This index is a way for EC to not be in CSM so that when they get a codex, GW doesn't have to remove units from CSM codex (MY GUESS!) Other guess is - no EC for years, dont bother with their units..
There have been rumors the next "new" army for 10th was EC for 12 to 16 months now. Frist there were lots of hints to next demon primearch coming to the full army coming out; however, they couldn't determine an release date. Valrak thought it was this summer but then he got confirmation that AoS new edition was this summer, so minimum they are coming this fall or latest end of 10th. But most of these rumors that were right in the past was about a year at most ahead of time, so I say its the last big release of the year.
@michaelscholer1 it literally says in the article that it's not coming any time soon. You're going to be holding your breath a long time if you are really hoping for a new codex for EC even this edition.
I think you missread the community articel. It is saying that the codex for Emperors Children is far away, like the end of 10th or 11 Edition, it is not saying they wont get a codex. This exact thing happend when the other 3 god specific csm legions got their codex, they moved to the index for quiete a time
Their last statement seems to mean that they can't give an ETA and we shouldn't expect anything in the short term, but they FINALLY acknowledged they are working on it. If they weren't planning new miniature releases, they wouldn't have made the index. Most likely we'll see a big release at the end of 10th or start of 11th, likely 1-2 years from now.
Noise Marines and Lucius are being removed from CSM Codex. Just like Kharn and Berserkers were removed from the 9th Codex. This is confirmation that EC will get a Codex this edition. These Index rules will let you play your Noise Marines/Lucius models until the EC Codex comes out likely in 2025 or 2026.
Not really, Kharn was a plastic mini, berserkers was confirmed that they gonna get a new kit, on the other hand Lucious is out of production for years, and noise marines aren't even a kit, also GW is removing all resin kits from new codex, so they are basically saying that EC it's in the way to legends
The Emperor's Childen index is similar to what they did with World Eaters in 9th. They removed them from the codex as a CSM subfaction and gave them some rules in White Dwarf because at that time, it was already clear that they would get their own codex. My guess would be that an Emperor's Children codex is already being worked on (or maybe even done already) and will probably launch at the end of 10th (in which case, don't bother) or early 11th. It is a bit weird though that Emperor's Children seemingly won't get their own army- and/or detachment rule in the index. It seems like they just wanted to remove them from the CSM codex in preparation for their own codex, but didn't bother to give them some unique rules to actually make them relevant in the meantime.
That's easy, they don't have minis, lucious is out of production for years and Sonic weapons aren't even a mini, so GW kicked out of CSM codex all units without minis
Fabulous Bile rejoining Emperor's Children starkly contradicts the lore. He's a pragmatic in a legion of peacocks, shares a mutual disdain for said legion and their Primarch, and doesn't believe that the Chaos gods are gods at all. Thus Creations of Bile being its own faction in 9th made perfect sense.
I admire the time you invest into each model, especially basing, and painting. Jay, it's always entertaining to watch your channel. Wish you continued success.
Which is to say: its gonna come at the end of the edition, just like WE did. If it came with 11th they wouldnt need to pull those units, if it was soon theyd say it.
To this day, I don't understand why didn't they went with the Space Marine codex approach, and just made a detachment for each monogod legion. The could have used the army rules as detachment abilities.
I feel like they're being intentionally vague in some attempt to avoid spoilers for what they have planned. The most current codex roadmap has that redacted entry alongside SoB and GSC right after 3 similarly stacked codices for the spring that are one each imperial, xenos, and chaos. That seems to indicate that the redacted codex is a chaos army. And why hide it if it's an army that's already released? That eliminates the other 3 god specific armies, in my opinion. I think the EC codex is coming a lot sooner than most are assuming.
Fulgrim was a great book, currently 3d printing would be the best way to collect Emporors children, loggyk on cults used to have some but they've been taken down
The index is a way for you to still play EC until the full Codex arrives, they're telling people how to use CSM as EC, which you could do before the CSM Codex released, if Lucius was your Warlord, then you could use Noise Marines as Battleline units, you also had to choose Slaanesh as your Keyword for any Daemons The article is highlighting how to play EC with the current ruleset and why Noise Marines and Lucius have been removed from CSM This means that EC are getting a full Codex, but not yet, the index still isn't ready, when the index is announced, it will highlight some new units and will function like the other Chaos God Marines, we *will* get a new Lucius Model and a Noise Marine kit as well as other EC kits, just probably not right away, Similar to how Angron wasn't released until the end of 9thE
I think this may be "Index" that is basically EC stuff bundled in one detachment to use as companion piece with Codex CSM, so in case they'll get Codex GW can simply remove index and have both armies separate.
