The Moment The Simpsons Ruined Homer Simpson
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- The best Simpsons episodes are usually from the same couple of seasons, and there's a reason for that. While the funniest Simpsons character is debatable, Homer is absolutely a contender. This show was built as a response to the sitcoms of the decade previous to its airing, and its original creators, succeeded in that vision. But Homer Simpson changed somewhere along the way, this is a look at how.
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What is the best animated show of the 2000s?
ALSO: I mispronounce Matt’s name twice in the video because apparently hearing something 8 million times isn’t enough for me lol
Avatar: the legend of Aang
Out
King of the Hill baby
Superjail
Nerdstalgic why don't you talk about Turbo
Simpsons died when it stopped being about everyday life of the family and focused on Homer meeting/being chased by celebrities and crying
so season 11...
Yup
Yea, they really went overboard with the celebrity guests too. I get that they're so big that they can get pretty much anyone they want, but getting some pop singer or actor does not automatically make for a good episode. Last time I saw the show (late 2006) it seems like every episode was just centered around some bigshot famous guest. It gets very boring.
akirak yep, about the time I gave up, every damn episode it was about Homer meeting some celebrity!! Became boring and unfunny...
When every episide was focused around a specific character and or a moral dilema. The episode that marked the decline for me was the real and imposter principal skinner
Long story short, they hired new writers who didn't understand anything about the Simpsons.
Sounds like what happened to Spider-Man with the mcu
@@loggiebear Marvel and DC's current state in general.
Long story short, you didn't pay attention while watching the video
@@Cynt3r I did, there were many reasons that the Simpsons ruined Homer, I just put one of them down as a joke.
Sounds a bit like Star Wars when handed out to people who didn't understand or cared much for it.
Homer selling his ticket for the Duff blimp because he believes his daughter is the most beautiful gets me every time. That was peak ‘good’ Homer
Total agree
Thats it. At first Homer was a good hearted fool, somebody who would try to avoid working and cherishes laziness and hedonism, yet will do things to make sure his family is set, and deeply feels for their happiness, showing great humanity and true, genuine goodness. Eventually they turned him into a complete nutcase that comes off as way more than stupid sometimes. This change is a perfect metaphor of how the show went from an adult animation absolute masterpiece, to a little kids worldwide cartoon show. The first ten or twelve seasons are a timeless classic after another, whilst the newer seasons are boring, with almost no memorable moments.
Homer walking out of Moe's to take a bike ride with Marge...
Homer taking the fall for Patty and Selma at the BMV by pretending to smoke...
"Do it for her".
Homer
Maggie 1st words "Dad", not Homer. GOLDEN
Hey there blimpy boy, flying through the sky..so..fancy...free"
Because so many Homer/Ned scenes got shown in this it reminds me that originally the dynamic was that Homer hated Ned because he recognized how "good" Ned was. Because Homer cared how people saw him, living next to Ned was a reminder of someone who seemed to effortlessly go to church, raise his kids, provide for his family, etc.
Scully Homer kinda just hates Ned...because it was funny to be mean to Ned. Homer doesn't feel small next to Ned, he takes advantage of him and hurts him because it's suppose to be a joke that Ned will just take it.
Weirdly enough, Jerkass Homer doesn't even have a consistent outlook on Ned, because Homer merely does whatever the writers want him to do to make the episode happen. He'll respect Ned and ask for advice, play off their "friendship" or just abuse him episode to episode for no reason.
Flanders underwent the same transformation, TV Tropes even named that trope after him - Flanderization.
So they hired someone that didn’t care about the show to be the head writer and he openly mocks the fans and the creator of the Simpsons. Great idea.
Like Star Wars.
@Norman That is antisemitism, right?
Did your see the Rocko's Modern Life movie on Netflix?
The entire thing was focused solely on mocking people for wanting to watch an old show.
I've never seen anyone hate their own fans that much, before or since.
@@cymond no, but I will check it out now. I get making fun of the fans once in a while, but if that's the whole movie that sucks.
@@MaximumCarne The Invader Zim movie was the opposite: a labor of love that perfectly fit into the rest of the show, tied up a lot of loose ends, answered a lot of questions, and still somehow maintained the status quo at the end.
They transformed Homer Simpson into Peter Griffin.
and Peter Griffin turned into the unholy abomination we have today
Bingo!
Peter is way more interesting than Homer today. To me it goes: Early Simpsons > Early Family Guy > Late Family Guy > Late Simpsons
I think you're living in a time warp dude
"HEY BART, REMEMBUH DA TIME WE WENT TO BRAZIL?!"
"Bart gets an F" made me shed tears because it hit so close to home and it still does and it probably always will
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When I saw that as an older kid I thought; wow this is totally me! That's probably my number one most cherished, or where Lisa falls for the sub teacher.
I was hit by it yesterday.
@@princessmarlena1359 And, for no fault of your own, you still feel the need to reference their academic success in order to justify that argument. Weird, huh?
We’re definitely in the beginning of an era where the definition of smart is shifting.
@@princessmarlena1359 Oh no of course not, I didn’t think you were using that success to justify your stance in THAT way.
I meant it more that I was in agreement with you, but that we are so clearly in a culture that rewards academic success that we even justify the concept of smart != academic ability with people who are academically successful.
It’s just an observation, I’ve done the same thing and I’ll likely keep doing it, again for not fault of my own, or yours.
There's a point where idiocy stops being funny and starts being sad, Homer dipped below that line about 20 years ago.
There's nothing more going for Modern Simpsons, besides recycled episodes:
-Homer getting a new job.
-Family trip to some country.
-Marge freaking out over yet another of Homer's screwups, before forgiving him by the episode's end.
-Lisa bemoaning how utterly unpopular she is, making a friend which she'll either lose, or drive away herself by the end.
Any other plot we've already seen a thousand times before?
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Simpson’s predicted the Simpson’s
Interesting - but am I the only one who needs the context ?
@@Joee1257 the max power Homer Simpson example the narrator uses
*Simpsons. There’s no possessive.
ur r deep and weary smart!!!
