You were wrong on the initial part of the deal Marvel and Sony made. The deal that made it so that Sony would have to make a new Spider-Man movie every 5 years wasn't until around 2009 after Disney bought Marvel that Sony had to make a new Spider-Man movie every 5 years. There are conflicting sources with who went to who for this deal, as some people say that it was Disney that offered Sony, others say it was Marvel, and the same with Sony. At around that time Sony wasn't doing too good, so the deal was renegotiated so they would get back the merchandising rights, and the TV productions. I only know this because of the fact that Spectacular Spider Man couldn't be continued because Sony had lost the TV production rights when the deal was renegotiated. In short words Sony had it all with no issues before 2009, and only afterwards did they have restrictions on the movie deals.
Spiderman isn't a video game hero though. He's a comic book hero. You wouldn't call Mario a comic book hero since there are Super Mario comics would you?
Not really, if they don't make a deal it is because they didn't feel the need to. Unless sonys film devision suddenly starts doing really well, they will eventually be sold and the rights transfer back to marvel. So Disney just waits and reaps the merchandising profits in the meantime.
Disney gets 100% of merchandising toys etc... then wants 50/50 split. Im no math expert but in a broader spectrum that means disney would be getting more.
As a fan, i don't regret the decision of Sony, they made the raimy trilogy, into the spider verse, and also the PS4 game from insomniac. Disney has demonstrated that can't handle the quality in a lot of their franchises (Star wars/most of their reebot/ the sequel of recent animated movies). Why in the world you would give Disney this character?!?
@@a.v.s.c9150 well…good thing he’s wasn’t, bc that would of meant no Spider-Man 3 having a multiverse with toby and Andrew…but I know what you mean, Kevin fiege is a genius and Spider-Man could be EVEN more epic if Sony wasn’t holding them back (to a certain extent, but they also did give us “Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse”)
@@Mel0nMel 😳😳😳 have you not seen Spider-Man homecoming, Spider-Man far from home…wow Tom Holland is amazing btw…literally how to loose respect for someone lol
So... Basically, Disney is greedy. I mean, they made Spider-Verse merch $$$. Sony didn't. They only made movie $$$. Go to a Disney store, they sell the Miles Morales spray painted Spider-Man mask, shirt, sweater, etc (+)
El Plebe Uchiha I dislike when someone says a multimedia conglomerate is “greedy”. That doesn’t give any insight into what happened. Duh a corporation’s goal is to make money, that’s the same with any capital venture ever. It’s the process of HOW they plan to make money that is important. It isn’t just the one Scrooge Mcduck deciding to be greedy. The decision was probably made through various board meetings and stuff deciding what factors to consider and how much each factor should weigh into the final decision.
@@midshipman8654 Disney is clearly greedy they want to have a monopoly without passing the legal boundaries into monopoly territory. A company can be greedy they clearly didn't need 50% when they were getting all the merchandise and sony was only making money off the movie
Robert Grant my point is that “greedy” is a prerequisite. What matters is the extent and how. Why would Disney NOT Press their advantage? It’s not a charity. They are not getting much PR directly from it. I’m not saying this is a good thing, I’m saying that calling them greedy is redundant. Disney could do a whole bunch of things that would be considered “nice”, but why would they?
It makes sense. No matter what, Disney makes money off of merchandise, producing spiderman movies or not. The amount of money Disney made Sony with their workers is insane. A 50/50 split for how many people, effort, and money disney puts in sounds fair. You're including the merchandising as if that should be accounted, and not as if Disney already has that.
@@iangathogo9750 yes they can make better stand alone spiderman films but they have to try and keep this spider man to last longer then the other versions
I think this is the crux of the issue. The MCU lost its two biggest draws (Iron Man and Cap), are likely retiring others (Thor), and face an uncertain future with new characters (to the universe) and fatigue. The ONE asset that has staying power is Spiderman. This was a tactic from a position of weakness in my opinion, and Sony held firm. I enjoy Spidey in the MCU as much as any other nerd, but I think films like Spiderverse show Sony is capable of still producing, just got to trust the talent to make it happen.
@@coastersandculture2125 I know right, di$ney just want another money making shit for their mcu. Also tom holland's spiderman is BLAND as fuck. Sony did a better job at Spiderman movies with Sam Raimi's Trilogy and Into Spiderverse.
@@Therizinosaurus yeah even Amazing spideman movies shows spiderman properly, except the stories are bad their but not spiderman. Tom is just worst spiderman.
america government is really easily tampered with money. and it you got enough time you can put your people on the anti-trust board and court of appeals to eliminate needless arbitration
How can this be a monopoly, when DC is still out there ? If Disney gets each and every superhero in every universe, only then can it be called monopoly.
Hridhay Kiran no they wouldn’t exactly because marvel made billions off merchandise alone of course movie sales were higher but marvel is clearly a high producer for long term sales and the strength of the characters future I would have taken that and let them do all the work
@@ericblackwell70 they are talking about the Spiderman merchandising rights which Sony sold to Disney after buying the complete rights for Spiderman. Marvel is gaining no profit with the Spiderman merchandises, Disney is. Disney made a deal with Sony in 2015 that Sony would give 5% of their Spiderman films' profit to Disney while Disney earns 100% profit from the merchandising rights. Now Disney is asking 50% Spiderman film profit which Sony owns + 100% Spiderman merch profit which Sony sold to Disney. Disney has bought the entire rights for Marvel Entertainment. Disney is now the one that pulls the strings of Marvel.
lmao the guy has again shown he's an ignorant moron with his shitty takes.. "Sony is on its last legs" like wtf! they also have the most successful spidey videogames ip, the whole spiderverse and venom is doing more than fine, did he coincidentally forgot that Holland spiderman is also of Sony making, not Disney! Lastly, just go watch the spiderman cartoons they have on Disney+, they're boring, generic and quite simply fucking ass!!
@Bobby Tawil What? Solo was a blast and TLJ was great. I thought so anyway. I was referring to TFA. Which I happen to agree wasn't awful, but wasn't really fun or noteworthy as a Star Wars movie or even a film in general imo. And it was pretty much just A New Hope 2 in plenty of ways. I still wouldn't say that's enough to have "ruined a Star Wars". Hell, even if you don't like the new films, saying that they "ruin Star Wars" is a bit odd, as surely you'd still love the original films and maybe other material despite that.
He is for me. Seeing him in the last two Avengers movies was the most fun and glee I ever had in any movie recently. But I don't blame Sony for doing this, even though I still fear they might screw it up on their own again.
@sydneyhundre d Disney approached them with the fifty-fifty deal once and like after the one time it was discussed, Sony rejected harshly and pulled him out of the MCU and no Sony doesn't make the scripts idiot.
Call me crazy, but I'm glad Disney lost a bit of control over property. They already own so much and have creative control over other people's work in their industry, but they're creatively bankrupt. And I was one of the few who opposed the Disney-Fox buyout because I figured Disney would shut down numerous Fox studios which they did; I don't want people losing their jobs just so the Avengers can meet the X-men. And I also like movies that take risks like Deadpool's R-rating and Spiderverse's animation variety rather than water down PG-13 for broader audience.
Yeah they don't have creative control over that character and the only films they have are when he is a part of avengers who already had iconic characters so they don't necessarily need an another character to back shoved into the team especially one who they can't freely create standalone films with
Disney is the problem they have so much control and power over the films and franchises, they just got greedy and lost Spider-Man even through it sounds like they get most of their money from the merchandise.
OneYuDBZSlayers yeah in comparison Sony pictures is a much smaller production studio so they need Spider-Man more than marvel do. So they have more of a reason to fight for this character
I agree There was no reason to renegotiate the terms with Sony. Spiderman far from home grossed so much money and become the highest selling Sony picture EVER. Disney Saw all that money Sony made and even though they got Millions from their first day 5% share of the sales they got greedy and thought they could split the profits with sony 50/50. Disney doesn't need the money from the Spiderman films they make more then enough off merchandising. Disney just back stabbed their fans by making an offer that Sony would never have excepted and then they announced the news that the deal fell through with Sony and painted them as the bad guys. Anyone who is actually keeping up with the facts on this news should see that it's all disneys fault and we shouldn't direct our anger towards Sony.
Sony holding IP hostage is a bad thing? How about Disney lobbying congress to keep extending IP laws so that Mickey Mouse doesn't enter the public domain. Because of Disney, a lot of IP that should be released to the public, keep getting held back by corporations and estates of artists who have been dead for decades. Fans will suffer if Disney always gets its way.
@@MEDOBOLT, In that case, Spiderman isn't Disney's character either, it's Marvel's, more specifically Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's character. People sell rights and ownership of characters all the time.
Tom Holland was an amazing Spider-Man but was more of an emotional character that was tied to the MCU altogether. The reason you like Tom was because you loved the MCU. And he was tied to all that. Tom was a part of the bigger picture and all other feature characters made him more likable. Tobey was in a stand-alone Spider-Man movie. Didn’t need Nick Fury. etc or the MCU to be a great film and an amazing Spider-Man.
I beg to differ. How long is it since you saw the Tobey Maguire movies? He was absolutely terrible in the role. Partly outside of his control. He was just way too pathetic in those movies. His life was way too sad. He didn't even sound convincing as a Spider-Man. His villains in the first 2 movies were absolutely terrific and JK Simmons as J. Jonah Jamesson is basically perfect casting but other than that the Reimi trilogy had heaps of issues with their tone and overall arcs. These are my opinions but I just don't get why people keep praising Maguire for his subpar part in those movies. I think he absolutely sucked and was arguably the worst spidey we've ever gotten.
@@sindri1447 He being pathetic or having a sad life in the movies is not a problem from Tobey, but from the script, even then the script made total sense given the fact that they are, Idk, f*cking Spiderman movies, a depiction of how troublesome being a superhero can be from an ordinary guy with tons of responsabilities, exactly what the comics were about, exactly what made Spiderman, Spiderman. Not sure what your whining is about, because is not like the Raimi Trilogy were sad edgy movies, on the contrary, they were pretty light-hearted with tons of natural humor in them.
I said this before but if they were allowed to make a 3rd mcu Spiderman movie that ended Peter's ark people would probably be a lot more calm about all this
@@Jzombi301 because if the 3rd mcu Spiderman movie ended his ark people would probably be more calm about this I mean I'm sure some people would still be upset but I guarantee that people would be far more calmer about this because at least the 3rd movie would've gave him a full on conclusion to his character
The 30% they asked seemed fair enough. It's 25% more than they got before. For a giant like Sony that money shouldn't matter much if Spider-Man movies make a billion in box office. But clearly it does. Disney isn't blameless here but neither is Sony.
@@mahchestro9144 Its so nice that you are comfortable with offering 30% of someone elses property away LoL. With a successful Venom and Spiderverse why would Sony change the agreement in Marvels favor? They dont need Marvel to push their own film agenda forward. If either of the two needs the deal it would be Marvel since they lost of their good heroes and have pushed Spiderman as the new Iron Man. Sony doesnt need the MCU so they have no reason to give away their stuff. And they arent the ones who tried to change the deal so of course they are blameless. The only way you can assign blame to them is if you are one of those people who believe thag Sony has to take L's for the sake of your entertainment.
@@shihoblade Someone elses propery? Give away? Sir... are you on some tough medicine. If you hadn't realised by now. The MCU version of Spider-Man is entirely a Marvel concept. Sony had very little to do with that. And it worked. People were once again excited about Spider-Man after the disastrous Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man. The fact that they are done with the deal cause they can make more money on their own is gonna backfire. 2 great live action movies and 1 great animated movie isn't gonna change the shitty reputation Avi Arad has brought Spidey. Now it might continue and if they fail again. That might be just the last we'll see Spidey for a very long time. They had a sure thing with Marvel. They make billions for Sony. Even with the 30%. It would've been both financially and creatively more successful if they had taken the deal. Think about it like this. If they fail their next movie and it gets let's say... 500 million dollars. That will be the end. And no one has asked Sony to give away anything. The deal was fair to both parties. Sony sold their toy rights to Disney years ago so that's not the fault of Disney.
