What to expect from your FIRST Pathfinder 2e Session - Tips

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  • @Unikatze
    @Unikatze 3 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    Step 1: Make a video about a popular 5E TH-camr
    Step 2: Have that popular 5E TH-camr react to your video. Making all his viewers get a glimpse of how deep character customization is in PF2 and want to have a look at your channel.
    Step 3: Post a guide video meant for 5E players looking at trying PF2 to hope they convert.
    You sir, are a master strategist.

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations.

    • @Classic_DM
      @Classic_DM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Nonat1s Hahhah

    • @commandercaptain4664
      @commandercaptain4664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Step 4: Profit!

  • @Jacob-dl7bw
    @Jacob-dl7bw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Me who knows the system back to front: hell yeah imma watch this

  • @dilvias8659
    @dilvias8659 3 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    Nonat briefly mentioned this but this is very important: At level 1 you are not a hero, but a potential hero who has yet to realize their potential. The average bandit or ruffian (level 2) can kick your ass and going up against a gang leader (level 7) is suicide. Manage your expectations accordingly.

    • @GroundThing
      @GroundThing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Is that not true of most systems? Hell PF2e seems actually a bit more lenient on it, since getting crit on full HP by an even-leveled enemy is likely to kill you, and will at least bring you to 0 HP, whereas in PF2e, you don't need to be particularly hardy to survive a crit if you're on full HP, though you will be hurting. True, level disparities are more impactful, but I can't really think of many (at least within level-based) games where Level 1 you're already a hero, just because of how much variance impacts things at low levels. Maybe 4e, though what I remember of playing it, it was similar to the PF2e "you can survive a crit, but that doesn't mean you're not in danger" philosophy.

    • @heyfell4301
      @heyfell4301 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      THAT'S some fresh air, and from someone who's coming from 5e, it's a big surprise.

    • @robinheinemann1740
      @robinheinemann1740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@GroundThing isn't a band captain CR 2 in 5e? A standard bandit CR 1/8? That sounds very much weaker.

    • @GroundThing
      @GroundThing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@robinheinemann1740 ​ I don't know, because I don't play 5e anymore, and I also don't see how that's relevant, since I didn't really mention anything about the relative power of bandits to bandit leaders, but rather getting crit by an on-level enemy, and the relative power of PCs vs level disparate enemies

    • @robinheinemann1740
      @robinheinemann1740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@GroundThing I don't see how you aren't seeing the relevance since both OP and I mentioned the approximate power of the same enemy type with a very large gap between those challenge ratings.
      This clearly has a connection to your comment too.
      I am frankly confused how you can overlook this.

  • @aliasmask
    @aliasmask 3 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    What to expect from your first PF2e session, "That's not how PF2e does it."

    • @platinumsun4632
      @platinumsun4632 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ?

    • @aliasmask
      @aliasmask 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@platinumsun4632 I imagine people coming from other rule sets assume certain mechanics for AoO and Reach, but PF2 does it differently, among other things.

  • @huldasvensson3760
    @huldasvensson3760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    As a brand new pathfinder GM I would love a video on how to run a game without getting stressed about looking up all actions and their resulting consequences. In dnd we just rolled on the skills but here everything has an action and detailed rules and although that's what I wanted, I lose immersion a lot during a session.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      It's basically the same thing in Pathfinder as it is in D&D, it's just fleshed out and explained more! I know it is common to hear people say this but as things come up just make a decision in the moment and look later, you'll forget and have to make a decision on the fly again later and again look up the rule. But guess what? Eventually you will remember and won't have to look them up any more, unless you have multiple editions of D&D, 2 editions of Pathfinder, and COUNTLESS other rules systems in your head.
      In fact, in your first few sessions keep your book in a CONVENIENTLY inconvenient location so you aren't tempted to go grab it and look something up, just go with what feels right in the moment and have fun!

    • @huldasvensson3760
      @huldasvensson3760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@JacksonOwex Thank you. That really helps because that's basically what I did, just not well enough. I guess it will come with experience. But you have given me some confidence ☺️

    • @malkyn9998
      @malkyn9998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@huldasvensson3760
      Make it clear that after review your ruling may change. You may be doing so already, but it helps manage expectations lest your players feel the rules are inconsistent. When in doubt on ad hoc rulings, I sometimes say I'm going to rule a thing a certain way, ask for objections, and move on if there are none. Ruling in the PCs' favor as a default helps cut down on objections.

