I’m getting it in on the turn. I think on the flop you need to bet bigger, about $180-220, to make it look like you are trying to protect and overpair which should force the 77 to play his hand more straightforwardly and check raise. His small lead on the turn is strange and I would just raise now to protect my hand vs button who has an obvious spade draw and get value from HJ’s worse value hands before the river is an action killer. Raising turn also prevents you from making an incorrect fold like the caller did here. This hand is like a chess puzzle, you need to be thinking ahead several moves. The small cbet on the flop was an error that further compounded itself on the turn and river. Just bet your strong hands strongly at low stakes, you don’t need to balance.
Downsizing at small states has less to do about balance and more to do about value. The ranges are so ridiculously wide that you really need to capitalize on all of those middle pairs or random over cards your average life player will try to chase.
@@ticenits1926 absolutely. Players at low stakes are simply never folding a flush draw for pretty much any amount. Even a 2/3rds flop cbet might be too small here. Famous last words: “I didn’t drive all the way to the casino to fold a flush draw!”
To answer Bart's question about what hands people double flat with, 77 is absolutely the first hand I think of, before seeing a flop. So, personally I was thinking there were five sevens in the deck, and if anything blocked that being true, I'd just hope that if it's a rare set/set/set flop, the guy with JJ was the shorter stack so I'd get the side pot. I actually like the half pot flop bet, especially if you make a habit of it, as it leaves no balancing problem for deciding small vs large continuation bets, and makes opponents' decisions to call vs raise pretty unbalanced themselves. At a table of nits, rocks, and clowns, it is a great "ABC poker" form of taking plenty of money without giving off sizing tells. With very little reason to suspect AK. K9, JJ. or QQ, I have 10 outs against 98 and better than the usual 33.4 percent chance of hitting it, with straights, straight draws, and even flush draws unblocking pairing the board. The most likely set 77 blocks pairing the board, but I have it crushed already. Worst case scenario is one guy has a straight, the other has set or 2 pair, but that still allows 8 outs plus the coin flip of which guy has which, where you can get the side pot. Far from the worst spot that someone who sees monsters under the bed can imagine themselves in. I hold my breath and shove that turn all day long. Let the other guys worry whether to call or not. I'm 65 and my image is that when I have a huge hand or huge draw, you won't know the difference, but (like the villain here) that calling any big bet from me often leads you to feel avoidable pain. I don't intentionally bet into oversets despite that image, so if villain actually did so, he either knew hero severely overfolds to his image, or he's a wilder rock than most. This hand is a great example of putting your money where your read is, and getting it wrong, when simple ABC poker gets the money. If you are +EV on making those reads and doing dangerous exploits with the reads, don't stop doing them. Just adjust your idea of how this specific guy plays. And if you made it obvious what your hand was, adjust how you think they view you, too. When you lose at any +EV move, it's a cost of doing business. When you lose due to a leak, plug the leak. I'd buy the villain dinner with casino points for showing the hand, for showing me that my image of him needed adjustment, but of course I wouldn't tell him that's why. I'd tell him it was to congratulate him for winning such a great hand.
Being from Cleveland Ohio and playing at Jacks the mid to higher stakes games suck…the games are normally filled with men normally over the age of 60…the games are very passive an nitty…the reason why the 2/5 is not 1K cap because players don’t have the bankroll and don’t want to short buy…IN ANY OTHER GAME I’M NOT FOLDING A SET…AK and K9 will always be called off pre flop for 35 extra dollars and YES PEOPLE FLAT AK ALL THE TIME AND PLAYERS DON’T BET 600 on the River without not having IT!!!
Well, at my table 2/5 last week a player flatted AK from LP into a raise and a call on a straddled pot. Seen a flop 4ways, he's got stacked by a pocket 77 on a AK7 flop!??
