New Index Emperor's Children Rules Dropped: kinda Rubbish but Hint at Things to Come...

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  • Let's talk about the Emperor's Children index rules that GW just published on Warhammer Community...
    Article here - www.warhammer-community.com/2...
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    0:00 Intro
    0:36 Emperor's Children in 10th
    4:12 Core Rules
    8:03 Lucius the Eternal
    10:07 Noise Marines
    11:33 Thoughts
    12:08 Possibilities for Codex Release?
    12:51 Outro
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ความคิดเห็น • 538

  • @FrankSGuerra
    @FrankSGuerra หลายเดือนก่อน +127

    It's not rubbish, and it's not not-rubbish. It's basically nothing.

    • @johnwalton287
      @johnwalton287 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That makes it rubbish

    • @carna-9501
      @carna-9501 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Its less than nothing! - Gravity Falls

  • @DaveMcMuffin
    @DaveMcMuffin หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    I see this as a way of telling people not to play Emperor's Children until it is its own army.

  • @memesofwarhemmer7076
    @memesofwarhemmer7076 หลายเดือนก่อน +175

    Emporer children codex: where is Eidolon where is he?
    GW: who?

    • @bradylow5196
      @bradylow5196 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      If I’m not mistaken Eidolon gets clapped by a random iron hands captain in Wrath of Iron

    • @Olsnapper
      @Olsnapper หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@bradylow5196 i read Eidolon still commands the majority of the legion, out there somewhere

    • @JuaraHippie
      @JuaraHippie หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Julius Jaesaron gets defeated in Wrath of Iron but is a Daemon Prince so just banished.

    • @bradylow5196
      @bradylow5196 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JuaraHippie ah, it’s been a while since I’ve read the book, just knew it was one of the heresy era emperors children captains

    • @tabplays4839
      @tabplays4839 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@bradylow5196 He got better, Fabius gave him his head back.

  • @gstellar96
    @gstellar96 หลายเดือนก่อน +269

    I really hope they do Emperor's Children right when they release officially

    • @ragnarokivae6136
      @ragnarokivae6136 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I hope they'll do it better than world eaters...

    • @drunkenastarte5243
      @drunkenastarte5243 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@ragnarokivae6136 Luckily for EC players, that's one helluva low bar to step over! ;-)
      1 Primarch, 3 infantry kits and 1 mounted character... that's all WE's got. Even 1kSons got more love than that!
      How much we want to bet WE's don't even get a release this edition?

    • @ragnarokivae6136
      @ragnarokivae6136 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@drunkenastarte5243 I think WE will most likely got the Berzerker surgeon that was teased a lot but I agree with you. I also wanted to start a WE army, but I don't like the eightbound and there are no unique Terminators atm.
      I really hope GW will release red butchers, Berzerker Cav, lord on foot and deamon engines

    • @krilc
      @krilc หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      They wont, it'll have all the same mistakes as World eaters rushed out at the end of 10th, you'll have 3 months to play and then time for 11th ed

    • @zamnodorszk7898
      @zamnodorszk7898 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Former World Eaters player here, who lost A LOT of minis in the "release":
      Don't get your hopes up.

  • @roboflex3162
    @roboflex3162 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    im sorry. i wished for an army with a lot of noise marines. i should have known that monkeys paw was cursed.

    • @seth4x4
      @seth4x4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I'm the guy with 60 noise marines, and this sucks.

    • @JordanR
      @JordanR หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @seth4x4 You can still field those 60 noise marines

    • @justaliteralgoat5639
      @justaliteralgoat5639 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You wished for something that wasn't promised? Damn

    • @JordanR
      @JordanR หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @justaliteralgoat5639 Only other time this was done, the army in question got everything from relics and traits, to stratagems and an army rule. Wasn't an unreasonable expectation.
      Not as much fun as ignorant sarcasm, I guess.

    • @humbertoharo6840
      @humbertoharo6840 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JordanR this time they can use all stratagems from the codex itself which is much more options than if they got just one detachment.

  • @leeksveeks4572
    @leeksveeks4572 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    They said in the preview it was pretty much going to be a datasheet for Lucius and Noise Marines? I think everyone fooled themselves into thinking it was going to be more.

