Fleet manager here. I just wanted to give people an update on my companies fleet of trucks and how the 7.3L V8 has changed our company. We have run 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for hot shot running here in Texas and South Dakota for years and would use strickly diesel trucks. Unfortunately, the costs to operate diesels has doubled in the last 10 years, and the EPA B.S. on these trucks have killed the longevity of the motors. In the 2000s and 2010s our older pre-EPA diesels would go half a million miles before we would replace them. We usually did a hard overhaul at 250,000 and they would easily go another 250k before replacement. Diesels now are barely making it to 200,000 without major overhaul, and when they are overhauled they only go 350,000'ish total miles. So, over the last 18 months we have dramatically shifted our truck lines and have replaced 11 trucks of the 25 that we have with 7.3L V8 F-350 trucks single wheel. These trucks are fantastic. They not only get excellent towing mileage but cost a tremendous amount of money less in maintenance. We still will keep 10 diesel trucks that are F-450 for maximum towing capabilities, but everything else is 7.3L V8 trucks. We already have a two trucks that are over 100,000 miles on them, and outside of oil changes and tires not a dime has gone into them. The savings in maintenance is huge when you have a fleet. So, if you are going to tow between 10,000-15,000 lbs this is a must have motor. We do between 11k-18k 5th wheel towing for the majority of our loads (25k-30k towing for our diesel trucks but those loads are much more rare) and the 7.3L V8 eats it up.
Replying for reference. Thank you. One thing I think that gets completely ignored by the EPA crowd is the environmental impact of a large diesel engine NOT lasting and being replaced or an entirely new truck being manufactured and purchased. Are they factoring that in during their crusade??? I doubt it.
My experience tells me, on long highway drives. Speed effects milage big time. My 6.4 with 4:10s has the power to cruise at 80mph for 5 hours straight. But at 2100rpm it will average 12.5 MPG. But if I drop the speed down to 65mph or roughly 1850rpm , it will get 17MPG. The trick is to slow down.
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Regarding the Ram mileage with the 8 speed vs. the 6 speed. At highway speeds the mileage should not differ. The gear ratios of 4, 5, and 6 vs 6, 7, and 8 are almost identical. The difference between the two transmissions are the lower gears.
The transmission design is totally different ZF claims something like a 98% efficiency in all gears where the 6 speed it replaced was probably only 96% in overdrive. Basically the ZF has all but one clutch locked up at all times where a traditional auto has all but one clutches unlocked at all times which creates more friction. Also the ZF keeps the torque converter locked up more. So a lot of the efficiency comes from better design.
My experience with the big Hemi has been it really needs some miles to break in. I’ve seen a 20% improvement in fuel mileage since the truck was new. With 4.10 gears I was seeing 15 MPG pure highway when I first bought it, now it’s hovering around 18 MPG depending on the wind. I also run the recommended 89 octane fuel and OE spec oil.
Ryan Bevilacqua no, not really. Bigger tires and wheels means heavier rotating mass which kills fuel economy more than lower rpms will ever help. Been proven countless times. Also, the taller the truck the more wind drag, thus lower economy.
I have a 2018 power wagon, with a K&N 77 Series intake and a magnaflow free flow exhaust. I average about 18 overall. And I found that this truck happy spot is around 65-70. Best MPG I ever got was 19.2 about a 800 miles trip. Just cruising
That is an excellent result for a truck that's lifted and on 37's. Not to mention a gas truck to boot. Not bad at all. I was expecting between 16-18 For the Dodge and 11-13 for the Ford. Well done!
About the same as my 2012 Cummins on some longer trips at speed limit with cruise on. It’s gotten 15mpg twice on two trips from Indiana to Missouri. One stock and one with 100hp emissions intact tune. Recently set a new record of 16mpg for a trip a couple weeks ago. Maybe at 110,000 it’s finally broke in. 😁
I drove my stock F150 XLT Sport crewcab 4x4 5.0 with the 3.31, 36 gallon tank and a tonneau cover from Lorain, OH to Fountain, CO and back. I80 out, I70 back. A trip to the Royal Gorge when we were there. 3079 miles. I think we filled up 5 times. I managed 21 mpg. At +3 mph everywhere we went. It was even higher until I hit 75 mph zones and was doing 78 mph. 4 day trip, about 700 miles + a day. This is the second most comfortable vehicle I have driven in the last 11 years. The first mist comfortable would gave been a Peterbilt 389.
My 2019 F150 super crew 4x4 3.5 was at 22mpg after a 200 miles trip to houston, including running 85mph. And it makes more torque than that hemi by quite a bit. I ended my round trip at 19.8, but I did some city driving and hauled a boat while in houston.
@@enigma9789 I was just talking to my buddy who has an 18 with a 3.5 EcoBoost. The trucks are similar though. Crewcab 4x4. Not sure on his rearend though. I was wondering what his truck would have gotten for mpg, under the same circumstances. That's pretty good though.
@Jason Creech that's awesome on 35's. I was thinking I might put a modest lift, maybe 2 or 4 inches, and bigger tires on this truck after I own it, and my extended warranty is up.
@@steveawesome9538 Mine has the 3.55 with the electronic locker. its all stock and has 31k on it. I think the shutters in the front help alot. I did a short trip on back roads going about 60-65 for 50 miles and was sitting at 25mpg when I got there.
@@steveawesome9538 I usually tow a trailer about 50% of my driving though, and the ecoboost gets around the same as my 2wd 2011 5.0 but it pulls the trailer way better the 5.0 has 214k on it
One detail to note is the highest hill you climbed on this trip was the overpass exiting for the Iowa 80 truck stop. Between Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska and Eastern Colorado the topography could be much flatter. And as I remember, the mileage trip you did with the stock F250 was to Cali or Utah from Boulder. Anyway, nice vid!
Troy Strain While that is true, the original post references different transmissions...efficiency matters too. How much energy is lost while the transmission hunts for the most efficient gear certainly could be a factor.
Same here I've been asking the same thing. I have a 6.2/6 spd and bought it just to wait a few years until any issues if any can be ironed out with the 7.3 and 10 spd. But I'm curious how the 10spd would improve the 6.2.
Talking about the rear axle ratio without also talking about the transmission ratios is basically pointless in the modern world. In the days of a 1:1 final drive ratio, it made sense. Not now.
@@icare7151 ram needs to build a better truck all the way around to match ford. A fancy interior jammed into the 2010 cabs on an "Improved" chassis that has the exact same dimensions as the last 10 years is just not going to cut it lol
John Doe interior wise it is not, ram decided to keep the previous gen for the HD line so you get 2010 interior with 2020 tech vs Ford has a massive interior when they went to the aluminum in 2017.
David Alphin I've owned 4 rams, including a mega cab limited Cummins and they all had the same room as the new 19 model. They are also still bigger than the Ford and definitely bigger than GM.
Yea its all sweet and all but i just traded in my 2020 for the gmc 6.2 vortec 2018 i dont care for the newer style to bulky and actually get worse mpg than the 2018
My Dodge makes that exact same rattling noise that his did when he pulled out of the gas station. When I bought mine I took it back in and they replaced both banks of lifters and it still makes the same noise. They say it’s the hemi tick!
