The same man who cried workers rights and then took a big pay day at the Qatar World Cup and then laughed about it when presenting Have I Got News For You. He’s an absolute clown!
The PGMOL should be sued! These errors are not simply “honest” mistakes. They are negligent systemic issues coupled with total resistance to accountability.
Spot on. People think it’s all a big deliberate conspiracy. It’s not. It’s just so many astounding layers of pure incompetence and negligence that has created a complete monster.
It's corruption. I can't believe how brazen it is. Do they think fans are so stupid that we don't realise that with video replays they have no excuse for getting the obvious decisions correct, and that we won't deduce that they must be getting backhanders if they fail in this most simple task? It couldn't be more obvious that there is blatant corruption happening.
How can "honest" mistakes even be an excuse. One, maybe. Several, no! Disregarding intent altogether, those referees are then not competent enough to be in the PL and need instant removing.
It's obvious these pundits are controlled, as they are all singing the same tune. When you think of all the terrible decisions, aided by VAR, this season it beggars belief.
He's controlling the narrative. Say what you will about Bruno Fernandes, but the guy actually convinced people he wanted to get off the pitch against Liverpool.....and it was after his and his mates scathing comments people started scapegoating the man at Utd.
Listening to Jermaine Jenas telling me the Grealish handball wasn’t handball was the nail in the coffin for mainstream punditry for me. It was like listening to someone telling me black was white!!!
Does anyone really think the most wealthy league in the world wouldn't be vulnerable to straight up corruption? In any other line of work, a decision-maker would not be allowed to have a conflict of interest relationship with someone they're supposed to be regulating (i.e. Michael Oliver and the UAE)
Surely Man city owners paying premier league referees to work in the middle East is a conflict of interest and should be looked at! Even if it's not corrupt it doesn't look good. Especially considering Michael Olivers performances this season,
Exactly. You only have to see the thread which (needs to be updated after the Grealish incident) which listed the controversies the UAE league refs had been involved in.
LFC fan here, stand with Forest. Good to see another club make a statement rather than just accept it. Neville was on ‘LFC’s side’ after the Spurs debacle.. until we dared put out a statement so his reaction to this isn’t a shock. Football pundits are more worried about losing jobs and money, pathetic really. Fair play to Goldbridge for continuing to be an exception.
VAR is basically like legal match fixing. They've created a way to match fix technically legally. It's as if their trying to control the league in terms of keeping it close at all parts of the table, fighting for the title or europe or relegation battles to keep it exciting right until the last game so in turn more people watch more games. Viewing figures = money. I don't know but there's definitely something dodgy going on.
You're right on the money! Match fixing for artificial excitement is also the only reason i could think of. All these inconsistent decisions cannot be called accidental anymore.
Mark we as a community and fans need to get our voices heard over these crap journalists. The var and refereeing this weekend has been absolutely disgraceful. It needs to go
Look at the pair of the them carra and Neville absolutely slated the officials for the Diaz v spurs not even 24 hrs latter the changed there tune official pressure
As a Liverpool fan I want Everton to stay up but I am against corruption and forrest were robbed and for Gary and Jamie to say the refs are in not in the wrong or blameless that speaks volumes.
Can’t stand either of them. Both say anything to protect their jobs. It’s so clear that the PGMOL/Premier League have mentioned something to media - Sky in particular - to not highlight appalling refereeing. Probably under the guise of anti bullying or something. Last season and at the start of this season, the pundits all throughout the media - particularly Sky - were slamming the refereeing. Then suddenly they started changing their opinions from anger to apathy. Disgusting.
This is the issue. City and the top 6 were able to build their squads for years, then pull the rug up with FFP if anyone tries to invest in their own clubs
@@lordvadertheleftie9703 lets start from United and how they were spending as much as they want and breaking transfer records while everyone else couldn't 🤷🏻♂
Solution: 1) separate the referees from the VAR officials 2) SIGNIFICANTLY raise referee salaries. Tripling them would be a good start to attract more and higher quality individuals. 3) Add a second on field assistant referee for more perspectives 4) improve the turnaround on decisions to
Stuart Attwell awarded Reading the infamous ghost goal against, Watford. Who are Watfords rivals? Luton Town. And suddenly when Luton Town are in a relegation battle, 3 clear and obvious errors are blatantly ignored against their biggest relegation rivals. And I’m supposed to believe that it’s simply a coincidence and an accident? That’s twice (as far as I know) that Stuart has made a decision that benefits Luton or is at the very least against their rivals, and while that may not seem like a lot, for someone that is a Luton fan, it shows clear and obvious bias.
