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- What's the difference between a prepared spellcaster and a spontaneous spellcaster?
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I like the comparison of spontaneous spellcasters to using Mana in video games.
The way I've come to explain it is that spell slots are bullets, and spellcasters need to choose what each bullet does. Spontaneous choose in the moment, while prepared choose at the start of the day.
Now if I can find a way to put spells into bullets, I can fuck up this analogy by making a gunslinger who shoots spells.
MAGUS-GUNSLINGER, MAGUS-GUNSLINGER, MAGUS-GUNSLINGER, MAGUS-GUNSLINGER, MAGUS-GUNSLINGER,
Tragically you can't do aoe fireballs with it, but if you want to hit one specific guy with fireball, Page 560 of the core. Spellstrike Ammunition.
MAGUS-GUNSLINGER
Unexpected Outlaw Star reference?
Caster Gun?
Caster Gun.
"Whatever the hell you feel like"
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Also, one big difference is that sorcerers in 2e can take any tradition as their own, as it depends on their bloodline. As such, a sorcerer may be closer to a bard or to a cleric than a wizard in 2e.
Prepared casters really shine when they know what to expect in a day! Can't wait to kill a dragon, but have no bag of holding to carry all the loot, only to make use of the niche Ant Haul spell!
Completely agreed! It's tough if every day is completely random and different, and you'll often get caught with your pants down (my wizard once prepared only fire spells and we ended up fighting devils) but that's part of the fun of it for me!
If wizards only had a thesis where they could take 10 min to substitute a spell for something utility like ant haul...
@@laki7480 I consider that cheating. >:( Jokes aside, that's exactly my point, you can change spells much quicker than a spontaneous caster can and thus can afford to prepare situational ones. Though that's not going into scrolls, wands, and staves which everyone gets...
@@jakecassar6554 I was kinda joking too, druids and other thesis will still have some of that issue. I feel that staves do a good job to easy the sturdiness and hope secrets of magic will add alot.
And if you don't know exactly what you are doing, you can't be counted on at all. This version of prepared casting is practically useless unless you have an agenda for the day.
I think you can have more spells in your repertoire than you have spell slots:
'Though you gain them at the same rate, your spell slots and the spells in your spell repertoire are separate, if a feat or other ability adds a spell to your spell repertoire, it wouldn't give you another spell slot, and vice versa.'
But can I spontaneously cast magic missile into the darkness?
ACTTUUUALLLLY no because you aren't specifying a target so it can't auto hit, but fireball on the other hand.
and yes I do get the reference.
@@Brass_Heathen Heh. I don't. 🙂
Only if I can have a Mountain Dew
You'd be better off sending some sort of skill-shot type attack
Should have mentioned that spontaneous spell casters have class feats that increase their repertoire. The Sorcerer can get one that fully grants an additional spell known of every slot level.
Further more, it's important to emphasize that signature spells go down as well as up. A Sorcerer who makes a 4th level invisibility spell a signature spell can also cast it at 2nd level.
Overall great video overall but i want to mention some points where you are a bit unclear
About 3:48 : You mention that the number of spells in that repertoir may never exceed your spell slots. This is actually wrong. A bard for example starts with more spells in ther repertoir than they have spell slots. This happens because the muse gives them one extra spell to their repertoir.
"Though you gain them at the same rate, your spell slots and the spells in your spell repertoire are separate. If a feat or other ability adds a spell to your spell repertoire, it wouldn't give you another spell slot, and vice versa."
Then at 5:00 : You make it sound like spontaneous casters can learn spells and then directly change them with a spell in their repertoir but this is wrong. It works more like they gain access to this spell after they learned them and are now able to add them to their repertoir after a level up. This is only worth if you are trying to learn a uncommon or rarer spell because at a level up you can learn every common spell on your list anyway.
"...if you have a spell repertoire, you can select it when you add or swap spells."
And for the end: I think you should have mentioned that you can "downcast" your signature spells if you have learned them at a higher level.
Keep up the work. It is always nice to see content for this small but engaging community :D
Thank you, it did help a lot. Even though I come from Pathfinder 1e, this video's clear explanations helped to clarify how spellcasting works in 2e, which made seeing the differences easier. (Especially for things like the Heighten spell rules, Spell Repertoire replacement spells, and Signature Spells).
I'm glad I was able to help! It really overwhelmed me and my group when we first started, so I'm glad to hear it's clearing it up!
