The E didn't get a fair shake. It's an amazing ship hindered by poor films, no love in the series, and an arbitrary replacement when it should have still been in service. Love this ship.
Personally I think the Trek devs have gone to far with their designs. The Excelsior lasted 120 years with refits keeping her up to date. The Miranda’s lasted even longer and the Galaxy class was supposed to be a 100 year space frame… then Secret Hideout came along and figured that if they kept pumping out new ship designs, someone would buy them. Either in plastic or in STO. This, despite the fact they nuked the premier ship yard of the Federation in series… somehow I doubt the new designs will hang around long enough to make their mark on the fandom. How can they? When seasons have become half seasons and the CGI is so bad at lighting ships in space…. But more importantly, these ships aren’t treated as part of the cast and given it’s time onscreen to admire it ala TNG and Voyager?
@ryanslauderdale First Contact could have been good but was overworked. And the E was just a playscape for zombie like Borg Scooby-Doo chases that resulted in the mystery of hoe many decks does she have.
@@BC08 nah this is when ships were just whipped up by basic graphic designers and not people with engineering/science backgrounds like the previous ones were. They are now "cool looking" only and not functional and practical.
At least in Novel Canon, the Big E-E DID see action in the Dominion War, which included destroying a Dominion Battle Cruiser shortly after the beginning of the war along the Federation-Cardassian Border, while answering a distress call from USS Aurora. Unfortunately, said battle cruiser took the USS Aurora with her by constantly shooting at her. It also included participating in the liberation of Betazed, and the Battle of Earth during the Breen incursion.
That is good to know. The films (in particular Insurrection) lost me when they had the BigE-E apparently sitting out the Dominion War. In a war so devastating, how could a ship as advanced and powerful as the Big-E-E be left to do that? Not to mention a Captain as renowned as Picard. She should most definitely have been involved in the fight for Betazed if nothing else. I have to read up on those Novel Canon stories. Fighting at Betazed and Earth would imply that the Big-E-E was part of a Strategic Reserve. That could make sense.
My favourite Enterprise is the original refit from ST:TMP. Doug Trumbull did an incredible job - backed by a triumphant Jerry Goldsmith score - 35 years ago.
With the whole number of deck issues, if I was a ship designer I'd say there are 26 decks but 2 are classed as sub-decks (much like that found on the USS Protostar), so in reality 24. The refit of the Sovereign-class was a definite beast and I would've liked to of seen it after it's Nemesis refit, and even though we saw it in animated form, it wasn't enough.
but don't forget that in Nemesis there were 29 decks, but then below that 29th deck was another and then below that there was a very deep pit meaning there needs to be at least more than 30 (including sub decks).
@@keirfarnum6811 The Galaxy-class was a cruise liner, while what came before were more akin to ocean liners. The Sovereign, in a very fitting way, aligned more closely to Starfleet's naval traditions while also looking forward to possible future needs. As though someone had built the _SS United States_ (fastest ever ocean liner) with _RMS Queen Mary 2_ 's tech. But hopefully with better wi-fi than the _QM2_ , as I've heard there are complaints.
The sovereign class will always be a favorite of mine. The first star trek design that I instantly fell in love with. As for the deck issues. I just figured the decks were split in some areas
Yes. This. Thank you. The Sovereign Enterprise E is 100% the sleekest and sexiest starship to ever grace the stars. I just want a TMP-level 10 minute long fly-by of this gorgeous vessel
To me the Sovereign -E feels like a newly bought sports car; very fast and sleek, with a ton of power under the hood, and that intoxicating new leather smell. But it felt like there was something missing: the very warm and welcoming homely atmosphere that the Galaxy -D just oozed with. I grew up on TNG and my heart will always go with that starship Enterprise. The -D also had these very organic looking contours that I loved. My only gripe is the girth makes it look a bit wonky at certain angles. If the -E is a new sports car, the -D was an old family minivan; a little embarrassing, but radiating with sentimental value. When I discovered the Odyssey back in 2015 (has it really been 8 years already?) I fell in love almost immediately. You had this ship that was able to combine the sleek lines of the Sovereign with the organic curves of the Galaxy! The twin necks threw me off at first, but they eventually grew on me. The Odyssey -F is the best-looking Enterprise in my opinion.
@@euanmorris7835 he hasn't seen what a bad chick the Mirror Lexington-Class Enterprise-F is. Currently flying the Refit Enterprise-E in STO and looking to get the Yorktown/Odyssey with that quantum torpedo Mission Pod. Gives my resupply ship something to fill up
The Sovereign-class is the most beautiful ship ever designed to grace the stars with her presence. She is sexy, tough, sleek and strong. She's everything you would want from a ship with an incredibly designed aesthetic and no structural weaknesses like the other Enterprise's.
This the best and most theatrical video you have ever produced! I love how the Enterprise E is one story while the reactions and journey of leftenant Adam become two more story layers. I feel your pain, Adam. All your arm-twisting was felt on this end! Yes, i got the (haha!) puns too. Brilliant'
Me too. 100% I say this every Lt Commander Adam video. I wish that TrekCulture had custom thumbnails for Adam's content, so it'd 100% clear when he's gracing us.