Lol
The finest of Homer (IMO) is when he learned his mother, Mona, was alive and spent the ending credits sitting on his car hood, just watching the stars.
YES!!!!
Agreed.
What episode?
That image always stuck in my mind, even though I haven't watched this show in years.
Definitely a great moment. That episode was beautiful.
This problem especially creeps up is in animations that don’t age their characters through the seasons. Because I feel that all these late 80s mid 2000s shows suffer from keeping their characters the same age and stuck in the same situations. So they eventually run out of character building and the formation of a narrative eventually.
Thats why Iiked how adventure time handled it with him aging about a year each season. I guess it would be pretty much impossible to tell a good coming of age story if they never come of age!
They decided right away that The Simpsons wouldn't age. But at that point, they never expected to last more than a season or two. By the time it was apparent they'd last a while, it was a little too late to change. And no one could have predicted they'd last this long.
All of what happend in the Simpsons from season one to the current season happend in 2 years lol.
No, you can't rationalize that it all happened in two years. Why? Because every single season has to have Halloween, thanksgiving, and Christmas episodes. So 30 Christmas episodes later...
Cartoons rarely age their characters, so that is irrelevant. But anyway, they’ve been around for 30+ years, it just got stale. Everything has an expiration date.
Homer is an example of when you've been alive too long, you see yourself become a monster.
It used to be about a real family that just happened to be Animated, now they're a full blown cartoon
Have you even seen the series because Homer has been a pretty nice guy ever since season 15
That for me is the biggest issue with the show. The writers have just run out of ideas as the show has been on way too long. When you need to top earlier seasons but every joke and topic has been covered, of course the writers will write whackier stuff. It's impossible to stretch the golden age from season 3 to where they are now. That is completely unrealistic. 22 episodes a season for 35 seasons is way too long and quite frankly, the simpsons have overstayed their welcome, hence the decline.
I’ll never forget the “Do It For Her” moment. Those are the moments I miss the most.
milie jones just go watch it on Disney + like I do!
And Maggie Makes Three was cheap, Homer being a dick, waiting for comeuppance, misery, but Maggie is cute, so he’s OK with her
I don’t see how it’s one of the Simpsons best
Matthew Mangan I’ve never read a more lazy and inaccurate description/critique. Congrats!
Matthew Mangan
It wasn't because she was cute. It's a parent thing
Still don’t see it
Back when the Simpsons aired opposite "The Cosby Show" on Thursday nights, they did a short bit that aired ONLY on the night that Cosby show ended. It shows Homer and Bart watching Cosby's last episode. Bart asks, "Why did they end the show when it's still a hit?" Homer warmly says, "Mr. Cosby wanted to end it before the quality began to suffer." Bart laughs. "Quality, shmallity! If I had my own TV show, I'd run that sucker INTO THE GROUND!!!" Three decades on, it's so true.
The Simpsons is still decent compared to a lot of the crap on tv.
@King of The Zinger I bet a huge chunk of that Disney+ audience are people watching the early seasons. I know I am.
This is literally not an episode. You just made this entire comment up. Lol good job tho buddy. People are actually believing you!
@@cellblocknine5385 It wasn't an episode. It was a bit that only aired that night after the episode ended. Maybe 15 seconds long. I had it on VHS. Not sure why it isn't a box set extra.
@King of The Zinger You do know it was popular back in the 90s, right? It's not just people living in the wrong generation. Things from previous generations can be good and deserve the respect they get. The Simpsons isn't just a giant pop culture icon for no reason
Point of order: the "GYM" joke isn't about Homer's illiteracy.
It's about how he's so lazy and unfit, he's never heard of a "gym" before.
It's not a great joke that tracks since he recognized the gym visually when he sees it, but its not poking fun at his intelligence, but rather his inexperience with the concept of exercise.
That’s ridiculous.
@@everythingmadeeasier What clever argument you have made.
@@SPVFilmsLtd OK, let me give it a try. I'm also physically lazy and unfit, but I'm not an idiot so I know how "gym" is pronounced and what it means. Homer, on the other hand, doesn't, because the writers are mocking him as stupid and illiterate. Homer is a father who works at a job he hates to support his family, which in early Simpsons was viewed with sympathy (see "And Maggie Makes Three"). But now in the hands of woke Hollywood that makes him not someone to be viewed with affection for all of his faults, but a imbecilic loser to be ridiculed and demeaned at every opportunity.
@@loumencken9644 Pre "woke" Homer thought that he could live LITERALLY under the sea.
In 1994.
Also that gym episode is from 1998.
I don't think he's the victim of conspiracy here. Not unless you are a "season 1 only" fan.
Mostly I think you are struggling with how surrealist comedy works.
Unless you also LITERALLY think you can live under the sea?
My interpretation also that the joke is about gym being so foreign he doesnt know the word. Which isnt best logic and quickly fall through. But the idea makes sense.
This analysis pretty much sums up why the Simpsons turned from "greatest cartoon series ever" to unwatchable over the years. Early Simpsons had better authors, better storylines, better gags and better characters.
For me the jump-the-shark moment was when he accidentally killed Maude Flanders and felt no remorse whatsoever.
he did feel remorse
@@bathroomshy , he also told Flanders to get over Maude and meet other women while he was still grieving. Pretty callous thing for the man who caused the death of Ned's wife to do....
I lost interest in the show after that also. It was a pretty cheap and desperate way for them to get viewers.
As opposed to, I don't know, writing relevant stories....
@@maskedmarvyl4774 Honestly I think Homer was just really trying to help Ned, just going too far in doing so.
@noodleking 92 Are you serious !? The while episode is about Homer's culpability... Didn't you his culpability when he was telling his story to the other people he met on the boat where he was ?
I miss the Homer who has all the pictures of Maggy where he needed them the most....*sigh*
And the Homer that took up a 2nd job at the kwik e mart to afford Lisa's pony, the Homer that attempted to kill himself, because he got laid off from the power plant, the Homer that saved Bart from jumping springfield gorge, the Homer that took up a seasonal job as santa so he can provide a good christmas for his family.