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      On my introduction notes to my players, I told them there is no way I'm going to remember 600-something pages of rules AND I am NOT going to look up every rule when it comes up. I'll make my best guess and later I'll read it again and if I was wrong, I'll let everyone know. We will not back track on a rule but start using the rule correctly moving forward.
      I also told them that I believe part of the fun is the real danger that your character can be killed and thus I will let them die. But remember, it is ok to run from a battle you can't win.
      Imagine a your PC has 2 HP left, 2 others are at dying 2, another is already dead, and there are still 2 red dragons alive..... and it's their turn. Suddenly, the dragons get scared so bad that they just croak in fear. Yay. You won the battle and you are able the revive the dead one while the others restore hit points.
      REALLY? How did they happen? I'm all for helping the party when I can but it has to be conceptually realistic.

    • @huldasvensson3760
      @huldasvensson3760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@SI-GOD Yeah I would never do that last part. For me a game with adults have to have real consequences. A tpk just means a new campaign.

  • @tdougla
    @tdougla ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Something tells me this video is going to get a lot of fresh views in the coming days.

  • @jollyhoop
    @jollyhoop 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    My current party is finishing our current adventure in D&D 5e and afterward we're trying Pathfinder 2e. I'm excited I already started thinkering with the system in Foundry VTT. Thanks for the video.

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's awesome to hear! I hope you enjoy the system!

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've downloaded that app on my computer but have not read through the instructions yet. What I have seen, leads me to think that programming in a module is going to be a daunting task that I will very quickly consider a chore.
      It would be nice if I had a way to download a file for an adventure without having to pay extra for it. I'm on 9 Paizo subscriptions so I get free PDFs but not VTTs. Anyone know a good solution for this issue or is there something I haven't learned yet that could change all of the above?

    • @CraigS-
      @CraigS- 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SI-GOD If you use Fantasy Grounds, they discount the all their PF modules by the full cost of the PDF if you already own it through Paizo. Makes it very affordable where you're just paying them for convenience of doing the work to put it into a module. Great deal.

    • @GoldSabre
      @GoldSabre 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@SI-GOD Download the "PDF to Foundry" addon in FoundryVTT and apply it to your world. This will let you upload Paizo-purchased PDF adventures and will automatically do a bunch of legwork with maps.

  • @patrickdubois6671
    @patrickdubois6671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Ive only ever played dnd ,(2nd,3rd,4th and 5th edition) i got into pathfinder 2nd ed a few months ago, and i quickly realised its day and night with the two systems, im loving pathfinder and it has renewed my love for the game!

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      That's so awesome to hear! Sometimes you just need that fresh coat of paint to reignite a passion!

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm in the same boat with you. PF2 seems to be too be more realistic instead of 1 proficiency covers everything.
      I also played an early version of d&d. I'm guessing v1 but but sure. At the time I knew it only as Advanced D&D. Saying advanced, I would think 2ed but I look at images of books now and see even 1st edition said AD&D. If this helps figure it out, it was in the year 1982.

    • @lorenzovaletti4951
      @lorenzovaletti4951 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's great to hear for fans like us!

    • @308473mb
      @308473mb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of us!

    • @kelmirosue3251
      @kelmirosue3251 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SI-GOD from what I heard AD&D covers both 1e and 2e

  • @daenemarker9027
    @daenemarker9027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    As Will Swanson said: Character creation is best placed at Session 0. The tools you suggested are great for that, I personally use Pathbuilder since I really enjoyed the PF1e version and think the 2e version is great as well. Even though the feat system offers a lot more choice than other systems out there, it's reasonable if you just take them as they come and not overthink all the possibilities you have.
    A tip I always tell my players is to not think of all actions of your characters in a mechanical way, but to just describe the actions your character wants to take and if there is a dice roll needed, I'll ask for that or ask for the relevant modifier for the secret check. Mechanics are important but you are playing a character, a hero, a catfolk with a cat familiar looking for another cat as a pet. Not everything has to be mechanics.

