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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- There are TONS of differences between these two games, but today I'll be covering 5 of the big ones!
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Intro 0:00
Sinclair's Reminder 1:12
Character Creation 3:00
Types of Feats 5:11
The Rules are FREE 8:39
Conditions 10:31
Teamwork is Important 12:09 - เกม
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11:00 Welcome to Pathfinder 2e; where true strike is actually useful, but costs a spell slot.
It's balanced so that it is not overused.
Makes for a great, dramatic moment of use.
Imagine a Starlit Span Magus with a longbow, the enemy is leaving her effective range and she is hte last chance the party has to down them before they are out of range to get reinforcements.
She holds an arrow up and imbues it with arcane intent and draws her bow. She aims, eyes glowing, and lets the arrow fly with a last ditch spellstrike to finish the foe off at the last minute.
@@bernardosousa5603 Wrong version, that's PF1. In PF2, use a single action to gain advantage on your next attack roll for the turn. It can be a spell attack roll like Acid Arrow, which is a 2 action spell.
It was useful in pathfinder 1st edition, you needed to be a magus.
that was one of the first things I noticed! the return of the true strike! I took a feat just to get True Strike
As a DM who is migrating my ENTIRE campaign to Pathfinder from 5e.. For.. THE OBVIOUS REASONS... I love these videos. I'm doing so much research while I'm rebuilding everything in Foundry. (My campaign is set in my webcomics universe and uses a custom race (Which I made into a versetile heritage!).. And kind of why I left 5e.. My webcomic is MINE Hasbro. F-OFF!)
Depending on what your webcomic covers, you might also want to look at some other systems.
What's the webcomic? Would love to give it a read
yea so what the webcomic i love to read it
@@rogerwilco2 I would say that anyway! Looking into other systems only gives MORE TOOLS and MORE IDEAS to use in your games! It only make for better players, on BOTH sides of the screen!
Doing the same currently
I've gotta say, you're very quickly becoming my favorite source of Pathfinder knowledge. Your class breakdown of Monk could have convinced me to switch systems even without all the...current controversy.
He's been my favorite for just over two years now, after I found his reaction video to... "a certain Pathfinder 2E... 'smear' video"! I also found more creators that are wonderful as well! The last two years have been awesome!!!
NoNat does a lot of feat or class readings and explains what they mean. If you want more specific rules explained, check out "How It's Played" channel for PF2e.
@@MrRJPE and TheRulesLawyer for the GMing part. He has an ability to pick all the rules appart, and it feels like a Lvl20 Spellcaster casting a Lvl1 spell. These 3 channels are a must for me
It's so great to see new players and DMs coming across. Nonat pretty much started this channel when I started playing ttrpgs. He has been my go-to from the beginning when it comes to class guides. Is videos of never been dry. Even the ones that he says are dry still aren't dry. He always adds a little side notes and tidbits that are helpful and help new flares think outside the box more than they already do. Pair him up with the others that were mentioned in another comment here and you were solid on the basics for this game. Also remember even though there are a bunch of rules they are there to help explain questions that come up in the middle of the game. You don't have to live by them if you want to keep things simple like 5e is. On that note good luck with your new adventure in Pathfinder. I think you guys will find that you liked it a lot.
@@jakes70cougar I can't express enough how much I appreciate the openness and kindness that people are displaying amongst all the turmoil. It really goes to show the character of the community 💖
For the DnDbeyond converts, I highly recommend Pathbuilder for 2e. Makes character creation even easier.
This is what I needed, thanks!
Is there a good alternative for iPhone?
@@Bushwookie_18 Sadly not exactly. Pathbuilder 2e does have a website with all the same resources as the app.
And cheaper!! Only a one time payment of $5 or was it $10?
@@Nathan-ti9pm $4.99 one time payment, and you really only NEED to pay for it if you want the pets tab (and not every character will have a pet or familiar, but once you have access to it you have access to it regardless).
I'm surprised you didn't mention the three action economy as it's own point. It's such a pivot from how 5e works, with the 5 different action types (action, move, bonus, reaction, free) that aren't interchangeable. The switch to just having 3 actions and a reaction was awesome for me.
And it is so much better than Pathfinder 1e/old D&D 3.5e. Standard action, move action, swift action, immediate action, full round action, reaction, free action, and those are just the types I can think of off the top of my head.
@@CrizzyEyes there was no such thing as a reaction in PF1e
Immediate Action is what is essentially your reaction BUT ONLY if you haven't spent your Swift Action on your turn and vice versa (you can't have a Swift action on your turn if you used your Immediate Action BEFORE your turn.).
Immediate Actions are actions you can take off your turn within the round. So you can have before or after your turn but never with a Swift Action on your turn.
Immediate Actions are super-rare in this case, mostly relegated to certain specific spells and class features or if you played with the "Path of War" alternative rule system.
PF1e's action economy is built off 3.5e so there's that.
Dont forget that Pathfinder 2nd edition has free actions too! One free action of every type of action (trigger) per round. So for example, you could use a free action to quickly communicate something simple with your party (normally speaking is a standard action). And you could use your free reaction to catch an item that is thrown at you. Make sure to communicate the rules regarding free actions with your GM. As what is allowed as a free action can differentiate per GM! Everyone good luck on your pathfinder 2nd edition adventures!
As for 5e: don’t forget your Free Object Interaction!
5E doesn't have free actions. Doesn't really have move actions either.
I was already planning on transitioning from D&D to pathfinder before the OGL leak. Now with the leak, my decision is final.
Same. I started my table off playing 5e because they were new to TTRPG’s. They’re now level 12 and realizing there isn’t much to D&D combat unless I really put a lot into the arena.
@@TrueLimeyhoney I avoided jumping to 5e. Been playing 4e but given my mountain of 3.5e books, pathfinder was always in my sights. I've now decided to jump ship as well. Screw hasbro!
Samesies!