@@robocock475
The Homer who was an idiot
But was still lovable
And the Homer that took charge in an assertive way and saved Flanders' left handed store from closing down (that was truly the definitive Homer Simpson)
and the homer with his mum when he said goodbye
Maggie*
As someone who grew up with this show its sobering to reflect that right now bad Simpsons seasons outnumber good Simpsons seasons by a factor of 4.
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I doubt you've actually watched all of The Simpsons. It had a bad run in the middle, and it never got back to being quite as good. But it did get better.
But if you're just going to draw a line in the sand and insist that nothing after season 8 is good, then just watch the first 8 seasons, and be done with it. I don't understand if you think everything after season 8 was a bust why this would even bother you so much. How many shows have stayed good for more than 8 seasons?
You've had more than 20 years to come to terms with this, right?
The only reason this should bother you is if you think the show had well over a dozen good seasons, because that would make it special. Few shows are that good for that long.
Seriously, there's only so much you can do with a 30 year old show. But I've watched every episode, and I just am glad every year when I hear they renew it.
@@imnotmikeyet they just keep going
Yikes. @@imnotmike
@@imnotmikeI grew up with this being my favorite show, my bedtime was moved when they pushed its air time back, I remember the exact moment I questioned if the show was dying when Ned opens that Christian theme park and the gas was making people hallucinate, couldn’t put my finger on it but just felt absurd and uncreative. Kinda assumed it’s bc I’m growing up, life moved on. Just rewatched again and season 12 has the very last ok eps, I turned it off after season 15, had never seen any past 12 and they were as bad as I thought. There’s a ton of classics between seasons 8-12 but they did too much to make it relevant with the cameos. I caught random late season 20 and early 30 eps when it came to Hulu and was appalled at what the show became and have zero interest in further tarnishing my memories lol.
Though I understand why you decided to take Homer aside and use him as the prime example one can't help but notice that each of the subsequent Simpson family members lost what truly made them wonderful and unique and became caricatures of themselves.
As a woman and a mother from my perspective I personally found it pretty annoying what they did to Marge.
Let's not forget that "Streetcar🚊 Named Desire" episode where Marge got to be in the community play as Blanche DuBois...
Bart and Maggie are the only ones that weren't completely ruined. What they did with Lisa is unforgivable.
I disagree. I think Bart and Maggie were ruined too. In the golden era Bart was mischievous but he had limits. He wasn’t really actively malicious. In the newer ones we have moments like Bart attacking Skinner with something he knows he’s allergic to. Maggie was always portrayed as being smarter than a baby actually would be but the later seasons overused this. In short just about every character was ruined in some way
Remember when characters like Homer, and Spongebob actually had character and depth, and not full of tropes? Yea, me too.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
It’s sad when they change :(
Oh yeah! I 'member!
I miss when spongebob wasn’t a giggling idiot, like when he actually had other emotions and wasn’t a color splash for fetuses
I feel you
The Simpsons predicted the decay of The Simpsons.
Cliff Eye
That was the joke, wasn't it? That their show was badly written?
Spoontastic! So you wanna play knifey spoony, do ya?!?
Oh-oh spaghettiose
Cliff Eye
That episode was already a funny one, but it’s even more hilarious in hindsight.
hearing matt groenings name mispronounced so much is pretty infuriating but definitely agree with your point
Seasons 1-2 Homer: Made to resemble the American dad
Seasons 3-8 Homer: A good guy, with a heart, that always delivered on jokes
Seasons 9-11 Homer: The same thing as seasons 3-8 Homer but something was just off. Less caring and more of a joke
Seasons 12-21 Homer: A man who when he walked into the room a laugh track would play. A complete joke and jerk
Seasons 21-now Homer: Basically seasons 12-21 Homer, but occasionally showed glimpses of his former self
This is a problem with dumb characters in general. They weren’t the smartest but they weren’t this stupid
I think the point is that dumb characters should have an emotional maturity to balance off the lack of intelligence... Not everyone wants to/can be super smart, but everyone aspires to be viewed as caring/compassionate... There are more important qualities than being smart...
same shit happened to patrick
Making fun of a mental disability is bigotry, plain and simple.
The same also happened for Joey in Friends
It's Flanderization
Just like goku
He's just about lived long enough to see himself become a villain.
manic mechanic but people would be just as disappointed if they let him die a hero
@@slippy2490 yeah. It's one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" things.
I actually like the new version, it like a massive meme. Homer Simpson is meant to be stupid. I’d admit that it has gone a bit down.
manic mechanic That’s one of the burdens that comes with making a cartoon
@@slippy2490 That's why you need to have him ascending into heaven, *taking* *his* *body* *with* *him*
Wow... This is a great analysis. I really do wonder what's going to happen to the show as the future goes on.
Theres an entire generation that will never know how good the simpsons once was.
If only there was some way to watch things from the past
@@McDoinky As if zoomers will
@@sherpaderpdingo3405 There’s Disney + and the memes. It’s very accessible.
@@sherpaderpdingo3405 😐
@@sherpaderpdingo3405 I'm only 13 (watched the whole if futurama) and I have watched Sampsons season 1 on dvd, and seasons 2+3 on Disney+
Season 1: Homer loses his job - existential crisis
Season It doesn’t matter: Homer loses his job - proceeds to get another, more zany job until he fails and is right back to where he started
Well yeah. You can have consequences for losing job once or twice, after a while it'd get stale, so it stopped being the point of the episode?
Remember that episode when he taught he was going to die, it was great
@@h2oh256 Homer! You're alive! You're alive!
To be fair if you lose your job like once a year would you really care anymore
Where’s the love?
I always thought the "gym" joke was about how he'd never seen a gym before in his life, not that he was illiterate.
Same :)
Yeah that's the joke
That is the joke. I’m not surprised it went over the head of someone who mispronounces Groening.
