Phantom pain was too detailed, causing the budget for the game to skyrocket. And that's about it, actually. Konami just hated Kojima's gut and his obsession. His professionalism cost Konami too much. They simply couldn't bear Kojima and his demands. And I'm gonna hate Konami forever for this.
@@dillydraws don’t even have to mention the most hyped vehicle that Huey spends all his time making during the course of the game “battle gear” ends up being just another tick box for deployment, the biggest red flag there is. Why would do much time and dedication be put into that one item only for us not to use it.
@@Kreapypastoid Eli story was cancelled dlc which explains why that was unfinished but gear is not "unfinished" It was cut content due to the battle gear not having a place in the gameplay. Afghanistan and Africa are full of mountains, trees and other objects that are perfecting for sneaking but when it comes to a big vehicle they don't work in those environment unless you're on the road, think how useful tanks are in the game. Plus everything the battle gear could do is already doable with D Walker who can travel across those open and wild environments. Tell me this, how often do you deploy with a tank and do missions with em? The battle gear would be about the same as that. Also Huey spent like 3 missions or so. He made it once he got to mother base as a "Look what I can do for you" before causing all the stuff with the children and starting the outbreak for shining lights.
The game is complete if you watch several hours of fan analysis videos. The game's narrative feels like a fever dream. Once the parts are collected and analyzed, you get can see the full tapestry. In a weird way, I think that's the point. You see the game through Venom's eye. Venom was Kojima's way of writing the player into the game. But, Venom is also a broken man. Someone who has lost themselves to the demon they've been turned into.
Bro shut up lol. You can use all the flowery language you want and try to sound deep and meaningful, that is irrelevant to the actual game itself. This game is a mess with awful pacing. A huge empty world that has basically no level design, ridiculous travel times and a story that is revealed through audio tapes as if this is an indie game. You are a nobody running around a huge empty desert/jungle doing a bunch of random missions that have no true meaning, it's like a bootleg Tom Clancy game. MGSV is an awful MGS game and is the only one that feels incomplete.
Of course, Kojima would not deliver an "incomplete" experience, are you slow? Let's put it this way, I'm tasked with delivering a meal, my plan is to make a hamburger, but my boss says time's up, and I didn't get the chance to get the bread, no problem, I still can make a high quality salad, but the people that know my cooking, recognize that I planned for sometime bigger, but was cut off short.
I think thay due to the weapon in the research there was 2 more faction nato/France and america to be clear there is a France weapon for all category maybe we can say that the g44 (famas) is a legacy weapon but the other are'nt and there is italian France and German specialist unlockable via FOB
This game is such an anomaly to me. Somehow it manages to be unfinished, underwhelming, and disappointing while also being one of my favorite games of all time and possibly my favorite in the franchise. It's at the very least my most played of the franchise by far There was just so much missed potential. But what's there plays so great to this day
The game could have had a epilogue/debriefing like MGS4 where you see a remake of Metal Gear (1987), and players play as Solid Snake and infiltrate Outer Heaven and the guards are the ones players fultoned earlier in the game. Players would fight Big Boss and escape Outer Heaven Uprising Then after the credits roll, you see Solid Snake swimming through water gets out and climbs up a cliff and it mimics the cutscene similar to Ground Zeroes with Big Boss to get to Zanzibarland and you hear young Solid Snake ‘s voice, “I have infiltrated the fortress.” Roy Campbell then says, “Excellent Snake. Age hasn’t slowed you down one bit.” Than Snake takes his goggles and helmet off and says, “Kept ya waiting, huh?” Then you hear the Metal Gear Solid VR missions mission failed theme and a text says say thank you for playing 1987-2015.
@@HotdogRawdog There's a fan made ending called the "last day in outer heaven" that and mission 51 would have been a great ending to this unfinished game.
1) 51 was cut no question about it. It was cut so late into the game probably for multiple reasons that we just don't know but if it was in the game, it wouldn't have been mission 51. 2) Camp Omega seems to have been cut early on because other than that one interview and some files, nothing was ever indicated that if you got GZ you could return to camp omega with a lot of those assets being reused for Online 3) Skull face was the big bad of the revenge chapter, in the grand scheme of things he was insignificant and he went on a 9 minute monologue talking about his plans and motivation. Quiet story was built up on all though race as the story with Eli and Millar's revenge seeking turning inwards lead to her whole plot and emotional connect to Venom. 4) Chapter 3 title was never peace. It was an translation error, in the Japanese version it translates to Syntheses/Continuance (Forgot which one) Chapter 2 whole thing is that once your revenge is over, you continue on in a war without end, thats why you reply harder version of missions because its meant to show that the war keeps going while mother bases becomes more paranoid of traitors with posters saying big boss is watching you. While not in missions, all the Eli stuff with the children and Huey all still take place in chapter 2, the fall of Dimond dogs so to speak. 5) Ishmael can shoot it just takes forever. 6) It was cut early on probably due to hardware limitation (it was on the 360) if he even said this at all. 7) This isn't really an issue with the game not being complete. 8) Guard dogs probably was cut due to the AI with the human handlers causing issues, not an unfished feature, just cut 9) The battlegear wouldn't have worked because of the terrain of both Africa and Afghanistan, hell tanks are usable in game and go unused most of the due to it only being usable on the roads and would make almost every other vehicle and buddy obsolete. Not an issue of having no time but an issue of it not working.
Could you elaborate more about quiet part. I didn’t get what you meant by “though race” Also did she pass away? Because she had no lungs so parasites wouldn’t be able to hurt her.
@@Reptifitness Chapter 2 is called "Race" and during that chapter we build up her relationship with Venom. Granted it's not really though gameplay but during all the different cutscenes on MB. Her rescuing the necklace was a good character moment to show her softer side and care for MB members like the Children. Or her refusing to speak when being tortured because of Miller's own Paranoia or even the playing in the rain moment with Venom. Also It's a bit confusing but since she spoke English that would infect everyone who speaks English so the only way she can stop that from happening is so wonder off alone in the desert to die. (I think at least)
@@dillydraws It’s been forever since I have played the game. I played it when it came out. Just so if I remember it correctly how was the parasite supposed to work like once it activate if someone speak the specific language parasite eats that person’s lungs? But I also remember about them creating an cure. Quiet’s ending part always bothered me. Even till this day! I felt there wasn’t a complete closure as to what exactly happened to her after. I notice all females usually go away from all the playable Snake’s life. Like Eva, merile and boss. But at least they showed proper ending as to what happened to them but with Quiet they kinda left you wondering. I am not sure her pulling the bolt of rifle is supposed to represent something. Usually it supposed to mean you are about to shoot or ready to shoot.
@@Reptifitness They fed off the lungs and breed to make more parasites, they activated due to different language that they are trained to enjoy and mate in. However they didn't really find a cure but a treatment, they basically turned all the female parasites into male ones making the host sterile. (Imagine if that got out into the whole world who spoke English) Also they can mutate to counter the treatment as Huey oh so thankfully did. (Prick) I think the bolt pulling was meant to show that Quiet will keep fighting, even if she's about to die, just away from everyone she can harm due to the parasites in her body.
@@stannisthemannis8694 Another fanboy with a Big Medic profile picture 😭 It really is that bad tbh, I want to like the game but I can't. I even started a brand new save and replayed it a few days ago with an open mind. I got all the way to main mission 40 too. It is very soulless. If you actually read my comments, my criticisms are valid and you can't refute them. I am stating facts, and it is a fact that this game is a barren wasteland with non-existent level design, tedious travel times and repetitive missions structure. Not to mention the story. Helicopter Simulator V.
