If I build a engine for your Harley, whether it's a performance cross country bagger, or a turbo Dyna, it WILL get one of those filters. There's no discussing this. Great job guys.
I put the filter on about a month ago. I don’t zoom much but it made me smile to know that I may have gained a couple horse and a few pounds. I learn a lot from you guys. Thank you
I purchased the relocation kit and filter last year. Can't say I noticed an improvement on my m8 street glide, but take your word for it. Most important, it's helping keep the degrees down. Looks cool too. Thanks for the great videos and products.
I relocated for ease of service. You will not see 8hp or 10 ft lb from an oil filter change. I change my oil more than regularly, so I’m ok with not getting the same filtering capability of a quality paper/syn material filter. Many test show they flow better, at the expense of micron size removal.
Love the videos. When I drag raced a car years ago I would NEVER run a high volume oil pump just due to the drag it put on a V8 engine. So this does make sense
I run a thicker oil for summer months over 70 degrees, I like to run straight 60 in theses temps. come fall I go back to a thinner oil. This would work great for me. 2 oil changes per year regardless of miles. When it comes to oil everyone has an opinion, mine is that 20-50 is too thin for air cooled engine in hot temps for any style of riding. I ride 2 up on a 2013 tri glide pulling a trailer with gear. 70 MPH AND ABOVE LOADED WITH GEAR MAKES FOR A LOT OF HEAT BUILD UP. Riders wait for miles to change oil. I enjoy my 103 and want it to last, so oil change 2 times a year for me. You guys do a fantastic job of passing on important tips to keep these air-cooled engines running. Thanks
Glad you found a way and oil that works for you and that you like the video! Here is a full video on Oil that we made that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/bNHgNThrqQo/w-d-xo.html Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Hey guys, Love your vidoes. I bought one of these filters to get it in my hands and do my own unprofessional inspection and the only the that bothers me is that there is no anti-drainback valve. Just wonder about any top end nosie when starting up cold because the oil not being held in that part of the engine. What's your findings about the absence of the anti-drainback valve.
I've been running these on all my bikes for the last 280,000 miles. I have not noticed any difference in top end noise during that time. I have had ZERO engine issues in all those miles.
Definitely looking forward to seeing your test on doing this again on an M8 and a twin cooled M8. I installed this on my 17 Ultra Limited. I didn't notice any lower engine temps but at least I have better filtration and you guys stand by these products so it gets my vote.
Very interesting video for sure. I like the idea of the filter, where is the anti drain back valve ?? As the filter is mounted on its side in most cases.
These filters do not need an anti drain back valve. They have a flow rate of almost 7 times more oil than a paper filter, never have experienced a dry start.
Question: What’s the life expectancy of the rubber gasket? I watched the cleaning video, and it looks like something I could use. I think buying a second filter is also a good suggestion.
If you are talking about the Quad O-Ring the oil filter comes with two. It is common to have to change the O- Ring every 6-10 oil changes. Here is a link to the O-Ring replacement on our site - www.dkcustomproducts.com/replacement-o-ring-for-cleanable-oil-filter-dk-ocof-rng.htm Thank you for commenting! MB
We prefer the Permanent Performance Cleanable Oil Filters. They have absolute micron ratings rather than nominal, they put less of a load on the oil pump, so more power to the rear tire, and they are much more economical in the long run. More details on them at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/high-performance-oil-filters-kn-filters-c160-320.htm
Any chance that the 2012 which showed the big gain had an aftermarket high volume pump installed? The M8 dyno runs look too close to discount measurement error from the dyno but future data will be interesting.
The 2012 Twin Cam has the stock oil pump, cams, etc. We have found that TC's respond better to some mods (like this filter) than M8's. And, conversely, M8's respond better to some mods (like a cam) than the TC's.
Did filter relocation in my 01 a long time ago , bought this filter some time ago and finally installed it last year and I can't say any hp gain? But I will say it did quite down the motor.
Thanks for watching, and for sharing. Glad your engine is running quieter. That would seem to indicate that the oil is not so hot, AND it is flowing better. We appreciate your business, & are glad you're enjoying it.
Efficiency is the single most important aspect of filter and engine longevity. I have allot of experience with filtration. Things that impact is media type . The absolute micron rating and over all efficiency. Single pass efficiency is critical. Micron = red blood cell is 8 micron , diameter of a human hair is roughly 70 micron. Oil pump Hp draw is simple formula GPM x Pressure / 1714 (overall efficiency) . Give me filtration over fractional Hp every single time. Stainless is a rock catcher not a filter. Sorry not trying to be jerk but I have done allot of training in filters and application.
Thanks for your comment. You do not address bypass. We're talking about Harley-Davidsons, not oil filter function on any other engine. How much filtration is happening during bypass, and how often does the bypass open on a typical Harley (Sporty Evo, TC & M8)?
That’s a good reasonable question the correct oil in the correct temperature range addresses bypass. Yes they may by pass but it’s a matter of “scrubbing” the oil and the size and number of particles makes the difference. Oil swamp,es for example are snap shot of the condition of the oil taken from that particular spot at that time. One must be very careful not contaminate the same,e with debris at the collection point and airborne particles. So oil samples are essentially not so accurate. With our discussion let’s talk about how we could quantify your and my differences. One would need to put a particle counter (analyzer) it would take continuous analyzing the oil for number and size of the particulate matter before and after the filter. This would give you truly accurate assessment of both styles of filters. This is more of movie of the oils contamination levels not snapshot like a sample. But even with some bypass which nobody seems to really know how dynamic the conditions are to put it into by pass the oil coming into it with constant scrubbing to 20 micron absolute may still win the battle against a filter that is 30 micron nominal. So although we don’t agree some more sophisticated testing as I described would tell which filter is the winner. I made a living with filtration in hydraulic systems so I am not completely ignorant and maintain that unless someone can unequivocally tell how often the bypass is open and what the resultant contamination level part per million and size in microns of those particles this is all opinion. That’s ok I like your products and innovation just not convinced on this cleanable reusable oil filter. Thanks for responding.