I don't think this video is a good representation of why the Simpsons started going down hill
I agree about that joke, but he definitely got dumber, to the point of struggling to read what he could easily have done in the past.
The problem is that the Simpsons is a cartoon where nobody ages.
How long can you keep such a show grounded in reality before you run out of storylines?, With Homer having a full-time job, Marge staying at home and the kids going to school there are limited options.
The nahasapeemapetilon family ages got so much so that the kids are now older than Maggie despite her being present before their conception
The bigger issue is that eventually they run out of ideas. Live action is no different. When characters start getting married and having babies, I know the writers have run out of good ideas and it's time to put it to rest.
Very good summary.
What is interesting, is the fact that the writers themselves were so clueless.
There are so many interviews where Scully can’t stop complimenting himself for those three seasons.
Personally I love seasons three to six the most. They also had exceptional Halloween episodes.
"I’m not normally a praying man, but if you’re up there, please save me, Superman."
I’m not missionary. I don’t even believe in Jeebus.
OH SAVE ME JEEBUS
Oh, Margie,
you came and you found me a turkey
on my vacation away from workey.
*_"If I go crazy will you call me Superman!"_*
@@r520jr8 "Jeebus, Allah, Buddha, I love you all!"
"Homer! I brought someone who can help!"
"Batman?!"
"No, he's a scientist."
"Batman's a scientist."
"It's not Batman!"
Old Homer: Stupid but caring
New Homer: Just stupid
I like modern Simpsons. Homer's character has changed, but very recent episodes have showed a new side of Homer imo
The new Homer is more caring and more competent. Not saying he's the brightest. However, people compare him to Peter Griffin and that's off.. Peter is down right dumb.
I should add that I enjoy both shows
@@thando_simelane I haven't seen Family Guy so I can't speak to that, but I agree that Homer is more caring in modern Simpsons.
@@thando_simelane Peter isn't dumb, he's downright abusive.
Wow, this is the BEST explanation of what went wrong I've ever seen!
Ive been rewatching the Simpsons, but unlike usually stopping at at around season 10, I kept watching and am on season 21 and what you said definitely stood out. Homer is painfully stupid, episodes in which he and Marge go through patches make me angry because of how he's an ass and Marge just puts up with him when she really shouldn't.
Another thing that's really annoying is how Bart went from being a mischievous kid to actually evil. It's like they watched that one episode of treehouse of horror where you find out Bart is the evil twin and then based his entire character on that. Some of the evil stuff Bart does in modern Simpsons he never would have in the past because he's supposed to be a brat, not a monster
Twenty-one seasons?!?!
Season 4 Lisa’s first word:
“The sooner kids talk, the sooner they talk back. I hope you never say a word.” - Homer
“Daddy” - Maggie
My favorite two lines for no one that asked
No one did, but nice to know you agree with most of us.
Not me though, my heart belongs to "Delivered for Bart Simpson with the message: "I am coming to kill you, slowly and painfully!"
When Maggie says "Daddy" I actually choked up a bit. A glimmer of the brilliance on full display in Futurama
"When you think about it, mud is just wet dirt."
-Homer Simpson
DON'T FORGET, YOU'RE HERE FOREVER
DO I_T FOR__________HER________
@@andrearepetto217 Golden age Simpsons is sooo much better than Futurama
"There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power way."
"Isn't that the wrong way?"
"Yep, but faster."
How you get more likes than me when you misquote and post after me?
@alearnedman That’s the _Max Power_ way!
@@alearnedman pfp its iconic no one actually cares what your saying unless your whole profile is a meme
I love it Max!
Ugh
I was just talking to someone about how the Simpsons used to be good. Seeing this made me realize all my favorite and most memorable episodes were the ones where homer had a heart. I grew up watching them and didnt realize the changes until now looking back.
Nostalgia blinded clown 😂
I grew up watching the early-mid seasons of the simpsons around the time that they were airing. I was quite young at the time, but it would just be something to watch if we were bored. I enjoyed the show, and a few years ago I watched one of the newer episodes and was pretty sad to realise that it’s charm was all gone.
"You either die opposing pop culture, or you live long enough to become it."
Idk, Psych did a good job for 8 seasons. The problem is clearly with the new writers not understanding Matt's vision. He should have never given his show to someone else.
Yeah....I can see the same thing happening to so many beloved childhood series that just need to end because it is just now awful how instead of being unique they are just copy-pasted cutouts of clichés and horrible character development.
It's happened to SpongeBob, the Wolfenstein games, Harry Potter, Family Guy I could list more but I think we all know just how bad these have devolved
@@rejvaik00 Family Guy is probably the biggest offender in that list. Season 1 and 2 Family Guy is like a completely different show compared to everything after it.
No joke. I can't recall which channel it was, but there was a video essay that essentially pointed out that the show's decline was when it stopped being counterculture and started _being_ the culture.
@@multitudeofidols I think you're thinking of Super Eyepatch Wolf's video.
The episode when bart steals a video game is the deepest and most emotional episode ever. Or the episode when bart accidently kills a bird and taket care of its eggs. That one explores the relationship between bart and marge. It shows that bart is not just a evil mischief but that he also has a conscience and can take responsibility for his actions. Very heart warming
Back when they borrowed from Andy Griffith instead of Family Guy.
Lol every Christmas my family throws on the episode where bart stole the video game such a classic episode
Two of my favorite quotes are in those episodes:
1. "Marge! Is Lisa at Camp Granada?"
2. Why is this taking so long? Bart was born in about five minutes.
Actually, it took 53 hours.
Really? Well, the time just flew by, didn't it?
Back when Homer was lovably clueless
That episode was gold
Both of those came to mind for me as well. As a kid I thought those both weren’t quite as good. As a father now, I truly see how meaningful and important those episodes were!
Seasons 9 - 12 of The Simpsons is a tragedy. Destroyed the legacy of an amazing show.