That result is fucking wild. I couldn't fold TT here facing 1/2 pot bet. If villain jammed, then sure, but this is one of the best hands we will have here, and villain is laying us a good price. I'm not sure that any worse hands would bet for value, but I can see some players turning hands like AJ, KJ, KT, J9 into bluffs once in a while so I'd have to sigh call.
OOF. Honestly, I'm with the caller I also would have made the super exploitable fold here if it was a guy who "always has it". The only thing that makes me hesitate is he should be putting the rest of the stack in if he has a straight. Gross spot, definitely have to work on this because from the discussion it sounds like I should lean towards calling and maybe decide on folding vs the other way around.
Over the years, I would have called here without too much thought. If he doesn't have the straight then I win, so if he is bluffing about 25% of the time then I have a profitable call. However over the last year or two I've started folding much more often in these positions, and I've increased my win rate considerably. My player pool, and OMCs in particular, just aren't bluffing here 25% of the time.
@@daithi1966 exactly, people use this "I need to be right whatever % of the time" mostly to avoid making a fold they don't want to make.. 25% is pretty high.. no way people bluff 1 in 4 times in spots like this, except very specific profiles
I swear I put him on 77. I think that he DIDN'T put him on a set, but he changed his mind because he realized how tough the decision was for the caller.
I would have gone with a much larger flop bet of $250-$300 on a wet board multiway to set up a turn shove on a brick. This commits your stack early while avoiding difficult decisions on the river and realizing 100% of your equity and value for the hand.
I'm on the turn here, guessing the HJ has KQs, if not KQs specifically. top pair, good kicker, and strong draws so even if he's beat now he's got tons of outs, and he's prepared to call down bluffs, or bet again on the river if he hits.
I think missing from this analysis is what villain thinks hero has. He's the 3 better, so given he flatted the turn, you probably have to cap hero's range at sets, overpairs, 2 pair hands on the river.
I like a raise on the turn. Even though caller claims the villain would never bet without a monster hand, he could still just be naming his price on a hand like a huge combo draw or pair plus a draw using his tight image to make the caller play scared especially if hero might have a hand like AA. As played it's still an obvious call on the river because hero beats some value hands and even an OMC will surprise you with some bluffs.
Yesterday at 5/5 I played a 3-bet pot 6 ways and a 3 bet pot 5 ways. Uggh. I flopped a set on the 5-way pot and managed somehow to lose all 3 run-outs after all-in on the flop. On the 6-way pot I had AA vs a flopped boat but managed to overboat the villain on the turn.🙄
Yea raising on the turn is acceptable or just calling it down is also acceptable. U cant fold in that spot on the river. Now if it completed 4 to a straight well then it would be a tough spot where image does play. But i would think villain would have jammed it in if he actually had it so i would have called.
Call small raises with top pair or two pairs otherwise check it down or if your opponents fold allot to c bets then I would c bet small. Call or raise with trips or set or better. Re raise with flush or better. All in with four of a kind or better. My rules I play by
I can't fold sets like this. Some situations can be pretty obvious, but this was weird. That strange turn donk, combined with a blank river, means I'm never folding.
4 way pot. Super wet board. SPR around 3. How am I not going all in on this flop? The only other option I see here is to bet $200 or so on the flop and jam the turn. This seems VERY different form a heads up spot where it may make more sense to take things more slowly. Even if my suggestions are somehow lower EV, they save me from being in a bunch of tough spots later. A small flop bet gives too many hands decent pot odds to see a turn. You are inviting callers but any turn spade, 8,9,Q,K or A is bad. At least if I bet 200-300 on the flop, I make bad draws either muck or overpay. I also get more or less pot committed, which seems OK here.
