This does help a lot, much better then reading the players guide. I’m surprised paizo doesn’t do this with first a player/gm introduction to the adventure path to get gist of things then have the pdf players guide as reference.
This definitely needs to become a series. As a DM who has run this campaign, I can say you’ve done an excellent job with not spoiling too much. In fact, what you have spoiled should be, in my opinion, common knowledge for any potential player or DM before play even begins. It’s the kind of information that makes choosing what to be/play much less ominous and intimidating in PF2e’s ocean of choices.
I really love the way you expanded on the world and towns around the island and the people and resources that are avaliable to them. I would love to see some sort of Pathfinder lore series covering the world and creatures of Golarion as no real high quality ones exist that I can find. Plus who better to speak of lore than a likely immortal vampier?
Same! I struggle to keep my attention reading through even just the player supplement. I want to make these videos because I wish I had access to something like them!
I disagree about the Magus. Here's why. If a mob is immune to magic, then they have martial abilities the same as any front line martial class and if the mob is immune to physical well then they switch to magic. I would say that makes them more diverse.
Our inventor tanked all the way through book one with a tower shield. And we also had a magus that 1 shot 1/3rd the creatures. Also the gm was increasing the difficulty. Our cleric probably had the lowest damage output and i was a bard XD
Yeah, this makes me hesitant to provide this as a guide to my players. When I played with a different group our Magus was a great front liner. I also don't see the 10 minute cooldown for Investigator being a huge issue with how often we took breaks to Refocus and Treat Wounds. A little worried this might just discourage the player who is really excited about Inventor.
I’d say I’m shocked Paizo doesn’t do a video series like this themselves, but I’d be lying. In my opinion they are the king when it comes to making really amazing content and then failing hard to properly promote that material. Remember Pawns, those cool, affordable upright tokens for use on battle mats? Awesome idea, amazing product, but rarely could you find anything about it outside their website. Finding reviews on this and other platforms for them was near-impossible for many of the campaign-specific ones. They were so worried about spoilers and a few other concerns that potential customers had no idea what they were getting. They’ve been churning out APs forever, and seem content to rely on word-of-mouth for most of the material. There’s a major difference between campaign spoilers and making a campaign more accessible to potential players. Part of making things accessible is making people aware of why they’d want to play it. And that includes suggestions on characters and options. I’ve talked to players and DMs who won’t touch an AP because they don’t know where to start. Having a billion character options won’t matter if players feel intimidated over which to pick as opposed to excited. Heck, most players and DMs I’ve talked to aren’t even aware that Players Guides are a thing for each campaign, and free for everyone on the Paizo website.
So, I've been running a group through Abomination Vaults for some time now, nearly a year, and we're only on book two! A lot of this is because my players have pretty robust backstories and so we've been derailing from the main mission quite a bit, but also these books just give you so much content to play through. It's been an absolute blast, and I cannot recommend this adventure path enough for people looking to get into the system either as a DM or a player. Only caveat is that for new DM's, all the information can be a little overwhelming, but just roll with it. I've gotten quite a few things incorrect in my play through, but we made it work.
What a phenomenal video! Me and my party are close to lv. 5, and have had such an amazing experience. Been playing a senile, old cleric of Nethys, and it has been a blast. Keep up the amazing content Nonat1s! ❤️
I started playing pf a year ago with a group where we all had never played a ttrpg before, except for the gm, who had played 5e and now pf for a long time, and abomination vaults is the first campaign we are doing (we did a one shot before that) Almost finished book one but I play a cleric and one of my party companions is an alchemist so I guess we are doing something right! Came close to dying a couple of times already but your videos have helped me understand the game tremendously! Thank you and keep up the good work
Really wish this had come out 6ish months ago before I started running it for my friends. Hope this becomes a thing going forward. A quick synopsis of what to expect as a player coming into a AP.
Already sent this to my GM whos running our AV game. This would have been really nice to have before we started and even though we are on book 2 it could be good for a new player that is joining us next game. Would love to see this turned into a series!
Thanks Nonat1s I've started running people though the starter box and now abomination vaults! I've handed this video out as a "Fun homework" for my players and they all loved it! Either way you got a few new subs Cheers mate
My group had to take a break but when we dive back in the plan is to finish Trouble in Otari and then start new characters for Abomination Vaults. This will be helpful for sure. Would love to see more of these for the published campaigns. Maybe Strength of Thousands next?
Thanks, this was awesome! I sent it to my GM so he could send it to everyone else. I’m planning on playing a Kitsune Life Oracle. I love the complexity of the class, and am looking forward to having that damage prevention but also having access to the divine spell list. It’s gonna be fun playing support while also helping take some damage.