Seems to me like Emperor's children are gonna be like a divergent space marine chapter (you take stuff from the space marine codex but have your own special detachment you can take) similar to black templars who have the "No chaplains" stipulation Emperor's children get the "Only Slaanesh dark pact" stipulation it seems like a way they can keep Emperor's children out of the CSM codex so when they make a standalone Emperor's Children codex they don't have to redo the CSM codex.
It's weird to me that the Stormcast Eternal lore isn't reflected in either their model design or game mechanics. The fact they lose part of themselves every time they're reforged is a bummer, I guess, but I don't feel it. They seem like really powerful crusaders to me, because that's how they look and play.
There is nowhere in the article that says that EC are getting a full index.they are just releasing the lucius and noise marines datasheets online instead of putting them in the csm codex so that when they release EC in full at the end of 10th edition you dont hace EC in both its codex and the CSM codex. Its quite easy to understand if you read the article.
They call it "Index: Emperor's Children" in the article. And I agree with you that it seems like they won't get any rules beyond the datasheets, but that makes it a pretty deceptive title to give it. Should have just called it "Emperor's Children datasheets" since that's all it is.
They're taking the EC units out from the CODEX but not moving them to legends. Because Lucius and the Noises will be in Codex Emperors Children eventually. They're probably waiting to sell out the Forge World Fulgrim before announcing a plastic version for EC launch.
Yeah, the noise weaponry works with the new CSM. I didn't like the flat inside of the pauldrons, though, so I reinforced the edges with some thin plasticard, too give them some depth.
Jay is just a positive fun personality to watch. I don't even play Warhammer, as I'm all in on historical wargaming but damn do I enjoy watching his content. Keep up the good work bro!
there's a good chance that Emperor's Children will be the faction that Primaris-fy the CSM line, given the lore that Bile has managed to create Primaris CSM
Why do people keep talking about primaris chaos marines?? Basically half the range has already had a size update at this point, *after* primaris space marines were already a thing. Not to mention Fabius Bile has been his own dude not an Emperor's Children affiliate for ages.
Nope. Blood Angels have their own detachment with a detachment ability, stratagems, and enhancements. I don't think Emperor's Children will get one, otherwise they would have mentioned it instead of encouraging players to just use the other detachments in the new codex.
They are treating EC like the black Templars or any codex non compliant space marine chapter. This is Index supplement EC. Which is fine, but feels weird to chaos players because DG, TS, & WE are their own things and cannot be mixed like how space marines work.
Black Templars have their own detachment. I don't think this will have even that. It would be nice, but there's no mention of one anywhere in the article.
@@bravetherainbow true, but I bet it’s in the codex. Like with space marines there will be detachments for all the original legions. That will include EC. It’s BS that they will not just give us the rules for free as if you’re a EC player you are playing for a whole book to use 2 pages, but that’s a problem with all the codex releases this edition. They gave us all the rules for free. Only to take that away from us and make us pay for them plus new options
"Index Emperor's Children" really seems like a misnomer. Honestly I doubt there will be anything at all in it that isn't already in Index Chaos Space Marines. It will have the datasheets and... that's it. No detachment rules, nothing beyond "a guide" for fielding Emperor's Children, ie restrictions without any benefit in return.
The EC Index announcement seems to breakdown like this: it exists -> we're getting EC as a separate army with their own codex it's currently out with CSM codex -> GW needs to let us know for CSM and Daemons that EC is a separate army it's basically just CSM but flavoured -> GW doesn't have everything tooled out yet and are still figuring out their rules "the astropaths can't see anything yet" -> it's not the redacted codex, and they don't want to reveal stuff just yet
The Index means the codex is guaranteed. It was just a way to let people play stuff that is being removed from codex chaos space marines to go in emperors children eventually
I just hate GWs marketing strategy. Just roll out your release road. How hard is it? The only explanation I have, is that they don't know either. The y don't plan anything and just decide on a whim that "Hey, Steve? Can you whip up a new codes? Ug.. (roles a D6) Necrons! Oh we have that already... pff.. Chaos then, I don't care realy. Have it ready after lunch, will ya?"