Last night I had pocket tens. 25c/50c blinds $50 buy in. I hit trips on flop. Straight draw on board. Me and one other opponent in the pot. He raises to 3$. I re raise him to 6$. Flop comes up with another straight draw card. Opponent raises 3.50$. raise to $10.50 and opponent calls. River comes a 10. I hit four of a kind and throw my whole stack in and he calls and I win. He had straight with no flush draw on board and thought I had the same or put me on trips only. 😂
I have a feeling the main villain played it this way because just to avoid the turn getting checked through. He probably thought this was an action killer and recognized that by being out of position with multiple draws coming in to play and in particular the button quickly becoming pot committed he just decided to steal the initiative and make sure he got max value from his set. His speech play about bluffing was just pure luck, nobody expects you to be folding a set there.
The reg is not tight at all. He just played sparingly all evening due to cold deck. He knew H was a Nit, so he adjusted accordingly. . I don't believe he put H on a set. Top pair or 2 top pairs, max.
Why can't he have QJ here? It's effectively the same hand as he did have. I dunno, the call 3 ways and then a small donk on the turn just seems like a pretty good hand that he feels he 'needs' to bet but is scared because it's such a dangerous situation. I think he is almost always raising 89 on the flop, and even he does somehow have AK on the turn, he's going to check jam it. A nit isn't going to give two people a price to call with all their draws.
why is it good to unblock top set? I’m still relatively new to poker. I thought unblocking specific cards was good bc it means ur opponent is more likely to try to bluff you or call with a worse hand. If you’re unblocking jacks doesnt that mean ur opponent could call u with a better hand? i mean obviously u cant just assume villain has jacks and waste middle set in a pot like this, but why is it specifically good he’s unblocking?
It is good because you want players to have AJ, KJ, QJ and JT because they think they have a good hand, will give at least some action and they are drawing almost dead. If the board is T96, that cannot happen as much because there are fewer combos of AJ and so on and nobody can have a set of tens. Hand like A9 -T9 probably folded more, but even if they are still in the ranges of your opponents, 2nd pair is far more likely to put in less money. Of course, the downside of this JT7 flop is that you could be on the wrong side of set over set, but that is really a cooler spot and will play itself anyhow. The JJ is ONE hand (3 combos) The other hands might represent 30 or more combos, so they matter more. There are 12 combos of AJ alone.
he meant to say unblock top pair, obviously unblocking top set doesnt make any sense when you have middle set. it makes your opponents more likely to have top pair and get you paid off. for example youd almost always rather have 77 than AA on A76 even though its a weaker hand overall. youll make a lot more money in the long term.
The villain in this hand is such a donkey. He flopped a set and the led out on the turn when the most obvious draw got there. He was just afraid of facing a bigger bet and didn't know what to do on the turn so he bet. People playing lower stakes hate tough decisions more than they hate losing money.
Thats it exactly,he was block betting turn and river not turning his set into a bluff!He wants to really get Hero to fold a set he would have to bet more.
That's right! He was lucky that Btn missed his fairly drawing hand. He knew that H was a Nit. That's why he donk lead into him. . That's why when I see donk bet/raise that makes no sense I do a min raise. To send him a clear message to give up stupid strategy against me.
@@Gos1234567 yeah. His point was: if I'm going to call turn bet, then why don't I bet it by myself, instead? And, yes, this makes sense. Obviously comes from an experienced reg who knew he was facing a Nit. Right play, yielded.
3 bet $65 K9 SUITED would call? Maybe. Probably not (tight player would fold). Could he be JJ maybe? Probably but tight player would probably go all in on the river. The villain thought you are weak or missed he value bet you. With the pot and bet sizing this is a call! Or just 3 bet the lead 250 on The turn. Check check the river
yeah think him probably not having k9s here that often and the half pot on river instead of all in probably should call 10s here but its still like villain has 89, 77, and JJ, K9/AK once in a while, you only beat 77...
I think there's a lot of variation in what a "tight player" is at low stakes. Lots and lots of players are extremely wide preflop and just play fit-or-fold. I could see k9 suited calling a 3bet thinking "oh I'm priced in" once the BTN calls.