Both trucks did much better than I would have expected so good job to both. I assume the Ram trip odometer of 1051 miles was used in the calculation and was wondering what the Ford odometer reading was with the larger tires.
Like Andre, I’m also an immigrant to the US from the former USSR. I do appreciate America that’s inside its borders. But I don’t like what America is doing outside it’s borders.
Just made a trip from Fort Worth, Texas to Glendive, Montana and back, 2700 mile round trip. Driving my 2019 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel. 22 mpg average for the entire trip; 25 mpg average at 70 mph. I have the Laramie with all options except air suspension and sunroof. Paid $63K. Love the Tremor. I traded a 2018 Raptor for the Ram (needed something to tow with). Seriously considered the tremor with the 7.3, but wasn’t available at the time. Might trade up later.
IT's the larger tires. You effectively lowered the final drive from 3.55 to 3.08. At highway speeds you were probably running close to 4/500 rpm lower than normal.
The 3:55 or 3:73 has to be also considered along with the transmission gear ratio. So with 3:73 and 8 speed and whatever gear it was in cruising compared to 3:55 and 10 speed and whatever gear it cruised in. Then throw in the tire total diameter to that.
Couple things: Looks like the Ram has barely over 1,000 miles on it, so for sure not broken in yet. MPG's should increase as you approach 10,000 miles on the odometer. FCA mpg computer normal is to overstate mpg by about 10%, which you demonstrated with hand calculation. My 2016 Challenger overstates mpg too. I don't understand why FCA has not corrected this issue. My Challenger does deliver the mpg's stated on the Monroney, albeit not until I'd reached 10,000 odometer miles. At any rate, near 15 hwy mpg without payload or towing is pretty darn good given the capabilities of these two gassers.
$71,000! I just bought a F250 Tremor with the 7.3, for less $58,500 out the door. The thing is a beast. I go off roading with my buddy who has a Raptor, and the Tremor more than holds its own against it. When he is scrapping his tailpipes, the Tremor has more than enough clearance. It tractors through everything. All I have to do is pretty much put it in 4wd low, and mash the gas, and it gets through and over anything. Tons of fun. MPG? Who cares? You and your kids won’t remember anything that gets 40 mpg.
Reg Sparkes I was thinking the same thing the front of the ram looks terrible but I do like the backend the room looks pretty good from the rear and I do like the air suspension and five link but to me there’s no comparison on the two
my 2019 gets 19.5 doing 62 mph and 17.5 doing 70 , however it gets between 8.4 and 10 towing ten thousand and that includes a couple of 6 degree grade hills. Depends how patient i wanna be at the time. Have about 5,000 miles on it. 2019 Ram Tradesman ,2500 heavy duty ,6.4 Hemi, 8 speed, 4:10 gears.
I'm getting the same fuel economy in my 2003 5.4 Super Duty FX4 with the 5.4 2v gas engine and 4 speed auto. I don't know if I should be impressed with my truck or be disappointed with the new trucks.
Much better than the 12.3mpg average lifetime of my Black Ford 2017 5.0l 4x4 regular cab short bed. Though she's got many bolt on's. Magnaflow dual side exit exhaust, Airaid intake. Ford 1.5" lowering kit, removed stock blocks. All sorts of other mods but they are appearance stuff. She rides like a skateboard on broken pavement, but she looks good doing it. 😁👍
@@randomsomeone1617 I had to laugh at the "Black Ford" but then a remembered renting a black pathfinder and i had to use the ac all the time, even when it wasn't hot out...if it was sunny its baking hot in a black vehicle
I appreciate all reviews that the crew at tfl does for us gearheads. However, there remains one question: what about the ford 6.2+10-speed transmission?
@@40calDeathPunch It seems logical that having the tailgate down would create a larger space with low pressure and disrupt smooth air flow. Having the tailgate up would create another vertical surface that air would hit against and create wind resistance and another area of low pressure behind the tailgate. Since a tonneau cover lessens the area of low pressure behind the cab and eliminates the wind resistance created by the tailgate it seems logical that it would help improve mileage even if only slightly.
@@pilotguy1141 how many times are you going to make that stupid comment about nobody buying a truck for fuel economy? Of course nobody does but they may buy the one that will get 2mpg more.
@@leehancock2782 but the Ford has a bigger lift... so that makes up they difference, they are essentially the same milage and Ford has WAY more low-end power with their 7.3
@@walter777smith6 you think 15 MPG in a full size 3/4 ton truck is bad? I would love to I droid with you to my 8.1 with a Allison trans. Since when does anyone buy a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck for fuel mileage?
You can get much cheaper. I got a 2500 tradesmen with chrome package, 12” screen, carpet w floor liners, spray in bed liner , bed step, 5th wheel package, 4wd for $44,000 otd here in FL. 2020 model.
For some folks the gas motor is a better option. I live in the city 2 miles from the office. I tow heavy just a couple time per year. Gas makes way more sense.
MAYBE in the trucks they don't, but elsewhere those extra gears are literally touted as mattering for just that by the very bastards that made the things so yeah............
8th in the ZF is a .667 and f-250 10th is a .632 Ram uses a 3.73 Ford uses a 3.55 Ram has a higher cruising RPM. Ram will tow in 7th and f-250 will probably tow in 8th. Both are .84
Ford with a 3:55 rear and Ram with 3:73. That's another 2plus mpg. If the Ram was a 3:55 as well Honestly you all are notorious for doing tests with different rear end gears. On the highway for sustained speeds 3:55 vs 3:73 is quite significant. You guy did the same thing in the ford, ram chevy test. You all seem quite bias to the Fords. Don't believe me.... look at your older videos. I have been watching for years. With that. At 71k for the Ram, i would just go with the Cummins model . It gets over 20 mpg no problem at 70mph and below
The Ford has a big disadvantage. It’s not stock they ruined its aero and rolling resistance because they cut the chin spoiler and changed the tires. You think it’s biased toward the Ford but actually the opposite.
@@ehabaleid1093 yes 100% bias to Ford.. they never pick trucks that are alike. Of course the Ford will make less mpg due to its mods. But the tires help and hurt, hurt because more mass, help because they are bigger so lower highway rpms. Many performance mods actually make the vehicle more efficient and give even better fuel efficiency. At the end of the day this video is perfect proof of my issue. This is apples to oranges. With that said, look at their history, even stock vs stock they never get similar gearing or options. They will get a fully loaded Ram or Chevy (heavier) with towing gears and put it up against a lower model Ford with highway gears. OR they will do a tow test and the ford will come with 4:10-4:11 rear gears and some how the ram and chevy will have a 3:42 or 3:73 rear gear. 🤔 Lets see a review with similar set up and gears. No bias here i just want to see an apple to apple run. So we as buyers can really see what it what.
@Der Schwindel no its you that's the "fanboy" (seems you are mad and your snowflake feelings are hurt) i have owned Ford chevy and Rams. I go with the best truck for my needs at the time. They all have their own pros and cons. I will say, i see Chevy/GMC starting to slip off the radar. They have been playing catch up for a few years now with no sign of catch up. Those are facts. Look at Truck sales.