Perfect! I'm about to run this in the next couple months and this info would be great for my players. Not to mention that I learned some things from this video that I feel will improve my campaign. Thanks!
Its really nice to see my name on the patrons list now. Gotta support the guy who singlehandedly got me into p2e. Much love! Just the little gift of giving back 😁
I did play a Magus for the majority of the adventure (reaching the later parts of book 3) before retiring him to bring in a cleric (we didn't have any "in combat" healer or full caster and we lost several characters because of that, including our incredible thaumaturge) but he was actually pretty solid. With Sparkling targe he made for an incredible wall to protect his companions, relying mostly on cantrip spellstrikes and his big spells for support such as Haste, Warding Agression or Resist Energy. Now my automaton cleric ("Beep Boop, Hello meatbags, I am W4N-D3R3R") of casandalee is here to be an almost litteral healbot and he's quite fun to roleplay.
Oh yeah, the magus isn't a *bad* choice whatsoever. I'll argue that no class is a bad choice at all. I just had to pick something to be the bottom class and I picked magus mainly for the idea that you'll almost never be 100% effective in most fights.
Thaumaturge's do not circumvent resistances/Immunities as some people think. Damage calculation goes like this: Roll damage, apply resistances and immunity, then apply weakness. This means while you may trigger an existing weakness or create a new one, your melee damage type is still completely subject to the monster's written stat block
I believe its immunities, weaknesses, and then resistence per pf2e application rules. So something resistent to bludgeoning still had the weakness 5 to cold iron still will apply the weakness amount prior to resisting the bludgeoning weapon used.
I can confirm a thaumaturge is incredibly useful (and if you just so happen to pick up the ritual thaumaturgist feat... well, you might be good for something specific in your party)
My wife just started running this for a group of our friends. pretty fun adventure path and we barely survived the first session. Mostly just because we are a pretty useless party, lols
Comment to boost engagement because this is an awesome series idea. As a GM I only use a homebrew setting so not vital for me but I want others to be able to find this easily.
I think this would be really cool video series, it also helps people who are not sure if they want to do a specific adventure path get some more info. I think it’ll help views if you also advertise it that way
I’m starting up my first run of Abomination Vaults pretty soon as a recent 5e convert! I’m sending this to my players, so thanks for making it! One thing I will critique though, I think you’re short changing Magus a bit. I feel they’re quite well suited to the adventure for exactly the reason you described; only half their kit is countered by any given resistance. A Wizard facing magic-immune critters is truly screwed outside of supporting allies, and a Fighter can’t dollop Produce Flame or Electric Arc onto their weapon when facing physically resistant foes. As you say though, it’s all minor differences in the end!
Agreed but in the way that the magus will still have something to do and not be completely shut down. I do think though they will still feel real sad when 1/2 their kit doesnt work. Just not as sad as that wizard perhaps that isnt speced into weapons but forced to buff or used them due to the enemies.
Just about to play this and I am so pleased I picked Alchemist lol. Just wanted to thank you for your video on that class too, made it make so much more sense to me.
I bought one of those massive HumbleBundle drops quite a while back, and have so many Adventure Paths in my backlog. These are going to help so much with deciding what to run for my players. Also, can't FREAKIN' wait for Sinclair's Library! And, hey Nonat! Did I ever tell you that I made a Shield Tome Magus with Improvised Weapon Dedication around the same time you made Sinclair? Book boi hit bad guys with big books; cast spells from big books to book them big baddies.
I'm playing a witch in abomb right now. His familiar is actually our thievery expert in there so that's a thing... Though the thing that is really helping out is that I went with the Archtype Loremaster. That lore skill is killing it Something you might want to add to this series is looking or to pair it with it is rating the archtypes that come in the book perhaps on how helpful they would be or to plan for them perhaps. Other then that, A good intro.
I made a decision that I will be running it with dual-class. Just to give more options for players with combination of classes and to find more suitable way to deal with this resistance issue you mentioned. But I will send this to my players as this had plenty of useful information without spoiling much, a bit more than in the player's guide.
Currently playing through this adventure now. We’re level 7 going on 8 and it’s been a lot of fun so far! I’m playing a Redeemer Champion with the Marshall free archetype which has been a very positive experience. I hope everyone has the opportunity to play through at some point
@@paralysekid very combat focused. Some opportunities to use non-combat skills like thievery or the charisma skills. besides brief downtime in town to retrain, buy items, etc you spend almost all your time in the dungeon. Still overall really fun!
