crossing the street and not looking both ways, are you going to be indifferent and say “well I have to give my kid the choice to be free to show love”. No you care about your child’s wellbeing beyond your kids attitude. You force him out of harms way because you care. Likewise God forces people to his call because he cares about his children’s well-being. Ultimately if Arminianism is true then God has to be indifferent enough to people to allow them for destruction, and that wouldn’t be loving. People get this distorted view of love that love has to have free will but it isn’t accurate in context of God between man. It applies when it’s human to human like one couple has to respect and allow each other to freely love because they arent owned by anyone. But God owns all. He has every right to decide who he chooses if he created us. By this we cannot boast about our merit or abilities to choose God because the glory and all the credit goes to him. If you attributed any reason for God loving you then that reason becomes the foundation of his love for you, thereby being conditional love. God loving you because you chose him is conditional. If God loves simply because he loves then it’s unconditional and doesn’t change no matter what. As humans are we may think it that makes a God arbitrary because we are not thinking in an infinite being perspective. We always have reasons behind our actions and thinking, but to an infinite being like God he doesn’t have an explanation to his character. He loves because he loves not based on what you think or do.
      He doesn’t love everyone though, only his children which we see in scripture when he refers to us as his sheep. That implies there are some that are not his sheep and especially when the verse that says “lord lord did we not prophesy in your name? And Jesus says I never knew you”. So once you’re secure in knowing God, then you should be relieved in that nothing in the entire universe can separate you from him even yourself. And this should not inspire pride or elitism because again we are nothing special in of ourselves but completely due to Gods grace and sovereignty

    • @kingattila506
      @kingattila506 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s because it’s false doctrine based on John Calvin. Not taught at all by the church fathers. God draws all to him. He calls to us first. At that point we either accept his grace or resist it. Calvinists ignore this even though it’s scripture. God predestines no one to hell. God predestines no one to unbelief. That would remove his attribute of love. Do not buy into Calvinism. God loves you and wants you to choose him, so accept his calling and grace by believing in Jesus Christ. Faith is not a works.

    • @electronicMI
      @electronicMI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      k c: In confirmation of what awaken4Jesus and Tim Yang wrote regarding your questions and in contrast to King Attila's reply to you, please carefully consider the following words from Paul to the Romans:
      “For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.” (Romans 9:15-16)
      “But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?” (Romans 9:20-24)
      ► _Please Note: It's always advisable to read any quoted verses in their proper context._ _Regarding these verses, all of Romans 8 and 9 are a good start_ .

    • @the_maskedtoaster844
      @the_maskedtoaster844 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kingattila506 Actually the doctrine of what is known Calvinism goes back to Augustine who had a great influence on Calvin and Luther

  • @rontheproton1783
    @rontheproton1783 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We deserve punishment but what makes me special? Why save me and not my friends? Paul said he wished he could be cut off himself to save his brethren. You can’t tell me that you follow Christ and have no empathy/sympathy for the lost. I don’t want anyone to burn forever. God takes no pleasure in destroying the wicked. If it were entirely up to God and man had no say then wouldn’t all be saved? Wouldn’t all repent and live?
    “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord GOD: and not that he should turn from his ways, and live?”
    Ezekiel 18:23

    • @joshuatheo1419
      @joshuatheo1419 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If it were up to God without election, He'd have justice.
      But He has chosen for Himself a people: the Church

    • @5ivepoints18
      @5ivepoints18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      God is the potter & has the right to make some vessels for honorable use & some for dishonorable use, but all vessels will declare His glory in the end, either His justice in condemning sin or His gracious mercy in justification

    • @snackpup
      @snackpup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      John calvin and the calvinist had a guy burned at the stake for disagreeing with them. They don't care about the lost world

  • @joe_zeay
    @joe_zeay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Good News is that Jesus died for the sins of all who Choose to accept through Freewill
    Joshua 24:15
    The Calvinist good news is, "jesus may or may not have died for you"

    • @tristanbarga5265
      @tristanbarga5265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Somebody had to say it

    • @5ivepoints18
      @5ivepoints18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jesus definitely died for some & definitely did not die for others. There is no maybe. The gospel is that God made a way for sinners to be made righteous, not that we can choose Him as if He needed us

    • @5ivepoints18
      @5ivepoints18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How does a dead, rebellious, sin-loving human suddenly choose God anyway??

    • @tristanbarga5265
      @tristanbarga5265 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@5ivepoints18 how are we supposed to love God or anything for that matter without a choice?

    • @joe_zeay
      @joe_zeay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@5ivepoints18 while in the Navy, i met a couple sailors who had hit "Rock-bottom" in distinct manners, and began by searching out God. One of them was going to A.A. and had to accept a higher power (its step 2 or 3 of recovery i believe?) Ended up being saved.
      He searched for a God(James 4:8)
      and then chose to accept Jesus' sacrifice on the cross (Joshua 24:15)
      Just because someone may be sinning, doesnt equate to them being happy, or at peace. Most will grow tried of the sinful life as they get older, run out of funds, get kicked out by their wife and lose their job, etc.... once man hits Rock Bottom, thats when they are no longer distracted, and may posture their hearts humbly, and genuinely search for God.

  • @martinsteiner919
    @martinsteiner919 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "How oft would I gathered thee as a hen gathereth her church, and thou wouldest not.

    • @evanu6579
      @evanu6579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@leebartoletti4651
      Which disproves Calvinism.

    • @CBALLEN
      @CBALLEN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evanu6579 not true.Jesus didn't say that He wouldn't save the children,just the the wicked pharasees were trying to keep them from coming to the one all the scriptures were telling about.Jesus was bringing judgment against the sons of the Devil masquerading as men of God.

    • @evanu6579
      @evanu6579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CBALLEN
      How often He would have, but they weren’t willing.
      He’s speaking to Jerusalem. The children of Jerusalem are it’s inhabitants.
      Read all of scripture to see that this is indeed what Jesus was saying. He’s not talking about little children and even if He was, you have to twist it to make their will irrelevant.

    • @CBALLEN
      @CBALLEN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evanu6579 How many of those Children did He save after the ressurection,do you have that information?

    • @CBALLEN
      @CBALLEN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evanu6579 was it you or someone else in the comments that claimed that God doesn't stop us from sinning?

  • @manuelramos5701
    @manuelramos5701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So God chooses who he gives mercy to? Is that fair?

    • @theocratickingdom30
      @theocratickingdom30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Fairness is why hell exists. You don't want fairness.

    • @treythompson4103
      @treythompson4103 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes it is fair. Because we are all guilty and do not deserve mercy.

    • @manuelramos5701
      @manuelramos5701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Trey Thompson right but how is it fair for God to show mercy to some people and not others?

    • @treythompson4103
      @treythompson4103 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@manuelramos5701 Let me change my response because after thinking about it it is not true. Fair is, we are all guilty and go spend eternity in hell. When a president gives a pardon to someone that is in prison , is it unfair that he didn't turn them all lose? No! Because they are still guilty.

    • @WeFit365
      @WeFit365 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The bible never claims God is 'fair'. American christianity does. Which is wrong. God is JUST. Just is far from the same thing as fair. Just means to give what is deserved. However, God will mercy whom He mercies and He will compassion those whom He compassions.

  • @mrearbrass
    @mrearbrass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amen!!

  • @zackkempf2907
    @zackkempf2907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I haven't watched this video yet. I want to. I struggle with assurance because of my sinful conclusions and misunderstandings of the applications of the doctrines of grace. I fear that God would not save me because I'm not His elect or because of limited atonement. Would this video be helpful? Or does anyone know any resources that could help correctly understand the Gospel in light of these doctrines?

    • @libertylogic6883
      @libertylogic6883 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @zackkempf2907
      @zackkempf2907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@libertylogic6883 But the doctrine is biblical. The issue is my sinful perspective and misunderstanding. And I think that's what many people's issue is as well. I want to understand these doctrines in the correct light. Not with my futuristic and anxious mind.

