BUYING THE RIGHT REVO - Which Revo Shaft is Right for You ? - The Five Choices You Need to Make
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- If you are ready to buy a Revo, you MUST this video before you buy your shaft. We will tell you the choices you should be prepared to make and why you should make specific choices.
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Thanks for this Brian. The video was extremely helpful and helped answer most of the questions I had. One question I still have though (which you answered in part) is regarding the 12.4. In your opinion, would you say that the characteristics, playability and feel of this shaft is more akin to the 12.9 or the 11.8?.
I have played with both the 12.9 and 11.8 but I have never played with the 12.4.
The 12.9 was what I started off with and after some practice I found that I really liked it. The only downside that I experienced was that table length draw (backspin) wasn't as easy for me to achieve with the 12.9 revo as it was playing with slightly smaller diameter tips on previous wooden shafts, so this is what made me want to try out the 11.8. I play a fair bit of snooker as well as pool, so I am used to a skinnier shaft, but for whatever reason I didn't gel with the 11.8 revo at all as the contact felt really clunky and I didn't receive good feedback on shots whatsoever. (For reference, both the 11.8 and 12.9 had the standard victory tip).
Given that I (mostly) liked the 12.9 and i didn't like the 11.8 so much, would you say that the 12.4 could be the compromise that I am looking for here?.
I reckon that if the characteristics of the 12.4 airs more towards the characteristics of 12.9 than it does the 11.8, then the 12.4 would be perfect for me.
I have a Revo 11.8 and a 12.4. I can’t tell any difference in the taper. I do probably use a shorter bridge and haven’t used a caliper on them, but just passing it through my closed bridge they look and feel the same on the stroke. If there’s a difference between the two I can’t see or feel it. How are they shaped differently.
I have never used anything smaller than 12.4 so I’m not sure I can tell you. I have large hands and I feel it would be a problem for me.
Yes after watching previous Revo reviews of yours I broke down and got a predator P3 curly maple with a Revo shaft I have 8 12.9 but I have played with a 12.4 and played really well with it also. I have a white Ferrell on my stick and I shoot with a predator victory soft. And I'm shooting some of my best pool. So I would highly recommend the revo also.
100 % agree with the no ferrule being a better option. When I play with my cynergy with a white ferrule. I have many more instances that I accidentally hit the cue ball during my practice strokes. When I use my Revo, those mistakes diminished dramatically. Because it is much easier to see the end of the tip with a black vault plate. Due to the blur. When you practice stroke, it creates a motion blur. And if you have a white ferrel, motion blur causes the cue ball and end of your tip to become "one" causing more cueball fouls. Also I'm using the 12.9mm. With a nickle shape. It is so accurate. I love it. Wont ever look back. Thanks for the great content and have a good day. Victory tips are the best!
Thanks for your insight 😊
2 weeks into playing with my P3 Revo 12.4 n I just missed my 1st break n run by hanging the 8. She feels smooth, hits solidly n I get precise control with a Kamui Soft. Practice is paying off bigtime, so thnx Bryan for the recommendation on the cue n your coaching!
I've tried all 3 and gotta agree with what you said. I use the 12.4 3.5oz 30inch revo with a HOW soft and couldn't be happier with it. I'd recommend the HOW line for tips over a kamui any day of the week. I can't stand kamui tops but love their roku chalk
Thank you , you answered all my questions in one short video
I will purchase the 12.4 with a soft tip
Thank you
Jim Schatz, Florida
Very welcome
Great info. I'm currently trying out a Zan Premium soft.
Brian, You are always so helpful and give the best advice.
Brian,
Great information regarding the Revo! Thanks
Question: I play/practice around 10-12 hours weekly and use Kamui soft tips. What would you estimate the life expectancy of the Victory equivalent tip?
I’ve learned so much from your videos and look forward to every one !!!
