Fox vs Legend Harley-Davidson Bagger Suspension│Reviewed and Test Ridden
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- Suspension is becoming a more popular upgrade for Harley-Davidson Motorcycles. For performance or ride comfort, riders want to have the best. Matt Laidlaw and Andrew Asevo Demo two of the best sets of rear shocks in the after market world for Touring Chassis H-D's. Learn what to look for when choosing shocks that are best for your size, bike, and riding preferences.
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Great job explaining the stock suspension and reasons for it. I like that you are thorough with your explanations.
Really good video! Thank you! I switched to full length (13”) factory Harley-Davidson shocks on my 2017 Road Glide and just the extra travel alone has made a huge difference in ride quality.
great piece Matt and Andrew, thanks. I personally run WP shocks on my CVO Dyna and it made an enormous difference of the stock shocks.
I'm ridding Ohlins on my streetglide special 2019 with stage 3 on it , those suspensions are like a miracle to my ride, day/ night difference.
What kind of Ohlins? with piggyback?
Matt, can't that you enough for your videos....helped me buy my 2018 Street Glide Special and is helping me immensely to add to my bike as I make it my own. I live in Baltimore but appreciate the advice and am a big fan...
Thank you so much,this video is very useful to me. I plan on upgrading my suspension on my wife’s ‘17sporster 48 this winter. Keep up the great work,your video’s are always packed with useful information.
I'm at the point where I don't care how a shock or the bike look, I'm after riding. handling and suspension travel. Anymore when I hear it was slammed to the ground for the stance, all I hear is a bike that will never leave the county its registered in. And that's cool if that's the type of riding you want but for me, I want to cover states per day not bar to bar, Used to be that's what a bagger was for. Now, it is posing outside the winghut on bike night
Great video...... I bought the Legend Revo A’s about a year ago for my Ultra. Absolutey love the Legends! Thanks for the videos. I like your presentation style and speaking the truth.
I put the legends revo a and the axeo front on my 15 SG. Best money i spent on the bike so far! Great comparison video. Keep them coming. Thank you!
I love the Fox 13" IFP-R bagger shocks. Huge improvement. Fox also has a bagger fork spring kit for 2014+ that takes out the small bump chatter and helps a lot with brake dive and cornering. It's only $130 for the kit and takes about an hour to install. FYI, "dampening" is to make something wet, "damping" is what suspension has, that calms oscillations.
Matt, i really appreciate you "getting out there", riding, experimenting, reviewing the bikes, different roads & locations, & new equipment, and bringing us this content. It is helpful & enjoyable to watch. I check my subs list everyday, hoping to see a newly uploaded video from you, b/c i know it will be interesting & fun to watch. So, about "my" suspension: 2018 CVO SG! One thing I love about the suspension is the adjustable rear. Funny tho, I seem to prefer the plushness of the setting decreased to 0, over the stiff & tight "ride quality" set all the way to max preload. I am 6'2", ~250 pounds. I'm thinking about going BACK, to zero preload. One thing i HATE is how the FRONT slaps around at high speeds if I hit med to large dips in the road. I really could use a steering damper on the front, after 75mph. Waiting on a new offering from GPR for a 2018 CVO SG. They dont have one for this model yet. Any "other" suggestions? Thanks in advance. (Long Beach, CA)
Matt, I took your advice a year ago and spent the coin for Legend front and back. I’ve been really happy with this setup. BUT! I rode a new, stock RGS yesterday. Wow! I immediately noticed the difference! Thanks for the great videos and recommendations. I know now I can’t ride my RGS without the Legend upgrade.
I love the vid Matt, it's exactly what I needed to know. My suspension is stock which I now know is a necessary comprise and bone jarring at times lol. Was thinking Progressive until I saw these two brands. Can't wait till the live stream of the new models, I'll be eagerly looking for the notification pop up.
Matt. I have own a couple of HD this being my second SG. (SGS) and IMO the suspension on the SGS has been the best one thus far. No complaints on the stock suspension. Also I really dig the review on this post. Thank you.
Interesting stuff as usual Matt! Informative and clear as a whistle.
Keep em' coming sir!
