It was really sad to watch. I really wanted Phil out of the table. This table has millionaires with substantial incomes, they don’t care about money. Phil was there to make money and thought he could sucker some amateurs in with a short stack but he forgot one thing - you can’t read an amateur that doesn’t care about the money they’re gambling.
Well people seem to forget that Phil just isn‘t that good in cash games, incredible tournament player, but playing like the biggest nit in spots where he shouldn‘t in cash games
@@heavygamer9511 The point is, he is playing against a bunch of TH-cam, people that have no idea even what a blind is. And he played like a knit, clown. It's actually ridiculous.
Negreanu should have been the one to play with them. The focus was about them and a solid background support guy to help stabilize the table would have been useful with Negreanu.
I agree. To many, Negreanu is the face of poker with his infamous ads and general coverage. He's always come across as chilled and would very much play to the mood of the game.
I agree but I think their idea was “let’s hope Phil loses and it makes great blow ups for people to laugh at” although they didn’t realize, people don’t want to watch Phil blow up on genuinely nice people at a friendly table.
This exactly, why would bring Phil to a table like this, he's just miserable and negative. Negreanu would have had a blast and he always has a cheery, positive vibe
My favorite comment was the dude next to Phil who said he was gonna suck someone's D* if his hand won and it did. Prob wouldn't have been his first time though.
The best is when Phil was playing so tight and then went all in and mr beast read him like a book saying something like no I'm not gonna reward you for waiting to get good cards and then go all in
Alan single handedly saved their reputation by matching the recklessness of mr.beast. all these pro players missed the point. Daniel as an TH-camr would have gotten much more value out of that game. and the value wasn't in the money, it was in crazy exposure
This is why I loved when he had that heads up game with the one guy who flipped him off. Like Phil was being a total dick/bitch then when shit got turned on him he gets upset.
I love how Daniel and Doug are chatting like friends after all that happened between them. Shows that both are decent human beings and how both are rising above the pity stuff and rivalry in past days. Both aces in my deck.
They were pretty friendly by the end of the duel. In their respective recaps they both spoke very nicely about each other's play and character. Shows that although poker players are mostly degenerated little punks, some of them do eventually mature and become decent human beings
Not that much really happened between them, TBH. Some of it was pride, some of it was for show (for the camera, so to speak). But yeah, I agree with you too. Things could have snowballed in a different direction.
I find it funny how Phil is complaining even though he called off 25k on the river when kqj is on board in a multi way pot. Your 9's should have gone in the bin on the flop LOL
Who actually enjoys watching Phil Helmuth play poker? This guy has berated and verbally abused people for years and somehow it’s just accepted as “oh that’s just how he is”. He is absolutely classless and a complete embarrassment to poker and humans in general.
Weighing up the options: - Let's put Phil, whose signature move is inciting drama, at the table and watch the conversation (see 'outrage') last for weeks afterwards. - Let's put someone like Negreanu, or Phil Ivy, or any of the other top-top greats at the table and watch the entire event fade into obscurity within a day or two after it finishes. We know why they chose who they chose.
It's a shame though, it could have drove potential players away. If Daniel went on and they all had a good vibe is would've been great. The game that got me hooked on poker was Daniel and Kevin heart. If my first exposure what Phil throwing one of his tantrums I might've just turned away
@@plexyglass429 - Maybe, but reaching an audience of 100 million and only getting 1% of them is 1 million new players. But if they only reach an audience of 1 million and get 90% - That's still less. They're poker players. They know odds and they know numbers. They know how to milk it.
I think his berating of the players was fine, if someone has a problem with it then its up to someone at the table to say something but obviously nobody cared..
Yah, Phil wasn’t there to have fun. He went there thinking he could beat these amateurs and treated it like a tournament where people tend to play good hands. We’ve seen times in the past where someone raised with Q-10 and he freaks out, in cash games that happens all the time. Also he’s more use to like 2-3 people to the flop and not 6+ people where your good starting hand will get crushed by a crap hand that hit a lucky flop. One of the biggest issues is that he played with so little compared to them so he can’t really push them around to fold preflop like he did on the Big Game way back. They aren’t gunna food to a bet that doesn’t even affect them and thus it cause too many people to see the flop
all the players at the table were 10X more famous than Hellmuth, Mr. Beast is 1000X more famous, Hellmuth's power level is only 5 compare to these guys.
