facebones, email kristie@shocksurplus.com with the subject 'customer service escalation' - i agree, not acceptable to be playing the 1x response a day game to get something solved.
Not sure yet, ARB keeps yanking us around, saying they want to send us a set, or letting us drive their MT64 equipped vehicle, but then ghosting us after. Our Tacomas are tied up on other suspension timelines right now, Bilstein 8112 / Fox Performance Elite are next, then maybe MT64. Hopefully by then we get an install done on a customer vehicle and use that as the review platform.
Hands down, MT64's for the win. I have the entire front and rear suspension kit on my Taco and, when heavy, the ride is like a very well behaved Cadillac; plush where it should be and tightly controlled the rest of the time. When not loaded, my truck handles like a dang sportscar and takes turns like it's on rails. The ONLY thing that I don't like is that it costs roughly $500 anytime you want to adjust the spring/ride height to match your build. The tolerances are super tight between the coil and that beefy shock body, so getting your own tools in there just isn't in the cards and you HAVE to take it somewhere to have it adjusted; and then, of course, there's the re-alignment and all that fun crap you have to pay for as well. Even with all that though, I would still gladly take these again any day of the week. I love the MT64's
How is it with daily driving like small bumps in the road at low speeds or potholes at high speeds? I read they are very stiff and you feel everything.
@@garrettlopez915 I feel that much must be taken into consideration when choosing this setup. It comes with three varying degrees of springs (light, medium, heavy) that you can choose from, so it is somewhat customizable. I chose heavy because I run a 12k winch up front on a steel bumper and my cage, decked system and soft-topper are always on the truck, not to mention the rock sliders and under body armor. That said, yes, you do pretty much feel everything in the road when your running light, but I don't think it's in an entirely bad way. I find that the suspension works as intended and the chatter in the cab is by no means overly irritating. At highway speeds, the truck will skip just a bit if you hit a pothole while running light, but you are able to stay in complete control. I personally would much rather be able to feel the road rather than plush over everything, but I suppose it all boils down to personal preference. I will say that I find that even with a heavy spring setup. the suspension soaks up 95% or more of what the road throws at it without issue. The cab stays level and the suspension does all of the work, as it should be; it doesn't ride anywhere near as rough as some people make out. At low speeds and off road, I'm able to feel the road through the wheel with ease and I don't find it jarring at all. If that isn't something that you like, then this may not be for you. My Taco's a manual, so I prefer to feel and connect to everything. Road trips are super comfy and the only noise that I found came from the humming of the R/T tires. If you want more customizations, go with the BP-51's; you can then set it wherever you like. If you prefer one and done (set it and forget it), then these are a great all arounder.
As a rule, lift as little as possible, and clearance the larger tire, as needed. Every inch you lift, you take away from droop, start messing up your geometry, and your ability to flex.
@@71Neness Looks like my comment got split in two lol, it had the link, but here it is again. Now, they don't make an MT64 vid, BUT, this is as close as I could find. Anyone with any decent mechanical skill can follow it and it's on a Gen 3 Taco, so...
@@71Neness Only 1 small difference in the rear; if you installing the shocks in the rear as well, do know that you will not be able to mount them in the stock location. They do come with mounting hardware and will be about 1.5 inch or so off of the stock location. Lemme know if you have questions because there is no vid on that and it was a wtf surprise to me.
how long have you had the 6112? warranty? the Icon EXP are meant for factory springs, we wouldn't run the OME springs on there, but then again i dont think we've heard of anyone doing so.
What do you recommend for softer on road ride quality slow off road? Eibach stage 2 or Old man Emu? Or maybe other recommendation? I have bilstein 6112 and they are too stiff. Thank you!
not specifically, but on a tundra yes, similar weight. well controlld, and you can rip offroad. hit us up with your year and what you're thinking and we can dive in - support@shocksurplus.com
much different shocks, while they're close in body-thickness spec, internals are basically opposite end of the spectrum. What vehicle do you have and what kind of driving do you plan on with the new setup? support@shocksurplus.com
@@rons4778 brother you have no idea what you are talking about I literally book the containers from bilstein they get rebranded lmao but you do you know it all
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I appreciate the explanation & your hard work.
Great video. 👍🏾
When will we get a real world test of MT64’s from you guys?
facebones, email kristie@shocksurplus.com with the subject 'customer service escalation' - i agree, not acceptable to be playing the 1x response a day game to get something solved.
Not sure yet, ARB keeps yanking us around, saying they want to send us a set, or letting us drive their MT64 equipped vehicle, but then ghosting us after. Our Tacomas are tied up on other suspension timelines right now, Bilstein 8112 / Fox Performance Elite are next, then maybe MT64.
Hopefully by then we get an install done on a customer vehicle and use that as the review platform.
@@ShockSurplusI’m in Iowa… you can use mine 😂
which one better MT64 or bilstein 6112 for 4runner?
Bilstein 6112 or Old Man Emu MT64 for a 4runner? #overland #toyota4x4 #offroad
Great review mate 👍
cheers, hope it helps!
Love this channel!🤙🔥
Hands down, MT64's for the win. I have the entire front and rear suspension kit on my Taco and, when heavy, the ride is like a very well behaved Cadillac; plush where it should be and tightly controlled the rest of the time. When not loaded, my truck handles like a dang sportscar and takes turns like it's on rails. The ONLY thing that I don't like is that it costs roughly $500 anytime you want to adjust the spring/ride height to match your build. The tolerances are super tight between the coil and that beefy shock body, so getting your own tools in there just isn't in the cards and you HAVE to take it somewhere to have it adjusted; and then, of course, there's the re-alignment and all that fun crap you have to pay for as well.