I’ve run thousands of dynos.. mostly all Harleys. Never ran did a run after a bike just got a oil filter. Huh. I’ve seen some minor differences with M8’s from ac’s.. pipes don’t matter as much with modern motors .. in fact, I’ve seen torques drop off from a few different t slip-ons. Anyway, this is good stuff. Gives us all something to think about . I think 🤔
Thanks for sharing. We have also seen that exhausts do not make as much a difference on the M8's. Check out this link, with quite a few dyno charts, you can see with a True Performance Air Cleaner that there are some pretty good gains in HP and TQ. 8-12% increase (not talking about the epa compliant air cleaners masquerading as Stage X A/C's) www.dkcustomproducts.com/milwaukee-eight-dyno-charts-other-interesting-info-dk-m8-rpt.htm
I installed a crankcase vent on my trans cover to relieve crankcase pressure(blowby) with one way valve to maintain vacuum, on my 2017 Road King Special, to help mitigate/prevent sumping issues. With that said, will the Outlaw High Performance oil filter help prevent sumping due to the expected higher oil flow rate? Your videos have been a great source of info for me btw.
Glad you are finding the videos useful! Thanks for the kind words. 👍 The vacuum thing is an unproven theory. One day we will take the time to do some testing and publish the results. Regardless, your bike will still run much better with an EBS, see this video- th-cam.com/video/EfDeFZblMck/w-d-xo.html Vented dipsticks and transmission cover vents do NOT take the place of external breather systems. There is still hot, oily, oxygen depleted air being fed into the intake. The folks that sell vented dipsticks and trans cover vents, have it right in their product description that they do not prevent all that crap from going into your intake. Here is a copy and paste from the Trask website- "This will reduce the oil exiting from the head breathers..." Even if there is no trace of oil in the intake, there is still hot, oxygen depleted air going into the combustion chambers, making the engine run hotter, and not as strong because of the lower oxygen content. IF you have an older M8, with the older oil pump and you are concerned about sumping...OR, IF you have a built engine with higher compression, then it may be beneficial to do an EBS And a vented dipstick or trans cover vent. No, there is no reason to believe that the higher flowing performance oil filter will reduce the chance of sumping. However, if you do not have one already, an inexpensive shorty sump plug will reduce the chance of sumping. Here is a link to it- www.dkcustomproducts.com/milwaukee-eight-feuling-sump-plug.htm And here is a video explaining why/how it works- th-cam.com/video/_4wxFjqyTAU/w-d-xo.html
We've consistently seen a 5 F drop in oil temps. The more important reasons to use it are: Better Filtration Less Drag on the oil pump Economical if one rides a lot www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm
I have only used Performance Cleanable Oil filters for well over a decade, but if I was not using those I would use (and have used in the past) the K&N oil filter. The specs on the K&N oil filters can be seen at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/high-performance-oil-filters-kn-filters-c160-271.htm You can see that they do have a bypass (relief) valve, and many other nice features.
Hey DK, was wondering how these filters would work with say upgraded oil pumps like S&S. You mentioned here that the increase flow allows for more power as the engine isn’t working as hard to push the oil through these filters like they do with paper ones, and keeps from hitting the bypass on oem style ones. So with say an upgraded oil pumps, they will he pushing more oil through the engine, would this have any negative affects to say not building enough oil pressure or anything else? Just looking for some insight as to not shoot myself in the foot later on. Thanks!
We have many Customers running this filter with upgraded oil pumps with no issues. The oil will flow and there won't be more than 1 psi difference in them with and S&S or Fueling pump. Thanks for watching, and great question.
Reusable filter design is superior. Only issue is the cleaning process and what you use to clean it. Residue from cleaning solution selected can dilute the new oil .
The filters do Not need to be replaced. That is the beauty of them. They are easy to clean. Yes, they have a bypass, fortunately, unlike OEM filters, it rarely activates, but will if needed. Here is a video showing that process. th-cam.com/video/tWtO8J1xE5E/w-d-xo.html
All other filters have an anti drain valve to maintain the oil filter full. These don't seem to have that feature. Is there any concern at every startup of the engine?
No problems at all in hundreds of millions of miles on Harley's with these type filters. Personally been using them for over 10 years, never had a dry start, or delay in oil pressure light going off on start up.
It will NOT void the warranty, UNLESS it is shown that the filter caused a or the problem. For example, if you have a warranty claim on your MAP sensor in the Throttle body, or a claim on the transmission, or a claim of a valve spring breaking...NONE of those could possibly be a result of an oil filter malfunctioning...an oil filter cannot cause any of those and hundreds of other typical claims. Here is a very important video to watch...the FTC wants folks to report Harley Dealerships that are breaking the law regarding misstating facts about the OEM Warranty - th-cam.com/video/M-QdwkZ3_RQ/w-d-xo.html Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
I'm guessing you mean to send the oil off to be tested after running with a paper filter vs. a reusable one? Also, what do you consider to be a high quality paper filter? Thanks for watching and for your comment. 👍
@@biglog5112 Yes, we like the K&N oil filter also...just not as much as the Permanent Filter. We will do a test between the two next time on the dyno. Don't expect to see much of a difference, but we have been surprised before, so we will see how it turns out.
Yes, this fits and works well on EVO BT's, 1986 and up, except for Does not fit 1986 FXWG, FXSB, FXEF. www.dkcustomproducts.com/replacement-filter-element-for-outlaw-cleanable-oil-filter-dk-ocof-ele.htm
That is incorrect. Harley's 5 micron filter is a nominal 5 micron, allowing particles in excess of 50 microns thru....THEN, when it goes into bypass mode, which it will do when cold or full throttle, NOTHING is being filtered. See details on this subject at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-polished-finish-dk-ocof-crm.htm KP
We ship directly to Australia, so that is one option. The other is that Rollies Speed Shop has recently become a Dealer/Distributor for us in Australia. They do not have good stock yet, but they can get it quickly if you ask.
They work the same. The purpose of the relocation is not to make the oil filter work any better. The purpose of the relocation is to make oil changes easier/less messy, and to get a little extra cooling.
The Permanent oil filter comes with two o-rings. One to use when installing the filter and one to replace it with if it wears out. If both wear out they are cheap to replace and are sold on our website. You can see the Oil Filter at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm You can see the O-Rings at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/replacement-o-ring-for-cleanable-oil-filter-dk-ocof-rng.htm Please feel free to contact us with any questions; Support@DKCustomProducts.com 662-252-8828 Thank You for commenting! MB
So. On an Evo would a good finned, metal, fine micron filter relocated out away from the engine with an oil radiator make a boost in performance and longevity on an already Bulletproof Engine (the Evo).
@@DKCustomProducts Knowing DK Customs can get expensive. I've looking at this mod for a while because I like the look and idea squeezing every bit of performance out of my Roadster.
Yes, possibly, if they were even aware enough to notice it. I would remove it and put one of their filter on if I ever had to take a bike in for warranty work on the engine.