    • @owensmith2995
      @owensmith2995 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What was the point of even moving them to an index though. Like it’s just chaos space marines but Lucius has to be in your army. At least give us a teaser like a detachment rule rather than just moving data sheets around

    • @justaliteralgoat5639
      @justaliteralgoat5639 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@owensmith2995 It's hinting at a more complete release later. They're clearly working on it since they had to make it an index instead of being baked into the CSM codex

  • @JoshBorlase
    @JoshBorlase หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It will come with two detachments. 1. Fast 2. Loud

    • @SarajevoKyoto
      @SarajevoKyoto หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You forgot 3. Hard and 4. Heavy

    • @teejay1646
      @teejay1646 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      God I hope they have actual variety and flavour and don't just feel like Drukhari

    • @SarajevoKyoto
      @SarajevoKyoto หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @teejay1646 I'm maybe a bit concerned there as well. The other three legions all have a certain identity, whether it be slow & durable debuffing DG, psyker-heavy 1k Sons or Oops All Melee WE. I'm betting they'll lean into the "rock n roll" part of EC, although the sex and drugs aren't completely off the table.

    • @teejay1646
      @teejay1646 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SarajevoKyoto Yeah I'm hoping it's a good combo of fast flanker units, good AoE spells/abilities based on music and some solid tanky options that keep things distinct from the elf factions that already for that vibe

  • @noelnovoalorenzo4361
    @noelnovoalorenzo4361 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

    Best index in 10th 10/10 made me cry

    • @brettmal5298
      @brettmal5298 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Admech is jealous lol

    • @Ynwell_theslaaneshi
      @Ynwell_theslaaneshi หลายเดือนก่อน

      That fucking index is just “I dunno, buy the csm to see what you get dumbass”

    • @Cannonhead
      @Cannonhead หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@brettmal5298Oh yeah, I would kill a man if my AdMech could get the, um (looks at index), uhhh...Heretic Astartes keyword?

    • @sheilasherret9596
      @sheilasherret9596 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Cannonheadthat would at least be funny

  • @seth4x4
    @seth4x4 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    They took my sonic helbrute, didnt even give him legends rules, and now that my rules are here, he's still missing. They really must hate me.

    • @albertofrankdiaz6664
      @albertofrankdiaz6664 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      "GW is real, and he hated us"

    • @web_082
      @web_082 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      yup they specifically hate you. nobody else. just you.

    • @Chris-jl6vp
      @Chris-jl6vp หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      As a Tsons player missing their psychic dreadnought while the blood angels still get theirs, join the club.

    • @disastrousdwarf
      @disastrousdwarf หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Chris-jl6vp As a GK player, also missing a box boi ;-; why did they kill the doom glaive dread we have fuck all anyway, and it could have a heavy psycannon and some nice melee...

    • @crayven
      @crayven หลายเดือนก่อน

      No model no rules ...

  • @andrewcarter4458
    @andrewcarter4458 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    And now we wait another year or two for a codex and a handful of new EC minis.

    • @Gnarlf
      @Gnarlf หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      But we will get Fulgrim though 😅😔😭

    • @stephennorako1807
      @stephennorako1807 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This index is so bad i now expect the codex this Christmas

  • @kronksstronkstonks6360
    @kronksstronkstonks6360 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    They looked at GSC Brood Brothers and went "do this but in reverse. I want the entire army to have less flexibility, not the added units." or in other words "Do this but more shit."

  • @TotallyNotJustCynical
    @TotallyNotJustCynical หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Just FYI, you still can't take Abaddon with emperor's children as him and Lucius both have to be your warlord. Kinda interestingly though, you can take Vashtorr.

  • @ngangkh
    @ngangkh หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Honestly it looks fine to me, especially since we can use the CSM detachments.
    I rather like the idea of Noisies taking -1 to wound at range while dancing about while melee Legionaries with Lucius and two heavy melee weapons go barreling in.

  • @GeekControl2MajorTim
    @GeekControl2MajorTim หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The sonic dreadnought could be the amp for your rock band army

    • @Fifthmiracle
      @Fifthmiracle หลายเดือนก่อน

      Man the good old days of the 3.5 Codex when you could put a Warp Amp on any vehicle.