It’s nuts I just lost $2000 pot in almost exactly this hand. Except V had J9 and I had the set. I just gambled and prayed he had something else but no, he had str on turn and River a brick just like this hahha. Except this villain wasn’t bluffing? So my not folding was good hahahaa
I would have called simply because I don't like huge exploitve plays. The problem here is the caller said "I know this guy is super tight". yes ok you "know" this but HOW sure are you really? Have you seen him play 10,000 hands? Case in point. I was at a table with a "KNOWN" NIT. This guy plays like 1 out of a 100 hands. I'd observed him for weeks. But the table was pretty wild. So I decided to backraise AK. I limped in and facing a 3 bet jammed. Everyone folded EXECPT the NIT! I was like "Oh shoot, I'm against AA or KKs". Well it turned out our "NIT" had A 10 offsuit. So I was actually good until the spiked a lucky 10 on the turn. I actually asked him why he made the call and he just shrugged his shoulders. He got a wild hair up his ass I guess who knows? It's ok to classify players but don't put SO much emphasis on that. People are people they're not machines.
Villain used his image knowing that others had seen him always have it and playing tight. Savage play.
I’m getting it in on the turn. I think on the flop you need to bet bigger, about $180-220, to make it look like you are trying to protect and overpair which should force the 77 to play his hand more straightforwardly and check raise. His small lead on the turn is strange and I would just raise now to protect my hand vs button who has an obvious spade draw and get value from HJ’s worse value hands before the river is an action killer. Raising turn also prevents you from making an incorrect fold like the caller did here. This hand is like a chess puzzle, you need to be thinking ahead several moves.
The small cbet on the flop was an error that further compounded itself on the turn and river. Just bet your strong hands strongly at low stakes, you don’t need to balance.
for sure. as soon as i saw the flop and pot size $200 popped into my head. super wet board with middle set, charge that shet.
"You don't need to balance."
Especially in these multi way spots.
Just smash the value button, hard.
Downsizing at small states has less to do about balance and more to do about value. The ranges are so ridiculously wide that you really need to capitalize on all of those middle pairs or random over cards your average life player will try to chase.
@@ticenits1926 absolutely. Players at low stakes are simply never folding a flush draw for pretty much any amount. Even a 2/3rds flop cbet might be too small here. Famous last words: “I didn’t drive all the way to the casino to fold a flush draw!”
I like your thought. Ace king is a common hand here. The bet size was too small. I get it in and hope the guy calls with two pair
Very interesting hand. Although pocket 7s DID look like the only bluff...
... don't think I'd have called in his spot. Good one, Bart.
The guy probably knew Hero had a set because of his antics before he folded. I can't imagine his river bet was a bluff.
Another great analysis Bart. The fold was painful but hey it’s not my money. Thanks for the valuable content!
To answer Bart's question about what hands people double flat with, 77 is absolutely the first hand I think of, before seeing a flop. So, personally I was thinking there were five sevens in the deck, and if anything blocked that being true, I'd just hope that if it's a rare set/set/set flop, the guy with JJ was the shorter stack so I'd get the side pot.
I actually like the half pot flop bet, especially if you make a habit of it, as it leaves no balancing problem for deciding small vs large continuation bets, and makes opponents' decisions to call vs raise pretty unbalanced themselves. At a table of nits, rocks, and clowns, it is a great "ABC poker" form of taking plenty of money without giving off sizing tells.
With very little reason to suspect AK. K9, JJ. or QQ, I have 10 outs against 98 and better than the usual 33.4 percent chance of hitting it, with straights, straight draws, and even flush draws unblocking pairing the board. The most likely set 77 blocks pairing the board, but I have it crushed already. Worst case scenario is one guy has a straight, the other has set or 2 pair, but that still allows 8 outs plus the coin flip of which guy has which, where you can get the side pot. Far from the worst spot that someone who sees monsters under the bed can imagine themselves in.