Every time this game comes up it just makes me sad. I am a diehard mgs fan and this game should not have been released incomplete, and kojima should not have been forced to stop making new mgs games
I just dont know why Konami couldnt release mission 51, the have the material and the capabilities Co-op with friends would have also been really fun and it defineately could have been added. Just feels like a missed opportunity
A dream come true is if Konami, re-release a master collection connecting ground zeros seamlessly, and adding a finished mission 51 to the end. Here’s to hoping!
I agree that mission 51 should have been included and finished. That’s the only part of the game that feels unfinished to me. Everything else can be chalked up to normal cut content that every game has. Skull Face’s story was definitely fully explored. Taking him down was the big climax of chapter 1. Chapter 2 is just the fallout of those events. Sure, I have some gripes with the game, but feeling incomplete is barely one of them. The game has its own unique identity, whether it be from Kojima’s grand plan or just happy accidents, and I think chalking everything up to it just being incomplete does the game a huge disservice. The fans hurt this game more than Konami at this point. Personally, I’m largely very happy with what we got, and I wouldn’t really want it to be different at this point.
We will just have to wait and see how PHYSINT turns out. But even without that for reference, it's clear that MGSV:TPP could have been so much more when you look at the quality and depth of Death Stranding. All Konami needed to do was let him cook, regardless of time taken, and they would still be reaping the rewards to this day. Not only did Konami rob us of the full TPP experience/vision but they also fucked us over with P.T. being shelved. Plus it didn't help that they wanted it to be playable on PS3 as well as 4, restricting innovations.
Kojima has mentioned in the Book of MGS V TPP that the game it self was Complete to him. Episode 51 was cut LONG before Kojima was fired. while the GAMEPLAY was 10/10 the story was about a 6/10 The game was "Complete" to the ones who made it. similar to What you experienced with Co-op play, i remember a video with him discussing it, but I can not find it. co-op as a Mod, should come out, Weve seen it done with Cyberpunk at the moment, i believe with a great modder, we can make it happen in MGS V
can relate to the "took a week off work and suddenly credits rolled" part. Was super bummed out back then because MGO was still waaaays off and I had experienced all the story and most of the side content (didnt have the time due to work to finish 100% until waaaay later on PC). Still it is, for me at least, a great final entry in the MGS franchise, because it more or less lets you yourself be Big Boss in your own Eyes and that for me is better than some half baked missions after the "Truth" mission imo. Great Video :)
It's definitely unfinished but it's still one of the best games ever. I wish Kojima Productions would get the MGS IP so they could make a proper ending for this game.
& this is what you call delusional, ☺️ it’s literally not finished hence the after thought of extra cutscenes added after the fact the game came out. Literally none of you can explain that because you can’t, it’s literally unfinished, it’s very obvious playing it. Kojima was way over budget and wanted to make a 12/10 but Konami said we’re good with a 9 so it was dialed down.
Yeah right. If it was finished, Kojima would’ve still have been making metal gear games. What does Kojima gain out of saying MGSV is incomplete? Fans nagging about the real ending.
The game was finished though. I guess mgs 2 was unfinished as well because the struts on shell 2 werent explorable even though they were supposed to be, 3 bosses were cut, and cutscenes cut. Kojima is on record saying mgs V is complete and as intended and apologized that fans didnt like the route he took with the storytelling this time. Opting to tell the story through cassette tapes instead of mandatory codec calls so the gameplay could be uninterrupted as you play and listen to them. All the cut content as well was pretty early in development. Stop spreading fake news saying the game was unfinished.@Kreapypastoid
@@Kreapypastoid Sorry that your fave game director disappointed you bro. You are never going to find what you are after, because it doesn't exist. Keep up with the delusions if it makes you feel better, though. The rest of us have long since accepted the reality of MGSV.
@@KreapypastoidExacty. If the game was truly honestly finished then why does mission 51 exist in the first place. The "mission" itself just being an unfinished cutscene and some concept art to fill in the gaps. Releasing mission 51 wouldnt have been up for debate if the game was finished. The fact they felt the need to release it in order to elaborate on the nonexistent ending is konamis own admission that the games incomplete. Why would they reveal "scrapped content" that wraps up the story if the story was already done. Labeling it mission 51 clearly alludes to it adding onto the story or else it would just been labeled cut content
Can we just acknowledge that even now nine years later MGS5 is still a graphical masterpiece? Very few games even come close to it and the majority of modern titles are still unable to surpass it.
Even now, 9 years to the day, we will go back and forth on whether or not the game is finished. The one thing I truly believe we can agree on is that we all wanted more from the game
the reason there is no new mgs bc konami knows without kojima they just cant make one and if they do it will be a disappoinment they know kojima is mgs they fired their gem their core
About Episode 46: One thing is certain about Ishmael is that he was actually a real person, not venom snake's hallucination. Now whether he was the real big boss or some other person is upto debate. When Quiet was sent to assassinate venom snake in the hospital, she said the line "Not yet. The patient in the next bed saw my face", which proves that it was Ishamel who saw quiet's face. Quiet never had any hallucinatory issue like venom snake and was fully mentaly healthy so she was there and she saw ishmael with her own eyes. Another thing to mention is that venom snake was physically exhausted and weak after waking up from a 9 years of coma. So he wouldn't be able to throw things at quiet and douse her with fire. Anybody after waking up even 6 months of coma would be very exhausted at first and would need some time to fully regain strength to fight and move around. Ishmael, the person, helped venom snake survive and escape from the hospital after venom snake woke up from a decade long coma. About cut guard dogs: cutting them was a better decision. They would have been too difficult to deal with in the game and that would have made the gameplay frustrating for most players. Other than these, i agree with everything else said in this video. Excellent video making. Everything is to the point. I myself is very disappointed about the fact that one of my favorite games was released incomplete.
i consider myself a MGS fan but not a die hard fan as MGS 1 was one of the first games i owned on my PC in 1999 and i have fond memories of it (altough i was to little to understand how to finish it then - a 7 yo that didnt know english ) and along my journey as a gamer i played most MGS games and i liked them all ( still have to play Reveangeance but i am not interested to play the old ones from the 80s) Ok, so , back to the point. MGS 5 is a masterpiece but i dont think i ever played a game that is also a true masterpiece and a once in a console generation type of game and also a total mess story wise. no game left me so confused and so empty, so unsatisfied at the end like mgs 5 did. I truly dont know if this was Kojimas plan (i consider him so "crazy" that it could have been his plan hence the name "phantom pain" like you mentioned in the video ) but this game is without a doubt unfinished. Unique game overall, still in my best 10 of all time and i played a lot of games.
Happy 9 years!🎉 also I agree with you it’s a unfinished game I hate that we never got chapter 3 nor going to camp omega but maybe in the future we’ll get it idk we don’t know we just have to keep waiting also coop will be really fun if they did that
@@PautinoPR that's a stupid argument. Every game has cut content but MGSV has a huge empty feeling, they literally didn't even add the finale and just gave us concept art. It's lazy AF and you're justifying it because you're a fanboy.
@@120Pythons my brother in christ the game is as intended and it clearly has an ending did you not watch the truth ending with the mirror and the tapes? It literary ends connecting V to Metal Gear 1 ....what more do you want? And those concept arts and videos to the supposed next chapter was given to people who bough the collectors edition so do your research before talking nonsense
About number 5… there is a kind of inconsistency in mission 46. At 02:32 Ocelot pulls Big Boss out of the ambulance leaving Venom unconscious, then time skips & you see them together at 05:59 (you witness sunrise during the scene). In the prologue Ocelot pulls Venom out of the ambulance at 03:07 & you play until you see them get on the ship together (before sunrise). You could say that Ocelot went back and forth while Venom was unconscious (why?), but how could Ocelot go back at 05:59 if he got on the ship (before sunrise)?