With respect given the Hellmuth's expertise at a certain type of game, I think the poker pro at this table should have been someone more on board with playing what was essentially an exhibition match. A good sport with face recognition and a more adaptive style of play. I'm a fan of Negs and would suggest him, but I bet more avid watchers/players could suggest a number of other suitable candidates.
It probably looks bad in terms of "this is what the casual viewer sees of professional play" but I for one LOVED to see Phil just MALDING the entire time, the only thing that made me a little uncomfortable was him constantly needling Alex, and Im sure most normal people feel that way
Very well said by dnegs. Dont know why phil is getting all angry and shit when hes a professional player. A pro should adjust their play depending on their opponents. If you’re as good as you think you are then just outplay them instead of going like omg i lost to q5o
I've played against people in Vegas that would have wiped the floor against these people after analyzing a few hands. The fact that Helmuth couldn't really do that shows that he's just way too emotional - he wants to win his money back so badly that he ends up falling for the "amateurs" traps.
You guys really missed a trick deciding to put Hellmuth in and not Garret, who always comes across as a very friendly genuine guy and is also a pro. He’s also a regular on your channel so may of brought people in to watch your other videos!
I don't think garret is a good choice for this. As they said in the video this is a huge opportunity for poker, Adelstein is a killer and isn't going to be fooling around like this, ruining the dynamic and making nobody want to return
@@coreyhuggins5785 Garrett would've straddled and fucked around because hes not going to eek out every small edge. He understands he's a pro in a pillow soft game. But he is going to absolutely fuck that table up and it would just be too too much of a blood bath for the recs...
Opponent makes the right decision and takes Phil's money. Phil rants at them for it calling them stupid while the opponent sits there smiling over the stack of chips they just took from Hellmuth. It never gets old. What was he doing on that board with a pair of fricking 9s anyways.
As a professional he should have understood we has up against non professionals so he should expect people to go all in with A9 off and not get mad about it. Now if a pro calls with that then yeah he can be the "brat".
Just an awful night for Phil 🤦🏻♂️ Not surprised though. He’s been this guy for as long as I can remember. Funny to see him acting like he’s better/more important than people who are 10x more famous and 20x more rich lol
And, you know, Phil didn't cure cancer, invent solar energy, perform heart surgery. He's just a card player. It takes skill, sure, but it's not the most important thing in the world. He shows his insecurity every time he opens his mouth.
At this point I've concluded Phil is just playing Phil Hellmuth for negative attention. What would be interesting is comparing his onscreen persona with his off screen persona. Could someone play a game with him without cameras and report personally on his demeanor?
Hearing Phil rant against Alexandra Botez like that really lowers my esteem of him. Sure he's a great player, but he's a sore loser. How dare a giant of poker pick on a relative newcomer like that, especially televised.
Imagine the shit tony G would of given Phil in this game 😂 short stack no straddling surely if your as good as he says he is he would of had 500,000 on the table and be stacking people all over in this line up the way they was throwing chips around he’s crazy the man been a fantastic tournament player but as tony once told him Phil your a good person ‘But cash games are just not your forte’ 😂😂
I used to play in some extremely wild games like this. When complete amateur play super loose with deep stacks. It doesn't take long to realize that straddling is probably +EV. So much random action happens pre-flop that one makes so much money jamming AQo into tons of dead money when acting last pre flop. I would have guessed Hellmuth knows this.
What made Phil looked embarrassing even more was at the end of the video when he lost to mr.beast and begged to everyone to lend him 50k...smh.....poor Phil..now everyone thinks he's nothing but a 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Helmut learned a lesson, that there's a huge difference in play between high stakes and noobs. And you have to make massive adjustments. The fact he didn't realize that is funny and shows he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
Hellmuth knows his brand, knows his rants are actually his calling card, and people dream of sucking out on him, and triggering a rant. At this point, it's about brand awareness- and you can bet all the people at that table weren't that offended, and got to witness in person a good classic Hellmuth tilt. Kind of a major bucket list thing. How are people not getting that?
I wish I could play poker so that I could get some lucky play off against Phil Hellmuth so that he would go off on me. I would consider it an honor. He's so funny. I love it. Hopefully Negreanu is right, and nobody was taking Hellmuth seriously. No one should take his ranting seriously. Especially when you just outplayed him.