I've played 5e for a long time, for me is really refreshing the new way of preparing spells
It's really different, for sure, and gives a bigger difference between spellcasters!
i liked 5e better.
it gave you a bit more flexibility as a wizard.
@@sabin97 yep as house/optional rule I wouldn't mind the ability to choose which type of preparation (p2 or dnd5) I'm gonna for my character when I make it
@@sabin97 @Stefano Manno The problem is it made Prepared spellcasting clearly better. This way actually differentiates between them and gives them situations where they both shine. Though, they are coming out with variant casting methods in Secrets of Magic, so maybe one of those will tickle your fancy!
@@jakecassar6554
"clearly better"?
that's a weird, extremely subjective description.
it made it LESS FLEXIBLE.
if you think less flexible is better, it made it better. if you think less flexible is worse, it made it worse.
"This way actually differentiates between them"
they were already differentiated.
a spontaneous caster can cast any spell they know for which they have a spell slot available.
a prepared caster in 5e prepares a very limited amount of spells from their vast collection. and can cast any of their PREPARED(a very limited amount) spells from the slots they have available. i.e. you prepare spells, not slots.
in p2e you tie each slot to a spell, and you dont have the flexibility of suppressing one spell in order to cast another prepared spell of the same level.
you prepare the slots, not the spells.
that brings less flexibility.
apparently you think less flexibility is better.....i think more flexibility is better, and thus i like the way 5e deals with prepared casters better than the way p2e does.
Prepared caster: spell slots are once-per-day powers that you assign spells to at the start of the day. Spontaneous caster: spell slots are points used to cast spells.
man I have been playing TTRPG's since the 90's and I don't think this has ever been explained to me so well. Good job!
Brotha, thank you for doing these videos and a detailed explanation!
This is actually the very same question I asked myself about a week ago. Good timing, it seems!
Great video! Glad to have resources I can recommend to newbies to the system without having to explain it all myself
SOOOOOO helpful, thanks Nonat!
This video made things a lot clearer, thanks Nonat!
I prefer spontaneous casting because then I only have to agonize over what spells to pick once per level instead of every day.
@@clockw0rk843 So true !
Excellent explanation. Love videos like this.
Excellent explanation. I am just about to play Pathfinder and they way you explained it has completely answered any questions I may have asked. Thanks.
You make amazing videos. I'm currently trying to learn pathfinder and so far you make it sound really good :)
This video was so helpful, much like all of your other content, Nonat. You're awesome. You're helpful. You're a gem. a Heightened Gem. :]
Nice job!
Wizards = Big Kid’s Table
Sorcerers = Little Kids. With Lots of ammunition.
Thanks, it was very clear!
Nice concise descriptions.
Thanks Nonats learned a lot for whenever I play my first game
Yup super helpful!
I think of prepared spell slots now as bullets in a cartridge. You get different cartridges and you prep what kind of bullet in it.
Spontaneous, I realized that’s the basis of how FF1 and FF3 did it. Except you can change spells out a lil more easily.
I play a Halfling storm Druid who took a tempest Oracle dedication.
So I get to be a prepared caster with some spontaneous slots.
I also get to cast tempest touch and tempest surge in the same turn, which is pretty awesome.
big help running my first campaign in 2e on foundry with 2 spell casters in the party huge help in just understanding the magic in general
Wow. I've been playing casters way wrong. Thank you for really breaking this down
Great explanation of the difference for those of us just learning about spells in PF2e.
Heightening explanation was Great
Great video!!!
Nice summary, appreciate it
Great explanation!
Im trying to start a pathfinder 2e group at my local library so this video was really helpful and makes it easier to explain to my future players since i will be the dm
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You helped me out.
A prepared spellcaster's best friends are scrolls. At the cost of resources and time, classes like Wizards and Clerics can make a scroll of a spell they are not preparing in their spell slot, thus having access to it at any time.
Many people quickly dismiss this point because they don't want to spend gold and time preparing these things for the long haul. That, to me, is very saddening because prepared casters can be the OP class over an extended amount of time. They can eventually have their entire spellbook of spells ready to cast at any time, some ready to cast more than once. Long open-road journey and people are already scouting? Make a scroll. Found some downtime and don't really think you can make significant money with Lore skills? Make a scroll or two. Found a scroll you can use and already have it available to prepare? KEEP IT. You know these spells! make sure you can cast them at any time!