I ordered a set of Legends RevoA after just watching this . I never had even thought about the suspension before. Crazy.
I traded in my 2013 Ultra Limited for a 2017 Ultra Limited last year and i thought the suspension on the new bike was a complete night and day difference compared to the crappy rear air shocks that were on the 2013. So far i am happy with the suspension on the 2017 and think it's damn near perfect for my style of riding.
I have 18 roadking special I needed even lower then the stalk low pro shocks it came with. Im only 5'5" & I ended up installing air ride, really helps me when backing and parking especially on uneven grownd flat footed. And when i take off its nice to be able to adjust up to a good comfortable ride hight. Grate video .
What air ride and how do you like it?
Love the bars on Andrew's bike ! You have one of the best looking white bikes I've seen ! GODBLESS , ride safe !
Thank you !
Just worked the graveyard shift and I’m finally home enjoying a beer watching one of my favorite TH-cam channels! Hey Matt...I’m in Spokane Valley ,Washington temporarily...are you familiar with lone Wolf Harley Davidson dealership?
I have a 2018 Street Glide CVO with front and rear JRI suspension. Rears are 13 inch single adjustable and front is their adjustable cartridge set up. I have 7k miles on the stock setup and this is a major upgrade and for those who have only upgraded the rears doing the fronts make a major difference. Rears are a 10min job and front was approx a 3 hr job but pretty straight forward.
This was perfect timing. Was trying to decide between the Legend's and the Ohlin's. Great vid. Thanks.
Thanks for the thoughts on front end, didn’t finish watching full video before made a comment.
Your thought on Harley coming out with a performance bike was spot on. ST 🤘🤘
I think I subscribed after you made this video, or else I just missed it. I love your Stormtrooper bike, Matt! “The stock shocks practically bounced me out of my seat”, I’ll be checking out these shocks, thank you for the video!
Thanks for another great review. I really appreciate your honest perspective. Keep the great content coming!
I have '17 SGS with stock suspension and considering going with Legend Revo-A. I ride solo 6'1" 205 so sounds like 13" is the way to go. Thanks again.
I have Fox on my YZ and i like them. Honestly never knew they made shocks that fit a harley. They say you learn something new everyday. Let's call it Early morning Tech class. ✌and God bless stay vigilant. And keep the rubber side down.👊🇺🇸🇺🇸👊
Gatekeepers 98 Yea I think they are relatively new to the HD world. It’s about time. They are on every other two wheel vehicle out there.
I have a 15 Street Glide Special and I’ve been running Ohlins HD159 on the rear and their FKC102 inserts in the front forks. I’ve loved every mile on them once I got the rebound dialed in. It’s a totally different bike from stock and if I ever got another bike changing the suspension would be right behind an exhaust and intake upgrade.
Thanks for the video. Here in Scottsdale AZ during bike week last April. I took a 2018 Street Glide Special over to Skully customs
. They were set up here for the event. For just about 800.00 they installed a life time warranty air ride system on mine and a friends bike as well. For another 900.00 they installed a MRI center stand. You could do the air ride with or without the center stand. The air ride
Gives you 5”s of travel adjustable on the fly. Now I will never go back to stock or even close to stock suspension. Just wanted to give a little feedback from Scottsdale AZ.
I put 13" racetech shocks on my 18 sgs, love the shocks. I am going to raise my forks 1" to level it out
I'm on a 2018 Road Glide standard, stock suspension and love it. I had a 2011 ultra limited with stock suspension and the 2018 feels like a sport bike compared to the 2011. I plan on upgrading the suspension next year though.
Matt, I have been harping on the same thing for a long time! Harley-Davidson needs to come out with a high performance street glide and road glide model, and that means suspension /handling. I was thinking they might look into chassis/suspension redesign to achieve a much more nimble sportier ride, At least for a touring machine! Who knows, even a mono shock design in a new lighter stiffer frame that saves some weight as well. Your vids are well appreciated my friend!
I think you’re right about the bagger movement leaning towards the performance aspect. After deciding to Stage kit my HO 103 in my 2015 Limited, I’m wanting better suspension and I’m seeing videos from Shawn Smoak and Adam Sandoval about this Legend Revo-A. I’m considering this upgrade. Thanks for the vid Matt. Ride safe.
