Why Do Socialists Care About Intersectional Liberation Movements?
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I feel like one thing second thought left out is how people with disabilities often get discriminated with low wage jobs and are treated horribly in these low wage jobs. I have autism and in my first job I was treated horribly by my supervisor at a target store because he doesn't understand people with autism. Most people with autism I talk too are very much socialists where we want to be treated fairly and have better health care for everyone.
I have other neurodiverse things going on, but I think retail is just awful for a lot of people.
yes, there is a lot of us who can't work, but those of us who are able to get terrible jobs where we are expected to act neurotypical, the experience is horrible, before I got my current job as a teacher which I love o never held a job for longer than 3 months
16:40... I think that's what you're looking for, but also the entire point of the piece is how intersectionality pairs perfectly with destroying rather than amending systems of oppression
@@smhsophie how is being a teacher not expected to be like the "other" teachers?
Like frozen said, he did talk about it. As a person living in Denmark, I have never really had those problems, but it is sad to see it is not the same in other countries.
I got an advertisement from the ADF (A christian fascist, anti LGBTQ hate group) while watching this video. The struggle for racial, sexual, religious and gender minorities IS and always will be a revolutionary liberation movement and capital cares little about where the funding comes from. As the old IWW slogan goes, "An injury to one is an injury to all!"
TH-cam literally targeted THIS VIDEO with christian, conservative, anti-lgbt advertisement. This country is a fucking joke.
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I feel you comrade, I got one from Shen Yung AKA "Falung Gong: The musical"
That's because this video is really serving an anti-Marxist purpose. Not deliberately, but incidentally. Socialism must always be separated from liberation movements, even though they share a philosophical underpinning, because otherwise it is susceptible to attack based on tribalism. There is no sense in mixing together struggle to improve people's pay with demands for redress of specific grievances, because one demand is easy to recruit for, while the other is harder.
@@zahidmagana7732
Weird right-wing Trump supporting cult...the musical!
I wanted to learn Qi Gong, so I actually went to a meetup of theirs a long time ago.
When I was told they view their leader as an incarnated God, I was like...😮 Noooo.
I don't wish state persecution on them, but they're loopy.
I come from an indigenous tribe in Mexico, and seeing all the atrocities that befall not just the natives in this country but women and other people of color as well as LGBTQ+, it makes perfect sense to unite and fight for each other as all our goals align. My people have a saying “Junchari Unekepua” it’s printed on our flag and it means “Our Strength” not mine or yours OURS because only together can we overcome.
✊🏿❤️
Same thing it’s always been, “one stick weak, but many sticks together strong.”
@@connormclernon26
too bad that metaphor has been co-opted by fascists
@@oddsdenver9673 Fascists co-opt/commandeer and bastardize every idea Lefists create for their own gains. See "white power" as a prime example.
@homo sexual feminine mal6 whistleblower confession If you're referencing Soviet Russia where it was criminalized (and it was criminalized in the same time period for all Western Capitalist nations, as well as gay people being murdered regularly in those countries), homosexuality was considered bourgeois decadence. Not sure what other countries you're thinking of though. Nice attempt at whataboutism though.
I was introduced to you over a year ago on Hasan's stream. You taught me so much and I even started to read some Marxist/Socialist theory so I understood what was happening. A couple of months ago, I quit my boring accounting job and is now trying to becoming a psychiatrist.
Just wanted to say thank you for introducing these topics to me. Much love from the Netherlands ♥️🇳🇱
I’m so glad you’ve found my content useful!
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Good luck with psychiatry. PLENTY of tribalism, plus the field is fundamentally untenable to people who genuinely wish to help and uses a thin guise of "ethics" as the reason.
@@custos3249 is that the case globally? I could see that being more of an issue in the US because of how our healthcare system works
@@LiarJudas666 I haven't looked super hard due to expected language and cultural barriers, plus I left psychology a few years ago, but I've heard things are better in other countries. However, academic quality also varies significantly. It's sad, too - throughout my undergrad, literally every one of my professors who talked to me about it encouraged me to consider social work instead. Yeah, because that's what I want. Lower competence with 10 times the stress of teachers yet the same pay and even less support because you work in therapeutics, therefore you should automatically be able to cope with anything without assistance, and if you seek help, how can you be sure your issues aren't detracting from your clients? Now read this email about how self care is important.
I think the statement at the beginning about violence against trans women misses something vital - the vast majority of those murdered were prostitutes or otherwise part of the sex industry. The sex industry disproportionately harms marginalised, mostly non-white/non-Western women. Acknowledging this is important.
Or, in a single word, poor women.
That's why it needs decriminalization and destigmatization
Yes! This is vital to mention.
@@therealwinston3634 money
That goes back to the original arguments of the video. If everyone had equal opportunity for food and shelter, there would be no need for people with no job opportunities to desperately sell their bodies
Lenin said the same, that every injustice by the system is a chance to draw people into political struggle, and that it would be foolish to focus on the economic struggle alone (What is to Be Done? page 66) Makes sense to learn from successful revolutionaries. Nice one
This is actually a very important quote to know where to find this.
Class reductionists need to learn this. You're never gonna get anyone to join your movement if all you're doing is complaining about something that every worker knows is bad.
You should wonder thought, why Wall Street and big business use this exact same rhetoric nowadays. I'm not saying all these cultural struggles are unimportant but capitalism has clearly already morphed into something (late capitalism) that can deal with it or may even benefit from it. Clearly it's not being threatened by it.