  • @LordOffal
    @LordOffal หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    This feels like the worst of all worlds. As much as I want Emperor’s children to be treated the same as the other god specific legions it seems like they should be a start of edition release so that the base chaos codex can come out after and you don’t relegate a faction to detachmentless index.
    Chaos marines always needs to be an early index due to popularity but this solution just seems awkward.

    • @Dragonage2ftw
      @Dragonage2ftw หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why should popular factions always come early?

    • @LordOffal
      @LordOffal หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Dragonage2ftw They shouldn’t, there’s arguements to be made for less popular factions to go first but I’d probably say conventional wisdom would put be to service where there is higher demand first.

  • @dillonhansen3839
    @dillonhansen3839 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Man I was looking forward to having some unique rules and possibly even some model rule changes...my pain is immeasurable and it's not pleasurable

  • @F0RS00TH
    @F0RS00TH หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I would argue it is very much not what advertised. They said they would be issuing an "index", not 2 data sheets. An index has been established to contain faction rules and detachment information.

    • @bloodfest8510
      @bloodfest8510 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Agreed, this isn't an index, it's 2 sheets and restrictions.

    • @humbertoharo6840
      @humbertoharo6840 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Its exactly what they said it would have: lucius and noise marines, dark pacrs as army rule, stipulation to use the codex detachments.

    • @F0RS00TH
      @F0RS00TH หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@humbertoharo6840 The official blurb says "gives you the army rules you need to run them". That is not accurate. The army rule says "see Codex: Chaos Space Marines". That is not the rules to run the faction. That is instructions to buy a different book.

    • @humbertoharo6840
      @humbertoharo6840 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@F0RS00TH the article says to use sark pacts, which are printed for free in csm index.

    • @F0RS00TH
      @F0RS00TH หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@humbertoharo6840 I assume you do not play CSM, but the rule in the free index is not the current rule in the Codex. They changed how the pact mechanic functions.

  • @justink2426
    @justink2426 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I've always loved the aesthetic of emperor's children, and there's a shop on etsy with a decent range of stylized, although somewhat nsfw, e.c. units and chaos prince. Very much looking forward to making an army of them whether they're good or not on the table :D

  • @northerner3861
    @northerner3861 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    GW: Okay, so it's not ready yet, but-
    Us: WE WANT EC!
    GW: ... Fine, have this half-baked cake and shaddup, do you have any idea how long it took for World Eaters to be a real army? Now excuse me, I gotta go back to locking unit options and raising prices...

  • @KamenRiderGreed
    @KamenRiderGreed หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I don't know what we were expecting, I don't even know what I was expecting tbh. Considering what they did to World Eaters while they were stuck in the awkward limbo between their Codex and the release of the CSM Codex in 9th. But I know I wasnt expecting this.

    • @justaliteralgoat5639
      @justaliteralgoat5639 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was expecting what they told us, which is exactly this.

  • @Chunkypumpkinhead
    @Chunkypumpkinhead หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Noise Marines would be a ripping addition to Chaos Knight armies.

  • @tiberiumnp8030
    @tiberiumnp8030 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    This is clearly a placeholder that had to be published because of how the CSM codex was done. Relax everybody. In all honesty, the ability to include any CSM unit within a god-specific chaos army already makes it so that EC has the biggest range available. 😅

    • @silentascari2180
      @silentascari2180 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Ironically it already has more unit access than world eaters 🤣

  • @AxelsAndGears
    @AxelsAndGears หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    For a MILLISECOND there I reascended to Chaos.

  • @Majere613
    @Majere613 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My excitement is indescribable, largely because it doesn't exist. At least now when I use Lucius I have an excuse for why I've got the Mark of Slaanesh on a Vindicator.

  • @willi526
    @willi526 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i love you auspex 0:02 seconds the new emperors children are out and there aweful, brutal OMEGALUL.

  • @11AleZZ
    @11AleZZ หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think that James Workshop wants to compete with Two Page Rules, and this is the first of several Two Page Indexes

  • @michaelstythax137
    @michaelstythax137 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fanbase: so emperor's children have two units....
    GW: Genestealer cults big brain boy
    Fanbase: Luscious canonically doesn't want to be a warlord...
    GW: Cannoness but flying
    Fanbase: Lord Eidolon...Julius kaesoron...Pleasure cults...
    GW: Female custodes

  • @eg.1803
    @eg.1803 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really do hope to see them at the end of the year or start of the new year. I bought the new Chaos battleforce box and intend to paint them in EC scheme. It will be most glorious!