Didn’t Doug and Daniel have beef a few years ago? It’s pretty cool to see there’s some mutual respect now after they played heads up if I’m remembering correctly
Yup. They had beef. They played each other heads up over something like 25,000 hand challenge. Polk won. Beef was squashed. They are both standup professionals and you gotta respect how it was resolved.
Don't feel sorry for Alex Botez taking shit from Phil Hellmuth. She lives in the smack talking world of chess. She handled Phil's antics with zero effort.
I said this before on a different channel....if you invite Phil, do you really expect him to not be Phil? He's loud, offensive, bullying...but he brings entertainment value which is why I think he was invited in the first place.
I'll never understand this "entertainment value' statement people make. He acts like an actual baby throwing a tantrum. It isn't entertaining at all, but annoying.
@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken which brings views so people can voices how much of an x,y,z he is... Watch any reality or competition show and it'll be the same...they always keep on someone who causes drama....
@@Tomsense76 That says more about the people watching than anything else if they find that entertaining. I might be the minority in finding it absolutely annoying, to the point I'll just tune out, though.
Small stack going all in with an A 8 off suit pre flop...You have players like Botez who has a fat chip stack and can afford to call with an A 9 off. I mean why wouldnt Botez call helms all in at that point. He set himself up...what did you expect. He was just butthurt more because beast added to the pot and helms couldn't get the sweet pot. So of course helms will whine when he gets rooked. By rooked I mean he got beat by a table filled with amateur players.
Idk why Phil doesn’t adjust his gameplay depending on who he’s playing. Obviously non-poker players are not gonna know all the little nuances of poker.
I've heard Phill Hellmuth has won poker games before. They say he has 16 bracelets. Yet every other poker video online is Phil losing.. then yelling and screaming.
is it really that bad to straddle? its that negative ev? like id rather make the game bigger, and not be utg. like would u rather have AA or AK utg or on the straddle?
Would you rather have 72o with 0 money in the pot or 72o with 4bb in the pot facing a raise, its negative EV because you put in money blind without knowing your own cards
@@joepdekort5696 what if u kno ur clearly the best player at the table and half the pots are limped and everybody scared money. And no ones defending. Its so easy to outplay people postflop. Or raise pre and take it. Or flop some weird 2 pair and stack someone. Idk i straddle all the time and people hardly ever raise my straddle, cuz i usually straddle when its a dry tight game and im trying to loosed it up.
I would have much rather have seen Doug and Daniel, pr Phil Laak and Antonio Esfandiari, or even a couple of the younger players like Dan Coleman and Jamie Kerstetter.
How do you call 25k with 3 overcards on the board, And then think 99 is good. That was one of the worst calls ive ever seen, anywhere. Ive seen queen high calls that werent that bad
his betting implied 9-9 was the worst hand he could have, chances were higher he had a lot better pocket pair then 9-9. Phil just casually forgets he was playing against amateurs and then rants they did not recognise his 'superior betting' :D
Putting Hellmuth on this stream was a huge mistake on Ryan's part, IMO. While what Daniel says is true - that these social media types aren't really intimidated by him since they are far more influential than he is in the wider world, he's basically an eeyore... a grump. People enjoy watching Phil lose to people like Negraneau or Tony G or Esfandiari... People who will needle him as he loses. But these amateurs weren't doing that, so in essence, Phil wasn't getting "tortured enough" to make his appearance on this stream worthwhile from a poker marketing perspective. At least that's how I see it. I would have much rather seen someone like Garrett Adelstein on the stream with them. Someone who's a top rim cash game player, but who can also very easily go with the flow and help create positive, fun energy at the table.
I think daniel was smart enough to capitilize off the fued and kno its just for youtube. Notice when all that stuff happened, daniel created his channel. Plus i dont really think daniel holds grudges like that. There some level of respect
They talked sh!t. Met up. Tested each other. Realized exactly where they are at with each other. And then walked away after the match like men. Now to collaborate and build a bigger future.
Cheers to Doug Polk's Podcast for this clip!
Check out the full podcast here: th-cam.com/video/BCsTRSZHGKk/w-d-xo.html
This shows if u have ALOT of money it’s easier to play poker and it’s mainly luck
It was really sad to watch. I really wanted Phil out of the table. This table has millionaires with substantial incomes, they don’t care about money. Phil was there to make money and thought he could sucker some amateurs in with a short stack but he forgot one thing - you can’t read an amateur that doesn’t care about the money they’re gambling.