@@mahchestro9144 MCU Spiderman still belongs to Sony. He was on loan so yeah still their property. Far from home made a Billion so taking the deal would amount to 500 million anyway and they have no reason to pursue so hard. They can have Holland if they want him but they dont need him. Venom and the Spiderverse. Live action Miles or spider Gwen. They got tons of options that dont require Marvels help at all. Of course they rejected that pointless deal that greedy Marvel who already eats up Spideys merchandising suggested.
Imagine Disney buying Sony - a beautiful disaster. Fun fact, if Disney did buy Sony, Walt Disney would own 40.7% of the US/ CA market share in the film/ TV industry. Let that sink in.
That Japanese government would never allow it, plus Sony already said they don't plan on selling part of their business , All their divisions are making big profits and they want to continue to grow them. Sony returning to form again and there doing it fast.
@@BlueTyphoon2017 Japanese law states that none of the businesses in thier country would be bought by a western company or any other foreign company that could buy them.
Pretty fair considering Marvel does literally ALL the work All Sony has is an old piece of paper and a Lot of shitty spiderman movies They're literally draining from Marvel and the fans
From this entire video it gave the impression Disney was doing the bad thing (which they were) then at the end you blamed Sony as if they're in the wrong and should just give Spider-Man away when Disney is basically robbing them
Bruh, I this is exactly what I was thinking. Especially when I look at them as companies, I understand that Spiderman belong to marvel I do. Word to Ol'Stan! But if we are talking about which company I trust more, Disney has been fucking up for a good while now (outside of Marvel) that I don't think will stop anytime soon so.... keep spidey where he is.
@@benwatkin7734 Spider-Man is an asset created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko for Marvel, a company that was bought by Disney. Disney owns the image, idea and ability to create any sort of media *other than films/movies* representing Spider-Man as a character. Sony legally bought the rights to present Spider-Man in films/movies from Marvel before Marvel was bought by Disney to stop them from going under. That's my understanding anyway.
@@kristinnkristinsson1369 okay fair enough it's just I think it's unfair that marvel can't use their biggest character freely in their biggest movie series of all time.
Honestly Spider-Man is better off in Sony, hope they can explore all the other spiderman characters even more without having to include whatever's going on in the MCU.
Completely agree, I don’t really like how every marvel character is being thrown into other films to the point where every marvel film is just becoming the avengers.
@@Happymonday2015 agreed, all of them need to have independent film franchises about their characters as well as the avengers, similar to the phase 1 of the MCU.
I'm so confused about how you structured this video. 90% of it was about how it's much better for Sony to have the rights and then at the end, it was kind of like "oh I hope Disney gets him back soon"
Yes and no. They are att this moment in preproduction on Venom 2 and currently Spiderman is still partnerd whit marvel studios. If he leves, then he might be in Venom 3 (funny enough) or in a standalone movie (whit Tom Hollend), but this is al just a big IF.
@@thehalobrony9050 I don't think so Sony will be able to get Tom Holland to sign for their movie. "Legal stuffs" and all you know... Cuz Disney were the one who casted Tom Holland as Spiderman.
@@rawvid9065 Pornhub is a smaller scale, but they're literally big enough that they can manipulate pornography laws in the UK and own pretty much every general porn site.
@@kohkisparten117 eh those aren't the best examples. in fact, AMD still exists due to the monopoly law. Remember in 2014 when their market price was literally $1 and they were making NO money? There are only two dexktop cpu and gpu manufacturers because they are so complicated to make, and they're constantly pushing the physical limits of silicon development. Its not like making a car or some clothes where you just need to know the general steps. You guys are kinda getting the law confused: you can legally make as much dollar money as you want you just cant OWN everything, as in smaller companies. There must be at least one competitor in every market, with a few exceptions (certain regional power and energy providers are monopolies) none of the companies you mentioned are anywhere close to a monopoly nor do they even own smaller companies outside of Microsoft and Google. Also, Android is owned by google and not its own separate nor "parent" company so im substituting that for you.
Tbh it was alot was diffirent with Star wars mainly to do with Lucasfilm and the way they built that up and plus you can't say you shudder to think what they'd do cos we've seen what they'd do in homecoming & ffh which have had good success and plus I don't think Disney really gets that Involved in what marvel studios & Kevin feige is doing
Yes they messed up star wars but marvel have been doing well and if Disney had spiderman they could make a series like they did with wandavision or winter soldier
Its not at all ludacris. The studio is struggling why would they pass up an opportunity to spend less on a film. 🤷🏿♂️ considering how much more they'd make is they didn't have to keep rebooting
@@IncognitoSprax 700 million maybe alot to all of us and even you, but its probably not enough to keep a gigantic company like Sony afloat. Hell it's so bad that they considered selling what they have to Apple and gave merch right to Disney. If 700 million was enough they wouldn't make those decisions in the first place.
Yeah. Disney is greedy af and it's mostly their fault but the safer decision would be for Sony to accept it. It's a gamble as to whether or not the next film will do well but I'm hoping that it does and I have a feeling that they will do something really good that we weren't expecting
@@Mark-xw5yt It's not a gamble at all. Their lowest grossing movie still made over $700 million. The only reason we didn't get an Amazing Spider-Man 3 was because Andrew Garfield personally pissed off Kaz Hirai.
@@Mark-xw5yt its probably going to meet expectations but at what cost? Imagine all the fans who enjoyed Spiderman teaming up with the Avengers having to see the same Spiderman act like nothing happened? And what about the children?! They are going to bother there parents asking why isn't spiderman in the next Avengers movie.
1:40 But its true. Most of the other Marvel characters were unknown by the general public. Literally no one gave a shit. X-Men and Spiderman were Marvel's biggest IPs.
@Mystique Dreamer Well I know nothing about the Eternals, but now Im super looking forward to seeing the movie, cause I know the MCU will end up doing something cool.
Right? It's not that these multi-million dollar characters existed, just waiting to be plucked and put in a movie. They didn't just magically appear as fan favorites. They could have been like Toy Story and make one of their biggest characters a piece of trash, and STILL made millions. OMG there is so much wrong with this video!!!!
Disney-Marvel was literally doing all the work on the homecoming movies while Sony just sat on their asses and demanded money because they owned the rights. How does that seem fair to you? Plus if Sony keeps getting their way we're just gonna keep seeing half assed solo Spider-Man villain movies like Morbius and Venom just so Sony doesn't lose the rights to Spider-Man. Sony doesn't care about the fans at all. Those movies are literally just made to buy them time. I don't see how anyone can defend Sony they're literally the greediest company and stick their grubby hands in everything from videogames, televisions, movies, music, headphones, cameras, phones, batteries, computers, insurance, and banks. No other company does that shit and focuses on either hardware, software, or entertainment.
I want to live with harmony but not with what Disney is doing now with She-hulk and other shitty Disney+ shows I really hope they don’t ruin daredevil (I also want to be inside harmony)
From what a gather Sony was perfectly willing to renew that joint contract under the same conditions as before but NO Disney got greedy and wanted far more of the cut than they were getting previously. FFS Disney you make *enough money*
@@Snaketrainer well yeah sony bought the intellectual property from marvel when they had financial problems now your upset the original holders of the license has merchandising rights?
@@tarfielarchelone2674 Marvel is Disney now. Original holders my ass; They cashed out when disney bought them. Also, IDK what you're smoking, but last time I checked, 25 % is fucking huge. That's at least 250 mill a year. But I guess that's chump change for your rich ass. Ignore me if thats the case.
1:50 I mean you say that, but at the time Spiderman was the only real marvel character anyone cared about outside of the X-Men, it was only after Disney's Marvel Cinematic Universe that all these characters were realized in a way that actually made them appealing, and I am not certain Sony would be able to pull that off as successfully, or if at all, so calling their decision a mistake feels... uninformed at best.
True but they’ve been improving recently with Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam. And I’m actually interested in the Joker movie to see how Juaquin Phoenix portrays the Joker
@@vadamsvengeance3219 Yes, Warner, and DC are getting better, but they could still drop the ball at any time now, and I hope that doesn't happen anytime soon.
yea but im happy they havent sold. I dont worry about them because theyve made amazing cartoons and good animated movies, so I think they'll eventually make another dark knight or wonder woman. Just give them some time and a few more mistakes lol. While i didnt really feel shazam (shazam and billy batson honestly seemed like totally different people), aquaman was badass
UPDATE: DISNEY DID NOT buy back Spider-Man, they reached a two picture “loan” deal. That is not what this video is about. Disney still does not own the film rights to Spider-Man as of December of 2019. Who was the best live action Spider-Man? I think Sony has learned enough to make a good film (at least I hope?) UPDATE AGAIN: As of 2021 Disney is still on a loan deal with Spidey. They still do not own the film rights to Spidey. Sony still owns the big screen rights. ALSO READ: Disney’s 5 percent take was on first day numbers!
Love seeing this after watching No Way Home. Let Sony do their thing with the Spiderverse. One of the most crucial characters in marvel has a whole separate world being funded that is now tied to the MCU as a whole.
@@robl0xgamer258 Marvel sold the movie rights of Spider-Man to Sony, so Sony owns all rights to spider man in the movies. It’s not about deserving or knowing spider man it’s about money and Sony paid for Spider-Man.
@@robl0xgamer258 I mean they didn’t boot spider man, they sold him because marvel was going bankrupt. Disney bought marvel long after that. I like the MCU and Disney movies, but I hate Disney as a company. That’s why I was more in favor of Sony than Disney.
hkr006 True, but at the end of the day Marvel/ Disney is still the winner. Like he said in the video, the real money is made from merchandising which Disney makes 100% of. So even if Sony manages to make a Disney level success movie with Spider-Man... Disney is still making more money
I hope they dont cut out connections to the larger universe in the sequel because of this fiasco. I loved the easter eggs like Avengers tower, the Wakandan embassy, and the sanctum sanctorum
@@LUCKO2022 and plus The Spiderman ps4 wouldn't exist if Sony didn't give them money and plus they bought insomniac, the studio that made spiderman ps4
How? Sony's Venom has literally no connection with this Spidey, that's shoe-horning of the highest levels. Maybe you should definitely work for Sony, you'd fit in with the rest of the "we have no fucking clue how storytelling works" committee.
Kanakalala🌺 I don’t think it would be with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man though. I’m not saying it would be terrible just that it would be bad business. I also can’t rly tell why it would *need* to be rated R? I don’t rly know the exact limitations that pg-13 would put on a Spider-Man movie, especially given who Peter Parker is
jayhartRIC marvel are literal gods they are the saviors for the movie industry i don’t care if they asked for 100% of the money honestly give them whatever the fuck they want
i agreed with you up until you said "holding spider-man IP hostage." hostage from....what, exactly? the fans? tom holland has a deal with SONY, not disney. sony has no reason to re-boot the current franchise. sony will continue to make SpideyTom films. they can do cooler things with it too--depending on what deals Holland is willing to strike, we could see an ENTIRE EVOLUTION of spiderman, maybe get our own live-action spiderverse (seriously am i the ONLY one who's interested in having Tobey and Tom onscreen together??) we could see a live-action spidey-miles and spider-gwen. there's no reason fans "can't have" more SpideyTom films, or spiderman films in general.
I love your optimism but if i'll bet my life on it sony would screw up spiderman just like most of the time. Yeah yeah spiderverse is great and sp2 is great but they can't make an mcu quality spidey film thats for sure. Feige is just such an amazing president
@@vincentlouisebeltran809 ehh MCU quality is pretty average they have a few movies that are better than average but most are either plain safe or garbage. I'm personally glad the whole universe of heros was a cool idea at first but it kinda got old and phase 4 is looking like crap.
