Mgsv was the foundation for the s3 plan | analysis
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- the Mysteries of Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain | The Legacy of the S3 Plan and Cipher's Control
Join us on a journey through the enigmatic world of Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain as we delve into the depths of the S3 Plan and Cipher's control. From the shadows of manipulation to the echoes of lost identities, explore the intricate web of intrigue that continues to captivate gamers worldwide.
In this video, we unravel the complexities of the S3 Plan-a foundational element in the Metal Gear saga-and its role in shaping the destinies of beloved characters and the fate of humanity itself. Cipher's control looms large, orchestrating events and manipulating emotions to serve a grander agenda, leaving players questioning the nature of free will and the boundaries of power.
Years after its release, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain remains a topic of fervent discussion and speculation, its mysteries still unraveling and its impact reverberating throughout the gaming community. Join us as we explore the enduring legacy of this iconic game, diving deep into its themes, characters, and the timeless questions it poses about the human condition.
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@mycarboardbox
Thank you for the great video.
Fun fact: In The Phantom Pain when in the helicopter you can rotate the camera to look up at the map and photos stuck to the ceiling. One photo looks like a satelite snapshot of land with a crosshair. On this photo you can simply see S3.
Can you show a link to it. I can't find it anywhere on the net. I don't have the game anymore.
A Ghost without a past, born in a small village.
Psycho mantis:
"my future disappeared I lost my past as well.
when I came to the Village was engulfed
in flames."
"We're truly the same you and I."
(while staring into a broken mirror like venom.)
Psycho mantis:
"I never agreed witht the bosses revolution, his dreams of world conquest."
Codetalker:
"as a boy skullface's life went up in flames"
Skullface:
"With each new post, my masters changed, along with the words they made me speak. Words are... peculiar. With each change, I changed too. My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong
I was invaded by words, burrowing and breeding inside me."
Psycho mantis:
"other peoples thoughts force their way into my mind."
Ok, I admit it. MGS V (GZ+TPP) is my favorite game. Incredible storytelling, perfect gameplay, 3 large maps, ironic characters, various solo missions, Mother Base management, FOB missions, deep messages analysis... This game seems so real, it is so intense. It is not a game, it is a masterpiece.
If only they ported peace walker to mgs 5 and changed the maps to be a more PC game instead of psp
if you haven't played Portable Ops and Peace Walker, i recommend playing them too. you'll see some foreshadowing for MGSV sprinkled in those games.
You’re favorite game because of storytelling? This is objectively the worst metal gear game as far as storytelling goes and I think the entire fan base is in agreement on that. Surely you haven’t played the other games
@@TranscendencyBand1your correct a 100% but don't even Try to talk to these kojima sheeps saying this to them is like talking to a mindless void 🕳️ they will never get it because will they love mediocrity again kojima simps in the end of the day
For me Peace walker is truly where big boss prequel ended it really was all I needed to know I thought original back then before MGS5 release that it was going to be that star wars ROTS like prequel to give us that fall from grace but NOOOPE NOOOOPE
So yeah F### MGS5 🖕😒
I think the wandering old mother base soldiers are part of venom’s imagination just as well as Paz was, because he really miss the old mother base and felt bad when they were tricked as all those soldiers died for big bosses mistake. Also the pictures that you can get from the old mother base soldiers can be grabbed by Paz and i dont think the soldiers can’t survive in the wild for 9 years without survival gear too.
Maybe, does not sound wrong.
if i remember right, it was stated that all of Miller's MSF bodyguards got completely wiped out by the Skulls. some of them might have survived, but there's also a chance that they might also be hallucinations all along.
They are officially explained as being from Dite (dee tay) around the end of Metal Gear Survive if you decide to not fight The Lord of Dust, and just try to ride the wormhole back to your time then that’s what you become.