That 10 speed and rear in the Ford must make a big difference. Does the Ford have cylinder deactivation as well? Until the 2021 Ram redesign it looks like the Ford is the better gasser. Thanks Andre!
Ford has never had any form of cylinder deactivation. Ford approaches fuel economy by cutting weight (aluminum body), the others rely on engine gimmicks to get max mpg.
Thank you for the comparison. Both trucks sound as though they are great trucks. They may slow down the fleet diesel sales. Those 5,000 miles diesel oil changes and 10,000 mile fuel changes costs add up quickly. Keep those videos coming.
If he was following you like shown in each video clip, the Ford has a huge advantage due to drafting. I can see my MPGs climb whenever I get behind other big trucks and interstates
My 6.2 liter ford with 3.73’s gets 11.5 city and 13.8 hwy. makes me cry, especially now. I really would like a Power Wagon but the payments plus fuel expense just has me looking the other way every time I pass the dealership. 16.4 mpg at 7 minutes in the Ram.
What octane are you using in both vehicles? I know that FCA recommends 89 for the 6.4 Hemi. How about the Ford? Also, it would be great to see what the MPG is on both after they are fully broken in.
My 2016 RAM Laramie 6.4 Hemi has always had an optimistic trip computer. Usually shows a full gallon better than real world calculations. But I knew that going in.
Easy...have excellent credit and a good down payment. Know exactly what you can honestly afford. Run multiple payment scenarios before you head to the dealer. Always take advantage of deep discounts, rebates and offers. I just got my 50k 2020 Ram 2500 crewcab for 44k, before my down payment. If you don't have good credit, you are at the mercy of the dealer.
@@methings287 Unfortunately these days (Apr-May 2021) dealers are not dealing on new or used trucks. They want MSRP and they are getting it, worst of luck. They do give a decent return on your used truck if it's in good or better condition. However they are selling the heavy duty trucks as fast as they get them.
Great video Andre. Hopefully the Ram didn't lead the whole trip. Drafting would improve the Fords mpg. Both trucks look good. My son had that Ram for a year and he got much better mpg than your numbers.
If I remember correctly the new GM HD 6.6 gas did better on a none towing test than both new Ford and Ram, with same gear ratio as Ram. A same day Ike gauntlet test with all three at the lowest trucks towing capability is needed and same gear. I'm pretty they all do 3.73 right now. That would be a fun video.
Too bad GM decided to drop the ball on the transmission, then have the nerve to ask just as much if not more than a similar equipped Ford. So lets see here what's new for 2020: Ford: New 7.3 engine, AND a 10 speed Dodge: Same 6.4 engine and gets upgraded to an 8 speed GM: New 6.6 Gas engine and the same old 6 speed. When they have access to a capable 10 speed or even an 8 speed. Absolutely ridiculous. Brand new, all new truck and in usual GM fashion they are already behind the competition.
Grew up 20 minutes away from that truck stop. You should have kept on going. It's basically a museum with some pumps. Pretty cool if you never been to a place like that. There's an itty-bitty little tiny town right by that place called Walcott. There is absolutely no reason for you to ever go to Walcott
Remember folks, the Mopar dealers generally are WELL below the MSRP given on the sticker, and this show. Typically the most affordable trucks on the market.
I am not sure if the 2500 is the same as the 1500, but I had to go into the settings to turn on the MDS, the eco light will turn on when it switches to 4 cylinders. I have seen an increase of almost 4 MPG since doing this and can now notice when it goes back and forth. I thought it was automatic, but maybe not.
@HalfShell Are you tech for FCA? The light is not on all the time, only when the system is on, and I can tell the difference as opposed to before I turned it on. You can say what you want, but I know the MPG and feeling has changed when it comes out of MDS.
Ford doesn't stand behind their products as I found out with my 2018 F150 2.7 and 2019 F150 5.0, so regardless of how it performs I'll never own another one.
@@abominablestormtroopersnow4510 I picked up a 2020 GMC Sierra 1500 Elevation with the 3.0 Duramax and I couldn't be happier! I'm very impressed with it's mpg and it has more than enough power to tow my 30ft toy hauler with ease. The Tundra is a solid truck from everything I've heard but the mpg isn't that great and at the time I was looking in February it was still the same old, outdated design so it was a hard pass for me.
@@jtugwell The 2018 with the 2.7 had misfiring on cylinders 2 and 5 at about 29k and the dealership was unable to fix it after having it over a month and throwing a boat load of new parts at it. It also had multiple oil leaks from the valve cover gasket, turbo fittings and the stupid plastic oil pan. I chalked that one up to just a bad unit and bought a brand new 2019 5.0 XLT that at about 10k miles was burning oil like crazy and knocking (also had raw oil dripping out of the exhaust). I took the 2019 to three seperate dealerships who all had the same BS script to tell me it's all good. They even said raw oil coming from the exhaust wont effect the emissions equipment (which is a straight up lie). I ended up getting Ford corporate involved and the woman who had my case said "I spoke with our engineers and it's normal". I've worked on cars most of my life and at no point is a knocking engine that's burning oil "normal". After they refused to even acknowledge there was a problem I decided after almost 20 years of driving nothing but Ford it was time to ditch the brand.
I really don't like the MDS on the Rams but I absolutely prefer it over the engine shutting off every time you stop. It'd be nice if auto mfg could just make vehicles again without all the emission regulations.
Diesel is only worth it if you haul heavy loads often. Fuel obviously hs been higher the last 10-15 yrs, but fuel filters and oil changes are 2x the cost. And the emissions THAT WILL FAIL are thousands.
Well i just picked up a new 2020 F350 with the 7.3 and in the few days i have had it i can tell it has way more get up an go then the 2018 power wagon that i new last summer dont get me wrong i liked my power wagon for what it was but this new F350 with this 7.3 is awesome.
Ford's spend most of their days at my shop. Dealers refer their customers to my shop because they don't want to deal with fixing them or their angry customers. They truly are engineered to fail. It should say fail in the blue oval.
@@michaelpincavitch5245 The 6.4L truck block is actually different from the SRT 6.4L. The SRT 6.4L might bolt in, but it definitely doesn't interchange.
Since the F-250 has bigger tires....how accurate is the trucks trip computer on the odometer? If this was not re-set for the new tire size...it would increase your true real world mpg.
You can buy a lot of gas for the price of that Cummins. Plus add the extra cost of diesel fuel and maintenance, if you’re not using to to tow lots of weight for the majority of ownership the Cummins is a waste of money. More often than not I see people driving these diesels with not even a brick in the back🤦♂️
I have a 6.4l V8 I can attest it is a awesome engine... There is a ridiculousness factor of having a truck that big drive on a gas engine that a really love just cruising around and I'm talking cruisinggg. Of course off road it is awesome uphill but I hate going downhill it picks up speed and I don't know how to use hill decsent control yet it does kill gas but it is not my daily driver. I don't tow at all and I knew that before I bought I wouldn't be towing.
DONALD DRAGO they def need to get in this game. Ram needs to bump their displacement a bit to near the Fords to make comparable power. Who knows what the General is thinking
Not a ford fan never have been but them offering and using the 4.30 gears is what's putting their towing on top, so hats off to them for that. GM and dodge need to offer the same. Both GM and dodge trucks are great and still do what they are supposed to
@@molonlabe287 they literally don't have twice the power. Biggest benefit i see for newer trucks is a more versatile transmission. All the 1/2 tons have more power than their hd counterparts...they have for quite sometime now. Towing isn't just about power tho. There's tires there, suspension, cooling capacity and parts built to haul higher loads.