Bad news dude, same guy who made this game also made both MGS2 and 4 along with death stranding. MGSV was made the way it was with the express intent to mess with people like you. It’s literally doing everything in its power to leave you with a sense of missing something, a quite literal phantom pain. I wish it wasn’t true but that’s just how things are with Kojima
Let it go guys… Yes, content was cut, but that’s not unusual in the gaming industry. Probably almost every game has a cut content, only it’s not so widely discussed and analyzed as in this case. MGSV’s story is presented thru a man with a broken mind, brainwashed, and with a fucking shrapnel in his brain. Be a little open minded, use your imagination. And watch some related movies like 1984, A beautiful mind, Fighter Club, Moby Dick, etc… and then, maybe you’ll get it.
The replayed missions later in the game are intentional more than just recycled levels. It's to make you, as the player, realize that Venom was an unreliable narrator the whole time.
I’m a middle aged man. I played a metal gear in the late 1990s and have been playing phantom pain for the last two months. Might sound sad but I haven’t laughed as much in over 20 years and brought back great memories. I’ve zero interest in the story, it became very obvious to me only a few hours in that that they made the game and then tried to fit the story around it. It isn’t a deep, intricate or important story. Just enjoy the game. Well that’s for me.
I don't think it's a matter of theory. It was a well known fact that kojima and konami clashed a lot during production. I believe I've read somewhere that konami was working kogima and his crew to the bone, without paid overtime etc. and he packed the whole team and left. That is the reason the game was incomplete, and konami being the vengeful twats they are, even striped the phrase "A Hideo Kojima Game" from the cover. I also believe that the very ending of the game(or close resemblence to it) was a nod to the palyers, a love letter to the fans if you wish by kojima-sensei himself saying to us "Now, you are Big Boss", hinting that his legacy will live through us because konami was bound to destroy the franchise, and it did(MGS: Survive).
For everyone in the comments denying this well known fact that this game is unfinished, we all know Konami practically decided to stop making games altogether for a decade, they decided this during the production of mgsv. Considering how large that game is unfinished i imagine it possibly inspired the decision. Knowing this and that the lead was fired before it went gold, combined with the fact that its infamously the most '3/4 of the way thru we were told fo wrap up asap' feeling game in history, Its a lot of smoke for no fire, even if the man himself is being prideful and classy about the situation.
what I don't get is that Konami did not attempt to add the missing pieces or add some updates for added side ops missions etc. They just did not want dish out more money on the game just to get on Kojima bad side.
Mission 51 is the big one, everything else is minor stuff. Mgs4 is missing much more impactful stuff like the act 3 sewer section, yet folks don't complain about that game being unfinished cuz it had a traditional narrative structure and a proper ending. Mgs2 is missing a bunch of struts and I think two Dead Cell members were cut/condensed into existing members. TPP being the "unfinished one" is a bit misleading IMO.
Idk, when discussing why MGSV feels incomplete you can't just mention that some missions in chapter 2 are just earlier missions in passing, like that isn't a huge freaking deal. Don't get me wrong; I love MGS lore. However, if Phantom Pain where a book we wouldn't be complaining. Alas, it's a videogame, one that wasn't fully developed. It literally just pads the runtime with replayed missions from earlier in the game, while the cutscenes carry on not attached to what Snake is doing for like a third if not more of the game.
It's still the best game in the series for me. 4 killed me with WAY WAY TOO MANY cutscenes. This was where the game had to go after that. Putting it back in the players hands. And it did it with the best controls and gameplay of the series. It may not be the best story, it has a ton of cut content, but I still like it the best.
I really love venom snake, probably my favorite snake, if not my favorite mgs character, but the story of mgsv was never the strongest, unfinished or not. The gameplay was always the star of the show.
7:40 I also think it's weird that Psycho Mantis couldn't just read Ishmael's mind and know that he is the real Big Boss, while the other is just a clone of him.
He could have but like a ton of characters and their characterization were also incomplete. Psycho mantis is a character that’s both telepathic and one of the main villains of the first game. And the motherfucker gets zero dialogue even. One of the many reasons why people saying “ah games have content cut all the time” is just bullshit.
Even though personally I didn't like the story of TTP what we really need is a remake of this game to get it in a finished state with all the cut content added back in and not a reheated MGS3
Ironically, this entire feeling of phantom pain that we never saw the finished metal gear V game is exactly kind of phantom pain the game inflicted upon players, forever missing and pondering what could have been the ending of the story. We have been intentionally left unfinished because it's causes us the Phantom pain.
The worst part is that Konami didn't even finish the game despite Kojima leaving. Like they could have released a big update to the game, or a DLC to finish the game with the Kingdom of Flies episode and such.
I still remember the release day like it was yesterday. What a day that was. And I also remember becoming increasingly confused and disappointed towards the end of the game. Still, even unfinished it's one of the greatest games ever. And no, despite what many people say, the game isn't "just like Kojima intended". It clearly is handicapped because of Konami, and not some 4D phantom pain vision by Kojima which worked exactly as he wanted. That's just a defense mechanism.
We’re has this guy been under a rock ,we already knew mission 51 was missing,and according to kojima ,in order to unlock mission 51 , you have to complete the nuke event if de activate all nukes it unlocks mission chapter3 most important you have to do your side ops list to speed up the process if you just wanted make a rant about mgs5 about the mission 51 and blast Kojima Next time you do your proper research if you want to know the real story
I'm of the camp that Kojima had the story laid out and midway through drama with the company hit and he didn't get the money to finish his story. So he decided to take the assets and money's he had left and stitched SOMETHING for us at the 11th hour. The game was supossed to have both twin snakes, solidus training Raiden, sniper wolf being rescued BY BB, Frank Yaeger killing Naomi's parents, maybe even a young Roy Campbell for fan service to name a few things off the top of my head. Everything we got after rescuing Kaz was just garbage. Even the unfinished lord of the flies bullshit was garbage, Kojima just cut it cuz he was tired of making fillers and garbage due to the aforementioned bullshit with Konami. In closing I like to play mgsv as a different character and I imagine being a completely different person running around in an MGS universe. It sorta feels like that's what he ended up going for. Update: I also think that the diamond dogs mother base in mgsv was supposed to be the beginnings of outer heaven in Africa. But was scraped cuz of all the changes that came about.
I have such a love/hate thing with this game. Technically, it's a marvel. The way you control and manipulate Venom to do anything you want, when clearing a base or settlement, never gets boring. It's an incredibly good stealth game. But, as an MGS game... It's lacking severely (for me). The tone, the lack of effective or memorable bosses, the loss of Codex conversations, the loss of Hayter, and ultimately, the lack of a MGS feel to the world, just makes it feel so bland and generic. The music made me feel nothing, the stale voice acting, the lack of life in both massive game maps. Most damning of all (again, for me), I found the story boring. I didn't care about anything, nor anyone because nothing felt convincing. MGS1 - 4 all had heart. I cared about what happened. This is all why I think MGSV is an amazing stealth game, but I cannot enjoy it as an MGS game. I find it soulless.
Like the main story of this game, I think the arguments presented here dropped in quality since point no.5. While the first 4 points make some sense, specially with the pacing, most of reason 5 to 9 are either pure speculation with little to no valid sources or just too minimal. The man helping you in the prologue isn't a random projection, which doesn't make sense in the story, is Bigg Boss (most likely). The co-op isn't necessary for the main experience, specially when we already have Mother Base as a PvP; the world was made with single player in mind. The platform specific content is both redundant and it was clearly an advertising move; the game already has many customization options. And the guard dogs, as interesting as it could be, seemed to be removed just like the Battle Gear, since we already have wild animals and could mess with the overall flow of base infiltration. Overall, it feels like the 9 arguments were a gimmick, just like the main story itself.
