MIXED UP BOSS: My Mistake That Lost US BIG POWER. Don't be this guy, 700HP+NOW
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- Unity heads back to the race engine challenge Dyno facility in Charlotte NC to find that I had made a big mistake at 3am putting the Cleveland Hi-Ram on right before the big Dyno Day!
Big shout out to Dennis my Dyno Operator for not giving up on getting Project MIXED UP BOSS over the 700hp threshold! he trimmed a bit of RTV that was overhanging inside the intake port face... Given the time on the Dyno I totally dismissed it as "Maybe" 5hp... but Dennis being ever determined felt that the power loss would be big ..I was wrong and he was 100% right!
he took the time on Easter Sunday to get MIXED UP BOSS running how it should!
I can sleep good now!
if you would like to Thank Dennis and Greg
here is the link to the GoFundMe to help out the Dyno guys in their journey to find power even when I had thrown in the towel!
I can sleep good now!!
gofund.me/0cc757cc
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Glad to see the extra effort put out for the extra ponies! Just to emphasize again, yes the small things add up. For all the gear heads out there, if you want yours to run better than the other guy, pay attention to ALL the details.
That's why Glidden was known as "Mad Dog". Unceasing effort to get the absolute most out of his combinations.
I have been a 'car guy' since the 1970's and did my first motor swap(and it ran and didnt burn to the ground...lol) in 1979.....
I have ALWAYS said "...its all those little things you do that add up to being first on race day....." or something like that.....and that cammer sounds strong on the dyno at 7200....lol
Now THAT is service. Literally No one does stuff like that anymore. Usually you get them trying to sell you parts.
I know.. Dennis and I thought that it had 700hp in it...but he made it reality!
Thanks for Watching
Andy
I am stoked to see that 700 number now, but the real victory and take away is how freaking awesome Dennis is, that dude is a real enthusiast and wasn't willing to settle. If they were closer to me, I would love to give them a shot
Jed he wouldn't stop till we hit the number... There is still more left because the port match with the epoxy isn't spot on... That's what happens when you try to do it all in one night! 😆. They want to see more... But I'm happy at this point!
Thanks
Andy
CARB CULT LEADER ANDY!!!
707 and 597. That is pretty darn good
Omfg Dennis holding that knife and the music playing had me rolling 🤣🤣🤣
That’s an engine to be proud of right there. Great work Andy AND Dennis!
Baby-shark I had to add that music... Lol it has been fun working with Dennis and Greg on the Dyno!
Andy
When Andy was a boy we were working on the 1969 Boss 429 and we took the heads off some smart engineer thought it would to use O-Rings in the head for everything , So we couldn't turn the car upside down to make sure the heads went together right .A call to Holman Moody made life easier they said bo and get some silicone bathtub caulking and use it to hold the O-Rings in place . After that there was an explosion in the use of RTV and oil pickups loved it . We did too ! because we never ran out of engine work after that . Be careful not to get sloppy with that magic in a tube or " You can Pay Me Now or Pay me Later " as the old saying goes .
You guys worked your a** off on this one and you didn't give up. I'd say Dennis is one of the best dyno operators in the United States . He knows what hes doing thinks of everything, Is very picky and cares about customers
You are right Don! Him and Greg are second to none... Can't wait for them to get their channel up and going!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage me either. That will be great
Congratulations Andy. It's almost like finding money when you do your laundry.
Exactly!!!! Thanks for Watching
Andy
429 CID is 7030 ccm so you passed the 100 hp/L line. Congratulations. Very well done. :)
Also respect to Race Engine Challenge Dyno Facility.
I have to give credit to Dennis... He got us there!
Andy
yea it's good per cc no matter what type of an engine
@@lasskinn474 Thanks!!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Dennis is the man. I always calculate hp by HP = (lb/ft x rpm)/5252 and "never" gets the same result as on the dynosheet throug the pull. I did in this case. :D
Also it is 1.39 lb/ft/CID at peak torque, but it is 1.29 lb/ft/CID at peak horsepower and that is very impressive.