Niiice! Enjoying your channel man, keep it up! From New Zealand
Thanks for watching from the other side of the globe!
Thanks for the video iv been researching shocks for a while this helps alot
I have a 2014 SGS. Installed 13 inch Heavy duty Fox shocks (HD matched 2up weight specs). Riding 2 up was great --- never could get the setup "great" for just myself.
Ended up putting the Pro-Action fork kit in my bike and was so impressed I purchased their 13 inch rear shocks to try in place of the Fox. WOW WOW is all I can say. Fox shocks are headed to ebay.
I purchased the Fox shocks based on this comparison video. I am very happy with the purchase. Thank you Mr. Laidlaw for providing me with useful information.
I’m glad they made the difference for you. Enjoy.
Really nice bike Matt. Love the headlight setup you got going.
I ride an 2019 Iron 883. A couple of months ago I swapped out my rear shocks to the Legend Revo’s (not the A with rebound but the standard shocks). Had I known what a difference it would make I would have done it much sooner. The ride is night and day better. I went with the 13” shock on Legend’s recommendation. It gives about a 1/2 “ more travel than the stock shocks once you preload the shock to the 1” recommended sag. Places where I was getting really beat up have smoothed out considerably now. Also as you mentioned in the video I have definitely noticed that the smaller imperfections in the road that used to give some jolts with the stock shocks aren’t even noticeable with these shocks. It just soaks up the small stuff so as to make them not seem to be there at all. An added benefit of the 13” shock is a noticeable increase in lean angle. I haven’t ridden the Fox shocks but I can whole heartedly recommend the Legends to any of you sporty riders looking to smooth out that ride.
This testimony was very helpful. Thanks for that. I got an Iron 883 2019 too which I am modifying at the moment. I’ll be putting the Revo Arc Piggyback 13” Standard (non-heavy load) on them. Based on your very positive testimony on the ‘entry level’ Legend shocks, I’m expecting to be riding like a King on the Revo Arc ones.
Man, ohlins 159 on back and ohlin fks 226 on front. You tube that!!!!! Thas what I'm ridn. Don't halfway do it do it one time and say efff it. If you notice nobody does comparison with ohlin. If they do, I haven't seen a legit one yet. TH-cam it.
So I’m building a solo seat beat/bobber out of a 2020 1200 stage 2. Looking at legends but didn’t want the huge gap on the rear wheel. How is yours with the thirteen?
My roadmaster comes stock with a fox racing shock and I am able to adjust the air pressure. It rides wonderful!
WTF is a Roadmaster?
Matt great info bro! As always informative.
I've got Legend cartridges and Revo A shocks on my '14 Road King. The bike simply feels much more planted and stable. My only complaint is that it's firmer than I would prefer (I'm 5'10" and 185 lbs.). I would be willing to try thinner fork oil and lighter springs out back.
I upgraded my 15 Ultra Limited which had the HD air shocks.... So for me that was a huge difference... I bought the Legend Revo A and loved them... Unfortunately I had one blow out after a month when I hit a big pothole... Legend was awesome and got me a new set right away and now its winter here in WI so not much riding happening here... But I am happy with the feel and with Legend as a company
Great video Matt. I am planning on an engine upgrade to a Stage III. I like the auxiliary lights on your bike. I plan to get auxiliary lights for my Street Glide. My bike is comfortable so I can imagine how much better it would ride with these shocks. I am currently running stock suspension.
Great video Matt ! I went with the Legends. They rock.
I have to add that I am still running factory stock on my 2017 SGS and they are fine BUT the roads in my area are FAR better than what I see on your videos. I do agree with Andrew that the stock seems to provide a better ride when riding 2 up or loaded down with luggage.
Nice video. Thanks for taking time an explain everything.
So I'm guessing the only difference is the compression damping between the two, with the Legend having a better compression damping as it handled the smaller bumps better. Both setups should've been recalibrated to the rider at the switch though. Obviously, a preload set incorrectly (which is what was the case after the switch) will result in a less comfortable and less confident ride. That's why Matt preferred the Fox, and Andrew the Legend shocks. They were dialled in to their respective weights.