In MGSurvive it’s revealed later that Dite is actually the earth 200 years in the future. With The Lord of Dust having the power to manipulate time basically just goes 10 years or so into the past then lives the ten years that way they can keep getting stronger then stronger. Each time it does that there is a time in there were the wormhole pulls the player character into Dite from the XOF attack on MotherBase. So when we are playing as Venom the lord of dust has gone back in time 11 times, and ideally when you play Survive it’s the 11th time it happened and you decide you have to fight them because they are finally strong enough to go back in time far enough to bring the dust to wipe out all of mankind forever
@@12foot04 Nothing is revealed in Metal Gear Survive because that shitfest is not an actual part of the series
I hold the theory that Ground Zeroes was a Venom training simulation. On top of Miller's words about being tricked by Paz, and the man in the interrogation tapes that sounds suspiciously like him... In the first mission of The Phantom Pain when we rescue Miller, he says aboard the helicopter how he remembers losing Mother Base. Specifically, he says "I remember it all." He then stares directly at you, Venom, and you flash back to: the fall of MB. Then, a scene that is NOT in Ground Zeroes: Second flash is Big Boss bloody and staring out at the sea from the helicopter, looking distressed. Then... flashes of Skull Face before boarding the XOF chopper, something Venom never saw. It's as if the entirety of the events of Ground Zeroes was implanted into Venom's mind. This might be a fourth wall thing, as a "reminder to the player", but then the "false" memory of Big Boss staring out of the helicopter throws that for a loop. Strange stuff.
interesting stuff
Was it not mentioned that Big Bosses memories were "implanted" into Venom through hypnotic suggestion or hypno-therapy? Sounds like a bs cop out, I can take giant nuke launching robots, parasites that give people super powers, people with bullshit mind reading, can talk to the dead.etc Thats all fine, but fucking hyponsis to implant memories??!?! Naw Hypnosis simply cannot do that and I refuse to believe it. It would have been more believable if they told us that Venom got the memories from drinking a chug jug.
That’s most definitely what it was. It also helps explain why it was the Kroger Sutherland “medic” version of snake that was doing everything. I take a step further and hold the belief that “Snake” in the hospital is just an illusion that venom is seeing. He’s actually doing it all by himself, but his mind hasn’t processed the fact that he’s able to accomplish all of it at that point
Never realized how well the Silent Hill 2 OST fits MGS so perfectly.
A near 2 hour video focused on a specific detail of MGS?! Yes.
Finger and Eye: so if you rescue them during the mission and upload your GZ data to PP. Guess what? They switch identities
how?? i never noticed that
Ground zero as a $40 demo was the perfect example of control & manipulation…Mgs v theme is reflection & how we perceive things in a post modern world
Honestly despite the price back in the day i played the hell out of ground zero. Probably played it more than most full price games today
It's not a demo. The contents of GZ are not in TPP, and essential to the plot. Not only the main mission, but the missions marked as "side ops" as well.
Using electric shock therapy and cassette tapes to virtually train someone while they are in a coma is pretty cool actually
*ocelot slaping your face to simulate a interogation *
Was replaying mgs5 when I noticed, that if you zoom in on the windows with snake in view, at the corner of the window you can see the medics reflection.
The theme of information control runs through the entire Metal Gear series.
In the original Metal Gear, Solid Snake was supposed to fail his mission and carry false information to the world.
The part that I haven't seen anyone discuss is the idea that "V has come to" being a command given vocally, can also be interpreted as "V has come too", being that Venom is now coming along for the ride. Cipher didn't let people know when Big Boss came to, just when Venom did. By the time we're in control of Venom escaping from the hospital, Big Boss is already working with Cipher ensuring that Venom gets out of the hospital safely.
"safely"
This was one hell of a game. I couldn't get enough of it. All the easter eggs, all the connections. Are they real? Is anything real? It's an amazing concept.
Given the high possibility of GZ being the hypnogogia treatment Venom received I struggle wondering if the Chico tapes are real or fabricated for the simulation
Brother, you're killing it. Keep it up!