  • @Sombre_gd
    @Sombre_gd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I'm about halfway through with Age of Ashes campaign, and these are my tips based on my experiences:
    - Buy a condition card deck. Or make your own. Many people think it is just a gimmick, but no. From the very first session, both critters and your players would get conditions every fight. And if you think you can manage that with your memory or scraps of paper, good luck with that. Around 5-7 level, every harder fight would leave your characters with up to 4 different conditions. At my gaming table, at 10th level, sometimes even six - for instance - wounded, dying, blinded, two different persistent damage and clumsy. At the end of big fights, your cleric/healer starts a weird kind minigame of which player should be helped with which condition to keep your party alive. Also, having multiple cards laying in front of your character, makes significant impact on your morale. My players are much less eager to start new fights when they see a full hand of cards crippling their character.
    - Archive of Nethys is your friend, and every player is allowed at my gaming table to freely use his/her phone to check the website for info.
    - Have multiple copies of Core Rulebook and some other supplements, either pdf of physical version. Be prepared you and your players would spend significant amount of time checking rules, much more time than, let's say DnD 5ed.
    - Use page numbers for reference with every item or rule, so when my party finds a wand of heal, I say to them: "You found wand of heal, page 597."
    - Learn how Stealth works, make some notes. For me, it was the most confusing part of the rules. And still is. Watch some YT videos explaining it.
    - Also, check rules for flanking. Be prepared your players would have problems understanding how it works on their first session.
    - When you are players, make every player responsible for some part of game. Sometimes fights get a little bit crunchy, so It helps to keep all people engages. In my 4 player party the roles are: Condition Card handler, Spell Effect database checker, party equipment manager, who also helps me with finding rules in core rulebook, and a guy who manages minis and battlemats, and also plays some friendly npcs during fights.

  • @idiocracy9020
    @idiocracy9020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Fair warning about adventure paths. They are extremely difficult. Many stories of pathfinder games end at level 1 or 2 with 4 dead PCs.
    In abomination vaults, at level 1 there is an enemy, that if fought, can easily one shot a full health martial character.

    • @edreppert3091
      @edreppert3091 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One rule players need to learn early: know when to run away. :-)

    • @megavore97
      @megavore97 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Abomination Vaults spoilers below
      Yeah that Soulbound Doll is NASTY. It used Vampiric Touch to instakill the champion in our party.

    • @Nastara
      @Nastara 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@megavore97 Yeah that is wild. I’d probably remove the massive damage rule though because it really only kills level 1s. After that the chances of it happening to a PC are very low

    • @megavore97
      @megavore97 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nastara We weren’t using the massive damage rule, our champion was critically hit by the vampiric touch, and because that spell has the “death” trait, if it reduces you to 0 hp you just die instantly, which is what happened.

  • @mrwik8799
    @mrwik8799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    This is gonna be so helpful for breaking down pathfinder 2e to my community and hopeful it breaks down that mental wall everyone has that its needlessly complicated this video will be a godsend for what they can potentially expect
    Ps @Nonat1s you're doing the gods work keep up the amazing content :)

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'm so glad you're enjoying the content! Thank you so much for watching and commenting!

  • @RedEarthTaxidermy
    @RedEarthTaxidermy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My wife and I are starting our first Pathfinder campaign tomorrow! Thanks for the on-ramp!

  • @cheezeofages
    @cheezeofages 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Also in session one expect some dude that looks suspiciously like a certain 5e TH-camr to burst into the room the moment you start roleplaying and shout "What are you doing? PF2e isn't a roleplaying game! You're supposed to open the Core Rulebook and read the section for Make An Impression out loud and provide no roleplay! Even though the books in many spots say not to play that way!"

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      While I do LOVE the joke, and agree with your sentiments of him, it is probably better to NOT mention the channel by name. Was the particular video you are referencing complete and utter ridiculousness, ABSOLUTELY, but he is allowed to have his thoughts, not matter how ridiculous they were, and they were REALLY RIDICULOUS!
      Basically calling him out straight-up is kind of rude but I probably shouldn't say much because I have probably mentioned it AT LEAST once and didn't cover the WHO of it, I always TRY to just be vague about it though when the time comes to mention the video.

    • @cheezeofages
      @cheezeofages 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JacksonOwex fixed that for ya

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cheezeofages You know I too am an asshole but I still try to be polite in comments(I frequently fail) of videos for the sake of the person posting(ESPECIALLY if I like the creator) but every now and then something just sets me off and I end up speaking my mind!

  • @coolio3267
    @coolio3267 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    This would've been extremely useful like 2 months ago lol

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      haha, it sure would! This video is definitely targeted towards new players to the system now!

    • @nicolasvillasecaali7662
      @nicolasvillasecaali7662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nonat1s that do sounds like me! Yay! Great job mate.

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      For me, it is right on time as I'm running my first session in a week. I finished reading the core rule book 2 weeks ago and now reading the adventure (GM Guide) that came with the beginners box.
      Some of this I had already figured out such as character creation takes fat more time than it did in DnD 5e but even then, we always made characters in advance. That Isiah took about 30 minutes.