I have a 2015 SG special that I have owned since brand new, I am 49 yrs old about 220lbs and I think the stock suspension is sub par. I have been looking into the Legend rear shocks. I will probably pull the trigger on some within the next couple of weeks. Thanks for the Video Matt
Awesome comparison video Matt!
Wish I seen this video yesterday for a comparison. Just put progressive 944’s in my 14 Streetglide last night
Thanks for the video! I've been researching rear shocks for my 17 SGS, which rides like a brick! I'm 5'9" @ 195. I have over 10K miles on my SGS and absolutely hate the ride quality - it's garbage! I have played with shock adjustments and small tire pressure changes with no luck. I still have the stock/thin seat, which also doesn't help. Don't misunderstand, I really like my bike! I have also installed an Ultra Limited front tire/wheel to get the thicker sidewall up front, which made a noticeable difference, but still not enough for a quality ride over-all.
However, after riding a completely stock 18 Ultra Limited for several hours, the difference/better ride quality was almost mind blowing as compared to my bike. I attribute this to the 13 inch shocks and thicker seat. And these are the OEM pieces!
I WILL be getting 13 inch shocks and a better seat. I just need to figure out which to buy.
Can you recommend a plush solo seat?
Which rear shock would you buy again from the two you reviewed here?
Thanks from Michigan!
Just installed a set of legend Revo A’s on my 2019 CVO Rd. glide, much better ride much better handling I like the fact that you can adjust The rebound if you have a passenger. I’m very happy with the product I’m looking forward to a long ride maybe to Sturgis this year.
Thanks, I've been looking for review from a CVO owner. 👍🏾
Great video as always Matt,very informative. Thank you.
Thanks for watching
Good video, I ride a 2017 Triumph bonneville bobber and am looking at putting an adjustable Fox shock on the rear. We also have terrible road surfaces here in New York State. Cheers mate!
Perfect timing. I was wanting to upgrade to the legend suspension.
Jim
Nailed it with the intro music bro!
To the people who always ask why does Harley have crappy stock suspension, well the answer is all Oem suspensions are crappy depending on how you ride, meaning if you really like spirited riding you’ll have to upgrade factory suspension on all touring bikes period. If you do the speed limit and not ride the hell out your bike the factory suspension will suffice. Just my .02
A great review Matt, I lean toward the Fox shocks. Thanks.
Loved the video comparison. Considering a Softail Slim next year and would like to see shock comparison for softails. Thanks Matt! Scott from NC.
Thanks Matt for this video. Unless you are the type of rider, who just rides short rides to lunch or beer hangout, this upgrade is necessary. I like that the Legend you can adjust without using the tool. Also good info about front suspension is best on 17 or newer. Good info to know for riders shopping for a used bike. Thanks!
AGreed, Thanks for the comment
T Sav sorry to hear that
Matt, ride a 2016 FLTRXS just upgraded front and rear this spring with Legend. Totally different ride and the added lead angle was a huge bonus. Have not dragged footboards since the change. Also loosing the front end dive was huge, actually took me a minute to get used to that.
I agree with you Matt about HD offering a model with some of the popular upgrades already installed as long as they don’t go crazy on the price!
I have a 2012 Street Glide CVO. My ride was rough over the road but didn’t think about it u til I test drove a 2018. Out Legend shocks on the front and then it rode like an 2018. Getting ready to finish the rears before summer. Worth every dollar spent.
I've got new ohlins 30mm cartridges up front and ohlins hd357 in the rear on a 2014 street glide special. Handles like a Ducati or BMW superior stability and handling at high speeds. Also upgraded to galfer 320mm brake rotors and brembo monoblock calipers in the front and upgraded rear rotor to galfer. Complete package!
I ride a 07 FXDB with 32k miles on stock suspension. I'm 325#. Front dives a lot and the rear doesn't take big bumps very well, can't tell ya how many times I've bottomed out this suspension to the point i could swear I've bent a wheel. I'm personally looking at upgrading to progressive 490 13 1/2 rear and 2" tube extensions with progressive heavy duty front springs, valve emulators & preload adjusters up front. I ride aggressive as well.