The Sovereign Class is my favorite Star Trek ship class. It had the classic Star Trek design - saucer connected to a secondary hull - yet they made it look advanced. In contrast, outside of the Cut-and-Paste class of the last episode of season 2 of Picard, the Picard Era ships look like they're going backwards in terms of design. They didn't even give them new names, being neo this & that.
My favorite is always going to be the TOS Enterprise that I grew up with in the 60's, but my other favorites are the refit Enterprise-A and Enterprise-E for sure...
The story from STO is, after nemesis Data took command of the enterprise E, it was then destroyed in a battle fighting species 8472. Then the Enterprise F was made.
NCC-1701-E is my favorite version of the Starship Enterprise. I remember sitting in the theater watching “Star Trek: First Contact” when Starship Enterprise-E first appeared on the screen. The entire audience gasped and then said: “OOOOOOHHH!” That was the most beautiful Starship I had ever seen…
4:50 - I like the idea that 2 of the decks are classified, and Picard didn't tell Lily Sloan about them because she didn't need to know. Maybe that's where they keep the dolphins?
How funny! You asked “Does Data have a death wish” and, as we learned when he & Lore did their best Decker/V’Ger impression, that answer is mos-def, “Yes!”
My personal favourite Enterprise, and one of my favourite designs in Trek (Second to the Intrepid). In-universe it does make sense the ship didn't last that long; despite Starfleet's best efforts, the 'E' did seem to get into a lot of major battles, regardless of the fact that a lot of those battles are either when she was badly outnumbered or against opponents who thoroughly out-class her, but because she remembered to get her Plot Armour installed, she wins, but did mean she probably had a few more miles on the clock than her age suggested.
Always between the E and the C for my favorite. The C's pylons bug me, but I really like the simple saucer and stouter neck, the positions of the weapons, the blue deflector, and of course the nacelles themselves.
I have to say, most Star Trek ship break downs come across as stale, boring, and sometimes barely watchable. THIS video is NOT, that. I kept finding myself laughing and nodding my head in agreement. Well done to everyone who had a hand in it. The writing, the voice over, and editing were all top notch.
@@jcraigwilliams70 I was never a fan of the Excelsior. To me at least, it looked as if it were pregnant. TOS Enterprise, the Refit Enterprise and Enterprise A are very difficult to top for looks.
@classicgalactica5879 the Constitution refit is the most beautiful ship Starfleet has ever had. I'd love a series set in that Era just to see more of that design.
Obviously Deck 13 is skipped in the numbering because it's an unlucky number. Also Deck 22 because that's an unlucky number on Vulcan. So there are 24 physical decks, but the twenty-fourth deck is referred to a Deck 26.
I'm just fascinated by you lively and serious, but comedic commentary, Left Tennant, Commander Adam. We , here in the Caribbean have our own style of speaking the queens.... " ermmr", Kings English. Through by our parents. Much appreciate it sir.... Proceed.....
The Sovereign class just wasn't nearly as well thought out as the Galaxy class. The fact that no one can even definitively say how many decks there are is a perfect example. I really tried to like the Sovereign class but never could. I was really grateful when the D was restored in Picard season 3.
Yep... I like the Galaxy class way more than the Sovereign. Everything in star trek after TNG all looks like kitbash. The last "new" ship I liked was Defiant class. I hated voyager and the whole "configurable nacelles" gimmick. Star Trek is effectively just Space D & D now. It's full bore fantasy now with nothing based on anything remotely sciency. At least the old ones tried.
I dunno. The E is fine but far from my favorite. The D is just so iconic and sleek looking. It’s hard to top that for the TNG era for me. Also really like the refit 1701 (prefer it to the TOS version).
easiest deck explanation would be that perhaps there are only 24 habitable decks and that when referring to the ship as an environment that's how they'd be summarized, but they'd still be numbered accurately, so Deck 26 could be the 24th deck where people routinely are found and a couple interstitial decks are just technical access and conduit and such.
Apparently, she was originally going to be named Uss honorius. ( but they changed it yo enterprise after d was destroyed) . Honorius was the last roman emporer. ( mentioned by picard in best of both worlds part one )
Um no he wasn’t. Technically Romulus Augustulus was the “last Western Roman Emperor” but even that isn’t entirely accurate, e cause there was another one in charge of a province in the west but the last Roman Emperor was Constantine XI who died when the capital Constantinople fell to the Ottomans.
Simple explanation for the deck discrepancy in first contact. 1. It;s a brand new ship / command 2. Picard is under incredible stress and fear and PTSD. 3. Picard is pushing if not just over 60 years old at this point in his career.
In my head cannon, the Enterprise E had 30 decks at launch, but some of them were double, triple or quadruple deck height in size. Either to accommodate storage space, hardware or some specific mission profile modules and when they went through refit, some of the double decks were converted to a standard deck. Maybe the computer cores were upgraded, the new one was smaller so they had room to modify the internals to add deck space. For example they may have decks 8, 9, 10, 11, 15, 18, 19, and 20 in that order and deck 11 would include 4 deck in height, while deck 15 would include 3 decks in height. So in First Contact, the borg may have reached deck numbered 26, in a ship with 24 physical decks. Maybe some of these bigger decks were shuttle manufacturing and shuttle space that is useful for an explorer in deep space, but became less useful in its later years when exploration became less of a focus.