The Victory seems to hold up better but I change my tips every 6 months regardless of how worn they are at the time. With the number of hours you put in, both should last 6 months unless you spend too much time shaping them.
I guess I should have listened to this a few days ago but I absolutely appreciate the time the other day!!!
Thanks bro. I never played with one, always been a wood cue kinda guy but I'd love to play with one. Gotta save some $$$ 🤑 Come play some ghost ball sometime 👻🎱 I think you would dig it 👍
What's up bro, Just wanted to ask what do you think about the 12.4 30 innch" revo,,, Appreciate any feedback thank you
I had no idea of how much difference the sizes mattered. I think when I pull the plug I’m gonna go for the same size you use. Just want to find out if I have any spots nearby that will allow testing.
I prefer 11.8 wvp because I have small and short fingers :)
I ordered the Revo 12.9 shaft with a predator victory hard tip in a nickel size. That works great for me.
Soft tip was absolutely instrumental to fine tuning my revo. The shaft is stiff by itself and combined with a hard tip it plays and sounds like a bare bone plastic with zero feel in it, which can be quite disappointing until you slap the right tip on it.
Yes the Revo is optimized for a soft tip. Thanks for watching and have a great day
Soft or super soft tip?
Thanks for thoughtful ideas. Can't wait to try Victory tip. Went from K m to K s and miscues disappeared
Love the feel of the revo, however, do wish predator would come out with a 31" version as well as a white color option. The black blends in with my dark blue felt and I am less confident in alignment when using the revo and went back to the wood.
I appreciate you taking the time to tune in.
I kept getting skids or miscues from the tip on the cue ball. I've played with G2 it grabs so well rarely any miscues. The soft victory plays harder than a G2 medium as well. The victory also seem to have a little more deflection that the g2
Do you think I will regret going from the z2 for 15 years at 11.75 to the 12.4 debating going with a different brand 11.8 30 inch carbon shaft or the predator 12.4 30 inch shaft since they don't offer the 11.8 with the 30 inch shaft
LOL Ben I wrote you a long message about what I think and then lost it somehow. The bottom line is going from the 11.75 up will be easier than going the other way because the larger tip is more forgiving. You will also (once you get used to it) have more options on the market for future cue purchases and a larger market if you want to sell it later. I hope this helps.
How do you keep a tip from mushrooming how can you maintenance a soft tip
Wow, beside of well information video, your look and voice are exactly the same with Denzel Washington :D
I never get tired of being compared to Denzel. Thanks for watching.
Just purchased my first high end cue stick. Got the Predator Sport 2 - Black with Revo 12.4. I did get the medium Kamui tip thought because lots of reviews said the Predators delaminated. Anyways, is it going to be that big a deal I went with medium? I did that for longevity. Thanks and great review! Mine arrives TOMORROW! :)
I used to use medium on all of my cues - in fact for about 30 years - it’ll be fine.
Sir what is the difference or advantage use of a white and black vault on a revo shaft? Does it make a difference in your aiming? Thank you
There is no difference in the way they play. Some people could not adjust to the all black so they made the white. I have 4 revos, 2 black and 2 white. If you asked me in the middle of a match, which one I was just shooting with, I could not tell you. Thanks for your question.
Hi, thanks for the great video. I have a 12.9 Revo 29 inch. I play with an open bridge and find it too thick. I want to buy the 12.4 and have tested it from a frind so that works fine. The only variable that I am not sure of is the 12.4 30 inch. How different does this shaft play? My arms are long so a longer shaft would be better. Thanks
I would say unless you’ve been playing and playing well for many many years get used to the 30 inch. it’s difficult for me to switch over because I have so many years with the 29 inch. Otherwise it’s all personal choice.
Thank you. Appreciate your advice😊
I have two revo 12.9 shafts. One with a Zan hard tip. The other with a Samsara Jump/Break tip. Of the two I prefer the revo with the Samsara tip ( for breaking and playing ). The Samsara contact sound annoys everyone. If you're curious try someone's BK Rush but use as a playing cue. Very close to the Samsara.