    • @chrissiwon2662
      @chrissiwon2662 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nonat1s ist

  • @willswanson1840
    @willswanson1840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    tbh on your first point I think the best solution to character creation - regardless of experience - is to have a Session Zero for the campaign. That way everyone can talk to each other and to the GM about what kinds of characters would have a compatible vibe with each other, what fits the flavor of the campaign, and what kinds of things to expect. It's a good way to avoid accidentally creating a ranger who's great at fighting undead in dungeons when the enemies you run into are going to be mostly humanoids in above-ground environments.

    • @zenvariety9383
      @zenvariety9383 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      To me a session 0 should not only be about rules and character creation, but it should jump straight into the campaign to get the ball rolling. Not a Pathfinder player yet, but explaining the rules of the table and creating characters shouldn't take long especially if the players have been asked ahead of time what type of campaign they want to play.

    • @willswanson1840
      @willswanson1840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Jumping straight into the campaign is the exact thing Session 0 was conceived to *not* do. When I'm behind the screen, I use S0 to get everyone on the same page about house rules and the basic flavor of the campaign, which like you said doesn't take very long. What can take a long time is the PCs talking with each other about how to realize each of their concepts within the context of a suitably balanced party, the PCs talking with the GM about what kinds of choices are likely to be appropriate or useful, everyone getting a feel for each other out of character, everyone getting a feel for the RP vibe of the party in character, and transforming the modified character concepts into stat sheets. It's really easy to underestimate how long it takes to build a new character, especially for new players, and if the expectation is that it'll be fast and significant progress will be made in the actual adventure, that puts a lot of unfair and unhelpful pressure on the newbie. There's no reason S0 needs to have story progress past the PCs introducing themselves to each other at the local tavern.
      There's a reason it's numbered zero and not one.

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      THIS! ONE THOUSAND TIMES THIS!!! I'm not as familiar with PF2 as I was with PF1, and even that was not a whole lot, but I do remember that some of the older Adventure Paths(APs) DEFINITELY would benefit from a session zero, as ANY long form campaign would, because some things would work MUCH better and some things would just be VERY VERY HARD to have fun playing, but as long as the players know what to expect if they STILL want to play that difficult character they KNOW ahead of time.

  • @tabletopgamingwithwolfphototec
    @tabletopgamingwithwolfphototec ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm watching your whole welcome to pathfinder 2nd edition playlist.

  • @bocollider
    @bocollider ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nonat, you are so enthusiastic, hilarious and charismatic. I can't recommend and watch your PF 2e videos enough, watching one after another without a break. Thank you for what you do and best wishes!

  • @lorenzovaletti4951
    @lorenzovaletti4951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very useful video, thanks! Mentioning Archive of Nethys is very very useful

  • @rainraven9881
    @rainraven9881 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Two addendums about the Archives of Nethys that I feel are important to point out. First, it consolidates all the options from across all the books into one place. You want to know what feats and spells are available to your Wizard? All the feats from all the books are listed in the Archive's Wizard feats table, and there's a list of all the Arcane spells in one place just a few clicks away. Second, they have a search bar. Need to double check exactly how one of your shiny new spells works but forgot to note which book it's from? You don't even need to go to the Arcane spells list to find it, just put the spell's name in the search bar. Or if you're a GM with a bad memory like me, I've found that searching some rarely-used rule on the Archives is often faster than flipping through the book looking for it.

  • @commandercaptain4664
    @commandercaptain4664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks like a better use of action economy by creating an actual economy to be used, in which case I'd hand out action tokens for players to signify how many they take per turn, so that nothing is confused or forgotten.

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a really good way for beginners to learn the system! In fact, the Pathfinder 2e Beginner's Box has player cards with three action symbols on them plus a little token you can cover them with to accomplish exactly that!

  • @HMSBeardsley
    @HMSBeardsley ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I cut my teeth as a DM with Pathfinder 1e about 10 years ago. Eventually my players wanted to move to 5e with the advent of DndBeyond. But with everything that WoTC has done, I'm coming back to Golarion. My players and I had our session 0 last week for PF2 and they loved it. They're so excited to get going on the Kingmaker AP that I'm going to be running them through. This vid is a great explainer of stuff to expect and I'm definitely going to share it with them!

  • @MrDylan2125
    @MrDylan2125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Solid advice. Hope people considering Pathfinder 2e find this video well.

    • @ronaldsanfran
      @ronaldsanfran 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, I hope it shows up above... less helpful videos lol

  • @forsidious
    @forsidious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    To expand on crits, a nat 20 doesn't auto crit and a nat 1 doesn't auto crit fail. Instead they make your roll 1 degree of success better or worse. (this is important to note if you're fighting something well above or well below your level). Also just get used to going down - with the amount of crits you're gunna take, it's gunna happen at least once a combat. The system is built for it.