I've been avoiding switching bc of sunk cost fallacy. Now I have the motivation to do it
I started on Pathfinder 2e.
Thank you for posting this. I am one of those who "randomly" and "for no reason at all" decided to jump system and I'm having so much fun creating my character. But I'm also super overwhelmed and confused.
I am honestly not a very experienced GM, but I usually tell my players "make a concept of your character and then look up what works with it". Alternatively you can just read classes/races, find something you consider fun enough, and try building your character entirely around that, but that would be overwhelming. If you jump ship with your group, I would recommend you to try to take baby steps at first, like playing a full goblins party. Even just goblins can be diversified with ancestry enough to feel different (like having a bity goblin monk, who can suddenly bite you as a part of his flurry, pyromaniac alchemist who loves seeing things burn, a stealthy rogue goblin and a bulkier barbarian goblin and maybe even split and make a half-celestial cleric goblin). And that's only the heritage with some classes I think could go well with, you also get an ancestry feat, which while mostly is dependent on your heritage, still can makes your goblin brigade even more diverse. Or you can make a bity rogue goblin which loves biting peoples rear regions.
@@JediMage this is what I do. I start with a concept. I like to browse Artstation for character pictures until I find one I like. Then I build on that. Sometimes I will build them a couple different ways. Maybe they are a sorcerer, maybe they are an alchemist, maybe they are an oracle. Then I find the one that I like best and use that.
@@JediMage yeah, I've settled on a wisp fetchling rogue (possibly thief? Not sure yet). And then lean heavily into the shadowy magic, sneaky, agile part of it. I like the idea of the combo.
@@May-or-May-not I will take this opportunity to talk about the awesomeness that is the Ruffian rogue.
This monster of a half-orc would have made a great fighter or barbarian if his life had gone down a different road, but he grew up fast, poor and on the streets. He didn't get a lot of formal education or weapons training, but he learned how to teach himself what he needed, how to fight dirty, and most surprisingly how to play dumb and use the orc stereotype as another weapon.
On conditions, we killed a Dragon in 2 turns. Level 6 group, our Sorcerer landed Impending Doom with Crit fail so the dragon was Flat-Footed and Frightened 3, -5 AC in total. Followed by my Fighter who landed a Crit Power Attack with his +1 Striking Dragonbane Scythe for 70 damage. And the Rogue Crit on Sneak Attack shortly after.
Can't say i'm surprised it fell apart like that at -5 AC... that's a *huge* boost to physical damage in PF2.
It's also how bards are amazing!
I somehow managed to snag the last copy of the Core Rulebook at my local game shop (and it was the softcover version, which was the one I wanted!). It seems really well designed, and my gaming group has scheduled our first session 0 for a Pathfinder one shot!
DON'T KILL GOBLINS! BEFRIEND THEM!
Because goblins are actually cute and good and are all shortstacks?
NO! They are friend shaped
Yes! Please keep us alive!
Reverse Tucker's Kobolds! Make a goblin den and let the DM raid it with washed out heroes, and the players, as goblins, defend their home.
*Goblin Slayer enters the room*
a Nagaji Thaumaturge fighting with a sweeping battle axe and having natural scale armor instead of regular armor, and possible spell scrolls as options to support the team if ever needed, at Level 1... that's how crazy you can make it... but also how much fun the concepts can be... :-P
The what? XD
I've made half-undead mutant alien invader from space in power armor! (fleshwarp/dhampir/inventor)
Will go well with my Level 1 Ancient Elf Arcane Trickster Rogue/Alchemist/Druid Battle Medic with proficiency in literally every skill on the base sheet. They're the party Healer/Support, and by 3rd level can Crit Heal the party every 10 minutes out of combat. (Ward Medic + Risky Surgery + Continual Recovery.) DM also gave us a Free Archetype, which I chose Familar Master for to grow extra Alchemical Reagents on my existing fungal familar from Druid, act as a Valet to hand me my Bombs quicker, and cast spells through to give flanking bonuses from myself to it.
@@t.estable3856 Hope you know, I'm stealing this... xD lol jk, jk
My first test character was a Pumpkin Leshy Barbarian who summoned ghosts when he rages and who bounded and sprang into combat. Worked at level 1, really came together at level 10
This video is a GODSEND! I would LOVe another video explaining some more of the differences between PF2e and D&D5e, if that's okay! You are quickly rising to be one of my favorite TTRPG TH-camrs! Thank you for all of the tips and tricks!
one thing he missed is the critical hit rules. It is so amazing, you have a critical hit everytime you beat the check by more than 10 and a critical fail when you miss by more than 10. And some actions/spells get custom effects when you crit.
@@jeancanestri5572 And it actually makes the Nat 20 and Nat 1s mechanically relevant, especially in situations where only a hail mary Nat 20 could reduce your major disaster into a minor one. (I can't remember the nomenclature off the top of my head)
@@ghazzy118 They're just called Failures and Critical Failures (opposite of Successes and Critical Successes)
Thank you all so much for the advice and tips! It makes moving to PF2e on virtually no notice MUCH less daunting!
This weekend I went to 4 different game stores trying to get a 2e core rulebook (if you don't count the store I found out had gone out of business when I got there.) Part of that was me trying to explore the area because I had recently moved, but most of it was because every store had already sold their 2e books.
We got 6 lgs arond here within 48 hours of the OGL they were all sold out of pathfinder 2e.
It was hilarious because I called in to the one store just to verify they had a free table, the answer was a no. The dnd group showed up and bought out the pathfinder stock they had and were spread out across 3 tables.
So we just moved our game to my basement.