I know all about those tips. I was using them 15 years ago. I’m sure I have some stored somewhere but they’re certainly dried out by now.
I want to buy a new pool cue , what is the best buy for about 900 hundred dollars
I would buy a predator P3 with a Revo shaft
You recommend a soft tip but don't really give any reasoning. Care to tell us why?
Much like soft tires, a soft tip puts more grip on the ball allowing the English to take better and giving you fewer miscues
Great info, especially the shaft size pros and cons. Thank you.
Thanks always for such great content for educating me on Revo shafts I was in the fence between them and McDermott Defy shafts.
Keep up the awesome work your channel has been thee most informative so far.
Thank you!
Got it love it not the price but has a feel like no other
Would you guys put the shaft on a players cue or just buy the whole stick from predator? May be a stupid question.
It’s a way of saving some money but it’s not the ideal situation. if you are going to want a predator base at some point get the whole thing now,it’s hard to find just the butt of a cue for sale
@@FXBilliards Appreciate it I ordered the sneaky Pete with 12.4 REVO for base
Can you give suggestions how to find an APA league to join that is looking for members?
Depending on the area of the country you live in there might be 3 or 4 league operators in short driving distance. I would call each league office and tell them that you’re looking to get on a team and they can keep an eye opening for a spot
Good luck sir🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
Can you speak to shaft length? 30” vs 29”?
I’m tall but I only use a 29 because that’s what I’ve been using all my life if I used a 30 I think I would screw up my timing and my pre-shot. If I was a beginner, I would use a 30 being at 6’1
What are your thoughts on using a zan grip hard or zan boost tip on a revo shaft?
I personally find that most brands of low deflection cues work better with softer tips. I’m not a fan of hard tips
What would you recommend if u have to have a maple shaft do to regulations?
I like the predator 314 shaft. That’s what I use when I don’t use carbon fibre
Hi Brian
You covered the ups and downs of the different shafts perfectly. I play with the 11,8 wvp and its get me out of some bad positions being able to draw 2 table lengths if needed, however it also cost me a final hill-hill game. I had to shot the 9 straight up the table and got just a little bit of side with a nervous arm, it was enough to throw the 9ball and it stuck in the pocket. I do not recommend the 11,8 for beginners.
How do I no what size fits my cue
Any retailer will be able to tell you. Tell them what you have and they’ll know
I started with the Z-Shaft and transitioned to the 11.8 and every now and then I switch back and forth. I want to get another shaft cause your right that 11.8 if by far Accurate, precise, lots of spin. However at times when I switch back I shoot better with the Z. I want to purchase the 12.4 as well and I love using Radio Pin also Preador said it’s the best connection. Do you agree. I want to try that 12.4 so bad
I have only used the uni-loc so I could not tell you which is best. BUT Predator would know best.
Radial is way better than uni-loc in my opinion. Less vibration and much more solid hit. I would never go back.
I have a radial pin and a uniloc and a 3/8x14 and a 3/8x10. And I can’t tell a difference from one to the next. The only thing I notice is if one is wood joint and the other is a steel joint. Wood joint has a softer hit. A joint with a steel sleeve over the wood is right inbetween.
Very good
Hey Brian, when you scuff the tips on your revos do you use the tapper or just scuffing and shaping them?
I use the last 4 ever tip tool to shape it and then scuff it a couple times a week (as needed) I use victory tips and Kamui tips, both soft.
Appreciate that my man. I was thinking about putting a kamui soft on mine as well. Very different playing with a carbon fiber shaft. I'll have to adjust. I'm sure it's worth it in the end
@@FXBilliards hi, which radius do you shape them?
Is that a Kasson pool table? Just out of curiosity, it looks exactly like the one I have in my basement. If so, that's pretty cool I haven't seen many on TH-cam.
