Palette 2 honest review - 4 colours for your existing 3D printer!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2019
- The Palette 2 can be added to any FDM 3D printer to enable four colour 3D printing. It cuts and splices together filament to make a continuous strand that is fed into the printer. Ping and pong checking is used to monitor filament flow and make adjustments mid print to keep everything in sync. At least that is how it works most of the time..
This is a very well made product with great potential. My best results (Prusa MK3) were fantastic and anyone I showed multi-colour prints to was instantly impressed. My worst results (Ender 3) were very frustrating with no clear improvements or answers. So far the tech support has been good so hopefully my Ender 3 issues are resolved.
I think the hardware is sound, so the necessary improvements can be made for free with firmware and software updates. I will make a follow up video with the resolution to my issues and more advanced multi material prints. I will also compare it to a budget dual extrusion printer: the Geeetech A10M.
The Palette 2 and Canvas hub was sent tome for free for the purposes of making this review. All opinions expressed are my own.
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You put far more effort into making this work than any seller could expect, and didn't flame at the failures. Once again, a manufacturer owes you for your expert evaluation
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Seems like impressive engineering but still seems very pricey and I just wouldn't use it that often. The purge blocks are alarmingly large though. Overall cool to see this technology is out there.
The purge blocks are large, sure. However they are always the same size , regardless of the size of the object you're printing. Not to mention that the block becomes more voluminous depending on how many switches you make.
You had me grimacing at “11 hours for a benchy”! Good video with both the good and the bad being discussed while still being encouraged by what the future can be.
You always give very nicely detailed instructions as well as not sugar coating your reviews. Your channel is great man.
Thanks very much.
Your experience mirrors mine. Lots of potential, with limited realization. I put it on the shelf for now and will try again after a few more updates.
Interesting product
I've heard about the same hit n run before
Thanks for sharing😀👍
Thank you for honesty.
Joel the 3dpn will tell people to buy anything if someone sponsors him.
You are consistently reliable and I appreciate that.
Thanks for your honesty!
no matter what, all that waste... toolchanger is future
Very good review. I feel like 3D printing can be somewhat finicky anyway and adding this just multiplies the number of things that can potentially go wrong. Kudos to them for such a clever idea though.
I want to live your life! I wish I could play with all those awesome toys! Thanks for bringing us along!
Next bonus period I think I’m gonna grab one of these. Even if it’s buggy I’m confident they will work it out.
I glad you did this. I was thinking about getting one of these but maybe not now. I would love if you did a review of a diamond hotend. It's something I recently found as an alternative to the pallet. And since you can do color gradienting with the right setting I though it might be better for cheaper.
Your videos have helped me a lot and I really appreciate it. My ender 3 is pretty cool now, silent and double the base hight. If it wasn't for your tutorials I would have no idea how to modify marlin to my liking.
Great review here Michael! I think the real value in this device is in adding soluble supports or different materials into a single extruder printer. If you really need multiple colors, priming and painting is a better option IMO.
That is coming in part 2.
Great review, but way too expensive and fiddly for me. Ill wait until they drop the price and iron out the bugs.
Glad I saw this video now will note it.... thank you wait for the new one
I had those problems in connected mode. Accessory mode works for me. I actually love it for what it is but I use it way less than I expected.
Firstly great and honest review, i have found that just redoing the model into sepparate pieces and printing the pieces sepparatly is a better option at this time. The price of a pallette is just not justified atm, plus the wasted filament. Again thanks mic.
I would have to agree on that aspect too, even though I'm wowed by the technology that makes it possible.....just too complicated for when things go haywire and new technology soon makes it out of date...….printing separate parts is simple and you get perfect results even if you have to spend a bit more time to do it. I think if a multi filament work head was designed or invented it could do the same but simpler.
Entirely too expensive. It's literally double the price of many 3D printers. Why does Mosaic think that's even feasible? The waste blocks are huge... And you have to pay EVEN MORE for an extended warranty? No, totally not worth that kind of money.
Great review; thank you for being very clear, factual, and precise with your review.
Excellent review, please do a follow up with the resolution when you can. It is far more valuable to show us the problems and fixes that are part of the real experience with these devices.
I hope you get to use the new Prusa MMU2S, I have had this running for about 5 weeks. It is "now" very reliable, it took several jams for me to fully understand what was going on and develop quick fixes. I haven't lost any print jobs as the clearance is simple and the resume is reliable, it generally occurs when it is extracting filament and the material has "torn off" in the head not forming a clean tip. This is a function of material and temperature (and probably moisture).
Thanks for the great review. Were you ever able to work it out? I would love to see an updated video.