    • @libertylogic6883
      @libertylogic6883 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zack Kempf No sir. 1st Corinthians 9:27. Paul himself believed that he could become a castaway/reprobate (same Greek work used in Rom 1). Joshua 24:15 “CHOOSE this day who you will serve”. Love.

    • @preachchrist8010
      @preachchrist8010 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The doctrines of Grace doesn’t save in the first place anyway. Only God saves.
      “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;”
      (Ephesians 2:8 LSB)
      “not of works, so that no one may boast.”
      (Ephesians 2:9 LSB)

    • @preachchrist8010
      @preachchrist8010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zackkempf2907 Believe in the finished work of Christ at the cross. Repent and be saved.

  • @swhiphop3644
    @swhiphop3644 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So very practical, this is awesome

  • @zcardman2007
    @zcardman2007 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At about 20:00, he quotes, "but by that faith which God has justified ALL men", but glides past it. This is why I do not like Calvinism. I agree with many points, but believe it is perfectly in line with God's will for ANY who choose to respond to the Spirit's call to be saved. The Bible says that "God is not willing for ANY to perish, but that all should reach repentance."

    • @andypietrowski6915
      @andypietrowski6915 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are right as far as those who respond being saved. Faith is the method God uses to call us….and there is no choosing to respond or not respond when it happens. Jesus makes that clear in John 10 and Paul does the same in Romans 8. As for the verse you quoted that is a verse that is used out of context super frequently. It’s part of 2 Peter 3:9 while Peter is speaking to believers and is referring to the elect who have not yet heard and believed as Peter says that God is patient toward YOU….not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. You could also check out Matthew 24. Jesus talks about the days of the tribulation being shortened for the sake of the elect

    • @borisvandruff7532
      @borisvandruff7532 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      2 Peter 3:9 is addressed in part 1 of this series.

  • @alakazoom87
    @alakazoom87 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like limited atonement is just debating terms.
    Christs' sacrifice is perfect and can cover sins of all people. It doesn't necessarily matter if the sacrifice was only for a subset of all people, when it can potentially save everyone.

  • @angloaust1575
    @angloaust1575 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    John3.16 means all sorts of people have been chosen
    Not confined to one race

    • @julien.b.t7371
      @julien.b.t7371 ปีที่แล้ว

      If all were chosen there should be no hell only heaven.

  • @badlogicdetector8106
    @badlogicdetector8106 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jeff said that God does not cause people to sin. People do what they want to do according to their nature. Here is my question. Was God the one who determined what kind of nature people have in the first place when He created them?

    • @forgiven2812
      @forgiven2812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Adam Myers
      God created Adam and Eve with a freewill. After their willful disobedience, they became sinners. All of Adam and Eve's children inherited the sinful nature. We sin because we're sinners by nature.

    • @dei_nermz
      @dei_nermz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Deborah Dowden Yup, the default nature is God's image and likeness with a free will.

    • @thewatchzealot
      @thewatchzealot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Adam - You should read Romans 9. Paul addresses this and anticipates your response. Basically he would answer back, "Who are you, O man, to answer back to God?" Paul's words, not mine.
      Read below for context.
      19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump done vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory

    • @josiahpulemau6214
      @josiahpulemau6214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anthony Isreal
      Keep reading down to Matthew 15:28 when Jesus says **”o woman, great is your faith”** that’s Jesus speaking to a Canaanite. Take that and line that up with Romans 11:11-24 and the gentiles being grafted in and also Matthew 8:7-10 when Jesus says this of a Roman Centurion a caucasoid **I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!**
      Only to continue on to say this:
      **Mat **8:11** And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.**
      **Mat **8:12** But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."**
      “Luuucy, you gots some explaining to do”

    • @christking312
      @christking312 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anthony Isreal your ignorance is showing Any true Christians can see right past your racist, elitist, vulgar worldview. Why don’t you say who you really are? Black Hebrew Israelites or better yet black suprematists with a spin off of Christianity/Judaism. You pick and choose what you want to see in the Bible because that’s how you were indoctrinated by your less than 100 year old cult and puffed up false teachers. Too bad people are informed nowadays and can just look up all your false prophets slinging false prophesies every year and then changing them again when they FAIL. But hey, you already knew that. Get off this page with your racism. Your fruit is showing. And next time, make sure your TH-cam playlists are on private so you don’t expose everyone to the demonic mainstream music you listen to.

  • @NoWorriesLad
    @NoWorriesLad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    For those wanting to hear an intellectual & biblical opinion on the other side John Lennox writes a great book called determined to believe 😊

    • @jtslev
      @jtslev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      John Lennox is a brilliant man when it comes to the topic of evidential arguments for God, but his traditions cause Him to mishandle scripture when discussing the topic of soteriology.

    • @banzaiduck
      @banzaiduck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You shoul watch the dividing line when they talk about that book

    • @NoWorriesLad
      @NoWorriesLad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@jtslev Seems like a bit of an ad hominem response. Couldn't I also say that Jeff Durbins traditions cause him to mishandle scripture when discussing the topic of soteriology?

    • @jtslev
      @jtslev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      DJB it’s called a vague claim, which is exactly what your initial post was. John Lennox is not known for his expertise in soteriology or even theology, for that matter. He’s known for being a great mathematician and apologist for the existence of God. Take that how you want to, but I’ve heard his exegesis of John 6, and it’s inconsistent with the whole of scripture and leaves you with more questions than it answers.

    • @NoWorriesLad
      @NoWorriesLad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      JT MULL that’s a fair response. But I just don’t think that because someone isn’t practised in the correct field that they can’t come with valid criticisms of a particular view. Again this feels like the argument from authority. I’m not trying to nit pick and it’s great that you’ve mentioned that you disagree with his exegesis of John 6 but I think there’s more to it than that :). Someone can still write an extremely well informed biblical book using authoritative theologians input which I’m sure someone like John Lennox has plenty of access to. You should give it a read 😊

  • @4486johnboy
    @4486johnboy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When it come to pre destination. In the scripture I believe that shows the foreknowledge of God. I believe if a person wants to be born again they willingly choose to be born again. The only thing we contribute to our salvation is our submission

    • @andypietrowski6915
      @andypietrowski6915 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Except our will is in bondage to sin. We are slaves who must be set free. Hearts of stone can’t change themselves into hearts of flesh. An outside force has to do that for us bud. Jesus explains that in John 3:8 and it’s also summed up in John 1:12-13
      People are familiar with John 1:12 but verse 13 explains how it happened

  • @timburnett5414
    @timburnett5414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No matter how hard I try, Calvinism just doesn't make sense to me. Okay I get that because of Adam and Eve, we were all born in sin. But I don't understand why because of that, some are predestined to hell regardless of what they do. I struggle with sin and I ask myself why is it that I can't get right with God even after I literally break down in tears for Him to change me. Concepts like this puts in my head (well maybe I'm predestined for hell) and if that's the case, why even bother with anything? How are we born with free will yet have no will to decide to follow Christ? So Satan was predestined to become evil and mislead all the nations and lead millions/billions of people to hell? I really want to understand

    • @andypietrowski6915
      @andypietrowski6915 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tim if I could take a shot at answering your thoughts I would say that no one is predestined to hell. Man will naturally end up there because he loves his sin and doesn’t want God. God in His mercy decides to save some from the exact same group. As a result God will be praised for His justice but also His mercy. It’s interesting that no one ever objects to God choosing the nation of Israel. Because that actually means that all those surrounding groups of people did NOT receive His grace. I don’t believe the Amorites even received a single prophet.
      As for your question about free will….we DO have freedom to make choices. But our will is in bondage and needs to be set free from sin. That’s the being born again Jesus is talking about and God was referring to in Ezekiel - the changing of a heart of stone and replacing it with a heart of flesh. Look idk your situation as far as your struggle with sin but if you hate your sin that’s a good sign God has begun a good work in you and Jesus gives IMO the greatest promise to us in John 6:37-40. If you’re troubled I would strongly encourage you to go through John 6, read it straight through so you truly get the context and then go back and meditate on 6:37

    • @mikayla.kingsley
      @mikayla.kingsley 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Start by reading the book "mortification of sin" by John owen. This may help clarify some of these answers for you. My husband has been amazed by this book and many, many pastors recommend this book. It is riddled with scripture in its context and gets to the very root of your own sin based upon what scripture says.
      I think the confusion comes in and why we can't understand predestination is that we don't grasp what sin actually is and who we actually are based upon scripture. We therefore become emotional in our thought process and want scripture to mold our own feelings rather than allowing scripture to speak for itself.