Well people seem to forget that Phil just isn‘t that good in cash games, incredible tournament player, but playing like the biggest nit in spots where he shouldn‘t in cash games
Slime was actually the only one there of the amateurs who probably wasn’t a millionaire. He’s Ludwig’s editor and Ludwig payed for his buy in.
@@heavygamer9511 The point is, he is playing against a bunch of TH-cam, people that have no idea even what a blind is. And he played like a knit, clown. It's actually ridiculous.
Well said bud. Can’t stand this Phil guy. I got in a limo with him once in Vegas. He is the same in real life complaining and being a baby
Also Phil sucks ass at cash games 😂
Negreanu should have been the one to play with them. The focus was about them and a solid background support guy to help stabilize the table would have been useful with Negreanu.
I agree. To many, Negreanu is the face of poker with his infamous ads and general coverage. He's always come across as chilled and would very much play to the mood of the game.
He also laughs a lot and just seems friendly. Phil just had negative vibes and brings the happiness down
1000% agree. He's super fun to watch, a super funny guy, and this is the exact group he'd fit with perfectly.
I agree but I think their idea was “let’s hope Phil loses and it makes great blow ups for people to laugh at” although they didn’t realize, people don’t want to watch Phil blow up on genuinely nice people at a friendly table.
This exactly, why would bring Phil to a table like this, he's just miserable and negative. Negreanu would have had a blast and he always has a cheery, positive vibe
Still think Alex had the comment of the night when Phil was going at her and she said "I can't hear you over all these chips".
"Do you do this for a living?" skeptical
My favorite comment was the dude next to Phil who said he was gonna suck someone's D* if his hand won and it did. Prob wouldn't have been his first time though.
Roasted Phil sooo bad lmao
holy shit. lololol
The best is when Phil was playing so tight and then went all in and mr beast read him like a book saying something like no I'm not gonna reward you for waiting to get good cards and then go all in
Yeah that was pretty epic lol
2:13 "she's gonna single-handedly fix the wage gap" LOL
A substantially underrated comment
Alan single handedly saved their reputation by matching the recklessness of mr.beast.
all these pro players missed the point.
Daniel as an TH-camr would have gotten much more value out of that game. and the value wasn't in the money, it was in crazy exposure
Alan was super hilarious to watch. I didnt know who he was but he matched the vibe of every one pretty well.
Phil Helmuth is not an ambassador for the game of poker, he is an embarrassment to the game of poker.
That feels like something Tony G would say lol
@@iannicklangevin1813 God bless Tony.
Tony would have been better for this game than phil
This is why I loved when he had that heads up game with the one guy who flipped him off. Like Phil was being a total dick/bitch then when shit got turned on him he gets upset.
"You're a disgrace to the game"
-Tony to Phil at some point lol
I love how Daniel and Doug are chatting like friends after all that happened between them. Shows that both are decent human beings and how both are rising above the pity stuff and rivalry in past days. Both aces in my deck.
They were pretty friendly by the end of the duel. In their respective recaps they both spoke very nicely about each other's play and character. Shows that although poker players are mostly degenerated little punks, some of them do eventually mature and become decent human beings
Not that much really happened between them, TBH.
Some of it was pride, some of it was for show (for the camera, so to speak).
But yeah, I agree with you too. Things could have snowballed in a different direction.
@@howard5992 They're both smart enough to know silly bickering hurts both their brands.
Maybe it was mostly banter betweem them. Don't think they actually hated each other.
Doug grew up. Nice to see. Because I actually couldn't stand him fir a bit. Now he is one of the most enlightened and entertaining players out there
The 'best player in the world' wants to buy in short against a bunch of amateurs.
He is the best tournament TNL player in history though.
I find it funny how Phil is complaining even though he called off 25k on the river when kqj is on board in a multi way pot. Your 9's should have gone in the bin on the flop LOL
I will say this; he was probably invited because they wanted his antics there.
yeah ludwig knows how to get a good show going
@@judah6816 It wasn't actually Ludwig, it was Hustler themselves wanting Phil there. Ludwig wasn't all that onboard but went with it.