Even with all that though, I would still gladly take these again any day of the week. I love the MT64's
thanks for the feedback! glad they're working out for you. very interesting about making the adjustments again
How is it with daily driving like small bumps in the road at low speeds or potholes at high speeds? I read they are very stiff and you feel everything.
@@garrettlopez915 I feel that much must be taken into consideration when choosing this setup. It comes with three varying degrees of springs (light, medium, heavy) that you can choose from, so it is somewhat customizable. I chose heavy because I run a 12k winch up front on a steel bumper and my cage, decked system and soft-topper are always on the truck, not to mention the rock sliders and under body armor.
That said, yes, you do pretty much feel everything in the road when your running light, but I don't think it's in an entirely bad way. I find that the suspension works as intended and the chatter in the cab is by no means overly irritating. At highway speeds, the truck will skip just a bit if you hit a pothole while running light, but you are able to stay in complete control. I personally would much rather be able to feel the road rather than plush over everything, but I suppose it all boils down to personal preference. I will say that I find that even with a heavy spring setup. the suspension soaks up 95% or more of what the road throws at it without issue. The cab stays level and the suspension does all of the work, as it should be; it doesn't ride anywhere near as rough as some people make out. At low speeds and off road, I'm able to feel the road through the wheel with ease and I don't find it jarring at all. If that isn't something that you like, then this may not be for you. My Taco's a manual, so I prefer to feel and connect to everything. Road trips are super comfy and the only noise that I found came from the humming of the R/T tires.
If you want more customizations, go with the BP-51's; you can then set it wherever you like. If you prefer one and done (set it and forget it), then these are a great all arounder.
Now I’d like to see a real test between the Bilstein 8112 and the OME BP51.
the 8112s can outpace the BP51. source = me driving both in the Tacoma
@ I thought as much. Now the only question is whether they make / will make 8112s suitable for the 200 series Landcruiser.
MT64 says 2 to 3inch lift on muddify site, on ARB websites they say it provides 2.5 inch lift only.
I’m just as confused about the lift height options they talk about what your car is loaded with but no actual numbers in height.
Is it better to run the MT64 0-2” lift option or the 2-3” option for a 2” lift on a 2019 taco.
As a rule, lift as little as possible, and clearance the larger tire, as needed. Every inch you lift, you take away from droop, start messing up your geometry, and your ability to flex.
Could I buy just the MT64 shock and use the 886 spring that I already have with the shock?
@shocksurplus
Any hope for the promised GM MT64 fitments?
Would you make a video about how to install the MT64 on a 3rd Gen Tacoma?
BTW, they are split into two episodes/parts, front and rear; be sure to watch both if your installing the entire suspension
@@gabrielreyes8476I don’t think they did make any videos yet on how to install the MT64. If you have any links I’d be interested!
@@71Neness Looks like my comment got split in two lol, it had the link, but here it is again. Now, they don't make an MT64 vid, BUT, this is as close as I could find. Anyone with any decent mechanical skill can follow it and it's on a Gen 3 Taco, so...
@@71Neness Only 1 small difference in the rear; if you installing the shocks in the rear as well, do know that you will not be able to mount them in the stock location. They do come with mounting hardware and will be about 1.5 inch or so off of the stock location. Lemme know if you have questions because there is no vid on that and it was a wtf surprise to me.
I would and probably should have, but I've long since installed these on my truck
What are the best coilovers and shocks for maximum comfort off road on a F-150? King?
some custom tuned fox 2.5 or king 2.5
2021 tundra, currently have 6112, but leaking oil. Will my springs fit on Icon exp? If no can I use an OME spring on the icons?
how long have you had the 6112? warranty? the Icon EXP are meant for factory springs, we wouldn't run the OME springs on there, but then again i dont think we've heard of anyone doing so.
What do you recommend for softer on road ride quality slow off road? Eibach stage 2 or Old man Emu? Or maybe other recommendation? I have bilstein 6112 and they are too stiff. Thank you!
I have a 4 door bronco black diamond non sasquatch.
@@carlospereira6702fox 2.0
Any real world tests of the icons on a Silverado 1500?
not specifically, but on a tundra yes, similar weight. well controlld, and you can rip offroad. hit us up with your year and what you're thinking and we can dive in - support@shocksurplus.com
What is the ride difference between MT64 and the other 2
depends on how high you set it and which spring you pick
Which is better IRONMAN FOAMCELL PRO or MT64?
much different shocks, while they're close in body-thickness spec, internals are basically opposite end of the spectrum. What vehicle do you have and what kind of driving do you plan on with the new setup?
support@shocksurplus.com
I think the MT64 is 2.8inch body.
OME is Bilstein shocks with Kings shocks.. I work for ARB
not sure what this means
@@ShockSurplus king springs*** sorry its a local aussie brand. OME is owned by ARB
😆😅🤣😂
OME is definitely not Bilstein just have look on the body they are Monroe made in Adelaide Australia
@@rons4778 brother you have no idea what you are talking about I literally book the containers from bilstein they get rebranded lmao but you do you know it all