  • @spudsbuchlaw
    @spudsbuchlaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    1:33 "but it's not quick"
    Yesterday, I was thrust into an improv session with my bro and we only had Pf books around. I whipped up a 1st level Leshy Ranger in around 5 ish minutes. It was a fun session(?) But we did learn that, even for experienced players, character creation and snappy improv dont mix with this system

    • @EcoInstant
      @EcoInstant 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Experience makes it possible but show a new character the feat list and come back tomorrow

  • @dlpatri
    @dlpatri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Personally, I can't wait for Savage Pathfinder.

  • @JacksonOwex
    @JacksonOwex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I am surprised at how... gutsy, for a more appropriate word, Paizo has been with putting ALL of their rules online COMPLETELY FOR FREE! It shows me that they love gaming MORE than money and just want people to have a good time! It was something that could have actually come back to bite them, by now it hasn't and they have done this with BOTH 1e(sure a LOT of the stuff was already out there being that it was just an extension of D&D 3.5) and 2e!!!

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      True, it could cause many people to just go for the free version but this actuality works better. Many pirates will make it available anyway (illegally). Making an official free website let's Paizo ensure accurate info is out in the wild and not tainted with viruses. It also does bring awareness via search engines and such.
      But most importantly, reading it on a website is clunky. The site is designed to be a reference, not an only resource. You can not just read straight through like you can in q book. It's often hard to know what to click to get to the info you want and a search bar usually doesn't help much it gives you 9 million results that is almost somewhat remotely possibly maybe somehow related to your question.
      I read through the website while waiting for my hard copy to arrive and very anxious to get it. It helps me to be able to quickly see 2 pages at once which is way more information than what can be viewed on a single computer screen.

    • @edreppert3091
      @edreppert3091 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not to mention Starfinder. :-)

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edreppert3091 That too!

    • @JacksonOwex
      @JacksonOwex 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SI-GOD All very good and very true points! I guess I see it slightly differently knowing someone who has ABSOLUTELY no problem using websites or pirating copies of books, it drives me nuts sometimes!
      Coincidentally he is also one of my worst players to deal with, very power-gamey and almost NEVER has any real substance in the little bits I get for backstory!

  • @poke_onix9235
    @poke_onix9235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    With Jacob posting his response video and likely you getting more dnd players interested in your channel, this is the perfect time to upload this video. You channel is definitely going to go up in sub count quite a bit ;)

  • @chaddon7685
    @chaddon7685 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Definitely recommend Pathbuilder 2e for brand new people. Wanderers is cool, but a bit daunting for newlings like me

  • @JonWaterfall
    @JonWaterfall 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Perfect! Just in time for me to introduce two new players to the system. :D

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's awesome! I hope they enjoy themselves!

  • @Atrianpaul
    @Atrianpaul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video: somthing to add is when you roll a 20 on the dice is not crit automatic (or hit).. it improve your result in one degree.... the same is for critical failures but in the other way

  • @decobyjones9491
    @decobyjones9491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    0:05 this is the reason why I subscribed.

  • @KeepITDefended
    @KeepITDefended หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a great help, I just decided to make the switch for DnD 5e and the greed of WOTC and this was great to understand the basics.

  • @kyleranderson57
    @kyleranderson57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent summation, Brogan!
    One thing to add - do some practice rolls before playing while exploring their character sheets.
    Just played the first four encounters of the Beginner Box with our kids (13 and 9) and friends (11 and 10) and doing so gave them a good feel for the connection between their character sheets, their dice, and how those results would look in the game world.
    This has been my favorite of dozens and dozens of RPGs I have played over the past 35 or so years, and I truly appreciate how much care and energy you put into your content. Thank you!

  • @backtospawn42
    @backtospawn42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Monsters are not equivalent to 2 PCs. It's actually a 1 to 1 ratio except that all monsters have very optimized stats and a small amount of extra offensive power and +10% to +50% hitpoints to compensate lack of variety in abilities compared to PCs. Most "martial" monsters are equivalent to an optimized fighter with some extra buffer hp
    Sometimes they have even higher than fighter proficiency to hit for their level but always within the range of a Heroism spell
    In the encounter building rules they tell you to have 2PCs per equivalent monster so players have a high chance of winning. An extreme encounter is actually just a fair fight.. meaning 50% chance of defeat and high chances someone dies even on a win
    Never fight fair

  • @danproctor7678
    @danproctor7678 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job, I’m really enjoying your style & content.