He just the uncle at the bbq that talks nonsense about in the old days
Who actually enjoys watching Phil Helmuth play poker? This guy has berated and verbally abused people for years and somehow it’s just accepted as “oh that’s just how he is”. He is absolutely classless and a complete embarrassment to poker and humans in general.
Yeah but you gotta agree he def helped poker become mainstream because people online want to see these antics and bickering at the table
@@solome6478 yea i agree people watch Tony G, Phil, and others because they make for more entertaining table talk
Weighing up the options:
- Let's put Phil, whose signature move is inciting drama, at the table and watch the conversation (see 'outrage') last for weeks afterwards.
- Let's put someone like Negreanu, or Phil Ivy, or any of the other top-top greats at the table and watch the entire event fade into obscurity within a day or two after it finishes.
We know why they chose who they chose.
It's a shame though, it could have drove potential players away. If Daniel went on and they all had a good vibe is would've been great. The game that got me hooked on poker was Daniel and Kevin heart. If my first exposure what Phil throwing one of his tantrums I might've just turned away
@@plexyglass429 - Maybe, but reaching an audience of 100 million and only getting 1% of them is 1 million new players.
But if they only reach an audience of 1 million and get 90% - That's still less.
They're poker players. They know odds and they know numbers. They know how to milk it.
*goes all in with ace eight off suit*
gets upset someone would call with ace nine off suit.
I think his berating of the players was fine, if someone has a problem with it then its up to someone at the table to say something but obviously nobody cared..
Sometimes position and vibe are more valuable than cards, gotta love poker
@@michaeledwards1644 I disagree. It's never OK. In the card room I go to, the dealers will warn someone once then call the floor if it happens again.
We needed Garret in there and not this clown.
Garrett, Polk, & DNegs!
@@dickmacgurn590 yup much better line up. Guys that know how to shoot the shit and have great manners.
Yah, Phil wasn’t there to have fun. He went there thinking he could beat these amateurs and treated it like a tournament where people tend to play good hands. We’ve seen times in the past where someone raised with Q-10 and he freaks out, in cash games that happens all the time. Also he’s more use to like 2-3 people to the flop and not 6+ people where your good starting hand will get crushed by a crap hand that hit a lucky flop.
One of the biggest issues is that he played with so little compared to them so he can’t really push them around to fold preflop like he did on the Big Game way back. They aren’t gunna food to a bet that doesn’t even affect them and thus it cause too many people to see the flop
all the players at the table were 10X more famous than Hellmuth, Mr. Beast is 1000X more famous, Hellmuth's power level is only 5 compare to these guys.
famous to children
@@OBWInspector u think hellmuth’s behavior is more suitable for adults? Gtfo
@@crypty9365 lol yes i know so many adults that are narcissistic
Daniel would have been such a better choice at that table
With respect given the Hellmuth's expertise at a certain type of game, I think the poker pro at this table should have been someone more on board with playing what was essentially an exhibition match. A good sport with face recognition and a more adaptive style of play. I'm a fan of Negs and would suggest him, but I bet more avid watchers/players could suggest a number of other suitable candidates.
Hellmuth really baffles me sometimes. I'm not sure why he always plays like he has something to prove.
It probably looks bad in terms of "this is what the casual viewer sees of professional play" but I for one LOVED to see Phil just MALDING the entire time, the only thing that made me a little uncomfortable was him constantly needling Alex, and Im sure most normal people feel that way
Alex could always challenge the pig to a chess match....
Very well said by dnegs. Dont know why phil is getting all angry and shit when hes a professional player. A pro should adjust their play depending on their opponents. If you’re as good as you think you are then just outplay them instead of going like omg i lost to q5o
I've played against people in Vegas that would have wiped the floor against these people after analyzing a few hands. The fact that Helmuth couldn't really do that shows that he's just way too emotional - he wants to win his money back so badly that he ends up falling for the "amateurs" traps.
You guys really missed a trick deciding to put Hellmuth in and not Garret, who always comes across as a very friendly genuine guy and is also a pro. He’s also a regular on your channel so may of brought people in to watch your other videos!
I don't think garret is a good choice for this. As they said in the video this is a huge opportunity for poker, Adelstein is a killer and isn't going to be fooling around like this, ruining the dynamic and making nobody want to return
@@coreyhuggins5785 Garrett would've straddled and fucked around because hes not going to eek out every small edge. He understands he's a pro in a pillow soft game. But he is going to absolutely fuck that table up and it would just be too too much of a blood bath for the recs...