I mean they could do that but then they couldn't mention anything about the MCU or any of the characters in it. It would be kinda weird if they made a couple more movies and Iron Man or any of the Avengers were never mentioned.
@@thepastasalt2278 *weird, and absolutely Better. Spidey is a kid. a baby boy with hUGE problems, who gets shit on all the time, and tries and fails so often. that's what makes him RELATABLE. give me Peter B Parker levels of messed-up laughable loser over Spidey Who's Every Problem Is Solved By A Billionaire ANY. DAY.
You said it yourself: It would create a monopoly and monopolies are ALWAYS bad for consumers, or in this case, fans. Maybe short term we get some crap movies, but long term it ensures a diverse marketplace of ideas. Disney is getting so damn greedy and everyone is starting to say it out loud, more often, every day. They are depending on the goodwill they've built with us, as childen (think about that), to carry them through every predatory financial attack they attempt. That goodwill is starting to run out. Uncle Disney is gonna be invitied to less BBQs, less family functions, and be talked about behind His back until eventually, the next generation have an entirely different concept of WHAT Disney IS. And it won't be anything close to what we thought of when we heard the word 'Disney' growing up.
Yes i agree, dont want Disney to buy Sony. It will create a monopoly in the industry. But I just want marvel to have spider-man back. Spider-man comebeck home to marvel doesn't make Disney a monopoly company.
@@sillygoose635 yes, went I think again it will make Disney more monopoly. But i just hate what sony have done with spider-man in previous movie. It feels like went you give someone your car to rent and they destroy the car.
Disney has always been this way. They stole all their movie ideas and pretty much replicated Japan's "kimba the white lion" for the Lion King movie and sold it as an original.
I was there with you till the minute 7:30 Stan lee once said that not everything has to be gay and spider man should never be one because it was just designed this way. Nowadays these woke companies wanna sexualize everything and I much rather have Sony having full ownership of spidey than Disney. Disney got outta control shoving agendas and doctrines down our throats
The worst part of all of this is that Sony selling the merchandising rights to Marvel completely fucked over animated Spider-Man shows like Spectacular Spider-Man, and proceed to usher in a new era of low quality Disney XD level Spider-Man shows from then on.
How is Disney the "villain" by offering to reduce Sony's burden on the front end - the production cost? Right now - or at least under the previous agreement with Marvel - Sony pays 100% of productions costs and gets 95% of the return. They're literally giving away 5% of their profit for nothing. Yes, Disney is asking for 50% of the box office, but that's AFTER putting up 50% of the production cost. Look at the numbers: Say the next movie cost $200 million to produce and market and makes $800 million at the box office. The studio gets (roughly) half of the box office (because movie theatres really do get to keep part of that money, ya know), so that's $400 million. It takes $200 million just to recoup the investment, to get back to zero, so that leaves Sony with $190 profit on an investment of $200 million. That's a multiplier of 0.95. They made 95 cents profit for every dollar they invested. It's not a loss, but it's not great. Now, under the same situation, with the deal Disney offered, Sony spent $100 million out of pocket. They get the same $400 million from the box office, split in half with Disney, leaving them with $200 million. $100 million to get back to zero, and $100 million in profit. Yes, the actual profit number is lower, but so was the investment. It's a 1.0 multiplier - they make 1 full dollar of profit for every dollar they invested. In business, this is called "return on investment," and while the raw dollars make better headlines, ROI makes for happier stockholders. But sure, forget the actual numbers. Disney's just the bad guy.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media sony needs those movies to make money. Disney still makes all the profit on merch, which makes more than the movies. If Disney wants more money from the movie they should discuss merch as well. Disney is 100% the bad guy.
@@osha_t4 If you think Sony NEEDS these movies to make money, I'd posit you don't understand the scale of Sony as a corporation.Their movie studio is actually one of the smallest branches of their corporate empire. Sony Pictures Entertainment - which includes not only movies, but television, video games, mobile games, etc - makes around $9-10 billion revenue a year (a very rough search shows $9.13 billion in FY 2017). Sony Corporation, as a whole, is reporting an expected 8.67 trillion yen in revenue, which is roughly $81 billion in current conversion. That means the SPE money is about 1/8th of the total income of the company as a whole. Sony is a MASSIVE company. The movies (and television, and games) are some fun little side-action they run, but it is not crucial to their corporate welfare to have these movies be hits. You want more proof? They're still kicking after the terrible Raimi #3 and the Garfield films, and they just keep cranking out Spidey films, regardless of the losses that came before.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media Losses? What are you talking about? Spider-Man 3 is the second highest grossing film in the franchise, only recently beat by Far From Home, Homecoming didn't top it. Both Amazing Spider-Man movies made over 700mil each. The only film to not break 700mil was Spider-Verse.
honestly, they can move their whole movie department back to Japan and make another Japanese Sipaidaman rather than give full control to Disney and give the star wars treatment to spidey.. honestly, I'll be happy even with just Spiderman videogames if it meant Sony retains their last few rights..
Thank god he is dead but he did his part... He can rest in piece with the other legends.... Let the other birds take the rest of the scraps.... Hahahah
I think what he means it it wasn't actually their true aim. It was a stupid unreasonable deal, half of movie sales and all of merchandising? you would have to be crazy to accept that. If for some reason they did agree to it, I am sure Disney would be thrilled, But I bet they knew it wouldn't work. They want spiderman back in Marvel's possession so they can get all of the movie sales, and I guess the best way they came up with was to sever their deal and wait for sony to fuck it up again, fans to turn on them (already happening), and for them to either agree to the unreasonable deal or out right sell the rights to them.
It's not that they don't want it, because they obviously want more money. It's that they don't need it. Merchandise will always trump film profit. Especially when it's a kid-friendly, superhero franchise like Spider-Man.
Let's be honest. Sony didnt create Spiderman, but the guys who did dont own the character too. All that spiderman merch, money from the movies and shows and comics? How much do you think Stan Lee and Steve Ditko got? Hint: None. Disney bought Marvel who paid someone else to make the character. I feel like Disney has too much under thier belt, and they kind of are getting greedy with spiderman. Theyre getting 100% merch rights to the most popular character in the world. Sony has made some missteps, but we got Spiderverse and Spiderman PS4 recently, both of which outdo anything Disney has done with the character. As long as Sony keeps the quality up, I see no reason this deal shouldn't work out.
@@vitocorleone4799 Can you please explain what Disney has ruined? Pixar seems to be doing fine, even if they are making too many sequels. Marvel is doing amazing with the MCU. They haven't really done anything with 20th Century Fox yet either. There is an argument that they ruined Star Wars after acquiring Lucasfilm but ruining one franchise does not warrant being labelled as a company who ruins whatever they touch. I hear people saying that Disney ruins everything a LOT and I'm not really seeing it. I just want to know what I'm missing.
As much as I'd like the MCU to continue to feature Spiderman, I believe Disney already holds way too much power over media in general. Besides, while Sony has misused Spiderman in his previous movies, Spiderverse gives me hope that they could indeed bring justice to the comic book icon.
Indeed, I'm still optimistic for Sony to go forward, and this is coming from someone in the minority that loves the TASM movies; I just been feeling that the character has been lacking seriousness in his stories, like there's no high stakes, no ground tone, no sacrifices, it just feels a bit too lighthearted, and yes Spider-Man is a lighthearted character, but with tough and serious consequences that teach him the problems of life, and I just haven't seen that in quite a long time
I'm not optimistic. It was clear that Spider Verse was originally Sony's attempt to milk a franchise, making an animated Spider-Man movie hoping that it would sell because of little kids. The only reason Spider Verse worked was because of the higher ups not interfering with Lord and Miller and the rest of team because it was a animated kids movie with Spider-Man that Sony thought would sell itself. Now look at what they're doing. Venom 2 is going full steam ahead, releasing next year, but we have no word on what's going to happen with Spider Verse 2. Plus, Sony has stated they wanted to milk Spider Verse as well, hoping to do even more spin offs. They're going to make a third and fourth Spider-Man movie with Tom Holland. This shows they never cared about the fans or storytelling, only about how to get the brand to make money. They aren't going to give directors creative freedom. They didn't do that for Spider-Man 3, Amazing Spider-Man 1&2, Venom, and MIB International. A lot of the stuff Sony puts out that the studio is actually heavily involved with does not do well. Plus Tom Rothman and Avi Arad are the worst.
honestly, i'm more worried for the mcu than i am spiderman. But both still need each other, because this version of spiderman is built for a cinematic universe
Positioning it as Sony "holding spiderman hostage" is a bit much. One less IP that Disney slurps up is a plus. Disney's MCU is tired and boring, and I'm glad Spiderman can be finding its cinematic footing outside of that, especially with more Spiderverse in the works. Sony Animation has also been blazing a trail of stylized animation to counteract disney/pixar's hyperrealistic same-face-syndrome.
@@thewalrus5198 it's like a car and you sell it. you don't own that car anymore. That's why marvel didn't have power cause they're owned by disney, they got paid already and do their job.
I thinks it's okay that Sony pictures has spider man, and Disney sharing the character for the MCU movies. I do think that Sony should still remain as their own company it is still sell they're products they can still sell they're PlayStation games, heck they can even still make movies. But the one thing to know is you can't sell one company to another because it's perfect just the way it is.
Cause they either have to reboot Spider-man again, or ignore everything MCU related in the third film like Iron Man, Happy, Mysterio's origin, Vulture's origin, Spider-Man in space and getting dusted, tech suit. So yeah. It's kind of a problem
@@J3009 not really. They just don't have to mention any of the things everyone hated about the 2 mcu Spidey films. Iron Man jr is just disrespectful to Spiderman. The Mysterio stuff can be ignored because it wasn't very good. And I'm so glad he's out of the mcu. SPIDERMAN is too big for that universe. I'd rather see him fight his own villians and not hang with iron Man. That's not cool in 2019, but hey, back in 2012, maybe. Most ppl are over it.
If you’re a movie nerd, maybe. If you’re a comic nerd, less so. I grew up with the comics so I guess I’m one of the latter. I quite like seeing him exist within the ‘MCU’. That said, I’m quite stoked about the possibility of Venom & Spidey, if I remember my early ‘80s comics correctly.
SerGTC both are to blame. Disney for being so greedy and not being content with the insane amount of money from Spider-Man merch and for even offering a deal change in the first place, and Sony for just straight up abandoning the deal and pulling Spider-Man from the MCU which hurts BOTH studios
@@Jzombi301 But at the same time, Sony was given a terrible deal. They didn't want to change it, Disney did. Which got Spidey out when they couldn't reach a deal they liked. In other words, Disney did not want to stay on that deal
Yeah, it's typical fanboy behavior. These are companies. If Disney wants Spider-man so bad, they have to pay up. Stop blaming Sony, because Disney decided to get super greedy.
@@Jzombi301 sony didnt abandon the deal!! Disney wanted to change the deal to suit themselves so Sony, which have the right to do, said thanks but no thanks, we will do our own thing!! Disney/Marvel being the greedy party as always!!
Achusttin I’m hopping the spider-verses movie and tv shows it spawns live up to the movie. I could see everything go downhill bit at the same time i could see it rise above marvel even. Sony will ride the spider-wave if venom and spider-verse do well. Also that next Tom Holland film, but I guess that's still connected to the mcu.
unlikely unfortunately, sony exces didnt interfere with spiderverse because they didnt think it would get money, now they've seen how well received it was you can be sure that avi arad or some asshole like him is going to try and fuck with it. In 4 years we'll see.