I started collecting 40k again after over a decade of nothing. Decided to go with Emperors Children as I thought they'd be the next faction to be updated after Thousand sons, Khorne, Death Guard etc. After seeing this video, I'm dissapointed, I could go out and buy a chaos lord and convert it into Luciuos but I was hoping for a new model/models of Slaanesh. But hey, no doubt we'll get more blue boys really soon! Haven't had enough Space Marines 🙄
EC are dead, at least until end of 10th ed, all new factions were released in the end of the edition, knights and DW in 6th, GSC and TS in 7th, CK and Sisters in 8th, LoV and WE in 9th ed, the only exception was DG at the beginning of 8th, so a early 10th ed release its very unlikely, also people dont want a faction with just 4-5 units, so my bet is: no Codex EC at leat until latest 2025
"Detachments and stratagems is what gives an army its flavor" - notice how much 10th did away with flavourful detachments and stratagems. The fact they didn't give Emperor's Children unique rules yet doesn't surprise me. GW seems to be striving to disappoint lately.
40k 11th edition launch box is going to be [whichever primarch loyalist hates fulgrim most] versus emperor's children lol, and they are going to be those new shiny "primarus chaos marines" fabius bile made with stuff from alpha primus & the new stock of uncorrupted geneseed from deal with the necron guy.
Not buying into either of those battle force boxes for two generic looking lords. I'm in the process of converting and magnetizing my own jump pack lord right now. Saving big buy money for 4th ed aos launch
Sorry but don’t understand the confusion. They’re clearly planning to do a separate EC Codex later down the line so the simplest option was to remove their units from the main CSM codex now - otherwise they would have to release a second newCSM codex towards the end of the edition when EC get theirs.
My personal opinion, and it is my own. But I think GW is worried to go to hard with Slaanesh and EC in this day and age. Slaanesh has a "reputation" to be a certain way, and now any Slaanesh army has that tagline. (Sexy Chaos God) if they can manage to reset that button and focus on the finesse and way they were in 30K it we will see some amazing EC rules and lore.c I don't know. I'm ranting, but it's been my focus on the topic, GW put themselves in the corner with Slaanesh armies.
When I want to take a break from the trashfire going on in some part of the "fandom", I come here, to a wholesome, actually talented artist and it all seems so far away. Keep doing what you do, always brings a smile to my old face.
I read the end of the article as, Emperors Children are definitely coming but they are too far out to announce them. I’m not even convinced that they are too far away, just outside of the window where they want to announce a new army.
If there were no plans they wouldn't make a big article talking about giving EC their own index detachment. Their removal from the CSM codex seems like they're being set up for their own release (and even if they aren't, by your own admission they were just taking up space in the codex anyway and who cares if they're not in it). I feel like this take is just whining because you want everything now and GW isn't giving it to you, when there is a true launch for the army you'll get all the new models you think they should have revealed in this article. Have some patience.
Why does it take GW so god damn long to do anything? Shouldn't all these Codices be released the moment 10th drops? This is just endless early access for table top.
Magnus is not a bad guy! He's just misunderstood - he did nothing wrong. Story of the TS is always one of trying to do good and get praise by daddy (Magnus - Emp, Ahriman - Magnus) and ultimately getting shunned for it :D
I really respect jay for not mentioning much about fem custodies until he’s done his research. No matter his opinion it shows he has great love for the lore and he’s welcome to change
Jay: maybe he only needs two fingers? Michael Scott: that’s what she said!!! I bet the index drop for EC is a hype for the army coming this summer?? I have not idea!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!
This is basically what they did with World Eater's(not having them in the codex then releasing the army) and Angron/The Lion. So maybe Fulgrim and another loyalist? Leman perhaps if we're going off the emoji thing?
It's not that Emperor's Children codex isn't coming, it's just that it's coming towards the end of 10th edition, maybe the start of 11th (2025 at the earliest, 2026 most likely). It is, however, and shit teaser that I find hard to understand why they sent it out in the first place.
Is it possible that they've put this index out to sort of indicate that they're moving towards making new EC sculpts and models? It seems like they've just sort of announced it before they've really got anything to show yet!
12:00 it’s literally just going to be how the special loyalist space marine chapters work. The index has all of the chapter/legion specific datasheets, the detachment gets its own rule and stratagems, and all of the normal CSM units are going to be locked behind the CSM codex. I don’t get what’s so confusing about it.
I think the confusing part is how half assed it is. If the index is literally just the CSM index with only slaanesh compatible units and the SAME army rules? There's no point. You are literally just taking noise marines out of CSM and Abbadon out of this index. We can make jokes about how World Eaters lost a ton of chaos units when they broke off, but at least they have their own army rule and detatchment.
