Learn How to Make MONSTER Folds in Poker by Noticing this Pattern
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, Bart discusses this pattern that will allow you to make big folds in live poker that are correct. This is an important concept to be aware of if you want to make consistent profits in live poker.
at 11:03 Article Bart wrote referenced in the video about “negative equity slowplay” - crushlivepoker.com/articles/s...
0:00 - Intro
1:34 - Preflop
2:28 - Flop
5:24 - Turn
7:42- River
8:50 -- Pattern Introduced
9:32 - Hero Decision
10:17 - Reveal and Pattern Discussed
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Make sure to listen to the part at 8:52 and then the reveal at 10:17 and what the BB says.
My favorite OMC story: at table with seventy something, he gets shoved into on the river, does a sophisticated analysis out loud and makes the call with Ace high. Winner. Young guys shocked asked him how. "I got this TV at home with a typewriter hooked up to it that helps me learn about the game".😂
That guy is a king
What I appreciate most about this video is an OMC is willing to come onto the call in show and still want to improve his game. Most guys his age are too stubborn and set in their ways
It’s a beautiful thing
Bart's advice to bet small when you're inclined to slowplay-check is spot on. Might induce when opponents read it as blocker bet. I've played with a lot of OMCs who will block bet small and fold to raise.
Ah, love the old fellow calls 👍 Played the hand also perfectly
Meh
@Jimmy Two Times could have folded out the flush with a strong bet on the flop
@@econgator6153 oh FFS,Captain Hindsight!
Thanks Bart . Your videos have been very helpful 😊
Wow - wish I were as succinct as you!
(see my comment above )to understand what I mean 😄
The reason I heard why 4 colour decks aren’t used live is because people can potentially see the colour of a card when they’re thrown into the muck so if they’re on a flush draw, they cannot tell which suit the cards are by seeing the colour from underneath the cards
Also, we gamblers are rather a conservative bunch. We've been using the bi-colour deck just fine since 1480...
J.Little covered this recently too. When dealers deal the hole cards cards sometimes you can see the colour that's being thrown out.
Some dealers just like to toss the cards high in the air.
With multicoloured decks it's easier to see which players got dealt which suits.
Yeah it’s just because you can see the suit when they’re dealt or mucked
That's a nice theory but I've been to several card rooms where this subject has been broached and every time the dealers or floor personnel said the players just didn't like it. It had nothing to do with suit visibility in mid-air, players just aren't used to seeing blue and green and it annoyed them. Keep in mind these are the same people that asked for you to wash the deck or get a new setup anytime that they're running card dead, so they don't want to argue with the fish, they are who keep the games running after all.
I would cbet the flop $30. Can get called by gutshots with backdoor flush draw, or a Jack, or a pocket pair between 5 and 10. Especially at a "splashy" game like he said. I would slow play heads up, but with 3 other players in the hand, somebody likely caught some piece of this. And if everybody folds, so be it. Better to win a small pot than lose a big one.
More importantly, he figures to want to c-bet with weak hands on a board texture like J42r at least some of the time. His hand is face up when he checks flop, then ends up raising at some point later in the hand.
Johnathan Little explained that it is easier to see a four color deck live when dealers aren't careful. Easy to see green and blue on a flash but you can't identify which suit if it's red and black.
I completely agree with him. The easiest thing to see is face vs non-face, closely followed by suit color.
The best thing I've done for my poker game is simply putting money in when I think I'm ahead. People get too fancy.
I'm a bit of an OMC myself and revert to old school rule about slow playing big hands. Only do it when the next card off can at best make them a strong second best hand. Set of Kings on K72 rainbow, for instance.
Pretty rare situation then. You basically have to flop quads or better or top set on a very disconnected rainbow flop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj extremely rare. Middle set with a disconnected board is a pretty good spot where you check someone into trips or aces up.
@@frederickmccabe5675 middle set I’m much more inclined to just bet to try and get value from top pair.
Hey Bart, this OMC nit thig is only in US, I play is a local Cassino in São Paulo and here OMC = Splashy and CS it is not possible to bluff the OMCs around here lol, it is actually Young Kid Coffe
Incredible fold. And one I could NEVER make. Well done sir.
With 2 to go on the flop I'd check also. Most turns improve the others but you're still ahead.