  • @rutherfordappraisal258
    @rutherfordappraisal258 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    For all the people complaining, can you not just settle down for a minute and think? Any problems here can pretty easily be addressed by the development team in the next FAQ by further nerfing AdMech. Sheesh.

  • @MetalCooking666
    @MetalCooking666 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ranged noise marines would be good with renegade raiders for the extra -1AP. Melee ones are simply outclassed by legionaries

  • @Aaron-wv5si
    @Aaron-wv5si หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    GW via various WarCom articles: "hey, this is pretty much what the index will be"
    GW releases exactly what they said they would.
    40k community: "WTF, where's the rest of it?!?!"

    • @auspextactics
      @auspextactics  หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      There's definitely an element of that here haha

    • @kazoie1
      @kazoie1 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I mean to be frank every other index came with a detachment and was more than 5 pages

    • @Rosstafa
      @Rosstafa หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@kazoie1 This isn't a proper faction index - it's a placeholder for when they become a standalone faction. You can't compare it to the launch indexes.

    • @britishrex5515
      @britishrex5515 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@kazoie1that is true but this is def a stopgap index, even more so than the others. As EC started the edition as just part of csm, if they don't want it to be in the csm book in 0rep for the future release then this is sorta their best bet. It's effectively an addon to CSM to say 'here's some rules so you can use your slaanesh lads in game, proper support is on the way'

    • @Aaron-wv5si
      @Aaron-wv5si หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kazoie1 Every other index was a stand-alone document released at the start of the edition. This index utilizes the CSM dex. It has access to a lot more detachments than the original indexes did, as well as just as many data sheets.

  • @brettmal5298
    @brettmal5298 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    They justified paying someone to make this lol this is just a giant, why bother at this point…

    • @Thomas-4222
      @Thomas-4222 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I mean it probably didn’t cost a lot for someone to write a “page” of rules (that basically just said to take slaanesh marks) and move over some datasheets

  • @Sk1pp3rR1p
    @Sk1pp3rR1p หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Genuinely been waiting for this for years, and I am fairly disappointed over the fact that they couldn't even be bothered to make an Army rule or a special detachment for them.

  • @korniestpatch
    @korniestpatch หลายเดือนก่อน

    Id use this as allies for my Slaanesh Deamons. That forcing battleshock on the noise marines is REALLY nice

  • @thorfinndonar1717
    @thorfinndonar1717 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dude when do you sleep? 😂 love the content!!

  • @ryansilver4212
    @ryansilver4212 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like since they can take a detachment from CSM they would actually be pretty good in Dread Talons for the shooting to proc Battleshock

  • @silentascari2180
    @silentascari2180 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I mean it's exactly what they described no less and certainly no more.

  • @marcmiddleton2277
    @marcmiddleton2277 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really hope we get an Eidolon type Chaos Lord with a Sonic Scream

  • @NecroGoblin-yl2fx
    @NecroGoblin-yl2fx หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    well it is basically just the Zealot detachment run as Slaanesh with Noise Marines

    • @humbertoharo6840
      @humbertoharo6840 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can run any detachment in the codex.

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    It will be overpriced and underwhelming

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      And it may even be undercooked like the world eater that got less than "the bare minimum".

    • @Lomhow
      @Lomhow หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And then nerfed when it gets popular

  • @ericcarr1056
    @ericcarr1056 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Started collecting Emperors Children in 2022. I've spent at least 500 for just the Noise Marines (I have 25 total with 10 being the forgeworld models) I will be kinda bummed if all new models come out, but I'm still excited for the New Codex.

  • @maugetar9340
    @maugetar9340 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Certainly not bloated. On top of that every Emperor's Childen army has now it's own Lucius the eternal 😅

  • @leguan278
    @leguan278 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just started a death guard army, god damn it.
    I was not thinking emperors children would come at some point

  • @markhohenbrink5230
    @markhohenbrink5230 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Noise marines seem like a good combo for the Night Lords detachment. Shoot, cause leadership test, minus 1 because you have a unit nearby, then cause another check during the charge phase if they didnt already fail.