@@McFatson Again, it’s LITERALLY the exact same as loyalist marines: just like SM get oath of moment still, EC still gets dark pacts, but the index is going to get its own specific detachment rule.
@@B1GG33 it makes sense to me. EC haven’t been fleshed out with their own codex yet. They don’t have many unique units, they don’t even have their primarch back. It makes sense to me to simply have them as their own, free detachment, because it’s basically confirming that they’re getting their own codex and range refresh, because otherwise they would simply be locked behind the CSM codex as another detachment
What a weird take for EoB, it’s clearly that the CSM codex is coming out and Lucius and Noise Marines aren’t in it cause EC is coming near the end of the edition. So they made an index to contain those two units, it’ll probably have a detachment rule and strategems that aren’t gonna be the same as the actual EC codex detachments
Question from a complet newby. I started my deathguard and first army this week cause I love the visual but I also like the Angron modell. So my question is, is there a way I can justify having an angron in a deathguard army? Like i know from the poorhammer video that you can sup stuff into your army.
I mean it would be kinda difficult to justify but you could try to use angron as a mortarian proxy as the rules are you cannot put world eaters with death guard
@gamer23xd91 that's where the difficulty comes in as deamon primarchs are some of the biggest models in there ranges so there's not much else I could think to use
Just wanna point out, the Stormcast slowly losing their minds every time they reincarnate isn't something they started with Yndrasta, that's basically one of their main "things" about them.
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This index is a way for EC to not be in CSM so that when they get a codex, GW doesn't have to remove units from CSM codex (MY GUESS!) Other guess is - no EC for years, dont bother with their units..
yeah they did this with world eaters
There have been rumors the next "new" army for 10th was EC for 12 to 16 months now. Frist there were lots of hints to next demon primearch coming to the full army coming out; however, they couldn't determine an release date. Valrak thought it was this summer but then he got confirmation that AoS new edition was this summer, so minimum they are coming this fall or latest end of 10th.
But most of these rumors that were right in the past was about a year at most ahead of time, so I say its the last big release of the year.
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@michaelscholer1 it literally says in the article that it's not coming any time soon. You're going to be holding your breath a long time if you are really hoping for a new codex for EC even this edition.
@waltereadie3620 think about when tsons and world eaters released I.e. end of edition
I think you missread the community articel. It is saying that the codex for Emperors Children is far away, like the end of 10th or 11 Edition, it is not saying they wont get a codex. This exact thing happend when the other 3 god specific csm legions got their codex, they moved to the index for quiete a time
So the mystery codex is not emperors children or no?
@@stevief3796it’s probably not
@@stevief3796 mystery summer codex is all but confirmed to be agents of the imperium. pictures came from chinese factory GW uses.
The article say: we have nothing, so it's basically no EC Codex for now
Their last statement seems to mean that they can't give an ETA and we shouldn't expect anything in the short term, but they FINALLY acknowledged they are working on it. If they weren't planning new miniature releases, they wouldn't have made the index. Most likely we'll see a big release at the end of 10th or start of 11th, likely 1-2 years from now.
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Noise Marines and Lucius are being removed from CSM Codex. Just like Kharn and Berserkers were removed from the 9th Codex. This is confirmation that EC will get a Codex this edition. These Index rules will let you play your Noise Marines/Lucius models until the EC Codex comes out likely in 2025 or 2026.
I'm pretty sure you can still play Berserkers in CSM, no? Same with Rubric and Plagues
Edit: yeah you absolutely can, they're just as allies now
@@doombringer4519 Yeah, and now Noise will be the same. That's how they do these things now.
Not really, Kharn was a plastic mini, berserkers was confirmed that they gonna get a new kit, on the other hand Lucious is out of production for years, and noise marines aren't even a kit, also GW is removing all resin kits from new codex, so they are basically saying that EC it's in the way to legends
@@11AleZZ lol please bookmark this comment and come back by the end of 10th.
Emperor’s Children I think will likely be the 1st “primaris” size chaos marines w/the help of fabulous bile…since he has acquired pure EC gene stock
No. Novels have zero effect on the model designs.
@@MiniatureMasterClassthey do...