  • @WilliamMitchell95
    @WilliamMitchell95 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, helped me get my first session of PF2E going.

  • @CraigS-
    @CraigS- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best videos you have ever released. Thank you.

  • @xymel
    @xymel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Herolab online is fantastic for generating characters for pf2e. 5 out of 5. Would recommend to a friend.

  • @elfneck
    @elfneck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been lurking around the edges of PF2E for a while now as a 5e forever-DM, and this video has inched me closer to taking the plunge and organizing a one shot with my group to try the system out. The complexity of PF2E is like a double-edged sword for me. On one hand I dislike needing to look up rules that aren't easy to intuit at the table, on the other hand that complexity means tons of cool character builds (and monster designs) which I feel 5e is lacking.

  • @ex0stasis72
    @ex0stasis72 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:00 Wait a minute, that map is pretty much real-world Europe, the Inner Sea is basically the Mediterranean, and the Isle of Kortos is basically Cyprus.

  • @leviangel97
    @leviangel97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been playing 2e for a bit, but the algorithm draws me in

  • @Samshiir
    @Samshiir ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Starting my first session this weekend. Appreciate the advice! This helped!

  • @flareinc7413
    @flareinc7413 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was a very good video to help me in my first session ... 3hours. :D Thank you.

  • @bloodelfreku
    @bloodelfreku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would actually argue it can be very fast to create a character, especially when using a character builder like wanderersguide. It is only quick though when you know what you are looking for and you have made one a few times.

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for this comment as it assures me to expect the creation to get faster and easier. My 1st 5e character took 2 days to make. Now, I can make one in under 10 minutes.
      I think being familiar with the feats, skills, and spells is what makes the biggest time difference. Having to read every one of the about on your 1st time is super slow.

    • @bloodelfreku
      @bloodelfreku 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SI-GOD I spend time just building characters here and there. Still very new to pf2e, but it doesn’t take more than 30 minutes for me unless I’m trying to min max. But when I come in with a concept, it generally takes about half that.

  • @TriptuneRadio
    @TriptuneRadio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish my group was into pathfinder 2e lmao

    • @Nonat1s
      @Nonat1s  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, the struggle is real.

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm lucky enough to have 3 roommate that love D&D5e. While one of them is the 5e DM, they are the ones that volunteered me to be GM for PF and SF.
      Now can i get my son to play remotely? Can I get my interested in any RPGs? Both are grown and no longer living at home.

  • @ThouArtJustice
    @ThouArtJustice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Getting back into PF2E, didn't know Pathbuilder was a thing. Thanks for the resource!

  • @hazy5412
    @hazy5412 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect timing!! Thank you so much!

  • @chrisboyd2964
    @chrisboyd2964 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PSA: PathBuilder now has a browser version :)

  • @natedog2014
    @natedog2014 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Who else is here cause of the new 1.1 OGL?

  • @master0fthearts894
    @master0fthearts894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jacob reacted to your pathfinder character video on him.

  • @nick1wasd
    @nick1wasd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A thing that was mentioned slightly but deserves it's own point in my opinion. PF2 has a quadratic power scale, every increment you try to punch above or below your current level is a MASSIVE gap compared to something like DnD5E. In 5e, a group of four level 5 adventurers will (with a modicum of difficulty) be able to kill a level 9 dragon; in PF2, a group of four level 5 adventurers will be in harms way facing down a level 7 drake, with a level 9 dragon being veritable suicide unless they're very well (and specialty) equipped for that match. EXPECTATIONS NEED TEMPERING, OR YOU WILL SUFFER! Once the ball gets rolling, and you have realistic expectations of what you can/can't do, it's very fun, and there's a lot you can do in time

  • @TheUnnbreakable
    @TheUnnbreakable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Book are fantastic I do recommend getting them if can afford.

  • @elise_enchantment
    @elise_enchantment 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    pathbuilder 2e is also available for web browsers :)

  • @TheAiskie
    @TheAiskie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this, since my first session of PF2e will take place... Tomorrow! :D

  • @Jo-Heike
    @Jo-Heike ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please make a video about City of Mist.

  • @MrVanderwel
    @MrVanderwel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude those are cool vampire dental implants.

  • @greencaller14
    @greencaller14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks! As a new DM who's just finished their first Pathfinder 1e homebrew campaign, I was debating on moving into 2e and it seems like it has the type of flexible combat system I was hoping for. Think I'll give it a shot now!