In pf1e maybe. In 2e it's expensive and takes days of downtime you could use to make a wand instead.
Very helpful
Very helpful. Explained it better then I did to my players.
Really helpful thanks. Been playing a Sorceror all wrong. No longer.
Thank Tiamat i found this video. I'm playing an Imperial Sorcerer and let me tell you how confused i was with Arcane Evolution. Thank you for the video!
Bingeing your vids due to the OGL they really help
Yes, this video is helpful to me and your players.
I was just about to ask you about signature spells
Make sure to send this video to Bob so he understands too.
One thing left out is that each prepare staves differently too. Personally I prefer spontaneous despite knowing less spells because, as I see it, they have access to all of their spells. Prepared know more spells, but can’t use them all.
Hey Nonat, solid idea for a video and I think the mechanics were generally well explained.
I think there's only three parts that might have been nice to cover.
1) Spellbook and Material Components pouch, vs spontaneous, component free casting. Obviously that's wizards only, but any prepared caster has some kind of gimmick whether that's a book or a familiar or a religious symbol. Plus there's the actual hour of prep required compared to the sorcerer that can fling fireballs from his sleeping bag the second he wakes up.
2) Spell selection. You mention how wizards have a wide variety of spells while the sorcerer is limited, but I think what that tends to mean in game terms was missed. A Wizard might learn the spell Air Bubble as it's a handy trick, and never regret the choice even if they only use it for two encounters between level 1 and level 20 - and that spell might make the encounters extremely easy.
If a sorcerer took that spell, they're likely to regret it unless they're in an aquatic campaign and absolutely need it every day.
There are some spells that spontaneous casters will almost never take as they're simply too circumstantial.
3) The flavor. Throwing frost rays from your fingers as an elemental bloodline makes sense, but it can be difficult to visualize how prepared magic works. I believe the understanding is that as a prepared caster, you would study and practice the spell Ray of Frost until the arcane symbols, gestures and words for the spell are locked in your mind, ready to cast. It's like you've cast 99% of the spell, with just one last word or movement remaining to finish it - and there it sits, an animal in a cage, waiting to be released. In a combat you concentrate to force that spell to the front of your mind, and with but a word you unlock the case and unleash the spell upon your target.
I think that feeling of prepared magic really helps new players understand how prepared spells work. As you level up your intelligence grows and so you can memorize more spells, and prepare them much faster. This might give players a deeper understanding and greater respect for a prepared caster and hey, they may even choose to play one!
Thanks for the video!
Love the video, thanks Nonat. Personally this is one of the things that turned me off D&D and onto Pathfinder when 5e made spellcasters much more generic and took away much of the impactful decision making. Probably an unpopular opinion though I'm sure.
I feel the same!
Feel the same!
I feel like dancing, so I'm going to dance the night away
Good vid! I'd kinda been wondering how spontaneous casters wouldn't just strictly be better than prepared ones, after hearing the most basic version('prepared casters prepare each slot with a spell in the morning, while spontaneous cast any of their known spells'). Spontaneous casters still seem like they might be more powerful, but it does seem like it's probably pretty well balanced
Wizards really shine once they have a familiar and a staff or through crafting
Prepared casters are not playable, if you want to play a sidekick (since thats ALL the system let spellcasters be) go whit spontaneus, at least you can have some fun.
@@gabrieldossantossanta5656 why am I not seeing a single indication that they're underpowered anywhere, then? Lmao
Goblins again
I've got a solid idea of how this works, but I've gotta view for the algorithm
You said leave a comment about anything we want. Here goes. "I like vegemite on buttered toast, have you tried it?"
As a DM I always love prepared spellcasters, since they can actually take those support or situational spells and make a use out of them.
Sadly my players are full of "full damage" people and the prepared spellcasters still only takes 3 fireballs
Spontanious casters can also do this, they just use wands and Scrolls for the situational spells ^^
@@natanoj16 Oh yeah that is true. I should utilize those more.
If a prepared spellcaster only ever preps 3 of the same spell, they are strictly worse than a spontaneous caster...
Yes, and if your prepared caster cleric preps a situational spell and can’t use it, that spell slot is wasted. Kinda depressing when that happens.
I know I'm watching 2 years late but as mew player thanks for explaining this better than most people on the platform
I feel like alot of people are jumping ship from DnD and PF2e seems to be a common choice for those hopping to a new TTRPG. As someone who can't stand to read a rule book, thank you for these videos. It took me many times being told how this works and this video to really cement this difference in games! Doing MVP work over here.