@@Rockyall You had me in the first half.
Opponent makes the right decision and takes Phil's money. Phil rants at them for it calling them stupid while the opponent sits there smiling over the stack of chips they just took from Hellmuth. It never gets old. What was he doing on that board with a pair of fricking 9s anyways.
i never understood why he berates people when they catch him bluffing haha
As a professional he should have understood we has up against non professionals so he should expect people to go all in with A9 off and not get mad about it. Now if a pro calls with that then yeah he can be the "brat".
that hand A9o call wasn't even that bad, it was 10bb deep (50k stack, 5k blind with the double or triple straddle)
@@roadrunner4800 it was a 25k straddle...
75k l, like 3bbs effective.
A9 is a snap there in a game with zero icm implications
Phil thanks for representing us poker players as piles of hot garbage
most players I encounter are far worse than Phil, at least he was somewhat nice most of the time, I get slow rolled every third hand these days
Lmao
The whole poker world should ostracize Phil Helmuth. He's truly psychotic.
he would get beaten and mutilated if he attempted any of his bullshit in an underground poker club like in the movie Rounders
yea but that’s what makes him fun to watch. That being said he wasn’t a good fit with a bunch of people that aren’t taking the game seriously lol
Please give me Lex, Daniel, and Doug with that same lineup instead of Phil, Dwan, and Keating. I think that table would be a lighthearted blast.
Keating was alright. But yeah lex or polk
No keep Keating in, he was great for the game.
Dneg's. Gotta love that guy. His poker playing might overshadow his integrity. He seems like a good dude.
Just an awful night for Phil 🤦🏻♂️ Not surprised though. He’s been this guy for as long as I can remember. Funny to see him acting like he’s better/more important than people who are 10x more famous and 20x more rich lol
so funny i fuckijg hate that guy
And, you know, Phil didn't cure cancer, invent solar energy, perform heart surgery. He's just a card player. It takes skill, sure, but it's not the most important thing in the world. He shows his insecurity every time he opens his mouth.
Tell me you know nothing about poker without saying you know nothing about poker...while sucking off youtubers 🤣😂
I really do love both of you guys and your input on everything.. but I have to ask.. did you guys plan the sleeveless fit??
This was put together so welllll
At this point I've concluded Phil is just playing Phil Hellmuth for negative attention. What would be interesting is comparing his onscreen persona with his off screen persona. Could someone play a game with him without cameras and report personally on his demeanor?
There’s no acting in Phil. He’s 100% organic certified douchebag.
Guarantee Phil didn't realize that Ninja and Mr Beast are definitely worth more than he is.
A9O call is even the right play, plugged it into a solver and it agrees so Phil isn't even right as a professional.
id just be dying of laughter playing with phil
Hearing Phil rant against Alexandra Botez like that really lowers my esteem of him. Sure he's a great player, but he's a sore loser. How dare a giant of poker pick on a relative newcomer like that, especially televised.
I missed that hand with Mr.Beast not even noticing the flush and beating Phil hahahahaha ah man. Love to see it.
Daniel should have played instead.... He's an actual fun personality and he would have absolutely DESTROYED those guys 😂
I've seen DNegs cry countless times too. I'd have rather seen DP at the table.
@@kevind1980 Doug is boring.
Helmuth's " antics " reminds me of the Humprey Bogart in the movie , " The Caine Mutiny " .
Can we please get Daniel in the next one, way more entertaining.
Imagine the shit tony G would of given Phil in this game 😂 short stack no straddling surely if your as good as he says he is he would of had 500,000 on the table and be stacking people all over in this line up the way they was throwing chips around he’s crazy the man been a fantastic tournament player but as tony once told him Phil your a good person ‘But cash games are just not your forte’ 😂😂
I have to watch this stream again now it was too good
Hellmuth was acting like he always does. Botez has seen worse shit Im sure. Its not ok but Phil is never ok.
Tony G... Phil Laak..Dario Minieri... Why would you allow Phil to represent Poker .?
I used to play in some extremely wild games like this. When complete amateur play super loose with deep stacks. It doesn't take long to realize that straddling is probably +EV. So much random action happens pre-flop that one makes so much money jamming AQo into tons of dead money when acting last pre flop. I would have guessed Hellmuth knows this.