    • @LordCrate-du8zm
      @LordCrate-du8zm หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting... Night Lords getting Noise Marine mercenaries sounds fun 👀

    • @markhohenbrink5230
      @markhohenbrink5230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LordCrate-du8zm also, Lucius giving standard Legionaires fights first is pretty good for punching up

    • @Psykroids
      @Psykroids หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're playing that illegally. First off new codex means you need to use the datasheets there. We are about 80% sure those noise marines would be most likely allied units. As mentioned here they also lose the Heretic Astartes keyword which means a lot of those strategems and rules may not work. Then there's the issue of any ability, statline, or point changes. Which makes it iffy to field since they are gone from the new codex.
      I mean good on your having the fun in your matches. But if I was your opponent I'd call it out right away. Sorry, but thems the brakes.

    • @markhohenbrink5230
      @markhohenbrink5230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Psykroids that's not how the Emperor's Children Index works. They gain the Heretic Astartes keyword if Lucius is your warlord.

  • @monkeyhammer
    @monkeyhammer หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if the noise marines will be the basic troops when they get their own codex or if they are a more elite unit. I think in the lore they are a bit rarer. Not that it really matters now there isn't a force org chart.

  • @tablekun8690
    @tablekun8690 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cant wait to see a new fulgrim model

  • @BillWD
    @BillWD หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    EC's own codex coming seems even more likely now!!! YES!!!
    Now, time to prep to collect a lot of chaos minis without giving GW a penny. It can be done!

    • @LordCrate-du8zm
      @LordCrate-du8zm หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lemme guess:
      -Recasters
      -Ebay
      -Yard sales
      -LGS
      -Goodwill(?)

    • @BillWD
      @BillWD หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @LordCrate-du8zm and a shed ton of kitbashing with green stuff. I've just reached the stage where I have practised enough to make my sculpting passable.
      Local games stores do of course share revenue with GW but at least GW don't get the sales traffic through their books directly.

    • @damianwomack4668
      @damianwomack4668 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@LordCrate-du8zm Don't forget 3D printing. Gets better all the time and there are plenty of Slaanesh STLs and 3rd party models out there that put GW stuff to shame

  • @KawaiiAzusa
    @KawaiiAzusa หลายเดือนก่อน

    Noise Marines at least (still) seem to be good support for the Dread Talons detachment.
    Triggering Battle Shock in the shooting phase is ideal for their damage output. Of course triggering it in the enemies turn will always be best

  • @blindjustice5695
    @blindjustice5695 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ngl since I've been playing chaos I've been playing them as a mono slaanesh Mark anyway, and if Lucuis is cheap then I'd love battleline noise marines

  • @urbani8231
    @urbani8231 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quite eager for an EC codex to pair them with my slaanesh demons.

  • @matramogram8836
    @matramogram8836 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hope the EC codex is good. I’m planning a loyalist ec army using HH models but I’d like to field them as traitors every once and a while just for the fun of it, swapping out some units for some sick ass noise marines

  • @sandvich..
    @sandvich.. หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm new to warhammer and I was hoping gamers workshop would make a codex and combat patrol for the salamanders

  • @THEREALKILLERZAKJE
    @THEREALKILLERZAKJE หลายเดือนก่อน

    you think a demon fulgrim model will come too when the codex comes out for emperors childeren. because i still find them lacking with unit variation

  • @baval5
    @baval5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a Crusade player them forcing a named character is wild to me.

  • @Bagerkirby
    @Bagerkirby หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm honestly suprised they made an Aangron/Mortarion/Magnus scale daemon primarch model, and it was for 30k instead of 40k...

  • @FnRenner
    @FnRenner หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wouldn't it be cool if when 10th ends and 11th starts GW rereleased all codexes? Like an edition omnibus for each army that didn't require pages of updates and nerfs. I know I'm just a dreamer and all that jazz

  • @syberwolfgames3639
    @syberwolfgames3639 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m very new to the game of war hammer and am interested in an Ultramarine army but all the ones I find are out of date and have too many points, I was wondering if you have advice for new lists

  • @Rikalonius
    @Rikalonius 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So If I wanted to build a 500 point Chaos Space Marine army, I could use a unit of 5 noise Marines with it?