I hold my breath and shove that turn all day long. Let the other guys worry whether to call or not.
I'm 65 and my image is that when I have a huge hand or huge draw, you won't know the difference, but (like the villain here) that calling any big bet from me often leads you to feel avoidable pain. I don't intentionally bet into oversets despite that image, so if villain actually did so, he either knew hero severely overfolds to his image, or he's a wilder rock than most.
This hand is a great example of putting your money where your read is, and getting it wrong, when simple ABC poker gets the money. If you are +EV on making those reads and doing dangerous exploits with the reads, don't stop doing them. Just adjust your idea of how this specific guy plays. And if you made it obvious what your hand was, adjust how you think they view you, too. When you lose at any +EV move, it's a cost of doing business. When you lose due to a leak, plug the leak.
I'd buy the villain dinner with casino points for showing the hand, for showing me that my image of him needed adjustment, but of course I wouldn't tell him that's why. I'd tell him it was to congratulate him for winning such a great hand.
This is such a solid answer
Being from Cleveland Ohio and playing at Jacks the mid to higher stakes games suck…the games are normally filled with men normally over the age of 60…the games are very passive an nitty…the reason why the 2/5 is not 1K cap because players don’t have the bankroll and don’t want to short buy…IN ANY OTHER GAME I’M NOT FOLDING A SET…AK and K9 will always be called off pre flop for 35 extra dollars and YES PEOPLE FLAT AK ALL THE TIME AND PLAYERS DON’T BET 600 on the River without not having IT!!!
Well, at my table 2/5 last week a player flatted AK from LP into a raise and a call on a straddled pot. Seen a flop 4ways, he's got stacked by a pocket 77 on a AK7 flop!??
That result is fucking wild.
I couldn't fold TT here facing 1/2 pot bet. If villain jammed, then sure, but this is one of the best hands we will have here, and villain is laying us a good price. I'm not sure that any worse hands would bet for value, but I can see some players turning hands like AJ, KJ, KT, J9 into bluffs once in a while so I'd have to sigh call.
OOF. Honestly, I'm with the caller I also would have made the super exploitable fold here if it was a guy who "always has it". The only thing that makes me hesitate is he should be putting the rest of the stack in if he has a straight. Gross spot, definitely have to work on this because from the discussion it sounds like I should lean towards calling and maybe decide on folding vs the other way around.
If he is that tight would he call with just a gut shot. Tight guys don't make that call on the flop
@@kevinorellanaable k9 is a double gut shot. 8 also makes a straight.
Over the years, I would have called here without too much thought. If he doesn't have the straight then I win, so if he is bluffing about 25% of the time then I have a profitable call. However over the last year or two I've started folding much more often in these positions, and I've increased my win rate considerably. My player pool, and OMCs in particular, just aren't bluffing here 25% of the time.
@@daithi1966 he could be betting set of 7s and 2 pair
@@daithi1966 exactly, people use this "I need to be right whatever % of the time" mostly to avoid making a fold they don't want to make.. 25% is pretty high.. no way people bluff 1 in 4 times in spots like this, except very specific profiles
I swear I put him on 77. I think that he DIDN'T put him on a set, but he changed his mind because he realized how tough the decision was for the caller.
right
Bet sizing on the flop can't be good, don't we need to mix checking and betting big here?
I would have gone with a much larger flop bet of $250-$300 on a wet board multiway to set up a turn shove on a brick. This commits your stack early while avoiding difficult decisions on the river and realizing 100% of your equity and value for the hand.
The casino in Cincinnati is a Hard Rock - it was JACK until 3-4ish years ago when Hard Rock bought the property
That was a savage move from the villain. I would have had to call. To good of odds.
I'm on the turn here, guessing the HJ has KQs, if not KQs specifically. top pair, good kicker, and strong draws so even if he's beat now he's got tons of outs, and he's prepared to call down bluffs, or bet again on the river if he hits.