As a gm I wish I had this before as I did not even think of the other cities. And had to reconcile how townspeople view the gauntlight. This is still a great help even at my point
Currently have the '1' book version (that is all the books in one).. And on Level 8 now. Alas, Thaumaturge wasn't an option when we started. But, we are approaching the end of it. Would love to see you do the Magic School College (Strength of Thousands) AP starting Guide.
My table is on book 2 of SoT now, and not sure I'd have most/least useful classes for it. Main thing I think is gonna be party balance. My table had no issue here, but it could be very tempting given the setting for everyone to avoid martial classes. However, there WILL be physical fights, which will be a challenge without a meat shield or 2. Having your face know undercommon would be handy in book 1 as well. You'd think it'd be fae, but no.
Gonna run this for my player after they get through the Beginner Box and Troubles in Otari adventure so they'll be level 5 and should be fine for the beginning parts of this adventure I believe
Nonat: There's so much to investigate and explore, and you need someone with good Society to learn the story Also Nonat: Yeah so Investigator is like bottom 3 😭 Stop the Investigator hate Nonat, they are so good for adventures like this! They are amazing at identifying weaknesses and learning secrets, and the 10 minute Pursue a Lead time is the same time it takes to Refocus. You wouldn't say a Psychic is bottom 3 because you need to refocus 10 minutes between every combat
This is a fascinating point that I see so many different sides of! In my experience, we don't usually wait 10 minutes between encounters, but it sounds like a ton of groups do! I might have to do a poll to get some extra info on this because I'm so interested!
@@Nonat1s Do you also not use medicine for healing? Because that also takes 10 minutes. If your spells only you can pretty much last 2 encounters before your done, that is a short adventuring day.
@@Nonat1s I agree finding more data on this would be good. Typically I let my party rest 10 minutes between encounters, usually much, much longer. I mean, most classes, ancestries, etc. have mechanics built in to allow it. I think it’s pretty clear PF2e is a game that (often) encourages it. As mentioned, the Medicine skill alone seems to infer that ten minute waits should be a thing. All that said, I mix things up in my campaigns. There are plenty of situations where it makes sense to not permit ten minutes in between fights. But most of the time I just think it’s silly to send group after group of creatures to attack a party. That just feels so B-horror movie style to me. Dungeon Crawls are definitely unique, as it can make total sense not to allow too much time to pass. For every locked/closed off room or passage way that might require ten minutes or more to open (thus resting before facing the room’s inhabitants) it makes plenty of sense for multiple open rooms with some creatures inhabiting different areas, or simply wandering around. Cursed items, haunts, and other dangers also help fill in the gaps, and make exploration a chore itself. Still, going back to the OP’s post regarding the Investigator…eh. One of my favorite classes in 2e, but also the class most beholden to the style and preferences of the DM. Entire benefits of the Investigator can get thrown out the window if the DM isn’t up to embracing the character, concept, and play style. In my campaigns, Investigators typically thrive, both in general situations and even when we do dungeon crawls. I’m a believer in “knowledge is power”, and versatility with knowledge in my campaigns is incredible powerful. But other DMs just don’t play that way. I’ve only run Abomination Vaults once, and there was no Investigator in the group. But I can see how it would be somewhat useless or nearly overpowered, depending on the DM’s style and preferences. So the same elements that can make it so fun to play or have in a party if you’re the DM is exactly the same thing that can make the experience terrible elsewhere. Frankly, a breakdown of this would be another great video idea. A look into the Investigator, and why it’s beloved or hated by so many. Different approaches to the class as a player and DM, etc. Stylistic (regarding play styles) class breakdowns would make for a pretty good series, in my opinion. But the Investigator can be such a binary option for many groups that it probably deserves the first video. Additionally, I’m always curious how other groups and DMs treat knowledge in their games. It was only somewhat recently that I discovered that gathering information with the Diplomacy or similar skill was often compressed into campaign-specific streams by many DMs. In other words, a Bard that spends a night in the tavern drinking, entertaining, and talking with everyone might come back with helpful knowledge (based on rolls) for the DM’s intended campaign or “nothing helpful” at all. Whereas in my campaigns, the gathering of information in towns or cities can lead to all sorts of random side quests that have nothing to do with the main objective of the campaign but still can provide money, services, items, or whatever else for a group embracing and accomplishing certain tasks. Similar to the town notice boards in video games like the Witcher and Dragon Age. My mind was blown, as I was brought up learning and utilizing information in my way, and it never occurred to me some DMs might streamline what characters learn to keep the party on track and constantly moving forward. Anyways, my apologies for wandering a bit from topic to topic. I’m pretty loopy right now.