  • @nicolasvillasecaali7662
    @nicolasvillasecaali7662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This comment is sponsored by the glory and might of the all-powerful algorithm, PRAISE!!

  • @phantomprince4278
    @phantomprince4278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a good reminder. I'm not remotely new, but I have a group of new players starting soon. And this reminds me to prep differently than I would for a learned group.

  • @kaedegrv
    @kaedegrv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid. If you or anyone in the comments can help me with this…
    I’m running a game in 3-4 weeks which will last for a weekend. I’m trying to see if there is any adventurr which can be finished in two days of gaming and is conclusive…
    Also It will be the first experience for 2 guys of the group which makes me nervous since I want them to enjoy it.

  • @severussnape2917
    @severussnape2917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video!

  • @Jo-Heike
    @Jo-Heike ปีที่แล้ว

    Researchers in 4000: They all worshiped this entity called "The TH-cam Algorithm"

  • @kraziecatclady
    @kraziecatclady 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been working on my character for about 2 weeks I think, and I'm still not quite done. The game is supposed to start tonight, but it will be more of a .5 session according to the DM. Most of what I have left to decide on at this point though is gear, so I suppose that isn't too bad. Way too many options available especially since we are starting at lvl 3 and using Free Archetype. digging through the information felt like that 7-page menu at my local Mexican Restaurant... Wildeborne Grippli/Oread Storm Order Druid with the Geomancer Archetype although I was torn between that and Oozemorph for starting out considering I went with the Miresoul Ancestry Feat, so my Grippli is already kind of malleable. I will likely take on Oozemorph later after meeting the requirements for leaving Geomancer unless I change my mind before tonight. My boyfriend was trying to help me last night and we got a lot farther than I was, but yeah I still need to finish my gear.

  • @somecallmetimelderberries432
    @somecallmetimelderberries432 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for doing this!

  • @AlastarTehMaster
    @AlastarTehMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nonat1: I have never heard anyone say ''Ok, now you're in EXPLORATION MODE''
    Me, who says it frequently because I GM for new players to TTRPG and this reminds them to declare their exploration actions: **Looks around nervously**

  • @datonkallandor8687
    @datonkallandor8687 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you play a pre-gen (which isn't a bad idea in general) - DO NOT PLAY HARSK. HARSK IS TRASH.
    Harsk is an in-joke and terrible and new players will not have a good time with him.

  • @lightblckknight
    @lightblckknight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this has been a great video. Light, informative, and supportive. Wish i could give more thumbs ups. :)

  • @ciCCapROSTi
    @ciCCapROSTi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How the hell is character creation complex? The rulebook (and aon and the srd) guide you through it step by step. Holding your hand all the way. It's lengthy, but it's not complicated in the least.

  • @heyfell4301
    @heyfell4301 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    NoNat, i probably won't play Pathfinder as soon as i would like to, my players are kinda fixated in 5e and all my attempts of playing other systems, like Call of Cthulhu or Starfinder failed miserably, but that ain't the case.
    I just wanna ask.. what books of Pathfinder (2e) exist untill now, i'm interested in playing, so i wish to know at least their names. By your channel, it seems like Paizo is constantly producing new books, so it would really help if you could tell me what books exist ant what i should get for a complete Pathfinder experience (i'm the forever DM, so probably the answer is "all", but yeah :/). Love this channel, i came from Jacob's video and i don't regret it in any sense. Also, if you already have a video answering me, you can know my view is guaranteed. (Sorry for the bad english)

  • @ninten90z70
    @ninten90z70 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most important thing about any TTRPG. Communicate, Communicate, Communicate!
    It doesn't matter what TTRPG you are playing. It doesn't matter if you are the game master or one of the party members. Communicate what you want. Communicate what you need. Communicate what you like. Communicate what you don't like.
    Did someone do something you don't like? Let them know. They likely want everyone to be having fun unless they are trolling, and statistics show that trolls are in the minority. Unless someone is made aware that what they are doing upsets another, they will continue doing it.
    Did someone do something you liked? Let them know. Whether party member or game master, everyone wants to feel included and appreciated. Positive feedback does wonders for any one person or group.
    Do you want something? Do you want a change? Do you feel dissatisfied? Let others know. Let's say you are a player not liking your class, ancestry, background, spells, or character. It happens, especially when trying new things. When and if it happens to you, inform your game master and request a change, a new character maybe.