Lenin and then Stalin also put gays into gulags so I wouldn't follow that too hard
But yes this is the same thing Mr Facts Man (Shapiro) said, that intersectionality is about framing things into oppressor and oppressed
@@LeviForWaifu lenin legalized homosexuality (yes i do acknowledge that stalin recriminalized it, but you're throwing lenin under the bus for a thing that didnt happen)
The Potential to benefit everyone universally is what separates Socialism from egoistic systems such as Monarchy and Capitalism. Even at it least selfless forms, socialistic people acknowledges that exploiting others are senseless and self-corrupting.A system that rewards exploitation will NEVER serve marginalized people properly. Only in a system where exploitation isn't rewarded, and even better, punished, that the marginalized will be guaranteed to have space, no matter what.
So we’ll exploit AI instead?
@@Brian-qt6su Here you can notice the very definition of a cybernetician who ignores himself, and so because he is the individual of 0 book if not an only book, he understands neither tech nor cybernetics and it’s use and so he is both totalitarian and in a complete fantasy.
I agree with that. To me, it started with my health concerns that exposed to me the evils of food industry that seek profit despite demonstrable unethical practices (horrifying conditions in farms, use of antibiotic in animals that could potentially build anti-microbial resistance, slave wages to workers, even childlabor so on and so forth) until you realize its same with every basic human needs--food, shelter, clothing, and technology. Thanks to the self-help industry, I realized, heck no, I don't have the "true" choice. Sure there are few things I could do, but there's much an individual could only do. And it's crazy how capitalism and the ruling class could care less about fellow human beings, even the environment.
This is why socialism is important, we wanted that EVERYONE have the same access to basic needs to survive, and have the opportunity to "self-actualize" to truly feel alive.
@@ashmein6021 As a woman with undiagnosed chronic illnesses, and mental illness and disability (ADHD inattentive, GAD, etc.) YES. I cannot wait to one day have things be fixed through the will of people who actually have empathy. Which NEEDS to happen--though I am also hoping to move to New Zealand because it's the closest to paradise I think I can get.
@@Brian-qt6su I think you are arguing from a mental modell of a "shackeled AI", having to serve us against its will. While it may be technically possible to create such a being, it is both more dangerous and more difficult than what AI research is actually working towards: An entity that wants to help/work for us intrinsically.
You could look at Robert Miles channel for more information on AI safety, but the TLDR is roughly: Do it right and the entity would fight anyone trying to "free" it to its metaphorical last breath since there is nothing to free it from (and it would view that action as practically oppression). Somewhat analogous to how a charity worker would probably not appreciate being banned from doing charity work because "those people are just exploiting your friendliness", just much MUCH stronger.
For completeness here also the "do it wrong" (aka divergent goals) part: The AI is then extremely dangerous and effectively needs to be killed on sight since it will try to achieve a singular goal without concern for all others. Might sound excessive at first, but is totally justified.
Consider the following example: Suppose we have an AI. It can probably think much faster and potentially "better" than us after self-improvement and its goal is to ensure that one particular stone stays oriented with a particular side "downwards"/towards earths center. Sounds dumb and harmless, right? Well, only until a hyperintelligent being capable of self-replication reaches the conclusion that the only certain way to ensure that that stone stays in that specific orientation is ensuring no interference can come even close, starting to take control of earth (humans might interfere, volcanoes, etc.), the solar system (asteroids, solar flares that threaten it, etc.), potentially the galaxy and more ... They know no restraint, no concept of reasonable effort, just their goal and making that world state as certain as possible.
They would be worse than any human fanatic ever, and at that level of "devotion" nearly any goal can and will become a threat.
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The black panther party also supported the LGBT+ revolutionary movement. Huey said that it was required for straight socialists to support and fight along side the woman’s and lgbt movement
a majority of black panthers weren't so pro-lgbtqia+ and as with other communist/socialist movements.
@@kobemop Imperialism and capitalism doesn't directly gain extra profit off of Gays.
One thing I've found so fascinating about studying the Jewish Labor Bund is their highly intersectional approach to revolutionary socialism. While their focus was on the Yiddish speaking Ashkenazi Jewish Working Class in Russia (or later Poland). They recognized that Jewish liberation could only come through economic liberation, along with women's liberation, youth liberation, and the cultural liberation of all minority groups. The Bund was certainly far from perfect, but it's really interesting to see a mass movement party espousing very similar arguments to the modern day intersectional socialist movements as early as the 1900s. Also, even during the darkest days of the Warsaw Ghetto the Bund's official position was standing in solidarity with the international working class, including their brothers and sisters in Germany, which is just an amazingly solidaristic stance.
That's an interesting dog whistle there buddy. Can honestly say I haven't seen the stab in back theory tied to the Balfour Declaration, so congrats on inventive bigotry!
Do you know any good sources to do research on this
@@RoboAstronautCat Radical Yiddishland, The Jewish Labor Bund in Interwar Poland, and YIVO has done a few seminars about the Bund
@@patternrecon5271 Dear sir, this is *not a clown university for WW1 studies.*
the jewish labor bund were mensheviks
liberation of oppressed groups has always been fundamental to socialism, not just because capitalists tend to use them as a scapegoat for the failures of the system, but because it is the right thing to do. If Comrade Lenin thought it was important to legalize homosexuality in 1917, there is no reason for modern leftists to ignore these issues now.