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likewise bro 👍
Amazing video, my friend. Thank you for your hard work.
This is your best piece up to yet. Enjoyed it thoroughly multiple times
thanks again mate
Mgs V is such a mystery it's like it won't fit into the metal gear series it's like there's something left to tell
That is kinda the point
"MGSV WAS THE FOUNDATION OF THE S3 PLAN"
I've been saying this for years.
You could make a video about MGSV in 2042, and you're damn right I'd be interested.
people hate on Skull Face literally just because there was no boss fight. he's easily one of the best written villains in the series
Back at release i didn't liked him because he wasnt all that present throughout the game, but i guess it just felt like that because you go through the game at your own pace much more than in other MGS games though to all the side stuff and the Open world. And i dislike his Design,that never really changed, hard to not see him as a red Skull copy.
His personality and story is far better than for example volgin from MGS 3. That dude was kinda boring tbh, especially after the Cobra unit.
@@brotbrotsen1100 upon a recent playthrough i realized that the game throws way too many missions at you that don't move the main story forward in chapter 1. there's way too many missions like Red Brass and Backup Back Down that could've helped pad out the under developed Chapter 2 and would've kept Chapter 1 more focused. i think people would've enjoyed the Skull Face story more had they kept it more focused with less unrelated missions as a distraction. besides there's already plenty of side ops if you want a break from the main story.
Slight correction: Kaz didn't help Big Boss in Phantom Pain only to end up working for Cipher again in the near future when he helped Solid Snake instead. By that time, Kaz had already found out that Big Boss had tricked him into helping Venom Snake and left him. Kaz rejoined Cipher to work with the real Big Boss who had already rejoined them. The only time he betrayed or slightly went against Big Boss was when he brought Galvez and Paz into Colombia
Imagine being so worthless that you go your whole life trying to make a grunt soldier look like an enemy to the world🤣. Zero really needed to fix himself. Even in the wheel chair that dude was still after power.
I really like the Daltonize filter used in this video, the strong Yellow tones works really well
1:13:03 What’s the background music?
1:28:55 Here too
Great video! I went ahead and subscribed. The entire series of Metal Gear is built on players(and characters) not knowing the truth. What is and isn't canon is debatable because there are layers of deception shrouding most aspects of the story. After all these years, it's kind of up to interpretation whether or not MGS(PS1) was through Solid Snake's eyes or if it was the VR training that Raiden(and the player) went through. With that as a possibility, it's also reasonable to consider that MGS3 might not be Big Boss's actual story, but Venom Snake's implanted memories of the mission. I haven't completed Peace Walker and TPP so some of this I'll have to go through those games to have a better understanding.
I personally think that not having every bit of the story clearly explained makes it more interesting. I enjoyed MGS4 but one thing I think could have been done better is to leave some things unresolved. Instead, it kind of felt like pieces of the puzzle were being forced together in order to create fan service.
On another video someone commented that og mgs1 is what Solid Snake lived, whereas mgs twin snakes is Raiden’s vr mission. I really like that theory
@@juanmejiagomez5514 I always heard that The Twin Snakes was Otacon's version of what happened. He can't help but exaggerate what happened because he thinks what happens is so cool and "like one of his animes." You could be right, that would make sense too. There is nothing that says either way what role The Twin Snakes plays in the series so it's up to players to decide what they think is true.
@@wes773105333 That’s a cool theory too!
Skullface suffered from his presentation being marred by the game not being finished.
the game is finished, there was just content removed, and the presentations poor, because of the way konami and kojima had there differences it would of been alot better otherwise
@mycardboardbox would've been as in WOULD HAVE BEEN.
"Would of" is not a thing.
Also, you mean "their"
Kind of finished.
@@mycardboardbox
2 part is obviously unfinished and chapter 3 doesn't exist at all
Awesome video! Watched the whole thing 😊
MGS6, the story of The Joy and the Cobra unit during WW2. The secret unit that saved the world. The Boss being the core of all of MGS lore. 9 years of waiting, please give us MGS6.