As a quick note on character creation, you don't need to choose a specific race to get specific bonuses you get, even if your race gives you only 1 free boost, you may choose 2 free ability boosts instead (you used to need to take 2 ability flaws to get another boost, but it was changed to this in the latest errate, which I HIGHLY recommend reading because it also has some clarifications to older rules which got often mixed up)
Edit: just to clarify, you don't get a free additional ability boosts, you can just choose between, for example, with Halflings: 1 boost to dexterity, 1 boost to wisdom, 1 free boost and 1 flaw to strength OR 2 free ability boosts (like a human does) or with Kitsune: 1 boost to charisma, 1 free ability boost OR 2 free ability boost (so boost to charisma is just like the pirate code, more of suggestion than a rule)
You can also get ability flaws without gaining anything, just in case you want to have lower stats for some reason (but no more than 1 flaw per characteristic)
You can also roll for stats if that's your cup of tea ;3
This is super-important - many D&D players wanted to decouple ability score boosts from Race/Ancestry since 5e launched, and the latest player books specifically allowed for this. Not having that going into Pathfinder would feel like a step backwards for many, including myself. This change was the key change that really pushed me to embrace PF2e.
@@georgesutherlandhoward4417 Trying to equalize all races by removing modifiers is woke bullshit. D&D began as a system of mechanics to reflect and manage fantasy warfare. The creators attempted to apply mathematical models to weapons, armor, races, and other aspects of the game to produce more plausible behaviors during combat and adventure. Fiction requires suspension of disbelief, even when magic is involved (which is why magic systems have rules), and it's hard to accept that a gnome would have the same strength as a half-ogre, or that the half-ogre would have the same intelligence as a gnome. It's a fact that there is some truth in stereotypes, and there is nothing wrong with being part of the norm. Or embracing the challenge of playing against type by trying to do something you're not innately born to excel at, by overcoming racial or species limitations.
This all started a decade ago with absurd articles claiming that it's somehow "racist" for an orc to be less intelligent than a human. This has ruined D&D, with 5e being bland, formulaic where most players are non-human multi-classed amalgamations to the extreme. Somewhere along the line, people lost sight of the fact that having ANY kind of modifier in the game (including racial mods) is meant to enrich the teamwork spirit of the game by encouraging people to rely on others who fit a particular role better. Each adventure or mission requires certain jobs and certain people excel at each job. There are still some genres that grasp this appeal, like the "heist film" genre. Modern players want to be "jack of all trades, master of everything." Imagine how ridiculous it would be if you had a bank heist story where one person just did all the tasks themselves.
If my views don't tick off this woke generation, I'll take it a step further. I actually think there should be sex modifiers too; human females should get -1 strength +1 constitution. Women are physically weaker than men, but have better constitution; they mature faster, have longer lifespans, higher tolerance for pain (e.g. child-birthing), and less prone to many illnesses and diseases than men. While this concept of sex modifiers would aggravate some, I challenge most players to argue against the fact that having more constitution over strength is vastly better for most players (so any argument about how this disadvantages female characters goes out the window). Instead of trying to redefine humans, elves, dwarves, gnomes and other established mythological creatures, why not just create new appealing races that distinguish themselves, such as a race where the females are superior to men in things such as size, strength, height, etc. But here's the problem... you can create races and content all day long, and describe or claim something to be a certain way, but it's the mathematics behind the system (when accepted and enforced) that causes those behaviors and distinctions to actually manifest during gameplay. (For example, if an elf has +Dex bonus, then through prolonged gameplay and dice rolls, players will see the elf doing better with ranged weapons and acrobatic type checks, reinforcing the intention and believability that an elf is more agile than most races.)
Even more, each race typically gives you one or two fixed boosts, but you also get a free boost by default from race. Want to play an Elf Fighter, but Elf doesn't give Str? No problem, use the free boost, and get both Str and Dex. A lot will also give TWO fixed boosts and ONE fixed flaw (-2), so watch out for that, but you get a free boost regardless.
Same thing with Background. It'll give you one boost that's a choice between two stats, but then another that's completely free. Your Elf Barber Fighter can start out with 18 Str.
@@Vashna Get mad chud XD
I recently transitioned from 5e to Pathfinder 2e and I think it's an important note to DMs that Pathfinder ACTUALLY provides proper DM support! Magic items have economy, crafting has proper rules, downtime have proper rules and so on. In the adventure modules (aka. adventure paths), everything you are asked to do to the players is covered with descriptions and rules, you can run everything out of the book and you need to do a LOT LESS prep work compared to 5e, because you are not forced to constantly come up with you own systems. You still have the ability to do so, but you are provided with the tools if you don't want to.
I'm very glad TH-cam suggested you. I was very disillusioned with WotC for decades, and only gave them a chance during the pandemic with 5e. Now, I feel I was right all along, and you videos have help turn me towards Pathfinder. Thank you.
Before this whole thing happened, I had been thinking of getting into DND 5e. I've never played a TTRPG, so I was a bit hesitant which is why I still haven't tried it even after watching a number of different DND groups on Twitch for like the last 4 or 5 years. I've now decided to look into Pathfinder.
So did you do it? How did it go where you able to play with ya friends some Pathfinder ?
Really love this video! I hope it grabs enough traction for you to justify more comparison videos. Now is the time to push those out if you do. I love PF2 but most my players have been pretty committed to 5E. Professor Dungeon Master at DungeonCraft pointed out in today's video that there is a shortage of DMs and if we say that we don't appreciate what WOTC is doing then we can share this with our players and tell them that our decision is to try something else. I'm not saying this will always work or is the right thing to do in all situations but he is right and DMs are going to be looking for videos like this one. I've also been mentioning you in forums and comment sections as a good resource for people considering PF2. Keep it up!
My DND group moved to Pathfinder 2E in 2020 and never looked back. There is SO MUCH customization and fun in these books, and it's easy for a dungeon master to create their own campaigns/worlds within the rule set. For those coming to this system, WELCOME! Another amazing resource besides Archives is Pathbuilder 2E. It fantastic free resource like Archives. You can create your own characters all through the website/app and print or copy your character sheets (most of my players just have the app pulled up on their IPad while they play for easy access to spell descriptions and success ranges). The site also saves your character! It's very useful and makes for quick and easy leveling since everything is right in front of you. The site also makes it easy to find out what your class gets at each level. As a dungeon master, Pathfinder 2E is way too much fun and deserves to be in the spotlight. Especially with the recent revelations of Wizards of the Coast. Welcome, have fun :)
Please keep making these differences videos. My 5E campaign is ended after three years and we are going straight into a PF2 campaign. I need more concise and informative videos like this!