@@Nonat1s As far as I've seen it's pretty standard to take a breather after any combat, and AFAIK the system is designed that way. You'd make things A Lot harder unnecessarily for a party if you didn't allow it as a GM.
A friend of mine (who's somewhat experienced) is planning to run this as the first PF2e game for me and a few friends. After seeing this video and listening to Tattered Sails Shanty from Total War Warhammer (probably a few too many times but damn is it good), I'm currently planning on playing a Dhampir Gunslinger.
I had a fun time in that adventure, and man our party put very little forethought into optimizing for what we might encounter lmao - though it wasn't that big of a problem for us because we were running dualclass characters which are just inherently more wellrounded. But I can safely say NoNat is 100% right on that point, if you outthere are running no variant rules there are some concepts you should probably avoid at all costs. Let's just say we had a poisoner alchemist/swashbuckler and in a lot of the combat encounters they paid dearly for that (objectively cool) choice of class, like it was hilarious at times but also pretty rough how often that very witcher-esque character found themselves outmatched by the denizens of gauntlight. I played a magus/tyrant and I also agree with the ressource problem NoNat mentioned but I would add that you should also probably avoid evil aligned characters for this adventure, specifically evil clerics or champions I mean. I'm sure most groups already stick to good or neutral for APs but this is one of those adventures where the kinds of enemies you'll meet make it more fun to be on the heroic side of things, both mechanically and from a story perspective there is a bit more to engage with I think. To any one heading into that campagin, best of luck and have a great time!
I awalys feel weird when somebody I'm subscribed to asks for subscriptions. I keep thinking "I can't subscribe again! I'm letting Nonat down! And he's so nice, especially for a vampire!"
You can look up several helpful guides for stuff to add to Abomination Vaults on Pathfinder Infinite, for free or very cheap, if this inspired you to run it or you’re considering sending this to your players.
love the video! it's different from what you've done before but I really liked it, even down to the huge microphone. Only thing i'd change is the "mario kart-esque" music and other video game music, it kinda takes me out of it and is a bit too loud. but I'm a cranky old man!
I would love for this to become a series, it is like a really fun player's guide
Agreed, would be a nice resource for GMs since there is always one person in a group that doesn't want to read the background.
Agreed specifically since I have a hard time deciding where my character come from.
This does help a lot, much better then reading the players guide. I’m surprised paizo doesn’t do this with first a player/gm introduction to the adventure path to get gist of things then have the pdf players guide as reference.
Agreed
This definitely needs to become a series. As a DM who has run this campaign, I can say you’ve done an excellent job with not spoiling too much. In fact, what you have spoiled should be, in my opinion, common knowledge for any potential player or DM before play even begins. It’s the kind of information that makes choosing what to be/play much less ominous and intimidating in PF2e’s ocean of choices.
my favourite random fact about AV is that in French, they had to rename the town "Otira" because "otari" sounds like their word for "sea lion".
I really love the way you expanded on the world and towns around the island and the people and resources that are avaliable to them. I would love to see some sort of Pathfinder lore series covering the world and creatures of Golarion as no real high quality ones exist that I can find. Plus who better to speak of lore than a likely immortal vampier?
Sir vertigo
Great video Nonat. As someone with Neurodivergence I find it hard to read these player guides. I hope you make this a full series!
Same! I struggle to keep my attention reading through even just the player supplement. I want to make these videos because I wish I had access to something like them!
I disagree about the Magus. Here's why. If a mob is immune to magic, then they have martial abilities the same as any front line martial class and if the mob is immune to physical well then they switch to magic. I would say that makes them more diverse.
Our inventor tanked all the way through book one with a tower shield. And we also had a magus that 1 shot 1/3rd the creatures. Also the gm was increasing the difficulty. Our cleric probably had the lowest damage output and i was a bard XD
Yeah, this makes me hesitant to provide this as a guide to my players. When I played with a different group our Magus was a great front liner. I also don't see the 10 minute cooldown for Investigator being a huge issue with how often we took breaks to Refocus and Treat Wounds. A little worried this might just discourage the player who is really excited about Inventor.
@@ElenionAncalima2 look up "Dungeon's but dire" if you want some evidence
Yeah my first thought was "but an armorer inventor can just... Use a different weapon"
I’d say I’m shocked Paizo doesn’t do a video series like this themselves, but I’d be lying. In my opinion they are the king when it comes to making really amazing content and then failing hard to properly promote that material. Remember Pawns, those cool, affordable upright tokens for use on battle mats? Awesome idea, amazing product, but rarely could you find anything about it outside their website. Finding reviews on this and other platforms for them was near-impossible for many of the campaign-specific ones. They were so worried about spoilers and a few other concerns that potential customers had no idea what they were getting.