The Emperor's Childen index is similar to what they did with World Eaters in 9th. They removed them from the codex as a CSM subfaction and gave them some rules in White Dwarf because at that time, it was already clear that they would get their own codex. My guess would be that an Emperor's Children codex is already being worked on (or maybe even done already) and will probably launch at the end of 10th (in which case, don't bother) or early 11th. It is a bit weird though that Emperor's Children seemingly won't get their own army- and/or detachment rule in the index. It seems like they just wanted to remove them from the CSM codex in preparation for their own codex, but didn't bother to give them some unique rules to actually make them relevant in the meantime.
That sound eleventh edition starterbox to me, mark my words!
That's easy, they don't have minis, lucious is out of production for years and Sonic weapons aren't even a mini, so GW kicked out of CSM codex all units without minis
Fabulous Bile rejoining Emperor's Children starkly contradicts the lore. He's a pragmatic in a legion of peacocks, shares a mutual disdain for said legion and their Primarch, and doesn't believe that the Chaos gods are gods at all. Thus Creations of Bile being its own faction in 9th made perfect sense.
Patience Jay, patience. Emperors Children is coming just not coming imminently. It’ll be there by edition end
Sonic Weapons need some Anti-infantry abilities.
Sisters of Battle need:
1) Infiltrator Sisters squad 5 models with Sniper Rifles (Precision)
2) Flyer transport / Flyer Jet fighter (one kit two options)
3) Cavalry - Sisters on horses charging into battle
I admire the time you invest into each model, especially basing, and painting. Jay, it's always entertaining to watch your channel. Wish you continued success.
We need Eons of battle merch, t-shirts with “jimmin my jams, flimmin my flams and butter my biscuit 😅
If theEmperors Children are in a combat patrol, I'll buy it, no question asked
Theyre pulling the EC units from the general CSM codex and putting those few units in the index, as per index DA, index BA, index BT
Which is to say: its gonna come at the end of the edition, just like WE did. If it came with 11th they wouldnt need to pull those units, if it was soon theyd say it.
So, EC players will get to enjoy it for about 2 months before 11th drops.
@@williamings773 hey, if youre lucky im 2 months off and you get 4!
@@TheMartinator99 😯
I think their pattern is the new monogod chaos faction comes at the end of the edition so im not surprised they're not coming yet
To this day, I don't understand why didn't they went with the Space Marine codex approach, and just made a detachment for each monogod legion. The could have used the army rules as detachment abilities.
I feel like they're being intentionally vague in some attempt to avoid spoilers for what they have planned. The most current codex roadmap has that redacted entry alongside SoB and GSC right after 3 similarly stacked codices for the spring that are one each imperial, xenos, and chaos. That seems to indicate that the redacted codex is a chaos army. And why hide it if it's an army that's already released? That eliminates the other 3 god specific armies, in my opinion. I think the EC codex is coming a lot sooner than most are assuming.
It certainly seems like Emperor’s children should’ve just been a detachment option for CSM.
Fulgrim was a great book, currently 3d printing would be the best way to collect Emporors children, loggyk on cults used to have some but they've been taken down
My theory is that the Codex was at the printers and someone said "Hey, did we include the Emperors Children section?"
The index is a way for you to still play EC until the full Codex arrives, they're telling people how to use CSM as EC, which you could do before the CSM Codex released, if Lucius was your Warlord, then you could use Noise Marines as Battleline units, you also had to choose Slaanesh as your Keyword for any Daemons
The article is highlighting how to play EC with the current ruleset and why Noise Marines and Lucius have been removed from CSM
This means that EC are getting a full Codex, but not yet, the index still isn't ready, when the index is announced, it will highlight some new units and will function like the other Chaos God Marines, we *will* get a new Lucius Model and a Noise Marine kit as well as other EC kits, just probably not right away, Similar to how Angron wasn't released until the end of 9thE
'Fabulous Bill' so funny
Look up the memes, they're golden 😂
I think this may be "Index" that is basically EC stuff bundled in one detachment to use as companion piece with Codex CSM, so in case they'll get Codex GW can simply remove index and have both armies separate.
Seems to me like Emperor's children are gonna be like a divergent space marine chapter (you take stuff from the space marine codex but have your own special detachment you can take) similar to black templars who have the "No chaplains" stipulation Emperor's children get the "Only Slaanesh dark pact" stipulation it seems like a way they can keep Emperor's children out of the CSM codex so when they make a standalone Emperor's Children codex they don't have to redo the CSM codex.
It's weird to me that the Stormcast Eternal lore isn't reflected in either their model design or game mechanics. The fact they lose part of themselves every time they're reforged is a bummer, I guess, but I don't feel it. They seem like really powerful crusaders to me, because that's how they look and play.