I was just starting a module I hoped to sell on drive thru rpg for 5e when the ogl hit. Now I am trying to figure out how to write it with Pathfinder in mind. Honestly have enjoyed the process even if it feels overwhelming.
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A follow up video with Character progression and combat differences would be great!
Homie has hellllaaaaa videos on it already as well as class breakdowns and even tier lists from rule of cool as well as who does combat and rp better type stuff.
One of my party members has been really pushing for us to swap to Pathfinder the last couple of years, but it wasn’t until the WotC debacle that we’ve actually considered doing so. This video just sold me on it because information was well organized and entertaining. So, thanks!
I have my first PF 2e game tomorrow so thank you for all your great guides.
I’ve been binging your videos in between reading through the Beginner’s Box and they have been a massive help in learning the system for after we finish our 5e Campaign this weekend. I used to watch your videos when the edition first came out out of curiosity, but now they’ve been a massive help not only for learning the system for realsies this time but also catching up on the new content (they added 6+ new classes since the last time I looked lol). Thanks for keeping up the good work! ^^
You know, I was cautious about Pathfinder 2e (because I didn't want to have to buy more books) but this really helps me; I had no idea all the mechanical parts were freely available like that. I used Archive of Nethys before.
Thanks for the breakdown of the differences. I'd love to see another vid with more.
One of my favourite things about 2e is that while yes, there are options more optimised than others, no Ancestry/Background/Class option is horribly underpowered.
The availability of free boosts for every Ancestry and Background really helps that. Sure, the Ancestry and Background may not help you out by default, but you can always choose to let it anyway.
I can be a Skeleton who can use their ribs as ammunition in combat.
Even if anything like this was underpowered, it would never matter because *I CAN THROW MY OWN RIBS IN COMBAT*
Grew up playing dnd. It'll always be the legend for my 35 years of playing and I'll always remember dnd for that. basic to second and skipped to 5th, including lots of play testing. Didn't know anything about pathfinder and recently found nethys which lead to buying most of the 2e books... and yep pretty stoked on the future of that
The cost is part of why we're still on PF1 instead of PF2. And yeah, we all know about AoN (not only did Paizo endorse them, AoN practically took over Paizo's PRD site), so we know the mechanics are free. But he (and I) like to support Paizo when we can, and we use books we actually own to "limit" the amount of choices (because it's Pathfinder, there are LOTS of choices).
But my DM mentions cost not because of the cost to buy PF2 material (though that's a bit of it). It's because he's spent so much on PF1 material already. It's an investment that he's not ready to go away from yet. And...he really just likes that system.
that is fair, and a totally valid argument. My counter-argument is that the lore books will still be useful and that the game mechanics are just so much tighter in 2e, that it is quite honestly astounding.
Another big difference that comes up with teamwork is the way crits work. You mostly crit by rolling 10 over the AC or DC, so if you get someone frightened 2 and flat-footed and get a +1 bonus on the fighter, the roll the fighter needs to crit is now dropped by 5. And given that critting attacks can itself inflict debuffs, you can begin to set up a powerful combat flow by linking abilities together.
*Hey Nonat1s, it would be fantastic if you could make a video where you guide people to different Pathfinder sites, like different PF-groups on Facebook, Discord, Reddit, Websites, whom to follow on Twitter, even other PF-TH-camrs etc. Guide us to where players can make characters, where DMs can find DM-support etc. Help make this fast growing community come together. This topic is in great need for new videos about it Asap. The time is here, the time is now!* 💪
An expansion on Archives of Nethys: Paizo used to have the rules on their own site, but AoN did it better, so they pulled their own pages and just link straight to AoN from their own site.
Difference #6: You get to play an ORC
Sorry, I mean you get to partake in ORC. My bad.
Good video, I'd like to add it makes life easier for GM, and shields are actually used in combat instead of just being a static AC bonus.
Love to learn PF2E. All the info you can throw out, the better.
Paizo make a a awesome work for the community of TTRPG players, I played Starfinder and I love the mechanics and lore, I acquire the Pathfinder world guide just to use and understand the ancient story of Starfinder and was the best thing that I could do. Paizo stay in my heart after I knowing of the existence that publisher. Here in Brazil DnD make a huge success, but after the ultimate news about new OGL I guess that situation gonna change.
One of the things that proves this the most to me is how they rolled out 2E. Paizo didn't just say "Here's the system, take it or leave it." They spent a YEAR sending out Playtest material to GMs ALL OVER THE PLACE. I think it was as simple as signing up on their website, though I'm not sure. But I know my local GM got into it. They'd send one-shot sessions with pre-made characters to run with your players, and then at the end they'd have a survey for every player asking specific questions like 'What'd you think about X ability from Y class? Was Z ability from N monster appropriate? How did the turn system work for you?'
I don't know how D&D did their playtests for different versions, but this one was clearly done with both an ear and a heart toward the community.
What are your thoughts on star finder? I really am tired of middle earth mystical ye olden days stuff never interested me but that’s what I’m pigeon holed into playing because it’s everywhere. I much prefer sci-fi
@@billable1861 Basically, in the first place, I believe that Starfinder as well as Pathfinder 2nd provide means of customizing characters that despite belonging to a class can be particularly unique at the first level. It is entirely possible to have a group of just a single class that are different from each other, this in a simple and fast way, without rolls, which in other systems can often frustrate beginners.
The variety of races available is very different from the conventional one, with interesting particularities even for humans, in this regard the creature books (Alien Files 1, 2, 3 and 4) also have more race options for characters who want to go beyond the that you already have in the basic module.