I think missing from this analysis is what villain thinks hero has. He's the 3 better, so given he flatted the turn, you probably have to cap hero's range at sets, overpairs, 2 pair hands on the river.
Hey Bart I think I used to play against Sal. 😂 I plated often in Cleveland.
I like a raise on the turn. Even though caller claims the villain would never bet without a monster hand, he could still just be naming his price on a hand like a huge combo draw or pair plus a draw using his tight image to make the caller play scared especially if hero might have a hand like AA. As played it's still an obvious call on the river because hero beats some value hands and even an OMC will surprise you with some bluffs.
Yesterday at 5/5 I played a 3-bet pot 6 ways and a 3 bet pot 5 ways. Uggh. I flopped a set on the 5-way pot and managed somehow to lose all 3 run-outs after all-in on the flop. On the 6-way pot I had AA vs a flopped boat but managed to overboat the villain on the turn.🙄
Maybe 3 bet bigger? Does suck when everyone calls lol
V is just block betting turn n river,no way he is bluffing!Afraid to face big bets but got a better hand to fold basically by accident
Why donk out light on the scare card and not even really protect from flush draws? B/c he doesn't know what he's doing.
Yea raising on the turn is acceptable or just calling it down is also acceptable. U cant fold in that spot on the river. Now if it completed 4 to a straight well then it would be a tough spot where image does play. But i would think villain would have jammed it in if he actually had it so i would have called.
I am NEVER folding in that spot for that price.
Call small raises with top pair or two pairs otherwise check it down or if your opponents fold allot to c bets then I would c bet small. Call or raise with trips or set or better. Re raise with flush or better. All in with four of a kind or better. My rules I play by
So you have no calling hands in this spot lol
*that aren't the nuts 😂😂😂
I can't fold sets like this. Some situations can be pretty obvious, but this was weird. That strange turn donk, combined with a blank river, means I'm never folding.
Great Breakdown Bart!
4 way pot. Super wet board. SPR around 3. How am I not going all in on this flop? The only other option I see here is to bet $200 or so on the flop and jam the turn. This seems VERY different form a heads up spot where it may make more sense to take things more slowly. Even if my suggestions are somehow lower EV, they save me from being in a bunch of tough spots later. A small flop bet gives too many hands decent pot odds to see a turn. You are inviting callers but any turn spade, 8,9,Q,K or A is bad.
At least if I bet 200-300 on the flop, I make bad draws either muck or overpay. I also get more or less pot committed, which seems OK here.
I'll tell you right now that I would NOT want to be playing in that game. That table has players with some serious skill.
So, many other hands that he could have there. I call and if he beats me, he beats me.
I’m sure I would’ve bet much bigger on flop and made HJ raise and likely have gotten it in. These multi way live games just have to bet bigger.
On the turn 32 clean combos of straights
How the hell does the button show up with K-8 suited? So he cold called a 3-bet with two players behind him with K-8 suited. WTF???
Last night I had pocket tens. 25c/50c blinds $50 buy in. I hit trips on flop. Straight draw on board. Me and one other opponent in the pot. He raises to 3$. I re raise him to 6$. Flop comes up with another straight draw card. Opponent raises 3.50$. raise to $10.50 and opponent calls. River comes a 10. I hit four of a kind and throw my whole stack in and he calls and I win. He had straight with no flush draw on board and thought I had the same or put me on trips only. 😂
Villain was clearly aware of his table image and a better player than Hero thinks he is.
That was a nit fold.
Ya at that price you gotta show me the straight
i'm a nit and i'm ripping my chips in there with that hand there. there needs to be a new term for this level of nit
Me playing at that casino the players are bet I’m very passive can’t blame him for folding Most players are not turning 77s into a bluff on the River
@Justin Todd lot of players would value bet a set of 7s there or even 2 pair. Most live players are horrible
@@colindickson6099 😂
A "scared nit"?