Yes this was the biggest tv tragedy of all times
I personally didn't think Season 9 was that bad, but the rest was tragic
For me Bart the Mother at the start of season 10 is the golden age finale. After that is post-peak
S9E1 is the best episode, you're out of your mind. Beyond that, I'm not sure I've even watched up to S12. I've seen pieces of new ones - yikes and gadzooks. 9-12 is a tragedy? How about the present ones where it's all about cellphones and tiktock and "celebrities" nobody has ever heard of and all this gay futuristic shit as though they have a point to prove - "look, we're still relevant!"
“Old homer was ignorant, new homer is plain stupid.”
That's why I've glad how they ended Futurama before they turned it into a former shadow of itself like they did with the Simpsons.
Hear-hear! Still one of the best shows that was, unlike the Simpsons which currently isn't.
@ What's your favourite episode? Mine was Definetly 'The late Philip J. Fry'... :)
Eh, I'd rather a show stop too late than stop too soon. At least in the latter case you can decide to what point the episodes are watchable and ignore the rest, but in the former case you can never properly imagine the episodes that otherwise would've been released that wouldn't be as good as usual but still fine to watch.
Futurama stopped when it was at its height. A show is best stopped past that point, when it's in a decline at the point where the episodes aren't as good as they used to be but they're still nice to watch, but you know if it continues it's going to be bad.
@@_Vengeance_ To be perfectly frank, I'm most sorry for the last few seasons of South Park.
Not only that, but when it came back, it still somehow managed to retain the same level of writing from the first four seasons.
The episode where there is a flashback to Marge and Homer's prom where her date (not Homer) was pushy and tore her dress then later Homer shows up and he fixes her dress, that was one of the sweetest Homer moments.
indeed, before they retconned it with that kurt cobain bullshit. homer and marge "how they met" story is one of the most sacred thing on earth, and they had to retcon/reboot it TWICE only because zoomers would get "confused" if there are no modern references
Artie zigg
It would damage THE TOWN to find out.....
That’s how memorable some of those early ones were.
@@horatiohuffnagel7978 Artie Ziff
@@Zontar82 They've actually retconned it again (or so I'm told, I stopped watching completely when they started recasting characters to be "anti-racist"). Marge was now in high school in the 2000s (and I assume Homer was too, but Groening turned up in the Jeffrey Epstein flight logs, so who knows) in a flashback episode where she's in a drama club and has multiple musical numbers, but Marge voice actres Julie Cavner was unable to actually do these musical numbers due to her health. Instead of scrapping the episode like normal people would, they instead have her voice change to some famous actress whenever she sings.
Now I come to think of it. One of my most remembered comments from Homer was the, uh ohhh spaghettiooos catchphrase. Who knew it was so important in his character 🤷♂️
I watched the first episode the other day and then the most recent one and I was actually saddened at how the character development has gone so insanely downhill. Homer was nit insanely dumb. He just tried to do right by his family. Bart embraced the troublemaking kid but one who showed he cared about marge and homer and had a childlike innocence to him believing in movie magic and that everything will work out for the better. He also wasn’t stupid either. Compare that to where the show has ended up (which is sort of inevitable after 30+ seasons of milking it) and it’s sad. If the simpsons ended around season 10-11 it would undoubtedly be the best animated comedy show ever. Better than everyone even south park. Now it pales in comparison
Ill always miss the kind-hearted Homer - moments like “Do it for Her” or the episodes where we would go above and beyond for Lisa
YEAH! Oh when the saints, go over there!
Sitting on the bonnet of his car watching the stars after saying goodbye to his mother
@@AimzS94 Strangling Bart for not calling him Daddy
The thing is, everyone has some kindness in the early seasons, remember when Bart was mischievous and sometimes a bit sadistic but still a good person at heart, who was capable of feeling empathy and cared for others even if he rarely shows it? Now he's just a sociopath, plain evil, and couldn't care less about anyone else.
Homer is no different, originally he was a lovely idiot, but he was also kind, and had some brief moments of genuine intelligence, he wasn't a complete idiot all the time and despite being very emotional and easily irritated, he was still trying to be a good father and was always willing to sacrifice anything for his family. Now he's not only mentally retarded, but he's also heartless and selfish.
Every character went through similar changes, their positive qualities vanished over time while their negative qualities were exaggerated to the extreme of being everything they are, and in the process every character lost their humanity, and their kindness.
@@stargazer162 Exactly this! Couldn't have said it better.
with the homer we have now, it's hard to imagine how he was the same character who made the "do it for her" board.
True
That's why the theory of Homer being dead and the current run of the show is his fever dream before he died pretty compelling.
@@TheTomimt Interesting, what's the name of the theory?
@@Muskateering I don't know that, but it was based on the old episode, where Homer meets God, who states to him that he has only 4 months or so to live. Many have noted, that the Simpson's started to go crazier after that episode.
@@TheTomimt I don't think that was the intention though, it was just an off the cuff throwaway joke (I know the episode you're taking about) but I'll look into it anyway thanks 👍🏼
great analysis! really digs into the transformation from a realistic character to nothing but a character
I still love the “gym” gag. I also gave up on the show after season 11. Seasons 1-10 chefs kiss with occasional drop-offs.
Homer wasn't the only one who was ruined.
Marge became more hypocritical, jealous, demanding, and judgemental.
Bart became more destructive, selfish, and even started showing signs of being sociopathic.
Lisa became more snobby, overly mature, annoyingly self righteous, and slightly narcissistic.
And Maggie....Well they haven't changed Maggie that much.
Maggie became too much of a focus
Ye that's true
Well, Maggie became a murderer, lol
maggie became a war criminal
Even Ned Flander has became more stupid with time.
Heck! He even gained his own term:"Flanderization!".
And how about Chief Wiggum? He has became so toxic he got almost shot by his two henchmens.
Without a personality, a character is no longer a character.
@Üzun yeah it's was really just supposed to be common sense.
TheRealDownbubbles2 your like billie Ellish but deeper
@@georgehorsfall2048 i somehow i dont doubt that. Didnt she date that xxxten... guy or the other one who overdosed
@@georgehorsfall2048 It's "you're" not "your"
Cesar Vialpando lmao
Two words that make his slow decline realistic.