Then one has to consider that this is the first attemt with this motor, so, WOW. :)
@@finnroen2334 Dennis is the man... That is forsure! This engine it a torque monster.. making 530lbft down at 3600rpm and it carries that number to 6900rpm! CASPER is going to need good tires... 😆
Both teams working together, at the end both were satisfied
working on no sleep is a killer! when I did hvac all through the 90's working 90 hours a week in 95 degree heat i burnt up some parts here and there. glad to see you got well over 700 horsepower! take care andy and get some much needed rest.
95 degrees outside & 110+ in an attic..... oh yeah, been there and done that in the 90's as well
@@BareRoseGaragei refused a couple attic jobs running ductwork. . wasn't worth it!
I was thinking that you were on your way to the Dyno. Great stuff, and as I have been trying to say that you are blessed to have great people who are surrounding you in the times you need them or help them doesn't matter. A great person is a great person. Grandfather's saying, one of that I can still hear him say today.
Those are good numbers, all that attention to detail paid off. And the engine looks beautiful!
Very good demonstration of how something so simple can cause a significant loss of power and also a good demonstration of how close to starving for air that the engine truly is.
Exactly! It wants more...
Andy
I did a software implementation in NYC in 2002, where I pulled 5, 24 hours shifts in 7 days. Yes, I made some mistakes, because I was just forgetting my shit. But, I always do a QA and caught my mistakes and repaired before going into production.
In the mid 1980's, we were moving equipment and supplies, for the North, from Edmonton to Hay River, and loaded onto barges, can take 30-40 hours. Then hop a plane to Yellowknife, catch an hours sleep, get on next plane to Norman Wells. It is daylight 24 hours and hard to sleep.
Bottle Rocket?? 318?? LOL
That's one for the books. Good job guys!
Thanks Bill for Watching
Andy
That's awesome! I guess that would be similar to the results of good gasket matching from head to intake.
Great job guys, way to go
Lack of sleep will affect your judgement, Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are good examples of how wrong it can go, now we can add your overhanging gasket material to the list. Good video Andy, I always enjoy hearing what you have to say.
Thanks James! You are right
Andy
Congrats Andy!!! Incredible job by all of you guys
Just like they said, do clean, good work and double check everything. Almost 20 HP just by trimming a gasket. That's how much things can change a modern performance engine these days. Absolutely amazing.
You are exactly right!
Andy
Goes to show you.Congratulations
Great work as always
That dyno competition idea I mentioned the late model pushrod 5 L engine I would bet money a lot of people would love that because right now the Fox Mustang is arguably one of the most sought-after cars for Hot Rod kids that like American muscle but too many of them are throwing LS in there thinking that the 5 L is a weak POS but most of those kids never get anywhere near 500 hp and I’ve had mine with the Paxton blower on it putting 600 to the wheels for a decade now so give these kids a reason to keep that motor because there are too many mustangs sitting in garages with an incomplete motor swap in them and if the kid just kept the 5 L they would still be driving it
Brilliant outcome guys. Teamwork. Dedication. Knowledge. Respect.
Now that is Top Work by Dennis. Bravo!
See, Dennis deserves all the credit given. The Psycho Knife ...........YES!
Yes Sir!!!
Hi Andy. You are so lucky to have dedicated people helping you but you probably know that already. Target set and met. Look out Uncle T. Andrew
I am very fortunate!!! That is fursure... Thanks for Watching
Andy
Points to the dyno shop that's for sure. Can't wait to see it perform in a car. It sounds AMAZING ringin it up!!
congratulations on meeting your goal Andy!
Congrats on 700+ 🐎 🤘
Excellent! These vids just keep getting better and better!
Thanks James!! That means alot to me...
Andy
Dennis rocks, and so do you Andy! Please at some point, install a larger intake-I feel that there is more HP in MUB! Thank you!
TS, On my 429/460 block in my Mustang, it loves 36 deg total timing and 18 deg Idle timing. Andy said his don't respond to that much so he is at 30-32 deg. Interesting.