@@PaulG75 Likelihood of needing to take the bike in for warranty work is slim. But if you do, and the bike is a 2017 or newer (that is when HD's warranty went bad) then I would.
Good video. Oil has a tough life and job to do, it needs all the help it can get both ways thru the engine. We should all be concerned about oil circulation. Everyone in racing knows the parasitic drag too much oil pooling in a crankcase can rob power out put. Paper type element filters scare me, case in point the failure rate Fram filters were having. I never liked or ran them, but I did dissect a few and was not very impressed
Haven't seen enough data to convince me yet.with a 160 Hp m8 on the street I use k&n on a race car they don't capture all the particles that a good spin on does lake speed from total seal did a video on it. on a stock bike maybe they work ok.
Dunno what to say. We don't really try and convince anybody of anything. We only put parts on our website that we run on our own bikes. We generally only run parts on our own bikes that we have tested and seen that they work well. We then share the information that we learned so that folks can make an informed decision. There is a lot of information at the following link, but I will list a few facts right here, and then the rest of them can be seen at the link below. These are the reasons we run them on our own bikes. 1. Paper filters are rated nominally. This means they can let some particles as large as 100 microns thru. 2. It also means that they are uneven in their filtering and can get clogged up more easily, creating more drag on the oil pump. 3. Paper filters regularly go into bypass on start-up and high RPM, and when that happens, NO Filtration is occurring. 4. Permanent oil filters are rated an absolute of 35 microns (below the limit of human visibility). and rarely, if ever, going into bypass. 5. They have a magnet that pre-filters the oil. 6. After around 10 oil changes, it is less expensive to use a permanent oil filter than a paper one. www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm Thank you for your comment, and hope you have found the information above, and at the link, useful.
Some feel it, some do not. The dyno shows it on Twin Cams and Sportsters...and, of course, it depends on how old the paper filter is/how clogged up it is. Paper filters use the bypass more than the Permanent Oil Filters do. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
Read the info at the following link. HD filters are rated with a "Nominal Rating", these filters have an "Absolute Rating", so looking at micron ratings and "comparing" them is NOT an apples to apples comparison. www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-polished-finish-dk-ocof-crm.htm
Nice video! I'm really thinking about going this route but HD "brags" about their OEM filters being designed to filter down to 5 microns. How does this permanent filter compare in that respect? Or maybe that's part of the filter media problem that your permanent filter solves? Just thinking about MOCO's warranty stance (which is really annoying!). Thanks!
You can see all the details at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-polished-finish-dk-ocof-crm.htm Here is a small excerpt with the dirty secret of micron ratings...how the micron rating applies to oil filters. The HD OEM filters and aftermarket paper filters are rated on AVERAGES, percentages and multiple passes, so a 10-micron-rated paper filter may be letting particles 100 microns and larger through.
Aftermarket paper filters are rated on AVERAGES, percentages and multiple passes, so a 10-micron-rated paper filter may be letting particles 100 microns and larger through. The Outlaw High Performance Permanent Oil filter is has an absolute micron ratings rather than nominal, they put less of a load on the oil pump, so more power to the rear tire, and they are much more economical in the long run. More details on them at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/high-performance-oil-filters-kn-filters-c160-320.htm
I have to call bullshit on the bypass opening when the engine is cold or high rpm Harley's have low pressure and the bypass wont open unless the filter is completely clogged if your getting any effect at all it's from less restrictive flow.
Thanks for your comment and for watching the video. It is easy to have an opinion and write about it without any proof, data or understanding. If you are interested in understanding, below is an explanation, and a link to the source....and, of course, you can google and find actual information too. " Under ideal conditions, the bypass valve will never open. When it opens, the oil by passes the filter and goes on through to the motor, obviously unfiltered. It is a safety valve. However, in real operation, it opens often. One example is when you start the motor when cold. The oil is thick and does not pass easily through the filtration medium, thus building up to a high pressure drop. So, the bypass valve opens to prevent oil-starvation of the motor. How long it stays open is dependent on how cold the oil is and how long it takes to get near operating temperature. Another example can occur when the motor is fully warmed. At idle, the oil pressure is about 15 to 20 psi, and the pressure drop across the filter is about 1 or 2 psi. You take off towards the redline, and quickly build oil pressure. During that full-throttle acceleration the pressure drop across the filter will exceed the bypass setting, and send unfiltered oil to the motor, until the pressure across the filter has time to equalize. During a drag race, shifting through the gears, the bypass will open several times. A third example, which you should never experience with frequent oil and filter changes, is when a filter becomes clogged." Source: bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/exactly-how-does-a-bypass-valve-work.23682/#post-309756
@@mbsnyderc Then you know what the bypass valve acts on, the differential pressure, the pressure difference between the inlet and outlet sides of the filter. NOT based on " Harley's have low pressure". That has nothing to do with it.
Not sure what you are talking about. This video is about oil filters, not air filters. Or maybe your saying that the difference in using a quality oil filter vs. a OEM is the same as the difference between an OEM air cleaner and a aftermarket air filter element? That may be true. Do you have any data supporting that?
@@DKCustomProducts Yeah that's what I mean about the quality the air filter in a K&N type has a mesh which allows better air flow apposed to a standard paper element with a sponge backing. Same as the mesh in your higher flowing oil filter..K&N air filters will have relatively the same type of minor performance gains and better air fuel efficiency as what your saying with your oil filters..And as you know everything helps..K&N does have the data supporting that on their websites..
I like the concept of this, but who actually makes these filters? I’m seeing three different companies using the exact same description and some pictures calling this filter their own. It’s making it look like this is a Chinese filter that is rebranded and sold by a select number of companies.
The filter element is medical grade, 304 stainless steel micronic filter cloth. The country of origin varies. They all are rated at an absolute 35 microns. There are many companies that make this type of filter. The main differences between them is the housing the filter sits in. For many years we used and sold the K&P version of this filter. We moved away from K&P because we have quite a few Customers that race. For the track everything needs to be safety wired and the K&P does not have a nut at the end with a hole for the safety wire. So we changed to a housing that does have the nut with a hole for the safety wire.
@@DKCustomProducts There a couple companies that seem to have the exact same housing you guys have. Why are these companies all using the exact same photos and descriptions? It makes all of the products look like knock offs. Thank you.
@orficaldari3524 The FLO High-performance Permanent Oil Filter is widely used and sold. I can not speak for other companies as to where they get theirs from, but we get the ones we sell from PC Racing who make these in California.
