My wife is chinese and took a look at some of these and said "if you tell Chinese people to create a superhero they're all going to be hot... because you can make them however you want so why wouldn't you want them to be hot?"
"Invisible Woman is too pretty its unrealistic". Nobody talks about Mr. Fantastic have perfect physique and he's suppose to be a rubber nerd. Im all for it.
Starting to see virtual signalers hating how the game is "sexualizing women". Bruh have they seen all the dudes?! They're jacked as shit but you don't see them bitching about it. Everyone's got cake in this game (looking at you Venom) and gamers LOVE IT. This game is an example of how games are if they're marketed towards GAMERS and not the "modern audience".
I’m not trying to glorify Chinese devs, but here’s what I’ve noticed so far: Chinese devs see U.S. dev mistakes and fix them. U.S. devs see U.S. dev mistakes and protest on Twitter/X.
Chinese devs (artists, writers, programmers) are trying to appeal to what their audience want. USA devs (and some Europes) trying to virtue signalling and bragging about their politics
China is blowing into the game sphere like usa 15 years ago when they cared about good games and not woke stuff hopefully they don’t become woke later on like us did
@@phoneguy8428 Yes and no, all character design have appeal, but some have less to look more realistic, and viceversa, is not a rule, but artists have to choose what to focus, and Marvel Rival focus more in appeal
@@danivic5499 In a world where there is no ESG and progressivism, this would be true. We're just discussing this now because they put this woke nonsense in modern games
Black Panther on his tribe costume looks so cool, badass and manly in Rivals. Meanwhile, in Avenger, he looked like generic soy black American addicted to generic hip-hop 😢.
It's isn't even a new cast, It's a pared-down list of characters compared to the whole roster they could be working with if they had a level head on any set of shoulders.
As a woman, I don't mind women characters being sexualize I mean come on. It's a fictional character, and if it looks badass, good, sexy, cute the better! Girls wouldn't even play a character ain't cute and sexy so it's not a suprise. Even for a male character, we would want them to be handsome, cute, masculine sexy, though not most loved jacked male characters but some does! We need appeal, looks matter, clothes matter, art style matters.
The funny thing is, I found a whole ahh walking tree more attractive than any of the Avenger designs. Yes, The Goot solo the whole cast, he’s not even human or handsome :::)))
It is not just the design but the posture and pose. The Rivals characters all take stylish poses and postures that suit their character. The female poses accentuates the curvature of their hips, feminine figure, legs and chest. The males similarly have chest puffed out and their demeanour is that of the heroic archetype ready to take on the world. By comparison the Avengers heroes have weak, crestfallen, low energy postures that screams, "I don't want to be here."
Okay, the "I don't want to be here" observation slew me. I know it wasn't supposed to be funny BUT IT WAS TOO TRUE. Especially since the game made the mistake of trying to look as close to the movies as possible but without actor likenesses, causing everyone to look like dollar store stand-ins for the real actors. It just enhances the "I don't wanna be here" energy or lack thereof.
@@J.R.Swish1it's doctor strange reference of how many outcomes you see vs how many we win like in the movie, so a lot of comments with the reference will look the same
I love the irony in how the womens’ bodies in this game is actually the LEAST unrealistic out of all of them. the men’s bodies in this game are literal biological fiction or only achievable with the top 0.0001% genetics supplemented by PEDs and a life dedicated to bodybuilding🤣
I enjoy skimpy costumes, but I love how Marvel Rivals is showing developers that curves are what matters. The character can be fully clothed, just show the figure and body-shape.
I remember in the 2010s the Tumblr people were going around complaining that superheroes are too unrealistic and need to be more realistic aka costume and body type, then the geek media pick up and it and started repeating it everywhere. Then we started to see costume changes to be "easier to cosplay" which tend to be way more boring. As well as the more boring bodyshapes for the female characters.
Actually, in the case of Spider-Man Rivals STILL does a better job. You know why? They are understanding the character. Let’s face it, even the best Spider-Man suits look goofy when shown standing straight and upfront. Which is why you almost NEVER see that character doing that. He’s always depicted either in motion, or some crazy, acrobatic pose or a badass, gymnastics crouch. And the Chinese game OBVIOUSLY gets it when the American game does not. Captain America and Thor are depicted standing straight and proud, showcasing their strength and stature, while Spider-Man is shown hanging upside-down, showing off his unique qualities - insane agility and balance. What I’m trying to say here is that it goes beyond even the model design itself, it’s about fundamental understanding the characters and presenting them at their best.
right hawkeye looks like a guy who gets cheated on left hawkeye looks like a guy who murdered your entire village, clapped your girl, blew up a city, kidnapped the president and said "it's just business" after all of it.
"It's realistic" is a non-argument. Scarlet Johansson is a real woman who looked like a fucking knock out in the Black Widow costume. Her realistic video game counterpart shouldn't look WORSE. Her Avengers character looks like a dude, even down to the posture, where as the Rivals version has that hip pop sassiness, and femininity.
Wouldn't go so far as to say she looks like a dude in the game, but she's certainly less attractive than Scarlet. Wouldn't say the posture is masculine either, it's just neutral and thus boring.
imagine developing a videogame and limiting your creativity by being forced to follow boring realistic standards when you could just create ANYTHIGN you want
Do you remember when people lost their shit over the charecter in some Korean game for being "impossoble" and it was directly designed on a real Korean model.
It's their choice of art direction. The industry has pushed for realistic graphics for forever now. Plus realism is closer to MCU, which most people know
Realistic stuff can look great though, it just depends on the costume designers. For example, look at the 90s Captain America costume and Cap's costume from the first Avengers movie vs Captain America's costumes in the other MCU movies.
hi im curios abt how blacks view the Black Panther? Is the title cultural nihilism on the real Black Panther in history? When black kids hear "Black Panther" whats the first thing that come to their minds?
@@skipclassfordota3361 lmao. I dont think is THAT deep. People like to hype characters that looks like them, is nothing weird or deep with that, we have been doing it all our human history, and black people too, they like to see people that looks like them. And im not black btw. Southamerican but lookin' white as paper.
Women seeing women in video games with unrealistic proportions: “That’s imposing an unrealistic standard on women!” Men seeing men in video games with unrealistic proportions: “I must begin training.”
from a game dev point of view you can tell the marvel game they basically wanted the majority of the characters to use the same base mesh and skeleton so that's why they all have the same poses and body type where as marval rivals everything is unique and the artists probably just did whatever they wanted
They're fundamentally different design problems to solve. In Rivals each hero needs to be instantly identifiable from their silhouette alone so it's actually required for them all to be unique, as is standard for hero shooters. Even if they have similar body proportions they need to have a unique stance, like how Iron Man is always flying with that unique pose, and Spider-Man is never just standing up. It doesn't excuse it, but that's why the other game used the same base models and animations. The artists couldn't do whatever they want, if anything they were even more restricted.
@@guyfromdubai Yeah, and it seems a bunch of people don't understand that. One is based on the comic style and the other is based around the live-action movie adaptations... doesn't mean it's bad, it's just more 'grounded.'
For all the image comparisons, all you'd have to ask yourself is "who would win in a fight?" In all cases, the picture on the left would wreck the one on the right...