Yes it is
Hi Brian. I don’t know much of the game, but why Revo with Hard tip you think is bad? I play with Revo 11.8 and Kamui Athlete Hard.
LD cues are optimized for soft tips. By design soft tips are lower deflection.
Hello there again,this is undoubtedly a fine cue,however budget wise not viable currently. Could you recommend a specific "sneaky Pete" cue,in order that one day I may be able to treat myself to one of these beauties? Thank you.
Lucusi cues have the same Uniloc as predator cues. That would be a good place to start and then your shaft will fit your Predator cue if you were to buy one later. Thanks for watching
FXBilliards thanks for your prompt response,all info duly noted,thanks again for a great channel.
FXBilliards l have just spent two almost sleepless nights pondering the purchase of this beauty.Dont panic I haven't robbed a bank but I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy one now. I have observed your recommendations 12.4,soft victory tip,anything else I should consider pls?
FXBilliards pls advise I can't wait to get hold of this baby !!
If you are going with a SPete a used one (butt of cue) can also be an option.
Great advice!
Glad it was helpful!
Is that Sniff I see in the mirror at 1:34
I never identify the people in my videos in case they weren’t supposed to be at the pool hall on that day- you know what I mean
Haha YES! good find. Thats pool hall junkies for ya.
One thing that concerns me is that the tip must be installed by an authorized predator repair service as to not void the warenty. and predator does not have any authorized repair centers. Any comments on this?
Predator has hundreds of authorized repair centers. Most retailers that sell predator shafts have someone authorized to change a tip. I’ve got four within an hour of my house. You can also send it to predator for a tip repair and they’ll send it back within a week. Oh, and by the way, no expensive shafts by any company should ever be worked on by anyone other than professionals, or you are just asking for trouble? I know lots of guys that do it but it’s a bad idea.
I am thankful for your information on the revo differences, I am looking to buy a predator cue next month
Right now I have a player's cue butt, with a 314-3 & a kamui super soft tip.
I was thinking about a sport 2 with the 12.4 revo & a soft tip . What do you think ?
Thanks for the information and effort.
If your have access to a local pro shop that stocks these 3 variants, give em all a whirl.
If your a backcountry bumpkin' this is as close as a guy can get.
Appreicated from Montana.
😃
I will buy revo white vault plate
I was thinking about ordering the 11.8 Revo I right now use a 12.5 cynergy so would it be best to just order the 12.4 Revo instead of trying the 11.8
I think you will find the 12.4 to be a nice transition. I have a student that went from a cynergy 12.5 to a Revo 12.4 and never picked up the cynergy again.
@@FXBilliards 😎 me thank you for the information. im going to give the victory tip a try as well. I have always used kamui medium
Some guys complain that soft tips mushroom out too quickly. Do you agree with that assessment where the Victory tip is concerned? Thank you for an excellent presentation.
I have not in 20 years had a tip mushroom. Any tip. Ever. I do play with quality tips and replace them more often than most people might but mushrooming is not something I have seen in 15 years.
@@FXBilliards Thank you for your prompt reply! I just ordered a Predator Carbon Fibre Shaft and will leave the tip that comes with it and replace it as necessitated by circumstances. Sure like some of those shots in your introduction.
Thank you for this video! Have you heard of or noticed any production variations/quality control issues amongst the shafts? I've read that some have a dead sound, or some have a ringing/pinging sound, or some even click when striking the ball. That's really the only factor in my purchasing decision. Thanks again for the videos, they are so helpful and entertaining!
I’ve never once heard such issues from anyone who actually owns the shaft. I’ve only heard it from people who heard it from people. Predator has one of the best warranties and quality control in the industry so I can’t imagine this is a legitimate issue. I’ve owned over 10 predator shafts in the last 15 years with zero problems.
Great Video. Have you played with the Cuetec Cynergy shafts? If so how do you compare them to each other?
I have not played with a Cynergy for any extended period of time.