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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2018
- Bit of a different one this time! As forums are dead these days, and as everyone still constantly asks me about my RB20 R32 I built in 2012, I've done a pretty in-depth TH-cam based build thread on it for you...
If anyone wants to help contribute in some way to the progress of the channel, my Patreon is...
www.patreon.com/stavtech
Or if you want to cut out the middleman, my PayPal is- stavrosmediawork@gmail.com - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
You can tell a video is really good when 22 minutes feels like nothing.
SunPacBrolyGo KuZu thank you! I almost didn’t make this video as when I started it didn’t seem that interesting, but I was wrong as everyone’s loving it
Yeah bro you're really good at it. This video was informative without being boring as most videos on cars are. Never stop making videos bro, i look forward to more.
Agreed! I won't even bother with forged rods after seeing this. The pistons however look like a good investment if you have the money. But the rb20 is built to take the power. Had he not overboosted I bet he could have run stock internals for quite a while
that oil pump mod is fucking incredible
You're a legend for sharing the knowledge. Channel's like a library for anyone willing to think before modding
SnodeGR thank you! That’s exactly my aim!
You need to start selling those intake Plenums
I used to view your forum post on this car at least 3 times a month when I was interested in making 400+ hp with my rb20. Thank you for helping out the rb community! Glad to see this video, great work!
One_Clean _s13 thank you for the kind words!
I feel bad for everyone on the street now that I have this knowledge. I appreciate you sharing the info.
Great video. So glad I found this, I'm about a week from ordering an RB20DET for my S13
Homebrew Subaru thank you! I almost didn’t make this vid as I didn’t think anyone would like it, but it’s been really popular!
Thank you so much! i have had your DW forum post saved on my phone and laptop for a while now. Its the perfect inspiration for my build!
been following your stuff on dw for years and now following on Instagram and here now!
This car was always a bit of a inspiration to me and having just picked up my 32 last month time to start cracking on the rb20!!
Always excited to see a new Stav upload.
Thanks brother, keep it up.
Thanks for making these videos and the articles on your site. It’s nice to see someone with experience sharing their wealth of knowledge on the web. Please keep making content, it’s good stuff.
Q. Thank you! And I’ll do my best!
Outstanding Video mate!! Iv poured over your Driftworks thread on this car so many times you really nailed the Rb20Det setup and this build has majorly influenced my own build now taking place :) Very interesting about the equal flow inlet!!!
Dude love this so much! I just bought a rs341 for my RB20 R31 Pintara
Cheers for the awesome knowledge, big thanks from Australia
Awesome video, really alot of points in it that i listened to really well and rewinded a few times =P, when u mentioned motorsport i was like Doh! I was mindblown by really how much the intake manifold matters
Like always even though it’s a build spec vid it was still full of info.
Keep it up.
this is literally one of the best sounding rb's I've heard so far. I've never liked them. With your setup. I would definitely consider one now
ive read your thread multiple times on driftworks forum i believe? it was neat to see a video put together for it as well! thumbs up from texas! keep shredding tires dude
matthew fruia yes that’s right! And thank you! Only a basic video but as so many people ask me about the car it made sense to create it
Great video!!
Busy rebuilding my hcr324 rb20deT so was looking into type m gtst again.
Sounds absolutely awesome 👍 great build Stav
SORRYNOSCUM thanks! it did sound mega for sure
Absolutely great video dude. Appreciate it as i always wanter to know more about the r32 you had. GREAT!!
boosted242 thank you!
Careful Steve you keep sticking it to the “internet experts” and they might try to get you with bad words
Best video ive seen. Great work definitely hitting the subscribe button 🤘
Will fin thank you! I’ve not done any new videos in a while as been so busy, but I will soon!
Can't beat a protuner map, that r32 is the best one I've seen to date! Well done dude.
Luke Christou thank you! I almost didn’t do this vid as I didn’t think people would like it, but it seems really popular so glad I did!