The gameplay is 10/10 But I really didn't like the story, as someone who played MGS 5 as his first MGS game, I wanted to try playing with the character Solid Snake, which many consider to be one of the greatest characters in gaming, only to find out that I played with a random Npc the whole time lol
in the japanese culture honor is a big thing with them. it’s clear that kojima was upset with how konami threated him and didn’t want to release the game unfinished but he can not openly talk about it without it hurting his honor and that comes with a lot of things people not wanting to work with him companies not wanting to work with his production team so he has to keep his mouth shut. it’s very simple. he wanted to make a huge game but all the money they spent making the fox engine pissed konami off they wanted the game out and out asap. the whole reason ground zeros was made was for konami to make some of the money back. they most likely gave kojima a deadline and when he said the game isn’t finished that’s when they took him off the game have his staff finish the game. this is why chapter two is all repeat missions. we will never know what the story was really meant to because we don’t know when they took him off the game. the people left in charge of finishing the coding and trying to figure out how to wrap the game up so it made sense who knows how much of that was done by his team and not him. remember he was not allowed to even communicate with his team at some point. as for camp omega i think we got a hint of what it was supposed to be. the map was released in mgv online but in a future setting. it was probably meant to be a part of the nuclear disarmament. after all pmc destroyed all their nukes everyone would be given a new special mission. where they have to go to camp omega and destroy the last remaining nukes on the planet. most likely would be insanely well guarded and would be the hardest mission ever. the whole “only can be done in video games” to me saids the zero nukes part and “going back there” if we go back remember at the end of the game we are in a different time so even if we go back it will be at least 9 years later most likely more but you get the idea.
Got a video title or link? I have no memory whatsoever of this and I followed every piece of content like a vulture pre-release. If it happened it mustve been like 2012 or something before even the actual TPP trailer.
@kingnro1 I remember commenting on the video... it appeared for a few seconds on the pre mission screen, where instead of the buddy select it was " play with a friend " or " coop ". I dont promise but I'll try to find it
@@ThisIsGlitch hmm, then it would've been by the time they were showcasing bona fide TPP gameplay footage. Doesn't ring any bells, and I was involved on mgsforums and other boards where every piece of news was relentlessly discussed. I think you might just be misremembering, unless it was maybe some Japanese gameplay showcase that wasn't discussed in the west? Dunno
Honestly kingdom of the flies is so irrelevant, would've been a cool mission but wouldnt have answered how all the pieces ended up where they did in later metal gear games so wouldnt have felt any more complete
I think the game is "unfinished" as there were clearly plans for paid dlc which would gave expanded the story, but that went out the window when Konima was fired.
I think A LOT to MOST of TPP was finsihed.. I beleive Kojima wh3n he says THIS GAME DELIVERED WHAT HE INTENDED. However, I beleieve he had always also planned on FINISHING the story with DLC or a third disc (at the time) THAT being the thing only video games to deliever.
Still never played this game as they g out rid of David hayter for Keith Sutherland not to mention it was unfinished if they were going to get rid of David hayter at least explain how his voice changed from peace walker to phantom pain through a coma or something that makes sense and if Keith didn’t want to do more lines get Richard Doyle for mgs4 to do the lines
I first got this game around 8 years ago. I played through a our 1/3rd of it, and I put it down until about a year ago. I finished it a our six months ago. I couldn't put it down.
Unfinished sure, but it was definitely heavily rushed during its development even when it had LOTS of time. Afghanistan and Africa is proof of that. And of course you have the entirety of Ground Zeroes being a separate game thanks to Konami.
Great video yeah it's not finished but Kojima to blame 98 million to make but having a online element was a waste of money. FOB and Coop would be fine but online multiplayer competing with fortnight is beyond delusional
Best gameplay for sure but the story was so forgetful I literally can barely remember any of it. Such a shame cause the engine is fantastic it was so fun to play
The gameplay isn't even good. Only the controls feel good. But the level design is abysmal compared to every game before it, especially MGS3. Camp Omega is better than every single area in TPP. TPP is a big empty wasteland with a bunch of little outposts that all feel the same. The mechanics are actually garbage and it doesn't even feel like Metal Gear (Where are the rations and the codec frequencies? Regen health and sprinting now, is this COD?) and the guards are the dumbest in the series. They don't even clear the area properly and work tactically in groups like they did in MGS2 which is a PS2 GAME!! MGSV isn't stealth action, it's a bootleg Tom Clancy game that wanted to be open world and mission based.
Phantom pain was too detailed, causing the budget for the game to skyrocket.
And that's about it, actually. Konami just hated Kojima's gut and his obsession. His professionalism cost Konami too much. They simply couldn't bear Kojima and his demands.
And I'm gonna hate Konami forever for this.
Exactly, people who say this game is finished are delusional as hell.
@@Kreapypastoid What plot point other than Eli's story was unfinished?
@@dillydraws this is sad🤦🏾♂️ asking for “what else” is crazy considering you can’t even answer for that one.
@@dillydraws don’t even have to mention the most hyped vehicle that Huey spends all his time making during the course of the game “battle gear” ends up being just another tick box for deployment, the biggest red flag there is. Why would do much time and dedication be put into that one item only for us not to use it.
@@Kreapypastoid Eli story was cancelled dlc which explains why that was unfinished but gear is not "unfinished" It was cut content due to the battle gear not having a place in the gameplay. Afghanistan and Africa are full of mountains, trees and other objects that are perfecting for sneaking but when it comes to a big vehicle they don't work in those environment unless you're on the road, think how useful tanks are in the game. Plus everything the battle gear could do is already doable with D Walker who can travel across those open and wild environments. Tell me this, how often do you deploy with a tank and do missions with em? The battle gear would be about the same as that.
Also Huey spent like 3 missions or so. He made it once he got to mother base as a "Look what I can do for you" before causing all the stuff with the children and starting the outbreak for shining lights.
the mandela effect you had is part of the kojima intended experience
The game is complete if you watch several hours of fan analysis videos. The game's narrative feels like a fever dream. Once the parts are collected and analyzed, you get can see the full tapestry.
In a weird way, I think that's the point. You see the game through Venom's eye. Venom was Kojima's way of writing the player into the game. But, Venom is also a broken man. Someone who has lost themselves to the demon they've been turned into.
I 100% agree with you.
Bro shut up lol. You can use all the flowery language you want and try to sound deep and meaningful, that is irrelevant to the actual game itself. This game is a mess with awful pacing. A huge empty world that has basically no level design, ridiculous travel times and a story that is revealed through audio tapes as if this is an indie game. You are a nobody running around a huge empty desert/jungle doing a bunch of random missions that have no true meaning, it's like a bootleg Tom Clancy game. MGSV is an awful MGS game and is the only one that feels incomplete.
Damn, that's very poetic and accurate
@@P_Taters it is, that's why we are made to listen to half the story via tapes to makes us investigate like we are Venom
Of course, Kojima would not deliver an "incomplete" experience, are you slow?
Let's put it this way, I'm tasked with delivering a meal, my plan is to make a hamburger, but my boss says time's up, and I didn't get the chance to get the bread, no problem, I still can make a high quality salad, but the people that know my cooking, recognize that I planned for sometime bigger, but was cut off short.