  • @jrpzjrpz24
    @jrpzjrpz24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    47:26 🙂 56:00 🙂 57:18 🙂 1:05:04 🙂 1:06:44 🙂

  • @TheRealJackRyan
    @TheRealJackRyan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Bro Leighton coming after ya’ll

    • @banzaiduck
      @banzaiduck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      12 hour video for sure.

    • @davidallin6909
      @davidallin6909 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro Leighton has nothing to worry about with this convoluted nonsense

    • @tsapp2831
      @tsapp2831 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidallin6909 th-cam.com/video/CGoOT9edNIw/w-d-xo.html

  • @nathanbrasington3833
    @nathanbrasington3833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Need some clarification here. Isn't a strong basis of being a 5, 6(talked about here) or 7 (talked about by piper) point calvanist the idea of choice being: you always can do what you desire, but with no alternative choice?? In 1:05:00 or so it seems he talks about the gospel being the power that enables alternate choice, especially tied into the argument of why proclaim to those that have no ability to choose anything other than condemnation (non elect). This didn't make sense to me. On a separate note, I question the idea of most people being elect, as Isreal was just one, surrounded by many nations that weren't God's people, as well as the concept seems pretty contrary to Matthew 7:13-14 (LEB): “Enter through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it, 14 because narrow is the gate and constricted is the road that leads to life, and there are few who find it!" Appreciate you Durbin, just trying to work through all this.

  • @robinq5511
    @robinq5511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @30 First objection example: comparing an earthly judge to God. The job of the earthly judge is to provide justice according to the law. That's it. There is nothing else he is required to do. And since the earthly judge cannot apply the penalty to another - the one found guilty must pay the price himself. And chances are that after he has done his time he will return right back to the things that got him there in the first place. But even if he should be rehabilitated and begin doing 'good works' that will not accord him any favor when his time comes to stand before a holy God. The need for salvation from eternal death is so much more than this example can cover.
    In the gospel however we have more good news than that for the guilty sinner; because in Jesus, His substitutionary atonement satisfies the justice of God so that by grace through faith, mercy CAN be extended to the guilty sinner who humbles himself before God and believes on the righteousness of Christ. And because the Law of Faith stands apart from the Law of Works (Rom 3:27), believing faith is not a meritorious 'good work' on the part of the sinner which obligates God in any way, but is the way God has determined the sinner will be saved.
    Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life... (John 14:6) Sharing the gospel is the way a sinner is brought to Christ to hear the truth of what He has done; and by hearing humbly believe it so that he might be given repentance unto eternal life (Rom 10:17, Acts 11:18).
    TULIP adds nothing to understanding this good news because the power of God unto salvation is also the power of God that will keep us (Rom 1:16, 1 Pet 1:5) - The Word of God (John 1).

    • @OHBHGO
      @OHBHGO 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      "...humbles himself before God..." What is your reference for this?

    • @robinq5511
      @robinq5511 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OHBHGO Mat 18:4, 23:12; James 4:6,10; Isa 57:15 ...

    • @OHBHGO
      @OHBHGO 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robinq5511 Robin,
      In Mt. 18:4, Jesus was talking to his disciples about the greatest in the kingdom, not salvation.
      Mt. 23:12, read the entire context. Jesus is talking to His disciples and the crowd about the Pharisees. This is not a salvation text. It has more to do with their relationship with one another and their view of themselves.
      James 4:6,10 Please read the entire chapter. The letter is written to the Christian. In ch.1:1-2; ch.2:1,5,14; ch.3:1; 4:1 carries this on by saying, "you" and confirms it in verse 11. So this humbling is for the Christian.
      Again in Isa. 57:15, if you start with the paragraph in verse 14, it says, "...remove every obstacle from My people...". These are God's people who have the command to be humble; as a result, God dwells with them.

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
      Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
      Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
      Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
      John 17
      3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
      RSV
      Only-monos
      God-theos
      Monos theos
      Monotheism
      The Father
      Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
      Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
      Jesus has a God!
      Jesus died!
      God can’t die!
      God raised Jesus from the dead!

    • @robinq5511
      @robinq5511 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OHBHGO Perhaps you will consider Jesus' parable about the Pharisee & the Publican (Luke 18:9-14)

  • @thinktank8286
    @thinktank8286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @36:00 Post Millennialist? Any links to teachings?

  • @classact9557
    @classact9557 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So, by Jeff’s, and by extension Calvin’s, description of predestination, I should just not even bother to go out and share the Gospel with lost people. Because according to this theology, no amount of sharing the Word or evangelizing is gonna change their eternal destiny. It’s a fixed point in time. They are bound for Hell because God sovereignly decreed it.
    Do we not see how completely against Scripture this doctrine is??

    • @brianlowrey6538
      @brianlowrey6538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Calvinism simply strives to make plain the sovereignty of God and His singular role in the salvation of his anointed. It's a broad scale, macro view of the Church. At no point does Calvinism teach that evangelism isn't necessary for the salvation of the elect, or even that believers can know who is and isn't elect this side of heaven.
      Don't get lost and start misrepresenting what's being said.

  • @connermarone
    @connermarone ปีที่แล้ว

    What Bible does Jeff use?

  • @dcb7984
    @dcb7984 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I do not understand how a just God can choose at the beginning of time who’s gonna be saved and who’s gonna be lost and then turn around and punishing us if he’s already predestined it. I’ve never understood reformed theology. It literally means to improve on something to make it better. How can Gods gospel be improved?! If everything is already predestined then what is the point of reading our Bibles, going to church or anything else? I’m not asking to be argumentative. I’m asking because I genuinely don’t understand it. Thank you for your time and God bless!

    • @banzaiduck
      @banzaiduck 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      One obvious reason would be that the christian loves God. Another is that we are commanded to. We are not robots, still God is King and Sovereign.

    • @HiVisl
      @HiVisl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@banzaiduck Apparently, God wasn't able to clearly define the Gospel until John Calvin came along, thousands of years after the Gospel had been doing its thing.
      It's akin to Islam. "Wait, wait! here's an extra-biblical revelation that we need to staple on to the Gospel"

    • @banzaiduck
      @banzaiduck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HiVisl dude, you need to gather more facts, there is none who belives that.

    • @banzaiduck
      @banzaiduck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thefrontporchpulpit6197 Gods knowledge is based on his decree. Also Jesus is not an angel.

    • @amonite2517
      @amonite2517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. God decreeing evil before time, predestining every Sinful thought and action, and arbitrarily (not necessitated or based on any factor intrinsic to the person) selecting who He will give faith to and save and who He will pass over and who can never be saved, as unable, makes a mockery of God's justice and renders concepts like sin, justice, mercy, and faith meaningless or distorted. It also doesn't fit with scripture.
      ebible.com/answers/19101

  • @jakedean4019
    @jakedean4019 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question, you say the judge is just to give pardon to some and bring justice to others, because they are a criminal; but, if the judge made (decreed) the person to do the crime, is he still just in bringing them to punishment?

    • @robertknight3354
      @robertknight3354 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So, you come to judge God and His methods?
      Or have you come to challenge His sovereignty?

    • @evanu6579
      @evanu6579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robertknight3354
      He’s asking a question. If Jeff can make such statements then it’s legit to ask about a more accurate depiction of what is being described by Calvinism.
      So would you like to answer?