Been watching some PF2e stuff with all the recent OGL drama over in D&D land.
Gotta say, i did not miss the way prepared casting worked in past D&D, and how it works here in PF2e. I think 5e spell slots are a lot cleaner, and this is probably the biggest hang up i have with trying PF2. When i was younger and played 2nd and 3.5, i just never played a caster because of how offputting this is.
I agree the spellcasting sortta puts me off wanting to play a caster in 2e much prefer how 5e does it but will have to try it to see how it actually goes
You can just be a spontaneous caster right?
@Eyeli not really, in 5e, i can use slots to upcast spells, fireball for instance, to increase the damage. In PF2, to do that, id have to spend another of my known spells to "learn" level 4 fireball, along with or instead of normal level 3 fireball. Same for 5th, 6th, etc. Just seems like a silly concept.
@@TheJurzerker Or make it on of your signature spells
@@eyeli160 thats hardly a replacement to being able to upcast any spell you know to any level you want.
Just doin my duty, feeding the algorithm
Nice sellout, thank you for the explanation :)
Keep in mind that you won't get a feature to heighten certain spells till you have spells slot to heighten them to.
I like to compare the two options like they're weapons, since that's what everything in RPGs is used as.
I'd compare a Spontaneous caster as using their slots as ammunition. Their spells are like a bunch of guns while their slots are ammo, and there's the caveat that they need to have a higher level version of their spell to cast it with a higher level slot, the same way you need an appropriately sized gun if you want a higher caliber and can't put a .50cal bullet into a 9mm pistol.
Prepared casters? I'd compare their spell slots as a big box of grenades. They choose which bombs they wanna bring with them and need to plan ahead, not being able to switch on the fly what spells they want, just like you can't bring a bunch of frag grenades with you and expect one of them to suddenly turn into a flashbang.
And before you ask: no, I'm not from the U.S 🤣
FINALLY! I CAN UNDERSTAND THE BLOODY CASTERS!
Came here because determined to play a psychic (swashbuckler is the only other class I've played in pathfinder 2e) so going over all info I can.
You could almost imagine prepared casters as creating a bunch of scrolls only they can use at the start of each day
Hurray for five second selling out!
I did not know that Sorcs could use scrolls to change their repertoire at all.
Yeah that is the main method they can use to get uncommon or rare spells.
Just for algorithms sake, I wish prepared casters got @ level 3 a signature prepared spell where they can replace any prepped slot for that signature spell (that could be limited or not, like heal/harm for clerics to get even more of those similar to spontanous healing in pf1). I don't think it would be overpowered to have a failsafe spell like magic missile and burn your lvl 9 spell because you need a burst and your other lvl9 spells won't work on whatever boss you are facing. And I mean as a class feature for all prepped casters
Whatever the heck you feel like
My answer to a new player is "Play a martial first."
Man... I've been pretty hyped on Pathfinder 2e so far watching your intro videos, but this might be a deal breaker for me. I can't stand the Vancian magic system from previous editions of D&D. I much prefer the way spell slots are handled in D&D 5e where your number of prepared spells and spell slots are separate and you don't have to prepare multiple copies of the same spell for the day. Is this a common complaint? Is this a common element to homebrew?
Thsts why my favorite caster is the alchemist, its both
I've always hated the old DnD style of prepared spellcasters, so I would always use spontaneous casters. It makes me sad that the Eldritch scion didn't make a return for 2e, though magus has so few spell slots that it probably doesn't matter much. I do kind of like the system DnD 5e uses for prepared spellcasters, but it makes them so much more flexible than they used to be that I'm not sure if spontaneous casters really got enough in return.
nice on
I'm getting back into Pathfinder 2e after only dipping my toes in back when it was playtest.
Prepared spellcasting has always been a grievance of mine in TTRPGs. I personally don't like it. I don't need convincing, I've played it for years and it's not for me. And that's okay.
Luckily, Pathfinder 2e is amazing and has ways for spellcasting to make me personally happy. Like the spontaneous casters, and now the flexible spellcasting archetype.
So, while I still despise Vancian Magic, I'm glad that others enjoy it and can have it in the game while still allowing folks like me to flip it the bird whenever I play.
*feeds the machine*
I like the fact that they did not keep the difference of spells level scaling from pathfinder 1e. Now wizard and sorcerer seems like they get same level spells at the same progression!