Phil thought he was gonna run over these fishes, the rest is history
I wish I knew what they were talking about. Dsep stack, short stack, stradeling what ever.
0:19 you went all in with Q/4, stop acting like you've never seen a bad play like Mr. Beast when you've legitimately played WORSE!
What made Phil looked embarrassing even more was at the end of the video when he lost to mr.beast and begged to everyone to lend him 50k...smh.....poor Phil..now everyone thinks he's nothing but a 🤡🤡🤡🤡
this is the equivalent of a baseball player going into the octagon and submitting Francis Ngannou. embarrassing for poker
Helmut learned a lesson, that there's a huge difference in play between high stakes and noobs. And you have to make massive adjustments. The fact he didn't realize that is funny and shows he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
that stream just adds concrete to the foundation of the building named ' hellmuth just aint good'
Hellmuth knows his brand, knows his rants are actually his calling card, and people dream of sucking out on him, and triggering a rant. At this point, it's about brand awareness- and you can bet all the people at that table weren't that offended, and got to witness in person a good classic Hellmuth tilt. Kind of a major bucket list thing. How are people not getting that?
I wish I could play poker so that I could get some lucky play off against Phil Hellmuth so that he would go off on me. I would consider it an honor. He's so funny. I love it. Hopefully Negreanu is right, and nobody was taking Hellmuth seriously. No one should take his ranting seriously. Especially when you just outplayed him.
Didn’t Doug and Daniel have beef a few years ago? It’s pretty cool to see there’s some mutual respect now after they played heads up if I’m remembering correctly
Yup. They had beef. They played each other heads up over something like 25,000 hand challenge. Polk won. Beef was squashed. They are both standup professionals and you gotta respect how it was resolved.
It's almost like "the best player in the world" should be able to adjust to the table and know how to outplay them postflop
Very on brand for Phil.
When I see Old Poker Brat acting like this I remember the good old DAYS ,he never ceases to amaze me😅😁😁Embarassing😂😂😂
Don't feel sorry for Alex Botez taking shit from Phil Hellmuth. She lives in the smack talking world of chess. She handled Phil's antics with zero effort.
I said this before on a different channel....if you invite Phil, do you really expect him to not be Phil? He's loud, offensive, bullying...but he brings entertainment value which is why I think he was invited in the first place.
I'll never understand this "entertainment value' statement people make. He acts like an actual baby throwing a tantrum. It isn't entertaining at all, but annoying.
@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken which brings views so people can voices how much of an x,y,z he is...
Watch any reality or competition show and it'll be the same...they always keep on someone who causes drama....
@@Tomsense76 That says more about the people watching than anything else if they find that entertaining.
I might be the minority in finding it absolutely annoying, to the point I'll just tune out, though.
Daniel would bring twice the content with half the fkin baby rage
I get that other people like to watch him, but he's a big reason I stopped watching Poker.
They should’ve asked Daniel to play in this game
Daniel Coleman summed it up best years ago when he said hellmuth is the cancer of poker
Personally, not a fan of Hellmuth, DNegs would have been my choice to sit at that game, but... Phil did attract a lot of attention. good work HCL!
Small stack going all in with an A 8 off suit pre flop...You have players like Botez who has a fat chip stack and can afford to call with an A 9 off. I mean why wouldnt Botez call helms all in at that point. He set himself up...what did you expect. He was just butthurt more because beast added to the pot and helms couldn't get the sweet pot. So of course helms will whine when he gets rooked. By rooked I mean he got beat by a table filled with amateur players.
This is the worst PH has ever come off. It shows his true nature.
They should have invited Tony G to put Phil in his place
They brought in the wrong Phil for the stream.
Idk why Phil doesn’t adjust his gameplay depending on who he’s playing. Obviously non-poker players are not gonna know all the little nuances of poker.
Phils ego needed a fist bump lol
4:24 Wish I could get help stacking my chips
I've heard Phill Hellmuth has won poker games before. They say he has 16 bracelets. Yet every other poker video online is Phil losing.. then yelling and screaming.
Is it just me or is Phil starting to look more like Mike Matusow the older he gets??