"Alcohol Abuse"
thanks bro keep up the good work!
the point of homer not knowing how to pronounce “gym” has nothing to do with illiteracy, it’s the idea that the IDEA of a gym would be so foreign to him that he’d never even bothered to learn the word until that moment. In Rainier Wolfcastle’s words: that’s the joke.
Facts. And it was hilarious
Yeah not the best example for what he was going for. It was pretty obvious he didn't read the word wrong because he didn't know how to. The point is he's kind of a slob, which was always the case.
Exactly. Because he clearly reads C. W. McAllister's journal at the top of the Murderhorn and he even reads the shredded chinese newspaper that the Powersauce bars are made of in this same episode.
Thank you for pointing this out so I didn’t have to
Also one the most memorable double bangers in the history of the show.
"Maybe this is just what happens when your character lives for thirty years. When it loses its heart."
Turned 30 a couple months ago, can definitely relate.
I thought 30 is when you get divorced and realize your career is actually a prison? Or was that just me?
@@animateddepression divorced? I thought that's when you get married :v
Did you manage to have your heart when you became thirty?
I lost mine when I was 17
@@MetalAcrean edgy ass 17 yr old lmao
Ugh I’m only 29 thanks for the warning lol
How did you do the VHS Effect? Great video ❤
I'm not sure when I first started watching the Simpson's (I'm 35), it feels like it's one of those things I remember being around my entire life. I feel like I was too young to notice the change. Either that or growing up in an emotionally shallow household.
I remember being a very young child in a small city, seeing the families in shows like The Simpson's or that old Dinosaurs sitcom, and just feeling "off" about my own family. I wanted to get away from them for years, but the 2008 recession, having Crohn's disease, and rising college prices made getting away very difficult. It felt like I was on autopilot, then one day at work when I was 29, I just sort of "woke up" and had a realization about my mother. Not going to get into it, I've been working on trying to piece things together for about a year and a half, but it's hard. I have a dissociative condition, so there's probably things I'll never remember.
I apologize for the length of this comment and how personal the topic is. Coincidentally, for the last few days, I've been trying to figure out how exactly I knew things weren't right at home, and cartoon/sitcom families are kind of my best guess so far. Given my dissociation, moments of clarity about my early life are few and far between, and only last so long, so I'll just go with the flow sometimes and see what I can remember.
I'll leave with this. I moved away from my home state in 2018 with my girlfriend, and cut all communication with my family in 2020, around my 34th birthday and things have been much better.
Thanks for making this, Nerdstalgic. Didn't think a video about Homer Simpson would help so much in a personal way ❤
The best seasons of the Simpsons aired from 1992-1997 (seasons 4-8). You were probably too young to watch those.
"you either die as a hero, or live long enough to become the villain"
Or live long enough to see yourself become the villan** i think its like this.....
@@dorianbrecevic4818 his quote was correct.
@@janski1490 nah, dorian is right
...or live long enough to be r***d by a panda 👀
Dark knight
Homer died when he ate the poisonous blowfish and we’re all in his hell.
STOP THIS 🤯
😦😵😰😨
Nice answer
"So you like donuts, eh? Well have all the donuts in the world! HA HA HA!"
@@handsomebrick “I don't understand. The last obese man got crazy after the first 300”
also, the simpsons are so powerful at predicting the future, they basically predicted their own show's future
‘I’m a mascot of an evil corporation’
@@Ado_Rodd Best example of this.
Simpsons ended for me around 8th season
The Simpsons nowdays is like having a grandparent in life support. On one hand, you have so many great memories together and don't wish for them to go. On the other hand, you can't stand watching them struggling pathetically to stay alive and just want to end their suffering.
its crazy to think that there are now more simpsons episodes i havent seen than have, yet i consider it to be one of my favourite shows of all time. season 1-10 are gold - the animation, humour, sound design, everything.
its like a cozy old blanket. when i first moved countries watching the simpsons was always so comforting.
And you wonder "who the hell is paying the bill for all this?". I really wonder how Fox still makes enough money on this piece of crap to justify renewing it.
TittySprinkles, it’s the merchandise sales that’s keeping Simpson’s alive, or at least it used to be until Disney bought out Fox, so it seems since Disney is practically a monopoly at this point in time Simpson’s will never die out.
Like Mr Burns would've said.. Well put Ox!! Well put!
So to cheer you up: the ending of the simpsons would'nt be "the ending of the simpsons". In a interview one of the writers said he allways imagined the ending of the simpsons that at the end of the last episode the family goes to a school sideshow in springfield elementary just like the first episode began. So it would be a infinite loop. That would answer the question why no one is aging but throws up the question what happens to the characters who died? Like maud.
Anyone else notice that he said “He cares about his family” while playing the clip of him crying because there was no food at Marge’s aunts funeral lmao
take clips out of context and manipulate them to make it seem like something else to support your argument. that's the power of editing
@@bluerat2106 he didn't describe the visual so you can't be genuinely accusing him of lying.
It's just a visual to go with what he was saying.
@@bluerat2106 but he did care about his family, dude just used a different clip, chill
@@bluerat2106 Similar to how you took that action out of context, as all he did was use an effective visual to go along with his point... that's the power of dumbass commentors.
@@pickleproductions5736 he was just stating the fact that people do that in their videos (which regardless of how you want to spin it is what the guy who made the video did) you all are the ones taking it negatively lol
Good analysis- but my main takeaway personally i just how much I just don't care these days about The Simpsons. I remember watching the hyped premier and first seasons every Sunday night, and for so long afterwards it was an every night watch. I feel like I should care, but damn it's been soooooo long now, I got nothing. Cheers!
Interesting topic. Great video.
I always associated my gradual dislike for the newer Simpsons episodes(at that time around '99-on) as a childhood reaction to my family moving to a new town and the end of my own era. I started liking Futurama much more than the Simpsons and now that makes more sense.