If youre telling me fully fledged international players cant see a 3-0 lead out without two 19 years olds?? Thats not a eth problem thats a player problem
52:45 To bolster Marks point even further, it's not like the relegation battle is close due to the quality of Luton, it's only really close because of point deductions. It probably wouldn't have even been that entertaining throughout the season if Forest and Everton weren't deducted points.
the coventry disallowed goal is not so cut and dry Mark.. the lines are clearly drawn wrong, when you zoom in you can clearly see the ''Defender line'' goes over Wanbisaka's foot, aka it's not actually at the tip of his foot and it's hard to see where his foot ends because of the lines, furthermore the image is not stopped when the ball leaves the passing players foot, it's stopped slightly before first contact, so he might or might not actually be offside, but one things is sure the image used is not evidence for either.
Mark and all the united stand panel have said it was offside but they would said that wouldn’t they! They have no idea by how much it was offside, how my millimetres, Mark Robbins said it was a toenail. If that was offside and not level then I give up on football
Talksport/Sky/PL/PGMOL as a collective, they have their overall agenda. Short of boycotting matches and ending subscriptions, there is nothing we can do about it.
There is so much money involved in the premier league that it's naive to think there isn't corruption in some form in the premier league. At the end of the day the premier league is a brand and is now all about the show rather than fairness and consistency.
Mark Liverpool fan here ur prob the best one of these football talk shows say it the way it is even if it's against ur own team a lot of other channels should take a leaf out of ur book mate
His authenticity goes out the window when it comes to City unfortunately..the conspiracy theories aren't consistent from the Liverpool fans anymore, they charge City but suddenly are bribed by them, Everton actually found guilty twice, suddenly they want to rig a game for them. The same Liverpool robbed Forest earlier this year but they're suddenly supporting them. People will genuinely listen more if everyone don't make it all about some top 6 rivalry with City obsession when all top 6 spend the most and get the most decisions
Consider the types of businesses and investors the clubs, the FA & the UK establishment in general are involved with & ask your questions with that in mind. Everyone ignoring the elephant in the living room.
Mark, I’m an Everton fan and even I am in total support of what Forest are doing. All the pundits are just sheep following Neville and Carragher (who are a disgrace). VAR should be called out, I too question their integrity. How could those pens against us but be given?
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There should actually be protests out side of the big games saying VAR OUUUUUTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! We should stand up for our game fight back against this dictatorship WHOS WITH ME!!
I can’t believe a thorough investigation was not conducted top To bottom after a pro ref came out saying he jeopardized decisions and ruined the integrity of the game to protect his mates. That says it all about the shambles of the referees we have.
Thoughts on going back on your comment a couple days ago with “be careful what you wish for” as Moyes has had a masterclass against palace, with a staggering 3-6-6 record in 2024 I think we have a higher ceiling than that with better recruitment and a new manager
Between pundits and pgmol I'm done, fans need to come.together, enough is enough, their gaslighted us into accepting atrocious or corrupt refereeing. Fans unite this isn't about 1 club, it's every club.
All fine the Prem League punishing Forest for their mistakes and deducting points, then Forest should be able to complain when it feels unjustly treated.
If the VAR would have forgotten to draw the lines for Coventry like they did in the Arsenal game.. literally no one would have complained. THAT would be an appropriate use of VAR 😂
In the United States, our leagues say that Replay has to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. So if a goal is scored on the field they need the replay to be so obviously offsides that it will be called offsides. If the offsides looks iffy in replay, they can’t take off a goal because they still have a reasonable doubt. In this instance, Manchester United would have lost their game in the FA Cup the other day
When ball tracking was brought into International Cricket, India did not trust the technology so any game involving them did not use it, this continued until they were convinced the tech worked. It's at the point where clubs need to be given the option to opt out of VARs use. Only use it at games where both teams agree to it.