If Eddington didn't surrender, Sisko was gonna get Chuck Norris to get in the Torpedo Bay, poised in Dragon Kick position and go after another colony. There would be no evacuation.
I (by far) prefer you to any of the other presenters, I don't click away when I hear your voice, but the others just seem to spew words AT me instead of including me in a one-sided conversation. Thank you, MY Captain. (LC's become 'Captains' when taking the helm).
The thing that makes me dislike the Enterprise-F greatly is the thin, and split, neck design connecting the primary and secondary hulls. This completely ignores the wisdom Enterprise-E designers to protect against such a weakness. Otherwise, the rest of the ship is fine with me, not that my opinions matters lol :)
Let me fix the plot hole. We could just say there was an extra 2 (3? 4? Whatever you like) decks on the bottom of the ship that are not commonly used and contain mostly equipment. Technically the ship has more than 24 decks but you wouldn't be incorrect for saying it only has 24, as the bottom decks are not often counted. Kind of like how you wouldn't count 3 basements on a skyscraper as actual floors. There. It can't b a proper plot hole if it's solved by a simple explanation.
That doesn't really work though. Deck 42 of the Galaxy class is clearly deck 42. There are vast area's left unfinished as well, as well as some decks that contain ships systems and such (antimatter pods on deck 42, transfer conduits, etc) but those decks are still counted. On Voyager, the episode "Good Shepard" clearly shows deck 15 containing nothing but ships systems, yet is still considered deck 15. I think ultimately it is just a writers mistake. A refit could explain deck 26, but not in the same movie. Deck 29? No way without significantly altering the shape. The in-uni reason could be simple, the characters misspoke...but that is a stretch too. I say split the diff and embrace the cognitive dissonance. First contact? 24 decks....i am going with Picard. Nemesis? I can see a couple more (very small in sq. footage albeit) decks having been added in the refit, so 26 decks onwards.
I always liked the headcanon, that starfleet was unable to field any soverign class ships and especially the Enterprise because the Dominion would instantly recognize it's moral value and just plow a small fleet into it (like they did the Galaxy class in their turf) demoralizing everyone who would witness yet another Enterprise being destroyed so fast. Recognizing that threat the Enterprise and her Sisters would be relegated to non dominion affairs to avoid that disaster.
My personal favorite has always been the 1701 Refit Enterprise and will continue to be so. The Enterprise-E is a thing a beauty but there's ALWAYS been inconsistencies throughout Trek's history. It did bug me that they kept changing the number of decks for the Enterprise-E. I mean hell I think they kept the same number of decks for the 1701 Refit and for sure the Enterprise-D. Oh and let us not forget Voyager. They did change the number of decks for the Defiant (DS9) a couple of times but not as bad as for the E-E. By the way I'm curious why was most of the footage from the films shown swapped? It looked just....odd. Thanks for this video Adam as always I enjoy videos that you do as well as Jack. I laughed a lot with the way how you had your humor in this.
My favourite Enterprise is the C just love that ship, although not seen in her own right she is still a awesome ship. Just love the commentary you do in these videos well awesome.
I love how the D felt like a smart but friendly manta ray or whale shark, where as the E looks like a very smart shark or barracuda that doesn't break eye contact with you.
I don’t get why they didn’t give the Sovereign more time. It has so much advancement especially against the borg and even regular enemies. If it can adapt against the borg it should be even more effective against regular enemies. According to STP Atleast Star Fleet did create a LOT of Sovereign class ships.
The refit Enterprise from the original movie is my favorite (I grew up watching TOS and saw ST The Motion Picture in theaters) but the E is definitely my 2nd favorite. It just looks like a badass.
*the super secret upper decks not included in "official" non high security schematics were in all probability (or at least in my own personal head canon) highly refined holodeck research labs that could rapidly generate prototype weapons or tools (while at high warp) then have the plans for them directed to one of the large scale replicators...reducing the need for constant refits at remote starbases*
taking from history, the USS enterprise during the war had a few nicknames one of them being "The Big E" since this is the USS Enterprise E i feel like the Big E would work as a nick name as well
Sovereign-class design team room. We have taken a designer to found the Enterprise A, the Excelsior class, the intrepid class in a single concept. And I raised it to the size of a Galaxy class. And we liked the visual design so much that we're going to make another class of a tiny size to take care of exploration in certain missions like the Oberth class and its successors. Over the next two months, I want to see you scattered throughout the Federation, looking for every cutting-edge weapon system that is in development, every system that catches your eye. And I don't want guns, I want huge guns... and many of them. Don't forget the biggest and most powerful shields. It will be our job to find a way to put and feed them properly. Skipping the mental schemes... And if to do that, we need to adapt the weapons systems of starbases, so be it. It's time to get to work. Dismiss.
I missed her. A bit dissapointed about her absence in Star Trek Picard. I like the Sovereign more than the Galaxy Enterprise. In Star Trek Online, this Sovereign class is my flagship, the most favourite one
0:51 wait, my gender is badass 90's starship now? does this mean i have to apologize to everyone that ever told me they identity as an attack helicopter for laughing at them?