I’m looking at aftermarket rear shocks for my ‘19 FLTRU and can definitely confirm your statement about how the rear stock shocks ride so much better with two people on board versus solo. Even at 0 preload, my 195lb doesn’t compress the 13” stock shocks for any bit of sag at all. But once my beautiful wife hops on back, the bike rides like a dream and requires only a couple turns of preload to achieve perfection. Finding new shocks that achieve the same effect when I’m riding solo AND two-up will definitely get my attention and money 💰
I've been trying to find me a big lady to hop on back.
I think I’ll keep my fox shocks on my dirt bike and legends on my Harley! Jus sayn.
Nice review Matt! I had a set of Legend 13" Revo-As on my '15 SG and loved them. I'm now on an '18 CVO SG with the stock rear shocks ... are these the same shocks as other '18 baggers, or is the '18 CVO rear shock an upgraded unit?
So the fox site says 1yr warranty but legend lifetime. Just a year worries me. Great great video man. Extremely helpful in the details
I REALLY wanted to see more of the shocks working, and how much of the bumps the are absorbing.
I purchased a 2020 Road Glide. You're correct, I weigh 175 and even with preload all the way down the ride is way to stiff. Looking at Legends for next year. My back is taking a beating. The stock shocks keep the bike at ride height, but that is all they seem to do. I can't see any change adjusting the preload - it doesn't seem to do much. Thank you for the review.
Great video Matt !
2009 FLHTCU running Fox Revo on the rear. I love them. It's totally worth it.
great thanks Mat . i did find the front makes a big improvment over stock handling and control ,nose dive when braking smother ride . cheers
I put Progressive 490 shocks on my 2017 FXDB and I love these things! Much much better than stock
Those are nice shocks for the Dyna
Great timing for your suspension video .!!! Due to my getting past 70 yrs but still doing interstate road trips several times a year I recently traded my H-D Street Glide in on a 2018H-D TriGlide (FLHTCUTG)... After a short break in period I really do love the Triglide . I hear other trikers all talk about improving the suspension...... I am 200 lbs and ride solo almost all of the time so I have not experienced any problems with the factory suspension ..... HOWEVER .... I am all about making my ride more comfortable for long rides ..... Do you have any recommendations for TRIGLIDE ......THX MATT !!!
Put the Legend Revo-A and the Axeo front on my ‘16 FLHTK about a year ago. Night and day difference! Feels like whole different bike. Highly recommend...
How difficult was it to set sag/setup on the forks?
Great Vids Matt!!! My 07 SG had aftermarket air ride.. and I really didn't care for it, but it gave the bike a great look. Traded for an 18 RGS, and love it. Cant get over how good the stock shocks feel compared to my 07. Am considering the Legend.. did you need to adjust the headlight to compensate for the rear being lifted. The bike looks more level now... Not a huge fan of that but the ride makes it worth the sacrifice Im sure.. keep up the Great work!!!
Matt, great video. I am coming off a ultra limited to a 19 road glide special and definitely will be upgrading rear shocks. Did you have to adjust headlights or make any other changes for the additional inch in the rear?
Yeah I would have agree about hitting small bumps or like rail road crossings, the stock spring makes you leave about an inch off the seat. Now to put this on my dream list of parts.
Matt, you gave a height of 5’10” and up for the 13” Legend shocks. I’m glad I stayed around till the end of the video for your explanation of Harleys methodology for their Street/Road Glide models. At
Love seeing these comparisons. If I may add one suggestion... Would have been better if you tried to set each to the same setting, or a least as close as possible to get a better comparison.
Also I'm starting to see aftermarket for the new Softtail. That would be an interesting review as well.
Love your videos Matt! I'm looking at putting the Fox shocks on the rear of my 2018 RGS. Most of my riding is 2-up and combined weight is around 450 lbs. Should I consider the heavy duty line?
I installed 13" Legend REVO-A this weekend on my 2020 RGS, and I have a nice saddlemen seat. New rear shocks should be the first upgrade on a new Harley.
Did you do the front forks too?
Or does rear only do the trick?
Nice job on the review Matt. BTW, how are those brass grips holding up? I've been considering those for my '09 Low Rider.