  • @sylvaincousineau5073
    @sylvaincousineau5073 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    PDFs on Paizo's homepage are also very cheep . Chrome book + pdf = GM/DM best friends . 🍺

  • @TacticusPrime
    @TacticusPrime 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The earlier pre-gen stories are pretty punishing. Fall of Plaguestone is really deadly for noobs. If the GM doesn't play it carefully, a TPK is pretty much guaranteed. I would actually recommend starting it at level 2/3 instead of 1.

  • @gamewrit0058
    @gamewrit0058 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been playing D&D 5e for 4+ years and still take forever to make a character, but my sister can roll one up in 30-60 minutes, or less for an NPC.

  • @patkelley8293
    @patkelley8293 ปีที่แล้ว

    The PF Basic Box explains more on Character generation. I remember going back to Core rules but it just confused me more. But yeah I spent all day putting 4 characters together.

  • @Mark73
    @Mark73 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm planning on running my D&D group through the PF Beginner Box. I'll be sending them this video.

  • @TarEcthelion
    @TarEcthelion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    #GMsArePlayersToo
    ...With a whole lot more homework. :-P

    • @p-leif630
      @p-leif630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      As long as the rules not shakle the dm

  • @bmwd4000
    @bmwd4000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Geezum... this video clears up quite a bit for someone looking to 1st time DM.

  • @platinumpus
    @platinumpus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Coming here before every game session to make sure I didn't forget anything important; like my character

  • @xqhxc
    @xqhxc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Broo I remember you from caffeine I was so young watching you stream Mario cart and you and your girlfriend playing at night and drinking wine and eating pizza man I miss it hopefully you see this man stay blessed bro ❤️ much love and my old name was sky glaze or something like that

  • @Solrex_the_Sun_King
    @Solrex_the_Sun_King ปีที่แล้ว

    True Strike is an actually good spell in pathfinder, but it's a 1st level spell, not a cantrip

  • @Morhgoz
    @Morhgoz ปีที่แล้ว

    Multiple attack system reminds me one other non-english game where parries make your attack harder aka adding more dice to your roll....

  • @Unikatze
    @Unikatze 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man. I make an effort to not play favorites for my girlfriend, and I think I even involuntarily lean the opposite direction by accident.
    So based on the first part, is it really a problem if a GM limits what Race a player plays if it doesn't fit their world?

  • @pathfinder2elatino
    @pathfinder2elatino 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have everything except for the friends 🙂🙃🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @zxiled331
    @zxiled331 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video aged well

  • @BasementMinions
    @BasementMinions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Considering getting into PF2, was really overwhelmed by the number of Adventures. I'll take your suggestion and run the Abomination vaults for my first campaign. 🙂

  • @rickbau7476
    @rickbau7476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm starting to see a trend: i usually like the video before watching it, cause i'm sure It will be a good video. And watching it confirms that :)

    • @SI-GOD
      @SI-GOD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm the opposite. I'm horrible at hurting the life button when when I really do like it.
      I'll hit that button on this one right after I hit send and then make a mental note to help Google make more money...ummm I meant hit the low more often.

  • @michaelpoirier3370
    @michaelpoirier3370 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hope this brings some more people in. I love what paizo is doing in the new system

  • @captianbacon
    @captianbacon ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally think more mechanical roleplay is better then colabritive improv.

  • @abeingofpureenergy
    @abeingofpureenergy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I found this channel through XP to Level 3, so far I'm not disappointed lol

  • @Dracobyte
    @Dracobyte ปีที่แล้ว

    A great way to play Pathfinder 2e! Thank you for the tips.

  • @Perram
    @Perram 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the video, but ya gotta do something with that background, dude!

  • @DaDunge
    @DaDunge ปีที่แล้ว

    6:30 Ah that's what I tried to do with a DnD houserule. Had no idea it was how pathfinder handles things.

  • @krykiet5761
    @krykiet5761 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey, it's only me or you too try clean screen just to notice it's something on his wall?

  • @AJGames1220
    @AJGames1220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as always! I think you covered a lot of really important information and as someone who has been playing since the core rulebook released and has taught a dozen+ people how to play, I think that you were able to cover the basics really well for people coming into this system.

  • @Schreibtiscification
    @Schreibtiscification 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Archives of nethys is a goldmine and yes buy books!

  • @mushythemushroomwizard7712
    @mushythemushroomwizard7712 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey anyone have any clever alternatives to the pf 2e character sheet.. its a printer killer..

  • @DaDunge
    @DaDunge ปีที่แล้ว

    11:01Why does a bearded profile flash at 11.01?

  • @MRblahface61385
    @MRblahface61385 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need a background instead of tape on the wall.

  • @mslabo102s2
    @mslabo102s2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:54 This sounds like a dealbreaker for me.