Great review! Very informative. Thank you. Might the synch issue come from a bad connection on the ender 3 side or a weak processor in the ender 3 after all?
That looks so amazing! If only wasn't that expensive, thanks for the high-quality review.
I think it's cool but the price is a bit high for me.
A machine that allowed you to make custom color Filament by blending several filaments or mixing plastic pellets on the other hand, now that would be awesome.
Great review! I was thinking about one of these, but for the money and problems I might as well get a Diamond hot end and support electronics and get full color (5 color Diamond). Probably will take as long to get working properly 😜
When I first got my Palette 2, I would have inconsistent results like this. I could get the calibration prints perfect and then a fairly good print and then the problems. What the issue was for me is the print speed was too high in the slicer and the output buffer would under flow. The Palette couldn't splice the filament fast enough. The Palette 2 has a lower maximum feed rate than the Palette 2 Pro. Once I got the speed right, the output buffer stopped under flowing and the prints came out perfect. This was with my Prusa MK3 and Printrbot Simple Metal. I wasn't able to test it on the Ender 3.
As for the purge block, I am doing the Bear Upgrade on my MK3 and after I move, I was planning on making a slight change to the Bear by adding about 10mm width to the X axis so I could add a purge bucket. That would reduce the waste a lot.
Thank you! I don't really desire multi-color these days, but was really curious where the technology was at for maker-class devices.
Hey Michael, Great review as always. I do agree it has some serious potential and the mechanics are mesmerising to watch. I have always had my reservations on repeatability, which you clearly suffered too. I hope to see you get all the issues resolved.
I had the exact same problem. Went back to calibration. Manully Ran clear filament through till it ran clear. Then went through calibration, being very careful on when the color changed (on mk3 use settings/axis/extruder. Did a few key chains and earphone holder. all good, saved each print results. I have not had a problem again. When I first set it up I was using the load filament command. I think that is what was screwing everything up..... at least for me
So after owning a cr 10 .. and ender 3 .. i just ordered a brand new ender 3 with a palette 2 pro .. after a successful un packing by "just Vlad" on you tube i watched this video. the only difference i could see out of the gate was Vlad uses a special post purchase printed filament guide with a metal insert .and doesn't use the standard filament attachment . I enjoy your video's and will let you know my failure or success.. thank again
I purchased one and after messing with it and constantly having issues with huge purge blocks filament breaks and other issues sold it for a song. I now print anything that I want to add multiple colors to in white PLA and air brush on the color. Advantages are that it is far cheaper, I can add as many colors as i want, I can shade and blend colors, and it is great fun, and no one ton purge block collection.
Hey Micheal! Great video as always! Would be so cool if you could get your hands on a Zesty Nimble! Would love to hear your thoughts!
There is one coming when they are back in stock. Will be going on my Ender 5.
Glad I watched this. Have been wanting to buy one of these, but cloud based software? That's an immediate never buy.
TheUnFoundBug there is an other software named chroma, you can use the palette with
TheUnFoundBug there is an other software, which is offline, named chroma, you can use the palette with
Never ever ever ever never ever!
great review, have been looking at both mmu2 and this, still holding off , a bit to much issues on both if you ask me
Sounds like you did more Beta Testing and Troubleshooting than enjoying a finished product. How frustrating! I am really curious if this device could utilize PVA filament for water soluble supports in your prints?
Great and honest review. The hardware looks solid but unfortunately the software issues are definitely an impediment. With the community's help I hope they can overcome the frustrations after spending $500 on this hardware. I was tempted to buy one when they had them on sale but I had concerns after reading the user community mixed feedback. Your Ender 3 was heavily modified including a direct drive extruder and I'm wondering if that may have contributed in part to some of your issues. This really is a game changer. I think one integrated piece of software would be a better solution. Jumping between software packages with different revisions might lead to problems.
Excelente explicação, fiquei impressionado com a tecnologia da Pallet2 Pro, acabei comprando de um distribuidor aqui no Brasil, achei que mesmo não sendo um especialista em Impressões 3D conseguiria usar a Pallet2.
Fiz a calibração da Impressora e em seguida iniciei a Pallet2 Pro e não tive sucesso nas impressões, os problemas que encontrei foram exatamente os que você menciona no seu vídeo.
Acredito que essa tecnologia ainda vai ter sucesso, se você conseguir melhores resultados continue postando, parabéns pelo trabalho.
I don't know if this technology has a future. It's expensive, has a huge waste of plastic, and is very unpredictable. Prusa MMU2 has similar problems. I had to downgrade my MK3 to become happy with my prints again.