I had a situation recently where I decided to go ahead and bet flop with top set in a situation where in my base strategy I would never, ever bet and it was primarily due to content I've seen on this channel explaining that in live poker it's OK to be a bit unbalanced especially in multiway spots. However that was on a board where there was a flush draw and also there were four other ranges in the hand which pushed me towards making a bet in the hopes that someone had something to continue with even against this show of extreme unbalanced strength.
It wound up working out because I got quite a bit of action and ultimately won a big pot vs a set and a flush draw but I did get into spots later in the hand where I didn't know what to do because my range was so unbalanced to just having top set and really I couldn't have very many other hands that I would ever be betting with.
So I like Bart's note that if you are going to unbalance your play you still have to keep an eye on how it fits into your overall strategy and how it goes along with your image. I fortunately had been able to be pretty aggro that session which helped me get action when my opponents probably should have just been folding range.
I actually worry less about balance at a live table where I will be sitting for 4 to 6 hours and people come and go. I worry a lot more about player types and their VPIP. When it's often multiway 4 or even 5 players they aren't evaluating you and your "balance" they're evaluating whether they can win the hand with their own holdings..........so in the situation called into Bart I am with Doyle Brunson - play the set faster rather than slower.
I’d be much less inclined to slow play a set on a board with a flush draw or open ended straight draws plus two pair possibilities (eg JJ on J76).
But I think sometimes slow playing top set on a really dry board like this is okay. Especially if you’ve got some compulsive bluffers in the hand that will always be when checked to.
@@gerontius3 I think this is right but it just runs so counter to everything I do as an online player to try to protect myself from strong players that I often struggle to actually make the moves I know I should make.
Winning the biggest pot of my life (not the biggest pot I've been in, alas) hopefully will provide some good positive feedback
Huge fan bart🎉
Donk betting this river with a smallish size definitely felt like a straight to me. Even though the guy claimed he didn’t see the flush.
You’d think the dont lead w the straight on the river would be smaller though right? 196 is too much at these stakes w these stacks to bet that much and fold. Maybe 75-100 is better
2/3 pot is certainly not a small size. Also, it's not a "donk bet" when he was the aggressor on the previous street.
@@cj7139 I know. I was just going with what he claimed in the video
Really enjoyed Roger's call - perhaps because the indications were SO clear that even another OMC like me would have found the fold!
(also want to compliment you Bart on both the show's excellent format and your extremely personable demeanor. You manage to say what needs to be said yet in the process avoid putting callers in a defensive posture, the #1 rule in effective teaching because no-one learns if they feel under attack. Kudos - imo there are none who have both your knowledge AND the skills to effectively share it. There- I've said it!🤗)
I haven’t even heard the hand here but I’m gonna tell you this at low and Mid stakes you should almost never fold top of range. The exceptions usually involve old man, coffees or bets that are 300 big blinds or bigger.
Can’t forget multi-way scenarios
@@mattpitstick6884 yeah that too. I’ve now listened to the hand and it sucks but it’s a pretty easy fold.
Hero has so many Axd and straight combos here that JJ is probably somewhere below the middle of his range.
@@Its__GoodJJ might actually be the worst hand he gets to the river like this with tbh.
He probably doesn’t open 44-22 from UTG. I assume TT-66 just fold the turn when BB leads out into 4 players.
AA-QQ and Jx all bet the flop. There’s no two pair combos that you’d open from UTG.
Maybe he plays some of his worst Jx combos this way. J9s or something. And maybe 55 which turns an open ender.
BB river bet was definitely a dirty stack. I once bet 56 instead of 60 :D
Trivial call with no one behind/trivial fold with two behind.
Incredible. Hero absolutely crushes the flop and gets a rainbow board. One card later, and already behind to the nuts. One more card, and nut straight's losing to any diamond flush.
Such a cruel game!
I still like the check on the flop he just crushes the board. Of course that board kind of favors a late position call from a big blind.
How often do you flop a set let alone top set? 4 handed I am betting the flop every time. So I only win $100. That puts me up $100. Sometimes trying to catch a fish is OK - but not when there are 3 in the hand........
I just want to say that I am nowhere near Roger's age and I am all for four-color large print cards.