They’ve been churning out APs forever, and seem content to rely on word-of-mouth for most of the material. There’s a major difference between campaign spoilers and making a campaign more accessible to potential players. Part of making things accessible is making people aware of why they’d want to play it. And that includes suggestions on characters and options. I’ve talked to players and DMs who won’t touch an AP because they don’t know where to start. Having a billion character options won’t matter if players feel intimidated over which to pick as opposed to excited. Heck, most players and DMs I’ve talked to aren’t even aware that Players Guides are a thing for each campaign, and free for everyone on the Paizo website.
So, I've been running a group through Abomination Vaults for some time now, nearly a year, and we're only on book two! A lot of this is because my players have pretty robust backstories and so we've been derailing from the main mission quite a bit, but also these books just give you so much content to play through. It's been an absolute blast, and I cannot recommend this adventure path enough for people looking to get into the system either as a DM or a player. Only caveat is that for new DM's, all the information can be a little overwhelming, but just roll with it. I've gotten quite a few things incorrect in my play through, but we made it work.
This is glorious! I would love to see more of these for the various paths and adventures!
What a phenomenal video! Me and my party are close to lv. 5, and have had such an amazing experience. Been playing a senile, old cleric of Nethys, and it has been a blast.
Keep up the amazing content Nonat1s! ❤️
I'm literally prepping to run this so this is super helpful thank you so much. I really hope you do this for all the Adventure Paths in the future.
This is wonderful content! I would love to see this series continue and cover other areas like the Magaambya and Alkenstar.
I started playing pf a year ago with a group where we all had never played a ttrpg before, except for the gm, who had played 5e and now pf for a long time, and abomination vaults is the first campaign we are doing (we did a one shot before that) Almost finished book one but I play a cleric and one of my party companions is an alchemist so I guess we are doing something right! Came close to dying a couple of times already but your videos have helped me understand the game tremendously! Thank you and keep up the good work
Thanks our group starts the Abomination Vaults tomorrow. This guide is fantastic. Keep up the good work.
Really wish this had come out 6ish months ago before I started running it for my friends.
Hope this becomes a thing going forward. A quick synopsis of what to expect as a player coming into a AP.
Already sent this to my GM whos running our AV game. This would have been really nice to have before we started and even though we are on book 2 it could be good for a new player that is joining us next game. Would love to see this turned into a series!
Thanks Nonat1s I've started running people though the starter box and now abomination vaults! I've handed this video out as a "Fun homework" for my players and they all loved it! Either way you got a few new subs Cheers mate
I’m running this at the moment! This combined with the player’s guide is probably all you need.
My group had to take a break but when we dive back in the plan is to finish Trouble in Otari and then start new characters for Abomination Vaults. This will be helpful for sure. Would love to see more of these for the published campaigns. Maybe Strength of Thousands next?
Just in time too! I am starting AV with my players next week, definitely going to be sending them this.
Thanks, this was awesome! I sent it to my GM so he could send it to everyone else. I’m planning on playing a Kitsune Life Oracle. I love the complexity of the class, and am looking forward to having that damage prevention but also having access to the divine spell list. It’s gonna be fun playing support while also helping take some damage.
I would be down for more of those videos to send these, great video again NoNat!
Excellent video. I'd enjoy seeing more with this theme for other Adventure Paths.
Loving the green screen backdrop! Also this si such a great series to catch players up before going into an adventure. I really hope to see more!
Perfect! I'm about to run this in the next couple months and this info would be great for my players. Not to mention that I learned some things from this video that I feel will improve my campaign. Thanks!
I am gonna be playing a dwarven sculptor who is a redeemer of shelyn xD this really helped me work out the specifics of his story! Thanks!
What a fantastic guide! I wish I had this for my players when starting this adventure!
Thanks for the video! I'm preparing to run the BB and then AV. I'll share this video with my players.
Its really nice to see my name on the patrons list now. Gotta support the guy who singlehandedly got me into p2e. Much love! Just the little gift of giving back 😁
Thanks for the lore, really helped me out with my backstory for my run at the vaults.
I did play a Magus for the majority of the adventure (reaching the later parts of book 3) before retiring him to bring in a cleric (we didn't have any "in combat" healer or full caster and we lost several characters because of that, including our incredible thaumaturge) but he was actually pretty solid. With Sparkling targe he made for an incredible wall to protect his companions, relying mostly on cantrip spellstrikes and his big spells for support such as Haste, Warding Agression or Resist Energy.
Now my automaton cleric ("Beep Boop, Hello meatbags, I am W4N-D3R3R") of casandalee is here to be an almost litteral healbot and he's quite fun to roleplay.