Showed this to my friends in New Zealand... now i wanna build one soo bad
Awesome. Love the 20s
I really am loving this video! 👌🌋
Bloody interesting that. Keep em coming
Russell thank you!
Great video very helpful glad I watched it
Love the video!
Great video bud!
Matt Shaw cheers mate!
Thank you for the video. I have been trying to decide between getting GTS or GTI-r ( to be different) I love the gti-r platform but I want to build an RB, and this video sealed it. GTS is it, I am going to be using a lot of your suggestions, may even have a couple questions. Thanks again,awesome build
Great connect, all information needed to build awesome rb20. Think ML did a review of this car as well. Sure this engine will last long as it's build right.
Kewin D on that Monky London vid the car was crap and slow, hated it. Was running low boost and god knows what else wrong thanks to owners after me messing with it and making a mess of it.
Was gutted when I saw that video as looked slow as hell to me.
Doubt it was even 400bhp in that vid.
At least I’ve got vids from when I owned it and was actually fast.
Liked and subbed ! great build, Im running an F-con on my 1jz.. I get it tuned at Torque developments international. one of the few places that can map them. my favorite bit was your inlet manifold. Ive always had a soft spot for an rb20det. let me know if you ever need a cost price import. I have a decent supplier in Japan I can get anything.
Always read alot of your posts, loved the stance you took on building a weapon 20det which seems to be the forgotten RB( everyone wanks on about the 26) Glad you made this video as it disproves alot of haters and the 20dets potential needs to be more well known! A quick question, what was the full trim of the turbo you had?
that plenum design is superb! the sad part of most of the japanese tuning market is that there isnt much imput from proper race teams and group b style design. keep up the vids mate.
tnui cream thanks!
Car looked like a proper supercar murderer.
rustywrench yeah it wasn’t shy!
Hi I'm building a RB20DET I just wanted to know more info on the duel plane plenum intake manifold for the engine you built as I would like to try to fabricate one for my s13 2door silvia coupe project car with my RB20DET in it
Kind regards Jasmine from Sydney Australia 😀
hey just wondering if you had anymore into on the twin plenum inlet manifold? cheers
@Stav-Tech , where can I get a look at the measurements of your intake manifold?
Great video Stav! Ive got a r32 gtst with an rb20 myself. Im running a HKS GT2530 turbo, 480cc injectors, z32 maf and a walbro 255 fuel pump. All this i ran by a apexi power fc ecu mapped on a dyno with this setup on shell v-power fuel. However im running into detonation issues. Im curretly making 278whp on 0,9-1bar of boost and the knock value on the power fc is super high (confirmed by the tuner using headphones to listen for det.) Now when im driving on high load on high rpm the power fc is still flashing the cat light in the dash indicating that it's picking up knocking. Since you seem to know rb20s very well do you have any idea of a solution to this problem? The tuner is suggesting that i go e85 to solve the problem but i dont want to since we dont have e85 in the pumps around where i live. How did you manage to run 1,5 bar of boost and get 470hp with 0 knock, please teach me your ways! :p
Salazar Zain what AFRs are you running? Set issues at such low boost is odd regardless of setup, what mapper?
But on a pretty small turbo like you’re running it’s gonna have more set issues than something with decent turbine flow- that is part of it.
The equal flow inlet plenum deffo helped, though they managed 1.5bar on stock plenum too.
Switch to BP98 and upgrade coils/plugs (correct gap .8 or something). Fuel and spark I've seen is main issue to knock. A lot of people have pushed 300-340rwhp with a 2530.
May even be worth putting in a fuel reg.
Also - have noticed you're not the first one to complain of knock using a pfc, its like after a certain amount of air they can't read properly anymore. But usually at much higher boost into the mid 20s
You seem like a nice guy
Good vid! Can you do one on the 205, just a walk around and so on?
agentbob100 I’ll do the 205 once it’s back in action, as I’ve took a few bits off it at mo, won’t be long!
I’m thinking on doing the same thing to my Rb20 ur help would b gr8 🤙it is some job
19:22 the subtitle says [Applause] looool
Looking to get my hands on a Skyline do you still own yours?