If they hire kojima studios then yes, but first they need to finish the delta remakes and the deltas needs to be super profitable to even start thinking about that
I don’t think kojima would ever go back to konami for that to happen
@@juanmejiagomez5514 not going back but konami giving permission for kojima production/hire the studio as a publisher to make the game
@@ergsegweargfsadf That’d be awesome, but Konami would want to profit heavily on such a project and I don’t think Kojima would let them. The only way I see this happening is if Konami issues a public apology while granting Kojima no restrictions on any future collaboration, but I don’t think Konami cares enough to do something like this
@@juanmejiagomez5514 yup agreed, this is a bit what I had in my mind but didn't care to write out like you did
1:24 Well, almost "9 years" since the release of MGSV: TPP, which was in Sep 1 2015.
Great work again 👍.
I swear that tape from Ground Zeros was supposed to be something big in Phantom Pain.
Here's to you too @thevoicebox thank you for continuously giving out more and more Metal Gear content We're Not Your Kind of People but the Nuclear peace message is clear, but I'm a huge fan of this series and I appreciate your voice in these awesome videos
Ive never played older MGS game but only GZ/ an TPP MGS(V)?
But my question is why did Big Boss betray the Good and became independent or Bad in a way? I’m confused about why he was good then Not Good and also why the clones of Big Boss as well.
big boss wanted to be free from governments and systems he created a new nation one where soldiers are needed, but his lust of war drove him into some dark paths and eventually became just as bad as the patriots, he wanted establish a world dependant on war, that was his business. but he did do good things rescuing orphans and people in deprived war torn countries and saved them, like frank jaeger, aka gray fox, and sniper wolf
Fantastic analysis man 🔥🔥
I really enjoyed this! Great job!
Just want to say this video meant a lot to me.
I’ve always loved Metal Gear. I even refer to myself as Big Boss and my goal is to create my own Outer Heaven.
Seriously though you don’t know how impactful this video is to me and I just want to say thank you.
Much love and blessings. - Bankkey 💪🏾💙
Meanwhile: idolizing Big Boss and trying to propagate PMCs was the message of doing the wrong thing
Oh well
But they'll do it the RIGHT WAY, @@vixenpeon lol
the whole filtering out bad information. I've wondered if that would affect alot of the groups we see today in terms of "ideology"
Its happening now.
@@YABUKIJOE2077It always happend
Fantastic breakdown. Great job.
in mgs, the bad guys are always really the good guys
Absolutely brilliant video you deserve more subscribers
I find it insanely funny how after 9 years im playing the phantom pain again, I was a teenager in highschool when it came out, now im 23 and idk... Maybe im just a phantom of my former self... Ive been through so much..
You've been through nothing...
I believe MGSV is the best work of fiction Kojima has made since MGS2... man every time i re play this franchise i get total awe by how rich in lore is and the more questions and theories emerge
V better story than Snake Eater KEKW. This game didn’t even have a story. It was literally just all thrown in cassettes XD
Good work for real 🎉
While I severely hated that you weren't playing as who you thought you were during the game I now, several years after really enjoy the mystique and how there are no clear answers on what's real or imagination and how Venom exists in like a vacuum between plans, playing a role he didn't choose and being deprived of his own life and past.
Great stuff
This video may also cause some "conflicts" of massive magnitude with the "good listener's" "internal timeline" around 17:49 and 39:51 in particular "for a S-Special reason."
Shut up 😮💨
I have a few theories/headcanons that involve TPP going into MG1/MG2. First, the TX-11 Cyberoid (Bloody Brads) are modeled after The Medic, the outfit is a take on the Leather Jacket uniform, but with the original Outer Heaven emblem.