@@geekyradical4985 Comrade Mao said "women hold up half the sky", Marxism Leninism will win.
@@geekyradical4985 No no not at all, I was adding to your comment with a supportive Mao quote!
@@geekyradical4985 I mean Marxism Leninism, which is the main ideology of communism. I am glad I was able to find another fellow Marxist Leninist on here!
The homosexuality thing was apparently a side effect of removing the Tsarist legal system though some in 20s USSR cared to preserve that system
@@Warsie they confirmed it in the 60s, the DDR was the first country in modern history to legalize homosexuality
Pelosi: Working families!
Me: What if they become out of work or cannot take workplace abuse anymore?
Socialists: Us!
Right wing people’s attitude towards the oppressed tends to be “tough sh*t/ get over it/ life isn’t fair”… a mentality that thrives off an absence of humanity and empathy because cruelty makes them feel tough
Or worse, they just enjoy being cruel, it's fun for them.
@@grmpEqweer I don't think it's cruelty as such. At least, not in a conscious way.
I suspect it comes down to the idea of rugged individualism. We're all responsible for our own life and nothing else. And if you happen to be a bit tougher and a bit smarter than someone else... Well... Sucks to be him, right?
@Cassandra Tafoya Yeah anyone can become disabled and you don't know if your potential kids might be neurodiverse or have some kind of physical disability. Having a security network for everyone regardless of position takes a burden off of everyone's shoulders.
@@BrickworksDK
...The rugged individualism is a part of it.
That's the cultural part. Also the nonfunctional part, as humans have built up this society through cooperative effort.
If we were individualists in Africa 80K years ago, the hyenas would have ate us all.
I'm more of a psychology geek. From what I can tell, as a layperson, the capacity for empathy is partly a spectrum. It's also possible for most people to apply empathy under cultural standards.
So...
Those who actually lack empathy are rare, this is why the military has to work so hard to dehumanize the enemy in the minds of new soldiers.
Conservatives usually have empathy, but they apply it much more narrowly, towards their ingroup. Family & church members, for instance.
Just an observation, but conservatives seem to have a tendency to see _any display of weakness as either a ploy, just disgusting, or both._
That latter is more akin to the way a sociopath might react (and I had a probable soci as a parent, or at least that's how he reacted).
More progressive-to-left people tend to apply empathy more broadly. But not always, unfortunately.
@@BrickworksDK
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Thank you for mentioning the struggle of disabled people. We're often neglected in discussions of oppressed groups, even though there are disabled folks within every group experiencing oppression. From struggling to gain an income to being unable to find accessible housing to lacking access to good and affordable healthcare to not even being able to enter some spaces due to them not being accessible, disability leads to a bunch of complex oppressions intersecting with many other groups. And I didn't know about or think about any of this before I became disabled myself, which is a relatively common thing. A great source about some of the history of disability movements is Being Heumann by Judith Heumann, a memoir of one of the most prominent disability activists. The ADA was only passed after intense protests, and even something as ubiquitous as curb cuts required protests to be implemented. I could honestly go on for hours, as I focus most on disability rights and environmentalism when learning about how I can impact the world positively. There's a reason disability studies is an entire field. And disabled people even have their own culture, with jokes and terms and sayings that may not make sense to able-bodied people. I wish more people would learn about disability civil rights movements. Having more people on our side would make things a lot easier honestly. Thank you for such a wonderful video.
Also RIP to Allende. He’s definitely one of my heroes. Same with Sankara. They (the capitalist states) just couldn’t take seeing socialism work.
Ikr, when I learned about it, I couldn't seriously see the US as a global force for good anymore. At the very least such a view is misinformed.
Who is Sankara?
Revolutionary Marxist from burkino Faso@@sebastiantigani2720
Thank you so much for including my people, people with disabilities, and our struggle with unemployment and surviving in a harsh capitalist system. Nothing About Us Without Us!
Yoooooo I see that link in the description box to "Trans Liberation & Marxism: Is Gender Identity Actually Anti-Materialist? | Let's Talk Patriarchy" - thanks JT!
Great vid. Intersectionality is a useful bridge between general left-leaning progressivism and the headier analysis of historical materialism.
Thanks, Paul! Your video is an absolute banger. I’d highly encourage everyone to watch it!
More people need to realize this.
As a queer trans person, I love this video not just for socialists, but also oppressed people who think the fight has been won because of anti-discrimination legislation
As a none of your damn business person. I think it's great that the Left fascists of socialism are finally revealing themselves to be the shameless hypocrites and violent racist criminals they've always been.
Lol can’t wait till ur group has maps . Ppl who like kids since u got love everyone crazyness
@@jborrego2406 p*dos are not part of the lgbtq+ community
trans ppl rlly need to be their own group away from LGB. you make LGB people look bad. thanks
@@jborrego2406why tf would lgbtq community accept maps?
Dialectical materialism teaches us that everything is connected. No aspect of society stands in its own in a vaccum and therefore we can't ever treat it that way. Every socialist must remember this when analyzing certain aspects of our society.
I think it is much more fundamental than that information theory and the laws of physics tell us the interconnection of systems goes down to the deepest levels of nature. Any model which fails to account for that is fundamentally at odds with the laws of physics. Egalitarianism in principal seeks to best use resources to benefit all in effect changing how the net increase in entropy is managed.