  • @ThKiller458
    @ThKiller458 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder what the official one will be like, the EC were renowned for being masters of all kinds of warfare so I think at least they would get reroll 1s to hit and wound. Maybe give them bonuses to character dueling especially?

    • @Chefkraken
      @Chefkraken หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      LMAO the community collectively shat on GW for MONTHS at the beginning of 10th for giving Eldar too many rerolls with the Battle Host detachment because it made them statistically better than everything else in the game. Why would they do it again for EC?

    • @ThKiller458
      @ThKiller458 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Chefkraken why not?

  • @baejus
    @baejus หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dono man, emps children battle shock detachment might be cool (ish)

  • @RevanR
    @RevanR หลายเดือนก่อน

    Emperor's Childrens for 11th edition!

  • @f_evans_6694
    @f_evans_6694 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dont think this can even be classed as an index at this point - its just CSM split into more files to deal with

  • @zachdrake8564
    @zachdrake8564 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Honestly with the lack of effort in this and Lucius not even being purchasable, I wouldn’t be surprised if we EC players are rewarded with squatting at the end of this.

  • @TabletopCitadel
    @TabletopCitadel หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm over here with a seedling "EC" army, no Lucius model yet, and one Noise Marine model. Guess I'm just running CSM for a bit then.

    • @silentascari2180
      @silentascari2180 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just proxy hard. Old marines aren't /too/ bad to buy second hand and Lucius' model is so ancient it would be better to proxy it anyway.

  • @BrandonGiordano
    @BrandonGiordano หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope they nail the codex. I can definitely see them becoming popular like the other 3 main chaos armies. I think theyre cool tll but if they fuck it up Emperors Children could be DOA

  • @derpyboi8591
    @derpyboi8591 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Literally all I was hoping for when our index got announced was unique detachment rule. Thats it. I wasnt expecting new models or rules. And yet, I am disappointed anyways. My EC are staying on the shelf until the full release

  • @sheilasherret9596
    @sheilasherret9596 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is basically what I expected based on the original post. Doesn't mean I'm not salty that it's absolutely not for people new to the faction. They couldn't even be bothered to put 40k Lucius back into production lmao

  • @christophersefton993
    @christophersefton993 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It feels like all the armies are loosing power and it's a push for more battle line infantry

  • @Caragoner
    @Caragoner หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know they said this is all they were going to do. I wasn't even hyped (Nurgle and Khorne are my babies), and i was still underwhelmed. This just feels like they took a sledgehammer to both mini's knee caps for the next 2 years

  • @RBadel1
    @RBadel1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tbh noise marines looking good for dread talons 🤔

  • @1005rhys
    @1005rhys หลายเดือนก่อน

    Emperors Children codex is just going to be 3 models. And 1 of them is going to be an old CSM model.

  • @Trinine9
    @Trinine9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yay yet another rule set for a power armor faction I am so excited

    • @eepersneepers7872
      @eepersneepers7872 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean to be fair. Humans do have some bias. Being human and all. But the 4th faction of chaos needed a rule set. Before they drop another xeno army with no lore on us like Leagues of Votann

    • @Trinine9
      @Trinine9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eepersneepers7872 I do agree I think existing factions need more updates like eldar just stopped with no info on what they are doing now and chaos is like their #1 enemy so they wouldn’t just sit there and do nothing this whole time I just hope with it being emperor’s children they at least let us know what is going on with the eldar too lore wise

  • @FrozenPyro06
    @FrozenPyro06 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fulgrim’s real beef with other primarchs would be Ferrus, Perty, and G-man/Dorn I guess? Not really looking like a loyal rival will come back