The best part about this build was all the people on driftworks forums saying that Stav is wrong and that this setup will not perform good. Good times seeing their BS dismissed.
When you said that you made the piston ring gap the largest, where did the number come from? Is it just general knowledge or does this information come from piston manufacturer/service manual?
Arminas Ilginis yeah that was pretty funny, loads of people with no clue thinking they knew what they were talking about.
They were, as we knew all along, massively wrong, as I proved.
Regarding the ring gap, most manufacturers have their own recommended settings, but people do have their own general opinions too.
Where can we get one of those intake manifolds
I got a R32 GTST Type M with the same front bar, but did you add GTR front bumper vents to it? I’ve never seen that before on it
Yeah they’re just the GTR Nismo bumper vents
@@StavTech that’s sick, pretty creative, would try the same but I cut my front bar too much to get as much air into the intercooler so this wouldn’t work
Good build always liked it. But I’m not sure what you mean by the NIStune holding back? NIStune has good rep. Look at AUS and NZ, 80-90% of tuned RBs are on NIStune easily making 500+ wheel ?
MrKp0w holding it back exactly what I said it was, zero to do with power. It struggled to cope with adjusting the fuelling fast enough for what the turbo was allowing happen on and off
and part throttle. Was no doubt some of the issue the first mapper had too.
Not sure about most the NZ/Oz cars running it though? Almost everything decent is running mafless on Link and Haltech.
yeah nah, nistune is no good past the 5-600hp mark to be honest, you always see people run Link G4's, Haltech and Wolf at around and well above these power levels.
My preference is Link G4 as their quality and programming is unmatched.
I'm building an rb20det now. How much power would you recommend on stock pistons/rods.
500
Do you reckon I should copy your exact setup, or should I change it up a little and make my own?
Kinda feels bad copying people...
If i was to do it again, I’d run the same setup, but add some mild cams and decent coilpacks.
As it worked fantastic, but the tuner said there was at least another 50bhp in it with more boost and/or some cams.
awwww i currently swapping a 1jz-vvti from rb20det........hope it is better choice......
What company made the intake manifold for you Stav?
Wayne Clement Zurawski motorsport mate. They’re mentioned about 10 times in the vid!
I watched the vid at home last night and am at work right now so covertly finding out haha
Link ems and ls coils would have helped with boosting issues
Or just go a 25/30 and gain around 100nm+ everywhere
As good as rb’s sound on limiter revs and oil temp seem to be what kills them
On a side note was that inlet that good remember the Gibson Motorsport hr31 used a standard inlet manifold on the red top 20det mind you that car was insane with its single tube exhaust manifold and sounded mental
decent coils would’ve solved it, link wouldn’t have changed anything though.
A 2530 would’ve totally killed power. That’s basically what a 2871 is that was on it before.
Stav-Tech link would have ment a plug in ecu with map sensor sorry ment a rb30 with a 25det head not a different turbo
carbonfiber492 ah sorry yes! I’d just woke up and not thinking lol.
Yeah I had a RB30 for my old R32 GTR, and having link on one of my new cars, but this was a budget build as much as I could, just to prove you can get mega performance from the little 20
Stav-Tech I just remember when I built my last skyline it working out cheaper to go a link plug in (from memory adaptronic was cheaper again) than a nistune was to get working properly but I was also working with a neo head and wanted to keep the vtc
Rb20’s are a great little motor but the cost at least here in Australia makes them not worth it when a 25 is about the same price and a 30 short block can range anywhere from $50 up unless it’s running no one bothers with them still made 240kw on a China turbo before it lifted the head and through a welsh plug into the timing belt on my old 32 before it got a rb25 transplant
Yeah prices here are different, Nistune is less than half the cost of going Link, but if I'd have known it wasn't going to cope with the new setup I'd have went straight to a decent MAP management, as going Nistune then HKS cost me nearly what Link would here.