When I saw a new Star Trek movie, I always looked for new starships named enterprise, especially after st generations. The only starship that EVER had me on the edge of seat, completely enraptured, was the 1701 refit in st tmp. No other ship has ever elicited an "oh my" like she did. Where grace and aesthetic beauty were concerned, she was the best ever, hands down!
Always loved the sovereign design and to be honest i grew up with the movies and next generation as a kid in the 90's i thought the origional constitution design was ok but not wow but the excelsior now that was a nice sleek designed ship which is probably why i love the sovereign design so much.
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Data having a deathwish was something that was discussed in one of the TNG episodes where. Data was contemplating programming a subroutine that would terminate him at a predetermined time after one of enterprise-d crew member commited suicide.
I usually love your reviews on this channel but this time it was almost hard to listen to At times I thought you were going crazy. Maybe relax a little LOL But I did like the video. always loved the enterprise E! product
Awesome video BTW - Im going to say something a bit crazy. Why not take the Defiant class design and just multiply that in a larger hulll/design. The Defiant is more powerful than most larger class ships. So why not replicate that in a larger redundant hull and then slather it with similar/newer weapon systems. Add the Voayage ablative armor tech and shields it would be quite the ship. So far, "they" have not made a formidable ship. Even the Soverin is outclassed.
8:38 these two should have had their own show, honestly. that same back and forth, as depicted here, but with Anson in the yellow uniform of SNW, and her as his wife constantly putting him in place. kind of what O'Brien's home scenes were in DS9, but a lot more high stakes.
The E didn't get a fair shake. It's an amazing ship hindered by poor films, no love in the series, and an arbitrary replacement when it should have still been in service. Love this ship.
Hey, it got First Contact, which is the best Star Trek film since The Undiscovered Country, and that includes the Jar Jar Abrams movies.
Agreed
Personally I think the Trek devs have gone to far with their designs. The Excelsior lasted 120 years with refits keeping her up to date. The Miranda’s lasted even longer and the Galaxy class was supposed to be a 100 year space frame… then Secret Hideout came along and figured that if they kept pumping out new ship designs, someone would buy them. Either in plastic or in STO.
This, despite the fact they nuked the premier ship yard of the Federation in series… somehow I doubt the new designs will hang around long enough to make their mark on the fandom. How can they? When seasons have become half seasons and the CGI is so bad at lighting ships in space…. But more importantly, these ships aren’t treated as part of the cast and given it’s time onscreen to admire it ala TNG and Voyager?
@ryanslauderdale First Contact could have been good but was overworked. And the E was just a playscape for zombie like Borg Scooby-Doo chases that resulted in the mystery of hoe many decks does she have.
I mean it was in 2 pretty good movies with one dud at the end. Wish it stuck around longer though. It’s one of my favorite Star Trek ships.
If you didn't get goosebumps in theatres during first contact when the e first appeared you weren't a trek fan.
I definitely did
still do even after watching it for the 100th time!
@Mr. Dee more like “fattering” amirite???
@parallax3d first time seeing the defiant made me queasy for this exact reason. I did like the E though
I did get the goosebumps in 1996; and I still do today. Love the E. 😍😍
The first rule of Decks 25 & 26. Do not talk about Decks 25 & 26. Some seriously weird s**t happens down there and we do not like talking about it...
"I hate it when a ship gets repaired and comes out looking all 'Soverign class...'" -C. Freeman
She has bad taste apparently
Hahahaha that series is so wonderfully irreverent
@@BC08 nah this is when ships were just whipped up by basic graphic designers and not people with engineering/science backgrounds like the previous ones were. They are now "cool looking" only and not functional and practical.
@@treborkroy5280 Sovereign was arguably the most rationalized and realistic design of all of them.
@@BC08 that's hiiiiillllarious
By far the best Enterprise. The Refit is the prettiest, but the E is just one badass starship
@MrDee-st8sm It's 10x better than the obese D that's too wide, pointlessly large and awkward to look good doing anything.
Simple the best Trek design, the Excelsior class is second place.
@Mr. Dee Your opinion is yours only.
@Mr. Dee I don't care what you think. I like it, deal with it.
I've left better "starships" in the toilet.
I fell in love with the E when I first saw her on the big screen in first contact. By far my favorite ship in star trek ever!
Section 31 harassing the host in the middle of the transmission is one of the most funny things I ever seen lmao
At least in Novel Canon, the Big E-E DID see action in the Dominion War, which included destroying a Dominion Battle Cruiser shortly after the beginning of the war along the Federation-Cardassian Border, while answering a distress call from USS Aurora. Unfortunately, said battle cruiser took the USS Aurora with her by constantly shooting at her.
It also included participating in the liberation of Betazed, and the Battle of Earth during the Breen incursion.
That is good to know. The films (in particular Insurrection) lost me when they had the BigE-E apparently sitting out the Dominion War. In a war so devastating, how could a ship as advanced and powerful as the Big-E-E be left to do that? Not to mention a Captain as renowned as Picard. She should most definitely have been involved in the fight for Betazed if nothing else.
I have to read up on those Novel Canon stories. Fighting at Betazed and Earth would imply that the Big-E-E was part of a Strategic Reserve. That could make sense.
The Defiant doesn't ready itself to enter the wormhole.
The wormhole readies itself for the Defiant.