So what I'm getting from this is a Ford V8 with old OHV tech and almost an extra liter of displacement is just as efficient (in all stock form) as a smaller Dodge V8 with cylinder deactivation. Guess displacement and technology doesn't really matter when you have to push around 4 tons of steel.
Pretty much. In some cases an engine may be much larger but if it can turn much slower and save on frictional losses yet still make the same power as the smaller engine turning faster it can be more efficient. I upgraded my little V6 from a 2.8L to a 3.4L in my S-10. I also cammed it, put in a larger throttle body and injectors. It got better fuel economy around town and on the freeway because you didn't have to put your foot half way down all the time to keep up with traffic. Heads, intake and exhaust were identical and the new motor was used with .1 lower compression. So it wasn't a magical combo it was just more suited to the application.
So real world, 2018 3500 ram 6.4L. It had a fiberglass work cap and a little work gear in it. Thats it for weight. Half hour highway and half hour gravel road to a mine site and back everyday in canada. Truck would get between 22L/100 and 25L/100. Every three days filled up. Recommend a diesal if ya intend to work it.
Fleet manager here.
I just wanted to give people an update on my companies fleet of trucks and how the 7.3L V8 has changed our company.
We have run 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for hot shot running here in Texas and South Dakota for years and would use strickly diesel trucks. Unfortunately, the costs to operate diesels has doubled in the last 10 years, and the EPA B.S. on these trucks have killed the longevity of the motors. In the 2000s and 2010s our older pre-EPA diesels would go half a million miles before we would replace them. We usually did a hard overhaul at 250,000 and they would easily go another 250k before replacement.
Diesels now are barely making it to 200,000 without major overhaul, and when they are overhauled they only go 350,000'ish total miles.
So, over the last 18 months we have dramatically shifted our truck lines and have replaced 11 trucks of the 25 that we have with 7.3L V8 F-350 trucks single wheel. These trucks are fantastic. They not only get excellent towing mileage but cost a tremendous amount of money less in maintenance.
We still will keep 10 diesel trucks that are F-450 for maximum towing capabilities, but everything else is 7.3L V8 trucks. We already have a two trucks that are over 100,000 miles on them, and outside of oil changes and tires not a dime has gone into them. The savings in maintenance is huge when you have a fleet.
So, if you are going to tow between 10,000-15,000 lbs this is a must have motor. We do between 11k-18k 5th wheel towing for the majority of our loads (25k-30k towing for our diesel trucks but those loads are much more rare) and the 7.3L V8 eats it up.
Replying for reference. Thank you. One thing I think that gets completely ignored by the EPA crowd is the environmental impact of a large diesel engine NOT lasting and being replaced or an entirely new truck being manufactured and purchased. Are they factoring that in during their crusade??? I doubt it.
My experience tells me, on long highway drives. Speed effects milage big time. My 6.4 with 4:10s has the power to cruise at 80mph for 5 hours straight. But at 2100rpm it will average 12.5 MPG. But if I drop the speed down to 65mph or roughly 1850rpm , it will get 17MPG.
The trick is to slow down.
pretty common knowledge..
17 at 65! That's it? I have a 69 k10 short bed step side 327. At 65 it's turning 2500 rpm. I get 16 mpg at 65 with a carburetor and 4:10s.
JOHN EBBS lol, wrong! Unless you’re running an overdrive trans or 40” tires 65 mph is NOT 2500 rpms with 4.10s haha!
@@robhester00 "ok". Be that guy.
Taller gears. Why waste time
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I don't think I'd be disappointed owning either truck. They're both pretty nice.
Given the choice between a twenty-five-year-old design square box construction truck and the ram I think it's a pretty easy choice
Nice to see the 3/4 ton gassers being tested! Diesel is to exspensive for me.
Regarding the Ram mileage with the 8 speed vs. the 6 speed. At highway speeds the mileage should not differ. The gear ratios of 4, 5, and 6 vs 6, 7, and 8 are almost identical. The difference between the two transmissions are the lower gears.
Glad someone gets it. Some of these people will be wanting an 18 speed.🤣
The transmission design is totally different ZF claims something like a 98% efficiency in all gears where the 6 speed it replaced was probably only 96% in overdrive. Basically the ZF has all but one clutch locked up at all times where a traditional auto has all but one clutches unlocked at all times which creates more friction. Also the ZF keeps the torque converter locked up more. So a lot of the efficiency comes from better design.
I'll bet the 343 Rears would have definitely increase the gas mileage
My experience with the big Hemi has been it really needs some miles to break in. I’ve seen a 20% improvement in fuel mileage since the truck was new. With 4.10 gears I was seeing 15 MPG pure highway when I first bought it, now it’s hovering around 18 MPG depending on the wind. I also run the recommended 89 octane fuel and OE spec oil.
RAM: 15.4MPG
FORD: 14.8MPG
Ford has bigger tires, it's basically a wash.
Ford has more power, more hauling, and
Towing.
If the tires are bigger on the Ford that only helps the gas mileage on the highway, so not a wash.
Ryan Bevilacqua no, not really. Bigger tires and wheels means heavier rotating mass which kills fuel economy more than lower rpms will ever help. Been proven countless times. Also, the taller the truck the more wind drag, thus lower economy.
@@rockstarride wrong
old truck of mine - went from 225/75 -15 to 275/60 -15. Tires are the same height, just wider and lost 3 MPG. More rolling resistance.
I have a 2018 power wagon, with a K&N 77 Series intake and a magnaflow free flow exhaust. I average about 18 overall. And I found that this truck happy spot is around 65-70. Best MPG I ever got was 19.2 about a 800 miles trip. Just cruising
Nice I have the 17 pw with the sb filter and it gets about the same hit a 100k not to long ago still going strong.
I always loved this channel. But it's NEVER BEEN SO GOOD!
That is an excellent result for a truck that's lifted and on 37's. Not to mention a gas truck to boot. Not bad at all. I was expecting between 16-18 For the Dodge and 11-13 for the Ford. Well done!
Seen other real world videos, others post 13 mpg on factory stock ford f250 7.3L, driving 65mpg
Andre the seats adjust. I drive mine for days and a very comfortable. Tilt the seat bottom forward a bit
He likes praising his fords. ESP when it’s his truck.
Mlwest89 he had a Ram rebel though that he adored. Only criticism he has on the rams is fuel efficiency.
Yes, if the seat is adjustable, I move it a little bit fairly often just to help circulation and pressure points. It helps!
God forbid this fan boy NOT include a Ford in one of his videos.... its beginning to get disgusting
Joe Lesko lmao I hear ya. It’s funny cz I appreciate all (most) trucks but I’m tied to Ram does that make me sad? Who cares if it does! #ramtilidie
That Ford Super Tremor is Badass!
Yes it is.
Death wobble. Buyer beware.
@@barrysoetoro3488 Ford never fixed that? I had that in my lifted 05 King Ranch. It sucks when it happens.