Lots of ppl play kx suited hands for flush chance
Just noticed the Hj double flats
Completely random but ever been compared to jay Leno? You give major Leno vibes in the best way
That donk bet is very suspicious for a so called tight player. Pocket 10's has to be high enough up in your range to call with that action.
Online poker like GP its best to just bet once u hit ur cards. Ppl r just massive calling stations, no need to play tricky just bet get max value
How does 77 not raise the flop? Very coordinated flop and unblocks J,T pairs. Also no way that I believe villian thinks 77 is bluffing the River.
The way that hand played out theres no chance in hell I'm folding.. that's scared money!
Since when do you have Euros on your show? I thought you hated Euros?
Is this Teddy KGB calling in?
I have a feeling the main villain played it this way because just to avoid the turn getting checked through. He probably thought this was an action killer and recognized that by being out of position with multiple draws coming in to play and in particular the button quickly becoming pot committed he just decided to steal the initiative and make sure he got max value from his set. His speech play about bluffing was just pure luck, nobody expects you to be folding a set there.
Yea but villain could have put him on a straight also right. Bets with the draw and slow plays.
Why is 100 bigs max a bad game? It should be the standard.
That’s standard for 1/3. Usually the games are deeper at 2/5 and always are more than 100bb at 5/10 or bigger
I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE POCKET 7s lol ugh that hurts
Bring that to MI where we never fold sets
If he's so tight, how can he have K9? With straights seeming pretty unlikely, and flush not coming in, I'm never folding a set here.
The reg is not tight at all. He just played sparingly all evening due to cold deck. He knew H was a Nit, so he adjusted accordingly.
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I don't believe he put H on a set. Top pair or 2 top pairs, max.
Why can't he have QJ here? It's effectively the same hand as he did have. I dunno, the call 3 ways and then a small donk on the turn just seems like a pretty good hand that he feels he 'needs' to bet but is scared because it's such a dangerous situation. I think he is almost always raising 89 on the flop, and even he does somehow have AK on the turn, he's going to check jam it. A nit isn't going to give two people a price to call with all their draws.
why is it good to unblock top set? I’m still relatively new to poker. I thought unblocking specific cards was good bc it means ur opponent is more likely to try to bluff you or call with a worse hand. If you’re unblocking jacks doesnt that mean ur opponent could call u with a better hand? i mean obviously u cant just assume villain has jacks and waste middle set in a pot like this, but why is it specifically good he’s unblocking?
It is good because you want players to have AJ, KJ, QJ and JT because they think they have a good hand, will give at least some action and they are drawing almost dead. If the board is T96, that cannot happen as much because there are fewer combos of AJ and so on and nobody can have a set of tens. Hand like A9 -T9 probably folded more, but even if they are still in the ranges of your opponents, 2nd pair is far more likely to put in less money.
Of course, the downside of this JT7 flop is that you could be on the wrong side of set over set, but that is really a cooler spot and will play itself anyhow. The JJ is ONE hand (3 combos) The other hands might represent 30 or more combos, so they matter more. There are 12 combos of AJ alone.
he meant to say unblock top pair, obviously unblocking top set doesnt make any sense when you have middle set. it makes your opponents more likely to have top pair and get you paid off.
for example youd almost always rather have 77 than AA on A76 even though its a weaker hand overall. youll make a lot more money in the long term.
@@ligafftheindifferent3495 He definitely meant unblocks top pair. My eyes bugged out when he said top set, also.
The villain in this hand is such a donkey. He flopped a set and the led out on the turn when the most obvious draw got there.
He was just afraid of facing a bigger bet and didn't know what to do on the turn so he bet.
People playing lower stakes hate tough decisions more than they hate losing money.
Thats it exactly,he was block betting turn and river not turning his set into a bluff!He wants to really get Hero to fold a set he would have to bet more.
That's right!
He was lucky that Btn missed his fairly drawing hand. He knew that H was a Nit. That's why he donk lead into him.