30 blocks cost a bomb here, as they only cams in a few old Patrols, most of which are long since scrapped!
I just imported a 92 gtst type m and have been trying to narrow down the most essential mods to get as close to 400 hp as I can get. What would you recommend to get as close as I can without breaking the bank and changing everything? If you have some time and see this comment. Please pm me or reply, I would actually greatly appreciate it. Cheers from the US.
Cooper 400 is possible on a heathy engine and standard internals for sure. Good size turbo on a tubular manifold, something rated to at least 500bhp, maybe 600, similar size to what I ran, then can just run a bit less boost for less stress. If you have E85 in your area your life will be a lot easier too.
Decent front mount, 3in+ exhaust, 550cc or bigger injectors, decent ECU, decent fuel pump, and a good mapper to set the car up properly and safely.
I ran about 450 on stock internals originally.
I am glad to what I was thinking is so close to your advice. I will post some videos soon and see what you think I can do better with it. Thanks man!
Legit rb20
Did you resurface the head and block to fit the mls hg?
Eternity if it isn't warped why would you?
I heard they don't seal good unless the head and block are perfect.
Rb’s are always a little warped when you pull them apart
everything was made sure was flat and rotating assembly was balanced too. I bet there’s tons of little things I’ve forgot to mention as it was like 6yr ago!
Nice! About the wastegate, Tial says that's a normal part of their design. Maybe the metals need room for expansion when hot?
Where is the link to the patreon dude ?
Oh and great vid, really enjoyed this.
It’s on the links that appear a few times in the vid, but it’s... www.patreon.com/stavtech Cheers!
wait its diesel?
Through a completely stock head?
Jesse B yes. Head gasket and head studs on the built engine, but that’s all. Mapper said cams would’ve made a big difference at that level, but it made it fine.
rewatching the vid, at around 10:45 he states that it's using stock rods and head. Only bottom end work was bearings and piston heads.
Awesome project. Appreciate the detailed break down. Gives me confidence in a Rb24 hybrid I plan to build using a rb25neo block/pistons with the lighter and shorter stroke rb20 crank and rods. You just saved me $1000 on needlessly buying forged pistons, when the 20's will clearly withstand 500hp.
Where can i get a intake manifold like that
Unfortunately Thomas who made this for me no longer has time to make these anymore
Wish i could find somewhere to source a propper one like this cheers awesome vid
crazy I thought 400 was top for the 20
Ben Barba yeah that’s what everyone used to say, but it made no sense to me, a 24v engine with decent size ports and valves, and a similar 16v head has no problem flowing that and more, so I decided to try, and yeah it’s not tricky if you do it right
Hahaha ratchet 30 psi cooked the stock 20det
I'm called bs you cant make over 220kw with stock cams it just cant flow that much air the mass air flow meter has to be cut and shut with welding glue because boost blows the top off mine full built motor kelford 276/287 cams ever done beside crank on e85 21psi 255 walbro 750 injectors n1 oil pump just cracked 287kw with 1160nm at 82000rpm nistune need to go back do bigger turbo 1000cc injectors bigger fuel pump and I'll be luck to crack 320kw his makeing 350kw there is no way you made that power, its tuned by dr drift well know tuner in Australia go
TH-cam dr drift hr31 dyno it was one of the vid it made 260kw but ended up with 287kw
Lol. Just because you can’t don’t make it not possible. 220kw is 295bhp, even the mildest cams on the planet when you got 24 valves and a lot of boost could make that.
Not sure why air flow meter is mentioned when it’s not even running one either?
gabpis “I’ve not managed it so it’s impossible” is basically what you’re saying.
Ps-
Stock 20DET cam specs are 240duration, 7.8 lift, same as 25DET cams, and longer duration but a little less lift than NEO ones.
And while the ports are slightly smaller, they sure ain’t small enough to limit power at the levels you’re on about.
Almost no factory 16v heads would be limited at that level, never mind a 24v one.
Meanwhile in reality bunch of people making over 300kw on stock cams.