I very much liked your solution to VAR Mark, no association and no familiarity stops this crap as they wont be looking to back their pals and instead just work together to get things right
VAR is not the problem any more than referring is a problem. The problem is the quality of the officiating and the people who adjudicate the events. If not for VAR we would not see these errors and they will get swept under the carpet, if anything, VAR is evidencing how poor our officials are. How many errors can you guys remember from the World Cup or the Champions League?
If you need to understand what's wrong, just look at the raw facts. Three terrible decisions go against Forest. Forest complain. Carragher and Neville, speaking for SKY and the punditry as a whole immediately the identify the problem as being that Forest complained. This must be stamped out they said, and they weren't talking about the nonsense way VAR is being appiled, they were talking about the clubs trying to defend themselves. I'm also reminded of last year when Andy Robertson got into trouble for (checks notes) being assaulted by the linesman...
The PGMOL care more about their PR than the very thing they're supposed to be officiating and protecting. If they put as much effort into improving their officiating as they do putting out their pathetic shows, the mistakes would disappear in an instant.
I think after the whole liverpool offside thing where carragher and neville jumped all over that mistake and were saying allsorts, they've been told to be on the other side of it or lose your job. Which is ridiculous
mark with the city point ur failing to point out that in the reverse city liverpool fixture at the etihad where it was clearly not a foul on alisson yet the goal was given city don’t beat liverpool i don’t think it’s fair to just accuse them of it when it’s clearly a league wide problem (just to clarify im not a city fan)
His authenticity goes out the window when it comes to City unfortunately..the conspiracy theories aren't consistent from the Liverpool fans anymore, they charge City but suddenly are bribed by them, Everton actually found guilty twice, suddenly they want to rig a game for them. The same Liverpool robbed Forest earlier this year but they're suddenly supporting them. People will genuinely listen more if everyone don't make it all about some top 6 rivalry with City obsession when all top 6 spend the most and get the most decisions
Paul Tierney and the VAR... why wasn't Max Kilman sent off for a reckless and violent potential leg-breaker on Kai Havertz? Answer: Wolves have suffered so much from dodgy decisions this season that they decided to even things up. Two wrongs don't make a right.
We as fans have a fundamental misunderstand of what VAR is intended to do. As fans we think it should drive consistency and accuracy but that is clearly not the case. It is solely there to protect the referees. I’ve read/listen many of the articles by experts that explain all the var decisions (mainly because they are laughably amusing) and in them they all clearly give away what is happening. The driving force of VAR is “clear and obvious error.” This is solely there to give PGMOL and VAR enough wiggle room to back the on field decision even if incorrect. Until the that provision is removed, nothing will change. And here’s a novel idea, have the referees explain their decisions post match. At least it will give accountability.
90% of fans are with forest, 98% of pundits are against them.
Spot on tbh. I’ve seen talksport, Sky, espn, all of the newspapers hammering Forest, but the fans are with them
VAR rules have become a joke, they changes every week looolol
‘Man of the people’ Gary Neville is really with the establishment.
Go figure ?probably because the PGMOL are in cahoots with the broadcasters.
@Drunken_Horse
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A lot of fans are getting over the tribalism and smelling the coffee
Who does Neville think he is telling a man he should quit his job?
The same man who would "never" endorse a managerial sacking apparently
@@jackbradshaw8992 I was looking for this comment. He is such a hypocrite, he even forgot some of the things he himself said.
The same man who cried workers rights and then took a big pay day at the Qatar World Cup and then laughed about it when presenting Have I Got News For You. He’s an absolute clown!
He’s trying to do clattenburg a favour by suggesting what is best for his reputation
An average champagne socialist looking to cancel people he disagrees with
Nowadays Neville and Carragher are just establishment gatekeepers.
Absolutely
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Because Mr Neville likes to feel important. Self-proclaimed status.