About the same as my 2012 Cummins on some longer trips at speed limit with cruise on. It’s gotten 15mpg twice on two trips from Indiana to Missouri. One stock and one with 100hp emissions intact tune. Recently set a new record of 16mpg for a trip a couple weeks ago. Maybe at 110,000 it’s finally broke in. 😁
I drove my stock F150 XLT Sport crewcab 4x4 5.0 with the 3.31, 36 gallon tank and a tonneau cover from Lorain, OH to Fountain, CO and back. I80 out, I70 back. A trip to the Royal Gorge when we were there. 3079 miles. I think we filled up 5 times.
I managed 21 mpg. At +3 mph everywhere we went. It was even higher until I hit 75 mph zones and was doing 78 mph. 4 day trip, about 700 miles + a day. This is the second most comfortable vehicle I have driven in the last 11 years. The first mist comfortable would gave been a Peterbilt 389.
My 2019 F150 super crew 4x4 3.5 was at 22mpg after a 200 miles trip to houston, including running 85mph. And it makes more torque than that hemi by quite a bit.
I ended my round trip at 19.8, but I did some city driving and hauled a boat while in houston.
@@enigma9789 I was just talking to my buddy who has an 18 with a 3.5 EcoBoost. The trucks are similar though. Crewcab 4x4. Not sure on his rearend though. I was wondering what his truck would have gotten for mpg, under the same circumstances.
That's pretty good though.
@Jason Creech that's awesome on 35's. I was thinking I might put a modest lift, maybe 2 or 4 inches, and bigger tires on this truck after I own it, and my extended warranty is up.
@@steveawesome9538 Mine has the 3.55 with the electronic locker. its all stock and has 31k on it. I think the shutters in the front help alot. I did a short trip on back roads going about 60-65 for 50 miles and was sitting at 25mpg when I got there.
@@steveawesome9538 I usually tow a trailer about 50% of my driving though, and the ecoboost gets around the same as my 2wd 2011 5.0 but it pulls the trailer way better the 5.0 has 214k on it
One detail to note is the highest hill you climbed on this trip was the overpass exiting for the Iowa 80 truck stop. Between Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska and Eastern Colorado the topography could be much flatter. And as I remember, the mileage trip you did with the stock F250 was to Cali or Utah from Boulder. Anyway, nice vid!
It was uphill all the way from the Mississippi River....
@@boss123400 I knew I would get that comment! So I have very carefully calculated a .00000000000002% incline. Lol!
Nils Johansson The energy required to lift the truck 4000 feet is the same wether it is straight up or on a long incline. Physics, I took it....
Troy Strain While that is true, the original post references different transmissions...efficiency matters too. How much energy is lost while the transmission hunts for the most efficient gear certainly could be a factor.
I was at that truck stop last year, its a neat place to check out. Great video again!
Really good video Andre. Thanks for the comparison.
As always you make a great video with real world information, Thanks TFL Truck!
Thank you for watching.
Agree. I want to see 6.2, 10 speed.
Same here I've been asking the same thing. I have a 6.2/6 spd and bought it just to wait a few years until any issues if any can be ironed out with the 7.3 and 10 spd. But I'm curious how the 10spd would improve the 6.2.
@@TheMCD1989 well drive an f350 and there is your 6.2 10 speed
Talking about the rear axle ratio without also talking about the transmission ratios is basically pointless in the modern world. In the days of a 1:1 final drive ratio, it made sense. Not now.
I live fairly close to the I 80 truck stop. It's nice to see a familiar place on a TFL video. 😊
FORD'S new 7.3 gas engine is a BEAST!
With the gas station 😂😂😂😂
@@icare7151 ram needs to build a better truck all the way around to match ford. A fancy interior jammed into the 2010 cabs on an "Improved" chassis that has the exact same dimensions as the last 10 years is just not going to cut it lol
jnk26 its still bigger than the Ford and gm. No need to change it!
John Doe interior wise it is not, ram decided to keep the previous gen for the HD line so you get 2010 interior with 2020 tech vs Ford has a massive interior when they went to the aluminum in 2017.
David Alphin I've owned 4 rams, including a mega cab limited Cummins and they all had the same room as the new 19 model. They are also still bigger than the Ford and definitely bigger than GM.
I'm a ram guy but that ford was freaking sweet
Yea its all sweet and all but i just traded in my 2020 for the gmc 6.2 vortec 2018 i dont care for the newer style to bulky and actually get worse mpg than the 2018
Well join da fam
I’ve had 4 rams in a row, just bought a 2020 SD. Love it!
Robert Condon just wait until you get the infamous death wobble. It’s a Comin’. I know, I’m a ford victim. It sucks.
1mpg better than the ford that sits 4 inches higher with 37s. Sounds like a W for the ford AGAIN.
They also cut the chin spoiler. This comparator is not apples to apples. Huge disadvantage for the ford and very unprofessional by TFL
@@ehabaleid1093 All because they cut the chin spoiler?😂😂😂😂
@@jeremygaillard5924 and drafted behind the ram the entire time...
@@mjberta7319 Ram bodies suck. They rot out before all others in the Northeast. Not worth the money at all.
@@ehabaleid1093 huge advantage for the Dodge with air suspension, cylinder deactivation and tonneau cover.
My Dodge makes that exact same rattling noise that his did when he pulled out of the gas station. When I bought mine I took it back in and they replaced both banks of lifters and it still makes the same noise. They say it’s the hemi tick!
8:30 Ram MPG. 9:05 Ford MPG
Save you some time
I’m glad this was posted. I was waiting for this for a long time 🤪
They may have got about the same miles per gallon but the Ford is a beast
The ram looks waaaaay better
B ! Yea! The ramp had 3:73 gears. Ford had 3:55
I think the Ford looks better. Different strokes for different folks.
Ram looks nicer
I take the ford all day long
Both are good numbers ... I was getting 9 city 12-14 highway in my 2002 Silverado 1500 hd with the 6.0 .. all stock
yeah but literally half the power
Both trucks did much better than I would have expected so good job to both. I assume the Ram trip odometer of 1051 miles was used in the calculation and was wondering what the Ford odometer reading was with the larger tires.
There is something about the Hemi that makes me happy!
I wish the average “American” Joe or Josephine would appreciate MURICA as much as Andre. I appreciate him for enjoying this great country so much.
Like Andre, I’m also an immigrant to the US from the former USSR. I do appreciate America that’s inside its borders. But I don’t like what America is doing outside it’s borders.
Instablaster.
Just made a trip from Fort Worth, Texas to Glendive, Montana and back, 2700 mile round trip. Driving my 2019 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel. 22 mpg average for the entire trip; 25 mpg average at 70 mph. I have the Laramie with all options except air suspension and sunroof. Paid $63K. Love the Tremor. I traded a 2018 Raptor for the Ram (needed something to tow with). Seriously considered the tremor with the 7.3, but wasn’t available at the time. Might trade up later.
IT's the larger tires. You effectively lowered the final drive from 3.55 to 3.08. At highway speeds you were probably running close to 4/500 rpm lower than normal.