    • @robertknight3354
      @robertknight3354 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evanu6579 Restate the question. I will do my best, brother.

    • @snackpup
      @snackpup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. There cannot be condemnation if there is no free will.

    • @ROcKeRDaN98
      @ROcKeRDaN98 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      God doesn’t make anyone do evil. Sinners are already doing what sinners want to do.

  • @theocratickingdom30
    @theocratickingdom30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It is fascinating to me that, because of his post mill, he can't run through Genesis 12 + 15 consistently. With the same text he will make one thing literal and another allegorical. That is fully revealed in this sermon.

    • @danielwarton5343
      @danielwarton5343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. I heard video Baucham (who I do respect) say that there’s no literal chain or literal dragon but there is a literal abyss all from the same passage in Revelation. They class it as apocalyptic literature but all that means is it is revealing. You have to undo the things that the book at Daniel got 100% right and if you wan to just make it allegory.

  • @bagmediachannel
    @bagmediachannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amen brother amen. Jesus is Lord!

    • @captainmarvel76927
      @captainmarvel76927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How many rappist do u think are predetermined to go to Heaven? And how many rape victims do u think are going to hell. Even just one?

  • @2wheelz3504
    @2wheelz3504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The term "doctrines of grace" is not in the Bible. There is only one doctrine of grace. Interesting to hear you define the sovereignty of God. God is sovereign whether he allows his image bearers to willingly respond to the Holy Spirit or not. Don't try to put God in a systematic box. It is presumptuous to do so.

  • @danielnatzke6733
    @danielnatzke6733 ปีที่แล้ว

    One small logical error here: the statement that God does everything he pleases, on earth, does not imply that everything that *does* occur on Earth is of him doing what he pleases. It only necessitates a full exclusive relationship between TW God does and TW pleases him, which, abstractly, need not extend to everything that occurs anywhere. But, other places in Scripture do make the case for sovereignty.

  • @travissharon1536
    @travissharon1536 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don't kick Calvinists out of the kingdom, as they so often do to me.
    But when a preacher says God doesn't love everyone. I don't understand how they can be saved with such a wicked idea.

    • @ClaytonClark-z3s
      @ClaytonClark-z3s ปีที่แล้ว +3

      “The boastful cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all evildoers. You destroy those who tell lies; the Lord abhors a man of bloodshed and treachery.”
      ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭5‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭
      “The Lord examines the righteous and the wicked. He hates the lover of violence. He will rain burning coals and sulfur on the wicked; a scorching wind will be their portion.”
      ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭11‬:‭5‬-‭6‬
      How many times does the Bible have to say it for it to be true ?
      Just once right?

    • @jamestiffany3531
      @jamestiffany3531 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm currently not a calvinism, but the Bible says that God hated Esau.
      Check Romans 9:13-15
      The Bible mentions many types of people that God hates.. see psalm 5:5-6 & 6:16-19.
      I'm not trying to pick a fight, but the Bible consistently teaches that God is not ALL loving, though God is love.
      God is love, simply meaning He is the true essence of all that constitutes true love, which is why the Bible lists many things that He hates, which are all things that are in opposition to Him.

    • @travissharon1536
      @travissharon1536 ปีที่แล้ว

      @jamestiffany3531 Are you interested in hearing the non-calvinist/historically prominent interpretation of those verses?
      I am aware of those passages, but I am trying not to have online theological discussions unless both parties are in, "Iron Sharpens Iron" mode.

    • @jamestiffany3531
      @jamestiffany3531 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@travissharon1536 Hey friend, sorry I just now got back..
      Busy week.
      I'm down for that man.
      If your interested in taking the convo elsewhere so we can go into depth let me know.

    • @SugoiEnglish1
      @SugoiEnglish1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@travissharon1536 That is emotional. There are different types of love. T

  • @krzyszwojciech
    @krzyszwojciech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The only inconsistent thing here seems to be that God is not the author of sin.
    He's the ultimate cause of everything, so under such predeterministic view, he must be that as well.

    • @raifbarrett6739
      @raifbarrett6739 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a way that people are the author of sin and God is not, and there is a way that God is the author of sin and people are not.

    • @krzyszwojciech
      @krzyszwojciech 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@raifbarrett6739 How?

    • @raifbarrett6739
      @raifbarrett6739 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@krzyszwojciech Mens Rea is a term used in courts of Law. You can look it up, it’s very useful. All men have Mens Rea, or as the Bible puts it, they are rendered to be without defense because of their knowledge that what they are doing is evil, and make the evil choice to do it anyway. God does not make that choice, or any such choice, and He has no Mans Rea, because nothing that he has done is evil, and He has perfect knowledge of everything anyway, so it’s not like he could do something and not know that it was evil. He predetermines that that all evil choices and evil acts take place, and is justified in doing so, because He intends it for good, and has the power and knowledge to see to it that it not only results in good, but in the maximum good. He has decreed that it be for the praise of His glorious grace, and so it is.

    • @raifbarrett6739
      @raifbarrett6739 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@krzyszwojciech The problem is that people look at things from a human perspective. The Bible is clear that it is perfectly just of God to predetermine evil acts and choices, and it is also clear that when a person sets out to make an evil choice or act, or try to bring such a thing about in someone else, or in the world at large, then such a thing would be very evil. That’s because God can and does make such things for good, but we cannot, as we lack the knowledge and power, and have been commanded not to, as it is not our place in God’s story.

    • @krzyszwojciech
      @krzyszwojciech 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@raifbarrett6739 Intending good, yet effectively doing evil or setting up circumstances in such a way that the evil will happen inevitably through the hands of others (manipulation) is still equal to being the ultimate cause of that evil (especially in a fate-like reality).
      You may theorize that God is justified in doing so, but he's still the author of sin. Even if he intended it for some presumably higher good, he caused it.
      You could speculate that this it the best world that there could be and no alternative was possible. That doesn't change the fact that it was created with the evil in mind. There's no way around it.
      Responsibility in the court of law is typically an argument from theists believing in an actual free will, but either way, it can be justified in deterministic-like world too.
      And such deterministic world is harsh and unfair, but at least it's not intentionally so. If calvinists are right, the world is harsh and unfair by the intention of the one who created it. And I don't want to appeal to emotions, I just think calvinists should be honest with themselves - this is a cosmic horror scenario, even if for some it will be the eternity of bliss.

  • @mbcfelix2362
    @mbcfelix2362 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "All evangellyfish" AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

    • @BLAHhappy7
      @BLAHhappy7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too. 🤣

  • @forscience9977
    @forscience9977 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So do calvinists worship on Sunday or saturday?

  • @Mike-qt7jp
    @Mike-qt7jp ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jeff, please address this comment: Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."

    • @SSNBN777
      @SSNBN777 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sadly, they will find a way to pervert every truth. It's like talking to a wall with the true believing Calvinist.

  • @jeremywalker3305
    @jeremywalker3305 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone point me to the verse where it teaches God must unilaterally pick you and unilaterally make you fear God and repent and believe in Him in order for you to fear God and repent and believe in Him?

    • @rorydiane7094
      @rorydiane7094 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John 10 and Romans 9 are good places to start.

    • @jeremywalker3305
      @jeremywalker3305 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rorydiane7094 Would you like to discuss John 10 with me?

    • @andypietrowski6915
      @andypietrowski6915 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jeremywalker3305: respectfully Jeremy…I would start by asking you from a biblical standpoint, what it means to be spiritually dead? I think most non-reformed Christians are off in this understanding so I would start there if that’s ok? Just what your understanding of that means

    • @murphyjones100
      @murphyjones100 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rorydiane7094 For a more accurate interpretation of romans 9 please see Dr. Joel Kortyko's video on youtube "How Romans 9 doesn't support Calvinism". Blessings

  • @dustinpaulson1123
    @dustinpaulson1123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wish Calvinists would be honest and preach their "gospel" as openly in public as they do from their pulpits.
    "God probably doesn't love you and Jesus probably didn't die for your sins! And if you hate God, its because He sovereignly and salvifically hated you first!"
    Go preach that. Go call that "good news".