@@robertclymer6948 efficient combustion chambers? IMHO it still needs more intake manifold, or ultimately an FI individual runner intake.
I think compression is limiting power below 7000. Above 7000 the power drop off is quite steep, more likely the cam is played out.
@@robertclymer6948 totally different engine
Vacuum at 7000 ?
Maybe Uncle Tony infiltrated the shop that night n spooged extra silicone in there. Sabotage?
Brahahahahahahahahaha! Good One!!!
That's absolutely beautiful. Talk about a beast!
Thanks Kurt!
My understanding is that, with a highly tuned tunnel ram setup, you ideally want to have the same, or very close to the same cubic inch capacity inside the intake (plenum and runners), as the displacement of the engine it's on.
Gratz man!
Yet another valuable lesson and heck yeah so happy for you Andy👌👍🤘🤘🤘
Thanks David!
Great news Andy. Like I always say, attention to detail pays off. Great job Dennis, for going the extra mile.
Lession is Don't be this guy fitting the intake at 3AM before the Dyno! 😆 Dennis won the bet...
Andy
She's a stump puller, 700hp and almost 600ftp wow 👌 he looked after you there ,well done
Yes, he did! Dennis did a great job...
Thanks for watching!
Andy
Holy cow, that's badass! 708
Sounds super good. Super stoked for ya!
Thanks Bill! I'm pretty excited..
Andy
Hell ya Congratulations 🏁
Thanks John!
Andy
Awesome job Dennis.
Congratulations Andy on the Big Steam in The Dyno.
Much respect for everyone's hard work.
Leave nothing on the table.
Great content.
Thank you, EM.
Thanks Ed, I had thrown in the towel... But Dennis didn't give up!
Andy
WOW! Dennis is an absolute Legend!!! That’s the sort of mate you want/need around. Somebody, buy that man a beer or 12 and get him a bottle of bourbon!!! 😂.
So stoked for you Andy! Grab yourself a beer too, for building a beast of an N/A Motor!
Dennis is the man!
He kept digging until he found that 708hp!
Andy
As DV says, air has mass.
Go with the flow
What a Champion Dennis is
Great Result Andy
That's awesome Andy! I've always thought that a really good dyno operator is worth their weight in gold but he took that to the extreme. Now if you can disguise a more suitable short runner large plenum intake so it looks like an old school weiand.
David, Dennis is really good at what he does... Thanks for Watching
Andy
Shoot your are at the very top of the game. I've gained incredible insight watching this channel.
Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you have enjoyed it...
Andy
Wow Andy that Boss is expressive. Congratulations on the 708 HP's
YES!!! Great info, RTV in the ports was worth 15 hp! Just FYI Andy, I use Permatex High Tack instead of silicone on intake ports for that very reason. It comes in a can with a brush and you paint it on, this is the part number I use 80062.
Good catch Dennis. I knew it had it Andy. Congrats.
Dennis is the man... It has been so much fun working with him.. I believe there is even more left in it... But I need to get it in CASPER!
Andy
Great transparency! Tip of the hat to the dyno people who went above and beyond to help you achieve your goals. Very entertaining video.
Thanks... Dennis is the star here! Talk about service
That is the most awesome mix up build I have ever seen great job. Eat your heart out Chevy and Mopar!
Thanks! It's been fun but now the real work starts of getting it in CASPER... Road to the #nonamenationals baby
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Awesome, glad to see it do over 700!
Me too Rich! Thanks for Watching
Andy
Happy 4 ya Andy....!...He is a good dude...on Easter...!...!..Best video yet...! again...thanks 4 the honesty....! Regards,Brian
Thanks Brian! I feel it's important to show the good and bad... We learn from our mistakes...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage when I made a living work'n on cars...a boss/& friend i workd with had 2 great sayings...." a lesson hard learned...is a lesson...well learned"....&..."everybody makes mlstakes...its a fool that makes the same ones twice"...who would have thought a little silicone could mean "that" much...! I wount forget that...! Cant wait to see MUB in Casper @ the track...like i said b4....I think u will need to get Casper a new "sticker" pair of sneakers....lol...reguards,Brian
The power it made is great ....But the oiling issues are bad and needs to be #1 concern.