In Starfinder, the spaceship combat rules system is a lot of fun, as it gives players roles on board the ship, and each member can make a big difference to make the game interesting. The options for customizing space vehicles are as vast as for creating characters, being able to choose to take a ready-made model or customize it in your own way with manufacturing points. Not to mention the list of conventional vehicles that are also in the game. We cannot forget a fundamental characteristic for Sci Fi scenarios, the technology. At this point the list of equipment is very vast and complete.
The mystical side is there too, and blended very organically with technology. Giving the possibility of creating mysteries about the mythical and divine side of the universe.
The history of the Golarion galaxy setting and the worlds of the pact is very complete and cohesive, leaving room for a would-be game master to imagine where to start his adventures. If necessary, a game master can use one of the many ready-made adventures available in the Paizo catalogue, they are extremely complete and have a lot of extra information as a complement to what the basic module already offers. It's so easy to narrate stories similar to Star Trek, Star Wars, Dune, Battlestar Galáctica, Macross, and more.
Supplements are also great, in addition to telling more about the story of the scenario as a whole, they have more items, weapons, armor, spaceships and vehicles, as well as more customization options for characters, with new classes, themes and new mechanics.
Anyway, I tried to summarize the advantages available in the Starfinder RPG, and I'm not lying when I say that I could easily talk about much, much more in terms of the amount of things available if you want a complete system for those who like the Sci-Fi genre. I love this RPG.
Note: I don't work for Paizo nor for Editora New Order that publishes the system here in Brazil, I really became a big fan 😂😂😂
I hope I could have helped.
I was actually introduced to “dnd” through my dad who’s been playing it for like 25+ years and little did we know we were actually playing pathfinder, when I found out about dnd 5e I hated it because it was so different than pathfinder 1e, it lacked a lot of the complexity/ interesting rules so I stuck with pathfinder, then over the years I realized 5e was just too popular to not play if I wanted to consistently find groups so I made the switch and it grew on me, but it got stale after just a few years but I did appreciate some of the differences, there can be beauty in simplicity but I still felt a lot of the rules in 5e were too dumbed down to be fun anymore so my friends and I decided to do a whole “5.5E” overhaul just for our personal use. Then….recent events happened and I found this channel to hear the news on what was going on without realizing this was a pathfinder 2E channel and thus I fell down the rabbit hole and realized pathfinder 2E solves almost ALL of my problems with both dnd 5E and pathfinder 1E, just the right amount of complexity and customization imo
DnD has always been (as best as I can tell) an entry-level game with over-simplified everything to engage the largest number of players. Maybe I'm biased though... my favorite system was Rollmaster. AKA Death By Powerpoint: RPG Edition.
Hah I’ll have to look into that one, from what I’ve read of the 3.5E phb it used to be a lot more complex, but when they made 5E the dumbed it down to make it super new player friendly and as we know it worked and popularity boomed. Of course after you get used to it it becomes boring hence why I don’t know a single 5E table that didn’t use homebrew.
@@leenorman4140 Be warned, Rolemaster is not for the faint of heart. It earned the nickname "rulemonster" for a reason. We created some fairly serious excel spreadsheets to get level-up down under 30 minutes, combat involves at least one table lookup per roll, can extend to three tables in two books in some cases - more for spell resolution. We started photocopying the relevant pages for each character after a while, just to cut down on wear on the books. I had a folder with about 30 pages for my mage.
Fun times 😋
Oh, and beware of the watered down versions. Rolemaster Standard System (RMSS) is the real, excruciating deal. Accept no substitutes!
@@TheMonk72 wow that is a lot, thanks for the heads up!
@@TheMonk72 "Always has been" looks like you started playing from D&D 4e
3.5 is probably the most granular, detailed and convoluted rpg ruleset out there (and I mean it in a positive way): pathfinder was born as a streamlined version of D&D 3.5
For anyone feeling intimidated by Pathfinder 2e and it's abundance of options, classes, races, and archetypes, and the amount of information you would track on your character sheet, I would suggest Pathbuilder 2e, on the google play market for android, or if you're into Starfinder, Starbuilder also on google play. These apps are character building, and tracking apps that include all the rules for everything you pick for your character, and puts it into a completely easy to follow format that takes all the hurt out of character building and tracking for those who aren't used to the system. The apps let you share your character builds with others, and with Foundry, if you are someone who plays online for reasons of distance, health, or just convenience.
DND5E player (and a few oneshots DM) also looking into pathfinder here, and as most other people here also looking into pathfinder. Happy with the video and kinda got me excited to try out pathfinder! Thank you and please make more videos about the differences (and perhaps also some of the similaritites?) between DND and Pathfinder!
If you're going to do another one of these, don't forget to throw the degrees of success system in there. It doubles down on your explanations of conditions and teamwork and demonstrates why those seemingly small bonuses are extra important here. It also makes your character choices more meaningful because that extra +1 STR means the extra damage and accuracy for your Fighter but also may expand your critical threat range; something that would require magic items in other systems.
Most often it would not because of target difficulties creep (unless DM throws significantly lower level monsters at party). ACs and saves on monsters grow up, and god help you if you’ve decided to play with less than maximum in your main stat.
Every +1 matters because, with degrees of success, every +1 is a 10 percent chance at a better result.
As a goblin main, I reject the killing of Goblins!
I mean Pathfinder was born as a splinter from 3.5 which did not want to progress into the territory of 4e and ALMOST got destroyed by it... in the end Paizo were the good guys all this time.... xD and im not ashamed of having invested into Pathfinder 1e
Counterargument: Pathfinder's success forced WOTC to accelerate 5e's development.
@@bryanpritchett no no I mean xD it almost DESTROYED 4e xD I think my wording has been missunderstood
This video was very concise and really helped answer some of my questions about the differences between Pathfinder and 5e. Really appreciate the effort and this has now given me the impetus to actually try Pathfinder out. Please keep up the good work.