Heroes fight every fucking day and are in peak human/mutant condition. Meanwhile, the Avengers game they look like people in their 50s cosplaying with Walmart costumes.
the Marvel Rival one is unrealistic, when you adapt it to the Realistic style of Marvel Avenger, it will look disproportionate and out of place the clothing and Equipments in Marvel Avenger is okay, it's not that bad, we've seen worse. it's just they need a slight nudge in proportion, give them a peak human proportion, but not too big that it become like a cartoon character. maybe just enough like Batman in Batman Arkham for example the Biggest Problem was the character face, it's generic as hell
@@jensenraylight8011they shouldn’t just look like humans in peak condition, most of them are mutants, they MUST be big and strong, just look at how they are portrayed in the comics
@@bressqn yes, but comic and reality is not the same MCU for example, you can't give chris evans or robert downey a cow size muscle Unless they define Marvel Avengers as a cartoon game from the very beginning And in the Game, they didn't made the proportion well defined, so that most characters look flat and generic
@venomfuryx3250 No, what you misunderstand is that China's arts and culture community was embarrassed that Americans represented China better than anything they've made at that time. People loved KP there and it was one of the jumpstart in their animation industry, it was a motivator to do better and not just make copied products.
There costumes were always the worst to barely passable, now they look among the absolute best. The only one who looks alittle off is Torch but it probably looks good in game.
@@SyLuX636 Reeds a duelist along with Jonny, their kits have been leaked. Grim is a tank, Sue’s probably gonna be strategist but I don’t think she can heal unless she’s going to be the one using the robot to proxy heal for her.
@mangasaint if Sue gives everyone Overshield to everyone like Old Simetra from OG OV that could be cool. She could make the entire team invisible has an Ult could be cool. She is definitely gonna be creative for sure.
“One’s stylized, the other is realistic!” You’re telling me that the Norse god of thunder, and the guy who was given SUPERSOLDIER serum would look “realistic”?
13:53 its funny because the Widow on the left has the body proportions of Scarlett Johansson and looks like Widow from the comics whereas the "Avengers" one is intended to look like Scarlett Johansson but has the body proportions of a loony troon.
Whats even more funny, is that Im not sure if most people remember. But they also did a redesign of Widows face in the Avengers as well. It was initally more akin to Lord Farquad, before it looks like what it is now.
It has never changed, Asian game devs ALWAYS create attractive characters ever since gaming is still a niche hobby. It's just that Western game devs have become worse over the years that Asian games are getting more and more attention and recognition.
The worst part not mentioned about the black panther skin is that it’s a SKIN. Something they made thought it looked good enough for people to want to buy. The marketing team should be fired for even allowing this to be passed through
its a chinese company that made the game. they dont hold the same values as the west. they dont even think like you do when they make their skins. they arent going to be fired. they arent ever going to be fired
marvel rivals characters have more "life" and "soul" in them. feels like a passion project. whereas in the avengers game, characters look like they just dont wanna be there. they dont wanna be coded into the game it feels like. they look so tired, monotone, and lethargic, which mimics how the developers are probably feeling when making the game
They're exactly that, uninspired. They're making superheroes that look like regular humans, when that was never meant to be how they look, if you take away their superhuman bodies they just look like dorks cosplaying for a con. Imagine if greek stonecutters tried to depict Heracles realistically, how many people would remember him?
@acev3521 it's so obvious how it's ruining stuff. It's the ppl who are dei hires working on the product's that are the real problem. Cos it they really push it and make everything worse as aren't good enough to be programming the game etc.
None of those hobos from Marvel Avengers looks like super heroes who fight bad guys day after day to save the world. They look like they are their way to New York Comicon.
The people saying "realism so its fine" as a deflection are weird since if you look at all the male body models they're probably all just a modified base body they used to save time 3d modeling. What MR is doing right is making over the top stylized comic versions and they're just as detailed as the "realistic" comparison with more detail depth. They're designs that will be remembered and remain iconic.
Realism as an argument in the Avengers case is hilarious as well considering a common criticism of the designs back when it released was that they looked off BECAUSE they were basically shitty uncanny versions of the MCU actors. Bucky and Hawkeye in particular are some of the worst offenders in particular with Bucky looking like Tommy Wiseau and Hawkeye looking like a random biker/jogger.
@@palodani58thing is, when you have characters who are meant to be “attractive spy archetype”, it doesn’t make sense to not try to make them more attractive. ”sexually appealing “ and “sexualized” don’t really mean the same thing
12:48 - I'm noticing something very clear and distinct with the Black Widow comparisons. The Marvel Rivals Black Widow costume uses lines that curve outwards, inwards and outwards again to accentuate her womanly shape. The lines are wide at the chest, narrow at the waist and open up again at the thighs. The Marvel Avengers Black Widow costume has a lot of vertical lines doing the exact opposite. It reduces focus on the shapeliness of her body making her breasts and thighs seem smaller than they actually are. It also makes the size of her waist more uniform with her thighs and chest giving her a more overall androgynous appearance.
Just look at any sxuperhero drawing tutorial from any of the bigger Marvel/DC artists, all of them will tell you that women are meant to be drawn with rounded shapes and lines while men are supposed to use sharp angles and straight lines. Women's bodies are exaggerated hourglasses, mens are exaggerated triangles.
we're not even gonna mention fucked up body propotions of Marvel Avengers models having the spines/torsos longer than they should be and the legs being weirdly shrinked
Crazy how a mobile game company did all this. This is an example of what happens when you put love and compassion into your craft instead of just making a cash-grab.
Why would they do that and still make them worse? It's not like this was a direct adaptation of the MCU. None of the characters looked like their movie counterparts. Even when it was released everyone was dunking on this game's characters, and now that Marvel Rivals is here to compare it to, it's even worse in retrospect.@@sup3rAVATARtlafAN
Proportions don't have to be ridiculous, just have to look like people in athletic shape. They just look like people who goes to the gym maybe a couple of times a week.
Not much to talk about, in the east women are always portrayed as feminine and attractive. Because over there activist aren't in charge of these things, not here however.
This would be a good comment if the of character designs and style was developed by eastern devs. Instead it was made by Hicham Habichi a western concept artist.
@@nickinim3711And it was eastern devs who approved his designs and added them into the game. Western devs wouldnt do that in 95% of situations. So yeah, the original comment is still good.
@Fugula approving a design =/= creating the concept. Simple fact is the designs were designed by a western artist. Who was following a similar design to the marvels comics actual art style, inspired by Stan Lee. The avengers games was more so mimicking the abysmal redesigns for the MCU. And besides, isn’t it consulting companies that ruin game designs, remember? SBI is more to blame than the developers when SBI extorts money from developers KEKL
To those who argue art style. Two points; one, they didn't need to choose a realistic art-style so it is fair to mock them and two, as pointed out in this video, you could still make them look strong or make their armour look better. Batman Arkham series was realistic but looked badass because his suit actually looked like a high quality suit.