You mean how all other games had 4 or more chapters and this game only had 2
I think thay due to the weapon in the research there was 2 more faction nato/France and america to be clear there is a France weapon for all category maybe we can say that the g44 (famas) is a legacy weapon but the other are'nt and there is italian France and German specialist unlockable via FOB
This game is such an anomaly to me. Somehow it manages to be unfinished, underwhelming, and disappointing while also being one of my favorite games of all time and possibly my favorite in the franchise. It's at the very least my most played of the franchise by far
There was just so much missed potential. But what's there plays so great to this day
Relate too much
It was my understanding that The Phantom Pain was supposed to go all the way to the fall of Outer Heaven.
The game could have had a epilogue/debriefing like MGS4 where you see a remake of Metal Gear (1987), and players play as Solid Snake and infiltrate Outer Heaven and the guards are the ones players fultoned earlier in the game. Players would fight Big Boss and escape Outer Heaven Uprising Then after the credits roll, you see Solid Snake swimming through water gets out and climbs up a cliff and it mimics the cutscene similar to Ground Zeroes with Big Boss to get to Zanzibarland and you hear young Solid Snake ‘s voice, “I have infiltrated the fortress.” Roy Campbell then says, “Excellent Snake. Age hasn’t slowed you down one bit.” Than Snake takes his goggles and helmet off and says, “Kept ya waiting, huh?” Then you hear the Metal Gear Solid VR missions mission failed theme and a text says say thank you for playing 1987-2015.
@@HotdogRawdog There's a fan made ending called the "last day in outer heaven" that and mission 51 would have been a great ending to this unfinished game.
@@xenoplayz4524 I think I've seen that. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was pretty good.
@@solidmage1720 That would be pretty awesome! I wonder if something like that could be made with mods...
1) 51 was cut no question about it. It was cut so late into the game probably for multiple reasons that we just don't know but if it was in the game, it wouldn't have been mission 51.
2) Camp Omega seems to have been cut early on because other than that one interview and some files, nothing was ever indicated that if you got GZ you could return to camp omega with a lot of those assets being reused for Online
3) Skull face was the big bad of the revenge chapter, in the grand scheme of things he was insignificant and he went on a 9 minute monologue talking about his plans and motivation. Quiet story was built up on all though race as the story with Eli and Millar's revenge seeking turning inwards lead to her whole plot and emotional connect to Venom.
4) Chapter 3 title was never peace. It was an translation error, in the Japanese version it translates to Syntheses/Continuance (Forgot which one) Chapter 2 whole thing is that once your revenge is over, you continue on in a war without end, thats why you reply harder version of missions because its meant to show that the war keeps going while mother bases becomes more paranoid of traitors with posters saying big boss is watching you. While not in missions, all the Eli stuff with the children and Huey all still take place in chapter 2, the fall of Dimond dogs so to speak.
5) Ishmael can shoot it just takes forever.
6) It was cut early on probably due to hardware limitation (it was on the 360) if he even said this at all.
7) This isn't really an issue with the game not being complete.
8) Guard dogs probably was cut due to the AI with the human handlers causing issues, not an unfished feature, just cut
9) The battlegear wouldn't have worked because of the terrain of both Africa and Afghanistan, hell tanks are usable in game and go unused most of the due to it only being usable on the roads and would make almost every other vehicle and buddy obsolete. Not an issue of having no time but an issue of it not working.
Could you elaborate more about quiet part. I didn’t get what you meant by “though race” Also did she pass away? Because she had no lungs so parasites wouldn’t be able to hurt her.
@@Reptifitness Chapter 2 is called "Race" and during that chapter we build up her relationship with Venom. Granted it's not really though gameplay but during all the different cutscenes on MB. Her rescuing the necklace was a good character moment to show her softer side and care for MB members like the Children. Or her refusing to speak when being tortured because of Miller's own Paranoia or even the playing in the rain moment with Venom.
Also It's a bit confusing but since she spoke English that would infect everyone who speaks English so the only way she can stop that from happening is so wonder off alone in the desert to die. (I think at least)
@@dillydraws It’s been forever since I have played the game. I played it when it came out. Just so if I remember it correctly how was the parasite supposed to work like once it activate if someone speak the specific language parasite eats that person’s lungs? But I also remember about them creating an cure.
Quiet’s ending part always bothered me. Even till this day! I felt there wasn’t a complete closure as to what exactly happened to her after. I notice all females usually go away from all the playable Snake’s life. Like Eva, merile and boss. But at least they showed proper ending as to what happened to them but with Quiet they kinda left you wondering. I am not sure her pulling the bolt of rifle is supposed to represent something. Usually it supposed to mean you are about to shoot or ready to shoot.
@@Reptifitness They fed off the lungs and breed to make more parasites, they activated due to different language that they are trained to enjoy and mate in. However they didn't really find a cure but a treatment, they basically turned all the female parasites into male ones making the host sterile. (Imagine if that got out into the whole world who spoke English) Also they can mutate to counter the treatment as Huey oh so thankfully did. (Prick)
I think the bolt pulling was meant to show that Quiet will keep fighting, even if she's about to die, just away from everyone she can harm due to the parasites in her body.
Unfinished and yet one of the best video games ever made.
it's the best video game ever if you like shitty open world games like assassin's creed
@@120Pythonsnah it's better then ass greed
Unfinished? It’s a decent game but looking at it as finished product? Mediocre
@@120Pythonsbro why are you under every comment soyjacking about this? It's not that bad it's just disappointing that it's unfinished
@@stannisthemannis8694 Another fanboy with a Big Medic profile picture 😭
It really is that bad tbh, I want to like the game but I can't. I even started a brand new save and replayed it a few days ago with an open mind. I got all the way to main mission 40 too. It is very soulless. If you actually read my comments, my criticisms are valid and you can't refute them. I am stating facts, and it is a fact that this game is a barren wasteland with non-existent level design, tedious travel times and repetitive missions structure. Not to mention the story. Helicopter Simulator V.
Every time this game comes up it just makes me sad. I am a diehard mgs fan and this game should not have been released incomplete, and kojima should not have been forced to stop making new mgs games
Kojima wanted to stop making MGS games since 2 and always got pulled back in.
I just dont know why Konami couldnt release mission 51, the have the material and the capabilities
Co-op with friends would have also been really fun and it defineately could have been added. Just feels like a missed opportunity
Because they fired Kojima before he could finish it and they didn't want to make it without him.
Exactly hell they could have finished mission 51 as part of a dlc with co op added
They clearly really wanted to turn the tap off so gave the team an absurd deadline after firing Kojima
A dream come true is if Konami, re-release a master collection connecting ground zeros seamlessly, and adding a finished mission 51 to the end. Here’s to hoping!
I agree that mission 51 should have been included and finished. That’s the only part of the game that feels unfinished to me. Everything else can be chalked up to normal cut content that every game has. Skull Face’s story was definitely fully explored. Taking him down was the big climax of chapter 1. Chapter 2 is just the fallout of those events. Sure, I have some gripes with the game, but feeling incomplete is barely one of them. The game has its own unique identity, whether it be from Kojima’s grand plan or just happy accidents, and I think chalking everything up to it just being incomplete does the game a huge disservice. The fans hurt this game more than Konami at this point. Personally, I’m largely very happy with what we got, and I wouldn’t really want it to be different at this point.
I really wished Venom could have his demon head model from the last MGSV trailer edited by Kojima
We will just have to wait and see how PHYSINT turns out. But even without that for reference, it's clear that MGSV:TPP could have been so much more when you look at the quality and depth of Death Stranding. All Konami needed to do was let him cook, regardless of time taken, and they would still be reaping the rewards to this day. Not only did Konami rob us of the full TPP experience/vision but they also fucked us over with P.T. being shelved. Plus it didn't help that they wanted it to be playable on PS3 as well as 4, restricting innovations.