My favourite Enterprise is the original refit from ST:TMP. Doug Trumbull did an incredible job - backed by a triumphant Jerry Goldsmith score - 35 years ago.
It is the ultimate form of the Enterprise. Only matched in aesthetic elegance by the Odyssey class Enterprise F from Star Trek Online.
My favorite, too. Scott's guide to the enterprise is the best reference book.
Beautiful, elegant, regal. A true queen of the cosmos.
the fact that they refer the torpedoes as 'flashy kaboom lights' put me on the damn floor LOL
With the whole number of deck issues, if I was a ship designer I'd say there are 26 decks but 2 are classed as sub-decks (much like that found on the USS Protostar), so in reality 24. The refit of the Sovereign-class was a definite beast and I would've liked to of seen it after it's Nemesis refit, and even though we saw it in animated form, it wasn't enough.
I always thought he was not talking about Deck 1 of 2 as they were shorter than the length of the other 24 Deck
but don't forget that in Nemesis there were 29 decks, but then below that 29th deck was another and then below that there was a very deep pit meaning there needs to be at least more than 30 (including sub decks).
@@starexcelsior At least it's not as bad as the Infinidecks on the E-A in Star Trek V
I feel deeply respected by being called a sovereign class, thank you
The 1701-F is a cross between the flying Marriott of the Galaxy Class and the multi-adapted ship of the line Sovereign Class
“...flying Marriot of the Galaxy Class...” 😆.
@@keirfarnum6811 can’t claim credit… gotta love them Honest Trailers
That JJ Abrams abomination is ugly as sin. Sovereign class 👌
Edit: was thinking of the J. F is still ugly though.
@@keirfarnum6811 The Galaxy-class was a cruise liner, while what came before were more akin to ocean liners. The Sovereign, in a very fitting way, aligned more closely to Starfleet's naval traditions while also looking forward to possible future needs. As though someone had built the _SS United States_ (fastest ever ocean liner) with _RMS Queen Mary 2_ 's tech. But hopefully with better wi-fi than the _QM2_ , as I've heard there are complaints.
The sovereign class will always be a favorite of mine. The first star trek design that I instantly fell in love with.
As for the deck issues. I just figured the decks were split in some areas
Yes. This. Thank you. The Sovereign Enterprise E is 100% the sleekest and sexiest starship to ever grace the stars.
I just want a TMP-level 10 minute long fly-by of this gorgeous vessel
To me the Sovereign -E feels like a newly bought sports car; very fast and sleek, with a ton of power under the hood, and that intoxicating new leather smell. But it felt like there was something missing: the very warm and welcoming homely atmosphere that the Galaxy -D just oozed with. I grew up on TNG and my heart will always go with that starship Enterprise. The -D also had these very organic looking contours that I loved. My only gripe is the girth makes it look a bit wonky at certain angles. If the -E is a new sports car, the -D was an old family minivan; a little embarrassing, but radiating with sentimental value.
When I discovered the Odyssey back in 2015 (has it really been 8 years already?) I fell in love almost immediately. You had this ship that was able to combine the sleek lines of the Sovereign with the organic curves of the Galaxy! The twin necks threw me off at first, but they eventually grew on me. The Odyssey -F is the best-looking Enterprise in my opinion.
You sir, are an absolute gigachad.
@@euanmorris7835 he hasn't seen what a bad chick the Mirror Lexington-Class Enterprise-F is. Currently flying the Refit Enterprise-E in STO and looking to get the Yorktown/Odyssey with that quantum torpedo Mission Pod. Gives my resupply ship something to fill up
I was never a big fan of the Galaxy class but i would take anything over the Odyssey class. Sovereign and Excelsior (B) class are my favorites.
"Obviously we can't use the E."
Everybody looks at Worf.
Worf: That was NOT MY FAULT!
The Sovereign-class is the most beautiful ship ever designed to grace the stars with her presence. She is sexy, tough, sleek and strong. She's everything you would want from a ship with an incredibly designed aesthetic and no structural weaknesses like the other Enterprise's.
The humor in this video was great. God, I love the "E." I wish they made more model kits for it.
Always love theses videos, but the "Puns" in this one where just fantastic.
Thanks and please keep them coming 💯💜
Thank you! Will do!
- Jack
This the best and most theatrical video you have ever produced! I love how the Enterprise E is one story while the reactions and journey of leftenant Adam become two more story layers. I feel your pain, Adam. All your arm-twisting was felt on this end! Yes, i got the (haha!) puns too. Brilliant'
I've always love the Enterprise E. The Sovereign Class is my favorite right now.
Big "E" will always have my heart with her beautiful lines and power!
Lt. Commander Adam is the only reason I subscribe to this channel.
Me too. 100%
I say this every Lt Commander Adam video.
I wish that TrekCulture had custom thumbnails for Adam's content, so it'd 100% clear when he's gracing us.
The Sovereign Class is my favorite Star Trek ship class. It had the classic Star Trek design - saucer connected to a secondary hull - yet they made it look advanced.
In contrast, outside of the Cut-and-Paste class of the last episode of season 2 of Picard, the Picard Era ships look like they're going backwards in terms of design. They didn't even give them new names, being neo this & that.