This video proves what I've always heard: Pathfinder has a ton more options while D&D 5e is simpler and easier to learn. The two systems are definitely made for different groups of players. Thanks for the info. I had no idea just how many more options there were to consider in Pathfinder.
One correction, D&D 5e is easier on the *players, not necessarily on the GM.
If you've seen the Taking 20 video that claimed PF2e combat has a problem with having an optimal set of actions you perform every round... That's actually wrong. If he had used teamwork in that video he would have been waaay more effective. Him using the same actions every turn wasn't optimal at all. In my experience PF2e combats are actually very dynamic and my turns often feel quite different.
For example, it's almost never a good idea to attack 3 times in a turn due to the penalties on making multiple attacks. Instead people tend to attack either once or twice. Then people use their remaining action for something like demoralising or feinting or moving (or both if they only attack once). And moving can be a really good idea. Especially against bosses. Bosses have a really high attack bonus, so they probably can hit you with all three attacks. Or they might have powerful abilities that require them to use all three of their actions to perform. If you can move out of their reach and they have to move to catch up with you then you have substantially curtailed their damage output. And in a boss fight the party has many more actions than the boss. The bosses actions are much stronger, but they have less. So if you can get them to waste actions you are making big tactical gains.
Hehe, that video is practically a meme because of how wrong it is
Take20 video has to be him trolling. I mean, no one is that obtuse in reality, are they? What Pf2e three action economy does is present the player with options, and he decided he didn't want options. I mean, why?
Bruh. That Clue poster needs to be level.
Omg
I've always been curious about PF2e, but thought more like "I'll check it out sometime". But now, after being pushed for *obvious reasons*, and finally checked it out. I only regret I didn't do so sooner!
This level of balance and customization! It's so much up my alley I'm shocked I didn't come across it before this
First of all, this video is wonderful. I appreciate how you approach these topics with sensitivity; there's no "PF2e does this better." Sure, you point out how it's different, or might have more options, or might be less complicated or whatever. But there's no "system A is better than system B." One of the reasons I've been following you since pretty much your beginning is that you're a stand up, class guy. And I appreciate seeing that continue with how you choose not only to stick out your hand in greeting, but to also understand system wars is not a thing this entire hobby needs right now.
I definitely think you should do a Part 2. I would imagine one thing that will make the list is the monsters themselves, both for the small but flavorful mechanical options (I know Owlbear is a common comparison here) that make them feel more dynamic and fun to face for players, and the balance they bring compared to the party which also makes things very easy for the GM. I was watching a video from a gentleman on the DM Lair Channel, titled, "Disappointing Boss Battle To Legendary Showdown." The video was about just that, converting low level types into tougher fights. But his beginning story about trying to figure out how to better balance a creature for his party during a fight (often by just adding more hit points) quickly reminded me of my own time with 5e, and how it served as one of the reasons for stepping away from the game altogether back in 2017. In three and a half years of PF2e, I've never once had to fudge any of my enemies to make it a better balanced fight for my party.
The second thing that might make the Part 2 list is the XP system. Given that at any given level, you only need 1,000 XP to move on to the next level in Pathfinder 2e makes it pretty different than 5e (at least as far as I can remember). For players it's probably not going to matter--after all, as long as you get your XP you're a happy camper, lol. But my god, as as GM it's just so much easier to build encounters for the party. The tables are already done for you, and make it easier for you to decide how you want to put together your enemy encounters, etc. I've had a fair share of 5e GMs give Pathfinder 2e a go as a player, only to migrate over completely and branch out as a GM once they realize how much easier running the game can be.
It's worth mentioning that I've seen indications from 5e players in the comments sections of some of the more recent PF2e videos that there is a 5e GM shortage. I can't speak to whether it is true or not. Maybe a 5e player reading this can confirm this shortage and/or offer more insight? Regardless, perhaps the complexity of running a 5e game is partly responsible for any shortage, and something potential GMs (for any system) should know? Maybe? I don't know.
Oh, and maybe some combination of Tags, with explanation on how they work and how it makes things easier for players and especially the GM.
I don't know, I could go on and on.
I would love to support Pathfinder -- because phooey on Hasbro -- but everything I read and hear about it makes it sound like a super-crunchy min/maxer's paradise, and that is not how I like to play (more of an OSR guy). But more power to ya, and good luck standing strong against the jerks at WOTC.
Not really. The system is balanced to the point that an optimized build and a non optimized build are reasonably at equal power. What really determines power is how you play the game. You can't win pf2e in the build and you can't just solo encounters (except when... You know, they are made for you to solo them)
While our group loved the crunchy minutia of Pathfinder 1 when it came out, we now have careers and families and not a heck of a lot of free time and so we have grown a sincere appreciation for the mechanical elegance and simplicity of 5e, which doesn't get in the way of the narrative and which does not reward min/maxing to any significant degree. That and the fact that leveling a character takes minutes rather than hours. We REALLY enjoy that bit. I'll revisit my PF2 material--bought when it was published and then never touched--but honestly it will take a fair bit of f*ckery on Hasbro's part to get us to abandon 5e at this point.
PF2e is overly crunchy for what the game is trying to do.
Personally, I'm going to Worlds of Wonder which has modern D&D sensibilities. And there is a completely free version.
We're all here for the same reason. Thanks to helping me and many others jump ship before D&D falls to WotC's greed!
Man you made me really hyped for playing 2e, PLEASE make a second video, it looks really cool and I hope I can find a table to play it
Will be digging in to your back catalogue and looking forward to more like this
Spent all weekend converting our 5e twitch stream game to 2E just in time for tonight ! Great video as always dude !
I... recently got into Pathfinder from 5e (👀)... so I'm playing around, learning about mechanics etc, making my first character. And I'm flabbergasted already! Yes it is kind of overwhelming, but in a good way. It's not overwhelming because it's that complicated - pretty straightforward actually - but SO MANY OPTIONS. I absolutely love it.