Only thing is that it's easy to tell which suit a card is when they fly across the table. Whereas with a 2 color deck, you can often just see if a card is red or black but not know the suit. It's easy to pick out blue green red or black though.
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Could villain not have A5 suited, flat pre, and check back the flop?
Flop check is fine. Turn you have to look ahead and realize that BB may jam on you and that you're committed. If he shows you the straight then you can fold, but given he can also have a lower set or two pair you have to go with it.
That is all fine though, just need to watch if more draws come in especially if other people call. Both those things happened and hero got away from their hand. But yeah if it goes fold fold blank and they jam even though it is 2x pot you absolutely cannot fold there.
Also BB could certainly be betting some top pair as well since they probably don't have a donk lead of the flop.
Is that tuff fish from back in the day??? It really sounds like him. I miss that guys tilting videos.
What do people think about introducing a 4 color deck in live poker?
Amazing move. Livens up the table aesthetic a bunch. I love when streams use the four-color deck. It's also good because it differentiates poker from other table games to casuals, but you could argue you'd want gamblers to see it in that category and take a seat. I don't think it's that important though--love the shift overall.
Personally, I like it in a casino, the camera can more easily see the suits... Home games, meh/whatever...? Old-timers that never have seen them tend to not like it (pale colors get harder to see/distinguish as people age...TBH)...
I don't like it...the two colour deck means there's more chance that tired/drunk players can misread the hand/board and donate chips 😊
Just general resistance to anything different. If 4 color decks were introduced, people would eventually prefer them.
@@robertwasden2691 haha good point!
This was a fun hand. I thought hero played it just fine. I personally like Bart's suggestion to just C-bet small instead of checking. Otherwise, hero played it perfect. This river was a trivial fold. It hurts to fold top set, but the way this played it's just never good.
I have played 2-5 at CC a few times. Bets must be in increments of 5, even all-ins, so $196 is not a legal bet, could have been $195
Every room has dealers who don't know the rules or don't like to enforce them.
I have yet to see a dealer make this particular mistake at 2-5 but you never know.
Rules aren't the same everywhere.
@@davidbeenjammin The rooms I've played in lately there's 5/5 where an all in is rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5, but in 2/5 all the chips play in an all in. About a third of the dealers try to apply the 5/5 rules at 2/5.
Right I was just strictly talking about coconut creek in my observations. It’s the same way at the Hard Rock, the other Seminole property down here.
Where is the Notes on Crush Live Poker Where is Discord link ?
why are we flatting the turn?? just curious
I don't understand the comment about calling there in 1/2 or 1/3 where bluffing is more rare.
FYI: there appears to be a typo in the title ('Learn TO HOW make')?
Fixed.. thanks!
I feel like I'm raising and charging the draws on the turn here. There's too many people in the pot at that point and if someone hit the straight I still have outs.
Unfortunately, at this point, you're already losing to the straight!
Imo - I do not slow play OOP in a multi way pot.
I’m leading 100/100 flop in this scenario.
I fold that all day long with 3 others in the hand. One of them (at least) has a flush.
JJ is usually a pure limp UTG by an OMC!
It's been my experience that OMCs only exist at 2/5 or lower. 10/20 or 5/10 match a stack the 55 and up guys can all flat out play poker. Maybe not GTO, but definitely solid exploitative players. IMO.
I wish four color would catch on in live play. It's better, but people are weird and hate change, even if it's an improvement. 😕
Yes, we gamblers are a conservative bunch really; the bi-colour deck has worked fine for over 500 years... :)
It's easier for half the table to spot a color than a suit, when a crappy dealer isn't dealing perfectly level and low to the table. Also, be very, very wary of shiny card protectors, if playing with a 4-color deck.
It’s nothing to do with tradition or resisting change. You can see the suit when cards are dealt or hands are mucked, that’s why they will never be used
This caller is a OMT Old Man Trump!!! Lives at mar a largo plays in Florida!
I don't get the hate for 4 color decks. People get so irate. I like them.
Potentially bad move in live games. Makes it much easier for players to glimpse others' suits when being dealt or mucked.
@@conorm2524 Ridiculous logic. If the problem is players showing each other cards, make all suits the same color. Why bother having 2 colors? 4 color isn't a problem people just want to keep things like they are.