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That's why when I see donk bet/raise that makes no sense I do a min raise. To send him a clear message to give up stupid strategy against me.
@@Gos1234567 yeah. His point was: if I'm going to call turn bet, then why don't I bet it by myself, instead? And, yes, this makes sense. Obviously comes from an experienced reg who knew he was facing a Nit.
Right play, yielded.
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don’t think that guy turned his 77’s into AK, he didn’t know hero had a set, made that shite up to look clever
I don’t think I’m laying that down
Didnt he said he put him on pocket 7's so why did he fold? Lol
I'd of called it
3 bet $65 K9 SUITED would call? Maybe. Probably not (tight player would fold). Could he be JJ maybe? Probably but tight player would probably go all in on the river. The villain thought you are weak or missed he value bet you.
With the pot and bet sizing this is a call! Or just 3 bet the lead 250 on The turn. Check check the river
yeah think him probably not having k9s here that often and the half pot on river instead of all in probably should call 10s here but its still like villain has 89, 77, and JJ, K9/AK once in a while, you only beat 77...
I think there's a lot of variation in what a "tight player" is at low stakes. Lots and lots of players are extremely wide preflop and just play fit-or-fold. I could see k9 suited calling a 3bet thinking "oh I'm priced in" once the BTN calls.
@@DashOfSalt84 very true.
9K of spades wud be a bad hand to be against up on that turn
So depressed by this caller :(
Wouldn't AK jam on the River if you've got two people in the hand they're bound to have something.
I'm raising turn and def calling river. Too much nonsense at the low stakes.
Has Doug Polk has taught me… dont fold sets.
I don't think the heroes going to be betting aces are Kings four ways on that flop.
It’s nuts I just lost $2000 pot in almost exactly this hand. Except V had J9 and I had the set. I just gambled and prayed he had something else but no, he had str on turn and River a brick just like this hahha. Except this villain wasn’t bluffing? So my not folding was good hahahaa
I donk the flop 😂
I see 3 bet pots go 7 ways every damn hand it seems.
Might not like it, but not folding a set.
This is a common problem when you flop sets of 9’s or 10’s
That’s scared money.
I hope before this hand ends the advice is: "Don't eat oreos while playing poker" OR "Don't splash the pot"🤣
So the guy who "always has it" didn't have it.
villains play is pretty awful, but i will say this: he certainly can rule out hero having AK on the turn, so theres that lol.
I would have called simply because I don't like huge exploitve plays. The problem here is the caller said "I know this guy is super tight". yes ok you "know" this but HOW sure are you really? Have you seen him play 10,000 hands? Case in point. I was at a table with a "KNOWN" NIT. This guy plays like 1 out of a 100 hands. I'd observed him for weeks. But the table was pretty wild. So I decided to backraise AK. I limped in and facing a 3 bet jammed. Everyone folded EXECPT the NIT! I was like "Oh shoot, I'm against AA or KKs". Well it turned out our "NIT" had A 10 offsuit. So I was actually good until the spiked a lucky 10 on the turn. I actually asked him why he made the call and he just shrugged his shoulders. He got a wild hair up his ass I guess who knows? It's ok to classify players but don't put SO much emphasis on that. People are people they're not machines.
Old guys (OMC's) rule...
Dan Gilbert is robbing the game blind without ever having to sit down.
Who is Dan Gilbert?
What a nit man
Terrible Fold....price is really in your favor
I think a raise to $600-650 on the turn.
Horrible fold
Gg
Villian is a liar.
The blabbing about poker places = Everytime !!!! Can you get to the hand ???!!!!
poker places.... just fast forward to the timestamps dum dum.
It’s almost like it serves a purpose 🤔
theres literally time stamps, would have been quicker to click one than write this comment
i like the intro dialogue.
So much punctuation. Relax.
he put u on a set after u folded lol
and after hero said he folded a set.