Good job bro finally got the numbers you were after 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Hippie! Dennis knocked it out of the park...
Andy
Casper’s gonna blow every single door off of Bottle Rocket! Also do these guys have a TH-cam channel? He did a good job while filming.
Thanks William, I still have a ton of work to get done! Dennis is starting a Channel here in the near future...Stay Tuned!
Andy
Great effort all round. Well done! 🇦🇺
Thanks for Watching Brett! It was extremely fun working with these guys...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage You have a great channel. Very informative. Thanks very much.
@@brettr That means alot to me... Thanks again
Andy
It`s been fun watching you get Mixed Up Boss running and getting the HP you wanted, especially after Dennis wouldn't take anything less for a final answer. Good on both of you, and good luck on the track!!
Thank you! It's been a long road..but the real work is just beginning! Now it's time to get it in the truck! Lol
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage
Andy, Are you racing down in Sikeston? I used to race there until 20 years ago and now we are up in Bonne Terre, a really nice track, please let me know if you ever get up this way. I ve been following you, DV and Uncle Tony on Mission Impossible. We are just 10 miles from Bonne Terre. We have lived 15 years here and 32 in Sikeston. Small world!
Andy, this is my favorite build I've ever seen on a motor. And I'll tell you one thing anybody that hasn't seen this is missing out!
John, Thank you for that... It's been a journey! That's forsure...
Andy
That few extra here and there adds up for sure ! Take care Andy
Thanks Tony you are right...
Andy
Awesome video. I have the same problem on a 392 windser. My intake does not match my heads. My engine builder that is no longer living, told me its not a big hp killer not to worry. Well he was wrong. I will be pulling the intake off soon and doing some port matching. You da man Andy and congratulations.
Mark, I was shocked even DV said maybe 5hp give or take... But this proved just how much air this engine wants...All of it! Thanks for Watching
Andy
The music made this as good as a Hitchcock movie! Seriously, I love how humble and honest you are, even though you are working with a legend like David Vizard.
The whole purpose of this channel is to be honest about outcomes good and bad! I messed up on this...
Andy
love FORD STUFF I HOPE YOU SORT OUT THIS SBF BOSS LOOKS LIKE IT HAS LOTS OF POTENTIAL
Hells yeah, 700! Helluva goal achieved. Thanks Andy for having us along for this build, now go whip Uncle tony, if he brings slaghammer Git his ass!
Thanks for Watching Jason! Now the real work begins...
Andy
Thanks for always showing us the whole story. I understand why you are saying “don’t be this guy” but I feel you could/should say “be this guy” because you guys showed how teamwork, free exchange of ideas, hard work, and never giving up will get you places. Happy that you reached the number!
Don't be me... Bolting the intake on at 3AM when you have to be at the Dyno first thing that morning!! It's too easy to make mistakes... Lol
Andy
nice work dennis and greg i am very impressed i am especially impressed with your sharp skills and memory dennis, i myself like to use anerobic loctite type sealant around intake ports witch only dries were it's air tight any over hang doesn't cure and gets washed threw with petrol during engine use
What an awesome vid to close the Mixed Up Boss dyno series with! Congrats on breaking 700HP! What an incredible build.
You know Andy, in reality you were only a few HP away from 700, which is incredible for a pump gas street driven small block Ford. But "over 700" just sounds so much better than 695 or whatever the last dyno vid HP numbers were. Live and learn is what it's all about brother.
This is coming from an old SBC guy, if that makes any difference! And I know there has to be close to another 100HP in it with a few changes, if you ever decide to compromise a little on reliability, street-ability, and run race gas.