This is a very nice looking oil filter. But unless and until they can put an actual filter element that will stop small dogs and children better than this one does. Because it literally will only filter to 35 micron I would suggest that you never put one of these on an engine that you want to last very long even one of the worst paper filters will filter out iron dust used for magnaflux out at a rather large rate, where it will flow through this filter without even slowing down.
Dunno what to say. We don't really try and convince anybody of anything. We only put parts on our website that we run on our own bikes. We generally only run parts on our own bikes that we have tested and seen that they work well. We then share the information that we learned so that folks can make an informed decision. There is a lot of information at the following link, but I will list a few facts right here, and then the rest of them can be seen at the link below. These are the reasons we run them on our own bikes. 1. Paper filters are rated nominally. This means they can let some particles as large as 100 microns thru. 2. It also means that they are uneven in their filtering and can get clogged up more easily, creating more drag on the oil pump. 3. Paper filters regularly go into bypass on start-up and high RPM, and when that happens, NO Filtration is occurring. 4. Permanent oil filters are rated an absolute of 35 microns (below the limit of human visibility). and rarely, if ever, going into bypass. 5. They have a magnet that pre-filters the oil. 6. After around 10 oil changes, it is less expensive to use a permanent oil filter than a paper one. www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm Thank you for your comment, and hope you have found the information above, and at the link, useful. 😎MB
No offense fellas but personally I feel that all these performance cleanable filters are fugly...now if I can find one that is nice and smooth...it can have the 13/16" hex on the end but it has to have the clean smooth look to it....as for the oil well if it comes out looking nearly identical to what it does going in then your oil is not doing its job...modern day oils have detergents that are supposed to carry dirt and carbon away from the areas where it inevitably comes into contact with the combustion area...ie piston rings and valve seals/guides...with that being said your oil should be significantly darker than when it went in and I think you guys should dyno oew harley oil both conventional and synthetic and then compare it to whatever you use as well as royal purple...personally after warranty is up I'll be running the royal purple because I can actually feel little perks like better throttle response (especially on older bikes but still noticeable on newer ones as well)...less cough and sputter which I wonder if changing the oem compensater sprocket out to the dark horse man o war compensater sprocket will help with that as well
Yeah, understandable. Different strokes for different folks. The fins on the oil filter give a little more surface area to facilitate cooling. They can also sort of match the fins on the cylinders and heads. I don't know if anyone makes one that has a non-finned housing. Not sure why you mentioned the oil looking the same or suspending impurities. I don't think we talked about that at all. We've thought about doing dyno runs with different oils...that is a huge rabbit hole that I think we would never come out of if we went down it. lol We did do a video on oil, you may find it interesting. Here's the link to it- th-cam.com/video/bNHgNThrqQo/w-d-xo.html
ROFL. Yeah, I've had a few comments about that in videos. We have a septic system and the little bit of oil that comes out of the filter element is small and has had no perceptible negative effect on our system over the last 15 years. Pretty sure that the oils/fats that get washed down the drain cleaning dishes, pots and pans dwarf the amount of oil being washed out of the filter element.
Yeah, if you don't ride much, probably not worth it. If you ride a lot, not only do you save $ on filters (hundreds over a few years), but you also get better performance and the engine lasts longer and runs stronger. But, again, if you don't ride much, none of that matters much.
I bet you are liking the ease of not having to buy an oil filter every oil change, and I hope you are seeing the cooling benefits that the Permanent Oil filter gives. Thank you for commenting and for your business!!! 👍😎👍
If I build a engine for your Harley, whether it's a performance cross country bagger, or a turbo Dyna, it WILL get one of those filters. There's no discussing this. Great job guys.
Thank you, glad you liked the video, and appreciate your comment. 👍
I put the filter on about a month ago. I don’t zoom much but it made me smile to know that I may have gained a couple horse and a few pounds. I learn a lot from you guys. Thank you
Awesome! Glad that you like the videos and find the information helpful. Thank you for your support and for commenting! 👍 MB
I purchased the relocation kit and filter last year. Can't say I noticed an improvement on my m8 street glide, but take your word for it. Most important, it's helping keep the degrees down. Looks cool too.
Thanks for the great videos and products.
Thank you, glad you are liking the videos, and we appreciate your business and it is great to hear you are enjoying the parts. 👍
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@@h3r63rt Thank you for sharing.
I relocated for ease of service. You will not see 8hp or 10 ft lb from an oil filter change. I change my oil more than regularly, so I’m ok with not getting the same filtering capability of a quality paper/syn material filter. Many test show they flow better, at the expense of micron size removal.
Love the videos. When I drag raced a car years ago I would NEVER run a high volume oil pump just due to the drag it put on a V8 engine. So this does make sense
Thanks for sharing. 👍
been using them for years. this product works and does work well. tks. keep em coming.
Great to hear! Appreciate the comment! 👍
I run a thicker oil for summer months over 70 degrees, I like to run straight 60 in theses temps. come fall I go back to a thinner oil. This would work great for me. 2 oil changes per year regardless of miles. When it comes to oil everyone has an opinion, mine is that 20-50 is too thin for air cooled engine in hot temps for any style of riding. I ride 2 up on a 2013 tri glide pulling a trailer with gear. 70 MPH AND ABOVE LOADED WITH GEAR MAKES FOR A LOT OF HEAT BUILD UP. Riders wait for miles to change oil. I enjoy my 103 and want it to last, so oil change 2 times a year for me. You guys do a fantastic job of passing on important tips to keep these air-cooled engines running. Thanks
Glad you found a way and oil that works for you and that you like the video! Here is a full video on Oil that we made that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/video/bNHgNThrqQo/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Bought relocater and filter for 2019 TRI glide.life is much better.keep up the good work.
Thanks for the comment, and we appreciate your business. Glad to hear you are enjoying the parts. 👍
Hey guys, Love your vidoes. I bought one of these filters to get it in my hands and do my own unprofessional inspection and the only the that bothers me is that there is no anti-drainback valve. Just wonder about any top end nosie when starting up cold because the oil not being held in that part of the engine. What's your findings about the absence of the anti-drainback valve.
I've been running these on all my bikes for the last 280,000 miles.
I have not noticed any difference in top end noise during that time.
I have had ZERO engine issues in all those miles.
Definitely looking forward to seeing your test on doing this again on an M8 and a twin cooled M8.
I installed this on my 17 Ultra Limited. I didn't notice any lower engine temps but at least I have better filtration and you guys stand by these products so it gets my vote.