Everyone is looking like Mike the older they get - watch PH play Negreanu heads up a year ago it's like looking in a mirror
is it really that bad to straddle? its that negative ev? like id rather make the game bigger, and not be utg. like would u rather have AA or AK utg or on the straddle?
Would you rather have 72o with 0 money in the pot or 72o with 4bb in the pot facing a raise, its negative EV because you put in money blind without knowing your own cards
@@joepdekort5696 what if u kno ur clearly the best player at the table and half the pots are limped and everybody scared money. And no ones defending. Its so easy to outplay people postflop. Or raise pre and take it. Or flop some weird 2 pair and stack someone. Idk i straddle all the time and people hardly ever raise my straddle, cuz i usually straddle when its a dry tight game and im trying to loosed it up.
@@skrufy11 yeah in that case its not bad but if you are the ONLY one straddling you need a really big edge if you want the straddle to be +EV
@@joepdekort5696 hmmm its just super negative ev to play limp pots or smaller pots cuz u will get killed in rake.
I like to mix my game up, unfortunately this means gambling from time to time, but what a great table for it, TJs ? You could stack someone!
Daniel looks great with that beard!
He goes all in with a8 then calls someone bad for calling with a better hand. and what did he think 99 was beating
He is the only one have seen that tries to get insurance
That table is the DREAM for any poker pro. Amateurs sitting with 500k in front of them and Phil is acting like a whiney brat
PH is the ultimate poker heel.
Phil Hellmouth
Phil messed up here, I mean just look at Dwan. At least he was socially aware enough to know it was for fun
There no reason for him to talk crap about others people. He a bad loser he need to stop he causing Drama
Need to replace Foulmouth with Tony G. That would have been a wild ride.
Phil is entertainment. I've watched him at high stakes tables where the REAL pros were eating him up and laughing at him while they were doing it!
I would have much rather have seen Doug and Daniel, pr Phil Laak and Antonio Esfandiari, or even a couple of the younger players like Dan Coleman and Jamie Kerstetter.
The problem is hellmuth thinks he is the best poker player in the world whilst the rest of us think poker is not really his game
"more rake is better"
WHY NOT REWARD SOMEOEN LIKE GARRET OUR KING OUR VIP OUR GOAT ID LOVE TO SEE HIM PLAY WITH THESE GUYS
Why is Vanessa Selbst interviewing DNegs about Phil Helmuth angle shooting amateurs?
Hey Phil, you actually have to have a hand for them to bluff off their money
Phil the Ric Flair of Poker Wooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
How do you call 25k with 3 overcards on the board, And then think 99 is good. That was one of the worst calls ive ever seen, anywhere. Ive seen queen high calls that werent that bad
his betting implied 9-9 was the worst hand he could have, chances were higher he had a lot better pocket pair then 9-9. Phil just casually forgets he was playing against amateurs and then rants they did not recognise his 'superior betting' :D
Putting Hellmuth on this stream was a huge mistake on Ryan's part, IMO. While what Daniel says is true - that these social media types aren't really intimidated by him since they are far more influential than he is in the wider world, he's basically an eeyore... a grump. People enjoy watching Phil lose to people like Negraneau or Tony G or Esfandiari... People who will needle him as he loses. But these amateurs weren't doing that, so in essence, Phil wasn't getting "tortured enough" to make his appearance on this stream worthwhile from a poker marketing perspective. At least that's how I see it. I would have much rather seen someone like Garrett Adelstein on the stream with them. Someone who's a top rim cash game player, but who can also very easily go with the flow and help create positive, fun energy at the table.
He knew ninjas name so he tries to chum it up w him
The only real good pro in that stream was Antonio "the magician" Ezfandiari who commented on the stream for 2 minutes
These 2 are best buds now???...Doug was all that trash talk against Negreanu in the beginning just for clout?
I think daniel was smart enough to capitilize off the fued and kno its just for youtube. Notice when all that stuff happened, daniel created his channel. Plus i dont really think daniel holds grudges like that. There some level of respect
They talked sh!t. Met up. Tested each other. Realized exactly where they are at with each other. And then walked away after the match like men. Now to collaborate and build a bigger future.
is that Sasha Grey?
when 100k to super high roller is like 1 dollars, its not really high stake anymore. play for a million , 2 million ante.
Tony, Phil, or Daniel would have been much more fun at that table.
Nice to see Phil aging gracefully