Thanks for the kind words Jeff, you are right.. I was kinda bummed out about the 692hp but Dennis never gave up! You are right it's about learning from our mistakes
SPRAY IT!!!! Congratulations Andy!
😂🍼
Don't worry!! The bottomend can handle all that I want to throw at it
Andy
Proper portmatchig means no leftover gasket material or sealer within the ports.
Things at 3AM get crazy!
That’s awesome!
I’m curious why the Hp and torque are not closer together? Both numbers are really, really good tho. I built an all iron 440. It made 500 HP and torque with factory heads.
Bruce as the engine becomes more efficient the HP and Tq spread will normally get wider... It makes for much higher AVG HP and TQ with the wider spread
Oh yeah baby
Right on bro! Glad you got your numbers! Solid knife 🔪 work lol.
Thanks brother...
I would love to have that motor, and put it in a ‘89 Thunderbird SC. It’s bad ass!!
Thanks Reg,
Andy
3 good lessons. Be persistent, don't dismiss small details, avoid the parts cannon. That is such a good series. Thanks to everyone involved.
That's exactly right! Thank you for watching... It means alot to me!
Andy
Love your candor, Andy (Dennis too)! It's the little things...Also, 3% correction factor is pretty conservative. As we know, corrected dyno figures for conditions and different dynos yield different (sometimes enhanced, a.k.a. doctored results.) 708 horse and 590 plus lb/ft torque quite good for your 429 Shotgun Windsor combination within your pull parameters. Can't wait for the ultimate result when your sorted and run the blacktop dyno. Keep up the good work!
Bill, I'm pretty excited that it made this on just 93 Oct. Pump gas.... Thanks for Watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage The fuel may be holding the power down but that wiper fluid you're using sure is killer!😉
Congratulations Andy, look forward to see what Casper runs
I hope to build a Hammer headed Windsor for the maverick
Fastlane, I still stand by my words from two years ago...these are the best "as cast" port SBF heads you can get! They have the look and they make the power!
You will love them...
Andy
Damn that was fun to watch. Your going to have fun with that one. “Casper, open wide”
I had to add the horror music to the knife scene...lol I did have fun with it!
Thanks for Watching Laut
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage you were so tired you were walking into walls. 708/393=1.8! Just amazing
It's great he was looking out for you! It's crazy that the silicone was costing you that much power.
I know Nathan! I was surprised...
Andy
Good job Andy👍
Thanks, Dennis never gave up on finding that 700hp!
Why didn't you just use a Offhauser dual quad, I know there extremely difficult to find, but wow at least it would fit. Awesome build, absolutely loving it.
Awesome content!
Thanks Hugh!
Andy
The devil's in the details, great job guys 👍👍🇺🇸
Exactly!!!
Andy
GREAT JOB GUYS
Thanks Mike!
Nice job 👍
Will be sending my go fund me as soon as I get paid next Wednesday Andy and Dennis! Thanks! Great job Dennis, such attention to detail, so it is the little things after all! Happy for you Andy, now get MUB back in Casper, Uncle Tony is waiting. lol
Robert, thanks! I took your suggestion.... Those guys are top notch
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage No doubt about it Andy, few and far between!
On 93octane with carbs I could not be more mind blown an absolute LS eating monster thank you for building this i’m not sure what you are going to put it in but please for my sanity make it a stick shift
Phillip thanks for the kind words! Casper will be running a Automatic for a bit... The ultimate plan is to drop a Lenco in it!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Lenco YES! Congratulations for hitting your number I’ve been following this since the beginning and you put a lot of time into it I cannot wait to see it run especially with the Lenco even though it is kind of cheating lol
Awesome Job! Guys. 700+ Andy. There is a better sealer than silicon for that surface. It's called (FIPG) Made by Toyota part # 00295-00103. I used to work at the dealer. It goes on like RTV. Is stands up to oil/gas etc. It basically turns into rubber. You can bolt a valve cover on with it. remove the v/c bolts the next day. And run the motor. FIPG stands for Form In Place Gasket. It's avail on e-bay. You should try it. I use it on intake china seals. It never leaks.