One of my biggest gripes with 5e is the lack of lateral character advancement. You get your subclass at level 3, and (with the exception of the rogue) you have at most 5 feat slots that also compete with ASIs, which sucks. Major FOMO trigger. Not to mention they are wildly imbalanced, so if you don't take OP feats like "Sharpshooter" you're shooting yourself in the foot (heh, because you're not a sharpshooter, get it), at least mechanics wise.
PATHFINDER IS THE OPPOSITE. DID I MENTION THAT I LOVE IT?
I made my first character yesterday (with your character creation video from the PF2e playlist btw), a Half-Orc Human Barbarian with a Warrior background. I considered a Half-Orc Dwarf at first, and isn't that just delightful that I can do that easily, but I wanted an entry-level, as "vanilla" as possible first character to dip my toes in, so to speak. I am not ashamed to admit I SQUEED multiple times during character creation because the options tickled my thinkmeat in the most delightful ways.
One point that took some getting used to was the placement of the feats on the character sheet. Where do I put a half orc's lowlight vision and where does the Orc Weapon Familiiarity go? What's my "special 1st" feat, I thought that was under "Heritage 1st"? 😅 Still stuff to figure out I guess. Archives of Nethys is incredible!
Speaking of weapons - one of my squee moments - weapons having unique effects (on crits and otherwise) so that idk a greataxe is not just a reflavored greatsword? MINDBLOWING. I LOVE IT. Weapon traits are awesome.
Pathbuilder should automatically add your ancestry traits. Where are you building your character?
@@gosubilko manually 😂I'm using a PDF and go through it step by step, trying to understand the process before going to (half-)automated processes 🙂
If I was to add anything, I would also include the action economy. In DND 5e, you get different types of actions each turn. Move action, bonus action, and just an action. However, in pathfinder 2e, you get 3 actions. Everything you do takes some amount of actions unless its free. This makes it much easier to strategize and have far more potentially complex and significant turns.
Really good and handy video... Thankyou!
Planning on trying Pathfinder 2e... knew about Archives of Nethys... bought beginner box and the Core rules book anyway because I like books and may not always have access to the internet.
Nice video!
But I think you forget the +1th one. The big difference for GMs:
The encounter builder system (basicly the CR's equivalent) in Pf2 actualy works.
This video earned my sub and like. Good stuff, good mix of humor, info, and succinct presentation. Loved it!
Just subscribed and am looking forward to all the pathfinder content. Gonna try my hand at dming in pathfinder after playing (not dming) dnd all through 5th edition. Was always curious and all the wotc stuff is just the kick in the pants I needed.
I’ll probably never stop running 5e myself, but one of my players wants to start a PF2e game, so I’m learning the system as a player
Pathfinder 2e also known as Featfinder.
Thanks! I’ve been wondering about major differences between them and have been thinking of playing pathfinder. I have been playing 5e and I wanted to try something new, especially after what has happened.
The lore is free, legally and endorsed by Paizo, on Pathfinder Wiki
I like ttrpgs, but I don't usually get to play them enough to be dedicated to one particular system. That said, it's been a while since I did much with pathfinder. So when this whole recent debacle wound up directing me back there I was a little disheartened to learn there was a new edition and my current rulebook wouldn't work. Christmas had just passed and I didn't really have the funds to justify buying a new rule book. Then I watch your video and learn where I can find all the rules online for the full legal price of free. You are doing the lords work. Keep it up.
Took these Pathfinder features for granted as I started with it. Definitely feels like an upgrade from D&D 5e.
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Hello my friend I have been following for years ever since I have started running Pathfinder as GM. You Video's are coming in handy as for tool on teaching my student how to play and what the difference are compared to 5e. I am Administrator/ Advisor for the Gamers Club at a Community College. Table Top games have been a saving outlite to all of my 60+ students that have gone through are program. We just don't play tabletop game we help with the all of the colleges community events all year around. I would like to thank you for your work thought out this time you have put out all of these video's you have been helping all of my student create worlds and enjoy the company of fellow players.
Thank you.
I see your impression of Jacob from XP to Level 3 and I say, well done, nailed it xD.
Awesome video, I'm one of the many ORCs switching systems in these trying times. Keep them coming and thank you very much.
I bought the core rulebook with the advanced players guide and besitery I am ready to go!
Hey, how about a video about how the Golarion universe is different from the Forgotten Realms? Get people prepared for a setting that's, y'know... actually treated as a living world.
Excellent content! You deserve WAY more subs, brother. Keep up the great work!
I've been playing 5e for around 5 to 6 years now and I always wondered about pathfinder and how it was different but never looked into it. Now with the very obvious reason of looking into other ttrpgs this video is super informative. I honestly had no idea it was so different. Hopefully me and my friends can try it out along with shadowrun.
I think specifically for intimidating glare there is a penalty when you try to do it without the feat already
It's a -4 penalty of the enemy doesn't understand you. I don't see why the same penalty won't be applied if you just refuse to speak. ;)
Yes, please more differences between Pathfinder and 5E.
Hey great content man been watching from the bench for about year now and still loving my dude somthing that might be down your alley yall might look into is a sound track for your Sinclair stuff just food for thought
Heya NoNats! Amazing content (especially with all the dramatics and upheaval lately )
Can you maybe make a video on - What has been added since the initial release of the core rulebook. The supplemental books / new classes and where they are / the timeline of PF2E and what people might want to pick up as a player / GM ? Cheers buddy 🍻!
Yay!
1. The game is insanely GM friendly because the XP budget system for building encounters actually works well.
2. Math is tight and works. Every +1 matters, and -1 is a hindrance, especially because of how crits work (+10 above AC I'd a crit, 10 below is a critical fumble).
3. 3 action economy is a godsend.