@@cooliostarstache5474but the real “girl gamers” where healing me on Overwatch 8 years ago instead of posting on Reddit and complaining about things Tbh, I feel like only 30% of people in any given subreddit actually care about the thing they’re whining about
@@AtlasRathbane4346 I mean God of War Thor is accurate to Norse mythology. Not necessarily needing to be fat, just power lifter build with a belly. Honestly the actor for The Mountain from Game of Thrones is probably a great example of the build mythology Thor has as that is how he's described in pretty much all historical sources The issue here is that Marvel's Thor is not Norse mythology Thor. Are his powers inspired? sure. But a blonde haired body builder is what Marvel Thor has always been, so people wanting the ginger power lifter build for Thor in Marvel content is silly because Marvel's Thor isn't trying to be mythologically accurate
The most trouble of Chinese developers was monetization, but in last games like Wukong and Marvel rivals they understand that how do monetisation in game, we live in good timeline
The most stressing me out is bucky design, bro like winter soldier base design is so simple yet so chad, but they fumble it anyway, i mean how tf can u messed up a character who wears like secret agent suit, metal arm and a scary face
Attitude, poses, facial expressions, and shading are incredibly important, yet the Avengers game version has none of these. They look so bored and unmotivated.
One of the things that convinced me these devs care is that they asked in 2 of the 3 surveys I got how accurately I believe they respected the IP of each character. And then in another, went into which characters stood out to me, how accurately they play to the character and how good it feels to play them.
I just recently realized that we've actually never had ANY game where it felt this good to play as Iron Man, or Thor, or Cap. That's actually embarrassing for Marvel, how did we even get to this point? The only characters that ever felt as good to play as they do in Rivals or better are Spidey, Venom, Wolverine and Hulk, and the last two were a loooong fucking time ago. So much wasted potential, so much unearned money...
If you notice, Eastern Decs do this... Hell in the gacha games I play we have surveys every event... The questions are asking what we players are interested at outside the games, what made us like about the game, and what else needs improving...
We want super heroes.....SUPER heroes. Just like the comics. We don't want them to look realistic because they are not. These giant AAA studios in the West are hiring so called expert's that come in and say you need to achieve a high critic score and make money. You need to produce something that appeals to everyone. You have to have a strong female lead, a person of mixed races, someone who is plus size, someone who is gay/bi. No we don't care....... We want our super heroes with fun and engaging game play, simple yet effective.
@@MegaCityGhost The devs for the next Tomb Raider are still Crystal Dynamics and Eidos so even Embracer is evolved I am not too sure if they will give all the freedom to Crystal.
@@SB-zm4fq I think they will. The other question is, will they take it? And another question still is, how much time and money will they get? But I'm not getting my hopes up either way, I'm fully prepared that the game will get cancelled, the studio disbanded and Embracer will just milk the IP for the endless ports and remasters just like they do with everything else.
Rivals is comic accurate. Avengers is off brand movie accurate. Wasn't the worst thing from Avengers, but still is telling that they couldn't get the likenesses from the movie actors even though Square Enix was publishing the game.
Yeah, most of the avengers ones are mostly fine but have a singular small dissonant element that causes an uncanny valley effect and turns it crap, like the tiny shoulders. Some are however completely horrible, like Dinnerplate man.
@@remtmyThe proportions are costumes aren’t comic accurate, but they’re stylized heavily to represent their comic book counterparts. You can immediately recognize the character at a glance, vs the atrocious generic looking Marvel Avengers counterparts from SE. Pick up a comic book.
The Avengers game was such a waste. It actually could have been halfway decent if not for the absolutely HORRENDOUS endgame content and live-service bullshit.
If you make all the Rivals characters into a silhouette, they can still be easily identified based on their body figures. Square Enix's Avengers on the other hand...
One of the problems with the avengers game models is, they were trying to capitalize on the popularity of the MCU, but they didn't have the rights to those actor's likeness, so they really are just Temu RDJ and Chris Hemsworth.
lets hope this is a wake up call for western studios. there NO modern audience. let those fools make their own IPs. we want cool stuff like marvel rivals!!!
As long as triple A studios keep receiving investments for incorporating woke garbage they’re never going to change. In a lot of cases the investment allows them to still profit even if the game does poorly.
@@Zvezda31 Marvel Rivals has DEI btw. It is not forced and well done, so no one cares. But your comment makes no sense, because you probably don't even know what you are talking about
@@Gunther69420 where's the DEI. Just because it has black characters and women doesn't make the game DEI. People don't consider this DEI. DEI is when the company unnessarily race bend and gender bend established characters.
Proof that looks matter for both male and female characters. It's not 'objectification', it's just good for immersion. People like looking at pretty people/things, that's just how it is. Also it shows the hypocrisy, look at those MR dudes, they are hot and jacked as hell, just like the women are in that game. Don't tell me it's just the women that are being overly s*xualized!
for the people saying art direction and art style, can't get more realistic than mcu and they looked cool and good until Infinity War, you can't defend that crap in the same universe where the mcu exists
I’m I the only one who is confused on why they made her thick ? Not complaining and not saying that she doesn’t look attractive Unless we are talking about her original first design where she looks like a serial killer But why is she thick ? I don’t remember her being that thick in comics Like Wolverine actually looks close to what he mostly looks like in the comics But AGAIN why is she thick ?
What??? People want to play as attractive and cool looking characters in video games! That’s crazy! The whole point of superheroes is to inspire people to become their best selves possible, of course they should be the peak of human physique, if not even more so.
They can still improve that Captain America model. I want Rob Leidfeld art complete with screwed up feet and and inflated turkey chest. I won't settle for less.
Captain America probably has the worst design in Rivals, they should’ve kept it simpler, especially with the dumb tabs around the shield. Iron Man is a close second with the weird abdomen and mask.
I think you hit the issue here. Even stances were similar. They used the same wireframe model and slapped different skins on top for every character except maybe hulk. I have to wonder though how much Rivals benefits leaving the X Box one and PS4 behind. That requirement for early next gen limited so much potential.
I been saying this 1:40 for so many people crying about job losses, they never seem to include “we didn’t make what the fans or community wanted he tried to tell them what they want”
It was pretty obvious to me that they will drop hero packs each season because we're talking about marvel universe, that have dozens of famous heroes and villains
I hope they keep up that rhythm in the future. It might be difficult considering dev time, and overall balance of the game, but still. There are SO many characters I wish to see in this game.
7:10 for those those that arnt comic nerds wondering why his face is exposed this is superior iron man which is iron man but turned kinda into a d..k like im talking curing daredevil’s blindness… for only a few hours His face is exposed as he didn't want to hide his “pretty face” and there is an invisible barrier protecting him like he take a gunshot to the face and it does nothing
8:25 commenter is a confirmed dikeater, the game was so bad the team who made the game wrote out how sorry they were that the game was bad and it wasn’t where they wanted it to be, so they made everything free and shutdown the servers.
My wife is chinese and took a look at some of these and said "if you tell Chinese people to create a superhero they're all going to be hot... because you can make them however you want so why wouldn't you want them to be hot?"
You're wife is right. This should just be common sense lol
Smart wife
nooooooo😢😢😢 we demand Captain Castration 😢😢😢
tell them to make interesting design
shesRight
"Invisible Woman is too pretty its unrealistic". Nobody talks about Mr. Fantastic have perfect physique and he's suppose to be a rubber nerd. Im all for it.
Reed looks like the retired Metro Man with his mighty beard and hair. Peak male design.