  • @Pers0n97
    @Pers0n97 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    This datasheets are yet another perfect example as to how painfully stupid and objectively worst both for new and old players the "Power Level" of 10th is.
    There is literally no reason why ANYONE should ever take the bolter as a weapon for a noise marine when the sonic blaster is a flat upgrade over it.
    There is literally no reason for the champion to ever pick the chainsword, and barely any for them to pick the accursed weapon over the fist.
    The only thing that free wargear garbage is doing is creating traps for new players, and reducing army building options for experience players by making every "options" worthless.
    If only we could... yaknow, put a point price on wargear that represent an upgrade compared to the base loadout (like say, having the sonic blaster cost a tiny bit more than bolters, of have powerfist cost more than accursed weapon which in turn would cost more than the chainsword....
    This is bad on every level and it was done to supposedly "help to streamline the army creation process", because apparently doing first grade elementary school math was such a massive hurdle that it stopped people from playing the game.
    Not having to pay thousands for plastic sprues.
    Not having to spend hours to build and paint minies.
    Not having to pay hundred for rules.
    Not having to learn the somewhat complicated rules for the game;
    No, the real problem here was to add the cost of all the minies in your unit and the cost of their wargears to find out the complete price of the unit.
    THAT was the biggest barrier to entry of this game.
    It also negatively impact the game as it forces you to run a maxes out loadout, often with as many special weapons as possible, which means that many different weapon profiles, which in turn makes every attack roll take that much longer and grind the game to crawl.

    • @krilc
      @krilc หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yep this ruined Plague marines fielding bolters and tbh same with csm legionaires, their own RULE tells you 'bolters are worthless, shooting with this unit is pointless, have melee buffs, run chainswords'

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@krilc Exactly!
      And it often force you to run a loadout with as many different weapon profiles as possible, which makes every attack roll take that much longer and grind the game to crawl.

    • @aeaaea8113
      @aeaaea8113 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Just wanna say. If you count assembling and painting mini as a problem : just stop 40k. I m sure thats not the idea behind it, but listing the assembly and painting of the mini in what YOU consider something limiting to the access to the hobby whereas IT IS THE BASIS OF THE HOBBY is puzzling to say the least.
      That said I agree that the choice to go in no cost option was badly implemented. It could have been okay if the option were more well written and balanced but well GW is GW right ...

    • @ngangkh
      @ngangkh หลายเดือนก่อน

      Er, I don't take blastmasters cos I keep my 5-man Noisies mobile.
      Assault is pretty handy for dancing about to keep out of charge range.

    • @ianunderwood1678
      @ianunderwood1678 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@aeaaea8113 You completely missed the point of his post.

  • @DK-zl5gb
    @DK-zl5gb หลายเดือนก่อน

    Players will get the honor of purchasing the official codex at full-price a month or so before the end of 10th.

  • @Celt1389
    @Celt1389 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a Custodes player, this negativity makes me feel better. Custodes and Emperors Children players can all suffer together, welcome to the club!

  • @russs3741
    @russs3741 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Has GW mentioned when the new CSM points will drop?

    • @auspextactics
      @auspextactics  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No but will be either tomorrow or Thursday most likely.

  • @blackwolf671
    @blackwolf671 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its a long shot i know, But im really hoping for A new bike release, with mf'n DOOM RIDER to lead them, possibly as an alternate sculpt for a captain or psyker on bike.

  • @MarkKnightSHG
    @MarkKnightSHG หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to see Slaanesh Cult Terminators again, and some of the units in HH getting updated for 40k (I mean, the Kakophoni are already Noise Marines) such as Palatine Blades, or units with the Phoenix Spears... but I daresay that's not gonna happen :(

    • @Fifthmiracle
      @Fifthmiracle หลายเดือนก่อน

      With GW splitting 30K and 40K models and data sheets; its definitely not happening.

    • @MarkKnightSHG
      @MarkKnightSHG 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Fifthmiracle I didn't mean the same ones, just 40k versions... Emperor's Children could really do with some new units if they're going to be their own army, and some 30k derived units could help there. Considering they're known for martial prowess, its odd how they're only known for sonic weapons... (not that I have an issue with those... )

  • @sethjk8871
    @sethjk8871 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They could also be splitting chaos demons up with the 4 mono god cults

    • @Fifthmiracle
      @Fifthmiracle หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably not this edition at least; but one can hope.

    • @sethjk8871
      @sethjk8871 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Fifthmiracle Demon rules surely cant be worse than last edition!

  • @Lomhow
    @Lomhow หลายเดือนก่อน

    Noise Marine Kill Team when?