I know it's all about the money, unfortunately, but the industry need to take the Seinfeld route and just kill shows off when they need to be ended, OR take a hiatus for a bit and let new material build naturally, or start a new show(like Futurama). I wish the voice actors would have said "no" and at least help end this show 10-15 years ago.
Larry David left *Seinfeld* before the rest of the cast did.
@@Attmay Point being that it ended on top and when it needed to, instead of dragging on.
'Even Homer doesn't want to be the guy they turned him into.'
I'm not crying, you're crying.
Too real.
🥺 :(
😭
Is like he's been trapped inside a cartoonish body for decade
Im not stoned, your stoned
“I used to be with IT and then they changed what IT was, now what I’m with isn’t IT and what is IT is weird and scary to me and it’ll happen to you too.”
Yup.
Yo sí estaba en onda, pero luego cambiaron la onda, ahora la onda que traigo no es onda y la onda de onda me parece muy mala onda. Y te va a pasar a ti.
"No way man! We are going to be rocking forever...
[Present day]
...forever...forever."
@The Duke lol
True words
That moment where he's at work and he use Maggie pictures to motivate him to keep going what's the best moment I ever seen though I was just a kid
The panda episode, in it's airing, is where I checked out of the Simpsons, whatever year that was. You nailed it, dude. I told folk, "Homer got mean!" and they went "huh"?
I miss the moments Homer and Marge have that are sweet and Homer just being a great dad
Nowadays it feels like every recent episode has Homer and Marge fight and possibly break up.
Watch Bob's burgers
Same, it's one of my all time favorite relationships, with "The Way We Was" and "Secrets of a Successful Marriage" being in my top ten favorite episodes while also loving "I Married Marge". But now we have episodes like "That 90's Show" which is a horrible episode.
Aveann Bousek YES THIS.
@@AB-lj1ke A show that ignores the usual dysfunctional family archetypes found in Simpsons and Family Guy and just becomes its own thing.
That, and the Belchers are more charming and funny than both those families have ever been in a while.
“You either die a hero or a Peter griffin clone”
Yelp
10-4 good buddy remember keep on trucking and keep the rubber side truck driver
Bob Belcher too needs to hear this warning...it's early but just in case..
At least Peter griffin works because he was designed to be a dimwitted self absorbed jerk.
And Peter Griffin started as a Homer Simpson clone
Brilliant video, thank you. This is something I've tried to describe to people for over 20 years.
Dang, you put way much into this 🤣
I can't believe the writers of the shit seasons mocked Groening and the original creators when the show was actually good!
When did they do that?
lawnmowerdude It says in the video
As well as say the simpsons is "male dominated" and "guy humor" to justify why there's no women on the writing staff. Even tho Lisa and Marge are pretty big characters too!
nocctea I wouldn’t say that’s a huge problem though the justification is
John Your really super cool but let’s be adults and write a strongly worded and polite letter instead.
I feel like so many shows have this issue of starting out with a dumb but lovable character and slowly having them get dumber with each passing season until they are insufferable. For example Patrick from Spongebob and Cosmo from Fairly Odd Parents. I also feel like they become more aggressive and mean spirited the dumber they get.
Mariah Alberti I think it has a lot to do with them getting new writers on the show who try to ‘change’ things around and probably have no idea who the original character’s personalities really were.
Kevin in The Office
But Patrick didn't get that evil
I agree there's really only so many times a dumb character can do something dumb and redeem themselves without the episodes being completely formulaic, so the writers just destroy the character with more and more stupid choices that they always get away with, your especially right about Patrick he went from being 3 dimensional with his own issues and standalone episodes to being a completely one dimensional punchline character who is only ever seen in a supporting role dragging everyone else down
@@josh44026 patrick scared me sometimes, when he would go from sweet and bumbly to suddenly irate. I know now they were often referencing something, and that is in fact how really dumb people often are too.
Amazing video!
So sad to see, how, whenever you hand creative projects to someone else, they alsways miss the point.
You would think, since most of us understand and love these characters, it shouldn't be so hard, to find good replacements.
But maybe, being a producer consumes so much of your time, that you can't really emerce yourself in other peoples creation, and therefor, you are doomed, once you're supposed to take them over.
Maybe, there will be a time coming, when noone wants to take projects over anymore, because they know how often such things failed. But in the face of money and popularity, I doubt it will ever happen...
Luckely, we got TH-cam, and real fans are able to produce good fan movies. And Matt Groening, still blesses us with amazing shows and great characters :)
00:35 Max Power?
MAXIMUM AND HIGHER!
I think you helped me realize why I always had a soft spot for Homer but always hated Peter in Family Guy. Homer was not intelligent, but had a heart and cared about his impact on others where Peter is the blank slate that Homer later became.
So you dislike a blank slate but consider physical assault care and concern?
Do you have a family yourself, because you sound like you’d probably beat your children and husband.
yeah but at least the gags in family guy were actually funny.
@@steviegbcool crazy, cuz I think both shows are very different…. Love Family Guy, but without the Simpsons….there isn’t a family guy. The Simpsons is just better imo 👍🏼
@@ledzep9943classic Simpsons is better. Post 2000 Simpsons is terrible has the video clearly explains
Oh yes, I hate Peter when he violates Meg for no reason. I mean it's so dumb and unnessary.
"You know, Maggie; the sooner kids talk, the sooner they talk back. I hope you never say a word."
*Homer kisses Maggies forehead, turns off the light and leaves the room. Maggie takes out her pacifier and says*
"Daddy."
I miss the comedy of the golden age of the Simpsons but it is the heart and moments like these that I miss the most.
My headcanon is that that was the very last episode; the show ended with her sleeping. The next episode - and every one after that - was just her dreaming about her family and community. That's why so many things in the show have gone askew or been retconned: Dreams don't have to make sense, especially to a baby.
That's why I prefer Futurama over the Simpsons. Fry has never lost his heart or brain.
@@user-bf6gz8ej4o They're bringing Futurama back, so he still might get ruined yet.
@@DaRkLoRdZoRc My theory is that Grandpa has dementia and the later episodes are how he perceives everything.