There is nowhere in the article that says that EC are getting a full index.they are just releasing the lucius and noise marines datasheets online instead of putting them in the csm codex so that when they release EC in full at the end of 10th edition you dont hace EC in both its codex and the CSM codex. Its quite easy to understand if you read the article.
They call it "Index: Emperor's Children" in the article. And I agree with you that it seems like they won't get any rules beyond the datasheets, but that makes it a pretty deceptive title to give it. Should have just called it "Emperor's Children datasheets" since that's all it is.
I thought it was clear. It's a supplement. It's going to function like space Marines but for EC.
They're taking the EC units out from the CODEX but not moving them to legends. Because Lucius and the Noises will be in Codex Emperors Children eventually. They're probably waiting to sell out the Forge World Fulgrim before announcing a plastic version for EC launch.
I guess it will be a bit like Legends, but it's not technically moving them to Legends. It's basically keeping them in Index form for now.
They keep messing with the rules so much, I keep being pushed out of the game. I don't want to learn anymore damn changes. I think I'm done with 40k.
Good to know I'm not the only one who's always called him Fabulous Bill lol
How quickly we forget the entire range refresh for the Tyranids at launch of 10th. What’d we get like 14-15 brand new units, with amazing new models?
I've built legionarries with the Noise marine weapons, and tbf, they look pretty decent. They look their age but fine.
Yeah, the noise weaponry works with the new CSM. I didn't like the flat inside of the pauldrons, though, so I reinforced the edges with some thin plasticard, too give them some depth.
Jay is just a positive fun personality to watch. I don't even play Warhammer, as I'm all in on historical wargaming but damn do I enjoy watching his content. Keep up the good work bro!
there's a good chance that Emperor's Children will be the faction that Primaris-fy the CSM line, given the lore that Bile has managed to create Primaris CSM
Why do people keep talking about primaris chaos marines?? Basically half the range has already had a size update at this point, *after* primaris space marines were already a thing.
Not to mention Fabius Bile has been his own dude not an Emperor's Children affiliate for ages.
sry man i like your content but i have to go.
female"blackrock" custodes are not lore....iam out
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
Your videos always seem so negative.
Hell yeah, love you Jay
I still have an entire 30k army to assemble, let alone, paint. Also have Primaris Marines, but most are tabletop ready. So much work to do.😅😅😮
Storm cast externals kit bashing you got a awesome unique blood angels
Please don't do a video on the custodes bs you are still clean. Paint miniatures and play games.
He already did.
"Ruffle guy" would make a nice Rogue Trader
The EC index is basically what BA or DA get, they use codex stuff but can take index stuff
Nope. Blood Angels have their own detachment with a detachment ability, stratagems, and enhancements. I don't think Emperor's Children will get one, otherwise they would have mentioned it instead of encouraging players to just use the other detachments in the new codex.
Excited for EC!
Same!
These new necromanda's members.
Would be awesome conversion for the four arm emperor
They are treating EC like the black Templars or any codex non compliant space marine chapter. This is Index supplement EC. Which is fine, but feels weird to chaos players because DG, TS, & WE are their own things and cannot be mixed like how space marines work.
Black Templars have their own detachment. I don't think this will have even that. It would be nice, but there's no mention of one anywhere in the article.
@@bravetherainbow true, but I bet it’s in the codex. Like with space marines there will be detachments for all the original legions. That will include EC. It’s BS that they will not just give us the rules for free as if you’re a EC player you are playing for a whole book to use 2 pages, but that’s a problem with all the codex releases this edition. They gave us all the rules for free. Only to take that away from us and make us pay for them plus new options
"Index Emperor's Children" really seems like a misnomer.
Honestly I doubt there will be anything at all in it that isn't already in Index Chaos Space Marines. It will have the datasheets and... that's it. No detachment rules, nothing beyond "a guide" for fielding Emperor's Children, ie restrictions without any benefit in return.
The EC Index announcement seems to breakdown like this:
it exists -> we're getting EC as a separate army with their own codex
it's currently out with CSM codex -> GW needs to let us know for CSM and Daemons that EC is a separate army
it's basically just CSM but flavoured -> GW doesn't have everything tooled out yet and are still figuring out their rules
"the astropaths can't see anything yet" -> it's not the redacted codex, and they don't want to reveal stuff just yet
The Index means the codex is guaranteed. It was just a way to let people play stuff that is being removed from codex chaos space marines to go in emperors children eventually
I just hate GWs marketing strategy. Just roll out your release road. How hard is it?