@@ojigbo But they have completely different people. I'm my opinion I think DC Films makes nothing but garbage but I think that DC Entertainment makes some of the best hero animated series and films. They are both DC but different departments filled with different people.
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I have a question why does'nt sony make a new deal
You were wrong on the initial part of the deal Marvel and Sony made. The deal that made it so that Sony would have to make a new Spider-Man movie every 5 years wasn't until around 2009 after Disney bought Marvel that Sony had to make a new Spider-Man movie every 5 years. There are conflicting sources with who went to who for this deal, as some people say that it was Disney that offered Sony, others say it was Marvel, and the same with Sony. At around that time Sony wasn't doing too good, so the deal was renegotiated so they would get back the merchandising rights, and the TV productions. I only know this because of the fact that Spectacular Spider Man couldn't be continued because Sony had lost the TV production rights when the deal was renegotiated. In short words Sony had it all with no issues before 2009, and only afterwards did they have restrictions on the movie deals.
Spiderman isn't a video game hero though. He's a comic book hero. You wouldn't call Mario a comic book hero since there are Super Mario comics would you?
Today is the day that spiderman has been taken away from Sony and now joins marvel. I ammmmmm soooooooo gassed that you are wrong
No Wolverine is
You’ll get your spider man when you fix this Damn door !
Marvel: Give me Spiderman or I’ll put some dirt in your eye.
🤣🤣🤣
Rent?
Give me rent
This meme is on every Spiderman video and I live it
This is gonna be hard for Disney since they're used to buying all their problems
Not really, if they don't make a deal it is because they didn't feel the need to. Unless sonys film devision suddenly starts doing really well, they will eventually be sold and the rights transfer back to marvel. So Disney just waits and reaps the merchandising profits in the meantime.
and that maked more problems in the process really
Saleem Peterson their lawyers will figure it out
They could've done it, but they're making plenty of money off merch.
@@rmat1291 Well, its starting to at least getting improved again, slowly but improving
Disney gets 100% of merchandising toys etc... then wants 50/50 split.
Im no math expert but in a broader spectrum that means disney would be getting more.
Red Raider Math expert here- you are correct !
didnt he say 50/50 for merch aswell?
yungrupert Nope Disney still gets 100 of merchandise
So Disney wants 150% then. 100% for merchandise and 50% movie profits, I'm no match expert myself but that's 150%
It's their character
As a fan, i don't regret the decision of Sony, they made the raimy trilogy, into the spider verse, and also the PS4 game from insomniac. Disney has demonstrated that can't handle the quality in a lot of their franchises (Star wars/most of their reebot/ the sequel of recent animated movies). Why in the world you would give Disney this character?!?
one man Kevin Fiege..he literally turned Avengers around.. Imagine if he gets his hands on Spider-Ma(I meant by full control).
@@a.v.s.c9150 well…good thing he’s wasn’t, bc that would of meant no Spider-Man 3 having a multiverse with toby and Andrew…but I know what you mean, Kevin fiege is a genius and Spider-Man could be EVEN more epic if Sony wasn’t holding them back (to a certain extent, but they also did give us “Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse”)
10000% agree, the spiderman game alone should show why sony is better off with spiderman
@@Mel0nMel 😳😳😳 have you not seen Spider-Man homecoming, Spider-Man far from home…wow Tom Holland is amazing btw…literally how to loose respect for someone lol
@@Mel0nMel Guys who work on Sony's game and animation movie are different from guys who work for Spider-Man live action movie...
Disney: We want 50/50
Sony: i've missed the part where thats my problem
Haha
I was searching comments for entertainment and you Sir just made my day
If you don't understand that quote, you're missing out.
SinisterzSanctuary Spider-verse > Rami movies
@@SinisterzSanctuary this might be controversial but in my opinion raimi movies are overrated
So... Basically, Disney is greedy.
I mean, they made Spider-Verse merch $$$. Sony didn't. They only made movie $$$. Go to a Disney store, they sell the Miles Morales spray painted Spider-Man mask, shirt, sweater, etc (+)
El Plebe Uchiha I dislike when someone says a multimedia conglomerate is “greedy”. That doesn’t give any insight into what happened. Duh a corporation’s goal is to make money, that’s the same with any capital venture ever.
It’s the process of HOW they plan to make money that is important. It isn’t just the one Scrooge Mcduck deciding to be greedy. The decision was probably made through various board meetings and stuff deciding what factors to consider and how much each factor should weigh into the final decision.
@@midshipman8654 Disney is clearly greedy they want to have a monopoly without passing the legal boundaries into monopoly territory. A company can be greedy they clearly didn't need 50% when they were getting all the merchandise and sony was only making money off the movie
Robert Grant my point is that “greedy” is a prerequisite. What matters is the extent and how. Why would Disney NOT Press their advantage? It’s not a charity. They are not getting much PR directly from it. I’m not saying this is a good thing, I’m saying that calling them greedy is redundant. Disney could do a whole bunch of things that would be considered “nice”, but why would they?
Sony doesn’t own the merchandise rights marvel does
It makes sense. No matter what, Disney makes money off of merchandise, producing spiderman movies or not. The amount of money Disney made Sony with their workers is insane. A 50/50 split for how many people, effort, and money disney puts in sounds fair. You're including the merchandising as if that should be accounted, and not as if Disney already has that.
never thought one of my favorite super heroes would be involed in a child custody battle
Its silly aint it, both Disney/Marvel and Sony are a bunch of kids.
@@Wolverine-ky9gk but Sony does better with him
LOL
@@iangathogo9750 yes they can make better stand alone spiderman films but they have to try and keep this spider man to last longer then the other versions
Disney: we made millions off of marvel with 10s of characters....
Sony pictures: made billions off of 1 character....
Disney: we want it...now
I think this is the crux of the issue. The MCU lost its two biggest draws (Iron Man and Cap), are likely retiring others (Thor), and face an uncertain future with new characters (to the universe) and fatigue. The ONE asset that has staying power is Spiderman. This was a tactic from a position of weakness in my opinion, and Sony held firm. I enjoy Spidey in the MCU as much as any other nerd, but I think films like Spiderverse show Sony is capable of still producing, just got to trust the talent to make it happen.
@@coastersandculture2125 I know right, di$ney just want another money making shit for their mcu. Also tom holland's spiderman is BLAND as fuck. Sony did a better job at Spiderman movies with Sam Raimi's Trilogy and Into Spiderverse.
@@Therizinosaurus yeah even Amazing spideman movies shows spiderman properly, except the stories are bad their but not spiderman. Tom is just worst spiderman.
Sony:no u dont get my money go rob a fucking bank if u want monwy
@@mvnsif exactly Disney is a little money hungry shit
Laws against monopoly: exists.
Disney: buys almost every major francies and network.
Laws: still exists, still not doing much about it.
america government is really easily tampered with money. and it you got enough time you can put your people on the anti-trust board and court of appeals to eliminate needless arbitration
Bobo Boy nice alliteration
Monopoly, don't you win by owning all competitors properties...is what cable companies are saying in their regions they control.
How can this be a monopoly, when DC is still out there ? If Disney gets each and every superhero in every universe, only then can it be called monopoly.
A monopoly is the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service
You said it yourself, Marvel makes that much in merchandising and they got greedy on the movies. They caused it not Sony
Right? He literally describes how its Marvel/Disneys greed causing this and then basically went ''So in conclusion its Sonys fault''
It’s not marvel it’s disney
Kitten Hermit it’s not marvel it’s Disney
@@Dareenah Marvel is a Disney property now so it's pretty much interchangeable...
Kitten Hermit yeah basically all fanboys
Everything was fine till Disney pitched that 50/50 idea.
I mean I don’t blame them really the old line was 95/5
@@imperfectninja6291 and merchandising which they own 100% of the rights. Sony would be stupid to accept that deal
Hridhay Kiran no they wouldn’t exactly because marvel made billions off merchandise alone of course movie sales were higher but marvel is clearly a high producer for long term sales and the strength of the characters future I would have taken that and let them do all the work
@@ericblackwell70 you are pretty lost
@@ericblackwell70 they are talking about the Spiderman merchandising rights which Sony sold to Disney after buying the complete rights for Spiderman. Marvel is gaining no profit with the Spiderman merchandises, Disney is. Disney made a deal with Sony in 2015 that Sony would give 5% of their Spiderman films' profit to Disney while Disney earns 100% profit from the merchandising rights. Now Disney is asking 50% Spiderman film profit which Sony owns + 100% Spiderman merch profit which Sony sold to Disney. Disney has bought the entire rights for Marvel Entertainment. Disney is now the one that pulls the strings of Marvel.
Sony’s “holding IPs hostage”? That’s a bit of a hyperbole, don’t you think?
YEAH, lets give more power to a company that has so much influence that it shook the entire 2D animation industry when it shut down its 2D department.
Yeah, this channel is a corporate shill for di$ney. I can say that to every studio owning any IP.
I'm not entirely sure I understand the comment, but I had the ability to make the likes 69, so I did.
@@deathrayman8074 if u made it 69 u understand it,thats all that matters
lmao the guy has again shown he's an ignorant moron with his shitty takes.. "Sony is on its last legs" like wtf! they also have the most successful spidey videogames ip, the whole spiderverse and venom is doing more than fine, did he coincidentally forgot that Holland spiderman is also of Sony making, not Disney! Lastly, just go watch the spiderman cartoons they have on Disney+, they're boring, generic and quite simply fucking ass!!
Even if you are right. I dont want disney to own anymore of the entertainment world. Its like 3/4 of everything is now disney's
Id like to direct you to erb Stan lee vs Jim Henson
Honestly I don't care as long as Spidey is put back where he belongs and we keep getting good films.
@Bobby Tawil Ruined Star Wars? They made one bad film, and even that one wasn't _awful._
@Bobby Tawil What? Solo was a blast and TLJ was great. I thought so anyway. I was referring to TFA. Which I happen to agree wasn't awful, but wasn't really fun or noteworthy as a Star Wars movie or even a film in general imo. And it was pretty much just A New Hope 2 in plenty of ways. I still wouldn't say that's enough to have "ruined a Star Wars". Hell, even if you don't like the new films, saying that they "ruin Star Wars" is a bit odd, as surely you'd still love the original films and maybe other material despite that.
@@melancholyentertainment
Lol shut up you embarrassing your bloodline
I can't blame them for fighting over him. Spider Man is my favorite Super Hero for a lot of reasons, and he likely is for many others too.
He is for me. Seeing him in the last two Avengers movies was the most fun and glee I ever had in any movie recently. But I don't blame Sony for doing this, even though I still fear they might screw it up on their own again.
@@michaelstrong5383 Well, we only have to wait and see, they should learn some things from Spider-Verse
@@michaelstrong5383 Tobey is the reason for me. I love Sam Raimi's trilogy, but I also like Tom as my second. I also like the 90s animated series.
@@TayoEXE For me it's:
The Spectacular Spider-Man
Tobey Maguire
Tom Holland
The 90's cartoon
Into the Spider-Verse
but the Spidey from the mcu has barely anything to do with the character, as is in fact the problem several characters in the mcu has
So Disney wants more money but everyone blame sony. Ok.
Yes
Pretty much
They made the deal once and Sony went full on bitch mode and pulled him out of the MCU
@sydneyhundre d Disney approached them with the fifty-fifty deal once and like after the one time it was discussed, Sony rejected harshly and pulled him out of the MCU and no Sony doesn't make the scripts idiot.
@@ericstorm6582 Lol you missed part of "Sony reject but still open to discussion" While Disney pulled out and calling Sony greedy hahahahaha
Marvel: You can have these characters
Sony: I dont want those characters, I want pictures of SpiderMan!
😂❤️
Let's just forget Sony made the best animated movie last year, and Into the spiderverse exceeded everyone's expectations.
I know right!