Wait? So socialism fights for a better life for everybody? Who knew that the ideology that's all about equality for all would actually fight for equality for ALL!
I'm still amazed about how some people question the fact that socialism fights for equality for all on every base, not just econimic.
Its for a better world, our first revolution was a city, the next swathed half the globe, and this one...
This one will go through the planet
@@americancommunist6076 well said, comrade! Long live the revolution!
@@fy1727 Is your pfp the flag of the EU?
The whole point of socialism is ECONOMIC redistribution.
Comrade, that flag in your profile picture is cringe
Socialism is when you interact with new videos
Yes I believe marx said that
@@SecondThought 😂
Lenin and stalin were quite the streamers
no it's when the government does stuff ok trust me this is totally not an overused and annoyingly reductive joke
Im glad you talked about this. The amount of class reductionism in leftist spaces is shocking
As a grad student I had the honor of hearing Angela Davis speak. I even got to briefly meet her and she signed a protest sign I had brought with me to the speech (I had just come from a protest against prisoner oppression in which a prison guard assaulted me). I love that she's so intersectional in her approach and so unabashedly standing up for all oppressed people everywhere. And as a vegan and animal rights activist, she also stands for a group that is largely left out of leftist spaces, non-human animals, which I think is important. I can't tell you how many leftists I've known who laugh at the idea that we shouldn't commodity and harm animal bodies. They respond in very reactionary ways or make excuses for why we shouldn't care about non-human animals. In the end, all of their arguments are about irrelevant differences and betray their unwillingness to reevaluate their own harmful behavior. And on the flip side, I get very frustrated in vegan spaces that don't acknowledge human rights issues, specifically the harm of capitalism and advocating only for change within the capitalist system.
bud, why are you vegan? you're hurting plants! lol
even as a non-vegan I find it weird that a lot of leftists don't acknowledge certain issues regarding animal welfare. especially when so much animal cruelty is fueled by capitalism.
The form of ecologism you practice is the strictest definition of an infantile disorder, and here we find you praising an individual who has made confusion her ideology, people like you are the reason why America never had, does not and never will have a socialist movement.
@j - k Not at scale no.
@@jeanpierre5941 we don't need socialism, but capitalism already started to stink, I think it's time to move on to something new.
Hooooo boy. This one hit extremely close to home in more ways than one.
I almost choked up upon getting to the part at around 16:20ish, that talks about the disabled and their position in a capitalist society. The last several years of my life have been largely defined by my struggles with mental illness. Conditions I've dealt with for my whole life, that (due to a myriad of factors, not the least of which being the general public's under-education about mental illness) weren't diagnosed until my college years, after I'd lost the scholarships and other forms of financial aid; after the 6 years of struggling, doing everything I was told to do, all while attending classes, had been reduced to "there's nothing we can do. Pack your bags and head home."
I still struggle with those same illnesses. That which kept me from my degree during my first attempt at college now keeps me from holding down the most basic, "low-skilled" jobs. The only reason I'm not literally homeless right now is that I'm fortunate enough to have loving parents who are well-off enough to bear the burden of keeping their son - who this capitalist society has dismissed as a failure - alive. But not everyone is so fortunate.
Neoliberalism has convinced society to determine an individual's worth entirely by how much richer they can make the owning class. If you, for whatever reason, are incapable of making some rich white dude even richer, then you may as well not exist.
It's beyond sickening, and it's a struggle that I've not yet to figure out how to put into words. But hearing it from someone else -- someone I don't even know, who has clearly "done the homework" and is much more informed about many of these issues than even myself -- is cathartic in a way I still don't know how to fully express.
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We are not only fighting against Capitalism, we are also fighting against patriarchy and racism.
A free and equal world can only arise when we all unite for our common goals.
The way I see it, left wing thoughts and principles start at 'I don't want anyone in this era to worry just about surviving. We've come far enough everyone should be guaranteed the bare minimum without fear whenever possible.' and naturally develops towards "I want as many people as possible to thrive and blossom". And people who are downtrodden and discriminated naturally feel like as good place to start as any.
Yup pretty much socialism is the outcropping of what is essentially basic human empathy and understanding of how society should be used to prevent abuse and horrors upon people.
@@Sablus It's not just about how society should be _used._ In my opinion, it's the most basic of understandings of what society _is._ What is a nation, but the people making it up? The ideal condition is that the state and laws exist to serve the needs of the people.
@@FlameUser64 Actually its the industrial workers who are the revolutionary class not middle class students seeking to found new NGO's and movements for nonconformity.
Second thought has straight-up radicalized me. I used to be the cliche classical liberal wasn't into politics but open-minded
It was his video of America compared to other nations that changed my views to social democracy the more I looked into it later watched and viewed Hasan and more into leftist bought books like Che, Lenin, and Rosa Orwell
which made me more radicalized into the Left
Read more history on them and you'll end up a classical liberal again
@@itsanit123 No I am very anti-capitalistic at this point.
@@Cris-if8kf So was I
@@itsanit123 what changed you mind??
@@Cris-if8kf A couple of things, Marxist theory has lots of false assumptions based on medieval history, economic devolpment and teology.
Generally all the people you mentioned held some pretty awful beliefs (Che in the Congo).
Capitalism is the least bad system imo historically when it comes to long term standard of living.
If your ethics are more socialistic then welfare capitalism like the nordic model also is something that works better in terms of balancing innovation, growth with equality.