Next, in MG2: Solid Snake: calling George Kessler during your fight with Big Boss, he'll tell you a rumor about the Legendary Mercenary, after the Outer Heaven Uprising he was involved in the Snatcher Project, to replace the parts of his body that he lost with cybernetic enhancements.
Perhaps the rumor was true, except it was Venom Snake prior to the events of MG1. Venom, in the prologue of TPP still has his right eye intact, but grayed as if blinded. Well, while the marking system in-game was a mechanic that helped the player, what if Venom had some enhancements already, and his "eyepatch" was like a prototype of the Solid Eye system? And when you got upgrades for your Bionic Arm, it enhanced your skills. And the man behind the Snatcher Project (in the shared Kojima universe: Snatcher, MG, Policenauts) was Dr Pettrovich Madnar. In MGS4, while we don't meet him, he's still active albeit underground, and the best in the field of robotics.
I had some similar head cannon! So much potential in that interim period 👍🏼
I notice that silent hill 2 music
Look I will give it that the story is way deeper and better than people give it credit for, but the 2 big bosses twist in context of the OG metal gears is bafflingly stupid, like what's the point of developing 2 different super massive military nations at the same time if you're trying to go into hiding? It's a smoke screen to let the real BB do his thing but by the time of MG1 Big Boss shouldn't be a pariah or an enemy of the states still I mean he leads foxhound and all that so if people already pretty openly know he's got this military nation out there the whole original twist of Big Boss being the leader of outer heaven in MG1 makes absolutely no sense in lore, it honestly made more sense before that big boss just barely survived Outer Heaven blowing up and just had another base. The story of Venom is cool and fascinating but it feels silly when they try to link it back to MG1 a game with very little and silly story from the 80s and trying to make it work with this magnum opas of indirect storytelling. This series is such a mess of retcons and that's the single biggest reason it's confusing, the pieces literally don't fit. Kojima and the boys straight up went off vibes allot of the time.
MGS2 and MGSV are like mirror images of each other
I always thought the parasite thing seemed out of place and random, idk how all these things in V slipped past me so easily when your video makes it seem so obvious 😅. Guess I was younger and hadn’t played the games recently before V so my memory wasn’t too sharp on the series
What if Chico is actually Ahab and the Medic is Ishmael🤔
That's what I felt the whole time. Cus Ishmael is ass at CQC
A cooler theory I've come across is that Ishmael doesn't even exist. Like the things he does Venom actually did but he remembers or imagined Ishmael doing it. Fighting, helping etc
@@Niborino94092nd one that I prefer is that mantis was behind some of his actions also if you look at the bits of his face through the bandages he doesn’t look like big boss or venom post surgery he looks like the default character creator face I think that it’s mantis getting venom’s subconscious and his original self’s anger and using it that’s Ishmael and then when mantis has the horn in his head that’s brainwashed venom controlling mantis it’s also why Ishmael never returns the brainwashing is completely set the old him is gone and what’s left is venom snake a phantom of a monster and a medic both of them lead him to become a legend the only thing is if he’s gonna be a legend will he heal or hurt ?
I’m just hoping MGS 6 is about to be released and the clues were in front of us the whole time. It does seem Kojima directed Death Strandings but in a more “hands off” way. So maybe MGS6 was and is the true focus being worked on these 9 years
Unlikely. Kojima was fired from Konami and Konami still owns the right to Metal Gear unless that changed and I didn't hear about it.
Okay this is the second time in one of your videos that you said contributing wrong and now it's starting to bother me hahahahaha
I think Metal Gear fans do far too much intellectual heavy lifting for Hideo Kojima.
good editing but the script for the video is really bad Lots of repeated words in the same sentence, lots of meaningless pedantic filler phrases that dont serve any purpose, and an uncritical knob-slob of Kojimas 5D mega-brain plan that is overly forgiving to his convoluted and disjointed storytelling.
But I watched the whole thing! Hope you keep getting better and hope for more videos with tighter scripts in the future! Cheers!