Yes, the primary reason for running these is for better filtration, followed by less drag on the oil pump, and then for a bit of extra cooling. 👍
i am getting one sent , will know soon enough as i have a oil gauge , be interesting to see the pressure on start difference
I believe you will be well pleased with it. 👍
I just installed one of these on my M8 Softail. I did it as part of my 5000mile service.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Appreciate your business and glad you are enjoying. 👍
Very interesting video for sure. I like the idea of the filter, where is the anti drain back valve ?? As the filter is mounted on its side in most cases.
These filters do not need an anti drain back valve. They have a flow rate of almost 7 times more oil than a paper filter, never have experienced a dry start.
Question: What’s the life expectancy of the rubber gasket? I watched the cleaning video, and it looks like something I could use. I think buying a second filter is also a good suggestion.
If you are talking about the Quad O-Ring the oil filter comes with two. It is common to have to change the O- Ring every 6-10 oil changes.
Here is a link to the O-Ring replacement on our site - www.dkcustomproducts.com/replacement-o-ring-for-cleanable-oil-filter-dk-ocof-rng.htm
Thank you for commenting! MB
Yup, I will add this to my Tri Glide. Thanks 😊. Going with the fiber glass running boards which will cover up the filter and brackets...
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Great info! I have a 2012 heritage softail classic 103. She will love this mod 😎
Yep, got one on my 2012 Heritage! I believe you will be well pleased with it. 👍
What about hiflo Filtro oil filters? Kevin Baxter in his oil filter video recommends.
We prefer the Permanent Performance Cleanable Oil Filters. They have absolute micron ratings rather than nominal, they put less of a load on the oil pump, so more power to the rear tire, and they are much more economical in the long run.
More details on them at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/high-performance-oil-filters-kn-filters-c160-320.htm
Any chance that the 2012 which showed the big gain had an aftermarket high volume pump installed? The M8 dyno runs look too close to discount measurement error from the dyno but future data will be interesting.
The 2012 Twin Cam has the stock oil pump, cams, etc.
We have found that TC's respond better to some mods (like this filter) than M8's. And, conversely, M8's respond better to some mods (like a cam) than the TC's.
Thank you, guys! This is something I was looking for!
Good to hear. Thanks for watching. We appreciate your business.
Can you do a video on cam bearing replacement?
That may be something we do in the first half of 2023...there is a bike we are thinking of doing a cam swap on. If we do, we will video it.
Did filter relocation in my 01 a long time ago , bought this filter some time ago and finally installed it last year and I can't say any hp gain? But I will say it did quite down the motor.
Thanks for watching, and for sharing.
Glad your engine is running quieter. That would seem to indicate that the oil is not so hot, AND it is flowing better.
We appreciate your business, & are glad you're enjoying it.
Efficiency is the single most important aspect of filter and engine longevity. I have allot of experience with filtration. Things that impact is media type . The absolute micron rating and over all efficiency. Single pass efficiency is critical. Micron = red blood cell is 8 micron , diameter of a human hair is roughly 70 micron. Oil pump Hp draw is simple formula GPM x Pressure / 1714 (overall efficiency) . Give me filtration over fractional Hp every single time. Stainless is a rock catcher not a filter. Sorry not trying to be jerk but I have done allot of training in filters and application.
Thanks for your comment.
You do not address bypass. We're talking about Harley-Davidsons, not oil filter function on any other engine.
How much filtration is happening during bypass, and how often does the bypass open on a typical Harley (Sporty Evo, TC & M8)?
That’s a good reasonable question the correct oil in the correct temperature range addresses bypass. Yes they may by pass but it’s a matter of “scrubbing” the oil and the size and number of particles makes the difference. Oil swamp,es for example are snap shot of the condition of the oil taken from that particular spot at that time. One must be very careful not contaminate the same,e with debris at the collection point and airborne particles. So oil samples are essentially not so accurate. With our discussion let’s talk about how we could quantify your and my differences. One would need to put a particle counter (analyzer) it would take continuous analyzing the oil for number and size of the particulate matter before and after the filter. This would give you truly accurate assessment of both styles of filters. This is more of movie of the oils contamination levels not snapshot like a sample. But even with some bypass which nobody seems to really know how dynamic the conditions are to put it into by pass the oil coming into it with constant scrubbing to 20 micron absolute may still win the battle against a filter that is 30 micron nominal. So although we don’t agree some more sophisticated testing as I described would tell which filter is the winner. I made a living with filtration in hydraulic systems so I am not completely ignorant and maintain that unless someone can unequivocally tell how often the bypass is open and what the resultant contamination level part per million and size in microns of those particles this is all opinion. That’s ok I like your products and innovation just not convinced on this cleanable reusable oil filter. Thanks for responding.
I’ve run thousands of dynos.. mostly all Harleys. Never ran did a run after a bike just got a oil filter. Huh. I’ve seen some minor differences with M8’s from ac’s.. pipes don’t matter as much with modern motors .. in fact, I’ve seen torques drop off from a few different t slip-ons. Anyway, this is good stuff. Gives us all something to think about . I think 🤔
Thanks for sharing.
We have also seen that exhausts do not make as much a difference on the M8's.
Check out this link, with quite a few dyno charts, you can see with a True Performance Air Cleaner that there are some pretty good gains in HP and TQ. 8-12% increase (not talking about the epa compliant air cleaners masquerading as Stage X A/C's)
www.dkcustomproducts.com/milwaukee-eight-dyno-charts-other-interesting-info-dk-m8-rpt.htm
I installed a crankcase vent on my trans cover to relieve crankcase pressure(blowby) with one way valve to maintain vacuum, on my 2017 Road King Special, to help mitigate/prevent sumping issues. With that said, will the Outlaw High Performance oil filter help prevent sumping due to the expected higher oil flow rate? Your videos have been a great source of info for me btw.
Glad you are finding the videos useful! Thanks for the kind words. 👍
The vacuum thing is an unproven theory. One day we will take the time to do some testing and publish the results. Regardless, your bike will still run much better with an EBS, see this video- th-cam.com/video/EfDeFZblMck/w-d-xo.html
Vented dipsticks and transmission cover vents do NOT take the place of external breather systems.
There is still hot, oily, oxygen depleted air being fed into the intake.
The folks that sell vented dipsticks and trans cover vents, have it right in their product description that they do not prevent all that crap from going into your intake.
Here is a copy and paste from the Trask website- "This will reduce the oil exiting from the head breathers..."