Game's not hard. But this video is a good primer
I've started playing PF2e couple months ago. One of the major differences between PF2e and D&D5e I've found is how well the PF2e CRB is organized when it comes to navigation AND character creation. I really felt eased into making exactly the character I wanted to make as I've been gradually introduced to the mechanics and it was all enhanced by how smooth the process is going from chapter to chapter.
I absolutely love this video, while simple is slowly helping me understand the differences in this game. Do you plan on making anything for dms? I'd love to run this system for some buddies probably beginner box but still some tips would be nice !
The one thing that really saddens me is that the system is clearly not built for rolling stats. I love rolling stats, because it is such an amazing way to get inspired for character builds without feeling like I'm compelled to powergame when I have choice to allocate scores, and therefore should always boost particular stats for particular classes. Rolling is one another cool way to get inspiration for different characters that I wouldn't necessarily have thought of making before.
I have a complete opposite view, especially when it comes to balancing characters, but I understand that rolling for stats is fun for some people. There is an alternate rule for it, but as you said, it's built for choosing stats rather than rolling
There's an optional rule in PF2 for rolling for stats!
you can also roll some 2d6+6 stats and build a character as close as possible
@@poke_onix9235 the ability score system of 2E is essentially making the same characters over and over because you'll boost the same stats for a given class.
@@Imfil and? its not fun to play a gimped character anyway, all it affects is combat and skills checks regardless, so whats wrong with being good at what your supposed to be good at?
First comment lol
Frame this and hang it on your wall. You've earned it.
@@Nonat1s Legendary reply!
@@Nonat1s What's really funny is that I was at a doctor's appointment with my girlfriend when the video was posted. Now I'm in BK waiting for food.
Hope to see more videos for players new to Pathfinder. This one is very helpful. I'd love to see a video breaking down how combat is run with some examples.
I just picked up the Beginner Box for 2e, and these videos just showed up at an opportune time! I'm the designated GM/rules person of my friend group who is new to tabletop in general, so I guess I'm running this campaign for them. Thanks for posting these Nonat1s!
Wanna know how to distract from your video? Have 5 uneven pictures hanging on the wall behind you. Otherwise interesting thoughts.
Also love u can be a str based rogue and break some kneecaps with a club with sneak attack
I actually started playing pathfinder 1e back when DND 4 e came out. I haven’t looked into pathfinder 2e yet, but this was a great introduction
Hello Nonat1s :D
Nice Video :D
Right now we are gettin' started to try our first session of Pathfinder 2e and trying to get as much information as possible from the internet.
We are HYPED for Pathfinder 2e right now, it looks so interesting :D
Good video. I played D&D from 1980 to about 2018. When V 4 came out, the group I play with stayed on V3.5. Then about 2018 we switched to Pathfinder and are now using Pathfinder 2E. Took a while but, I love PF2e. The three action per round seems to me to allow more flexibility to the character while being simpler than the myriad of action variations available in D&D 3.5. The major differences you mentioned all seem to be improvements, though others might disagree. Though to be fair I haven’t played D&D V 4 or V 5 so cannot do a direct comparison.
Thanks for the information.
I kinda feel like point 5, the teamwork portion, kinda applies to the majority of all TTRPGs, including 5e. Bonuses from other classes, debuffs from other classes and action economy increasing with more individuals on a particular side.
Yeah, Action Economy issues are the same in either system. The last bit about Pathfinder's 3 actions/round making it matter more didn't even make sense (in an otherwise good video). Either way, 3 vs. 2 is 50% more actions (and reactions and bonus actions). Even Nonat got confused saying "that's 9 more actions" (9 vs. 6 is 3 more).
PF doesn't try to screw its fan base
For real, the frightened condition is incredible, and I built my entire Thaumaturge character around frightening my enemies, imposing a custom weakness on them, and then stabbing them really hard in the face.
Good thing that when we decided with wich rpg start playing we decided on pathfinder, cause friend of our group INSISTED we try it instead of dnd. That was in september of 2022, lucky me i guess.
4:10 I think you undersell the system here TBH.
The more interesting point IMHO is that you can have a 18 even if you don't take the archetypal ancestry for what you want.
Except if you take an ancestry with a flaw in the specific ability score you "have to" target, you're assured you can have your 18.
... And even if you take a counterintuitive ancestry, the last errata even make the whole "ancestry have specific boost" optional and let you just pick whatever you want (I'm personally not a fan, but I understand it sucks to have a character concept held back by the mechanics).
Loved the content of this video but I must say: your editing style is so fun! So engaging and entertaining
5e DM of 20+ years here. Just bought my first Pathfinder 2e book today and am hyped.
So far I’m loving the levelling and most of the feats but unsure about the different bonuses. So far I still prefer Advantage and Disadvantage for its simplicity but I do like how Pathfinder gives you more options
First off, I love your videos and started watching a month ago before WotC shit the bed. I only just noticed I hadn't subbed yet. This is fixed.
Second, I've taken it upon myself to run 2e for my play group. We're all on board to try other systems after again...WotC shitting the bed. As such, I just shared this video on our discord as a primer for differences between 2e and D&D 5e.
Finally, I LOVE your video format and the energy you bring in your videos. Keep it up, brother 💪
My personal favorite is that attack of opportunity is no longer a reaction everyone gets, but mainly "bosses" and mid level feats for melee classes that I found made my party, the dm and myself more willing and able to move our characters around the board and not just stand in one position the whole fight.
our group has been playing D&D together for over 5 years. we wrapped up our second campaign that lasted 3 years just before.... nothing at all happened... and so we're considering switching to Pathfinder for our third campaign. I'm intrigued. But, if you already have a character made, it is not easy to find analogs to the options in Pathfinder. So now it's time to try and start learning Pathfinder. Thanks for making this.
Haha well if you stick around, I have a "converting your 5e character" video coming up next week!
@@Nonat1s consider me stuck 😉
I spent an evening reading the whole core rule book, its a bit long, but it covers a lot. Id say the biggest head trip is character creation/abilities and action economy being different.