I mean, the reason you don't get Signature Spells until level 3 is it's a worthless ability before then since you don't have slots other than 1st and cantrips. The way I've heard the difference put from the days of 3.5 is: Wizards have the most flexibility at the start of the day, Sorcerers have the most flexibility going from the 2nd round of combat to the 3rd.
What ever the heck you feel like
I am hoping for Shadow mage soon. It came to 3.5 late in the game and needs more love I think.
I've been playing Pathfinder 2e for a good two years so far and I just can't wrap my head around how I'm supposed to prepare spells as a prepared spellcaster. I'm not sure if it's best to take different spells over different ones, or when it's best to heighten them. Is there a general idea when preparing spells as a wizard? It's got me very confused having to think 10 steps ahead so much.
All you have to do is know the future, right?
@@Pancakeli If only divination spells existed in real life
I was told to comment anything so .... PANCAKES!
whatever the heck you feel like.
whatever the heck you feel like
this learned at heightened level thing threw me off when i was making my bard the other day. so "known casters" like bard have to learn spells at different levels to have the improved form, only cantrips heighten automatically?
Or. You can be both. >:-)
If you're an arcane sorcerer with the Arcane Evolution feat, and a wizard dedication, you'll have a whole spellbook to use for your wizard slots, and be able to choose one spell per day to add to your sorcerer repertoire.
You said that spontaneous casters have a limited repertoire size. If so, how does the Learn a Spell skill work for spontaneous casters?
How It's Played said that Learn a Spell would add the spell to "available" spells that could be used the next time the spontaneous caster levels up, or retrains.
This is how it used to be in D&D.. after 5e it would be hard to go "backwards". I really like the flexible spellcasting, instead of having spell slots always getting wasted because you picked the "wrong" spells that morning
when I play a spellcaster I usually pick sorcerer
Whatever the heck I feel like.
Spontaneous sucks on staffs too :( ... I hope Secrets of Magic will buff them.
Not really, it simply "adds" repetoire, where prepared casters burn slots for some flexibility. They are balanced to each other even if it feels better for prepared casters, they give the same ammount of spellcasting
I've always found that one of the hardest things about explaining this to new players is that people always use the Wizard as the prepared caster example. But he's probably the worst one to use, because there's no satisfying explanation for the process of wizard spell preparation that overlaps the games mechanics. What in-game is the wizard DOING when they prepare spells? We hand-wave this question. There's no good answer. But if you use cleric as your example it's a lot easier to explain. They are getting their magic from a god. So they literally have to ask for every individual spell they want that day. And the god grants them. If the player wants to play a wizard, explain in terms of cleric first. The mechanics will make way more sense. Then just explain that with wizard, they are asking their spellbook for spells in the same way a cleric asks a god. No it doesn't make sense. But that's how it works.
I always look at wizard like this. They get their magic primarily from studying compared to sorcerer's who are naturally magic. So in terms of preparing spells they are studying specific spells at the start of every day and sort of queuing them up to cast later on in the day. So while they know all their spells in their spell books they aren't actually ready to cast them until they study them and well prepare them. That's why as they level up they're able to understand and study more spells or make previous ones even stronger
Basically the way wizards prepare spells is by studying the ones they're going to use
That said I never thought of clerics preparing their spells by individually asking their gods for them and honestly that's super clever
@@lilwartank1 That's the classic memorization concept that I believe 3.5 used. Pretty sure they called it memorizing your spells for the day, not preparing.
The problem is, if I sat down and poured over my magic missile spell to like, refresh my memory and get it ready to go that day, why does that knowledge just vanish from my head as soon as I cast it once? Why do I have to refresh my memory on the spell in like... 2 different slots? Wouldn't the described process just result in a spontaneous caster that can prepare new spells known each day? It doesn't make sense. =/
@@Minandreas213 @Paul Burkum Don't they say in the book that all the spells are written in some sort of magic language and that's what gives them power? So it's less like memorizing the components to a spell like a textbook and more like translating it to work in the real world. Just that the translation must be exact to work and gets used up once you do so you have to start over from scratch. Overtime you get better at it and maybe instead of translating literally you're able to translate in a way that's easier but still gives the same meaning
So it's not memorizing exactly but a bit more complex to that
Granted that still doesn't exactly explain why you can't do the whole spellbook at once but I think it helps understanding it and I think it'll make sense to most people but game/mechanic wise that's how I understand it
@@lilwartank1 I see. If it says that I'm not sure where it does. But either way that's a really strange and unintuitive system. I think the cleric example will still be way easier to explain the mechanic to new players lol
I just like the witch because the familliar just says "take your tiara and toss it while sayin "moon tiara" and then do that and this..."