Watching this now and thinking Harley defiantly listened to this video at around 17:00 min in when you start talking about what is pretty much the 2022 road/street glide ST.
Great video. Very informative thank you
I put Legend Axeo's on the front late last summer....unbelievable difference, wish that had been my first upgrade to my 2018FLTRU...put a set of Revo's on the rerar can't wait to try them out when the snow goes.
Thanks for the review, one of the best on the innerweb! I will be going with Legends. I am taking it that warranty is no issue but I will double check on that. I do hear though changing the stance will require belt adjustment. Great vid!
set properly the fist inch is sag and the shock will compress no need for belt adjustment if it was in spec to begin with
I just got the Legend 13" heavy duty vs the standard Revo-A. I test rode the standard but decided because Australian roads leave a lot to be desired that the heavy was for me. No regrets but I can see and feel that the standards would be more plush for most roads and solo riding.
Thanks Matt, I’ve been thinking of upgrading the shocks on my 18 FLHXS for a while now. Two inches of travel means there is no sag. I’m either bottoming out or sitting on top of the spring. Good to know that either of these are good choices.
Unrelated, how tall are the bars on the bike that retained the stock mirrors? Thanks, Roy
For sure, don't get heavy version Legend unless you are a 300lb and ride with passenger with tour pak, I had heavy duty Legend Revo and couldn't get the sag adjustment to work for me. Got it sent back to Legend and they swapped out with softer springs. I am still trying to get them to adjust for my weight (225lb) and getting the best suspension ride. Weather is a bit cold so I will wait until warmer day then try do the final adjustment....can't wait!
I recommend the legend front suspension, it really settled my Road Glide down and improved the tracking.
Also in changing the shock length, did you adjust the belt alignment? I’m going off Shawn Smoak’s video
Shawn Smoak had just pit 13" Legend shocks on his SGS, he's very pleased with them 👍😎
I like Shawn's stuff. He seems like a very knowledgeable guy
Matt Laidlaw you're right & an excellent man with the spanners. All his bikes are immaculate, looks after his stuff, I am totally OCD with mine, took me yrs to get my first Harley so I look after it. Those shocks look the biz ay Matt, when are you thinking of doing the Stage 1V on yours 👍😎
Just ordered Revo-A's for my '18 Street Glide based on Shawn's video, my ass can hardly wait
Very informative Matt. I normally don’t learn things from people who’s trying too hard and calling themselves PRO, but you are relaxed and very thoughtful to your mods… Reminds me of myself.
So at first I bought the legends because it was advertised more and found them first. But after comparing to the Fox after watching your video and many others I think the legend is a rough draft of the FOX. Specially after seeing that FOX includes an owner manual while the legend just showed you videos how to. Then it’s the packaging, FOX wins again. Last is the fact that you don’t need 2 people to calibrate the Fox as there are weights sags instruction on the manual. The legend, you need manpower grip and it’s a 2 people job finding the best 1 inch sag which just throws me off as something that’s street style and not clear.
Legend is like the street style on doing business. You never know what you are getting until you get something good and you have to expect the unexpected even though many reviewers are praising they are good including you. But FOX sets the high standard that they are the best. Specially FOX does participate in high speed racing Motorsports and advertising their brand everywhere in gears, clothings now Motorcycle Shocks… imagine these guys are already on top as in quality wise and they have been on top with everything else.
So I canceled the Legends suspension from Amazon and bought the FOX from Revzilla. I think with just your videos I’ve made the right choice. There wouldn’t be a wrong choice comparing from stock but between Fox and Legend, I want to be with the guys that’s been in business for longer and the guys that started it all. Kinda like comparing Indian vs Harley. The refined finish and the amount of customization you can do on Harleys and the popularity and the community Harley has built cannot be compared to Indian or any other models. I mean if you want to enjoy your ride and be part of a trend, Harley is the way to go. And same as the shocks. Rather chose FOX.
Great video. The best and only of its kind!
Thank you
Just seeing this video now. Dude, you totally called the ST!
Thanks for the review, very helpful. Do you have any thoughts on legend fork suspension. I recently saw that Adam Sandoval changed both front and rear with legend suspension.
Thank y’all for the comparison