@@Dexerion Well, I see my reply went completely over your head. Carry on, soldier. 🤦♂
The bet on the turn is not a donk bet, its a lead
So we see what the check on the flop got him. "I want my opponents to improve". They certainly did. BOTH were beating you. And his defense was "this was such an unusual flop that it made sense to slow play'. WHY??? WHat are you hoping for? Let's say villain has A 9. And it goes check check (ignoring the other players to keep it simple). And a 9 of hearts shows up on the turn. And you check the turn. Often times the villain is still a bit concerned with mid pair and checks back. Now the river. You MIGHT pick off a small bet on the river. Is that what you want from top set? And what if someone had like A 4 or A3. They are NEVER leading out but MIGHT call. A straight draw? Never leading out but MIGHT and usually DO call. And worst of all you don't protect your small betting range on the flop which you should doing with nearly any 2 cards.
I think he played it perfectly. he was way ahead so he checked the guy caught up he called one street and then folded when he was behind.
Bruh if he did anything but check that flop he’d be nuts
Oh wow that makes sense he didn't see the diamond. Nobody would ever be bluffing or betting just 56 in that spot here.
Hero would have had to play the hand drastically differently to come out the winner. I'm not mad at his play.
I guess if he bets big on the flop he probably takes the hand down, but that doesn’t mean betting big on the flop was the right thing to do.
He had BB and button crushed. Just got unlucky.
@John Smith with that dry board it would have been hard to win any more than what was in the pot if he donk led out.
@@Williy_Nilly yeah I agree. I can see why he slow played it.
By betting he could have taken it down on the flop, but that’s being results oriented.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj with such a dry board, you hope someone will catch up on the turn so the pot can build, b
ut when you have the worst turn and river cards in poker history, you just gotta chalk that up to bad luck and muck.
@@Williy_Nilly yeah I agree, I think hero played it well personally.
Trying to trap with a nitty image is not how you get paid, at best all you do is squeeze out one bet from your opponent and give him a lot of opportunity to catch up. What you want to do is just employ a simple downsized bet. Your opponent is going to be making a mistake if they don't call getting 5 to 1 in a lot of these situations, so bet $25 and you'll get your value. It's also leaves plenty of post flop playability to fold if you lose control of the hand in the event that your opponent actually does make the nuts.
Lastly, there's no such thing as a donk bet when you have forfeited the initiative. By checking on the flop your opponent has every reason to believe that his range beats yours when he elects to lead out on the turn, that is not a donk bet. A donk bet is when you lead into the initial raiser before he has had an opportunity to act, a move only a donkey would do because you have no idea whether or not you're going to get raised.
Definitely a good fold, but too many people can’t do it.
Bet the flop hard take it down-he let BOTH back doors catch up
Ace 5 got there.
This guy sounds like someone doing a Donald Trump impression.
Not a good one as I hear coherent sentences and haven't heard bigly once
@@nathanpeel8091 Biden and his incoherent ramblings make Trump sound like Winston Churchill.
Hit the nail on the top bit!
@@nathanpeel8091 we're not talking about Biden here. The king of incoherency
Exactly
I'm not checking top set If I get outdrawn so be it
Agree - cb flop jam turn.
They don't use four colored decks in the casino because of cards flashing. Too easy to see the green or blue
This guy sounds like Donald Trump doing an impression of Rudy Giuliani.
Sounds like Grandpa Simpson too
Wtf was that?
Huge mistake to slow-play four ways.
Lol knew this was a fish right when he opened mouth. Checks the nuts with 4way action. Sad. He should have won this on the turn with another bet. Fish never learn
I like the ones that check the nuts down trying to trap you, yet blast off with Ace high and two pair on board.
look at the flop you fool,perfect for slowplaying
@@Gos1234567 and perfect for getting sucked out on. Depends on number of players. It's bad enough he's out of position, which can be OK but you have to get down to one opponent on the flop - and he already described the table as loose with lots of people playing "any two."
How can he win it on the turn? The BB turns the nuts and thinks he's also on a flush draw
The slow play is not really a good play, but in this instance it probably saved him a chunk of his stack by not c-betting...the BB may well have called and at that point OMC is doubling his bet on the turn only getting it in bad
Slow play is scared play
TOO MANY PLAYERS INVOLVED BET IT TO THIN THE FIELD