@@BambinoAmericanoI'd put Gary Neville in the category of a modern day Socrates. The man is very clever.
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The PGMOL should be sued! These errors are not simply “honest” mistakes. They are negligent systemic issues coupled with total resistance to accountability.
VAR rules have become a joke, they changes every week looolol
Dictatorship breeds corruption
Spot on. People think it’s all a big deliberate conspiracy. It’s not. It’s just so many astounding layers of pure incompetence and negligence that has created a complete monster.
It's corruption. I can't believe how brazen it is. Do they think fans are so stupid that we don't realise that with video replays they have no excuse for getting the obvious decisions correct, and that we won't deduce that they must be getting backhanders if they fail in this most simple task? It couldn't be more obvious that there is blatant corruption happening.
How can "honest" mistakes even be an excuse. One, maybe. Several, no! Disregarding intent altogether, those referees are then not competent enough to be in the PL and need instant removing.
Neville and Carra are a pair of flat out bedwetters.
Love it lol...Bed Wetters hahaha
This makes me feel a bit bad for the bed wetters out there 😂
😂😂😂
What z hell😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂what that means blood!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nah they’re still class, just because they have a horrendous opinion
Funny how Neville has never said Carragher should quit after spitting on kids and stealing their phones.
Absolutely spot on!
Correct, absolutely correct, he was and is a squeaking disgrace!
Soooo right!!!
He should’ve NEVER been allowed to return to Sky Sports after that disgusting incident 👎
Come on now. Carragher made a mistake that day and apologised. We all make mistakes. Can’t hold it over his head for the rest of his life.
It's obvious these pundits are controlled, as they are all singing the same tune. When you think of all the terrible decisions, aided by VAR, this season it beggars belief.
VAR rules have become a joke, they changes every week looolol handball and penalties are a joke these days!
to be fair my boss hates it when i dont say the approved things when speaking publicly and go off script.
We should protest against the PGMOL
Start a petition
Neville is ruining football in this country by having a platform to spew out utter bullshit week in week out.
I can't stand the guy mate.
He's controlling the narrative. Say what you will about Bruno Fernandes, but the guy actually convinced people he wanted to get off the pitch against Liverpool.....and it was after his and his mates scathing comments people started scapegoating the man at Utd.
I have said it before.he also believe goldbridge is toxic to Manchester United
He believes himself a genius
He's a puppet
I agree neville and carragher are becoming a joke.
Both are spineless
They are scared of being axed so they tow the corporate line.
They were great players but they have to be yes men as pundits otherwise one bit of hurting corporate’s feelings means they’re fired
Listening to Jermaine Jenas telling me the Grealish handball wasn’t handball was the nail in the coffin for mainstream punditry for me. It was like listening to someone telling me black was white!!!
Quite. He didn’t even say it should’ve been a corner!
You know that famous white artist stevie wonder don't you?
Except as the law is written, it wasn't a deliberate hand ball
Does anyone really think the most wealthy league in the world wouldn't be vulnerable to straight up corruption? In any other line of work, a decision-maker would not be allowed to have a conflict of interest relationship with someone they're supposed to be regulating (i.e. Michael Oliver and the UAE)
Apart from politics
Surely Man city owners paying premier league referees to work in the middle East is a conflict of interest and should be looked at! Even if it's not corrupt it doesn't look good. Especially considering Michael Olivers performances this season,
Typical victimpool conspiracy 😂
Yet they say the EPL is the best league in the world dumesticly including referees 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly. You only have to see the thread which (needs to be updated after the Grealish incident) which listed the controversies the UAE league refs had been involved in.
@craigmillington1258 Epl was the best league, now it's just as fixed as the Italian league used to be
@DavidRegaL-lw5xz take off your blinkers.
Neville should be removed from all public platforms
Cancel culture, lmao.
@@labbetuss consequence culture
@@labbetuss"damnatio memoriae" ... cancel culture has been around as long as human language. Without it, we'd still be living in huts with sticks.
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No. It's a bit fascist really. Don't do a Stalin and Adolf.