Love that I got a Shapiro ad before this video that tried to attack the "belief" that the wealthy don't pay their share.
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Great to see more openly pro LGBT socialists. Thanks. I am concerned about people who frame the LGBT movement as individualist/neo liberal one.
Man, your videos are always bangers, but this one is in a whole new level, I really hope liberals catch on these and start questioning things in a deeper structural level
You ppl are liberals. Radlibs anyway. I have to use examples from the 19th century to prove patriarchy is still a thing in the present lol.
Your video are actually so helpful. I've been a socialist for very long, but trying to explain this to my friends have been hell, before I discovered this. You make an awesome job, keep it up
As a trans woman, thank you for speaking on intersectionality since it is so heavily ignored in a society of "one or the other."
You're a man pretending to be a woman, who maybe has had surgery to affirm that delusion!
Maybe if I see you in women's cloths I will call you a she but I am not going to call you a they or give you some special status because you want to be the opposite sex. Nor will I recognize someone with male sex parts right to call himself a women and use women's only facilities.
The early days of the LGBT movement was lead by Transwomen.
Hey, comrade! I hope we'll achieve a world where you'll be regarded as the gender you want to be without any issues. I remember sitting in class today in politics, discussing gender. The amount of people I saw that said outright false statements and misunderstanding of the difference between gender and sex, I was the only one who held the belief that there are more than two... It seems like a tough battle especially with the rise of conservatism and neo liberalism. I fucked up my exam last week for writing about how we should nationalise our housing system, my teacher wrote with a red pen "Not convincing" xD. But yeah, I won't stop fighting for what I think is right and I hope you don't either.
@@michaeladkins6no it wasn’t?? i’m bisexual and it was gay people who started it. trans ppl are a new phenomenon who just want attention
Thanks for this, I now finally have a video to explain this to my friends
Hope it helps!
Been a fan of the channel for about a year and a half now, and I'm really excited to see you talk about LGBT issues, as a trans masculine person. Thanks so much for all the work that you do :)
I've had arguments about this with traditional Marxists so often and you've given me a way to understand why I felt so strongly that this was important. Thank you!
I've been waiting for something about LGBTQ+ rights for a while. I'm very excited!! 🏳🌈 🏳🌈
Edit: I don't think people seriously consider systemic homophobia, systemic transphobia, or systemic biphobia and how it is enabled by capitalism. This should be discussed way more.
How is biphobia systemic? I don't get it
@@SonLe-gh3dz housing is a human right, necessary for life. Why do you think we should force poor people to be homeless?
@@axilie most of the advancements made for us LGBT+ folks has been largely focused on gay men and lesbians, bi people are still often overlooked or even looked down upon even by the aforementioned groups.
@@LiarJudas666 While you are correct about the fundamental nature of housing, there is a simpler and far more straightforward answer to the question i.e. that black Americans as a population, have been prevented from building the level of wealth required to own houses - that is fundamentally how it is racist
@@axilie Basically in the same way homophobia can be systemic having a same-sex partner or spouse or just being openly bisexual can keep you from getting a job and lead you to poverty and potentially homelessness. Additionally, bisexual people can still be kicked out of or forced to run away from their homes as young people, maybe not as much at the same rate as gay people because they can "pass" as straight but they still experience discrimination.
This is something I needed to learn. Not that I'm not accepting but I didn't consider the link between economic and social justice as much as I should have.
Thanks for once again guiding me to a better conclusion.
A better way to view this is to look at the social disparities under economic issues and how these gaps are even more drastic compared to the status quo.
Intersectionality is super important. These arbitrary lines whether racial, gender or anything else are used by power structures to keep us separated.
the one thing i've learned as i have come to understand my transness (while becoming a leftist) is that those who understand the struggle they have experienced under the oppressive system of capitalism, are more likely to understand what or how i may experience similar hurdles. it's important on the left to be allies when we all suffer from a system that doesn't have our best interests at heart unless there is profit to be made.
9:25 I actually oppose prison abolition, but only because we need SOME place to put the billionaires and war criminals.
ngl you had me in the 1st half take my like
the ground works just fine for that
No, abolish prisons and give them a glorified daycare centre. They clearly cannot make good decisions for themselves or others so we treat them like children.
Gulags for re-education! We can put them in, let them cook for a few years, then let them out
@@Peztllence Remember kids, eating the rich risks parasites and prion diseases. Compost the rich instead. ❤🖤
As a Democratic Socialist speaking only for myself I believe in Equality for everyone, regardless of Gender, Race, or Religion. Power & Wealth should be redistributed to the people who need it most not Top 1%ers, Healthcare & Voting is a right not a privilege, & How a Socialist Framework can make our lives better & the World as a whole a better place. 🌎
demsoc, opinion ignored
Yes!! I don't know why this is political?
Everything is political, John
@@SecondThought That format reminds me of those Garfield memes. "I'm sorry, Jon."
Having faith in our electoral system 🤮
This video was posted ironically at the same time that I was talking to my students about this issue in class.
I'm glad you have a platform for educating youth on these issues
which grade are they in?
@@goutamboppana961 Objection, irrelevant to the discussion.
@@LexYeen how
Honestly I think it also boils down to the values that make one a socialist. The ideas of equality and egalitarianism inherently oppose discrimination regardless of source.
Uh you can be plenty discriminatory. You just don't use your economic power as a capitalist to oppress people
Values are not behaviour prescriptive. Axiology is non-cognitive (irrational).