@teachingtech honestly you have to do the 2step process using s3d and chroma. I was using the canvas and it will always color swap. once I switched to the other method I haven’t had issues. If I did i issues it was with my ender 3
You are a saint. That thing looks like a nightmare. Waiting to see version 3.
I hope they put more work in on the purge block. I've watched a few reviews so far and it seems the Pallet purge tower is much larger than the Prusa tower, even ignoring some of the extra features the Prusa solution offers. It would be neet to see a comparison of the two if you ever get an MMU2s
Yes I agree. There are other community developments I will be trying that save on purge.
Just to give some advice, I've been testing the palette 2 pro for abs/hips D&D character + full support and what i've found is that the reason the color fails for me is that the filament starts to jam when switching the filament. I haven't found the perfect settings but my guess is that we both need to spend more time with the splice settings. Really get the diameter of the splice dialed in. Also it is possible that the palette is overheating the material & degrading it. So maybe try a lower heat. Though I really think the issue is just the diameter of the splice.
A note on the Canvas Hub. The octoprint installation it ships with has no drivers for a USB camera. I disassembled mine, cloned and inspected the installed PI + octoprint software to confirm this. It also has no login password to secure it within your home network. As a result, mine sits unused in the box. Cannot recommend as it is more fully featured, secure, and cheaper to DIY with a better rasperry PI and the free plugins.
Amazing video buddy :)
I do own a Palette 2 and I love it, but it can be very fiddly. The Mosaic team is very helpful and the Facebook group is s great source of information. Mosaic's Canvas slicer still needs a lot of work though. I've seen people doing side transitions to eliminate the purge block or even creating a purge item when printing multiples of the same item. Other slicers handle that better than Canvas. Like you, I had huge troubles getting it to work with my Ender 3. I switched over to my heavily modified Anet A8 and it is working much better. I'm going to be converting my Ender to a direct drive using a Zesty Nimble as soon as it arrives, among other updates, which hopefully will make it work much better.
Thanks for sharing, great info.
Are you still happy with it / actively using it? Thinking about getting one for a project but the cost has me leary
I'm really surprised how well thought out and mature the software, packaging and support. Not really worth 600 to me right now though, I'll stick to colloring my it post print for now.
Hi there and thanks a lot for all your fantastic videos. Did you finish the troubleshooting and manage to get better results at one point. I'm testing my Palette 2S Pro for 6 full days now and the problems are just accumulating.
The error looks totally random, like it's using the model as the purge block. You would think through the eye you would get a similar fault past it on each layer, but each layer is different. It's like the scaling and sync between the two is totally out, or something is producing noise in the line that makes the P2 pick random colours. Maybe it needs a filter on the mains or any connection between the two.
After a couple of months of ownership of Palette 2 Pro. I have to say the Palette relies on the accuracy of the extruder heavily. The bondtech gear for MK3 is the crucial part for accuracy prints.
This might explain why MK3 performs better than CR10/Ender, as a lot of printers still use Bowden extrusion methods which has the inconsistent drive for the filament.
In their FB group someone complained about the CR10 with Palette 2 combo, but most of the MK3 users are happy.
Also SD card method is not the recommended way for the print as the ping and pong (communication/sync) are dependent on short pauses for the printer. Octoprint works better and it acts as a bi-directional agent during the print.
Overall I am quite happy about Palette 2 but I really wish they can do more colors, like MMU2S can do 5 :-)
looking at purchasing the palette 2 myself just wondering if u ever got to grips with the calibration issues
RE: 12:06 Until now I've never been able to get it to work reliably on anything but direct drive printers (Prusa, MakerGear, etc), well it works perfectly on my Crealities and AnyCubics only if I print at constant speed and never retract. My current hypothesis is that the varying pressure in the Bowden (from all the retractions and speed changes) causes the misalignments (confuses the Pings and Pongs). On my Prusas and Makergears large and tall prints come out flawless. My favourite feature is the multi spool function for doing super large prints (2-3Kg) on my CR10Max, and joining all those left over bits of filament.
It's probably gotten better over the years, I'd hope at least. It's a great idea, though it seems to waste too much filament and fail too much.
A direct drive extruder that could do all of this would probably waste a lot less filament. I've a few off the cuff ideas on how that could work (linear motors and a hot motorized knife to angle a tube between 3-4 pieces of filament and a retraction system that pulls out most of the filament in the hot end before cutting, ejecting (no need to turn waste time turning filament into a block, just move the extruder, retract, cut and eject into a waste bin cold, without extruding) and switching) but I'd need to draw them up and see if they would actually work. Multiple extruders seem to be the best option though.