He's bin paid by the same people who runs the football
VAR out and Micheal Oliver out
Yet if you got rid of VAR, Forest would still have gotten no penalties! 🤷♂
It’s better to have honest ref mistakes then blatant VAR bullshit
Agreed totally Michael Oliver is Antony Taylor mk2
@@DarrenC83that wasn’t var issue. It was the ref and then the VAR not interfering.
@@user-eb7xb4xk6r Yes thank you I saw the match
LFC fan here, stand with Forest. Good to see another club make a statement rather than just accept it. Neville was on ‘LFC’s side’ after the Spurs debacle.. until we dared put out a statement so his reaction to this isn’t a shock. Football pundits are more worried about losing jobs and money, pathetic really. Fair play to Goldbridge for continuing to be an exception.
He was reacting to the clubs reaction, not the onfield decision.
Stop playing the victim
@SamS-uv2ql You couldn't have been more wrong there, mate. Stick to netball.
They were a disgrace. Simple as that. There is a sinister thing going on in English football.
It's corrupt.
@vibe7416 What a bad statement, if that were the case football In the 1900s and before would be chaos
As a Liverpool fan I don’t mind goldbridge one bit says it how it is better than any pundit about at the minute
It shows how respected Mark is when as a Liverpool fan, I'd rather listen to him than a Liverpool pundit on tv
Totally agree. And Im a Liverpool supporter sinc 1973 myself... Disgraceful
Sad that Neville and Carra sold out to the establishment. That sweet sweet money can change anyone
Sky and its pundits are an absolute joke
Carragher exposed his real self when he spat at people real low life thing to do for a man his age.
VAR is basically like legal match fixing. They've created a way to match fix technically legally. It's as if their trying to control the league in terms of keeping it close at all parts of the table, fighting for the title or europe or relegation battles to keep it exciting right until the last game so in turn more people watch more games. Viewing figures = money. I don't know but there's definitely something dodgy going on.
You're right on the money! Match fixing for artificial excitement is also the only reason i could think of. All these inconsistent decisions cannot be called accidental anymore.
I said this to a mate few days ago. Ya bang on mate.
The signs are very clear, you see match fixing in any other sport, it is very similar to the way football is now
Mark we as a community and fans need to get our voices heard over these crap journalists. The var and refereeing this weekend has been absolutely disgraceful. It needs to go
Cancel culture, well done
VAR rules have become a joke, they changes every week looolol
@@user-sn3no9gd5h😂😂
@@user-sn3no9gd5h if someone is inept then they need cancelling
Well done mark these frauds need exposing
VAR is ruined football this season. You can't enjoy a game anymore
Pundits like Carragher and Neville hate the ordinary football fan.
Fans don't pay their wages of sin.....
Just like the party they support hates the ordinary English folk.
Micheal oliver was 4th official at liverpool game v spurs listening to VAR saying they got it wrong...where is his seniorority there...
Why don’t pundits EVER criticize a bad call. Who are they scared of?
Scared of losing multi million contracts with sky and EPL mate. They wouldn’t leak a drop without getting approval.
Ain't that the truth
Facts on facts
coz they are working for a media company…..they’d get fired if they do something wrong……
Look at the pair of the them carra and Neville absolutely slated the officials for the Diaz v spurs not even 24 hrs latter the changed there tune official pressure
Neville is the same as Lineker and Aluko all three know they’re untouchable and therefore get away with talking absolute garbage every week.
As a Liverpool fan I want Everton to stay up but I am against corruption and forrest were robbed and for Gary and Jamie to say the refs are in not in the wrong or blameless that speaks volumes.
Shine a light on the PGMOL.
Can’t stand either of them. Both say anything to protect their jobs. It’s so clear that the PGMOL/Premier League have mentioned something to media - Sky in particular - to not highlight appalling refereeing. Probably under the guise of anti bullying or something.
Last season and at the start of this season, the pundits all throughout the media - particularly Sky - were slamming the refereeing. Then suddenly they started changing their opinions from anger to apathy. Disgusting.
Props to Saha for speaking up for fans on the coverage, he probably wont be invited back...