For the algorithm!
I've been playing 5e, and I love how they do spellcasting. Prepared is great when you know what's coming, but I feel the most fun with spellcasting I've had in 5e, whipping out a spell to solve a problem, cant be done like that, really. I only like to play spontaneous, but it still feels kinda bad that I got so few spells known
Well that is what scrolls wands and staves are for, prepared casters also have an easier time making then, one tip if you find a niche but useful within that niche spell, put it on some scrolls, if you have a spell you want to cast everyday at least once then put it on a wand.
I've been looking at starting a new PF2E game after running a lot of 5E, and spellcasting is the first thing I've found where I don't like the PF version as much. I wonder how much it would throw balance outa whack to use 5E-style spellcasting in 2E. >.>
Very, if you do that you will make spontaneous casting as useless compared to prepared casting as it is in 5E.
Not much realy, just swap the rules.
Prep casters can use a number of spells = level + proficiency
Spontaneus casters can upscsle spells freely, but prep casters have to spend one of their know spells of the day to upcast It.
Try this.
I don't like either all that much, guess that speaks to them being pretty balanced.
Whereas in 5e prepared casters seemed the better option.
Selling out is out. Sellins is the new black.
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Not a huge fan of how Prepared spellcaster works, yet neither like Spontaneous spellcaster heign spell limited.
Hopefully Paizo find some magic way to give us the best of both worlds.
Pf2e spells casters feel like a nerf coming from 5e
I feel like spontaneous casters get screwed in 2e. They have fewer spells than prepared casters AND much more limited choice.
Add onto that the fact that staves work completely different for the two. For prepared, you get X charges that you can spend to cast EXTRA spells each day. For spontaneous, charges are only used to give diversity to the TYPE of spell you have to sacrifice a slot to cast anyways. Meaning prepared casters can have tons of extra spells AND choices per day with a staff, while spontaneous casters only get more choice.
So for comparison, a 20th lvl nexus staff wizard vs a 20th lvl sorcerer. Both own a Staff of the Magi. Both get 3 spells per spell level a day. But the wizard gets an ADDITIONAL spell per spell level due to their specialization (except Universalist). And then added on top of that, the wizard gets an ADDITIONAL 1-9 spells per day from the charges in their staff being used to cast spells allotted to it. The sorcerer only gets to use charges to alter what spell they can cast out of their spell slots. So already a wizard is 10+(1 to 9) extra spells a day.
Now take into account the fact that you can sacrifice a spell slot to give extra charges to the staff. That puts the wizard ahead at 10+(1 to19) extra spells per day. And the nexis staff wizard can sacrifice 3 spells for extra charges. So 10+(1 to 27) extra spells per day. And remember: Unlike 1e, the saves on low level spells like grease increase with character level. So they remain just as potent as ever and useful for a staff spell.
AND THEN we need to talk about bond objects for wizards. That'll add an additional spell each day. Except for a Universalist, who actually gets -1 total (no specialization slots, but bond object recharges for each spell level) but more flexibility through recasting prepared spells at each spell level.
So basically, a spontaneous caster is getting smoked casting spells compared to a prepared caster. If you want a sorcerer, you're honestly better off making a Universalist wizard and using his bond object to regain a spent spell slot as a way of "mimicking" spontaneous casting the same spell over again. Wizards at least get to learn EVERYTHING and choose each day vs a sorcerer's 4 known spells per spell level. Huzzahs. And if you really want to go hog-wild with choice and flexibility? Make a Nexus Staff Universalist Wizard. You'll burn some higher level slots to get more lower level castings, but my goodness the choice if you've built your staff well! All of those "save or suck" spells that don't heighten on the staff? Damage spells that do heighten in your slots? Cantrips as True Strike as well? Recipe for casting non-cantrip spells EVERY SINGLE turn once you get CHARACTER lvl 6 (not spell level) or above. Enjoy. A sorcerer just can't match that quantity AND versatility.
I hate to say it, but because of how Paizo made staves work differently for sorcerers, they really, REALLY hurt the class and made them much weaker than wizards.