Appreciate the follow up video on GAAIV, I’ve chosen him as my first ever commander. Taxing and control is a play style that appeals to me. How have you been getting on with this version? Any cuts and standouts? Thanks 👍🏼
Happy to oblige. So far it's done as expected. Consultant and a pain in peoples buts. Ot does tend to lengthen games quite a bit and unless I get a win con to stick for more than 2 turns, I end up being ganged up on horrible. It holds its own 3v1 for a little while, but ultimately you just run out of defenses more often than not. It's a really fun deck to play if you enjoy the challenge which I personallydo.
@@BluebearsGames Glad to hear, I don’t understand why people hate on it. It’s part of the game, no different than toxic decks that can achieve 10 counters in no time. How would this deck perform against mill? There’s a guy at my LGS with a Bruvac deck that seems to be the one to beat…
Hmm. I've not faced a commander mill deck ever actually. I assume it would be the same as when I fac 60 card mill decks and you play more removal for bruvac and the hope is that the stax pieces will make it cost a lot to cast any mill cards. Hopefully countermagic takes care of anything gets through. Sadly youre notlt in green so you cant just throw a random gaeas blessing in.
23:35 teferi who slows the sunset doesnt work with stasis, because even though you untap during your opponents untap steps, stasis makes them skip that step, so you wont untap either
Well it's a good thing I don't have it in there then huh lol. I guess not actually having them next to each other, I didn't see the interaction wouldn't have worked. Good catch.
If you want smothering Tithe to work properly you really should include stasis because after a while when stasis is out nobody gets to untap anything effectively guaranteeing you a treasure token because nobody can pay. I'm also surprised you didn't include the classics like winter orb, static orb, Sphere of Resistance and authority of the consuls
There are actually reasons I didn't include the orbs and sphere. The first is because I already have a deck that uses them for lovkdown reasons and I wanted a slightly different feel for the 2 decks. The second reason is I felt that the way I put this together would be more "fair" since there's actually a chance to get out of the control locks. If for some reason this deck doesn't perform how I want it to, then stasis with tithe is the next evolution, but I didn't want to slow games down to a standstill. Not yet anyway. So far this had performed as expected for what I was going for. I even got shiny new fallout version to use if I decided to go that route.
@@lordwolve 🤣🤣🤣 on this one I kinda did tge work already and made a video for it. Lol you should watch my updated talrand personal deck deck video. That will have the suggested cards you'd want to swap in.
Since your playing with no maximum hand size what are your thoughts on playing Triskaidekaphile? Its a creature that also gives you no maximum hand size and its a win cindition
@@ChrisRoss2017 I actually got a foil one for the deck originally, but it ended up getting cut. I am keeping it wih tge deck bcause as I play it, I want to see if it ends up being worth it. Its a great option for sure, but I am still not sure about whether or not the scenario can be met easily enough uet.
@@YOUMADSTAYMAD I have not dismantled it, nor have I made any changes to it yet. I've pulled som stuff aside to look at for possible changes, bit I haven't played with it since I've pulled them aside. I don't like to pull this out very often as it's no as much fun for others to play against.
The reason the 2 color discounts are written separately is because white spells are discounted by 1 blue spells are discounted by 1 and blue AND whote spells are discounted by 2
I get that, but from what I understand, there is a way to combine that into 1 sentence and still work ad intended. That way would also explain that it can reduce both colors on one spell for a reduction of 2 which is a question that's asked a lot.
@@BluebearsGames not without making it significantly more wordy and significantly more ambiguous Look at the liege cycle they wrote it specifically separately for clarity
@@christophercombs7561 seal of the guildpact exists though too, which was reprinted recently with how it would be made to be a little less wordy and ambiguous. From what I u derstand it would be something g to tge effect of Ao then for it to be one line it would have to read: Each spell you cast thats blue and/or white costs 1 less to cast for each of its colors.
@BluebearsGames and/ or is intrinsically more ambiguous than having 2 seperate abilities and how does that convert to other languages for foreign players?
Not exactly a take, more like past experience. I've just not really had much luck with it in other builds actually netting me much. I will do more testing before the eventual update video of course and who knows, maybe this is the one build its meant for the most and I'll correct it in the update video.
@@BluebearsGames Maybe it’s my group, but whenever one of us uses it, it usually nets an even or positive ratio, either by opponents paying or treasures netted
@@Ginkrepeerc_ that's what I hear all the time, but I haven't had much luck with it. I always get it either too late or if early, it's against decks that ramp a lot so they just pay and continue with their turn as normal. It's possible I'm just jaded because of that and it left a bad taste for me and this is the one build where it will get max use for me finally.
I went to my last commander night and I got infinite combod. I’m going to stax the shit out of people. Any thoughts to cards like thorn of amethyst and sphere of resistance ?
The question I have for you is, was tge infinite combo that got you, an infinite mana combo? If so, then adding stuff that makes things cost more to cast a little less effective. With that being said, I myself personally like those types of cards in more competitive formats to slow the game down enough to hopefully take control, but honestly, I've only ever used them in 60 card formats and not tried them in commander.