Bloody hell thanks to the notification I thought Neville actually came on the podcast
Why you here then 😂😂😂
Neville doesn't have any balls to speak to goldbridge on camera. He is a complete 🐓
Neville doesn’t have the spine
@@virupakshawalla5734 still watched cause love the podcast anyway
@@TheJWRB not sure about that. Neville confronted AFTV's panel back in the day
Var was brought in to stop all the mistakes but it has become worse
If VAR was actually used for 'clear and obvious errors' as intended that would be a start. Also let an AI run it to remove human subjectivity.
Rigged for a man city win for years
ohh enough you clown
Keep coping I fkn love it
This is the issue. City and the top 6 were able to build their squads for years, then pull the rug up with FFP if anyone tries to invest in their own clubs
@@lordvadertheleftie9703 what does that have to do with corrupt refs surely ur not that stupid
@@lordvadertheleftie9703 lets start from United and how they were spending as much as they want and breaking transfer records while everyone else couldn't 🤷🏻♂
Solution:
1) separate the referees from the VAR officials
2) SIGNIFICANTLY raise referee salaries. Tripling them would be a good start to attract more and higher quality individuals.
3) Add a second on field assistant referee for more perspectives
4) improve the turnaround on decisions to
Or they don't want to
I cant believe organisations like wolves, LFC, Forest etc... dont sue the lot of them. Whats the point of having a"competition" if it isnt?
You can’t sue a country though, the UAE funding peoples holidays hard.
Be hard to prove!!
Neville talks a lot about integrity but his went out the window once he decided to commentate on the WC in Qatar
Clubs have been getting stuffed 4 years with refs an now var shameful
Mark Goldbridge is the new Alan Partridge.
Stuart Attwell awarded Reading the infamous ghost goal against, Watford. Who are Watfords rivals? Luton Town. And suddenly when Luton Town are in a relegation battle, 3 clear and obvious errors are blatantly ignored against their biggest relegation rivals. And I’m supposed to believe that it’s simply a coincidence and an accident? That’s twice (as far as I know) that Stuart has made a decision that benefits Luton or is at the very least against their rivals, and while that may not seem like a lot, for someone that is a Luton fan, it shows clear and obvious bias.
Atwell was also on VAR for the Forest v Liverpool game where the ref gave Liverpool the ball when they should’ve returned it to Forest 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Except us Luton fans wanted a draw....
Why would you want a draw. Then your nearest rival gains another point.
Neville has got way above his station. He has an opinion on everything these days, and in his eyes he can never be wrong.
If youre telling me fully fledged international players cant see a 3-0 lead out without two 19 years olds?? Thats not a eth problem thats a player problem
@@metro3313 nothing to do with tactics in that instance
@@metro3313 how can someone be outclassed when they are already winning 3-0
@@metro3313ok, could you point out tactic that was used by eth and was countered by coventry coach?
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In game management (part of the ETH role) was shocking.
It’s never one or the other, it’s always both, to varying degrees. Stop trying to present it with no nuance
52:45 To bolster Marks point even further, it's not like the relegation battle is close due to the quality of Luton, it's only really close because of point deductions. It probably wouldn't have even been that entertaining throughout the season if Forest and Everton weren't deducted points.
THe way VAR is used is a joke! the rules changes every week.. nobody knows the rules anymore lol anarchy!
Not everyone mate. The money would never sway me. Some ppl are true to themselves and there moral compass.
the coventry disallowed goal is not so cut and dry Mark.. the lines are clearly drawn wrong, when you zoom in you can clearly see the ''Defender line'' goes over Wanbisaka's foot, aka it's not actually at the tip of his foot and it's hard to see where his foot ends because of the lines, furthermore the image is not stopped when the ball leaves the passing players foot, it's stopped slightly before first contact, so he might or might not actually be offside, but one things is sure the image used is not evidence for either.
Mark and all the united stand panel have said it was offside but they would said that wouldn’t they! They have no idea by how much it was offside, how my millimetres, Mark Robbins said it was a toenail. If that was offside and not level then I give up on football
Talksport/Sky/PL/PGMOL as a collective, they have their overall agenda. Short of boycotting matches and ending subscriptions, there is nothing we can do about it.