  • @fearlessretaliator4997
    @fearlessretaliator4997 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the title

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So, I’m expected a half-assed codex with:
    Noise marines
    Terminators
    Lord mounted on seeker
    Fulgrim
    Fiend Marines
    Then everything else forgotten

  • @Amdor
    @Amdor หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting that blastmasters' strong shots have bs4+

    • @Fifthmiracle
      @Fifthmiracle หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm still Iron Warror levels of bitter over losing +1 damage at half range on sonic weapons. But the Blastmaster being BS 4+ for no reason and losing assualt on it's alternate fire mode was just unnecessary.

  • @alarak2159
    @alarak2159 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What’s the bets a load of people will head out to buy the old Lucius mini only for them to release a new one along with their Codex unveil? Good stock shifter I guess.

  • @erikanderson1223
    @erikanderson1223 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was very misleading for them to say they'd be releasing an Emperor's Children index, that implied an army/detachment rule, stratagems & enhancements in order to play an Emperor's Children army. What they should have said was Lucius and Noise Marines won't be going Legends, you can still use their CSM index datasheets in matched play but they won't be getting any changes.

  • @someirishguy1662
    @someirishguy1662 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10 edition has been great for OPR

  • @billmacia4092
    @billmacia4092 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Custodes treatement?

  • @wanderingigor
    @wanderingigor หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had to check what the WE index looked like when that dropped and damn they did EC dirty. No own army rule, No legion trait/detetchment rule, No relics and No warlord traits or stratagems. GW really went out of their way to not put any effort into this one.

  • @kiraangle2823
    @kiraangle2823 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shadowrun has done cross version expansions with say, 4th and 5th edition rules, they could do that, but they wont, it makes less money

  • @ryanturner3176
    @ryanturner3176 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is a Band-aid... it was always going to be a band-aid. as far as band-aids goes, this is a fine band-aid.

    • @stephennorako1807
      @stephennorako1807 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its not a Band-aid… its a walmart brand adhesive strip.
      Its works… kinda 😂

  • @ryanbowald2425
    @ryanbowald2425 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Join us in old world where game balance and unique list building is alive and well

  • @DarkApostleNoek
    @DarkApostleNoek หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok I need to get my Mono-God CSM video done. Anyone know where 40K Lucius can be bought?

    • @LordCrate-du8zm
      @LordCrate-du8zm หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Trust me, you don't want the old Finecast Lucius.
      The 30k one works just fine.

  • @kennymartin5976
    @kennymartin5976 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well, heres hoping the full army is a full line with different units. The do not deserve to be relegated to two units.

  • @chrisbingley
    @chrisbingley หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't help but think that GW are doing this backwards. Wouldn't it make more sense to remove Lucius and Noise Marines from the CSM Index. Then release an Emperor's Children codex, with the CSM codex being released later down the line.

  • @marcarthur100
    @marcarthur100 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I vote two let them us the chaos detachments til there book is out but all of they stuff must hav mark of slanesh wit do u guys think 🤔

  • @joshuajones1641
    @joshuajones1641 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Woow gw really coming out with emperor's children codex before Lov index has more units added to it

  • @Majere613
    @Majere613 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In general, Lucius is pretty fun to play, whereas Noise Marines currently aren't. Legionaries unfortunately do better than them in melee, particularly if you pair Lucius with a Master of Execution for a truly mad amount of Precision that also has Fights First, which is a very nasty shock for enemy units with melee buff characters. In shooting... the Legionaries still tend to do better because they get two heavy weapons, unless you run the Noise Marines 5-strong to get more Blastmasters (here's hoping that still works!)
    Unfortunately the Blastmaster is a bit meh, like a better Missile Launcher, and the sonic blasters only really have weight of fire going for them.

  • @mikelavigne1370
    @mikelavigne1370 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perfect timing for a Slaanesh release as Slaaneshi cultists are co-opting GW in real life.

  • @vlaandhael
    @vlaandhael หลายเดือนก่อน

    is it truly certain we get a new lucius? we havent got a new karn havent we?

    • @Fifthmiracle
      @Fifthmiracle หลายเดือนก่อน

      Plastic Kharn was released in 2016 so 8 years ago. But Lucius will definitely get a new plastic at codex release is not in a Army box before that.