The 3:55 or 3:73 has to be also considered along with the transmission gear ratio. So with 3:73 and 8 speed and whatever gear it was in cruising compared to 3:55 and 10 speed and whatever gear it cruised in. Then throw in the tire total diameter to that.
9:30
Couple things: Looks like the Ram has barely over 1,000 miles on it, so for sure not broken in yet. MPG's should increase as you approach 10,000 miles on the odometer. FCA mpg computer normal is to overstate mpg by about 10%, which you demonstrated with hand calculation. My 2016 Challenger overstates mpg too. I don't understand why FCA has not corrected this issue. My Challenger does deliver the mpg's stated on the Monroney, albeit not until I'd reached 10,000 odometer miles. At any rate, near 15 hwy mpg without payload or towing is pretty darn good given the capabilities of these two gassers.
$71,000! I just bought a F250 Tremor with the 7.3, for less $58,500 out the door. The thing is a beast. I go off roading with my buddy who has a Raptor, and the Tremor more than holds its own against it. When he is scrapping his tailpipes, the Tremor has more than enough clearance. It tractors through everything. All I have to do is pretty much put it in 4wd low, and mash the gas, and it gets through and over anything. Tons of fun. MPG? Who cares? You and your kids won’t remember anything that gets 40 mpg.
They will remember going camping in a Prius. lol
those rams look SO good!
That's funny I was thinking that the Ford has the better 'looks',..ah well to each his own , I guess.
Reg Sparkes I was thinking the same thing the front of the ram looks terrible but I do like the backend the room looks pretty good from the rear and I do like the air suspension and five link but to me there’s no comparison on the two
my 2019 gets 19.5 doing 62 mph and 17.5 doing 70 , however it gets between 8.4 and 10 towing ten thousand and that includes a couple of 6 degree grade hills. Depends how patient i wanna be at the time. Have about 5,000 miles on it. 2019 Ram Tradesman ,2500 heavy duty ,6.4 Hemi, 8 speed, 4:10 gears.
Come on Andre no need to be a left lane camper :)
I'm getting the same fuel economy in my 2003 5.4 Super Duty FX4 with the 5.4 2v gas engine and 4 speed auto. I don't know if I should be impressed with my truck or be disappointed with the new trucks.
Much better than the 12.3mpg average lifetime of my Black Ford 2017 5.0l 4x4 regular cab short bed.
Though she's got many bolt on's.
Magnaflow dual side exit exhaust, Airaid intake.
Ford 1.5" lowering kit, removed stock blocks.
All sorts of other mods but they are appearance stuff.
She rides like a skateboard on broken pavement, but she looks good doing it. 😁👍
Forgot to mention I live in the 9th highest traffic city in the world. So there's that. 🥴😵
@@randomsomeone1617 I had to laugh at the "Black Ford" but then a remembered renting a black pathfinder and i had to use the ac all the time, even when it wasn't hot out...if it was sunny its baking hot in a black vehicle
Cool! I live 15 minutes from the Walcott truck stop! Would have been cool to see you guys as you came through!
I appreciate all reviews that the crew at tfl does for us gearheads. However, there remains one question: what about the ford 6.2+10-speed transmission?
The ford 6.2 is no longer used and also was only mated with a 6 speed auto. It was replace with the 7.3
@@Bless-edisYeshuaHamashiach that’s completely false. You can order a brand new truck with the 6.2.
Have you guys ever done a comparison of the mileage with and without a tonneau cover?
I can attest to the fact that a good tonneau cover will help with gas mileage. Especially if the wind has it's way.
@@40calDeathPunch It seems logical that having the tailgate down would create a larger space with low pressure and disrupt smooth air flow. Having the tailgate up would create another vertical surface that air would hit against and create wind resistance and another area of low pressure behind the tailgate. Since a tonneau cover lessens the area of low pressure behind the cab and eliminates the wind resistance created by the tailgate it seems logical that it would help improve mileage even if only slightly.
@@secondamendment8773 on the highway, in my 2017 6.4 with the 6sp, I noticed about 1.5mpg on the highway when I installed my cover.
Ford all day! That Ford 7.3 is amazing.
Great video!
With a gas station 😂👌👌👌👌
@@walter777smith6 how many times you going to make up that stupid comment and nobody buys a pickup truck for fuel economy
@@pilotguy1141 how many times are you going to make that stupid comment about nobody buying a truck for fuel economy?
Of course nobody does but they may buy the one that will get 2mpg more.
@@leehancock2782 but the Ford has a bigger lift... so that makes up they difference, they are essentially the same milage and Ford has WAY more low-end power with their 7.3
@@walter777smith6 you think 15 MPG in a full size 3/4 ton truck is bad? I would love to I droid with you to my 8.1 with a Allison trans. Since when does anyone buy a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck for fuel mileage?
Damn truck prices are INSANE!!!!!!
They are, but now is the time to buy. Corona Virus and end of thr year. I just got a option loaded up 2020 Power Wagon for 61k.
@Eugene Elliott half down. 3 year loan. Money is easy to make. Truck is awesome.
$71k for a gas Dodge?!
Just get a diesel with a little less options.
You can get much cheaper. I got a 2500 tradesmen with chrome package, 12” screen, carpet w floor liners, spray in bed liner , bed step, 5th wheel package, 4wd for $44,000 otd here in FL. 2020 model.
Keith Stettler is love to get info about this. I’m literally trying to do the same
For some folks the gas motor is a better option. I live in the city 2 miles from the office. I tow heavy just a couple time per year. Gas makes way more sense.
Or get a gas with less options.
blake griffis oh ok. I’m looking for what you got but diesel.
6 sp vs 8sp vs 10sp. Top gear ratio is virtually the same. Makes no difference in hwy driving
MAYBE in the trucks they don't, but elsewhere those extra gears are literally touted as mattering for just that by the very bastards that made the things so yeah............
8th in the ZF is a .667 and f-250 10th is a .632
Ram uses a 3.73
Ford uses a 3.55
Ram has a higher cruising RPM.
Ram will tow in 7th and f-250 will probably tow in 8th. Both are .84
Ford with a 3:55 rear and Ram with 3:73. That's another 2plus mpg. If the Ram was a 3:55 as well
Honestly you all are notorious for doing tests with different rear end gears.
On the highway for sustained speeds 3:55 vs 3:73 is quite significant.
You guy did the same thing in the ford, ram chevy test. You all seem quite bias to the Fords.
Don't believe me.... look at your older videos. I have been watching for years.
With that. At 71k for the Ram, i would just go with the Cummins model . It gets over 20 mpg no problem at 70mph and below
The Ford has a big disadvantage. It’s not stock they ruined its aero and rolling resistance because they cut the chin spoiler and changed the tires. You think it’s biased toward the Ford but actually the opposite.
@@ehabaleid1093 yes 100% bias to Ford.. they never pick trucks that are alike. Of course the Ford will make less mpg due to its mods. But the tires help and hurt, hurt because more mass, help because they are bigger so lower highway rpms. Many performance mods actually make the vehicle more efficient and give even better fuel efficiency. At the end of the day this video is perfect proof of my issue. This is apples to oranges.