"PL" does not belong in that group. The PL is the member clubs, who vote on all changes. The PL does not want corruption.
What happens if they refuse to pay the fine? Can they say we're not paying it.... Take us to court and we'll have it out there!!!
There is so much money involved in the premier league that it's naive to think there isn't corruption in some form in the premier league. At the end of the day the premier league is a brand and is now all about the show rather than fairness and consistency.
Mark Liverpool fan here ur prob the best one of these football talk shows say it the way it is even if it's against ur own team a lot of other channels should take a leaf out of ur book mate
His authenticity goes out the window when it comes to City unfortunately..the conspiracy theories aren't consistent from the Liverpool fans anymore, they charge City but suddenly are bribed by them, Everton actually found guilty twice, suddenly they want to rig a game for them. The same Liverpool robbed Forest earlier this year but they're suddenly supporting them. People will genuinely listen more if everyone don't make it all about some top 6 rivalry with City obsession when all top 6 spend the most and get the most decisions
Consider the types of businesses and investors the clubs, the FA & the UK establishment in general are involved with & ask your questions with that in mind. Everyone ignoring the elephant in the living room.
Poor Pep and the amount of games they have had to play. Good thing they are out of the Champions League and can focus on the rest of their games.
Great, great show guys. I love that quiz format and questions, well done Niall. PGMOL in the bin!!!!
All the football pundits spew out the same tired old garbage as they want to protect their lucrative positions.
Football is beyond saving at this point. Too many corporations involved
Will "your the media now " 😂😂 Spot on.
Mark, I’m an Everton fan and even I am in total support of what Forest are doing. All the pundits are just sheep following Neville and Carragher (who are a disgrace). VAR should be called out, I too question their integrity. How could those pens against us but be given?
The only word to describe Carragher and Neville is spineless
Money for nothing
How many times as oliver give city a break 5 or 6 this season
Finally, the voice of reason! Give it to them Mark!
Well said guys, we need to have more of these difficult discussions surrounding corruption
Well said Mark. As a Villa fan we've had our fair share of poor decisions, before and after VAR. At least now the cheating is legitimised by video
Var is not the problem! if anything it has helped highlight the corruption that has gone on for years.
Mark your’e spot on. I support NFFC.
The city var comparison was spot on, that was a brilliant moment
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It can only be one of two things,corruption or incompetence both are unexeceptable .The good news is both can be corrected .
There should actually be protests out side of the big games saying VAR OUUUUUTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
We should stand up for our game fight back against this dictatorship WHOS WITH ME!!
Everyone should be. We need to stand up.
Why? Without VAR these penalties still wouldn't be given! The people in charge are the problem!
Love these podcasts. Great place to keep up to date with everything football but in a fun way. Keep it up lads
I can’t believe a thorough investigation was not conducted top
To bottom after a pro ref came out saying he jeopardized decisions and ruined the integrity of the game to protect his mates. That says it all about the shambles of the referees we have.
LET'S SAVE FOOTBALL! OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE
Thoughts on going back on your comment a couple days ago with “be careful what you wish for” as Moyes has had a masterclass against palace, with a staggering 3-6-6 record in 2024 I think we have a higher ceiling than that with better recruitment and a new manager
Fair play Mark fight the good fight
Between pundits and pgmol I'm done, fans need to come.together, enough is enough, their gaslighted us into accepting atrocious or corrupt refereeing. Fans unite this isn't about 1 club, it's every club.
Reference Rashford, the question should not be 'why is he so bad this season' its 'why is he getting picked based on his performances'.
Neville and Carragher probably have small pps
All fine the Prem League punishing Forest for their mistakes and deducting points, then Forest should be able to complain when it feels unjustly treated.
If the VAR would have forgotten to draw the lines for Coventry like they did in the Arsenal game.. literally no one would have complained. THAT would be an appropriate use of VAR 😂
99% are with Forest, Liverpool and anyone else bar 115 who don't get on the wrong end of this crap with VAR / PGMOL
All fans should gather and fight against these corruption
I agree about the media pile on….thought Forest were well within their rights to say what they said…they were ripped off for at least two penalties.