    • @danielwarton5343
      @danielwarton5343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We don’t know who is saved until we preach. Those who are elect will accept the grace given to them. I never preach Jesus loves you and wants you to know Him. I preach Christ crucified and our need for a saviour

    • @snackpup
      @snackpup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielwarton5343 but Jesus does love and wants you to know him

  • @gabrielkinzel3389
    @gabrielkinzel3389 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That pulpit is awesome looking... almost as cool as JMac's pulpit.

  • @Yesica1993
    @Yesica1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would love to see "REPENT" being preached to the lawless, godless savages who are tearing up cities right now. Doubly loud to the ones attacking police.

  • @candybanks8717
    @candybanks8717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's interesting, and actually really important, is Abram didn't see any stars when God called him outside. It's in the text if you pay close attention to detail. It's in Genesis 15:12 actually. He believed though he saw none, which is the whole point of the passage.

  • @marteld2108
    @marteld2108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    There are very simple refutations to Calvinism. One of them is John Calvin was born in the 16th century. What Calvinists are implicitly stating is that for thousands of years since Christ everyone did not fully receive the true Gospel.
    Illogical.

    • @aristokriseas6034
      @aristokriseas6034 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t think that’s fair. I think theology wise it differs from others, but what makes us Christians, the heaven or hell issues, is
      1) is Jesus God?
      2) Did Jesus die on our behalf?
      3) was He resurrected?
      4) is that all that we need to cover our sins?
      5) what should we be doing if we are Christians?
      6) are we doing those things? If not can we still call ourselves Christians by what the Bible says.
      Regardless, denomination isn’t the point. It’s following Jesus, making disciples, loving God above all else, etc.

    • @ryanadams5719
      @ryanadams5719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nah.....You are misrepresenting the Reformed position.....Scripture has always been scripture.....the 1+ T.U.L.I.P. points were not discovered by Calvin.....They are all throughout scripture.....
      What You have proposed as an “Illogical Calvinist claim”........is actually a terribly misinformed assertion on Your part.

    • @marteld2108
      @marteld2108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ryanadams5719 ....I can't be "misrepresenting" something I am not presenting. Where in my post am I stating a "Reformed" doctrine? I am using simple logic to prove the "Gospel" of Calvinism is false. No one taught what Calvin taught before him which is why he is such a controversial figure.
      You follow a man-Calvin. I follow the Lord Jesus Christ.

    • @ryanadams5719
      @ryanadams5719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Merci Beaucoup .......The Sovereignty of the Creator...Yessir throughout scripture and in creation!
      The depravity of all of natural born man....Yessir throughout scripture and in creation!
      The election of the person & the will and purpose and pleasure of the sovereign Creator God being the sole condition.....Yessir throughout scripture!!!
      Jesus ultimately dying for the redemption of those who inherit His Kingdom and WILL be clothed in His righteousness......Yessir throughout scripture!!!
      The grace of God that only comes from His hand,that has NOTHING to do with my filthy rags,which is all I have to offer.....Yessir throughout scripture!!!
      The hand of God that will suffer NO LOSS.....Yessir throughout scripture!!!
      And my soul shall rejoice in the Lord;
      It shall exult in His salvation!!!

    • @michaelbain399
      @michaelbain399 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mercibeaucoup2639 Amen!

  • @Mike-qt7jp
    @Mike-qt7jp ปีที่แล้ว

    John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Calvinism, however says this verse actually means: For God so loved the ones He chose, that He gave His only begotten Son, that those He chose WILL have everlasting life. 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: The Lord is not willing that any of the ones He has chosen should perish, but that all of the ones He has chosen WILL come to repentance. John 1:29 says, “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” Calvinism, however says this verse actually means: The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the few that God has chosen. 1ST John 19 says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, the ones He has chosen WILL confess their sins, and He is faithful and just to forgive them their sins and to cleanse them from all unrighteousness. Revelation 3:20 says, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If ANYONE hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, “…when the one I have chosen hears my voice, he will open the door…” Joshua 24:15 says, “…choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve…But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Calvinism, however says this verse actually means: There is no choice, rather, God will decide whether or not one will serve the Lord. Pastor Jeff, I have watched many of your videos of you witnessing to Mormons. You, over and over show them verses from the Bible that dispute their theology. The Mormons response is always, "But we believe that verse really means..." You rightly respond, "But that is not what the verse says." Are you as a Calvinist guilty of the same in the above verses? You often mention John 6:44 where Jesus says, “No one comes to me unless the Father draws him.” I agree, no one even considers Jesus unless the Father draws him. But I firmly believe based on scriptures like the ones above, that WHEN we are drawn to Christ, we are now in a position to say yes or no to Jesus. Joshua says, “…choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve…” AGAIN according to Calvinism, there is no choice to be made, God the Father has already determined it in eternity past. as for predestination, I have no problem with predestination based on foreknowledge.

  • @queenlanapepsicola2338
    @queenlanapepsicola2338 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Damn, you really had to go a destroy everything I’ve been taught since childhood 😰
    Don’t go to Bible school folks, you think you’re going there for answers but really you just leave with more questions.
    Especially when most of your professors will be not be calvinists.

    • @Mr.C-Mister
      @Mr.C-Mister ปีที่แล้ว +1

      5 reasons I'm not a Calvinist. Could you search that title on TH-cam and tell me what you think?

  • @raybo632
    @raybo632 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    JHON 5:25. HE , OUR LORD IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PHYSICAL BUT THE SPIRITUAL DEAD IN THIS VERSE. LAZARUS WAS NOT EVEN RAISD YET. OUR LORD SAID , THE HOUR IS COMING, AND NOW IS. Notice IN THE rest of this Chapter, He does talk about the physical.

  • @mattmiranda6936
    @mattmiranda6936 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Despise Calvinism and people that endorse and preach that theology

    • @duaneelsbree3460
      @duaneelsbree3460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love your brothers

    • @CamiDiscerns
      @CamiDiscerns 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why?

    • @jacobgarcia4826
      @jacobgarcia4826 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So you hate your brothers and sisters in Christ just because they hold to a different soteriology than you?

    • @snackpup
      @snackpup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah they are heretics. Devilish people who take away a normal person's ability to choose to get saved!!!!

  • @tessbrewer9893
    @tessbrewer9893 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What 90's movie was that?

  • @God_gave_His_Son_for_you
    @God_gave_His_Son_for_you 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Jeff, just be honest, you were taught Calvinism at bible college... and had no alternative explanation.

    • @jakubkrticka1040
      @jakubkrticka1040 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tell me, how was calvinism called before Calvin?
      Truths about Gods saving work

    • @God_gave_His_Son_for_you
      @God_gave_His_Son_for_you 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jakubkrticka1040 At the beginning John Calvin was studying to be a catholic priest.
      He was a literate person so he read alot and it included writings of Agustin.
      I believe it was Agustin who wrote:
      "On predestination of the saints"
      I think you can find it online.
      Therein was Calvins influence for his beliefs of Double Predestination.