Lets just forget how the first Spiderman movie started the entire comic-movie age. 🤷♀️
Violet Fyxe it was actually x-men 2 years prior and realistically it was blade who did it first
@@violet-trash you're dumb as fuck if you think that
Wrong. 🕵🏻♂️
Call me crazy, but I'm glad Disney lost a bit of control over property. They already own so much and have creative control over other people's work in their industry, but they're creatively bankrupt. And I was one of the few who opposed the Disney-Fox buyout because I figured Disney would shut down numerous Fox studios which they did; I don't want people losing their jobs just so the Avengers can meet the X-men. And I also like movies that take risks like Deadpool's R-rating and Spiderverse's animation variety rather than water down PG-13 for broader audience.
Goodvillain 101 Thank you so much for saying this.
We must have the same mind set because I thought the exact same way with all of this madness
@Mathilda I'm sure the MCU can manage without Iron Spider, a.k.a. Stark's errand boy, a.k.a. Iron Man junior, a.k.a. Stark's Spiderboy.
@Mathilda So? MCU makes tons of money has tons of projects without Spiderman
@@goodvillain1015 I'm pretty sure SpiderStark can manage without the MCU.
*Implying sam raimi's spiderman 3 isn't a cinematic masterpiece*
"I'll put dirt in your eye"
That movie has got to be the most underrated film of the Spider-Man films.
My favorite in the trilogy
I though Spider Man 1 and 3 are both equal 9/10's, Spider Man 2 was clearly the best though.
He'll think it's a cinematic masterpiece when you fix this damn door.
*implying andrew garfield's spider-man movies were another mistake*
"I'm sorry that just isn't the answer we were looking for"
Mcu/disney has done the impossible. they turned the most iconic character of marvel into a SIDEKICK!!!!
Yeah
100%
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, they did WHAT? They made him a sidekick? When did this happen?
@@shiloh9557 iron man
Yeah they don't have creative control over that character and the only films they have are when he is a part of avengers who already had iconic characters so they don't necessarily need an another character to back shoved into the team especially one who they can't freely create standalone films with
In all fairness, nobody DID give a s**t about said Marvel characters back then.
how far back are we talking here?
Before 2008
@@unsaidrumble1790 eh, i think spider-man was pretty big for the cartoons and raimi films at the time
@@sonicjamal230 I was excluding the spiderman films
Also, if Sony did buy those characters, the MCU probably never would have happened.
Disney is the problem they have so much control and power over the films and franchises, they just got greedy and lost Spider-Man even through it sounds like they get most of their money from the merchandise.
True they are and I don't like the fact that some people blame Sony for this.
OneYuDBZSlayers yeah in comparison Sony pictures is a much smaller production studio so they need Spider-Man more than marvel do. So they have more of a reason to fight for this character
I agree There was no reason to renegotiate the terms with Sony. Spiderman far from home grossed so much money and become the highest selling Sony picture EVER. Disney Saw all that money Sony made and even though they got Millions from their first day 5% share of the sales they got greedy and thought they could split the profits with sony 50/50. Disney doesn't need the money from the Spiderman films they make more then enough off merchandising. Disney just back stabbed their fans by making an offer that Sony would never have excepted and then they announced the news that the deal fell through with Sony and painted them as the bad guys. Anyone who is actually keeping up with the facts on this news should see that it's all disneys fault and we shouldn't direct our anger towards Sony.
Disney doesn't need the rights to spiderman now if they didn't have the rights to the Avengers that would be a problem
6 $1+ Billion Movies in a year wasn't enough for Disney, they want everything
Sony holding IP hostage is a bad thing? How about Disney lobbying congress to keep extending IP laws so that Mickey Mouse doesn't enter the public domain. Because of Disney, a lot of IP that should be released to the public, keep getting held back by corporations and estates of artists who have been dead for decades.
Fans will suffer if Disney always gets its way.
yeah it is bad
i mean spider-man isnt sony's character where micky is disney's character :P
Creator is dead but the enterprise is still there and they are the heirs of it to say it somehow.
That's totally true. We basically have two villains duking it out.
@@MEDOBOLT, In that case, Spiderman isn't Disney's character either, it's Marvel's, more specifically Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's character. People sell rights and ownership of characters all the time.
Tom Holland was an amazing Spider-Man but was more of an emotional character that was tied to the MCU altogether. The reason you like Tom was because you loved the MCU. And he was tied to all that. Tom was a part of the bigger picture and all other feature characters made him more likable. Tobey was in a stand-alone Spider-Man movie. Didn’t need Nick Fury. etc or the MCU to be a great film and an amazing Spider-Man.
This TH-camr doesn't take psychology into fact. Lol
Well yeah that was the whole point in adding him to the mcu, it's a connected universe so I would be odd if other parts weren't mentioned
I beg to differ. How long is it since you saw the Tobey Maguire movies? He was absolutely terrible in the role. Partly outside of his control. He was just way too pathetic in those movies. His life was way too sad. He didn't even sound convincing as a Spider-Man. His villains in the first 2 movies were absolutely terrific and JK Simmons as J. Jonah Jamesson is basically perfect casting but other than that the Reimi trilogy had heaps of issues with their tone and overall arcs.
These are my opinions but I just don't get why people keep praising Maguire for his subpar part in those movies. I think he absolutely sucked and was arguably the worst spidey we've ever gotten.
@@sindri1447 He being pathetic or having a sad life in the movies is not a problem from Tobey, but from the script, even then the script made total sense given the fact that they are, Idk, f*cking Spiderman movies, a depiction of how troublesome being a superhero can be from an ordinary guy with tons of responsabilities, exactly what the comics were about, exactly what made Spiderman, Spiderman. Not sure what your whining is about, because is not like the Raimi Trilogy were sad edgy movies, on the contrary, they were pretty light-hearted with tons of natural humor in them.
@@sindri1447 tell me you know nothing about spiderman without telling me you nothing about spiderman.
I don’t care if Sony keeps Spider-Man just they BETTER finish this storyline.
“They can’t and they won’t”
They can't. The venom verse is in no way connected to the MCU, and the continuity would suck
I said this before but if they were allowed to make a 3rd mcu Spiderman movie that ended Peter's ark people would probably be a lot more calm about all this
Ethan Freeman EXACTLY
@@Jzombi301 because if the 3rd mcu Spiderman movie ended his ark people would probably be more calm about this I mean I'm sure some people would still be upset but I guarantee that people would be far more calmer about this because at least the 3rd movie would've gave him a full on conclusion to his character
So that’s y there are so many dang Spider-Man movies
Yeah that is why there is so many things Spider-Man movies and I've gotten rather sick of it
Same thing with Fantastic Four movies.
@@john-oh9cr tbh The mcu deal has made the mcu Spider-Man appear in more films then any other Spider-Man actor.
Yep same with X-Men & Fantastic Four. Marvel is the only company that can afford to care about quality over quantity when it comes to Marvel films.
@@lennywright5655 yeah that's why they release three films a year and had spider-man appear in 5 films within the span of 3 years.
Yea, blame sony, but not disney for changing the deal. lol
That is how the blame game been going. Make good movies apparently it doesnt matter how much you mess up.
The 30% they asked seemed fair enough.
It's 25% more than they got before.
For a giant like Sony that money shouldn't matter much if Spider-Man movies make a billion in box office.
But clearly it does.
Disney isn't blameless here but neither is Sony.
@@mahchestro9144 Its so nice that you are comfortable with offering 30% of someone elses property away LoL. With a successful Venom and Spiderverse why would Sony change the agreement in Marvels favor? They dont need Marvel to push their own film agenda forward. If either of the two needs the deal it would be Marvel since they lost of their good heroes and have pushed Spiderman as the new Iron Man.
Sony doesnt need the MCU so they have no reason to give away their stuff. And they arent the ones who tried to change the deal so of course they are blameless. The only way you can assign blame to them is if you are one of those people who believe thag Sony has to take L's for the sake of your entertainment.
@@shihoblade Someone elses propery? Give away?
Sir... are you on some tough medicine.
If you hadn't realised by now. The MCU version of Spider-Man is entirely a Marvel concept.
Sony had very little to do with that.
And it worked. People were once again excited about Spider-Man after the disastrous Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man.
The fact that they are done with the deal cause they can make more money on their own is gonna backfire.
2 great live action movies and 1 great animated movie isn't gonna change the shitty reputation Avi Arad has brought Spidey.
Now it might continue and if they fail again.
That might be just the last we'll see Spidey for a very long time.
They had a sure thing with Marvel.
They make billions for Sony. Even with the 30%.
It would've been both financially and creatively more successful if they had taken the deal.
Think about it like this.
If they fail their next movie and it gets let's say... 500 million dollars. That will be the end.
And no one has asked Sony to give away anything.
The deal was fair to both parties.
Sony sold their toy rights to Disney years ago so that's not the fault of Disney.
@@mahchestro9144 MCU Spiderman still belongs to Sony. He was on loan so yeah still their property. Far from home made a Billion so taking the deal would amount to 500 million anyway and they have no reason to pursue so hard. They can have Holland if they want him but they dont need him. Venom and the Spiderverse. Live action Miles or spider Gwen. They got tons of options that dont require Marvels help at all. Of course they rejected that pointless deal that greedy Marvel who already eats up Spideys merchandising suggested.
Imagine Disney buying Sony - a beautiful disaster.
Fun fact, if Disney did buy Sony, Walt Disney would own 40.7% of the US/ CA market share in the film/ TV industry. Let that sink in.
That's likely never gonna happen. Sony itself also a giant company, they wouldn't just let their competitor buy their company.
That Japanese government would never allow it, plus Sony already said they don't plan on selling part of their business , All their divisions are making big profits and they want to continue to grow them. Sony returning to form again and there doing it fast.
@@johndoughnuts what does the Japanese government have to Do with sony? It’s not a government run company so why would they care?
@@BlueTyphoon2017 Japanese law states that none of the businesses in thier country would be bought by a western company or any other foreign company that could buy them.
@@BlueTyphoon2017 Protecionism, there is a law in Japan that forbids foreign companies to buy japaneses ones
LUL.... Marvel somehow went from 5% to 50% and you think Sony is the bad guy. That's a laugh.
Pretty fair considering Marvel does literally ALL the work
All Sony has is an old piece of paper and a Lot of shitty spiderman movies
They're literally draining from Marvel and the fans
But who gives a fuck about the fans
@@GetOverHer3 any mcu movies with just Spiderman (like homecoming) are still produced and made by Sony though
@@GetOverHer3 Sony Funds the entire movie. It's not fair for Marvel to take 50/50 when sony funds it all + marvel gets all the merchandising rights
Oof 69, can't like
Disney: give us spiderman or else!
Sony: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye
Underrated
Don't make me come down there you punks
Sony: Look at little Disney Jr, gonna cry?
Disney: ...
a crab sings a song
@@chillastronaut5749 Sony : now dig on this
From this entire video it gave the impression Disney was doing the bad thing (which they were) then at the end you blamed Sony as if they're in the wrong and should just give Spider-Man away when Disney is basically robbing them
Spiderman belongs to marvel not sony
Bruh, I this is exactly what I was thinking. Especially when I look at them as companies, I understand that Spiderman belong to marvel I do. Word to Ol'Stan! But if we are talking about which company I trust more, Disney has been fucking up for a good while now (outside of Marvel) that I don't think will stop anytime soon so.... keep spidey where he is.
@@benwatkin7734 Spider-Man is an asset created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko for Marvel, a company that was bought by Disney. Disney owns the image, idea and ability to create any sort of media *other than films/movies* representing Spider-Man as a character. Sony legally bought the rights to present Spider-Man in films/movies from Marvel before Marvel was bought by Disney to stop them from going under.
That's my understanding anyway.