It's weird that we have both "Neo-Constitution" and "Excelsior II" like they can't even be consistent with the naming.
The E is my favourite Starship ever, hands down. Stunning design!
"... Taking his fantasy of being a lumber jack a bit too seriously..."
LMFAO!!!! I'm dead!!!!
i just found you today, and so far im loving your content lol your sense of humour is refreshing.
My favorite is always going to be the TOS Enterprise that I grew up with in the 60's, but my other favorites are the refit Enterprise-A and Enterprise-E for sure...
I absolutely love the nemesis changes to the nacelle repositioning and shuttle area smoothening in to the secondary hull.
my 2 favourites are the NX-01(including the refit design) and Enterprise - E
I really enjoyed your video. well done. Very Entertaining!
The story from STO is, after nemesis Data took command of the enterprise E, it was then destroyed in a battle fighting species 8472. Then the Enterprise F was made.
Retconned to worf causing it's destruction
NCC-1701-E is my favorite version of the Starship Enterprise. I remember sitting in the theater watching “Star Trek: First Contact” when Starship Enterprise-E first appeared on the screen. The entire audience gasped and then said: “OOOOOOHHH!” That was the most beautiful Starship I had ever seen…
4:50 - I like the idea that 2 of the decks are classified, and Picard didn't tell Lily Sloan about them because she didn't need to know. Maybe that's where they keep the dolphins?
And the giant rubber duck.
@@imranbecks Yes, the Giant Rubber Duck that the Dolphins play with during their off hours. It makes sense that its kept in the same area.
How funny! You asked “Does Data have a death wish” and, as we learned when he & Lore did their best Decker/V’Ger impression, that answer is mos-def, “Yes!”
My personal favourite Enterprise, and one of my favourite designs in Trek (Second to the Intrepid). In-universe it does make sense the ship didn't last that long; despite Starfleet's best efforts, the 'E' did seem to get into a lot of major battles, regardless of the fact that a lot of those battles are either when she was badly outnumbered or against opponents who thoroughly out-class her, but because she remembered to get her Plot Armour installed, she wins, but did mean she probably had a few more miles on the clock than her age suggested.
Always between the E and the C for my favorite. The C's pylons bug me, but I really like the simple saucer and stouter neck, the positions of the weapons, the blue deflector, and of course the nacelles themselves.
Another great video from Commander Adam!!! 🖖
I have to say, most Star Trek ship break downs come across as stale, boring, and sometimes barely watchable.
THIS video is NOT, that. I kept finding myself laughing and nodding my head in agreement.
Well done to everyone who had a hand in it. The writing, the voice over, and editing were all top notch.
Hi Adam, we LOVE your sense of humour that you add into your presentation...keep up the Awesome work...😜
The D is probably my favorite, but if you really look at the B, it's a very good looking ship.
I was disappointed by the B. I liked the Excelsior, but when they added the dumb "wings" to the secondary hull for the B, it ruined the ship's lines.
@@jcraigwilliams70 I was never a fan of the Excelsior. To me at least, it looked as if it were pregnant. TOS Enterprise, the Refit Enterprise and Enterprise A are very difficult to top for looks.
@classicgalactica5879 the Constitution refit is the most beautiful ship Starfleet has ever had. I'd love a series set in that Era just to see more of that design.
@@jcraigwilliams70 So would I. That would be awesome.
Cheers Adam
Obviously Deck 13 is skipped in the numbering because it's an unlucky number. Also Deck 22 because that's an unlucky number on Vulcan. So there are 24 physical decks, but the twenty-fourth deck is referred to a Deck 26.
I'm just fascinated by you lively and serious, but comedic commentary, Left Tennant, Commander Adam. We , here in the Caribbean have our own style of speaking the queens.... " ermmr", Kings English. Through by our parents. Much appreciate it sir.... Proceed.....
Gotta love all those pianos in space.
you are so right I cannot unsee the turkey in the pan
The Sovereign class just wasn't nearly as well thought out as the Galaxy class. The fact that no one can even definitively say how many decks there are is a perfect example. I really tried to like the Sovereign class but never could. I was really grateful when the D was restored in Picard season 3.
Yep... I like the Galaxy class way more than the Sovereign. Everything in star trek after TNG all looks like kitbash. The last "new" ship I liked was Defiant class. I hated voyager and the whole "configurable nacelles" gimmick.
Star Trek is effectively just Space D & D now. It's full bore fantasy now with nothing based on anything remotely sciency. At least the old ones tried.
Enterprise - Air Craft Carrier Enterprise - Space Shuttle Enterprise - Rent a Car
I dunno. The E is fine but far from my favorite. The D is just so iconic and sleek looking. It’s hard to top that for the TNG era for me. Also really like the refit 1701 (prefer it to the TOS version).
I hate how flat it is.
easiest deck explanation would be that perhaps there are only 24 habitable decks and that when referring to the ship as an environment that's how they'd be summarized, but they'd still be numbered accurately, so Deck 26 could be the 24th deck where people routinely are found and a couple interstitial decks are just technical access and conduit and such.
Alandra La Forge mention there's something in "Hangar Bay 12", I theorized that it might be either the Enterprise-D or the Enterprise-E.
Maybe the two extra decks was emergency sleeping quarters, or extra storage bins areas for parts .