With that said, look at their history, even stock vs stock they never get similar gearing or options. They will get a fully loaded Ram or Chevy (heavier) with towing gears and put it up against a lower model Ford with highway gears. OR they will do a tow test and the ford will come with 4:10-4:11 rear gears and some how the ram and chevy will have a 3:42 or 3:73 rear gear. 🤔
Lets see a review with similar set up and gears. No bias here i just want to see an apple to apple run. So we as buyers can really see what it what.
@Der Schwindel no its you that's the "fanboy" (seems you are mad and your snowflake feelings are hurt) i have owned Ford chevy and Rams. I go with the best truck for my needs at the time. They all have their own pros and cons. I will say, i see Chevy/GMC starting to slip off the radar. They have been playing catch up for a few years now with no sign of catch up. Those are facts. Look at Truck sales.
Pickup truck throwdown no doubt!
Great videos and reviews with many more to come no doubt.
That Ford is sooooo nice!
INDY! That's where I'm from. Awesome you were here man!
That 10 speed and rear in the Ford must make a big difference. Does the Ford have cylinder deactivation as well? Until the 2021 Ram redesign it looks like the Ford is the better gasser. Thanks Andre!
John Leslie, Ford does not use cylinder deactivation......
@HalfShell not with ten speeds to choose from. It can drop to a lower gear.
Not 7.3 but there is new upgrade to Ford engine which has cylinder deactivation I forgot which one it is now i believe its for something 2021
The ford 7.3 has variable valve timing, which in essence accomplishes the same goal as cylinder deactivation
Ford has never had any form of cylinder deactivation. Ford approaches fuel economy by cutting weight (aluminum body), the others rely on engine gimmicks to get max mpg.
I'm impressed that the ford didn't start on fire
Thank you for the comparison. Both trucks sound as though they are great trucks. They may slow down the fleet diesel sales. Those 5,000 miles diesel oil changes and 10,000 mile fuel changes costs add up quickly. Keep those videos coming.
If he was following you like shown in each video clip, the Ford has a huge advantage due to drafting. I can see my MPGs climb whenever I get behind other big trucks and interstates
First thought
i'd take the ford. I like the sound better and I don't care for that screen setup like that.
The exhaust on that truck is aftermarket.
Awesome video...Thanks to Andre and Case..nice job.
The Ram was breaking the wind for the F250 the whole trip.
RAMS breakwind because they are shit.
And the Ford has a 3.5in. leveling kit and 37's...
My 6.2 liter ford with 3.73’s gets 11.5 city and 13.8 hwy. makes me cry, especially now.
I really would like a Power Wagon but the payments plus fuel expense just has me looking the other way every time I pass the dealership.
16.4 mpg at 7 minutes in the Ram.
What octane are you using in both vehicles? I know that FCA recommends 89 for the 6.4 Hemi. How about the Ford? Also, it would be great to see what the MPG is on both after they are fully broken in.
My 2020 6.4 2500 manual says 87 octane with no mention of 89 like previous years.
My 2016 RAM Laramie 6.4 Hemi has always had an optimistic trip computer. Usually shows a full gallon better than real world calculations. But I knew that going in.
I would like to see a show on how to get the best possible deal on a new truck...
Easy...have excellent credit and a good down payment. Know exactly what you can honestly afford. Run multiple payment scenarios before you head to the dealer.
Always take advantage of deep discounts, rebates and offers. I just got my 50k 2020 Ram 2500 crewcab for 44k, before my down payment. If you don't have good credit, you are at the mercy of the dealer.
@@methings287 Unfortunately these days (Apr-May 2021) dealers are not dealing on new or used trucks. They want MSRP and they are getting it, worst of luck. They do give a decent return on your used truck if it's in good or better condition. However they are selling the heavy duty trucks as fast as they get them.
Those are awesome mpg ratings. I just took my 2010 F150 on a trip and barely made 16 mpg. 65 mph and flat land
thats horrible lol. my 2011 5.0 gets 19 on the highway and the 2019 3.5 got 22 on the highway running 80mph
Damn my 14 f250 6.2l gets 17 on highway and that's going up and down mountains
Great video Andre. Hopefully the Ram didn't lead the whole trip. Drafting would improve the Fords mpg. Both trucks look good. My son had that Ram for a year and he got much better mpg than your numbers.
What about the 3.5in. level and 37's on the Ford...
If I remember correctly the new GM HD 6.6 gas did better on a none towing test than both new Ford and Ram, with same gear ratio as Ram. A same day Ike gauntlet test with all three at the lowest trucks towing capability is needed and same gear. I'm pretty they all do 3.73 right now. That would be a fun video.
Too bad GM decided to drop the ball on the transmission, then have the nerve to ask just as much if not more than a similar equipped Ford.
So lets see here what's new for 2020:
Ford: New 7.3 engine, AND a 10 speed
Dodge: Same 6.4 engine and gets upgraded to an 8 speed
GM: New 6.6 Gas engine and the same old 6 speed. When they have access to a capable 10 speed or even an 8 speed. Absolutely ridiculous. Brand new, all new truck and in usual GM fashion they are already behind the competition.
Nice video. Btw left lane is for passing
Grew up 20 minutes away from that truck stop. You should have kept on going. It's basically a museum with some pumps. Pretty cool if you never been to a place like that. There's an itty-bitty little tiny town right by that place called Walcott. There is absolutely no reason for you to ever go to Walcott
I wanna see that dodge with 3" lift and 37's!
Plus you had a bed cover on the Ram that does make a difference
Remember folks, the Mopar dealers generally are WELL below the MSRP given on the sticker, and this show. Typically the most affordable trucks on the market.
So are fords typically. Not all models, but you can get good deals on most. Even if not "advertised"
What a life you live. I would cut off my pinkie for this job! Great vid Andre. Ford beats Ram all day. 🇺🇸☘️
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But if you cut off your pinkie, how would you drink your tea? :D
I hear u. Who pays these guys anyway?
Silver bearded Irish are you kidding? I would cut off my god damn ear, and both pinkies.
If I could afford it, I'd buy Ford truck and a Ram!
I am not sure if the 2500 is the same as the 1500, but I had to go into the settings to turn on the MDS, the eco light will turn on when it switches to 4 cylinders. I have seen an increase of almost 4 MPG since doing this and can now notice when it goes back and forth. I thought it was automatic, but maybe not.
@HalfShell Are you tech for FCA? The light is not on all the time, only when the system is on, and I can tell the difference as opposed to before I turned it on. You can say what you want, but I know the MPG and feeling has changed when it comes out of MDS.
Ford doesn't stand behind their products as I found out with my 2018 F150 2.7 and 2019 F150 5.0, so regardless of how it performs I'll never own another one.
I am going down that same road.
2 F150s and I and thinking Toyota Tundra. Thoughts?
@@abominablestormtroopersnow4510 I picked up a 2020 GMC Sierra 1500 Elevation with the 3.0 Duramax and I couldn't be happier! I'm very impressed with it's mpg and it has more than enough power to tow my 30ft toy hauler with ease. The Tundra is a solid truck from everything I've heard but the mpg isn't that great and at the time I was looking in February it was still the same old, outdated design so it was a hard pass for me.
Just curious to what problems you had? My wife had a Fusion and they jerked us around constantly on recalls.