Oh yeah, the magus isn't a *bad* choice whatsoever. I'll argue that no class is a bad choice at all. I just had to pick something to be the bottom class and I picked magus mainly for the idea that you'll almost never be 100% effective in most fights.
@@Nonat1s That's very fair. The spell limit is really felt hard too. Having to go out for a full rest hits the magus hard
Thaumaturge's do not circumvent resistances/Immunities as some people think. Damage calculation goes like this:
Roll damage, apply resistances and immunity, then apply weakness.
This means while you may trigger an existing weakness or create a new one, your melee damage type is still completely subject to the monster's written stat block
I believe its immunities, weaknesses, and then resistence per pf2e application rules. So something resistent to bludgeoning still had the weakness 5 to cold iron still will apply the weakness amount prior to resisting the bludgeoning weapon used.
Thank you so much for this video! First time running pathfinder 2 so I’m jumping in here!
I can confirm a thaumaturge is incredibly useful (and if you just so happen to pick up the ritual thaumaturgist feat... well, you might be good for something specific in your party)
Thank you Nonat! You're my favorite TH-camr and I loved this video! Keep up the good work!
My wife just started running this for a group of our friends. pretty fun adventure path and we barely survived the first session. Mostly just because we are a pretty useless party, lols
Comment to boost engagement because this is an awesome series idea. As a GM I only use a homebrew setting so not vital for me but I want others to be able to find this easily.
I think this would be really cool video series, it also helps people who are not sure if they want to do a specific adventure path get some more info. I think it’ll help views if you also advertise it that way
I loved how well made this video was, hope the next one could be about Age of Ashes
ty for using Pokke Village theme, I didn't expect to start tearing up with nostalgia yet here we are.
Planning on running this soon, super useful!
I’m starting up my first run of Abomination Vaults pretty soon as a recent 5e convert! I’m sending this to my players, so thanks for making it!
One thing I will critique though, I think you’re short changing Magus a bit. I feel they’re quite well suited to the adventure for exactly the reason you described; only half their kit is countered by any given resistance. A Wizard facing magic-immune critters is truly screwed outside of supporting allies, and a Fighter can’t dollop Produce Flame or Electric Arc onto their weapon when facing physically resistant foes. As you say though, it’s all minor differences in the end!
Agreed but in the way that the magus will still have something to do and not be completely shut down. I do think though they will still feel real sad when 1/2 their kit doesnt work. Just not as sad as that wizard perhaps that isnt speced into weapons but forced to buff or used them due to the enemies.
This is such a great idea, and I'd love to see more of these.
Loving this kind of videos. Please, do more!
Just about to play this and I am so pleased I picked Alchemist lol. Just wanted to thank you for your video on that class too, made it make so much more sense to me.
Wow, I don't even plan on running this, but it was a fantastic watch.
I bought one of those massive HumbleBundle drops quite a while back, and have so many Adventure Paths in my backlog. These are going to help so much with deciding what to run for my players. Also, can't FREAKIN' wait for Sinclair's Library!
And, hey Nonat! Did I ever tell you that I made a Shield Tome Magus with Improvised Weapon Dedication around the same time you made Sinclair? Book boi hit bad guys with big books; cast spells from big books to book them big baddies.
BOOK BOIS UNITE
I'm playing a witch in abomb right now. His familiar is actually our thievery expert in there so that's a thing... Though the thing that is really helping out is that I went with the Archtype Loremaster. That lore skill is killing it
Something you might want to add to this series is looking or to pair it with it is rating the archtypes that come in the book perhaps on how helpful they would be or to plan for them perhaps. Other then that, A good intro.
Currently running Menace Under Otari, then gonna lead into Abomination Vaults. This video came at the perfect time!
Playing a magus in it right now. I'm actually fully dominating ass. Our champion however is the king
I made a decision that I will be running it with dual-class. Just to give more options for players with combination of classes and to find more suitable way to deal with this resistance issue you mentioned.
But I will send this to my players as this had plenty of useful information without spoiling much, a bit more than in the player's guide.
Great video. Wish we had this before we started it. You should do more videos like this.
I love the use of the Persona 4 OST in your videos! :)
Currently playing through this adventure now. We’re level 7 going on 8 and it’s been a lot of fun so far!
I’m playing a Redeemer Champion with the Marshall free archetype which has been a very positive experience. I hope everyone has the opportunity to play through at some point
Is this AP mostly combat focused with little social interaction, since it is a dungeon crawl?
@@paralysekid very combat focused. Some opportunities to use non-combat skills like thievery or the charisma skills. besides brief downtime in town to retrain, buy items, etc you spend almost all your time in the dungeon.