Kojima has mentioned in the Book of MGS V TPP that the game it self was Complete to him. Episode 51 was cut LONG before Kojima was fired. while the GAMEPLAY was 10/10 the story was about a 6/10
The game was "Complete" to the ones who made it. similar to What you experienced with Co-op play, i remember a video with him discussing it, but I can not find it.
co-op as a Mod, should come out, Weve seen it done with Cyberpunk at the moment, i believe with a great modder, we can make it happen in MGS V
can relate to the "took a week off work and suddenly credits rolled" part. Was super bummed out back then because MGO was still waaaays off and I had experienced all the story and most of the side content (didnt have the time due to work to finish 100% until waaaay later on PC).
Still it is, for me at least, a great final entry in the MGS franchise, because it more or less lets you yourself be Big Boss in your own Eyes and that for me is better than some half baked missions after the "Truth" mission imo. Great Video :)
It's definitely unfinished but it's still one of the best games ever.
I wish Kojima Productions would get the MGS IP so they could make a proper ending for this game.
Hideo Kojima has said several times that he considers it to be finished.
& this is what you call delusional, ☺️ it’s literally not finished hence the after thought of extra cutscenes added after the fact the game came out. Literally none of you can explain that because you can’t, it’s literally unfinished, it’s very obvious playing it. Kojima was way over budget and wanted to make a 12/10 but Konami said we’re good with a 9 so it was dialed down.
Yeah right. If it was finished, Kojima would’ve still have been making metal gear games. What does Kojima gain out of saying MGSV is incomplete? Fans nagging about the real ending.
The game was finished though. I guess mgs 2 was unfinished as well because the struts on shell 2 werent explorable even though they were supposed to be, 3 bosses were cut, and cutscenes cut. Kojima is on record saying mgs V is complete and as intended and apologized that fans didnt like the route he took with the storytelling this time. Opting to tell the story through cassette tapes instead of mandatory codec calls so the gameplay could be uninterrupted as you play and listen to them. All the cut content as well was pretty early in development. Stop spreading fake news saying the game was unfinished.@Kreapypastoid
@@Kreapypastoid Sorry that your fave game director disappointed you bro. You are never going to find what you are after, because it doesn't exist.
Keep up with the delusions if it makes you feel better, though. The rest of us have long since accepted the reality of MGSV.
@@KreapypastoidExacty. If the game was truly honestly finished then why does mission 51 exist in the first place. The "mission" itself just being an unfinished cutscene and some concept art to fill in the gaps. Releasing mission 51 wouldnt have been up for debate if the game was finished. The fact they felt the need to release it in order to elaborate on the nonexistent ending is konamis own admission that the games incomplete.
Why would they reveal "scrapped content" that wraps up the story if the story was already done. Labeling it mission 51 clearly alludes to it adding onto the story or else it would just been labeled cut content
MGSV caused me to stop trusting Kojima. I got 100% and I wish I hadn't.
Womp womp
Womp womp
Hahahahah
Have you played death stranding? If so I’d like to hear your opinion as someone who very much likes both mgsv and ds. my overall favorite is mgs1 tho
@@russellwestbrook462DS is awesome 💪
Can we just acknowledge that even now nine years later MGS5 is still a graphical masterpiece? Very few games even come close to it and the majority of modern titles are still unable to surpass it.
Even now, 9 years to the day, we will go back and forth on whether or not the game is finished. The one thing I truly believe we can agree on is that we all wanted more from the game
We can use a find battle tank, and yet battle gear is breaking balance
the reason there is no new mgs bc konami knows without kojima they just cant make one and if they do it will be a disappoinment they know kojima is mgs they fired their gem their core
More like the fans would tear it apart before it even got a chance
@@cannedcoffee2518No they just cant make one. Metal gear survive comes to mind.
at the part at 7:55 you're wrong he will shot them if to take long enough. nice video though
About Episode 46: One thing is certain about Ishmael is that he was actually a real person, not venom snake's hallucination. Now whether he was the real big boss or some other person is upto debate.
When Quiet was sent to assassinate venom snake in the hospital, she said the line "Not yet. The patient in the next bed saw my face", which proves that it was Ishamel who saw quiet's face. Quiet never had any hallucinatory issue like venom snake and was fully mentaly healthy so she was there and she saw ishmael with her own eyes.
Another thing to mention is that venom snake was physically exhausted and weak after waking up from a 9 years of coma. So he wouldn't be able to throw things at quiet and douse her with fire. Anybody after waking up even 6 months of coma would be very exhausted at first and would need some time to fully regain strength to fight and move around.
Ishmael, the person, helped venom snake survive and escape from the hospital after venom snake woke up from a decade long coma.
About cut guard dogs: cutting them was a better decision. They would have been too difficult to deal with in the game and that would have made the gameplay frustrating for most players.
Other than these, i agree with everything else said in this video. Excellent video making. Everything is to the point. I myself is very disappointed about the fact that one of my favorite games was released incomplete.
Is it bad that I'm still waiting for the game to finish..
Couldn't they dlc or finish it without the man?
Its probaly not going to be finished, unless the devs at Konami are brave enogth to make continue the story in some sort of anaversery addition
To balance the batle gear t-90 would be a good counter in the open world
i consider myself a MGS fan but not a die hard fan as MGS 1 was one of the first games i owned on my PC in 1999 and i have fond memories of it (altough i was to little to understand how to finish it then - a 7 yo that didnt know english ) and along my journey as a gamer i played most MGS games and i liked them all ( still have to play Reveangeance but i am not interested to play the old ones from the 80s)
Ok, so , back to the point. MGS 5 is a masterpiece but i dont think i ever played a game that is also a true masterpiece and a once in a console generation type of game and also a total mess story wise. no game left me so confused and so empty, so unsatisfied at the end like mgs 5 did.
I truly dont know if this was Kojimas plan (i consider him so "crazy" that it could have been his plan hence the name "phantom pain" like you mentioned in the video )
but this game is without a doubt unfinished. Unique game overall, still in my best 10 of all time and i played a lot of games.
Happy 9 years!🎉 also I agree with you it’s a unfinished game I hate that we never got chapter 3 nor going to camp omega but maybe in the future we’ll get it idk we don’t know we just have to keep waiting also coop will be really fun if they did that
9 years and people still with this "unfinished game" gimmick
That's the phantom pain for you it's pain for something not really there
It gets tiring after 9 years of it
@@sciishere fr its like people don't understand that every game in history has cut content because of time or budged
@@PautinoPR that's a stupid argument. Every game has cut content but MGSV has a huge empty feeling, they literally didn't even add the finale and just gave us concept art. It's lazy AF and you're justifying it because you're a fanboy.
@@120Pythons my brother in christ the game is as intended and it clearly has an ending did you not watch the truth ending with the mirror and the tapes? It literary ends connecting V to Metal Gear 1 ....what more do you want? And those concept arts and videos to the supposed next chapter was given to people who bough the collectors edition so do your research before talking nonsense
I swear to God that many people will call this game the goat but this masterpiece is like puzzle without the last piece
About number 5… there is a kind of inconsistency in mission 46.
At 02:32 Ocelot pulls Big Boss out of the ambulance leaving Venom unconscious, then time skips & you see them together at 05:59 (you witness sunrise during the scene).
In the prologue Ocelot pulls Venom out of the ambulance at 03:07 & you play until you see them get on the ship together (before sunrise).
You could say that Ocelot went back and forth while Venom was unconscious (why?), but how could Ocelot go back at 05:59 if he got on the ship (before sunrise)?