@@jtugwell The 2018 with the 2.7 had misfiring on cylinders 2 and 5 at about 29k and the dealership was unable to fix it after having it over a month and throwing a boat load of new parts at it. It also had multiple oil leaks from the valve cover gasket, turbo fittings and the stupid plastic oil pan. I chalked that one up to just a bad unit and bought a brand new 2019 5.0 XLT that at about 10k miles was burning oil like crazy and knocking (also had raw oil dripping out of the exhaust). I took the 2019 to three seperate dealerships who all had the same BS script to tell me it's all good. They even said raw oil coming from the exhaust wont effect the emissions equipment (which is a straight up lie). I ended up getting Ford corporate involved and the woman who had my case said "I spoke with our engineers and it's normal". I've worked on cars most of my life and at no point is a knocking engine that's burning oil "normal". After they refused to even acknowledge there was a problem I decided after almost 20 years of driving nothing but Ford it was time to ditch the brand.
I really don't like the MDS on the Rams but I absolutely prefer it over the engine shutting off every time you stop. It'd be nice if auto mfg could just make vehicles again without all the emission regulations.
I drive a GM that Dodge is nice I would still take the Ford with a 7.3.
Diesel is only worth it if you haul heavy loads often. Fuel obviously hs been higher the last 10-15 yrs, but fuel filters and oil changes are 2x the cost. And the emissions THAT WILL FAIL are thousands.
I would like to see MPG at the same distance and type of driving done with with GM 6.6 gas 4x4.
that's unlikely, but they do have a 6.6 gas 4x4 mpg test at the same speed (70 mph) on the channel. so it should be similar
They did try, but the Chev just couldn’t make the trip; too many break downs, unfortunately. 🤷🏻♂️
They had the test look it up Chevy was way back
Well i just picked up a new 2020 F350 with the 7.3 and in the few days i have had it i can tell it has way more get up an go then the 2018 power wagon that i new last summer dont get me wrong i liked my power wagon for what it was but this new F350 with this 7.3 is awesome.
Well 6 spd vs 8 would be a huge difference. You would say the same thing if you stayed with ram and just got the newer truck I imagine
I still like the ram. But I prefer it with the 4.10. Makes a world of difference towing
I have a gmc 6.6 gas longbed dually. I've put 75k miles on it in 2 years. All highway. I average 16.4 mpg when unloaded.
Is it me or do Ford's really just sound solid whenever they start?
No, they sound like crap.
@@wint_62 solid crap though 🤣
Ford's spend most of their days at my shop. Dealers refer their customers to my shop because they don't want to deal with fixing them or their angry customers. They truly are engineered to fail. It should say fail in the blue oval.
I noticed the Ram starter sounds the same as they did back in the 70's. Could always tell a Chrysler product in the dark by the starter.
5:10 got that Ram squeek going on... Ford sound solid.
Andre is a GM guy at heart, but you can tell he likes that Ram. Ford Or Ram you're getting a good gasser either way
I don't think anybody likes GM products dude they are garbage.
@@toddbob55 they really are, and getting worse
Hopefully ram will update there HD gas motor soon. Maybe a larger displacement or updated the 6.4 for more power
Or just use the srt 6 4 that makes 485hp and 475 torque
@@michaelpincavitch5245 lol no
@HalfShell very aware of that !
But Chrysler makes both engines and will both interchange. Srt version has more compression , better heads and different camshafts !
@@michaelpincavitch5245 The 6.4L truck block is actually different from the SRT 6.4L. The SRT 6.4L might bolt in, but it definitely doesn't interchange.
Great video!
9:16 The RAM opened the drag cone all the time by being on the front.
The fords wind damn has been cut off too, so that should make up for that.
So no vehicle was ever in front of the ram? 🤔
@@davidalphin6626 yup, but not close to the time the Ford did.
The Ford is too far back at that speed to get much if any draft on the Dodge that isn't a factor
Denial sucks man
Since the F-250 has bigger tires....how accurate is the trucks trip computer on the odometer? If this was not re-set for the new tire size...it would increase your true real world mpg.
Imagine paying 70k for a ram and not even having a Cummins
You took the words out of my mouth.
@hunter s you also get more payload with the gas engine
You can buy a lot of gas for the price of that Cummins. Plus add the extra cost of diesel fuel and maintenance, if you’re not using to to tow lots of weight for the majority of ownership the Cummins is a waste of money.
More often than not I see people driving these diesels with not even a brick in the back🤦♂️
@@g5poirot647 diesel around here is more often than not 20-30 cents cheaper than regular
Imagine spending $90 on a cummins and towing around some Jet Skis
I have a 6.4l V8 I can attest it is a awesome engine... There is a ridiculousness factor of having a truck that big drive on a gas engine that a really love just cruising around and I'm talking cruisinggg. Of course off road it is awesome uphill but I hate going downhill it picks up speed and I don't know how to use hill decsent control yet it does kill gas but it is not my daily driver. I don't tow at all and I knew that before I bought I wouldn't be towing.
Until your Chrysler Engine flattens the Cam at 60k Miles and you need a new engine. Like all Hemis with cam issues
GM needs to bring back a reworked 8.1 !
DONALD DRAGO they def need to get in this game. Ram needs to bump their displacement a bit to near the Fords to make comparable power. Who knows what the General is thinking
Not a ford fan never have been but them offering and using the 4.30 gears is what's putting their towing on top, so hats off to them for that. GM and dodge need to offer the same. Both GM and dodge trucks are great and still do what they are supposed to
Andre, get out of the left lane my man.
I thought you were NOT supposed to top off the tanks due to the possibility of damaging the charcoal or whatever it is in the tank vent system????
Andre and Tommy are carrying TFL now
The new trucks get about the same mpg as my old 03 2500hd 6.0 chevy 4x4 on the highway. Somewhere around 15mpg is typical empty.
yeah, but the Ford has literally twice the power. Ford half tons tow better than the 6.0.
@@molonlabe287 they literally don't have twice the power. Biggest benefit i see for newer trucks is a more versatile transmission.
All the 1/2 tons have more power than their hd counterparts...they have for quite sometime now. Towing isn't just about power tho. There's tires there, suspension, cooling capacity and parts built to haul higher loads.
So what I'm getting from this is a Ford V8 with old OHV tech and almost an extra liter of displacement is just as efficient (in all stock form) as a smaller Dodge V8 with cylinder deactivation. Guess displacement and technology doesn't really matter when you have to push around 4 tons of steel.
Pretty much. In some cases an engine may be much larger but if it can turn much slower and save on frictional losses yet still make the same power as the smaller engine turning faster it can be more efficient. I upgraded my little V6 from a 2.8L to a 3.4L in my S-10. I also cammed it, put in a larger throttle body and injectors. It got better fuel economy around town and on the freeway because you didn't have to put your foot half way down all the time to keep up with traffic. Heads, intake and exhaust were identical and the new motor was used with .1 lower compression. So it wasn't a magical combo it was just more suited to the application.
So real world, 2018 3500 ram 6.4L. It had a fiberglass work cap and a little work gear in it. Thats it for weight. Half hour highway and half hour gravel road to a mine site and back everyday in canada. Truck would get between 22L/100 and 25L/100. Every three days filled up. Recommend a diesal if ya intend to work it.