Bro is Omni-Man
Sue Storm is one of the hotter women in marvel universe, Iron man, Dr.Doom and Namor said it, canon fact 😅
“Unrealistic”, but Jessica Alba literally exist 😂
interesting how you are talking about reed with punisher and venon running like a freaking bodybuilder
>superhero
>their look is unrealistic
THAT is the unrealistic part you see???????
People shooting laser and literally fly is fine but having absolutely ripped body and good looking face is too much for them
They just had no fun in their sad little life.
Starting to see virtual signalers hating how the game is "sexualizing women". Bruh have they seen all the dudes?! They're jacked as shit but you don't see them bitching about it. Everyone's got cake in this game (looking at you Venom) and gamers LOVE IT.
This game is an example of how games are if they're marketed towards GAMERS and not the "modern audience".
Right?! My dude could crush rocks with those buns! XD
"19 inches of venom"
true, now I need to hit the gym so I look like my guy the punisher
Really funny how they're still using the same arguments as many years ago and are still just as wrong.
Bunch of stupid people who have nothing better to do but hate the amazing work of the marvel rivals devs.
I’m not trying to glorify Chinese devs, but here’s what I’ve noticed so far:
Chinese devs see U.S. dev mistakes and fix them.
U.S. devs see U.S. dev mistakes and protest on Twitter/X.
Chinese devs (artists, writers, programmers) are trying to appeal to what their audience want. USA devs (and some Europes) trying to virtue signalling and bragging about their politics
China is blowing into the game sphere like usa 15 years ago when they cared about good games and not woke stuff hopefully they don’t become woke later on like us did
And u know what is worse. Some of devs will talk shit to their costumer face cuz their ideology is "fair and better" for the society.
Also talking about Ancestors, ya you have been doing mistakes for more than 2000 years as well....Do better people!
Buddy, most of the development of the game was done by the team in Seattle
LEFT - comic book heroes
RIGHT - tired office worker doing a budget cosplay
Ngl, stylized redesign>>>>>>>Realistic redesign
@@danivic5499 you can definitely make characters that are realistic AND visually apealing though
@@phoneguy8428 Yes and no, all character design have appeal, but some have less to look more realistic, and viceversa, is not a rule, but artists have to choose what to focus, and Marvel Rival focus more in appeal
@@danivic5499 In a world where there is no ESG and progressivism, this would be true. We're just discussing this now because they put this woke nonsense in modern games
@@phoneguy8428they are realistic superheroes, they have unrealistic superpowers but their bodies need to be realistic.
All the dudes are built like a brickhouse. Wolverine looking straight outta Baki. And then we have the one TWINK... Bruce Banner
Wolverine looks disgusting
@@terrafair3248 Nah, I like Wolverine's design.
Now we got The Thing who is a literal brickhouse.
Lol 😂. You completely misused the term “brick house.”
@@wereallthesame3433 opinions CAN'T be right or wrong. That's why theyre called opinions
Notice how they made a diverse cast and everyone’s still attractive and appealing
Yup. One would think that western devs want diversity to be unpopular.
i mean its marvel lol its not like they added made up characters
Reddit is full of people saying how rivals is not appealing to gay people so there will always be someone complaining lol
Black Panther on his tribe costume looks so cool, badass and manly in Rivals. Meanwhile, in Avenger, he looked like generic soy black American addicted to generic hip-hop 😢.
It's isn't even a new cast, It's a pared-down list of characters compared to the whole roster they could be working with if they had a level head on any set of shoulders.
As a woman, I don't mind women characters being sexualize I mean come on. It's a fictional character, and if it looks badass, good, sexy, cute the better! Girls wouldn't even play a character ain't cute and sexy so it's not a suprise. Even for a male character, we would want them to be handsome, cute, masculine sexy, though not most loved jacked male characters but some does! We need appeal, looks matter, clothes matter, art style matters.
100% ! Marvel Rivals has been super refreshing to play for me since everyone looks amazing and their kits are generally fun to play with :)
w opinion.
Exactly it’s all about appeal. But devs forget that. I even do that for ocs
BASED opinion
The funny thing is, I found a whole ahh walking tree more attractive than any of the Avenger designs. Yes, The Goot solo the whole cast, he’s not even human or handsome :::)))
It is not just the design but the posture and pose. The Rivals characters all take stylish poses and postures that suit their character. The female poses accentuates the curvature of their hips, feminine figure, legs and chest. The males similarly have chest puffed out and their demeanour is that of the heroic archetype ready to take on the world. By comparison the Avengers heroes have weak, crestfallen, low energy postures that screams, "I don't want to be here."
It's the pose, the build, the equipment, the lighting, everything is better. This is not even close
Okay, the "I don't want to be here" observation slew me. I know it wasn't supposed to be funny BUT IT WAS TOO TRUE. Especially since the game made the mistake of trying to look as close to the movies as possible but without actor likenesses, causing everyone to look like dollar store stand-ins for the real actors. It just enhances the "I don't wanna be here" energy or lack thereof.
"ughhh another day at the office."
@@overlordsmashalot3891 yea but its clear they rebuild the actors to appeal the people who watched the movies
Bruh the I don’t wanna be here should be Marvels avengers slogan, neither we as player nor the characters wanna be here playing that boring ass game
- How many mods did you see?
- Fourteen million six hundred and five.
- How many improved our FPS?
- One.
Well that one is all we need
Omg dude you learned how to copy and paste comments from other people! What an achievement! I’d put that on my grave, for real!
@@J.R.Swish1 hey copying and pasting got em lots of internet up doots which made em feel like they did something successful with their lives
tf?
@@J.R.Swish1it's doctor strange reference of how many outcomes you see vs how many we win like in the movie, so a lot of comments with the reference will look the same
I love the irony in how the womens’ bodies in this game is actually the LEAST unrealistic out of all of them.
the men’s bodies in this game are literal biological fiction or only achievable with the top 0.0001% genetics supplemented by PEDs and a life dedicated to bodybuilding🤣
Yeah the dudes all look like my action figures when I was a kid, I’ve actually met women who look like the fem heroes lol
lol true. all the male bodies that look good are basically taking steroids. but you know what. arnold and silvester stalone did and no one cared.
They’re all brick houses and castles, the kind that I would trust to save me.
Yeah, now I should include 4 hours back and arms workout in my day
I enjoy skimpy costumes, but I love how Marvel Rivals is showing developers that curves are what matters. The character can be fully clothed, just show the figure and body-shape.
It’s also showing that attractive characters don’t only have to be slim.
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Doubt thats going to quell the rage of the hungry hungry hippos
Isnt this what they looked like before wokeness took over?
If Black Widow had a Pool Party Bikini skin, I would not get it. Any woman can show off skin. Not every woman can be a femme fatale.
Yep. Think Mercy from Overwatch.
Having a hero with drip worth gooning to fucking matters.
Im so sorry that all of you are rediscovering fire.
For too long were people afraid of saying it out loud.
Yeah people forgot games from early 90s to early 2000s all female characters are attractive.
This is a certified real gamer comment.
I remember in the 2010s the Tumblr people were going around complaining that superheroes are too unrealistic and need to be more realistic aka costume and body type, then the geek media pick up and it and started repeating it everywhere. Then we started to see costume changes to be "easier to cosplay" which tend to be way more boring. As well as the more boring bodyshapes for the female characters.