I think it's designed to feel unfinished, a true... phantom pain
Bad news dude, same guy who made this game also made both MGS2 and 4 along with death stranding. MGSV was made the way it was with the express intent to mess with people like you. It’s literally doing everything in its power to leave you with a sense of missing something, a quite literal phantom pain. I wish it wasn’t true but that’s just how things are with Kojima
The game isn't finished? Sure, it's not finished.
Is it still a masterpiece that connects a story 28 years long? Yes, it is. And that's enough for me.
Let it go guys… Yes, content was cut, but that’s not unusual in the gaming industry. Probably almost every game has a cut content, only it’s not so widely discussed and analyzed as in this case. MGSV’s story is presented thru a man with a broken mind, brainwashed, and with a fucking shrapnel in his brain. Be a little open minded, use your imagination. And watch some related movies like 1984, A beautiful mind, Fighter Club, Moby Dick, etc… and then, maybe you’ll get it.
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The replayed missions later in the game are intentional more than just recycled levels. It's to make you, as the player, realize that Venom was an unreliable narrator the whole time.
There is so much cut from this game,there’s no question the game was unfinished. That said it’s probably both Konami and Kojima’s fault.
its funny how this game still has better game mechanics than most games now. if not all of them now
I’m a middle aged man. I played a metal gear in the late 1990s and have been playing phantom pain for the last two months. Might sound sad but I haven’t laughed as much in over 20 years and brought back great memories. I’ve zero interest in the story, it became very obvious to me only a few hours in that that they made the game and then tried to fit the story around it. It isn’t a deep, intricate or important story. Just enjoy the game. Well that’s for me.
I don't think it's a matter of theory. It was a well known fact that kojima and konami clashed a lot during production. I believe I've read somewhere that konami was working kogima and his crew to the bone, without paid overtime etc. and he packed the whole team and left. That is the reason the game was incomplete, and konami being the vengeful twats they are, even striped the phrase "A Hideo Kojima Game" from the cover. I also believe that the very ending of the game(or close resemblence to it) was a nod to the palyers, a love letter to the fans if you wish by kojima-sensei himself saying to us "Now, you are Big Boss", hinting that his legacy will live through us because konami was bound to destroy the franchise, and it did(MGS: Survive).
For everyone in the comments denying this well known fact that this game is unfinished, we all know Konami practically decided to stop making games altogether for a decade, they decided this during the production of mgsv. Considering how large that game is unfinished i imagine it possibly inspired the decision.
Knowing this and that the lead was fired before it went gold, combined with the fact that its infamously the most '3/4 of the way thru we were told fo wrap up asap' feeling game in history,
Its a lot of smoke for no fire, even if the man himself is being prideful and classy about the situation.
i'd love if they at least took what kojima wanted to do with the story and made some extra missions by dlc
what I don't get is that Konami did not attempt to add the missing pieces or add some updates for added side ops missions etc. They just did not want dish out more money on the game just to get on Kojima bad side.
Mission 51 is the big one, everything else is minor stuff. Mgs4 is missing much more impactful stuff like the act 3 sewer section, yet folks don't complain about that game being unfinished cuz it had a traditional narrative structure and a proper ending. Mgs2 is missing a bunch of struts and I think two Dead Cell members were cut/condensed into existing members. TPP being the "unfinished one" is a bit misleading IMO.
Nah bro it's all there, at least with the story. U just have to know the history of mgs
Still play this game until this day and never get bored
Idk, when discussing why MGSV feels incomplete you can't just mention that some missions in chapter 2 are just earlier missions in passing, like that isn't a huge freaking deal. Don't get me wrong; I love MGS lore. However, if Phantom Pain where a book we wouldn't be complaining. Alas, it's a videogame, one that wasn't fully developed. It literally just pads the runtime with replayed missions from earlier in the game, while the cutscenes carry on not attached to what Snake is doing for like a third if not more of the game.
It's still the best game in the series for me. 4 killed me with WAY WAY TOO MANY cutscenes. This was where the game had to go after that. Putting it back in the players hands. And it did it with the best controls and gameplay of the series. It may not be the best story, it has a ton of cut content, but I still like it the best.
I really love venom snake, probably my favorite snake, if not my favorite mgs character, but the story of mgsv was never the strongest, unfinished or not. The gameplay was always the star of the show.
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I also think it's weird that Psycho Mantis couldn't just read Ishmael's mind and know that he is the real Big Boss, while the other is just a clone of him.
Maybe he did...
He could have but like a ton of characters and their characterization were also incomplete. Psycho mantis is a character that’s both telepathic and one of the main villains of the first game. And the motherfucker gets zero dialogue even. One of the many reasons why people saying “ah games have content cut all the time” is just bullshit.
Mantis dgaf about Venom not being the real boss. He only cares about who wants the most revenge at the time.
@@Nilon241this!!!
Even though personally I didn't like the story of TTP what we really need is a remake of this game to get it in a finished state with all the cut content added back in and not a reheated MGS3
Ironically, this entire feeling of phantom pain that we never saw the finished metal gear V game is exactly kind of phantom pain the game inflicted upon players, forever missing and pondering what could have been the ending of the story. We have been intentionally left unfinished because it's causes us the Phantom pain.
Incomplete - well... its called phantom pain for a reason^^
The worst part is that Konami didn't even finish the game despite Kojima leaving. Like they could have released a big update to the game, or a DLC to finish the game with the Kingdom of Flies episode and such.
What happened to the latest metal gear livestream jag?
I still remember the release day like it was yesterday. What a day that was. And I also remember becoming increasingly confused and disappointed towards the end of the game. Still, even unfinished it's one of the greatest games ever.
And no, despite what many people say, the game isn't "just like Kojima intended". It clearly is handicapped because of Konami, and not some 4D phantom pain vision by Kojima which worked exactly as he wanted. That's just a defense mechanism.
We’re has this guy been under a rock ,we already knew mission 51 was missing,and according to kojima ,in order to unlock mission 51 , you have to complete the nuke event if de activate all nukes it unlocks mission chapter3 most important you have to do your side ops list to speed up the process
if you just wanted make a rant about mgs5 about the mission 51 and blast Kojima
Next time you do your proper research if you want to know the real story
I actually thought of Ishmael being a psychosis, he is just in his head.
Things that never happen …
I'm of the camp that Kojima had the story laid out and midway through drama with the company hit and he didn't get the money to finish his story. So he decided to take the assets and money's he had left and stitched SOMETHING for us at the 11th hour.
The game was supossed to have both twin snakes, solidus training Raiden, sniper wolf being rescued BY BB, Frank Yaeger killing Naomi's parents, maybe even a young Roy Campbell for fan service to name a few things off the top of my head.
Everything we got after rescuing Kaz was just garbage. Even the unfinished lord of the flies bullshit was garbage, Kojima just cut it cuz he was tired of making fillers and garbage due to the aforementioned bullshit with Konami.
In closing I like to play mgsv as a different character and I imagine being a completely different person running around in an MGS universe. It sorta feels like that's what he ended up going for.
Update: I also think that the diamond dogs mother base in mgsv was supposed to be the beginnings of outer heaven in Africa. But was scraped cuz of all the changes that came about.
I have such a love/hate thing with this game. Technically, it's a marvel. The way you control and manipulate Venom to do anything you want, when clearing a base or settlement, never gets boring. It's an incredibly good stealth game.
But, as an MGS game... It's lacking severely (for me). The tone, the lack of effective or memorable bosses, the loss of Codex conversations, the loss of Hayter, and ultimately, the lack of a MGS feel to the world, just makes it feel so bland and generic. The music made me feel nothing, the stale voice acting, the lack of life in both massive game maps. Most damning of all (again, for me), I found the story boring. I didn't care about anything, nor anyone because nothing felt convincing. MGS1 - 4 all had heart. I cared about what happened. This is all why I think MGSV is an amazing stealth game, but I cannot enjoy it as an MGS game. I find it soulless.