@@benwatkin7734 Saying the right to make Spider-Man films belongs to Marvel is like saying a house belongs to the builder, no matter who bought it.
@@kristinnkristinsson1369 okay fair enough it's just I think it's unfair that marvel can't use their biggest character freely in their biggest movie series of all time.
Honestly Spider-Man is better off in Sony, hope they can explore all the other spiderman characters even more without having to include whatever's going on in the MCU.
Completely agree, I don’t really like how every marvel character is being thrown into other films to the point where every marvel film is just becoming the avengers.
@@Happymonday2015 agreed, all of them need to have independent film franchises about their characters as well as the avengers, similar to the phase 1 of the MCU.
Agree Cuz Disney has nothing to do with this Character plus Sony was the one who made the movies not the MCU aka Disney 😒
The role for Spiderman is slowly becoming the new defense against the dark arts professor curse
Oh the Harry Potter reference *applause*
@AdrFax oooooooof sad but true
At least Tom Holland wasn't eateen by a giant snake, I guess. XD
@@sexydictator3241 Tom Holland would be Lupin.
Wait. If sony now has the rights to spidey does that mean the have the rights to Tom playing spidey?
Uncle Ben: Ah shit here we go again
Underrated
Imagine hoping for Disney's monopoly to grow
if only so marvel can have all their characters back. I don’t like it either
@@sub-zero5433 I dont get why people want dc to be brought by Disney
@@safwanmustafiz3106 fr, that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. why should both the superhero giants be part of a monopoly
We only want Disney to buy Spider-Man not all of Sony
@@lovleen exactly
I'm so confused about how you structured this video. 90% of it was about how it's much better for Sony to have the rights and then at the end, it was kind of like "oh I hope Disney gets him back soon"
Me to.
So this means we ll be seeing Sony's Spiderman vs Venom anytime soon?
Yes
Yes and no. They are att this moment in preproduction on Venom 2 and currently Spiderman is still partnerd whit marvel studios. If he leves, then he might be in Venom 3 (funny enough) or in a standalone movie (whit Tom Hollend), but this is al just a big IF.
Maybe
As a 2nd part of an another reboot tho...
Or as a part 3 of amazing Spiderman. Anything could be possible...
@@thehalobrony9050
I don't think so Sony will be able to get Tom Holland to sign for their movie.
"Legal stuffs" and all you know...
Cuz Disney were the one who casted Tom Holland as Spiderman.
GOD FORBID!!!!!!!!
I think the government needs to take a look at that Monopoly law and redo it. Disney and Walmart are already too big for the good of the economy.
BlueYoshiGirl don’t forget Boeing, Microsoft, Android, Intel, AMD and Nvidia.
And pornhub they own sooo many different major adult sites
@@rawvid9065 Pornhub is a smaller scale, but they're literally big enough that they can manipulate pornography laws in the UK and own pretty much every general porn site.
Don't even get me started on Google, Apple, Amazon, and Facebook
@@kohkisparten117 eh those aren't the best examples. in fact, AMD still exists due to the monopoly law. Remember in 2014 when their market price was literally $1 and they were making NO money? There are only two dexktop cpu and gpu manufacturers because they are so complicated to make, and they're constantly pushing the physical limits of silicon development. Its not like making a car or some clothes where you just need to know the general steps. You guys are kinda getting the law confused: you can legally make as much dollar money as you want you just cant OWN everything, as in smaller companies. There must be at least one competitor in every market, with a few exceptions (certain regional power and energy providers are monopolies) none of the companies you mentioned are anywhere close to a monopoly nor do they even own smaller companies outside of Microsoft and Google. Also, Android is owned by google and not its own separate nor "parent" company so im substituting that for you.
Talks about Disney being a monopoly and plays gold digger by Kanye West and Jamie Foxx on the background 😂😂😂👍👏
Only liked because of that
After seeing what Disney did to start wars I shudder to think of them having full control of Spiderman.
Tbh it was alot was diffirent with Star wars mainly to do with Lucasfilm and the way they built that up and plus you can't say you shudder to think what they'd do cos we've seen what they'd do in homecoming & ffh which have had good success and plus I don't think Disney really gets that Involved in what marvel studios & Kevin feige is doing
As long as the main director doesn't start with "K" and ended with "athleen Kennedy", it definitely will be fine. To say the least
@@bocahdongo7769 Agreed she really didn't handle star wars well
Yes they messed up star wars but marvel have been doing well and if Disney had spiderman they could make a series like they did with wandavision or winter soldier
I'm sticking with the Marvel comics
So Sony is supposed to cave to Disney's ludicrous demands "because the fans are suffering"? Lol. Get out of here.
Its not at all ludacris. The studio is struggling why would they pass up an opportunity to spend less on a film. 🤷🏿♂️ considering how much more they'd make is they didn't have to keep rebooting
Jaylen Duncan
The studio isn’t struggling, even the worst Spider-Man’s still made 700 million each
@@IncognitoSprax 700 million maybe alot to all of us and even you, but its probably not enough to keep a gigantic company like Sony afloat. Hell it's so bad that they considered selling what they have to Apple and gave merch right to Disney. If 700 million was enough they wouldn't make those decisions in the first place.
Well Disney will probably try for a Hostile take over of Sony now..
@@produceryoongi5962 700 mil only needs to keep Sony STUDIOS afloat, not the entire company. They break these things down into departments.
I loved the part where you played Gold digger by Kanye lol
A logical allusion to Disney
that was nice and all but what about when he started playing Pink Matter towards the end god damnn
That part started playing the same time I read that
Funny Jamie Foxx was apart of that song.
So what you are sayin:
It’s Disney’s fault for being greedy but I’m gonna blame Sony for not giving in.
Yeah. Disney is greedy af and it's mostly their fault but the safer decision would be for Sony to accept it. It's a gamble as to whether or not the next film will do well but I'm hoping that it does and I have a feeling that they will do something really good that we weren't expecting
Malkhut a gamble that the next film is critically well received? Maybe. Gamble it will make money? I would say no.
It's like you're saying you want to sell your own good business to someone & you will end up getting nothing & that someone earns more than you.
@@Mark-xw5yt It's not a gamble at all. Their lowest grossing movie still made over $700 million. The only reason we didn't get an Amazing Spider-Man 3 was because Andrew Garfield personally pissed off Kaz Hirai.
@@Mark-xw5yt its probably going to meet expectations but at what cost? Imagine all the fans who enjoyed Spiderman teaming up with the Avengers having to see the same Spiderman act like nothing happened? And what about the children?! They are going to bother there parents asking why isn't spiderman in the next Avengers movie.
Sony should drag this out forever as long as they can just so I can relish in Disney not getting what they want😍
I can't believe they SOLD THE MERCH RIGHTS back to Marvel.
yeah that was just dumb
Ikr so dumb..but now they realized and want backsies...
@@Faustaine when did Sony try to get the merch rights back? As far as I'm aware Sony hasn't done anything like that.
@@entropy5995 they want backsies on everything. They want complete ownership of all Spiderman themed merch.
@@Faustaine so sony own merch now ?
1:40
But its true. Most of the other Marvel characters were unknown by the general public. Literally no one gave a shit. X-Men and Spiderman were Marvel's biggest IPs.
@Mystique Dreamer Well I know nothing about the Eternals, but now Im super looking forward to seeing the movie, cause I know the MCU will end up doing something cool.
@Mystique Dreamer me and many others because it will introduce many cool concepts like deviants
@Thyme and Oregano yeah! But there’s also a new Guardians and Thor
@@anuvette ????
Right? It's not that these multi-million dollar characters existed, just waiting to be plucked and put in a movie. They didn't just magically appear as fan favorites. They could have been like Toy Story and make one of their biggest characters a piece of trash, and STILL made millions. OMG there is so much wrong with this video!!!!
Sony and Disney are like adopted parents who fight over their adopted kid.
no sony is step father
You mean when the step mom tries to get the fathers son saying the kid is hers 😂😂
Disney is the step dad that leaves in 50 years, when they become famous
@@kaistzar2831 Im tired of sony's bullshit they rip us off every goddamn day.
While spiderman real parents are angry up there.
I think that I like what Sony has done with spiderman more than what Disney has done
Definitely an unpopular opinion
All companies lived in harmony, but that all changed when Disney wanted 50/50
Usaia Va'adrigi avatar reference?
@@claytoncarmine244 yes
Hahahaha
Disney-Marvel was literally doing all the work on the homecoming movies while Sony just sat on their asses and demanded money because they owned the rights. How does that seem fair to you? Plus if Sony keeps getting their way we're just gonna keep seeing half assed solo Spider-Man villain movies like Morbius and Venom just so Sony doesn't lose the rights to Spider-Man. Sony doesn't care about the fans at all. Those movies are literally just made to buy them time. I don't see how anyone can defend Sony they're literally the greediest company and stick their grubby hands in everything from videogames, televisions, movies, music, headphones, cameras, phones, batteries, computers, insurance, and banks. No other company does that shit and focuses on either hardware, software, or entertainment.
I want to live with harmony but not with what Disney is doing now with She-hulk and other shitty Disney+ shows I really hope they don’t ruin daredevil (I also want to be inside harmony)
*when you realize that Iron man was spiderman's uncle ben*
Good god THAT'S why he died :/
Oh sh*t didn’t think abt it that way...
More like a dad not uncle
parker luck :/
He died for the people he loved not only spiderman that's like saying he said fuck his family and died for Peter
From what a gather Sony was perfectly willing to renew that joint contract under the same conditions as before but NO Disney got greedy and wanted far more of the cut than they were getting previously. FFS Disney you make *enough money*
Yeah 25% more so from 5% to 30% soooooooo greedy.
@@tarfielarchelone2674 disney also gets ALL the spidey merchandising money, so yeah they're hella greedy
@@Snaketrainer well yeah sony bought the intellectual property from marvel when they had financial problems now your upset the original holders of the license has merchandising rights?
@@tarfielarchelone2674 Not upset, im just asying that Sony makes less money than disney, so accepting that deal would be stupid
@@tarfielarchelone2674 Marvel is Disney now. Original holders my ass; They cashed out when disney bought them. Also, IDK what you're smoking, but last time I checked, 25 % is fucking huge. That's at least 250 mill a year. But I guess that's chump change for your rich ass. Ignore me if thats the case.
1:50 I mean you say that, but at the time Spiderman was the only real marvel character anyone cared about outside of the X-Men, it was only after Disney's Marvel Cinematic Universe that all these characters were realized in a way that actually made them appealing, and I am not certain Sony would be able to pull that off as successfully, or if at all, so calling their decision a mistake feels... uninformed at best.
Lol I came here just to see the "too soon" comments
BlackGreninja1 you don’t know PepeLaugh
BlackGreninja1 too soon
Too soon bro
At least Warner Bros. never sold DC characters to other studios. Yet, they can't get solid cinematic universe afloat.
True but they’ve been improving recently with Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam. And I’m actually interested in the Joker movie to see how Juaquin Phoenix portrays the Joker
@@cherrypie581 joker is rated r it's gonna be crazy
Uh hello? Aquaman and Shazam?
@@vadamsvengeance3219 Yes, Warner, and DC are getting better, but they could still drop the ball at any time now, and I hope that doesn't happen anytime soon.
yea but im happy they havent sold. I dont worry about them because theyve made amazing cartoons and good animated movies, so I think they'll eventually make another dark knight or wonder woman. Just give them some time and a few more mistakes lol. While i didnt really feel shazam (shazam and billy batson honestly seemed like totally different people), aquaman was badass
Watching this now and seeing the MCU after phase 4 and seeing both Spider-Verses Sony can continue keeping the rights to Spider-Man
UPDATE: DISNEY DID NOT buy back Spider-Man, they reached a two picture “loan” deal. That is not what this video is about. Disney still does not own the film rights to Spider-Man as of December of 2019.