Apparently, she was originally going to be named Uss honorius. ( but they changed it yo enterprise after d was destroyed) . Honorius was the last roman emporer. ( mentioned by picard in best of both worlds part one )
Um no he wasn’t. Technically Romulus Augustulus was the “last Western Roman Emperor” but even that isn’t entirely accurate, e cause there was another one in charge of a province in the west but the last Roman Emperor was Constantine XI who died when the capital Constantinople fell to the Ottomans.
Simple explanation for the deck discrepancy in first contact.
1. It;s a brand new ship / command
2. Picard is under incredible stress and fear and PTSD.
3. Picard is pushing if not just over 60 years old at this point in his career.
In my head cannon, the Enterprise E had 30 decks at launch, but some of them were double, triple or quadruple deck height in size. Either to accommodate storage space, hardware or some specific mission profile modules and when they went through refit, some of the double decks were converted to a standard deck. Maybe the computer cores were upgraded, the new one was smaller so they had room to modify the internals to add deck space. For example they may have decks 8, 9, 10, 11, 15, 18, 19, and 20 in that order and deck 11 would include 4 deck in height, while deck 15 would include 3 decks in height. So in First Contact, the borg may have reached deck numbered 26, in a ship with 24 physical decks.
Maybe some of these bigger decks were shuttle manufacturing and shuttle space that is useful for an explorer in deep space, but became less useful in its later years when exploration became less of a focus.
If Eddington didn't surrender, Sisko was gonna get Chuck Norris to get in the Torpedo Bay, poised in Dragon Kick position and go after another colony. There would be no evacuation.
I (by far) prefer you to any of the other presenters, I don't click away when I hear your voice, but the others just seem to spew words AT me instead of including me in a one-sided conversation.
Thank you, MY Captain.
(LC's become 'Captains' when taking the helm).
The thing that makes me dislike the Enterprise-F greatly is the thin, and split, neck design connecting the primary and secondary hulls. This completely ignores the wisdom Enterprise-E designers to protect against such a weakness. Otherwise, the rest of the ship is fine with me, not that my opinions matters lol :)
I'm not a fan of the F. Glad it's being decommissioned. I don't really view it as an Enterprise. The E is a beauty!
NX Refit breakdown please
Let me fix the plot hole. We could just say there was an extra 2 (3? 4? Whatever you like) decks on the bottom of the ship that are not commonly used and contain mostly equipment. Technically the ship has more than 24 decks but you wouldn't be incorrect for saying it only has 24, as the bottom decks are not often counted. Kind of like how you wouldn't count 3 basements on a skyscraper as actual floors. There. It can't b a proper plot hole if it's solved by a simple explanation.
Always my thought on that. That and maybe the pylons and the tiny little bits hanging lower in that back were separate decks.
Commonly known as "the bilge"
Never thought the inconsistencies of deck number was a big deal but 😅😅😅😅
Or a simpler explanation…the same way that basements aren’t counted as sq footage of a residence …for absolutely zero reason.
That doesn't really work though. Deck 42 of the Galaxy class is clearly deck 42. There are vast area's left unfinished as well, as well as some decks that contain ships systems and such (antimatter pods on deck 42, transfer conduits, etc) but those decks are still counted. On Voyager, the episode "Good Shepard" clearly shows deck 15 containing nothing but ships systems, yet is still considered deck 15. I think ultimately it is just a writers mistake. A refit could explain deck 26, but not in the same movie. Deck 29? No way without significantly altering the shape. The in-uni reason could be simple, the characters misspoke...but that is a stretch too. I say split the diff and embrace the cognitive dissonance. First contact? 24 decks....i am going with Picard. Nemesis? I can see a couple more (very small in sq. footage albeit) decks having been added in the refit, so 26 decks onwards.
I always liked the headcanon, that starfleet was unable to field any soverign class ships and especially the Enterprise because the Dominion would instantly recognize it's moral value and just plow a small fleet into it (like they did the Galaxy class in their turf) demoralizing everyone who would witness yet another Enterprise being destroyed so fast. Recognizing that threat the Enterprise and her Sisters would be relegated to non dominion affairs to avoid that disaster.
Vesta: I could have been the Enterprise-F
Odyssey: You wish that you, huh 😂😂😂
You got Picard taking over the F... THE D IS BACK BABY!!
My personal favorite has always been the 1701 Refit Enterprise and will continue to be so. The Enterprise-E is a thing a beauty but there's ALWAYS been inconsistencies throughout Trek's history. It did bug me that they kept changing the number of decks for the Enterprise-E. I mean hell I think they kept the same number of decks for the 1701 Refit and for sure the Enterprise-D. Oh and let us not forget Voyager. They did change the number of decks for the Defiant (DS9) a couple of times but not as bad as for the E-E.
By the way I'm curious why was most of the footage from the films shown swapped? It looked just....odd.
Thanks for this video Adam as always I enjoy videos that you do as well as Jack. I laughed a lot with the way how you had your humor in this.
WHAT BUGS ME IS PPL WHO DONT LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD!GETTIN ANNOYED OVER THINGS THAT DONT EXISTS.GET A LIFE POL
My favourite Enterprise is the C just love that ship, although not seen in her own right she is still a awesome ship. Just love the commentary you do in these videos well awesome.