  • @greyknight627
    @greyknight627 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    By Jeff's logic, the variety of preaching to non-Believers we do in the modern era should not be conducted either (e.g., standing outside Abortion clinics to convince mothers not to kill their children, defending the Triune nature of God, etc. because the Apostles never did that sort of work in the NT). This is backwards rationale.
    Yes, the Bible and the Gospel are the only true, infallible, authority; Sola Scriptura accounts for the notion that the church can err (see Anthony Lane's "A Pathway into the Holy Scripture, pg 324). However, to take this to imply that there is zero authority or doctrinal announcements within the Church is false (Sola Scriptura simply identifies that the Church can ascribe false/incorrect Rites, Ceremonies, etc. because it is fallible unlike the Gospel); as a result, if you're going to make an argument of "tell me where in the Bible it says X" you're going to (A) find that Scripture does not account for every single account/item you will ever run into as a believer and (B) your practicing of Christianity should be far more restrictive (e.g., no Church Calendar, no vows at weddings, you'd have to explain why you choose to worship on a specific day, no guitars or modern instruments at Worship, the order of prayer, etc.).
    I see this same line of logic with silly items like celebrating Christmas and Easter (Easter specifically, not calling it Resurrection Sunday). If you apply the "Show me in the Bible where the Apostles/Jesus celebrated/said to Celebrate Christmas and/or Easter" this makes a rather poor argument.
    This is also neglecting the very logic, rationale, and emphatic message in Christ's ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection. Jeff's very notion of not being able to go up to people on the streets and say "Jesus loves you" flies in the face of John 3: 16-17 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him." We know that the exact sentiment of Christ's death and resurrection comes from Love, merciful, sacrificial, supreme Love. Christ came to save, and save those who were unworthy of it.

  • @justgopherit3454
    @justgopherit3454 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm sorry but I find it hilarious that Jeff got a tattoo of someone who's absolutely NOT a Calvinist. If you read an significant amount of Athanasius writings, it's completely obvious.

  • @raybritzel1719
    @raybritzel1719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are 11 times in scripture, where the population of Israel, before and after King David's reign, is described as being either as "the sand of the sea shore" or "as the stars of heaven for multitude".
    The relevant scripts are: Deut 1:10; 10:22; 28:62; Jos 11:4; Judg 7:12; 1 Sam 13:5; 2 Sam 17:5; 1 Kin 4:20; Is 10:22; Rom 9:27; Heb 11:12.
    This fact displays at least two things:
    1. The scriptures need to be understood as intended by the author (primary and secondary). In this case it would seem that both these phrases are referring to a mass of people large enough that one man could not count. That could be a crowd as small as 10000, if not 100.
    2. I find it to be extremely doubtful that Jeff Durbin is not aware of these scripts. We therefore need to give thanks to God for raising up men like Jeff who is doing great work, both doctrinally as well as in the field, for the kingdom, whilst simultaneously being constantly aware of the need to compare the words of men with the words of God.
    Regarding the eternal glorification of God's justice being displayed through the damnation of the reprobate, it ought be considered that there is a greater display of God's justice in a sinner saved by grace than there is in many unbelievers being eternally punished. Suffice to say, Christ drained the cup fully. Given the fact that sinners will still be sinning in the lake of fire it is impossible for them to exhaust the punishment due, and therefore completely, eternally, glorify God's justice. Such was the suffering of Jesus of Nazareth upon the cross of Calvary. May His Name be blessed forever and ever.
    Having said that, I concur that the doctrines of grace are biblically accurate, glorify the Creator of heaven and earth and are the truth which will endure beyond this time.
    I am also led to concur that pre-tribulation, pre-millenial eschatology is lacking any scriptural basis apart from one proof-text here and another one there. The number of scripts which dismantle such eschatology vastly outnumber those several proof-texts used to produce it.
    Ezekiel 17:22-24; Daniel 2:35; Mat 13:31,32 represent the biblical theme that the kingdom of heaven has, is and will permeate the earth. Such truth glorifies God, liberates all men and gives the righteous a certain hope.

    • @mitchellc4
      @mitchellc4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
      Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
      Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
      Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
      John 17
      3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
      RSV
      Only-monos
      God-theos
      Monos theos
      Monotheism
      The Father
      Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
      Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
      Jesus has a God!
      Jesus died!
      God can’t die!
      God raised Jesus from the dead!

  • @chrisnoe7272
    @chrisnoe7272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I used to be a Calvinist until I realized it was bad theology backed by a philosophical system that doesn’t find its origin in scripture. Calvinist will try to argue from a place that makes “much of God”. However, if your theology isn’t right then you just misrepresenting God. Sovereign doesn’t mean what Calvinist define it to mean. Check a dictionary. Sovereign doesn’t mean determinism. This message only offends because it misrepresents the Lord. If it where true then so be it. However it’s not. This is all mans tradition and philosophy being placed on top of scripture. He misrepresents Election and predestination. I promise those who are listening to this that this man is confused.

  • @user-yd3uh4pz5e
    @user-yd3uh4pz5e 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So God doesn’t decree a man to kill a child, correct?

  • @jennamarielovesjesus12
    @jennamarielovesjesus12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love pastor Durbin and love pastor MacArthur but I’m NO Calvinist AT ALL but it’s all good. Calvinism is just another division amongst Christians like all other denominations

    • @thewatchzealot
      @thewatchzealot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are commenting a lot on this video. You state that calvanism divides, but I see you dividing in this comment section.
      God is 100% sovereign. Romans 9:15 "For He says to Moses: "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion."

    • @jennamarielovesjesus12
      @jennamarielovesjesus12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Watch Zealot commenting a lot Hahahaha wow 2 comments , sooooo mucH hahaahhaah

    • @jennamarielovesjesus12
      @jennamarielovesjesus12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Watch Zealot I also said that ALL denominations are for division. That’s all they’re for. We are all believers in Christ and that’s all that should matter

    • @thewatchzealot
      @thewatchzealot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jennamarielovesjesus12 Hi Jenna, I'm sorry I didn't mean it like that. I just wanted to discuss. I reread you comment and now see what you meant.

    • @jennamarielovesjesus12
      @jennamarielovesjesus12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Watch Zealot No worries at all. Blessings to u in Jesus Name ✝️✝️✝️✝️

  • @blchamblisscscp8476
    @blchamblisscscp8476 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A few thoughts crossed my mind during this sermon. A basic in discussing the topic with the anti-Refomed folks is that there is a pervasive belief in the essential goodness of human nature. Such belief permits a Pelagian/Arminian theology of self-faith, that is, that men can of their own will make a genuine profession of faith. Romans 8 and Ephesians 2 et al make it clear that is not a possibility.
    So many times have I seen that attack, "you're just following a man named Calvin." They never say the same of Luther, who literally wrote the book on total inability. But the fact is, the doctrines of grace are not unique to Calvin, as they can be shown to be true from the Scripture amd Scripture alone. And I hear/read comments like, "Calvinism leads people to hell," (typically from Baptists) to which I would like to ask, so you're thinking Charles Spurgeon and John Gill were heretics then? Interesting assertion, given that they were strongly convinced Calvinists.and preached the doctrines of grace. Pelagianism and Arminianism are the late-comers to the Christian faith. They were so much in error that economical councils and synods pronounced anathema on them. But, just as so many people hold fast to that other heresy Word Faith, people hold onto their traditions instead of allowing Scripture to speak for itself.

  • @DRayL_
    @DRayL_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why do they keep producing these? There IS no legitimate, reasonable, or non-objectionable "answers" to Calvinism. I'm amazed that so many appear to not recognize the glaring issues. It's for you to figure out on your own.

  • @lawrencestanley8989
    @lawrencestanley8989 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    At about 3 7:00, maybe I just don't understand postmilleniallism and preterism, but how can anyone in their right mind, look around and have the audacity to say that things are getting better????

    • @slash903
      @slash903 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am not a postmillenialist (I'm amil), but the improvement they talk about is speaking of the church, not the state of the world. When Jesus ascended, the church consisted of 11 confused men. Now, it contains millions (billions?) of people across the flow of time and around the world. When Jesus ascended, for the gospel to be spread people had to get on ships and/or walk hundreds of miles. Now, I can speak into my phone about Jesus and what He has done, and it can be seen instantaneously on the other side of the world.

    • @lawrencestanley8989
      @lawrencestanley8989 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@slash903
      I guess that makes more sense, but it still involves taking the 1,000 years of Revelation 20:1-7 in some symbolic sense, but there is nothing in the text that would permit one to render the 1,000 years as symbolic; in fact, nowhere in all of scripture when a number is given with "year(s)" as it is here in a prophetic sense, is the meaning anything other than literal.