The only explanation I have, is that they don't know either. The y don't plan anything and just decide on a whim that "Hey, Steve? Can you whip up a new codes? Ug.. (roles a D6) Necrons! Oh we have that already... pff.. Chaos then, I don't care realy. Have it ready after lunch, will ya?"
I started collecting 40k again after over a decade of nothing. Decided to go with Emperors Children as I thought they'd be the next faction to be updated after Thousand sons, Khorne, Death Guard etc. After seeing this video, I'm dissapointed, I could go out and buy a chaos lord and convert it into Luciuos but I was hoping for a new model/models of Slaanesh. But hey, no doubt we'll get more blue boys really soon! Haven't had enough Space Marines 🙄
EC are dead, at least until end of 10th ed, all new factions were released in the end of the edition, knights and DW in 6th, GSC and TS in 7th, CK and Sisters in 8th, LoV and WE in 9th ed, the only exception was DG at the beginning of 8th, so a early 10th ed release its very unlikely, also people dont want a faction with just 4-5 units, so my bet is: no Codex EC at leat until latest 2025
"Detachments and stratagems is what gives an army its flavor" - notice how much 10th did away with flavourful detachments and stratagems. The fact they didn't give Emperor's Children unique rules yet doesn't surprise me. GW seems to be striving to disappoint lately.
40k 11th edition launch box is going to be [whichever primarch loyalist hates fulgrim most] versus emperor's children lol, and they are going to be those new shiny "primarus chaos marines" fabius bile made with stuff from alpha primus & the new stock of uncorrupted geneseed from deal with the necron guy.
I would love to see a nude data card for Lucius the Eternal
Not buying into either of those battle force boxes for two generic looking lords. I'm in the process of converting and magnetizing my own jump pack lord right now. Saving big buy money for 4th ed aos launch
They are probably still working on the index. There will probably be more stuff in e future
ec will get a new codex released a few months out from 11th ed 40k like happened with world eaters
Sorry but don’t understand the confusion. They’re clearly planning to do a separate EC Codex later down the line so the simplest option was to remove their units from the main CSM codex now - otherwise they would have to release a second newCSM codex towards the end of the edition when EC get theirs.
My personal opinion, and it is my own. But I think GW is worried to go to hard with Slaanesh and EC in this day and age. Slaanesh has a "reputation" to be a certain way, and now any Slaanesh army has that tagline. (Sexy Chaos God) if they can manage to reset that button and focus on the finesse and way they were in 30K it we will see some amazing EC rules and lore.c
I don't know. I'm ranting, but it's been my focus on the topic, GW put themselves in the corner with Slaanesh armies.
Ehhh... fans always overemphasise the sexual parts of Slaanesh. Noise Marines have very little to do with sexiness.
Slaanesh retcon incoming. Less shreksual and more greed focus. Expect the Slaanesh demons looking more like serpents.
By my roots,
by my words,
by my twisted thoughts and innocent deeds.
She who thirsts will devour the galaxy.
we need jump pack cannoness so we can finally take them against after 12 years
When I want to take a break from the trashfire going on in some part of the "fandom", I come here, to a wholesome, actually talented artist and it all seems so far away. Keep doing what you do, always brings a smile to my old face.
I read the end of the article as, Emperors Children are definitely coming but they are too far out to announce them. I’m not even convinced that they are too far away, just outside of the window where they want to announce a new army.
Those Necromundans are gorgeous! You gotta buy those, and have a painting vid, pls. 😄
I hate being over watched by my friends Necron army. That one unit that over watches for free and hits on 2+. It hurts
If there were no plans they wouldn't make a big article talking about giving EC their own index detachment. Their removal from the CSM codex seems like they're being set up for their own release (and even if they aren't, by your own admission they were just taking up space in the codex anyway and who cares if they're not in it). I feel like this take is just whining because you want everything now and GW isn't giving it to you, when there is a true launch for the army you'll get all the new models you think they should have revealed in this article. Have some patience.
To me it feels like the index is just going to be a stat test for the codex the release in a year or so.
What the #$%^ are talking about with Fabius Bile being EC exclusive. He has had his own army list since the end of 8th ed with Psychic Awakening.
Emperor's children picture is so old that they used the old cadians for the promotional picture
Did you forget Kroot exist jay? Kroot lives matter
As a emperor's children player even though their is no real substance, i am so happy!