I love how the D felt like a smart but friendly manta ray or whale shark, where as the E looks like a very smart shark or barracuda that doesn't break eye contact with you.
22:57 In fairness, that was Deanna Troi both times.
I don’t get why they didn’t give the Sovereign more time. It has so much advancement especially against the borg and even regular enemies. If it can adapt against the borg it should be even more effective against regular enemies. According to STP Atleast Star Fleet did create a LOT of Sovereign class ships.
The refit Enterprise from the original movie is my favorite (I grew up watching TOS and saw ST The Motion Picture in theaters) but the E is definitely my 2nd favorite. It just looks like a badass.
Now that i think about the new nacelle pylons and the 29 decks..maybe the fact that the nacelles sat higher makes up for the 3 additional decks...
There are 26 decks but section 31 occupy the 2 decks so to the crews point of view there is indeed 24 decks. Lol
*the super secret upper decks not included in "official" non high security schematics were in all probability (or at least in my own personal head canon) highly refined holodeck research labs that could rapidly generate prototype weapons or tools (while at high warp) then have the plans for them directed to one of the large scale replicators...reducing the need for constant refits at remote starbases*
taking from history, the USS enterprise during the war had a few nicknames one of them being "The Big E" since this is the USS Enterprise E i feel like the Big E would work as a nick name as well
The Sovereign Class saucer sit on the secondary hull. No structural weakness on that class
"Dramatic f***ing overkill." Guiding design philosophy of Enterprise E Starfleet engineering team, obviously. XD
You know what, my new headcanon is that the deck inconsistency is about a really petty dispute over what counts as a deck.
Bummed it's not in Picard Season 3. My favorite Enterprise.
Sovereign-class design team room.
We have taken a designer to found the Enterprise A, the Excelsior class, the intrepid class in a single concept. And I raised it to the size of a Galaxy class. And we liked the visual design so much that we're going to make another class of a tiny size to take care of exploration in certain missions like the Oberth class and its successors.
Over the next two months, I want to see you scattered throughout the Federation, looking for every cutting-edge weapon system that is in development, every system that catches your eye. And I don't want guns, I want huge guns... and many of them. Don't forget the biggest and most powerful shields. It will be our job to find a way to put and feed them properly. Skipping the mental schemes... And if to do that, we need to adapt the weapons systems of starbases, so be it.
It's time to get to work. Dismiss.
i like kirks enterprise.
No one would dare diss a Connie
Enterprise A “the refit” is the one that will go down in history.
I missed her. A bit dissapointed about her absence in Star Trek Picard. I like the Sovereign more than the Galaxy Enterprise. In Star Trek Online, this Sovereign class is my flagship, the most favourite one
Lieutenant commander adam has the best voice for these videos
The D and the E were my favorites of all time. :)
E is my favourite enterprise.
I’ve always loved the Enterprise D but this enterprise is by far my favorite and I love the technology this one has! Poor star Drive
Decades later, and this is still the best-looking ship in all Star Trek.
As far as the upgrades go.. it reminds me of US fighter jets... The stopped using letters and started using "Block XX" for revisions.
0:51 wait, my gender is badass 90's starship now? does this mean i have to apologize to everyone that ever told me they identity as an attack helicopter for laughing at them?
When I saw a new Star Trek movie, I always looked for new starships named enterprise, especially after st generations. The only starship that EVER had me on the edge of seat, completely enraptured, was the 1701 refit in st tmp. No other ship has ever elicited an "oh my" like she did. Where grace and aesthetic beauty were concerned, she was the best ever, hands down!
For me the Oh my was the original Constitution class starship from TOS. I love the Saucer from that ship, for me it’s just perfect.
Always loved the sovereign design and to be honest i grew up with the movies and next generation as a kid in the 90's i thought the origional constitution design was ok but not wow but the excelsior now that was a nice sleek designed ship which is probably why i love the sovereign design so much.
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Data having a deathwish was something that was discussed in one of the TNG episodes where. Data was contemplating programming a subroutine that would terminate him at a predetermined time after one of enterprise-d crew member commited suicide.
I usually love your reviews on this channel but this time it was almost hard to listen to At times I thought you were going crazy. Maybe relax a little LOL But I did like the video. always loved the enterprise E! product
3:55 I remember in Star Trek V they had 78 decks during the booster rocket shoes scene...lmao!
That may be enterprise J decks...
Awesome video BTW - Im going to say something a bit crazy. Why not take the Defiant class design and just multiply that in a larger hulll/design. The Defiant is more powerful than most larger class ships. So why not replicate that in a larger redundant hull and then slather it with similar/newer weapon systems. Add the Voayage ablative armor tech and shields it would be quite the ship. So far, "they" have not made a formidable ship. Even the Soverin is outclassed.
Yeah, I don't know... Great video! I still think there should be at least 2 more videos to describe the Enterprise E though... 🤭😉😂
I tought those last two decks were not completed until Tuesday
8:38
these two should have had their own show, honestly.
that same back and forth, as depicted here, but with Anson in the yellow uniform of SNW, and her as his wife constantly putting him in place.
kind of what O'Brien's home scenes were in DS9, but a lot more high stakes.