NICE !!!
Congratulations Andy! That is awesome! Do you know if ill fitting header gaskets have the same negative effect?
I have never done that test... BUT I would say it's more important on the intake side... It would be interesting to see the effects of it
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage When I first got my car running last year, I put some used header gaskets on there just to get it going. I noticed they didn’t fit great, but had intentions of getting new ones. Been over a year now, and still haven’t changed them. I suppose if there is,or was any obstruction, it has burnt off by now. They’ve never leaked, so at this point I’ll run em until they do. Congratulations again on Mixed Up Boss. That’s an awesome motor, very unique, and something to be proud of. Can’t wait to see it at the track! God bless…
Gotta feeling that there’s a “wait there’s more” Congrats again & welcome to the 700hp+ Club 👍🏼🏁 well deserved numbers especially for them Ci & Heads & all on pump gas 👌🏼🏁
Andy next time you bolt down a TR intake, make sure you carry a sharp blade ok haha 👍🏼🏁
I bet that won't happen again.
No more 3AM rush jobs... 😆
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage haha 🤣 🤦🏻♂️.......well done bro, enjoy it now & give it some 👍🏼🏁
That was to cool I went back and listened to the pulls a few times. Its crazy what a little extra gasket and silicone rtv or whatever you used. could have robbed you from almost 20 hp. Great video guys I'm excited to see it go into a project and you making some pulls.
Thanks! I think it even sounds better now... But it might be just me... Thanks for Watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Good attention to detail fellas, but was there an actual dyno pull done with a Before and After comparison with RTV sealant to show the actual LOSS vs GAIN of the horsepower/torque numbers???
@@DuneWest you need to watch my last video!
Boss 9s are a hard motor to work with so Connie calitta says but big John mazmainian got his funny car with the boss 9 dual turbos to work fairly good but it takes big money I'm sticking with my 2016 LT1 Chevy with a Z51 option with a high ram intake roller rockers better cam n lifters in my 57 Chevy sedan delivery thanks for the video tony your a great machanic we're always learning new tricks
Richard this isn't technically a BOSS 9 it is a stroker Ford Windsor smallblock that measures 429" it uses Hammerhead Performance Engines BOSS 429 style heads by Greg Brown...
The LT1 combo is a stout piece btw!
Andy
Nice catch! There are RTV police out there that will jump through the screen and get you for that Andy! But a vacuum leak will hurt one worse than the lost hp. Glad you got to hit your numbers! Ready to see this thing screaming in person!
I need even more power to just keep up with your Barracuda... 😆 Or I need a serious diet plan..lol. I was shocked to see 16hp! Being honest
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage super worth it!
Brisk racing plugs, Vacuum pump, 13 in, correct oil level, carb tuning, spacers.. 20 plus hp!
A vacuum pump would be a good upgrade... Less oil in the pan could be worth 15hp alone!
Andy
little things can turn out to be not so little.
If it wasn't, 11 AM and I wasn't at work today I would be watching this now, I have to wait until lunch! Great day Andy get some sleep and rest, no heart attack for you!!!!!! 🥺
Thanks John!
Andy
too much oil in the pan? At 6000 rpm it drops from 52 psi down to 42 at 7000. I'd think he wouldn't keep making pulls and resolve the oiling issue.
Just excess windage
@@philipmazzuca2269 what do you do to elimate that? Bigger pan, crank scrapers, better windage tray, lower the oil level?
Past 6k RPM, the oil is getting whipped full of air. The air bubbles entrained in the oil is what causes the pressure drop.
@@Torquemonster440 I get that. The bottom line is the oil is still losing pressure and air, instead of oil is being fed to the bearings. If the rule is 10psi per 1000 rpm then it needs 70psi not 42. I see catastrophic failure in the future for a really long and expensive build.
@Made By Nobody Famous I'm thinking the same thing. There are acceleration forces acting on the oil in the vehicle that aren't present on the dyno.