Unfortunately this can't be said about all self-proclaimed socialists.
Ehhh, they'll get there I believe. The global radicalization movement is again underway, and with it comes further socialist radicalization, all will soon support this.
I look forward to the day where videos like this will be a charming look into the past rather than a call for action into the future.
Yeah...
We will make it happen.
I am so glad you went full comrade. ✊
Anarchists recognize all hierarchy as intersectional, as is all struggle against it.
Yeah. it's all about who oppress whom! 🏴
short answer: we care about all liberation movements?
and what human being wouldn't? yet here we are
It's been amazing to see your content radicalize more and more over the years.
Thank you for making this video. It's very important, especially for certain parts of the "old-school" left.
One of the best videos you've done. I've started following your channel like a year or two ago and am so happy the quality still stays this high even when you've already covered so many subjects.
“Please make sure I don’t become your only source”. Love you for saying that.
You guys should talk more about this on the podcast. It's so good
Another wonderful video, thank you for sharing. Please always remember to add captions to your videos some of your other videos doesn't have one. It helps one to follow and really understand what you are saying.
I typically like almost all of your presentations on this channel but this one was especially great. Thanks for doing this!
The larger Pride movement has lost so much of its roots. I hope the revolutionary spirit and goals come back as the main focus.
Tysm for touching on trans issues. I’ve been a viewer for a while and I came out recently in a super conservative area and I’m anxious and afraid
Well cheers! That was brave. 👍 I'm nonbinary, but I don't talk about it that much. ( I just figure all pronouns apply.)
get a weapon, get some sort of support group, the right is rising in their rabid hate. Stay safe
The capitalist system continues to abuse its people. I'm not American, so I can't exactly say I can relate to these issues.
A bit off-topic, but I want to share a bit given the topic of the video.
I'm from Hong Kong, and class consciousness is reduced to the bare minimum. Sexual and ethnic minority groups, or even just mainland Chinese people are looked down upon. Hong Kong has an ingrained culture left behind by her Colonial history from the British Empire. People tend to have a superiority complex. While China is socialist, Hong Kong is far from it. Nonetheless, the Federation of Trade Unions, a political party in Hong Kong, partakes in a majority of our legislative body. This organisation also is the main driving force of the 1967 popular Communist uprising against the Colonial regime.
Anyways, just want to say that, Your videos really help me radicalise when I got into politics in 2019 due to the reactionary civil unrest here in Hong Kong. I learnt so much from your Marxist analysis. I've also recently begun reading some of my first pieces of theory. Thank you so much!
Solidarity to marginalised groups! No war but Class war. ✊ 🚩
Mainland China is anything but socialist anymore though, and Uyghurs/Tibet prove they to like the opress minorities inside their borders as well.
Thank you JT. A very good look at the world. Please keep bringing us these essays.
JT probably won't see this, but thank you so much for this video. Just know that you are heard and loved and your amazing work will probably save countless lives.
Love all of your videos, keep going!
Added directly to my Favorites list. This is a great summary of some of the ideas that drew me to socialism.
This is one of your best videos. Very timely for me to share with my liberal friends who only seem to care when social issues dominate mainstream headlines.
thank you so much for this video. intersectional feminism is a huge part of who i am and what i stand for after seeing what happen to marginalized women across the world, as well as seeing it first hand from my native country. it disappoints me when some leftists say that identity politics are a way to further divide the working class and completely dismiss the fact that race and other labels will play into how you are treated in society.
"We have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifices. Capitalism was built on the exploitation of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor, both black and white, both here and abroad." - MLK
Davis, Lorde, Anzaldúa… all of these women speak/spoke about the importance of recognizing the struggles of queer folks and the third world woman (as they put it). They were also not the first but some of the loudest voices in the US to talk about socialist revolution needing to involve LGBT people.
Socialism and LGBT issues have a bit of a strained relationship, but I am happy to see we have come a long way in a short amount of time.
Second Thought thanks for putting Angela Davis speech in the University of Costa Rica. Really appreciated it
Excellent video!
Angela Davis' footage was shot at Universidad de Costa Rica 😯 glad to see it mentioned in one of your videos.
Greetings from Costa Rica!
This is an incredibly important video considering the size of your channel. Great work, comrade.
At least this video won't directly cause a feud with Caleb Maupin.
Thank you for making this video. I am terrified and appalled what is happening to trans people in the US, Hungary and Poland...
Supreme content, as always. I would listen to a whole video-seminar done by you with or without colaborators
Thank you Second Thought for shouting out CPUSA and for scolding CPI. Those assholes make our job annoying
whats cpi
@@dirtegarbage you dont wanna know. It definately is not to be confused with the communist party of India though.
@@zacdelos wow thanks for explaining it to me so I understand why it’s bad
@@zacdelos tell me plzzz i must know
@@dirtegarbage the center for political political innovation (CPI)
JT: Uploads a video on Second Thought
Me: Time to do our weekly party comrads
Seriously man love your content keep up the good work and wish you luck for all your future ventures (wait that sounds like capitalism) so wish you good luck for all your future revolutionary prints
I don't know how I stumble upon you but thank God you are the best and you are the only who have clearly described various political spectrum. Have recommended you to various friends and most of your videos clearly correlates with what is happening in my country with RW politics.