Still overall really fun!
@@maxgoldstein8778 Okay thank you! I'll have to see if that is to my players' liking or not.
We did the campaign last year. We loved it!! Dungeon crawling at his best!
What a great video topic!!! Thank you!
I just picked this book up tonight. My three daughters are excited to finish the starter box campaign and tackle the banshee.
Super informative and useful.
Minor note: it's "may- gus." Okay, I'm that guy.
What an awesome idea to help out adventuring parties! ❤
Brilliant Idea! 💡 Hope you make this into a series. GMs would like this.
You really told off Gandalf. Thanks, my chest hurts now.
Thanks for this. I am trying to get my group to switch over the PF2E and this will help them get ready since it will be a learning curve for us all.
Thank you for the lore!
This is super helpful for players and perspective GMs!
As a gm I wish I had this before as I did not even think of the other cities. And had to reconcile how townspeople view the gauntlight.
This is still a great help even at my point
Ngl the opening got me interested in investigating this lighthouse. A pirate like character with boarding axe and hand crossbow would be fun.
2:10 That lion monk? lightning kicking looks so epic. I want to know more about what is going on with that.
Currently have the '1' book version (that is all the books in one).. And on Level 8 now. Alas, Thaumaturge wasn't an option when we started. But, we are approaching the end of it. Would love to see you do the Magic School College (Strength of Thousands) AP starting Guide.
My table is on book 2 of SoT now, and not sure I'd have most/least useful classes for it. Main thing I think is gonna be party balance. My table had no issue here, but it could be very tempting given the setting for everyone to avoid martial classes. However, there WILL be physical fights, which will be a challenge without a meat shield or 2. Having your face know undercommon would be handy in book 1 as well. You'd think it'd be fae, but no.
One of your best vids! Love the green screen look.
Another great video!
Awesome, I hope you make more!
Whhhaaaaaa?!!? Nonat talking about Lore? 😁
Gonna run this for my player after they get through the Beginner Box and Troubles in Otari adventure so they'll be level 5 and should be fine for the beginning parts of this adventure I believe
Another point for the thaumaturge. Auto trained with all the magic knowledge skills.
Best video yet!!! Do one for Blood Lords please!
This really would make a great video series if you did this for all the aps
The timing couldn't have been better, we're starting AV today!
It's pizza time!
Okay, "Shut up Gandalf" actually got me laughing. Take my Like and Comment Engagement.
I'd like to see something like this for each adventure path.
Thank you for this nonat!
Nonat: There's so much to investigate and explore, and you need someone with good Society to learn the story
Also Nonat: Yeah so Investigator is like bottom 3
😭 Stop the Investigator hate Nonat, they are so good for adventures like this! They are amazing at identifying weaknesses and learning secrets, and the 10 minute Pursue a Lead time is the same time it takes to Refocus. You wouldn't say a Psychic is bottom 3 because you need to refocus 10 minutes between every combat
This is a fascinating point that I see so many different sides of! In my experience, we don't usually wait 10 minutes between encounters, but it sounds like a ton of groups do! I might have to do a poll to get some extra info on this because I'm so interested!
@@Nonat1s Do you also not use medicine for healing? Because that also takes 10 minutes. If your spells only you can pretty much last 2 encounters before your done, that is a short adventuring day.
@@Nonat1s Yeah you should, that would be interesting. Could be an idea for a video, how often you should 10 minute and 8 hour rest
@@Nonat1s I agree finding more data on this would be good. Typically I let my party rest 10 minutes between encounters, usually much, much longer. I mean, most classes, ancestries, etc. have mechanics built in to allow it. I think it’s pretty clear PF2e is a game that (often) encourages it. As mentioned, the Medicine skill alone seems to infer that ten minute waits should be a thing.
All that said, I mix things up in my campaigns. There are plenty of situations where it makes sense to not permit ten minutes in between fights. But most of the time I just think it’s silly to send group after group of creatures to attack a party. That just feels so B-horror movie style to me.
Dungeon Crawls are definitely unique, as it can make total sense not to allow too much time to pass. For every locked/closed off room or passage way that might require ten minutes or more to open (thus resting before facing the room’s inhabitants) it makes plenty of sense for multiple open rooms with some creatures inhabiting different areas, or simply wandering around. Cursed items, haunts, and other dangers also help fill in the gaps, and make exploration a chore itself.