In the United States, our leagues say that Replay has to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. So if a goal is scored on the field they need the replay to be so obviously offsides that it will be called offsides. If the offsides looks iffy in replay, they can’t take off a goal because they still have a reasonable doubt. In this instance, Manchester United would have lost their game in the FA Cup the other day
boo shhhh
@@ShredAndPurr 😂
"Absolute Power corrupts, absolutely."
As RFK Jr put it: “nobody ever escaped tyranny by conforming”
When ball tracking was brought into International Cricket, India did not trust the technology so any game involving them did not use it, this continued until they were convinced the tech worked.
It's at the point where clubs need to be given the option to opt out of VARs use. Only use it at games where both teams agree to it.
Good idea
That’s the answer.
I really like this suggestion.
dumb
They love that VAR suppresses goal celebrations. Can't have the plebs getting too excited, we might get out of control.
Thank you mark for talking about what the mainstream won’t
I very much liked your solution to VAR Mark, no association and no familiarity stops this crap as they wont be looking to back their pals and instead just work together to get things right
VAR is not the problem any more than referring is a problem. The problem is the quality of the officiating and the people who adjudicate the events. If not for VAR we would not see these errors and they will get swept under the carpet, if anything, VAR is evidencing how poor our officials are. How many errors can you guys remember from the World Cup or the Champions League?
If you need to understand what's wrong, just look at the raw facts. Three terrible decisions go against Forest. Forest complain. Carragher and Neville, speaking for SKY and the punditry as a whole immediately the identify the problem as being that Forest complained. This must be stamped out they said, and they weren't talking about the nonsense way VAR is being appiled, they were talking about the clubs trying to defend themselves. I'm also reminded of last year when Andy Robertson got into trouble for (checks notes) being assaulted by the linesman...
The PGMOL care more about their PR than the very thing they're supposed to be officiating and protecting. If they put as much effort into improving their officiating as they do putting out their pathetic shows, the mistakes would disappear in an instant.
I think after the whole liverpool offside thing where carragher and neville jumped all over that mistake and were saying allsorts, they've been told to be on the other side of it or lose your job. Which is ridiculous
mark with the city point ur failing to point out that in the reverse city liverpool fixture at the etihad where it was clearly not a foul on alisson yet the goal was given city don’t beat liverpool i don’t think it’s fair to just accuse them of it when it’s clearly a league wide problem (just to clarify im not a city fan)
His authenticity goes out the window when it comes to City unfortunately..the conspiracy theories aren't consistent from the Liverpool fans anymore, they charge City but suddenly are bribed by them, Everton actually found guilty twice, suddenly they want to rig a game for them. The same Liverpool robbed Forest earlier this year but they're suddenly supporting them. People will genuinely listen more if everyone don't make it all about some top 6 rivalry with City obsession when all top 6 spend the most and get the most decisions
@@DavidRegaL-lw5xz exactly mark loses credibility for me when he talks about city
Paul Tierney and the VAR... why wasn't Max Kilman sent off for a reckless and violent potential leg-breaker on Kai Havertz? Answer: Wolves have suffered so much from dodgy decisions this season that they decided to even things up. Two wrongs don't make a right.
What about David Luiz assault on Raul Jimenez
Wish Villa had put out a statement like forest did in December after the Sheffield match
We as fans have a fundamental misunderstand of what VAR is intended to do. As fans we think it should drive consistency and accuracy but that is clearly not the case. It is solely there to protect the referees.
I’ve read/listen many of the articles by experts that explain all the var decisions (mainly because they are laughably amusing) and in them they all clearly give away what is happening. The driving force of VAR is “clear and obvious error.” This is solely there to give PGMOL and VAR enough wiggle room to back the on field decision even if incorrect. Until the that provision is removed, nothing will change. And here’s a novel idea, have the referees explain their decisions post match. At least it will give accountability.
We just need someone at Sky to leak the emails, Neville, Carragher etc got after the Spurs/Liverpool game, they have all been pro PGMOL since then
SKY & the PGMOL are in cahoots what do you expect