You'd think they'd be able to program it where the amount of purging required would be calculated as a recommended infill and do the purging in the infill.
Great idea, most likely needs a year to grow.
I am looking at purchasing one of these and was wondering if now after 4 weeks all your issues have been resolved.
Not sure if you have one, but a comparison between the Palette vs Prusa MMU2S would be good. I was hoping that for the price and splicing of the Palette that you wouldn't have a waste block.
Unless they reduce the price, it's just too expensive for most. Looking for to your upcoming Geeetech A10M comparison vid. :) Thanks!
The coincidence: eating strawberries with a milk-syrup while watching this movie :D
I'm sure some people have a use case for this but I cant see spending that kind of money that will just waste huge amounts of filament and add unnecessary complexity to get 4 colors. Far more impressive work could be done with $500 in paint and post processing the single color print. Shoot you could pay someone quite a bit to paint models for you before you got to that kind of money with just 4 colors. REALLY appreciate you doing this video it certainly points out this technology is not ready for prime time. Very impressive technology though.
"Build it and they will come" may apply to ball parks, but not necessarily to Golbergian gadgets.
The purge blocks are shockingly huge for multi color print... I was thinking it might be a better way of printing without worrying about running out of filament if you use the same color. Surely using the same color wouldn't need to use a purge block... right?
are you able to take the filament after splicing and put it on a spool to print at another location or do you have to print directly from the pallet?
Could you do a comparative between this and the prusa mm2 ?
It seems like it works better with the prusa MK3 than the ender 3. I've had nothing but frustrations setting this up with my ender 3 pro
If you download an item from thingiverse, let’s say a coffee mug, can you add different color stripes on the coffee mug. I am a little confused I thought that the only way you could print an object using multiple colors the object you are printing had to be designed to print in multiple colors. Great video. 👍
I have one of these, and it is kind of doing the same thing as your benchy. it is just skipping layers with the colors. what exactly did you do to fix that?
Great video. It's tempting but with large amount of waste most reviews are still average for usability and reliability.
Hi. Could you tell me if this product is suitable for Artillery’s printers? Can I use a filament for support and others for the figure itself?
You should have clarified, the purge block varies depending on amount of color changes and height of the model, so the comparison of "the purge block is heavier than the print" is deceiving.
When printing something small with many changes it is quite wasteful, but if you're printing a bigger model, or many models at the same time, the purge block remains the same and it's all more efficient.
Other than that, thanks for your review, and hope you solve the remaining issues soon
Any resolution to the Ender 3 print issues?
Still using purge towers? No thanks. Thanks for a great review!
You can use side transitions or purge objects by using PrusaSlicer and a script called P2PP.
Doesn't the purge block result in a lot of unused/wasted filament? What is the infill density of that purge block?
Should do multi colour add on alternatives, only ones widely known is Palette 2 and MMU2, but sure there must be cheaper alternatives.
I don’t see why the hell purge towers are being used. I’d be fine with some fade between colors if it saved material. For that price it should just work.. great review as always tho
I think a cool feature in the software would be to have the purge block be another model instead of just a wasted cube.
thx for your video! now i know the palette 2 is no buyingoption because of the software is online the incompatibility and the huge waste of material so i think it will be another printer with 3 in 1 hotend insteed
I believe the future is in print heads which get white filament in and then add colors from ink tanks to the molten material just above the nozzle. This allows for unlimited colors, gradients and creates no waste if calibrated correctly.
MetalheadAndNerd like the DaVinci color? The 3D printing professor has one of those. It looks promising but the colors are a bit faded. I hope they improve upon it, because it’s pretty cool. The biggest advantage to using multiple filaments though is deeper and more vibrant colors that go throughout the material so that they can be finished. I think though that we’re gonna see people moving away from single hotends for multi-material. Too much waste and it doesn’t really save much money on hardware. If the prusa mmu is 300 and this thing is twice that, then IDEX and tool changers aren’t really that expensive when you think about it. I think that’s really where multi-material is going.
@@scottjackson2812 Maybe it could also be an option to have a color ink jet unit next to the nozzle and spray the color the moment the material leaves the nozzle. This would only be superficial but all mixing issues were avoided.
That kind of tech would be much more failure prone because you cant simply take white filament and add dye near the nozzle, you need to melt and mix the plastic and dye to get a uniform color.
So essentially you would have the same issue here which would be a box that creates multi colored filament that feeds to the print head.
Either way, you would still need a purge solution because of the residual plastic that gets stuck in the filament path of the hot end.
@@viet0ne The shorter the mixer path is the less purging is necessary. The slicer could user this material for infill.
@@MetalheadAndNerd it wouldn't reduce purging because the residual plastic is primarily because of the melted plastic in the print head.