Im a bleach fan , i know all about drip son ;)
Actually, in the case of Spider-Man Rivals STILL does a better job. You know why? They are understanding the character. Let’s face it, even the best Spider-Man suits look goofy when shown standing straight and upfront. Which is why you almost NEVER see that character doing that. He’s always depicted either in motion, or some crazy, acrobatic pose or a badass, gymnastics crouch. And the Chinese game OBVIOUSLY gets it when the American game does not. Captain America and Thor are depicted standing straight and proud, showcasing their strength and stature, while Spider-Man is shown hanging upside-down, showing off his unique qualities - insane agility and balance.
What I’m trying to say here is that it goes beyond even the model design itself, it’s about fundamental understanding the characters and presenting them at their best.
right hawkeye looks like a guy who gets cheated on
left hawkeye looks like a guy who murdered your entire village, clapped your girl, blew up a city, kidnapped the president and said "it's just business" after all of it.
Isn't that basically the punisher
Fr, he looks badass
Right Baldguy looks like your generic protagonist from every PS3 game ever
@@justarandombluebird8222 Well, Clint did have that rough time as Ronin tough
"The one on the left is the gay representation we all deserve. The one on the right is just gay."
-Alteori, probably
"It's realistic" is a non-argument. Scarlet Johansson is a real woman who looked like a fucking knock out in the Black Widow costume. Her realistic video game counterpart shouldn't look WORSE. Her Avengers character looks like a dude, even down to the posture, where as the Rivals version has that hip pop sassiness, and femininity.
yea they made fun she look like Villain from Shrek
Wouldn't go so far as to say she looks like a dude in the game, but she's certainly less attractive than Scarlet. Wouldn't say the posture is masculine either, it's just neutral and thus boring.
Every time someone mentions 'realistic,' it always reminds me of Gabe Newell's quote that realism doesn't mean fun.
don't you mean "its UNrealistic" is the non argument?
correct "it's realistic" is a non-argument. The games having two completely different art styles and directions, however, is...
"Iron Deficient Man" LMAO I can't breathe
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Pigeon Eye LMAO
imagine developing a videogame and limiting your creativity by being forced to follow boring realistic standards when you could just create ANYTHIGN you want
Not even realistic standards, actively uglifying characters. Look at the star wars outlaws main character for example.
Even in realism you can have buff characters. Those ones in Avengers don't even look real, they look disproportioned on purpose.
Do you remember when people lost their shit over the charecter in some Korean game for being "impossoble" and it was directly designed on a real Korean model.
It's their choice of art direction.
The industry has pushed for realistic graphics for forever now. Plus realism is closer to MCU, which most people know
Realistic stuff can look great though, it just depends on the costume designers. For example, look at the 90s Captain America costume and Cap's costume from the first Avengers movie vs Captain America's costumes in the other MCU movies.
27:00 as a black guy I can confirm. Black Panther in Rivals makes me feel cool being the black guy.
There it is 🤌
hi im curios abt how blacks view the Black Panther?
Is the title cultural nihilism on the real Black Panther in history?
When black kids hear "Black Panther" whats the first thing that come to their minds?
@ you’re weird. He’s just a cool black character same as Blade Spawn Static Shock Luke Cage, etc.
@@skipclassfordota3361 lmao. I dont think is THAT deep. People like to hype characters that looks like them, is nothing weird or deep with that, we have been doing it all our human history, and black people too, they like to see people that looks like them. And im not black btw. Southamerican but lookin' white as paper.
@@skipclassfordota3361 who you going to ask about pink panther than?
Women seeing women in video games with unrealistic proportions: “That’s imposing an unrealistic standard on women!”
Men seeing men in video games with unrealistic proportions: “I must begin training.”
I still don't understand why this gets posted so many times. It is neither funny nor true
True asf
No, they’re just a party blooper.
This single character has more fans than the entirety of Concord
Don’t let the Concord devs see this..they’ll call us “talentless freaks”
Turtle Chad the goat 🐐
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What is Concord?
i mean... it is marvel, my friends
comparing this to garbage like concord is a humiliation
from a game dev point of view you can tell the marvel game they basically wanted the majority of the characters to use the same base mesh and skeleton so that's why they all have the same poses and body type where as marval rivals everything is unique and the artists probably just did whatever they wanted
Its the difference between adapting comic book/cartoon characters, and a more realistic style in line with the movies
They're fundamentally different design problems to solve. In Rivals each hero needs to be instantly identifiable from their silhouette alone so it's actually required for them all to be unique, as is standard for hero shooters. Even if they have similar body proportions they need to have a unique stance, like how Iron Man is always flying with that unique pose, and Spider-Man is never just standing up. It doesn't excuse it, but that's why the other game used the same base models and animations.
The artists couldn't do whatever they want, if anything they were even more restricted.
but then the squirrel girl is fat
@@guyfromdubai Yeah, and it seems a bunch of people don't understand that. One is based on the comic style and the other is based around the live-action movie adaptations... doesn't mean it's bad, it's just more 'grounded.'
Some times she is other times she isnt it just depends on the artist as with all characters @@hoang2312
Hawkeye vs Hawk Tuah
Black Panther vs Black Panda
Bucky vs Buggy
For all the image comparisons, all you'd have to ask yourself is "who would win in a fight?" In all cases, the picture on the left would wreck the one on the right...
Look at the rival thor forearms man the temu version didn't stand a chance
Heroes fight every fucking day and are in peak human/mutant condition. Meanwhile, the Avengers game they look like people in their 50s cosplaying with Walmart costumes.
the Marvel Rival one is unrealistic, when you adapt it to the Realistic style of Marvel Avenger,
it will look disproportionate and out of place
the clothing and Equipments in Marvel Avenger is okay, it's not that bad, we've seen worse.
it's just they need a slight nudge in proportion, give them a peak human proportion,
but not too big that it become like a cartoon character.
maybe just enough like Batman in Batman Arkham for example
the Biggest Problem was the character face, it's generic as hell
@@jensenraylight8011they shouldn’t just look like humans in peak condition, most of them are mutants, they MUST be big and strong, just look at how they are portrayed in the comics
@@bressqn yes, but comic and reality is not the same
MCU for example, you can't give chris evans or robert downey a cow size muscle
Unless they define Marvel Avengers as a cartoon game from the very beginning
And in the Game, they didn't made the proportion well defined, so that most characters look flat and generic
China is getting back at us for embarrassing them with Kung Fu Panda.
the first few movies were good tho
Kung Fu Panda was actually well received in China
@venomfuryx3250 No, what you misunderstand is that China's arts and culture community was embarrassed that Americans represented China better than anything they've made at that time. People loved KP there and it was one of the jumpstart in their animation industry, it was a motivator to do better and not just make copied products.
@XC11301991 Oh, that's what you meant, oops my bad 😅
We should start comparing their president to Po, guy obviously has an issue with fictional bears.
People are bitching about realistic shit as though these characters aren't from comic books to fucking begin with?? 😂💀
Not to nation there’s a millions of attractive people irl everywhere
Marvel Avengers Iron Man: You
Marvel Rivals Iron Man: The guy she tells you not to worry about
Not even that. Hell, I'm looking more buff than that captain america from avengers, and I'm just your average guy.