So you look at the three identical Stormcast release but not at new Clanrats that look all different from each other?
Why does it take GW so god damn long to do anything? Shouldn't all these Codices be released the moment 10th drops?
This is just endless early access for table top.
The index is a placeholder for the codex. It'll definitely be in this edition.
Magnus is not a bad guy! He's just misunderstood - he did nothing wrong. Story of the TS is always one of trying to do good and get praise by daddy (Magnus - Emp, Ahriman - Magnus) and ultimately getting shunned for it :D
I really respect jay for not mentioning much about fem custodies until he’s done his research. No matter his opinion it shows he has great love for the lore and he’s welcome to change
Ruffles guy would be an awesome rogue trader
Emperors children have always been hamsters in power armor
I listened to this episode while building some aggressors.
BLOOD ANGELS / SPACE WOLVES REFRESH INCOMING
From what I understand the Index isn't even out yet.
Would love to see a cowardly lion paint job on that dude!
We need more Star Wars content please! 😅 love when you talk legion!
love the sponsor at the intro. half as interuptive :)
Best line in the vid I “maybe he can do a lot with a little”😅
Fulgrim is the next Primarch to return.
Day 4 of asking for you to cover the iron snakes
Jay: maybe he only needs two fingers? Michael Scott: that’s what she said!!! I bet the index drop for EC is a hype for the army coming this summer?? I have not idea!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!
This is basically what they did with World Eater's(not having them in the codex then releasing the army) and Angron/The Lion. So maybe Fulgrim and another loyalist? Leman perhaps if we're going off the emoji thing?
It's not that Emperor's Children codex isn't coming, it's just that it's coming towards the end of 10th edition, maybe the start of 11th (2025 at the earliest, 2026 most likely). It is, however, and shit teaser that I find hard to understand why they sent it out in the first place.
Is it possible that they've put this index out to sort of indicate that they're moving towards making new EC sculpts and models? It seems like they've just sort of announced it before they've really got anything to show yet!
I'm pretty sure the index is just going to be a place holder for until EC codex comes out without GW having to remove CSM codex stuff.
12:00 it’s literally just going to be how the special loyalist space marine chapters work.
The index has all of the chapter/legion specific datasheets, the detachment gets its own rule and stratagems, and all of the normal CSM units are going to be locked behind the CSM codex.
I don’t get what’s so confusing about it.
I think the confusing part is how half assed it is. If the index is literally just the CSM index with only slaanesh compatible units and the SAME army rules? There's no point. You are literally just taking noise marines out of CSM and Abbadon out of this index.
We can make jokes about how World Eaters lost a ton of chaos units when they broke off, but at least they have their own army rule and detatchment.
@@McFatson Again, it’s LITERALLY the exact same as loyalist marines: just like SM get oath of moment still, EC still gets dark pacts, but the index is going to get its own specific detachment rule.
@@Hello-bp8dxthe problem is that the other 3 all have their own army rule, and so it is very odd for them to do this
@@B1GG33 it makes sense to me. EC haven’t been fleshed out with their own codex yet. They don’t have many unique units, they don’t even have their primarch back. It makes sense to me to simply have them as their own, free detachment, because it’s basically confirming that they’re getting their own codex and range refresh, because otherwise they would simply be locked behind the CSM codex as another detachment
Why didn't they mention a detachment of their own anywhere in the article? Seems like something worth mentioning...
OPR has codex for Lust Brothers
What a weird take for EoB, it’s clearly that the CSM codex is coming out and Lucius and Noise Marines aren’t in it cause EC is coming near the end of the edition. So they made an index to contain those two units, it’ll probably have a detachment rule and strategems that aren’t gonna be the same as the actual EC codex detachments
Question from a complet newby. I started my deathguard and first army this week cause I love the visual but I also like the Angron modell. So my question is, is there a way I can justify having an angron in a deathguard army? Like i know from the poorhammer video that you can sup stuff into your army.
I mean it would be kinda difficult to justify but you could try to use angron as a mortarian proxy as the rules are you cannot put world eaters with death guard
@@jacobfarias2335 Ok could I proxy him as something else too or would I just be able to proxy him as Mortarion?
@gamer23xd91 that's where the difficulty comes in as deamon primarchs are some of the biggest models in there ranges so there's not much else I could think to use
Just wanna point out, the Stormcast slowly losing their minds every time they reincarnate isn't something they started with Yndrasta, that's basically one of their main "things" about them.