Even if there is no trace of oil in the intake, there is still hot, oxygen depleted air going into the combustion chambers, making the engine run hotter, and not as strong because of the lower oxygen content.
IF you have an older M8, with the older oil pump and you are concerned about sumping...OR, IF you have a built engine with higher compression, then it may be beneficial to do an EBS And a vented dipstick or trans cover vent.
No, there is no reason to believe that the higher flowing performance oil filter will reduce the chance of sumping.
However, if you do not have one already, an inexpensive shorty sump plug will reduce the chance of sumping.
Here is a link to it- www.dkcustomproducts.com/milwaukee-eight-feuling-sump-plug.htm
And here is a video explaining why/how it works- th-cam.com/video/_4wxFjqyTAU/w-d-xo.html
@@DKCustomProducts Thanks. Very helpful and informative. I will try the short sump plug fix.
@@yamilethvilla7183 Good deal, thanks for watching!
Which m8 filter did you use?old type(same as twin cam) or the new bigger filter?
I do not recall. It was the one that came from the factory on this 2021 M8.
Seems to work great on air filters, no reason it wouldn't work better for the oil filter also.
Great point!
Any information on how much this filter actually cools the oil?
We've consistently seen a 5 F drop in oil temps. The more important reasons to use it are:
Better Filtration
Less Drag on the oil pump
Economical if one rides a lot
www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm
What's your guy's opinion about the K&N oil filter I do not think it has a bypass valve
I have only used Performance Cleanable Oil filters for well over a decade, but if I was not using those I would use (and have used in the past) the K&N oil filter.
The specs on the K&N oil filters can be seen at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/high-performance-oil-filters-kn-filters-c160-271.htm
You can see that they do have a bypass (relief) valve, and many other nice features.
Hey DK, was wondering how these filters would work with say upgraded oil pumps like S&S. You mentioned here that the increase flow allows for more power as the engine isn’t working as hard to push the oil through these filters like they do with paper ones, and keeps from hitting the bypass on oem style ones.
So with say an upgraded oil pumps, they will he pushing more oil through the engine, would this have any negative affects to say not building enough oil pressure or anything else? Just looking for some insight as to not shoot myself in the foot later on. Thanks!
We have many Customers running this filter with upgraded oil pumps with no issues. The oil will flow and there won't be more than 1 psi difference in them with and S&S or Fueling pump.
Thanks for watching, and great question.
Reusable filter design is superior. Only issue is the cleaning process and what you use to clean it. Residue from cleaning solution selected can dilute the new oil .
Thanks for sharing
Since these filters according to your website is $140 (high), I assume all you do is replace the element. Does it have a bypass valve?
The filters do Not need to be replaced. That is the beauty of them. They are easy to clean. Yes, they have a bypass, fortunately, unlike OEM filters, it rarely activates, but will if needed.
Here is a video showing that process.
th-cam.com/video/tWtO8J1xE5E/w-d-xo.html
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@@DKCustomProducts due for an oil change anyway lol
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All other filters have an anti drain valve to maintain the oil filter full. These don't seem to have that feature. Is there any concern at every startup of the engine?
No problems at all in hundreds of millions of miles on Harley's with these type filters.
Personally been using them for over 10 years, never had a dry start, or delay in oil pressure light going off on start up.
@@DKCustomProducts thank you for your reply. BTW, love your videos. Keep up the good work. Very informative.
@@arnoldpadilla6471 Thank you, appreciate that and glad you are digging the vids.
How does your oil filter compare to the FLO oil filter.
They are one and the same. 👍
Does permanent oil filter void warranty (on engine) , HD dealer in TN told me that… it will void warranty on engine 😢, is there any truth to that?
It will NOT void the warranty, UNLESS it is shown that the filter caused a or the problem.
For example, if you have a warranty claim on your MAP sensor in the Throttle body, or a claim on the transmission, or a claim of a valve spring breaking...NONE of those could possibly be a result of an oil filter malfunctioning...an oil filter cannot cause any of those and hundreds of other typical claims.
Here is a very important video to watch...the FTC wants folks to report Harley Dealerships that are breaking the law regarding misstating facts about the OEM Warranty - th-cam.com/video/M-QdwkZ3_RQ/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
I would have your video address actual oil tests to show the difference of the oil using a high quality paper filter vs. the reusable oil filter.
I'm guessing you mean to send the oil off to be tested after running with a paper filter vs. a reusable one?
Also, what do you consider to be a high quality paper filter?
Thanks for watching and for your comment. 👍
I use the K&N oil filter because testing has shown the disposable K&N is very good. but Wix and HD are good filters
@@biglog5112 Yes, we like the K&N oil filter also...just not as much as the Permanent Filter.
We will do a test between the two next time on the dyno. Don't expect to see much of a difference, but we have been surprised before, so we will see how it turns out.
Good info as always, and food for thought. #1
Glad it was helpful! Appreciate the comment.
Thanks... I bought one from you guys and will install at next oil change.
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I believe you will be well pleased with the filter. 👍
Would this be ok for a 93 Harley Heritage with the EVO Big Twin?
Yes, this fits and works well on EVO BT's, 1986 and up, except for Does not fit 1986 FXWG, FXSB, FXEF. www.dkcustomproducts.com/replacement-filter-element-for-outlaw-cleanable-oil-filter-dk-ocof-ele.htm
The twin cams need a 5 micron filter, for the cam plate an shoes apparently
That is incorrect. Harley's 5 micron filter is a nominal 5 micron, allowing particles in excess of 50 microns thru....THEN, when it goes into bypass mode, which it will do when cold or full throttle, NOTHING is being filtered.
See details on this subject at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-polished-finish-dk-ocof-crm.htm
KP
Do you just hand tight the filter when installed?
Yes, just like any other filter. Turn it til the gasket touches, then another 1/3 to 1/2 turn.
@@DKCustomProducts thank you
@@charlesmc1841 Happy to help!
Very interesting, who is your supplier in Australia?.
We ship directly to Australia, so that is one option. The other is that Rollies Speed Shop has recently become a Dealer/Distributor for us in Australia. They do not have good stock yet, but they can get it quickly if you ask.
@@DKCustomProducts thank you for your quick response, have a good day.
How well do these work without relocation?
They work the same. The purpose of the relocation is not to make the oil filter work any better.
The purpose of the relocation is to make oil changes easier/less messy, and to get a little extra cooling.
Great video as usual
Thank you! 👍 Glad that you are liking the vids!
What about the Gasket/ Seals?