And my eyes are less dead.
no you
This joke was stolen bro, shut up
@@chaosXgum You look like you eat corn the long way
One is literally the suit from the movie though. Its Mark 85
Ngl the new design for the fantastic 4 actually slaps hard!
Yeah Futur Foundation is a pretty nice design for the Fantastic Four suits. I guess they went with that.
There costumes were always the worst to barely passable, now they look among the absolute best. The only one who looks alittle off is Torch but it probably looks good in game.
Definitely using them if any of them are tanks. Mr. Fantastic and obviously the Thing are gonna be tanks.
@@SyLuX636 Reeds a duelist along with Jonny, their kits have been leaked. Grim is a tank, Sue’s probably gonna be strategist but I don’t think she can heal unless she’s going to be the one using the robot to proxy heal for her.
@mangasaint if Sue gives everyone Overshield to everyone like Old Simetra from OG OV that could be cool. She could make the entire team invisible has an Ult could be cool. She is definitely gonna be creative for sure.
“One’s stylized, the other is realistic!”
You’re telling me that the Norse god of thunder, and the guy who was given SUPERSOLDIER serum would look “realistic”?
Hawkeye:
Cool weapon master vs dad in his midlife crisis.
It's the one from the movies
@@edwardstark6817 no even the movie Hawkeye looks better than this guy from the avengers game
@@ZayecValentine tbh, Hawkeye in the Rivals thumbnail looks too much
13:53 its funny because the Widow on the left has the body proportions of Scarlett Johansson and looks like Widow from the comics whereas the "Avengers" one is intended to look like Scarlett Johansson but has the body proportions of a loony troon.
You mean looney tunes ?
Hey, Space Jam Babs Bunny begs to differ about the Looney Tune comment.... Lol
@@1_underthesun not looney tune. Looney troon.
Whats even more funny, is that Im not sure if most people remember. But they also did a redesign of Widows face in the Avengers as well.
It was initally more akin to Lord Farquad, before it looks like what it is now.
@skylinegtr655 i remember hearing about something like that. But if I saw the pic I forgot it.
EDIT: just looked it up and WEW LAD that was gaaarbage
It has never changed, Asian game devs ALWAYS create attractive characters ever since gaming is still a niche hobby.
It's just that Western game devs have become worse over the years that Asian games are getting more and more attention and recognition.
The worst part not mentioned about the black panther skin is that it’s a SKIN. Something they made thought it looked good enough for people to want to buy. The marketing team should be fired for even allowing this to be passed through
The Druid skin of Black Panther its so fu cking cool.
comparing the avengers skin's it is such a waste in there
its a chinese company that made the game. they dont hold the same values as the west. they dont even think like you do when they make their skins. they arent going to be fired. they arent ever going to be fired
To be fair, they ‘were’ fired lol…..
marvel rivals characters have more "life" and "soul" in them. feels like a passion project. whereas in the avengers game, characters look like they just dont wanna be there. they dont wanna be coded into the game it feels like. they look so tired, monotone, and lethargic, which mimics how the developers are probably feeling when making the game
In marvel rivals they are made to look like theyre from the comic books. Which is the right way.
“Soulless” is likely the word that you are looking for…or maybe “uninspired.” Good characters have character.
That avengers hawkeye wow it's so bad.
The word you’re looking for is DEI but some people still deny it’s a thing.
They're exactly that, uninspired. They're making superheroes that look like regular humans, when that was never meant to be how they look, if you take away their superhuman bodies they just look like dorks cosplaying for a con.
Imagine if greek stonecutters tried to depict Heracles realistically, how many people would remember him?
@acev3521 it's so obvious how it's ruining stuff. It's the ppl who are dei hires working on the product's that are the real problem. Cos it they really push it and make everything worse as aren't good enough to be programming the game etc.
None of those hobos from Marvel Avengers looks like super heroes who fight bad guys day after day to save the world. They look like they are their way to New York Comicon.
The avengers game looks like they ripped Skyrim body models, copy pasted it and slapped on a hero costume from wish on each one.
Now I want someone to dub Skyrim voice lines over all the Avengers. 😂
Tbh, some Skyrim models look more impressive...
@IvanZaguzin-b2b skyrim [mod] models are the best in gaming. period.
(source: currently running just shy of 700 mods in current playthru)
Ah, you're finally awake.
Skyrim's base models have waaay more character than modern triple A games.
The people saying "realism so its fine" as a deflection are weird since if you look at all the male body models they're probably all just a modified base body they used to save time 3d modeling.
What MR is doing right is making over the top stylized comic versions and they're just as detailed as the "realistic" comparison with more detail depth. They're designs that will be remembered and remain iconic.
Realism as an argument in the Avengers case is hilarious as well considering a common criticism of the designs back when it released was that they looked off BECAUSE they were basically shitty uncanny versions of the MCU actors. Bucky and Hawkeye in particular are some of the worst offenders in particular with Bucky looking like Tommy Wiseau and Hawkeye looking like a random biker/jogger.
Marvel avengers has one character model and they just change the face.
Yup, they are generic, Idc about the sexualization, but game feels a little generic in some character designs
your talking to a bot bro@@palodani58
@@palodani58thing is, when you have characters who are meant to be “attractive spy archetype”, it doesn’t make sense to not try to make them more attractive. ”sexually appealing “ and “sexualized” don’t really mean the same thing
name two that look like they share the same character model
@@valerioversace9604 its not that, generic means they feel souless (at least for me)
12:48 - I'm noticing something very clear and distinct with the Black Widow comparisons.
The Marvel Rivals Black Widow costume uses lines that curve outwards, inwards and outwards again to accentuate her womanly shape. The lines are wide at the chest, narrow at the waist and open up again at the thighs.
The Marvel Avengers Black Widow costume has a lot of vertical lines doing the exact opposite. It reduces focus on the shapeliness of her body making her breasts and thighs seem smaller than they actually are. It also makes the size of her waist more uniform with her thighs and chest giving her a more overall androgynous appearance.
Yea noticed that too. Its so obvious with the lack of lines and colours to highlight her shape. The hawkeye one was so bad wtf lmao.
Also it's not as skintight. That's the bigger thing I think.
Just look at any sxuperhero drawing tutorial from any of the bigger Marvel/DC artists, all of them will tell you that women are meant to be drawn with rounded shapes and lines while men are supposed to use sharp angles and straight lines. Women's bodies are exaggerated hourglasses, mens are exaggerated triangles.
@@harambe4267never realized it and I spend hours watching jim lee draw stuff😂
we're not even gonna mention fucked up body propotions of Marvel Avengers models having the spines/torsos longer than they should be and the legs being weirdly shrinked
Crazy how a mobile game company did all this. This is an example of what happens when you put love and compassion into your craft instead of just making a cash-grab.
we let lame theater kids take over the tech sector that’s why
FALSE. Those are the people who were bullied by the theater kids.
more like hippo twitter DEI activist
The issue is that they look like normal people, not comic book superheroes. The proportions are supposed to be ridiculous!
the Avengers game was basing them mainly off the MCU actors though, what can you do about that?
The question you should ask is: if you were a kid which one would you rather have an action figure of?