Still, going back to the OP’s post regarding the Investigator…eh. One of my favorite classes in 2e, but also the class most beholden to the style and preferences of the DM. Entire benefits of the Investigator can get thrown out the window if the DM isn’t up to embracing the character, concept, and play style. In my campaigns, Investigators typically thrive, both in general situations and even when we do dungeon crawls. I’m a believer in “knowledge is power”, and versatility with knowledge in my campaigns is incredible powerful. But other DMs just don’t play that way. I’ve only run Abomination Vaults once, and there was no Investigator in the group. But I can see how it would be somewhat useless or nearly overpowered, depending on the DM’s style and preferences. So the same elements that can make it so fun to play or have in a party if you’re the DM is exactly the same thing that can make the experience terrible elsewhere.
Frankly, a breakdown of this would be another great video idea. A look into the Investigator, and why it’s beloved or hated by so many. Different approaches to the class as a player and DM, etc. Stylistic (regarding play styles) class breakdowns would make for a pretty good series, in my opinion. But the Investigator can be such a binary option for many groups that it probably deserves the first video.
Additionally, I’m always curious how other groups and DMs treat knowledge in their games. It was only somewhat recently that I discovered that gathering information with the Diplomacy or similar skill was often compressed into campaign-specific streams by many DMs. In other words, a Bard that spends a night in the tavern drinking, entertaining, and talking with everyone might come back with helpful knowledge (based on rolls) for the DM’s intended campaign or “nothing helpful” at all. Whereas in my campaigns, the gathering of information in towns or cities can lead to all sorts of random side quests that have nothing to do with the main objective of the campaign but still can provide money, services, items, or whatever else for a group embracing and accomplishing certain tasks. Similar to the town notice boards in video games like the Witcher and Dragon Age. My mind was blown, as I was brought up learning and utilizing information in my way, and it never occurred to me some DMs might streamline what characters learn to keep the party on track and constantly moving forward.
Anyways, my apologies for wandering a bit from topic to topic. I’m pretty loopy right now.
@@Nonat1s As far as I've seen it's pretty standard to take a breather after any combat, and AFAIK the system is designed that way. You'd make things A Lot harder unnecessarily for a party if you didn't allow it as a GM.
A friend of mine (who's somewhat experienced) is planning to run this as the first PF2e game for me and a few friends. After seeing this video and listening to Tattered Sails Shanty from Total War Warhammer (probably a few too many times but damn is it good), I'm currently planning on playing a Dhampir Gunslinger.
nice, I was going to start to GM that campaing.... so just at the right time
Oh hey, this is the first Video I watched in which Nonat1s asked me to subscribe. Guess I gotta do that now. :P
I had a fun time in that adventure, and man our party put very little forethought into optimizing for what we might encounter lmao - though it wasn't that big of a problem for us because we were running dualclass characters which are just inherently more wellrounded. But I can safely say NoNat is 100% right on that point, if you outthere are running no variant rules there are some concepts you should probably avoid at all costs. Let's just say we had a poisoner alchemist/swashbuckler and in a lot of the combat encounters they paid dearly for that (objectively cool) choice of class, like it was hilarious at times but also pretty rough how often that very witcher-esque character found themselves outmatched by the denizens of gauntlight. I played a magus/tyrant and I also agree with the ressource problem NoNat mentioned but I would add that you should also probably avoid evil aligned characters for this adventure, specifically evil clerics or champions I mean. I'm sure most groups already stick to good or neutral for APs but this is one of those adventures where the kinds of enemies you'll meet make it more fun to be on the heroic side of things, both mechanically and from a story perspective there is a bit more to engage with I think.
To any one heading into that campagin, best of luck and have a great time!
The video and idea behind it were both stellar (if you know what I mean)
I awalys feel weird when somebody I'm subscribed to asks for subscriptions. I keep thinking "I can't subscribe again! I'm letting Nonat down! And he's so nice, especially for a vampire!"
Thaumaturge be like: Immune to magic? Immune to Damage? Well you're not immune to ME!
A “WTF” adventure path series is a great idea. You can have the title
Please make these for each Adventure!
love this idea of videos.
Love he premise, hope for more
You can look up several helpful guides for stuff to add to Abomination Vaults on Pathfinder Infinite, for free or very cheap, if this inspired you to run it or you’re considering sending this to your players.
More of this style content!!
That is a fantastic idea
Oh, Just in time! It will be very helpfull for my players
love the video! it's different from what you've done before but I really liked it, even down to the huge microphone. Only thing i'd change is the "mario kart-esque" music and other video game music, it kinda takes me out of it and is a bit too loud. but I'm a cranky old man!
"Send This To Your Players Before you Start"
I really want to see for 'Strength of Thousands' as well as 'Blood Lords'
This is a great idea.
Abomination vaults seems designed for the Thaumaturge