Best game ever 😎. Even if it is "unfinished" i don't care it blows away death stranding in game mechanics and story
Unbelievable that its been almost a decade since this games release
If MGSV finished games, DLC and all featured completely.. this games will be best all of the times!
Like the main story of this game, I think the arguments presented here dropped in quality since point no.5. While the first 4 points make some sense, specially with the pacing, most of reason 5 to 9 are either pure speculation with little to no valid sources or just too minimal.
The man helping you in the prologue isn't a random projection, which doesn't make sense in the story, is Bigg Boss (most likely). The co-op isn't necessary for the main experience, specially when we already have Mother Base as a PvP; the world was made with single player in mind. The platform specific content is both redundant and it was clearly an advertising move; the game already has many customization options. And the guard dogs, as interesting as it could be, seemed to be removed just like the Battle Gear, since we already have wild animals and could mess with the overall flow of base infiltration.
Overall, it feels like the 9 arguments were a gimmick, just like the main story itself.
The gameplay is 10/10 But I really didn't like the story, as someone who played MGS 5 as his first MGS game, I wanted to try playing with the character Solid Snake, which many consider to be one of the greatest characters in gaming, only to find out that I played with a random Npc the whole time lol
in the japanese culture honor is a big thing with them. it’s clear that kojima was upset with how konami threated him and didn’t want to release the game unfinished but he can not openly talk about it without it hurting his honor and that comes with a lot of things people not wanting to work with him companies not wanting to work with his production team so he has to keep his mouth shut.
it’s very simple. he wanted to make a huge game but all the money they spent making the fox engine pissed konami off they wanted the game out and out asap. the whole reason ground zeros was made was for konami to make some of the money back. they most likely gave kojima a deadline and when he said the game isn’t finished that’s when they took him off the game have his staff finish the game. this is why chapter two is all repeat missions. we will never know what the story was really meant to because we don’t know when they took him off the game. the people left in charge of finishing the coding and trying to figure out how to wrap the game up so it made sense who knows how much of that was done by his team and not him. remember he was not allowed to even communicate with his team at some point.
as for camp omega i think we got a hint of what it was supposed to be. the map was released in mgv online but in a future setting. it was probably meant to be a part of the nuclear disarmament. after all pmc destroyed all their nukes everyone would be given a new special mission. where they have to go to camp omega and destroy the last remaining nukes on the planet. most likely would be insanely well guarded and would be the hardest mission ever. the whole “only can be done in video games” to me saids the zero nukes part and “going back there” if we go back remember at the end of the game we are in a different time so even if we go back it will be at least 9 years later most likely more but you get the idea.
“Incomplete” but you don’t believe what he said? Lol
Well at least he went over budget a lot and didn’t “finish” it so…
Exactly '' In our Timeline ' Maybe It's Not Over Yet
No need for 9 reasons only 1 its incomplete because the last chapter is only like 30 percent completed and unplayable hence incomplete/unfinished
Yall remember the ending of Everybody hates Chris? It felt like that when it ended
Crazy thing is I've never been able to beat the game after the motherbase massacre because I hate redoing missions with different difficulties.
There is still gaurd dog dialogue used in the game during FOB's.
The coop was announced for MGS5... in a trailer, it got replaced with the buddy system
Got a video title or link? I have no memory whatsoever of this and I followed every piece of content like a vulture pre-release. If it happened it mustve been like 2012 or something before even the actual TPP trailer.
@kingnro1 I remember commenting on the video... it appeared for a few seconds on the pre mission screen, where instead of the buddy select it was " play with a friend " or " coop ".
I dont promise but I'll try to find it
@@ThisIsGlitch hmm, then it would've been by the time they were showcasing bona fide TPP gameplay footage. Doesn't ring any bells, and I was involved on mgsforums and other boards where every piece of news was relentlessly discussed. I think you might just be misremembering, unless it was maybe some Japanese gameplay showcase that wasn't discussed in the west? Dunno
You should talk about the fake nuclear disarmament incident
Honestly kingdom of the flies is so irrelevant, would've been a cool mission but wouldnt have answered how all the pieces ended up where they did in later metal gear games so wouldnt have felt any more complete
i think the biggest reason the game is unfinished is because when you get to the end of it it tells you theres another chapter and then theres not
Ive been playing PP and nobody has brought up guard dogs.
2:02 LMAOOO the censorship is killin me
I think the game is "unfinished" as there were clearly plans for paid dlc which would gave expanded the story, but that went out the window when Konima was fired.
kojima got himself fired to drive this narrative that its supposed to be unfinished, truely a legend among men
Unfinished? Bro blame that on Konami. The game is still goated
I think A LOT to MOST of TPP was finsihed.. I beleive Kojima wh3n he says THIS GAME DELIVERED WHAT HE INTENDED. However, I beleieve he had always also planned on FINISHING the story with DLC or a third disc (at the time) THAT being the thing only video games to deliever.
Were you expecting an update or something?
Still never played this game as they g out rid of David hayter for Keith Sutherland not to mention it was unfinished if they were going to get rid of David hayter at least explain how his voice changed from peace walker to phantom pain through a coma or something that makes sense and if Keith didn’t want to do more lines get Richard Doyle for mgs4 to do the lines
The game is finished, no matter what you say. Get over it, or hold onto your phantom pain.
Okay youtube, i will play mgs5 again
Another segment you shouldve included was the Chico concept art, that wouldve been crazy had we of had that arc he wouldve been a buddy, too.
His role was already filled by Quiet as the human buddy who appeals more to Kojima.
I first got this game around 8 years ago. I played through a our 1/3rd of it, and I put it down until about a year ago. I finished it a our six months ago. I couldn't put it down.
Benim canımı sıkan tek şey tekrar eden 5-6 görev. Bir de kullanılabilir 3-4 aracı oyundan çıkarmışlar.
Unfinished sure, but it was definitely heavily rushed during its development even when it had LOTS of time. Afghanistan and Africa is proof of that. And of course you have the entirety of Ground Zeroes being a separate game thanks to Konami.
This game was a huge mistake. Being a generic open (boring) world was the first sin.
Sure buddy, the game is still fun
Great video yeah it's not finished but Kojima to blame 98 million to make but having a online element was a waste of money. FOB and Coop would be fine but online multiplayer competing with fortnight is beyond delusional
And it is still the best MGS game, in my factual opinion
100% has the best gameplay, except camouflage.
Best gameplay, worst story.
Best gameplay for sure but the story was so forgetful I literally can barely remember any of it. Such a shame cause the engine is fantastic it was so fun to play
Game play. Yes. Everything else was trash
The gameplay isn't even good. Only the controls feel good.
But the level design is abysmal compared to every game before it, especially MGS3. Camp Omega is better than every single area in TPP. TPP is a big empty wasteland with a bunch of little outposts that all feel the same.
The mechanics are actually garbage and it doesn't even feel like Metal Gear (Where are the rations and the codec frequencies? Regen health and sprinting now, is this COD?) and the guards are the dumbest in the series. They don't even clear the area properly and work tactically in groups like they did in MGS2 which is a PS2 GAME!!
MGSV isn't stealth action, it's a bootleg Tom Clancy game that wanted to be open world and mission based.
I totally agree. 100%.
Ask Konami instead
It's been 9 years, let's just let it go. The game is fine as it is.
Most perfect incomplete game oat
I’m afraid it’s been… 9 years
*Chico is Quiet*