Nier Automata has showed me that you can have normal looking people and still look absolutely stunning
Why would they do that and still make them worse? It's not like this was a direct adaptation of the MCU. None of the characters looked like their movie counterparts. Even when it was released everyone was dunking on this game's characters, and now that Marvel Rivals is here to compare it to, it's even worse in retrospect.@@sup3rAVATARtlafAN
Proportions don't have to be ridiculous, just have to look like people in athletic shape. They just look like people who goes to the gym maybe a couple of times a week.
Rivals character formula:
Men with wide shoulders = V-taper Physique
Women with small hips = Hourglass Figure
you meant big hips
Big ass
Left side is the real heroes, right side is Party City costume cosplays for Halloween.
Even cosplayer in those animecon will have better handmade outfit than avenger
Right side is the goat
More like the Guy wearing Hockey Pads.
Not much to talk about, in the east women are always portrayed as feminine and attractive. Because over there activist aren't in charge of these things, not here however.
This would be a good comment if the of character designs and style was developed by eastern devs. Instead it was made by Hicham Habichi a western concept artist.
@@nickinim3711And it was eastern devs who approved his designs and added them into the game. Western devs wouldnt do that in 95% of situations. So yeah, the original comment is still good.
@@nickinim3711Who do you think approved it, Einstein?
@@CrucibleGuy and it was a western company that approved all of it so comment is wrong
@Fugula approving a design =/= creating the concept. Simple fact is the designs were designed by a western artist. Who was following a similar design to the marvels comics actual art style, inspired by Stan Lee. The avengers games was more so mimicking the abysmal redesigns for the MCU. And besides, isn’t it consulting companies that ruin game designs, remember? SBI is more to blame than the developers when SBI extorts money from developers KEKL
Winter Soldier in Marvel Avengers looks like a tall Lord Farquaad
Stylized semi realistic comic book proportions ALWAYS goes harder than woke realism, obviously.
Hawkeye looks like Justin Timberlake's DUI mugshot.
its just Concordification of Marvel Rivals, they failed to concordificate it.
21:21 that's not black panther that's his cousin dark jaguar 😂
Don't u dare disrespect a Jaguar like that.
that comparison was Winter-soldier vs Part time-soldier
Summer Soldier
that not soldier, that Tommy cosplay for Halloween
To those who argue art style. Two points; one, they didn't need to choose a realistic art-style so it is fair to mock them and two, as pointed out in this video, you could still make them look strong or make their armour look better. Batman Arkham series was realistic but looked badass because his suit actually looked like a high quality suit.
0:30 funny how everyone is mad and all at marvel rivals but also not mad at fortnite and overwatch for the doing the same
r/GirlGamers also hates Overwatch, actually
Amd overwatch is old. Predating the "modern audience"
Tbh marvel women has always been a lil attractive I mean look at lady death I almost spit on myself when I seen her
@@cooliostarstache5474but the real “girl gamers” where healing me on Overwatch 8 years ago instead of posting on Reddit and complaining about things
Tbh, I feel like only 30% of people in any given subreddit actually care about the thing they’re whining about
Nobody is mad frl only a selection of people but you are 💯 right
9:30 on the Left, Thor the God of Thunder and on the right, we have Thor, the god of static shock with his trusty ball-peen hammer
Right is sparkles
They always want him to be fat these days as well😂😂
@@AtlasRathbane4346 I mean God of War Thor is accurate to Norse mythology. Not necessarily needing to be fat, just power lifter build with a belly. Honestly the actor for The Mountain from Game of Thrones is probably a great example of the build mythology Thor has as that is how he's described in pretty much all historical sources
The issue here is that Marvel's Thor is not Norse mythology Thor. Are his powers inspired? sure. But a blonde haired body builder is what Marvel Thor has always been, so people wanting the ginger power lifter build for Thor in Marvel content is silly because Marvel's Thor isn't trying to be mythologically accurate
The most trouble of Chinese developers was monetization, but in last games like Wukong and Marvel rivals they understand that how do monetisation in game, we live in good timeline
"I can only identify with a shapeless blob!" 😭😭
makes sense for 40% of americans tho
The most stressing me out is bucky design, bro like winter soldier base design is so simple yet so chad, but they fumble it anyway, i mean how tf can u messed up a character who wears like secret agent suit, metal arm and a scary face
They even make bucky face looks like my local sushi store's chef like tf
It's like they literally ran the "lamest design possible" contest. Idk how else to explain it XD
Attitude, poses, facial expressions, and shading are incredibly important, yet the Avengers game version has none of these. They look so bored and unmotivated.
Movies did a good job with his character, especially in Winter Soldier
His design is fine, it's him just having a Pistol that's bugging me, man deserved an Arsenal like Frank, at the very least his Skorpion SMG.
To me, Rivals cast proves that you can still have a diverse cast that is still badass and filled with attractive people.
One of the things that convinced me these devs care is that they asked in 2 of the 3 surveys I got how accurately I believe they respected the IP of each character.
And then in another, went into which characters stood out to me, how accurately they play to the character and how good it feels to play them.
I just recently realized that we've actually never had ANY game where it felt this good to play as Iron Man, or Thor, or Cap. That's actually embarrassing for Marvel, how did we even get to this point? The only characters that ever felt as good to play as they do in Rivals or better are Spidey, Venom, Wolverine and Hulk, and the last two were a loooong fucking time ago. So much wasted potential, so much unearned money...
@@MegaCityGhost Yeah those characters feel like they were taken out of single player ps2 games. It feels authentic.
If you notice, Eastern Decs do this... Hell in the gacha games I play we have surveys every event... The questions are asking what we players are interested at outside the games, what made us like about the game, and what else needs improving...
the 50/50 leg torso ratio just makes them less superhero
We want super heroes.....SUPER heroes. Just like the comics. We don't want them to look realistic because they are not. These giant AAA studios in the West are hiring so called expert's that come in and say you need to achieve a high critic score and make money. You need to produce something that appeals to everyone. You have to have a strong female lead, a person of mixed races, someone who is plus size, someone who is gay/bi. No we don't care....... We want our super heroes with fun and engaging game play, simple yet effective.
The characters of Marvel Avengers look like a bunch of generic cosplayers in the street.
There's a lot of cosplayer that looks way better than those crappy characters
If you look closely you can tell that every character of Marvel Avangers has the same base. They just copy pasted and changed the attachments.
@@exohunter1902They could have used a base with more heroic build and pose not a base of a random depress guy slouching and has given up on life.
@@kazedcat😂
Think about it this way, why does a live service game where the whole business model is to sell cosmetics doesn't want attractive characters
Among many other problems like the most boring endgame ever conceived.
Gotta defeat the male gaze
This is honestly the first time I've seen Mr. Fantastic so jacked up, and I'm all for it.
Marvel Avengers was made by Crystal Dynamics and Eidos. Do you guys know what that means? Next Tomb Raider Lara Croft game is so cooked.
They last tomb raider was already cooked
@@KeijiMaeda86 you are right, there is no big hopes for that franchise unless they take the IP away from Crystal.
In case you're not aware, the studio was sold to Embracer along with the IP. So yeah... that's kinda the good and the bad news at the same time lol
@@MegaCityGhost The devs for the next Tomb Raider are still Crystal Dynamics and Eidos so even Embracer is evolved I am not too sure if they will give all the freedom to Crystal.