Who was the best live action Spider-Man? I think Sony has learned enough to make a good film (at least I hope?)
UPDATE AGAIN: As of 2021 Disney is still on a loan deal with Spidey. They still do not own the film rights to Spidey. Sony still owns the big screen rights.
ALSO READ: Disney’s 5 percent take was on first day numbers!
Toby definitely
Tom Holland
Tom
andrew grarfeild
Andrew....JK, definitely Tom
The only one losing here is Happy Hogan we can all agree on that
Disney: I have a plan!
Sony: I bet you dont even have a plan.
Disney: I have.... Part... Of a plan!
12% of a plan.
Disney is dutch confirmed!!
Love seeing this after watching No Way Home. Let Sony do their thing with the Spiderverse. One of the most crucial characters in marvel has a whole separate world being funded that is now tied to the MCU as a whole.
I would honestly prefer Sony holding spider man than Disney having complete control over the superhero landscape in cinema
Exactly
@@robl0xgamer258 Marvel sold the movie rights of Spider-Man to Sony, so Sony owns all rights to spider man in the movies. It’s not about deserving or knowing spider man it’s about money and Sony paid for Spider-Man.
@@robl0xgamer258 I mean they didn’t boot spider man, they sold him because marvel was going bankrupt. Disney bought marvel long after that. I like the MCU and Disney movies, but I hate Disney as a company. That’s why I was more in favor of Sony than Disney.
Sony movies are kinda meh
Disney doesn't have complete control over the superhero landscape. DC makes superhero movies too that are fairly popular
Imagine being so greedy that you actually lose a trillion-dollar character.
hkr006 True, but at the end of the day Marvel/ Disney is still the winner. Like he said in the video, the real money is made from merchandising which Disney makes 100% of. So even if Sony manages to make a Disney level success movie with Spider-Man... Disney is still making more money
@@nightshotz623 really? LMAO disney wins yeah ok buddy
χχχ -VIBE- ya... how don’t they? 😅
@@nightshotz623 Sony is worth more than Disney so who cares.
TheMaster TM not even close dude
Describes all the ways that Disney is going Darth Vader on Lando, proceeds to call Lando evil for liberating cloud city.
Disney would still have the Death Star if they didn't try to adjust the deal. 🤷♀️
This sounds like it was written by a Disney employee
Yes it does!
Well at least we're still going to get Insomniacs Spider-Man ,who is the best Spidey ever in my opinion.
I hope they dont cut out connections to the larger universe in the sequel because of this fiasco. I loved the easter eggs like Avengers tower, the Wakandan embassy, and the sanctum sanctorum
@@omarteran-sosa6051 They can't. Because SONY doesn't own the game rights. Marvel does.
Sony ONLY owns the film rights to Spidey and that is IT.
@@LUCKO2022 marvel does??? Actually no Spiderman films and Spiderman games are different
@@LUCKO2022 and plus The Spiderman ps4 wouldn't exist if Sony didn't give them money and plus they bought insomniac, the studio that made spiderman ps4
Mr. Göt pizza time my dude
I'm glad there are companies big enough to take Disney's BS
i think you kinda said it wrong. Shouldn't it be "I'm glad there are companies big enough NOT to take Disney's BS"?
@@happyburgerman9724 Either works, the idea is the same. Kinda like flammable and inflammable.
Well the state the Sony movie division is in, they're really not. This might finally end their misery.
@@nemanjajovanov keyword: "might". Fans are already pissed at Sony.
MGM should take some huge notes from this if they want to branch out, because their solo comeback hasn't exactly been stellar
I think that a rated R venom with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man would be game changing
BadHiVal no, most of Tom Holland’s Spider-Man’s audience are young. If anything it would be detrimental.
With Carnage? Yes definitely!
With Spider-Man? Eeeeeeh, not really. He's more of a family-friendly character.
@@bonsaigecko9153 well, it's being planned so...
How? Sony's Venom has literally no connection with this Spidey, that's shoe-horning of the highest levels. Maybe you should definitely work for Sony, you'd fit in with the rest of the "we have no fucking clue how storytelling works" committee.
Kanakalala🌺 I don’t think it would be with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man though. I’m not saying it would be terrible just that it would be bad business. I also can’t rly tell why it would *need* to be rated R? I don’t rly know the exact limitations that pg-13 would put on a Spider-Man movie, especially given who Peter Parker is
3 Years later and we are happy again, that Spidey is not in the Hands of the big bad Mouse.
I strongly approve of the use of 1994 Spider-Man series clips.
Nerdstalgic you had me for the first half and you lost me at the second half lol. So biased towards the end there.
Either that or you have the bias
@@jrthe2nd494 I know right. Its funny how that works.
nah, sony is being petty
@@francisdelamerced5900 sony is being petty for not giving up half the money for their only franchise? That's ridiculous.
jayhartRIC marvel are literal gods they are the saviors for the movie industry i don’t care if they asked for 100% of the money honestly give them whatever the fuck they want
Can’t wait till David fincher makes a movie about this, (yes I’m manifesting )
The title implies that Disney used to own Spider-Man
They own Marvel which in essence they actually did. These Playstation Fanboys act like shareholders 😂
@@EdwinCloude They own Marvel and Marvel used owned the film rights to Spider-Man, but Disney never owned the film rights to Spider-Man.
i agreed with you up until you said "holding spider-man IP hostage."
hostage from....what, exactly? the fans?
tom holland has a deal with SONY, not disney. sony has no reason to re-boot the current franchise. sony will continue to make SpideyTom films. they can do cooler things with it too--depending on what deals Holland is willing to strike, we could see an ENTIRE EVOLUTION of spiderman, maybe get our own live-action spiderverse (seriously am i the ONLY one who's interested in having Tobey and Tom onscreen together??) we could see a live-action spidey-miles and spider-gwen.
there's no reason fans "can't have" more SpideyTom films, or spiderman films in general.
I love your optimism but if i'll bet my life on it sony would screw up spiderman just like most of the time. Yeah yeah spiderverse is great and sp2 is great but they can't make an mcu quality spidey film thats for sure. Feige is just such an amazing president
@@vincentlouisebeltran809 ehh MCU quality is pretty average they have a few movies that are better than average but most are either plain safe or garbage. I'm personally glad the whole universe of heros was a cool idea at first but it kinda got old and phase 4 is looking like crap.
I mean they could do that but then they couldn't mention anything about the MCU or any of the characters in it. It would be kinda weird if they made a couple more movies and Iron Man or any of the Avengers were never mentioned.
Everyone want to see tobey coming back
@@thepastasalt2278 *weird, and absolutely Better.
Spidey is a kid. a baby boy with hUGE problems, who gets shit on all the time, and tries and fails so often. that's what makes him RELATABLE. give me Peter B Parker levels of messed-up laughable loser over Spidey Who's Every Problem Is Solved By A Billionaire ANY. DAY.
You said it yourself: It would create a monopoly and monopolies are ALWAYS bad for consumers, or in this case, fans. Maybe short term we get some crap movies, but long term it ensures a diverse marketplace of ideas.
Disney is getting so damn greedy and everyone is starting to say it out loud, more often, every day.
They are depending on the goodwill they've built with us, as childen (think about that), to carry them through every predatory financial attack they attempt.
That goodwill is starting to run out.
Uncle Disney is gonna be invitied to less BBQs, less family functions, and be talked about behind His back until eventually, the next generation have an entirely different concept of WHAT Disney IS.
And it won't be anything close to what we thought of when we heard the word 'Disney' growing up.
Yes i agree, dont want Disney to buy Sony. It will create a monopoly in the industry. But I just want marvel to have spider-man back. Spider-man comebeck home to marvel doesn't make Disney a monopoly company.
@@ArifShahz it wouldn't create a TRUE Monopoly, only more control
@@sillygoose635 yes, went I think again it will make Disney more monopoly. But i just hate what sony have done with spider-man in previous movie. It feels like went you give someone your car to rent and they destroy the car.
@@ArifShahz once again, not a TRUE one, only more control, there is still competition
Disney has always been this way. They stole all their movie ideas and pretty much replicated Japan's "kimba the white lion" for the Lion King movie and sold it as an original.
Disney hadn't tried to make a new deal where they went from 5 percent profit to 50 percent, he'd probably still be in the mcu
They dropped it to 30 and Sony said 25% and Disney said no. This is all over 5%
@@Firegirl483 they did?! Whyyyyy 😐
@@skyyswaggstudios2934 here are the reasons cash and money
@@eliasfigarzon9813 I mean, you're not wrong
Imagine losing a character who was supposed to be the new face of the MCU to a 5% difference
I was there with you till the minute 7:30
Stan lee once said that not everything has to be gay and spider man should never be one because it was just designed this way. Nowadays these woke companies wanna sexualize everything and I much rather have Sony having full ownership of spidey than Disney. Disney got outta control shoving agendas and doctrines down our throats
You see the bigger picture bro 🤟🏻
oh shiz you got a point. But then again, disney doesnt really like to make lgbqt characters
@@YaBoiDoi but they've had the first gay character, like, ten times!!!11!
@@emmyciyat9904 did you know they've just released their first gay character?!?!?!?!?!??!???!?
You just have to be that guy, being a whiny triggered snowflake because of someone who's gay and hurt you so bad.
Sony did so well with Spider-Verse. I hope we get that same Spider-Man feel for the "3rd" movie
EWW just stop you’re not even a good channel you don’t deserve 170K subscribers
@@samolbe6845 he deserves what he has obviously
Sony movies are hot garbage
@@dealhoundllc754 We all got our own opinions.
@@samolbe6845 if he didn't deserve it, people wouldn't want to subscribe
Disney:"How much for Spider-Man?"
Sony: "Not for sale"
Disney:"Ok how much for the Company?"
Sony: "Not for sale"
Disney:"Ok how much for Japan?"
@@grandor8852 And then ghost samurai invade Disney HQ.
Government would say no to monopoly
People wants Disney to just buy song when Japan's Palace Grounds Once More Valuable than California.
**when sony gets 100 quadrillion dollars from 3rd spider man film**
Sony: how much for disney?
@@corvocorvus9982 heh? What?
_MCU then:_
(civil war)
*Tony was wrong!!!*
*No it was Steve’s!!!*
_MCU now:_
*Sony was wrong!!!*
*No it was Disney’s!!!*
cant think of a name nice grammar
*what*
The worst part of all of this is that Sony selling the merchandising rights to Marvel completely fucked over animated Spider-Man shows like Spectacular Spider-Man, and proceed to usher in a new era of low quality Disney XD level Spider-Man shows from then on.
Too many people are seeing Sony as the “Villian” in this situation. In my opinion, Disney is the villian.
How is Disney the "villain" by offering to reduce Sony's burden on the front end - the production cost? Right now - or at least under the previous agreement with Marvel - Sony pays 100% of productions costs and gets 95% of the return. They're literally giving away 5% of their profit for nothing. Yes, Disney is asking for 50% of the box office, but that's AFTER putting up 50% of the production cost.
Look at the numbers: Say the next movie cost $200 million to produce and market and makes $800 million at the box office. The studio gets (roughly) half of the box office (because movie theatres really do get to keep part of that money, ya know), so that's $400 million. It takes $200 million just to recoup the investment, to get back to zero, so that leaves Sony with $190 profit on an investment of $200 million. That's a multiplier of 0.95. They made 95 cents profit for every dollar they invested. It's not a loss, but it's not great.
Now, under the same situation, with the deal Disney offered, Sony spent $100 million out of pocket. They get the same $400 million from the box office, split in half with Disney, leaving them with $200 million. $100 million to get back to zero, and $100 million in profit. Yes, the actual profit number is lower, but so was the investment. It's a 1.0 multiplier - they make 1 full dollar of profit for every dollar they invested. In business, this is called "return on investment," and while the raw dollars make better headlines, ROI makes for happier stockholders.