I would argue that a mixing and melting of plastic and dye at the hot end would force even more purging because you would be purging residual dye instead of just residual plastic.
And the video already addressed that you can enable options to purge in infil instead of the purge block.
Is it possible to set a different waste area for each color? If that's possible, you could recycle the waste...
1.3K Liker!!! Congrats!!
What printer is that at 15:06? Looks like an Ender 3 but I don't get a color screen? What mods did you do and have you done a video on these mods?
I have many, many Ender 3 mod videos, please check them out.
If you're in Australia, with the poor Australian dollar and the shipping amount, it almost doubles the cost and I don't know about anyone else but my budget doesn't stretch that far. Plus the fact that from Michael's experience it seems a bit flaky still. Would be great if they were a few hundred dollars cheaper and easier and more reliable to use.
It's not cheap but some people it might be exactly what they need to produce products for their business.
@@TeachingTech I think the item is priced well, it's just the poor exchange rate and the 10% gst which forces up the price.
Well, it can only get better the longer it's used and updated.....look at how the 3D printer has evolved...…..upgrades do make it possible to get better provided the upgrades are reasonably priced and don't entail a complete or almost total scrapping of most of it. @@pete3300
Mmm to pricey for myself and I don't like wasting filament in the purge blocks.. I can't help thinking how to make separate parts for different colours and click or glue together instead....Laurie
In theory, shouldn't the fusing of filaments not require purge blocks? One would think that through the software it should know exactly how much filament is needed between color changes. Ultimately the printer would then not care and just print thinking it is just a single filament once everything is dialed in. Seems like an expensive option given that it still requires printing large purge blocks.
Can it splice , to print later , eg if you have a farm and need many of the same?
Does it do multi colour or is it also good for multimaterial?
I see the all the pings are being missed try motion pings that is only in chroma right now I think they might put that in canvas later
do you think it is possible to change the purge Gcode to a part Gcode so as to save that plastic?
You can do it with Slic3r and the P2PP plugin created by a community member. No need for Chroma or canvas anymore. Just slice and upload like anything else.
No matter what multicolour unit you use they all have a purge block cant get away from that. It seems like for me I'd be better off sticking with the MMU2, some people have found it bullet proof and have had no problem, same with the MMU2.
What they should do when there making the waste pile they should instead of wasting as a cube they should use the waste to make a cool random print instead of wasting it!
10:42 Wich is your extruder mount for ender 3?
I love the concept but those purge blocks are a dealbreaker. The printers with the tool changers aren't that much more then a printer plus the pallet. Add in the waste material and over time it's much cheaper.
You might be better off with the pallet over multihead printers though because you don't lose the build space.
It's got potential but it's just not ready for prime yet.
Can one of your colors be a water soluble filament? That way you know I don't have to deal with support removal?
Did you make a follow up video? Where do you stand with this project?
I have the upgrade kit sitting here so there will be a follow up.
@@TeachingTech Great! Loved the first video. Thank you.
Hey mate did you notice that you get your splice good one day and then the next when the temp has changed your splices are junk again and you need to spend another hour tuning the bloody thing. Its so frustrating owning one of these things.
This is one of those times i am glad i am broke. Would have been very upset.
I really like this product but the amount of wasted filament really adds to the cost. You essentially have to figure you will use up as much or more filament than for your actual print. It's a great product but the cost and bugs is a hard no for now. Thanks for making a honest effort in trying to get it to work rather than just write it off as a buggy product. The stripped effects on the cases were VERY cool, but I would most likely airbrush any prints I made then it would be a waste for me right now. If it got to the $300 I might seriously consider it.
Any update on this? Has the major bugs been fixed
2 things i dont understand 1:) have we not found a way to NOT have the purge block yet? it just seams so much waste. I understand the need for the purge line. but why are we making this huge block when it should be as simple as a purging line or setting up the transition into infill. and my well lets just do that issue
Thanks for the review master :)
"The Pallet 2 will let you print 4 colors at once" ... At the low, low price, of 4 Ender-3s.
Or... One could have one printer for each color, right? Also print 8x faster (4x 'cus 4 printer, and 4x for not having a "transition tower").
I’m pretty sure you’d then run into issues with not being able to print multi-color models, which really depends on what you want to print but it can make a difference for people who like to make figurines, for example.
*water soluble supports* is another serious use of multi fillament printing.
It's still not Advanced enough for my needs I need it to mix colors in Gray deviations like my airbrush or my 2D printer
You might like to check out the Geeetech A10m and A20m. Dural extrusion but with colour mixing and quite cheap.