@@SB-zm4fq I think they will. The other question is, will they take it? And another question still is, how much time and money will they get? But I'm not getting my hopes up either way, I'm fully prepared that the game will get cancelled, the studio disbanded and Embracer will just milk the IP for the endless ports and remasters just like they do with everything else.
15:09 Bro this is not Hawkeye this is Hawk Tuah
Plz pin this comment
I'm thinking Western devs should stop making games for the next 10 years. They embarrassing themselves to much
Rivals is comic accurate. Avengers is off brand movie accurate.
Wasn't the worst thing from Avengers, but still is telling that they couldn't get the likenesses from the movie actors even though Square Enix was publishing the game.
What is also interesting is...if you can't get the likenesses...you may as well do a Closish face, then go for full style
Yeah, most of the avengers ones are mostly fine but have a singular small dissonant element that causes an uncanny valley effect and turns it crap, like the tiny shoulders. Some are however completely horrible, like Dinnerplate man.
Dont lie to yourself, Marvel Rivals isn't comic accurate, it's just embellished to look more eye pleasing.
@@remtmyThe proportions are costumes aren’t comic accurate, but they’re stylized heavily to represent their comic book counterparts. You can immediately recognize the character at a glance, vs the atrocious generic looking Marvel Avengers counterparts from SE. Pick up a comic book.
The Avengers game was such a waste. It actually could have been halfway decent if not for the absolutely HORRENDOUS endgame content and live-service bullshit.
If you make all the Rivals characters into a silhouette, they can still be easily identified based on their body figures. Square Enix's Avengers on the other hand...
Honestly, if you really cared about realism, you wouldn't be creating a superhero in the first place.
One of the problems with the avengers game models is, they were trying to capitalize on the popularity of the MCU, but they didn't have the rights to those actor's likeness, so they really are just Temu RDJ and Chris Hemsworth.
lets hope this is a wake up call for western studios. there NO modern audience. let those fools make their own IPs. we want cool stuff like marvel rivals!!!
As long as triple A studios keep receiving investments for incorporating woke garbage they’re never going to change. In a lot of cases the investment allows them to still profit even if the game does poorly.
Nah they gonna use this as an excuse to add in more DEI nonsense
@@Zvezda31 Marvel Rivals has DEI btw. It is not forced and well done, so no one cares. But your comment makes no sense, because you probably don't even know what you are talking about
@@Gunther69420 where's the DEI. Just because it has black characters and women doesn't make the game DEI. People don't consider this DEI. DEI is when the company unnessarily race bend and gender bend established characters.
Proof that looks matter for both male and female characters. It's not 'objectification', it's just good for immersion. People like looking at pretty people/things, that's just how it is. Also it shows the hypocrisy, look at those MR dudes, they are hot and jacked as hell, just like the women are in that game. Don't tell me it's just the women that are being overly s*xualized!
Dr Doom would go really hard ngl
They will add him just before the next Avengers movie hits theaters.
He is confirmed
Yeah I can’t wait
Black Panther on the right looks like they took a random Wakandan off the street
Black Housecat vs Black Panther
One meows and the other roars.
for the people saying art direction and art style, can't get more realistic than mcu and they looked cool and good until Infinity War, you can't defend that crap in the same universe where the mcu exists
They put the super in super hero into Squirrel girls tighys
😋
Its Mei from overwatch all over again
It looks like you typed this with one hand.
@@KingKRool91🧐
I’m I the only one who is confused on why they made her thick ?
Not complaining and not saying that she doesn’t look attractive
Unless we are talking about her original first design where she looks like a serial killer
But why is she thick ?
I don’t remember her being that thick in comics
Like Wolverine actually looks close to what he mostly looks like in the comics
But AGAIN why is she thick ?
That Ironman looks like a nerdier C3PO
Or Doctor Who's Cyberman.
What??? People want to play as attractive and cool looking characters in video games! That’s crazy!
The whole point of superheroes is to inspire people to become their best selves possible, of course they should be the peak of human physique, if not even more so.
The second Hawkeye is just Steve from accounting but he enjoys that job more than being an Avenger
They can still improve that Captain America model. I want Rob Leidfeld art complete with screwed up feet and and inflated turkey chest. I won't settle for less.
And random faces
you have short t-rex arm robot captain america, thats enough Rob Leidfeld design for a game
I need a skin like that and that wolverine orc face too
Captain America probably has the worst design in Rivals, they should’ve kept it simpler, especially with the dumb tabs around the shield. Iron Man is a close second with the weird abdomen and mask.
@thegodofsoapkekcario1970 Compared to Wolverine Cap and Iron Man look fine. They made Wolverine tall.
ngl Rival's Black Panther made me a fan, he never clicked for me in MCU.
Did they literally only have the budget for a single (1) male model? They all look the same
Even the female characters share the same model 😂
I think you hit the issue here. Even stances were similar. They used the same wireframe model and slapped different skins on top for every character except maybe hulk. I have to wonder though how much Rivals benefits leaving the X Box one and PS4 behind. That requirement for early next gen limited so much potential.
@@radar9790imagine strange portal on a Xbox one or ps4
Luna Snow
Awooga
Chill out
@@qlasalle Nah, Imma heat up
And Psylocke 😏
I hope they add Mystique to rivals.
Best girl
16:20 "is Japan real? Well I haven't been there." Let's be honest, bro hasn't been outside his house lmao
I been saying this 1:40 for so many people crying about job losses, they never seem to include “we didn’t make what the fans or community wanted he tried to tell them what they want”
Yep it’s all game journalism propaganda. No one mentions that these layoffs are from shit titles released.
26:50 because character designs are now chosen by Cynthia, the 55 years old HR doctorate from comiefornia
Well ... China is a communist country. 😂
I thought libs will be more progressive.
@@Jet-ij9zc they are not communist.
They are woke.
Super heroes vs office workers dressed as super heroes.
There is more of Squirrel Girl to love of course 😂
bushy tail
She's like 15
@@Tob1Kadach1 you'd love it, creep.
American cpt America looks like the captain of a swat team compared to Rivals
more like the captian of household class
Looks like generic Soldier number 3,embarassing if you compare the two
It was pretty obvious to me that they will drop hero packs each season because we're talking about marvel universe, that have dozens of famous heroes and villains
I hope they keep up that rhythm in the future. It might be difficult considering dev time, and overall balance of the game, but still. There are SO many characters I wish to see in this game.
*Hawkeye in Marvel's Avengers looks like a dad who's taking Paintball too seriously*
7:10 for those those that arnt comic nerds wondering why his face is exposed this is superior iron man which is iron man but turned kinda into a d..k like im talking curing daredevil’s blindness… for only a few hours
His face is exposed as he didn't want to hide his “pretty face” and there is an invisible barrier protecting him like he take a gunshot to the face and it does nothing
Stylized>Realism all day every day.
Almost every avenger character looks like they skipped leg day.
Thor on the right looks like he just got out of bed.
"realistic" its a fkin game fk realism
8:25 commenter is a confirmed dikeater, the game was so bad the team who made the game wrote out how sorry they were that the game was bad and it wasn’t where they wanted it to be, so they made everything free and shutdown the servers.