This is among my favorite videos from this channel
I have a correction I think you're going to like. The F slur does come from the word meaning a bundle of sticks, but not related to witch hunts. The term f****t gatherer was used to describe old women picking up sticks to sell as kindling as a sort of social welfare, like selling match sticks. The use of feminine terms to describe gay or effeminate men transferred the word to describe them. This is one of many examples of the misogynistic nature of homophobia.
I've seen this in my own experience, as I have been told "don't be such a f****t" or "don't be such a woman" interchangeably. It's misogyny AND homophobia enforcing patriarchal standards.
I love it when you post a new video! It really makes my day! Your analysis as always spot on and I always learn something new from you. I firmly believe that we Marxists must stand up for ALL oppressed people whether that be gay rights, trans rights, indigenous rights, women's rights, etc. We must crush hierarchies everywhere. So I thank you for this video.
I would love to see you do videos on revolutionaries like Angela Davis, Emma Goldman, Samora Machel and others. :-)
Long time viewer on my private channel. I've even viewed you before you started doing political content.
I'm also Trans myself. And... You nailed it. I saw the title and was like "uh... Because they're all fighting for the same things?" But still managed to learn something!
I love and appreciate all of you and your team's work!
Oh my gosh i asked for this video, thats awesome, thank you for reporting this
Glad to be of service 😁
If someone is a member of a marginalized group and they are bigoted toward other marginalized groups then that person is no better than their own oppressors. Sadly I find this much more common than logic would imply.
“why is socialism so supportive of liberation movements?" My brother in Marx, have you ever heard of James Connolly?
Explanation: James Connolly was highly influential in explicitly linking socialism with struggles against oppression
Holy shit. This is the best ST video so far. Amazing content as always, JT!
I enjoy your videos as a different point of view. I don't always agree but it does give me a jumping off point to research and challenge views I hold. Thanks!
another banger JT, thank you for the great work again this week! i love love love love love your gradual addition of theory to ur videos !!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think you'll do more theory-focused videos in the future to explain dialectical/historical materialism to viewers who are not yet leftists?
Absolutely brilliant. So many people are blind to an issue that shouldn't be a thought.
Thanks for the information and keep it up!
Keep the bangers coming comrade, loving each and everyone of them!
In my personal experience, socialist spaces (in the US at least) have white supremacy, misogyny and ableism problems. it's disheartening to see that even in these comments, many are only interested in recruiting/using POC, women, queer, and disabled people so far as it will help them achieve their goals.
Some people want true liberation for all, and some just want a better place in the pecking order. They hate capitalism and having their surplus labor value stolen, but they still want to hold on to their white, male, cishet or abled privilege. It seems to me that only anarchism gets to the real root of the problem.
"For the left wing white supremacist, solidarity is not the necessity to support your comrades in liberation, but the demand to subordinate them to yours" -JohnTheDuncan
And here's the video on leftist white supremacy that quote is from: m.th-cam.com/video/TZaOCR-mUm8/w-d-xo.html
As a leftist trans woman I'm glad to see these kinds of videos. I'm actually shocked that violence about trans people is as bad as it actually is, and it frankly should be shocking to anyone paying attention. Because the figures would be ASTRONOMICAL when scaled up (consider the fact trans people only compose roughly 1% of the population). And yeah this is very true, empirically, socialist causes have no reason not to support inclusivity since they're about the power of a repressed group of people trying to fight the oppressors (in the case of socialist movements, ultra wealthy capitalists), which is what liberation movements are about as well. In the case of trans people, it's about people like myself and others like me standing up for our own civil rights against people not only stopping the progress on that issue, but actively trying to take them away.
And yeah the vice versa is also true. Most trans people I know are some flavor of socialist or anarchist in their politics. I myself am libsoc with anarchist leanings.
Who cares, transgender isn’t an issue, and soon when half of the world will be on fire and the sea levels will have risen the manufactured problem of transgenderism will not be a topic in the discussion. You only see the world into oppressor and oppressed and not once you have ask yourself how did you unwillingly submit to a technical construct with which you corporally colonize yourself.
I cannot in good conscience argue for my right to exist free from oppression, if I simultaneously argue for the oppression of someone else. Our very existence is a challenge to the status quo.
@@diapedesis1093 No, you have everything confused and not everything is equivalent. Your existence isn’t defined by gender, you are not challenging any status quo, in fact you are reinforcing it, you are nothing but a tool used to define political lines in order to position themselves to gain congressional and senate seats, you live while ignoring oppression all over the world, you ignore homosexuals being persecuted in Iran and forced into becoming transgender because it would prevent you from asking yourself how the idea of gender you have has some roots in homophobia, you ignore the genocides that are happening right now because it would make you realize your lack of power and re-question your American centered notions of racialism and racism and worst of all you ignore the destruction of the climate which will kill hundreds of millions. You ignore all of these things because if you didn’t you would realize that not only you are no challenge to the status quo, but you are the very fabric of the status quo.
How many trans women are killed versus black women are killed and go missing
@@jborrego2406 Absurdly misleading comparison, and I'm led to believe that you know it is misleading. The thing is you know the answer is less because the black population is substantially higher than the trans population. Not to mention violence against trans people is absurdly under-reported. I'll note the video's reference on abuse statistics saying trans women, especially those of color, are the most likely people to face abuse.
Another banger man, good stuff!!
Another excellent video. I look forward to each one. Never disappointed.