    • @b-manz
      @b-manz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you serious? Maybe do some history lessons before commenting.

    • @lawrencestanley8989
      @lawrencestanley8989 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@b-manz
      Then maybe you could enlighten me, starting with the rise of the "nones," and then explain thebrecent survey of evangelicalism conducted by Ligonier. We could also talk about riots, BLM, LGTBLMNOP, CRT, Intersectionality, inflation and poverty, chemichal weapons and nuclear bombs... I'd love to hear how things are getting better.

  • @theresa263
    @theresa263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Calvinism is absurd to me. *This concept only began 400 years ago. If I propose to someone, are they obligated to marry me? No. The person chooses to marry me or not. It's not Calvinism or Arminianism, it's both simultaneously. God is sovereign, but His power to also leave some things to our personal free will doesn't make Him any less powerful, it is simply His will and desire to do so, and demonstrates His loving character, to give us freedom.

    • @theresa263
      @theresa263 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Rodrick Evans God created us to love him "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." And we were created in His image and likeness, so we have characteristics of God, including love, which God is. Proving to you how the love of God means he gives free will for his creation is another issue, and I don't know how to answer that. That depends what you personally view as loving. I think love includes giving others the choice to love me or not, not forced to. Forcing someone to love you is not loving, and therefore contrary to God's character.

  • @RachelMacKrell5109
    @RachelMacKrell5109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And btw Jeff, Leviticus 19:28. Just saying

  • @jennamarielovesjesus12
    @jennamarielovesjesus12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He just got a new tattoo??? HhhMmMMm doesn’t it say in the Bible not to make any cuttings in ur flesh??????? A little confusing pastor

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's ok. Christianity is all about the cherry picking.

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@regenerated4life 👋👋 Howdy again.
      Questionn Do you?

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@regenerated4life what about Matthew 5:17-20? While those quotes are somewhat vague and open to interpretation, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus is very clear:
      *_¹⁷Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;_*_ I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. ¹⁸For truly I tell you, _*_until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law_*_ until everything is accomplished. _*_¹⁹Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,_*_ but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ²⁰For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven._

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@regenerated4life so, he fulfilled them. It said so right there in my quote at 17, but then went on to 18, 19, and 20, all of which explicitly contradict the idea that if he fulfills them, then you will not have to follow those laws.
      It also makes no sense. Since when has a law been made null and void when someone failed to break it? Does the fact that Jesus never ate shellfish or pork, suddenly mean that these "unclean" animals are suddenly clean, and good to eat? Does Jesus having never worn a mixed blend of cotton and linen negate the reason for the law in the first place?
      And if, somehow, this is the case, then why hold to the 10 Commandments? Shouldn't they have also been nullified? They are part of Mosaic Law also.

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@regenerated4life Matthew is the New Testament, and the words are unequivocal. To lay them aside is to cherry pick the Bible.
      Do you have scripture that specifically declares the opposite to 5:18-20? Or have new laws simply been added to the list?

  • @stevetucker5851
    @stevetucker5851 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been a Christian for 25 years and have just recently come to believe that the Bible does indeed teach that God predestined most of humanity to eternal conscious torment. It is causing me a lot of mental anguish, and I’m not sure how to have a genuine love for God if that’s what he’s really like.

    • @kevinramsey2636
      @kevinramsey2636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He is not like that don't believe the lie calvinism is false let God be true and every man a liar as it is written that you might be justified in your sayings and that you might overcome when you are judged

    • @Pyroverbs205
      @Pyroverbs205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, what you might not know is that God punishes people for their sins. People sins because they chose to.
      God doesn't tempt people to sin, or infuse sin into people. Yet God endured them with much patience, sometimes allowing them prosper in this world. God sends people to share the Gospel with them, yet they reject.
      And they'll get justice in the end.
      This doesn't contradict Calvinist doctrine though, the elect could've also been one of these people that are doomed to perish as punishment for their own sins, but God chose to actively work in their lives, saving them.

    • @kevinramsey2636
      @kevinramsey2636 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pyroverbs205 hear is something you may not know God punishes people who don't believe that's why they die in their sins however Jesus has dealt with sin forever he has taken away the sins of the world people perish because they would not believe not because they could not believe whosoever will may come God doesn't force people to believe he never did and never will his gift must be received

    • @kevinramsey2636
      @kevinramsey2636 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pyroverbs205 and my advice to you is romans 3:4

    • @Pyroverbs205
      @Pyroverbs205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@kevinramsey2636 ​ The message is long because I quoted verses for your convenience.
      The verse you shared doesn't have anything to do against what I've said. I could say the same to you: "my advice to you is romans 3:4". You go read that passage.
      Also, no to what you just said.
      "Now *we have received,* not the spirit of the world, but the *spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.* Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing *spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.* "
      Note the word: *FOOLISHENESS*
      "And Simon Peter answered and said, *Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.*
      And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: *for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."*
      *Also, read entire chapter of Romans 8. Lots of gems there that demolishes your viewpoint.*
      In fact, read the entire book of Romans even.
      God punishes people for their sins, clearly. You *make it sound* like the *only* reason they go to hell is *simply* because they didn't believe. *If that's the case,* read these:
      "For the *wages of sin is death;"*
      Also, read *1 Cor 6:9-10*
      Why would Paul need to write 1 Cor 6:9-10 if people are punished for *simply* not believing? Or write Rom 2?
      "But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth *against them which commit such things.* "..."Who will render to every man *according to his deeds:* "
      Commit what? Read Rom 1-2 to find out.
      "For as many as have *sinned* without law *shall also perish without law:* and as many as have *sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;* ...
      For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when *God shall judge the secrets of men* by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."
      "Therefore *by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:* for by the law is the knowledge of *sin."*
      It's just like the serpent on the pole story.
      The reason God sent the fiery serpents in the first place is because of their *sin.*
      By looking at the serpent, they are saved. If they didn't look, they die. But what really killed them is the bite from the fiery serpents, not because they didn't looked at the serpent on the pole.
      If you were not bitten, and you didn't look, you wouldn't die from it.
      So, with regards to "could not believe", yea, I agree with you that they "would not believe".
      But the reason they would not believe is because the spiritual things are foolishness to them and they can't perceive it (without the Spirit), God has to actively intervene to save people. He changes their heart of stone into a heart of flesh. He changes it.
      Not us.
      He opens our heart, He causes us to see.
      And because they're dead in their trespasses and sin, are slaves of sin, whose nature is to sin, and even because they're blind and are being blinded; they will not choose Him. That's what is meant by "cannot choose Him", although I've not addressed that in my OP. So, I don't know why you brought that up.
      *In light of that, go read Romans 3, the entire chapter. And again, the rest of the book, which ironically you didn't read and/or understand considering you sent me a passage from there.*
      Yea to "whosoever believes", the question is *how* they come to believe. Because as Calvinist, I agree we do have a choice to make. And *I never said God forces people to believe or not believe either.* So, that's a strawman.

  • @mothermovementa
    @mothermovementa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm a staunch Calvinist Christian.

  • @themexican1802
    @themexican1802 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If God’s grace is irresistible, then why did Satan and Adam sin?

    • @jen4um
      @jen4um 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Calvinism is a damning heresy

    • @snackpup
      @snackpup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly.
      Ezekiel 28
      15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee
      Satan was perfect. Yet resisted everything !!

  • @ironlion805
    @ironlion805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Part 2 of how God doesn’t actually love but only those who are ontologically changed by his determining power...
    everyone else, sorry, God hates you for reasons you’ll never know.
    Calvinism is not the doctrine of grace, it is a terrible affront to the character and revealed will of God.

    • @jennamarielovesjesus12
      @jennamarielovesjesus12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed

    • @electronicMI
      @electronicMI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.” (Ephesians 1:3-6)
      “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
      “though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means!” (Romans 9:11-14)
      ► _Please Note: It's always advisable to read any quoted verses in their proper context_ .