But sure, forget the actual numbers. Disney's just the bad guy.
WarCry75 damn you went hard
@@Bad_Wolf_Media sony needs those movies to make money. Disney still makes all the profit on merch, which makes more than the movies. If Disney wants more money from the movie they should discuss merch as well. Disney is 100% the bad guy.
@@osha_t4 If you think Sony NEEDS these movies to make money, I'd posit you don't understand the scale of Sony as a corporation.Their movie studio is actually one of the smallest branches of their corporate empire. Sony Pictures Entertainment - which includes not only movies, but television, video games, mobile games, etc - makes around $9-10 billion revenue a year (a very rough search shows $9.13 billion in FY 2017). Sony Corporation, as a whole, is reporting an expected 8.67 trillion yen in revenue, which is roughly $81 billion in current conversion. That means the SPE money is about 1/8th of the total income of the company as a whole.
Sony is a MASSIVE company. The movies (and television, and games) are some fun little side-action they run, but it is not crucial to their corporate welfare to have these movies be hits. You want more proof? They're still kicking after the terrible Raimi #3 and the Garfield films, and they just keep cranking out Spidey films, regardless of the losses that came before.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media Losses? What are you talking about? Spider-Man 3 is the second highest grossing film in the franchise, only recently beat by Far From Home, Homecoming didn't top it. Both Amazing Spider-Man movies made over 700mil each. The only film to not break 700mil was Spider-Verse.
If I’m Sony even if movie department goes under im releasing shitty Spider-Man movies on TH-cam just to keep the rights lol
Lmaooo same
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Spider-Man belongs in the MCU but
Disney doesn't deserve the MCU
honestly, they can move their whole movie department back to Japan and make another Japanese Sipaidaman rather than give full control to Disney and give the star wars treatment to spidey.. honestly, I'll be happy even with just Spiderman videogames if it meant Sony retains their last few rights..
THE FRICKING SPEED of this channel amazes me. Such a quality content (both on script and on editing) and right on the current hype
because he copy-pasted from multiple articles into his script
Thoroughly enjoyable. Informative and entertaining.
I’m just thinking about how devastated Stan Lee would be :l
XxLittleGuvnorxX he wouldn't be devastated
Stan's daughter didn't like Disney
Thank god he is dead but he did his part... He can rest in piece with the other legends.... Let the other birds take the rest of the scraps.... Hahahah
@@PnkSamurai00 why would you say that? Why are you glad he's dead!
Zedd You literally play Minecraft
Sony is in the right, no argument needed.
You can't say "Disney doesn't want more of the box office money" when literally that's what they're asking for.
Do your research.
Lol...brooo.....I can't believe he said that...u beat me too it by 5 seconds
Y'all have got to be kidding
That last sentence reminds me of feminists arguing
I think what he means it it wasn't actually their true aim. It was a stupid unreasonable deal, half of movie sales and all of merchandising? you would have to be crazy to accept that. If for some reason they did agree to it, I am sure Disney would be thrilled, But I bet they knew it wouldn't work. They want spiderman back in Marvel's possession so they can get all of the movie sales, and I guess the best way they came up with was to sever their deal and wait for sony to fuck it up again, fans to turn on them (already happening), and for them to either agree to the unreasonable deal or out right sell the rights to them.
It's not that they don't want it, because they obviously want more money. It's that they don't need it. Merchandise will always trump film profit. Especially when it's a kid-friendly, superhero franchise like Spider-Man.
This aged like milk
Let's be honest. Sony didnt create Spiderman, but the guys who did dont own the character too. All that spiderman merch, money from the movies and shows and comics? How much do you think Stan Lee and Steve Ditko got? Hint: None. Disney bought Marvel who paid someone else to make the character.
I feel like Disney has too much under thier belt, and they kind of are getting greedy with spiderman. Theyre getting 100% merch rights to the most popular character in the world. Sony has made some missteps, but we got Spiderverse and Spiderman PS4 recently, both of which outdo anything Disney has done with the character. As long as Sony keeps the quality up, I see no reason this deal shouldn't work out.
Start of video: Disney is getting greedy!!
End of video: Sony, you're hurting us all
SONY ISN'T THE BADGUY HERE
So true and besides disney buys too much shit and ruins it.
@@vitocorleone4799 Can you please explain what Disney has ruined? Pixar seems to be doing fine, even if they are making too many sequels. Marvel is doing amazing with the MCU. They haven't really done anything with 20th Century Fox yet either. There is an argument that they ruined Star Wars after acquiring Lucasfilm but ruining one franchise does not warrant being labelled as a company who ruins whatever they touch.
I hear people saying that Disney ruins everything a LOT and I'm not really seeing it. I just want to know what I'm missing.
Absolute Madness they ruined Star Wars
I hope Disney never gets Spider-Man back.
@@Seraserastria the ruined aladin
As much as I'd like the MCU to continue to feature Spiderman, I believe Disney already holds way too much power over media in general. Besides, while Sony has misused Spiderman in his previous movies, Spiderverse gives me hope that they could indeed bring justice to the comic book icon.
Indeed, I'm still optimistic for Sony to go forward, and this is coming from someone in the minority that loves the TASM movies; I just been feeling that the character has been lacking seriousness in his stories, like there's no high stakes, no ground tone, no sacrifices, it just feels a bit too lighthearted, and yes Spider-Man is a lighthearted character, but with tough and serious consequences that teach him the problems of life, and I just haven't seen that in quite a long time
I'm not optimistic. It was clear that Spider Verse was originally Sony's attempt to milk a franchise, making an animated Spider-Man movie hoping that it would sell because of little kids. The only reason Spider Verse worked was because of the higher ups not interfering with Lord and Miller and the rest of team because it was a animated kids movie with Spider-Man that Sony thought would sell itself. Now look at what they're doing. Venom 2 is going full steam ahead, releasing next year, but we have no word on what's going to happen with Spider Verse 2. Plus, Sony has stated they wanted to milk Spider Verse as well, hoping to do even more spin offs. They're going to make a third and fourth Spider-Man movie with Tom Holland. This shows they never cared about the fans or storytelling, only about how to get the brand to make money. They aren't going to give directors creative freedom. They didn't do that for Spider-Man 3, Amazing Spider-Man 1&2, Venom, and MIB International. A lot of the stuff Sony puts out that the studio is actually heavily involved with does not do well. Plus Tom Rothman and Avi Arad are the worst.
There is never to much power
@@kevinkassoka8628 And it'll never be enough power
honestly, i'm more worried for the mcu than i am spiderman. But both still need each other, because this version of spiderman is built for a cinematic universe
Positioning it as Sony "holding spiderman hostage" is a bit much. One less IP that Disney slurps up is a plus. Disney's MCU is tired and boring, and I'm glad Spiderman can be finding its cinematic footing outside of that, especially with more Spiderverse in the works. Sony Animation has also been blazing a trail of stylized animation to counteract disney/pixar's hyperrealistic same-face-syndrome.
Yall must be forgetting that Disney didnt always own Marvel...
Ivan Morales. Remember when marvel owned spider man. Good times.
Ivan Morales. They’re also acting like Marvel doesn’t own Spider-Man in anything else.
@@thewalrus5198 it's like a car and you sell it. you don't own that car anymore. That's why marvel didn't have power cause they're owned by disney, they got paid already and do their job.
Thank you!
Right ?
I thinks it's okay that Sony pictures has spider man, and Disney sharing the character for the MCU movies. I do think that Sony should still remain as their own company it is still sell they're products they can still sell they're PlayStation games, heck they can even still make movies. But the one thing to know is you can't sell one company to another because it's perfect just the way it is.
There not gonna sell there whole company. Console makes to much revenue for them
Their *
They'll keep on making movies, and fortunately, they've been managing in getting better, slowly but better
That’s a good thing
@@CarsynCunningham It is a good thing, any company is on their right in getting better
Disney : "Our Ironman Jr plotline will fall apart if you take away Spidey from us."
Sony : ""I missed the part where that's my problem.""
Congratulations you played yourself
Bobo Boy *old man gets shot outside* Disney: Robert Iger! NOOOOO!
Cause they either have to reboot Spider-man again, or ignore everything MCU related in the third film like Iron Man, Happy, Mysterio's origin, Vulture's origin, Spider-Man in space and getting dusted, tech suit. So yeah. It's kind of a problem
@@J3009 not really. They just don't have to mention any of the things everyone hated about the 2 mcu Spidey films. Iron Man jr is just disrespectful to Spiderman. The Mysterio stuff can be ignored because it wasn't very good. And I'm so glad he's out of the mcu. SPIDERMAN is too big for that universe. I'd rather see him fight his own villians and not hang with iron Man. That's not cool in 2019, but hey, back in 2012, maybe. Most ppl are over it.
@Mania Aw, a Raimi fanboy complaining about a different versions of Spidey! I’m not taking sides, screw both companies. But Holland was a good Spidey.
Spider-Man doesn't even need Marvel because of just how iconic he is.He can be his own thing without Marvel imo
If you’re a movie nerd, maybe. If you’re a comic nerd, less so. I grew up with the comics so I guess I’m one of the latter. I quite like seeing him exist within the ‘MCU’. That said, I’m quite stoked about the possibility of Venom & Spidey, if I remember my early ‘80s comics correctly.
I disagree with your conclusion of blaming Sony.
SerGTC both are to blame. Disney for being so greedy and not being content with the insane amount of money from Spider-Man merch and for even offering a deal change in the first place,
and Sony for just straight up abandoning the deal and pulling Spider-Man from the MCU which hurts BOTH studios
@@Jzombi301 But at the same time, Sony was given a terrible deal. They didn't want to change it, Disney did.
Which got Spidey out when they couldn't reach a deal they liked. In other words, Disney did not want to stay on that deal
Yeah, it's typical fanboy behavior. These are companies. If Disney wants Spider-man so bad, they have to pay up. Stop blaming Sony, because Disney decided to get super greedy.
@@Jzombi301 sony didnt abandon the deal!! Disney wanted to change the deal to suit themselves so Sony, which have the right to do, said thanks but no thanks, we will do our own thing!! Disney/Marvel being the greedy party as always!!
I too disagree with blaming Sony. It's Disney's fault. Disney got greedy. Far more greedy than they already are. Fuck Disney.
Well... as long as we get a decent Spiderverse sequel...
you're gonna get a whole lot of spiderverse shows thats for sure
@@jessec.6876 Spider Verse is gonna be written by a guy Who created Doom film...
Achusttin I’m hopping the spider-verses movie and tv shows it spawns live up to the movie. I could see everything go downhill bit at the same time i could see it rise above marvel even. Sony will ride the spider-wave if venom and spider-verse do well. Also that next Tom Holland film, but I guess that's still connected to the mcu.
Let's hope for a brigth future! Spiderverse 2 will be directed for the same guy who did Avatar, so...
unlikely unfortunately, sony exces didnt interfere with spiderverse because they didnt think it would get money, now they've seen how well received it was you can be sure that avi arad or some asshole like him is going to try and fuck with it. In 4 years we'll see.
so you’re just gonna ignore how incredible spider-verse was?
sony animation is a very different department from sony pictures
@@deanmoriarty6015 They're different departments of Sony. Still the same company
@@deanmoriarty6015 So what? It's the *same* company.
@@ojigbo But they have completely different people.
I'm my opinion I think DC Films makes nothing but garbage but I think that DC Entertainment makes some of the best hero animated series and films.
They are both DC but different departments filled with different people.
Eh, it was decent but it can't cover the whole garbage Sony has Made with Spider Man aka TASM films
Disney probably can’t acquire spider man, but they could, it’s just complicated.