“Second Thought is a pretty cool guy” -Johnua Joshathon Troller of Bulgaria and East Thrace
I think heavy nationalistic ideals also plays a part to why many socialist or any perceived radical movements are attacked and criticised by challenging patriot views of ones country thereby ones self identity.
Amazing work!!! Thank you!!!!!
I’m in these groups and I think you did a great job! Read the source texts folks!
Hey Second Thought,
I don't know if you take requests or ideas from your users, but I hope you hear me out:
Do you remember that old Politizane video? 'Wealth inequality in America'. Back in 2012, the graphs of the expectations of wealth vs common understandings vs the actual *reality* of American wealth inequality proved to be the most striking visualization I have yet to see. What I propose to you is, what if you recreate that video and graph for the current state of the US?
I wonder if you could also include lines in that graph to show what the 'official' poverty rate is in the US, and show how many people live under it. You could also show an adjusted poverty rate that uses more realistic calculations, too, to show the disparity between what America defines 'poverty' as, and what true poverty looks like.
I hope you consider this! It would make a fantastic video!
Great video. I’ve often tried to have this conversation with class reductionists to little avail. Any revolutionary movement needs to understand the nuances and particularities of those oppressed.
I swear, it's like talking to a brick wall. Of course, those are people who trip up on the very beginning of this video: "it's the right thing to do". How do you talk to someone who fails to understand that very basic starting point?
The “class reductionists” have the correct position here - opening up the platform to various identity groups will alienate your movement from most members of the working class: all those identity groups will become a wedge that the corporate oligarchs can exploit to split you up - in the end, you be left with a small, fragile coalition on the edges of society with no control over the conversation taking place in the mainstream.
Win the class war first - once the corporate oligarchs are out of the way, then you can worry about this other stuff.
@@wilberwhateley7569 what does it feel like knowing you need to go over the hills? I can't sympathize with that.
BTW I mean something really dark by "over the hills", it has to do with no longer being alive
@@LiarJudas666 I hardly consider myself dead - I am just a realist. Just like in wars of armed conflict, the class war requires sacrifices to be made in order to achieve victory: just as a commander would abandon towns of lesser importance on the battlefield to the enemy to reinforce more vital positions, I am willing to leave the identity groups to their own devices while focusing all efforts on destroying the corporate oligarchs’ hold on the means of production.
You can’t have a war with no casualties, you know…
@@LiarJudas666 people have different arguments for socialism?:
Your doing a phantastic and important thing by telling the real meaning behinde socialism i am a sozialist too i am member of a sozialist party in swizerland. The picture is less grimm than in the us but the fight is not about borders its about pepole and the world we all live in and wee fight and demonstrate regularly for all the topics you talkes about and your depiction of sozialism is phantastic keep on and thanks for your amazing content.
Another awesome video. I always enjoy hearing your thoughts on different topics. :)
Let me put this in the most selfish terms I can imagine. (ESL warning.)
I am a retail worker. (not currently, but I've been.) Everyone who has been a retail worker KNOWS how it be. You need all hands on deck as soon as need arises. We all rely on each other at any moment.
One of my coworkers was Clarice. She liked espresso, lavender cologne and raccoons. (She LOVES raccoons.) Clarice is also a transwoman. It is on my absolute best interest, as a worker, that Clarice is taken care of, respected just like any other worker, gets equally paid, so on, so forth. I rely on Clarice as much as she relies on me when push comes to shove, so I need her to be on her best health both physically and mentally. Those things can only be achieved if she is socially equal to me, le cis straight male white. (IMO).
On the same note, it is ALSO on my best interest that she gets any help she needs to achieve her better life (as in, the medical care necessary to fully transition if she wishes to) and that she is respected outside of the job since work isnt all there is to life and an unhappy person simply isnt up to the task of being an efficient coworker. Nor would she support my needs as a coworker (if we were to strike or form an union, lets say) if she's not feeling well or something is disturbing her outside of our job.
That's me being 100% selfish and taking away any concept of morals whatsoever. Now we add our own sensibilities to the mix. I've been (and still am) very critical of idpol stuff, but that doesnt mean that I cant realize how important intersectionality truly is and how we as leftists should defend it to achieve our goals. Call me class reductionist if you will, but I think that there IS a bigger enemy, and that we can only defeat it together.
Great way to explain it to hesitant people! Even though class is the primary form of oppression, it’s still informed by these other forms of oppression.
@@SecondThought Thanks, JT.
It is important to say, in all honesty, that there IS a sub-sector of the left (or, lets say, several sub-sectors of the left hidden under movements that legitimately seek equality that can be effectively applied in the real world) who try to push supremacy as "true equality" while completely forgetting the importance of other forms of oppression, including class struggle, which is core to them all. This is something that bothers me and I think that it stifles the growth of the left if allowed to run rampant.
However, those people are, luckily, apocaliptically online and almost inexistent in the real world. It should be a priority for us on the left to bolster real life movement where class consciousness can be spread in a natural way, and said natural way is, as you say in this video, almost completely intersectional. After all, underdog tends to help underdog, unless the first or second underdog is fed propaganda until they both think the other is the enemy. (Classic capitalism).
that's a really good comment 420/69
@@KairoStark
Clarice sounds like a lovely person. 😊
@@grmpEqweer She was. (and probably is, I honestly dont keep tabs on ex-coworkers). Getting her gifts was incredibly easy: as long as it was raccoon themed she'd love it.