    • @kbuzbee
      @kbuzbee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s amazing that synergists seem to feel compelled to change the character of God, to “defend” Him, rather than praise Him for who He has revealed Himself to be in Scripture...

    • @ironlion805
      @ironlion805 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      kbuzbee lol..so you agree with my initial assessment of Calvinism’s tenets. Sounds like Allah to me, not God revealed in Jesus Christ

    • @ironlion805
      @ironlion805 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      eMI I love those scriptures. They speak of a God who is working out his plan for the people of God though Jesus Christ the Elected One. You’re absolutely correct, context is king and we should allow the text be our guide alone, reading it without our theological agenda over it

  • @Zerosumthing
    @Zerosumthing 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Being born again comes before faith/repentance.

    • @jesuschristsaves9067
      @jesuschristsaves9067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wrong

    • @shawns4365
      @shawns4365 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you gave scripture for this?

    • @capitainegeneral1675
      @capitainegeneral1675 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shawns4365 Who cares about scripture: this is calvinism. Here! Just for you. : ) Eph1:13

  • @davidw.4524
    @davidw.4524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God never chooses whom he wants to save as calvinsm falsely claims. We're all sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God and that's why he sent his only begotten son to die for our sins.. To die for everyone who seeks salvation and kingdom of heaven. We're all created in the image of God with a free will to choose and God loves everyone, he wants everyone to be saved but you have to make the choice to believe and trust in Jesus. Predestination is a false doctrine from the pits of hell!

    • @Yesica1993
      @Yesica1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which statement in this video did you disagree with & on what biblical basis? Give the time stamp.

    • @davidw.4524
      @davidw.4524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Yesica1993 The idea that salvation has already been pre-determined meaning that since God is sovereign then he chooses those whom he wants to be saved. That's totally unbiblical as explained in my previous comment and that's what calvinsm is all about.

    • @blarglemantheskeptic
      @blarglemantheskeptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidw.4524 a question: Do you believe that God is omniscient and created us all?

    • @LiquidTree555
      @LiquidTree555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@davidw.4524 yeh, let's just forget about ALL THE biblical proof for predestination that MANY solid teachers have given and let's ignore the fact that the Bible teaches predestination in so many places and even says the word several times. Let's forget all of that bc you feel it's wrong. You couldn't even give an example that the previous comment asked you to. Listen. It doesn't matter what your opinion is. It doesn't matter what my opinion is. What matters is what the Bible teaches and the rules God made. If that's unfair to you, take it up with God.

    • @davidw.4524
      @davidw.4524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@blarglemantheskeptic That's what I stated in my initial comment. I believe that without a doubt.

  • @theologynerd1689
    @theologynerd1689 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After 14 years in a synergistic, libertarian free will believing church and a long time in prayer I will soon be joining a Reformed Baptist church for the first time since God saved me at 21. The first Christian book I ever read was The Canons of the Synod of Dort by the Council of Dort. I was exposed to the Doctrines of Grace before God even saved me.
    Has anyone on here who is against these doctrines ever sat down with someone who believes these doctrines with an open bible, an open heart, and an open mind to be like Bereans and search the Scriptures (line upon line precept upon precept) daily to find out if these things be so? ("Well, have you sat down the same way with someone who doesn't believe TULIP?" Yes, I have many times over 14 years and the way they handle Scripture did not convince me.)
    When I move my church membership I will be offering to sit down with people I know who are constantly trashing Reformed theology from my old church and sister churches. I'm thinking that very few if any will take me up on the offer because these folks get into their feelings about these doctrines. Which is why I never said anything to any of them over 14 years lest I be accused of "sowing discord among the brethren" or being divisive.

    • @jenairothnie8796
      @jenairothnie8796 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, I have. Many times, starting from before I had a solid view on the topic one way or another. One man who clung to the doctrines of grace and held a three hour 'can of worms' session where we all could examine the scriptures on it, offered many assertions but the scripture used in 'defense' seemed out of context, over-extrapolated, and shaky. Despite that he was a firm believer in OSAS, a number of years later he publicly held an event where he denied Christ. Another couldn't defend his view with scripture, so just repeated verses in John (stripped of their context and audience) as a mantra any time a scripture passage casting doubt on Calvinism was brought up. Another freaked out that a Bible study group would even dare study scripture to test Calvinism and see if it held up with the permission of an elder. Another I had a long email discourse with as well as in person conversations, but he could not defend the view with scripture itself - he generally pointed to philosophy or other popular Calvinist teachers. Another tried to give some support for Calvinism, but it turned into him yelling and bullying anyone who would quote scripture unless they 'clariefied' the scripture with a Calvinistic interpretation. And my Pastor (not a two way conversation, in this case) just went through Romans from a Calvinist perspective - while glossing over most of the context and reading his interpretation onto the words, distorting many of them, as if it were the gospel truth.
      I've been in countless discussions with Calvinists over the past couple of decades - one on one, in Bible studies testing the word, in small group conversations, etc. I have found that they tend to read a systematic and philosophy into the text rather than starting from the text/context/audience and it can easily distort passages. (Eph 1, Rom 8-9, and John 6 being among the most frequently misused.) It doesn't help that almost every Calvinist I've encountered has had severe misunderstandings about what non-Calvinists believe, thinking they think man partially saves himself, that God isn't sovereign, that works save, etc. Dealing with the false dichotomies and misrepresentations are one of the hardest things to get through when wanting to have a productive conversation or examination of the topic.
      ebible.com/questions/3697-are-we-predestined-to-know-christ
      Question: How does God's sovereignty work together with free will?
      See Answer: ebible.com/answers/17091?ori=167400
      Question: Who are the elect of God?
      See Answer: ebible.com/answers/26459?ori=167400
      ebible.com/questions/15669-what-does-it-mean-that-it-is-by-grace-we-have-been-saved-through-faith-and-that-this-is-not-of-ourselves-but-is-the-gift-of-god
      ebible.com/questions/1234-what-is-calvinism-and-is-it-biblical-what-are-the-five-points-of-calvinism

    • @theologynerd1689
      @theologynerd1689 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Noah Wells Because truth doesn't fear a challenge.
      I have always believed those doctrines but never talked about them since my brothers and sisters tend to act like you: contemptuous ridicule and mockery.
      Even worse, just for asking questions about the doctrines I could have been accused of sewing discord among the brethren. So I'm going to wait until I'm a member of a reformed Baptist church.

    • @theologynerd1689
      @theologynerd1689 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Noah Wells The people at my previous church never treated me like that because I never said anything about my beliefs concerning salvation. I sat back and listened while they mocked and ridiculed Calvinists. Like I heard my pastor mention Charles Spurgeon, "Yes he was a great soul winner but that is inconsistent with his Calvinism. Because if God has already decided who He is going to save, why go out and preach the gospel?" He is totally wrong about what Calvinism teaches and that is only what he thinks the doctrine of election should lead to: complacency and not evangelizing. So when a Calvinist is not complacent and does evangelize they are "inconsistent."
      In reality the doctrine of election gives us a holy boldness to endure whatever necessary to preach the gospel because God will save those whom He has chosen.
      2 Timothy 2.10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
      I heard even worse from Sunday School teachers and leaders in the church now and then but it is not my place to correct the bad theology of church elders. 1 Timothy 5.1, To challenge something they said would have been taken as a rebuke by those brothers because of their background in independent baptist fundamentalism. If you are not familiar with that movement check out the Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast.
      I didn't leave the church because I learned a long time ago that you are blessed if you have a church which is sound on all the fundamentals (doctrines that make us Christians) and you agree with 75-80% of their secondary doctrines practice. There are many believers in the world that don't have that. Plus I love the people there even if their theology is bad concerning the mechanics of salvation. On top of that I didn't know where to find a Reformed baptist church. I had to move to another city to find another church. The church I am going to join is in between my hometown and the city I live now.
      I've got to eat bro. Maybe we will talk theology later. You made some good points.