@@KasumiKenshirou my theory is that commercialization tends to ruin creative heart (i get making headcanons and theories to fill in the blanks though; not trashing that whatsoever. it's just that i feel fans shouldnt have to do all the heavy lifting to make things good, as fun as it can be.)
4:01. What music is playing?
after Season 8, it's more than just Homer that changes. I think Season 9 was my cut off point. I may have caught episodes to about Season 13 while channel surfing and that ended with cancelling cable, haven't seen a full episode since. Apparently they're in season 30-somethhing and it's some bizarro version of the Simpsons now. There's a reason the earlier seasons are infinitely rewatchable still to this day.
87 Homer: Angry boi
90s homer: Responsable boi
2000s homer: Funny boi
2020 homer: *Peter griffin*
Well Simpson died a long time ago we need a new show man .
Responsible? Really?
@@andylatino Well Hes Dumb But Not Stupid Like Peter Griffin.
@@normalguy5208 disenchantment bois
The real homer fell off a cliff remember
in the last 20 or so seasons, Homer isn't even a person anymore. He's just a walking gag, and not a very good one, at that.
Yeah that's what he said in the video^^.
I feel like 20 seasons of a profitable show say he is.
@@clydefrosch 'Profitable' does not equal 'good'.
True
@THE REAL TYREE SNEED yeah, no. familiar is all fine and dandy, but people still like this. all of it.
most people aren't hardcore nerd babies after all. they don't write essays about the downfall of the simpsons because they're still very much fine with what it is
id like to know I'm not sure how long ago the episode came out but I would love to hear thoughts on the episode homer goes to work early
I always assumed his decline in intelligence was due to the power plant lol
Basically when Homer became Peter Griffin I checked out.
The Simpsons really is 'Family Guy'. Complete with the daughter being the only sympathetic, human character. Who's used as a punching bag by everyone else.
I hope this doesn't happen with south park
@@mysteriiis Marge is the only sympathetic, human character. Lisa is a stand in for the liberal biases of the creators. She's the Brian of the show.
@@Gotterdammerung05 The Simpson's-verse has become so loathsome that even Lisa--as-constant-scold doesn't bother me. A terrible place requires a strident prophetess. Marge, however, has become such a depressingly broken Stepford Wife; that it might be kindest to permit her a suicide by valium overdose; leaving Homer to collapse under his own (behavioral) weight. At which point Flanders would likely gain custody; allowing Bart and Lisa to drag Rod and Todd into real life.
@@poketcircuitfighter8288 how would it happened to South Park
I’m starting to see a trend that beloved characters are being put in the hands of people who do not care for the material that they are working with.
Either dont care or actually dont understand the original vision for the characters or story. It's sad really
yeah, thats the case for most franchises I've noticed not just film and tv but also gaming
Ghostbusters.
They should just give up and make these works public domain.
But they believe that nostalgia sells, and also that people want new things, which are contradicting ideas that lead to awful products.
Why can't they just make something new? Seems like their only creativity left is used for their accountancy.
Star Wars springs to mind
Original homer : actually cares for bart
Last seasons homer :
They hired people who didn't care about the original creation. Nowadays it happens more and more.
This is so similar to what happened to spongebob too
Oh he mentions spongebob
Bo Cartiglia right when I saw this comment I saw heard him say sponge bob
The drop in Spongebob is only after three seasons. Not sure if it gets even worse but if you watch seasons 3 and 4 back to back you can really tell.
@@NowhereMan7 i think for m the problem with spongebob is those earlier seasons you mentioned even though a cartoon could still be watched and enjoyed by older kids and even adults now its very childish and goofy like something a 5 yr old would like
Curse of yellow hard working soft character
The simpsons movie had an arc for homer, where he turns from a heartless jerk who ruins the family’s (and town’s) lives, eventually learning that his family’s life is parallel with his own, that if they’re unhappy, he is too. He then risks it all to get back to them, gets Bart’s trust back and makes the best ending line I think will ever be said (in an animated movie, of course). “The best kiss of your life, so far”. They then proceed to place homer back as the jerk he was and only refers to the movie once, when mr burns wants to put a dome around Springfield again. In my opinion, the movie was the best chance they had to either end the simpsons, or turn it around, and they did neither.
Just pretend the show ended with the movie and you'll be much happier lol, that's what I do
The messed up part of that is that the movie *was supposed to be* the end of the Simpsons, but instead the show kept going due to ratings.
@@VolTrembaan I like to pretend the show ended after seasons 8-9. The movie came too late.
@@Memespam Oh god, that would've been soo good.
At least for me the Simpsons really dropped in quality shortly after the movie.
I guess it's hard for us outsiders to say, but how do the remaining voice actors sleep at night?
I know this was made 2 years ago but I wanna share my point of view of him. Homer in the newer seasons does seem more worn out and lazy but there are some good episodes that support his love for his family. In season 31 he met a apparently very beautiful women but even with her many attempts of luring him in, he never went with her and came back home to Marge. IMO that shows a lot about how much he cares and loves his wife (especially that designer ad with the Simpson which I forgot the name of, think it started with a B?). He might be stupid and lazy, but he has redeeming qualities. Homer also tried his best trying to get Maggie that little elf toy, he stood up to his daughter in a sexist girl’s store. And Bart, well I don’t really remember all that much for him but I think there was a good episode between them. Sorry if my grammar is terrible lol
I agree. I don't know why people say the shark jump is season 9. It is most definitely season 10, and specifically, the AABF production cycle.
My god, its like Homer slowly turned into Peter Griffin.
Tbh I only watch 1-10 seasons over and over. It's so good
I have the disturbing feeling that Homer is already past Peter Griffin...
When he was raped by the panda.
homer became peter, peter became cartman.
Mustard Bastard at least cartman can be funny
I only realized Homer was my favorite character when I realized we had lost him.
Libyan?
We never truly realize what we lost, until we lost it.
Agreed!!
The ending to the episode where Homer watches his deadbeat mom drive away and out of his life again is sadder than a lot of traffic movie endings