The Permanent oil filter comes with two o-rings. One to use when installing the filter and one to replace it with if it wears out. If both wear out they are cheap to replace and are sold on our website.
You can see the Oil Filter at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm
You can see the O-Rings at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/replacement-o-ring-for-cleanable-oil-filter-dk-ocof-rng.htm
Please feel free to contact us with any questions;
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Thank You for commenting! MB
So. On an Evo would a good finned, metal, fine micron filter relocated out away from the engine with an oil radiator make a boost in performance and longevity on an already Bulletproof Engine (the Evo).
Yes, IF it is running hotter than 210 F in the cylinder heads, or if the oil is going over 230 F. If will last longer and run stronger. KP
Yes, IF they cylinder head temp is over 210F or the oil temp is over 230 F, cooling it down will increase longevity AND Power. KP
@@DKCustomProducts Knowing DK Customs can get expensive. I've looking at this mod for a while because I like the look and idea squeezing every bit of performance out of my Roadster.
Awesome! Let us know if you have any questions! MB
I’m sure Harley would use it as an excuse to void your warranty. I’m definitely going to go with one on the next oil change on my 06’ Dyna though.
Yes, possibly, if they were even aware enough to notice it. I would remove it and put one of their filter on if I ever had to take a bike in for warranty work on the engine.
@@DKCustomProducts Do you think that the same should be done for the slip ons that I installed?
@@PaulG75 Likelihood of needing to take the bike in for warranty work is slim. But if you do, and the bike is a 2017 or newer (that is when HD's warranty went bad) then I would.
@@DKCustomProducts Yeah. It’s a 21 that l bought less than a month ago. I appreciate you always getting back to me with the advice.
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Good video. Oil has a tough life and job to do, it needs all the help it can get both ways thru the engine. We should all be concerned about oil circulation. Everyone in racing knows the parasitic drag too much oil pooling in a crankcase can rob power out put. Paper type element filters scare me, case in point the failure rate Fram filters were having. I never liked or ran them, but I did dissect a few and was not very impressed
Hey Jack, good to hear your input on this. Always good info that you post. Thanks. 👍
@@DKCustomProducts Thank you for the kind words. If we do not share info, we do not further the community
@@jackklarich7045 True that! Thanks man!
Hey guys just finning but I did buy your external breather and satisfied
Thank you for the comment and for your business. Good to hear you are liking the parts. 👍
How well do these work without
What is the micron rating on them
Details are in the link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-polished-finish-dk-ocof-crm.htm
Haven't seen enough data to convince me yet.with a 160 Hp m8
on the street I use k&n on a race car they don't capture all the particles that a good spin on does
lake speed from total seal did a video on it. on a stock bike maybe they work ok.
Dunno what to say. We don't really try and convince anybody of anything.
We only put parts on our website that we run on our own bikes.
We generally only run parts on our own bikes that we have tested and seen that they work well.
We then share the information that we learned so that folks can make an informed decision.
There is a lot of information at the following link, but I will list a few facts right here, and then the rest of them can be seen at the link below. These are the reasons we run them on our own bikes.
1. Paper filters are rated nominally. This means they can let some particles as large as 100 microns thru.
2. It also means that they are uneven in their filtering and can get clogged up more easily, creating more drag on the oil pump.
3. Paper filters regularly go into bypass on start-up and high RPM, and when that happens, NO Filtration is occurring.
4. Permanent oil filters are rated an absolute of 35 microns (below the limit of human visibility). and rarely, if ever, going into bypass.
5. They have a magnet that pre-filters the oil.
6. After around 10 oil changes, it is less expensive to use a permanent oil filter than a paper one.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm
Thank you for your comment, and hope you have found the information above, and at the link, useful.
Cool product. 😎👍😎
Thanks, I really like it.
It pays for itself in just a few oil changes, that’s like getting a free HP and torque boost!
True that.
Dyno run that filter on the hot rod sportster please!!!
We will do that next time we are on the dyno. Thanks for watching!
So why don't you see a power increase when the oil bypass is being used.
Some feel it, some do not. The dyno shows it on Twin Cams and Sportsters...and, of course, it depends on how old the paper filter is/how clogged up it is. Paper filters use the bypass more than the Permanent Oil Filters do. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
what's the micron rating
Read the info at the following link. HD filters are rated with a "Nominal Rating", these filters have an "Absolute Rating", so looking at micron ratings and "comparing" them is NOT an apples to apples comparison.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-polished-finish-dk-ocof-crm.htm
Nice video! I'm really thinking about going this route but HD "brags" about their OEM filters being designed to filter down to 5 microns. How does this permanent filter compare in that respect? Or maybe that's part of the filter media problem that your permanent filter solves? Just thinking about MOCO's warranty stance (which is really annoying!). Thanks!
You can see all the details at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-polished-finish-dk-ocof-crm.htm
Here is a small excerpt with the dirty secret of micron ratings...how the micron rating applies to oil filters. The HD OEM filters and aftermarket paper filters are rated on AVERAGES, percentages and multiple passes, so a 10-micron-rated paper filter may be letting particles 100 microns and larger through.
@@DKCustomProducts Ok, missed that specific reference! Thank-you!
Paper filters catch more particles than the others. Go look at the tests.
Aftermarket paper filters are rated on AVERAGES, percentages and multiple passes, so a 10-micron-rated paper filter may be letting particles 100 microns and larger through. The Outlaw High Performance Permanent Oil filter is has an absolute micron ratings rather than nominal, they put less of a load on the oil pump, so more power to the rear tire, and they are much more economical in the long run.
More details on them at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/high-performance-oil-filters-kn-filters-c160-320.htm
I have to call bullshit on the bypass opening when the engine is cold or high rpm Harley's have low pressure and the bypass wont open unless the filter is completely clogged if your getting any effect at all it's from less restrictive flow.
Thanks for your comment and for watching the video.
It is easy to have an opinion and write about it without any proof, data or understanding.
If you are interested in understanding, below is an explanation, and a link to the source....and, of course, you can google and find actual information too.
" Under ideal conditions, the bypass valve will never open. When it opens, the oil by passes the filter and goes on through to the motor, obviously unfiltered. It is a safety valve.
However, in real operation, it opens often. One example is when you start the motor when cold. The oil is thick and does not pass easily through the filtration medium, thus building up to a high pressure drop. So, the bypass valve opens to prevent oil-starvation of the motor. How long it stays open is dependent on how cold the oil is and how long it takes to get near operating temperature.
Another example can occur when the motor is fully warmed. At idle, the oil pressure is about 15 to 20 psi, and the pressure drop across the filter is about 1 or 2 psi. You take off towards the redline, and quickly build oil pressure. During that full-throttle acceleration the pressure drop across the filter will exceed the bypass setting, and send unfiltered oil to the motor, until the pressure across the filter has time to equalize. During a drag race, shifting through the gears, the bypass will open several times.
A third example, which you should never experience with frequent oil and filter changes, is when a filter becomes clogged."
Source: bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/exactly-how-does-a-bypass-valve-work.23682/#post-309756
@@DKCustomProducts I have understanding about how oil filters work it's not an opinion.
@@mbsnyderc Then you know what the bypass valve acts on, the differential pressure, the pressure difference between the inlet and outlet sides of the filter. NOT based on " Harley's have low pressure". That has nothing to do with it.
Pretty much the same as a K&N performance air filter and a standard paper and sponge air filter on most cars..
Not sure what you are talking about. This video is about oil filters, not air filters.
Or maybe your saying that the difference in using a quality oil filter vs. a OEM is the same as the difference between an OEM air cleaner and a aftermarket air filter element?
That may be true. Do you have any data supporting that?
@@DKCustomProducts Yeah that's what I mean about the quality the air filter in a K&N type has a mesh which allows better air flow apposed to a standard paper element with a sponge backing. Same as the mesh in your higher flowing oil filter..K&N air filters will have relatively the same type of minor performance gains and better air fuel efficiency as what your saying with your oil filters..And as you know everything helps..K&N does have the data supporting that on their websites..
I like the concept of this, but who actually makes these filters? I’m seeing three different companies using the exact same description and some pictures calling this filter their own. It’s making it look like this is a Chinese filter that is rebranded and sold by a select number of companies.
The filter element is medical grade, 304 stainless steel micronic filter cloth. The country of origin varies. They all are rated at an absolute 35 microns.
There are many companies that make this type of filter. The main differences between them is the housing the filter sits in.
For many years we used and sold the K&P version of this filter.
We moved away from K&P because we have quite a few Customers that race. For the track everything needs to be safety wired and the K&P does not have a nut at the end with a hole for the safety wire.
So we changed to a housing that does have the nut with a hole for the safety wire.
@@DKCustomProducts There a couple companies that seem to have the exact same housing you guys have. Why are these companies all using the exact same photos and descriptions? It makes all of the products look like knock offs. Thank you.
@orficaldari3524 The FLO High-performance Permanent Oil Filter is widely used and sold.
I can not speak for other companies as to where they get theirs from, but we get the ones we sell from PC Racing who make these in California.
@@DKCustomProducts Ah okay I think that is where my confusion is coming from. Thank you for the responses. I’ll be getting one of your filters.
Thank you for your business!
Feel free to contact us with any questions or concerns! 😎
This is a very nice looking oil filter. But unless and until they can put an actual filter element that will stop small dogs and children better than this one does. Because it literally will only filter to 35 micron I would suggest that you never put one of these on an engine that you want to last very long even one of the worst paper filters will filter out iron dust used for magnaflux out at a rather large rate, where it will flow through this filter without even slowing down.
Dunno what to say. We don't really try and convince anybody of anything.
We only put parts on our website that we run on our own bikes.
We generally only run parts on our own bikes that we have tested and seen that they work well.
We then share the information that we learned so that folks can make an informed decision.
There is a lot of information at the following link, but I will list a few facts right here, and then the rest of them can be seen at the link below. These are the reasons we run them on our own bikes.
1. Paper filters are rated nominally. This means they can let some particles as large as 100 microns thru.
2. It also means that they are uneven in their filtering and can get clogged up more easily, creating more drag on the oil pump.
3. Paper filters regularly go into bypass on start-up and high RPM, and when that happens, NO Filtration is occurring.
4. Permanent oil filters are rated an absolute of 35 microns (below the limit of human visibility). and rarely, if ever, going into bypass.
5. They have a magnet that pre-filters the oil.
6. After around 10 oil changes, it is less expensive to use a permanent oil filter than a paper one.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm
Thank you for your comment, and hope you have found the information above, and at the link, useful. 😎MB
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No offense fellas but personally I feel that all these performance cleanable filters are fugly...now if I can find one that is nice and smooth...it can have the 13/16" hex on the end but it has to have the clean smooth look to it....as for the oil well if it comes out looking nearly identical to what it does going in then your oil is not doing its job...modern day oils have detergents that are supposed to carry dirt and carbon away from the areas where it inevitably comes into contact with the combustion area...ie piston rings and valve seals/guides...with that being said your oil should be significantly darker than when it went in and I think you guys should dyno oew harley oil both conventional and synthetic and then compare it to whatever you use as well as royal purple...personally after warranty is up I'll be running the royal purple because I can actually feel little perks like better throttle response (especially on older bikes but still noticeable on newer ones as well)...less cough and sputter which I wonder if changing the oem compensater sprocket out to the dark horse man o war compensater sprocket will help with that as well
Yeah, understandable. Different strokes for different folks. The fins on the oil filter give a little more surface area to facilitate cooling. They can also sort of match the fins on the cylinders and heads.
I don't know if anyone makes one that has a non-finned housing.
Not sure why you mentioned the oil looking the same or suspending impurities. I don't think we talked about that at all.
We've thought about doing dyno runs with different oils...that is a huge rabbit hole that I think we would never come out of if we went down it. lol
We did do a video on oil, you may find it interesting. Here's the link to it- th-cam.com/video/bNHgNThrqQo/w-d-xo.html
Don’t say he is cleaning his oil filter in his kitchen sink someone may be listening
ROFL. Yeah, I've had a few comments about that in videos. We have a septic system and the little bit of oil that comes out of the filter element is small and has had no perceptible negative effect on our system over the last 15 years. Pretty sure that the oils/fats that get washed down the drain cleaning dishes, pots and pans dwarf the amount of oil being washed out of the filter element.
Sounds like a waste of money to me.
Yeah, if you don't ride much, probably not worth it.
If you ride a lot, not only do you save $ on filters (hundreds over a few years), but you also get better performance and the engine lasts longer and runs stronger.
But, again, if you don't ride much, none of that matters much.
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I bought 2, one for my 2021 Street Glide and another for my 2009 Rocker C
I bet you are liking the ease of not having to buy an oil filter every oil change, and I hope you are seeing the cooling benefits that the Permanent Oil filter gives.
Thank you for commenting and for your business!!! 👍😎👍
Bought it last year
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