@BluebearsGames ok that's good to know before i buy. Cause me and my friends at the lgs i went to tonight cant seem to understand why all the arbiter decks run it. I just built mine 2 days ago and it's almost spot for spot your deck minus a few cards. But right now my only win cons are luminarch Approach of the second sun And mystical tutor entreated the angels. I want to find a few more solid win lines
@@Mibit911 it's in a lot of lists because it's a win con that if tg game is locked you can pull it off, but it's juat a very slow Qin that takes 4 full rounds of hoping nobody can answer. I'm gonna look for a faster one that's bot felidar sovereign or the enchantment version of that
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Brutal, me gusta tu forma de pensar. Me montare ese deck . GRACIAS
De nada!
Appreciate the follow up video on GAAIV, I’ve chosen him as my first ever commander. Taxing and control is a play style that appeals to me.
How have you been getting on with this version? Any cuts and standouts?
Thanks 👍🏼
Happy to oblige. So far it's done as expected. Consultant and a pain in peoples buts. Ot does tend to lengthen games quite a bit and unless I get a win con to stick for more than 2 turns, I end up being ganged up on horrible. It holds its own 3v1 for a little while, but ultimately you just run out of defenses more often than not. It's a really fun deck to play if you enjoy the challenge which I personallydo.
@@BluebearsGames Glad to hear, I don’t understand why people hate on it. It’s part of the game, no different than toxic decks that can achieve 10 counters in no time.
How would this deck perform against mill? There’s a guy at my LGS with a Bruvac deck that seems to be the one to beat…
Hmm. I've not faced a commander mill deck ever actually. I assume it would be the same as when I fac 60 card mill decks and you play more removal for bruvac and the hope is that the stax pieces will make it cost a lot to cast any mill cards. Hopefully countermagic takes care of anything gets through. Sadly youre notlt in green so you cant just throw a random gaeas blessing in.
23:35 teferi who slows the sunset doesnt work with stasis, because even though you untap during your opponents untap steps, stasis makes them skip that step, so you wont untap either
Well it's a good thing I don't have it in there then huh lol. I guess not actually having them next to each other, I didn't see the interaction wouldn't have worked. Good catch.
If you want smothering Tithe to work properly you really should include stasis because after a while when stasis is out nobody gets to untap anything effectively guaranteeing you a treasure token because nobody can pay. I'm also surprised you didn't include the classics like winter orb, static orb, Sphere of Resistance and authority of the consuls
There are actually reasons I didn't include the orbs and sphere.
The first is because I already have a deck that uses them for lovkdown reasons and I wanted a slightly different feel for the 2 decks.
The second reason is I felt that the way I put this together would be more "fair" since there's actually a chance to get out of the control locks.
If for some reason this deck doesn't perform how I want it to, then stasis with tithe is the next evolution, but I didn't want to slow games down to a standstill. Not yet anyway. So far this had performed as expected for what I was going for. I even got shiny new fallout version to use if I decided to go that route.
Been playing my blue deck... needs halp!...lol..looks like a few of those might help...getting stomped by prebuild box sets..eyeroll.
Who's your commander?
@@BluebearsGames Talrand... the one you built for me
@@lordwolve have you upgraded it at all since you got it?
Nope literally just started to play it..😅.. sides you know me ..I hand it to you and say fix! 😂😂😂
@@lordwolve 🤣🤣🤣 on this one I kinda did tge work already and made a video for it. Lol you should watch my updated talrand personal deck deck video. That will have the suggested cards you'd want to swap in.
Since your playing with no maximum hand size what are your thoughts on playing Triskaidekaphile? Its a creature that also gives you no maximum hand size and its a win cindition
@@ChrisRoss2017 I actually got a foil one for the deck originally, but it ended up getting cut. I am keeping it wih tge deck bcause as I play it, I want to see if it ends up being worth it. Its a great option for sure, but I am still not sure about whether or not the scenario can be met easily enough uet.
Did you ever change things in this deck? If so, what? Also was the deck fun to play? Or did you dismantle it
@@YOUMADSTAYMAD I have not dismantled it, nor have I made any changes to it yet. I've pulled som stuff aside to look at for possible changes, bit I haven't played with it since I've pulled them aside. I don't like to pull this out very often as it's no as much fun for others to play against.
The reason the 2 color discounts are written separately is because white spells are discounted by 1 blue spells are discounted by 1 and blue AND whote spells are discounted by 2
I get that, but from what I understand, there is a way to combine that into 1 sentence and still work ad intended. That way would also explain that it can reduce both colors on one spell for a reduction of 2 which is a question that's asked a lot.
@@BluebearsGames not without making it significantly more wordy and significantly more ambiguous
Look at the liege cycle they wrote it specifically separately for clarity
@BluebearsGames I could see that question if you are new to the game but once it's been answered the one time it should be crystal clear
@@christophercombs7561 seal of the guildpact exists though too, which was reprinted recently with how it would be made to be a little less wordy and ambiguous. From what I u derstand it would be something g to tge effect of
Ao then for it to be one line it would have to read:
Each spell you cast thats blue and/or white costs 1 less to cast for each of its colors.
@BluebearsGames and/ or is intrinsically more ambiguous than having 2 seperate abilities and how does that convert to other languages for foreign players?
May be the craziest smothering tithe take ever
Not exactly a take, more like past experience. I've just not really had much luck with it in other builds actually netting me much. I will do more testing before the eventual update video of course and who knows, maybe this is the one build its meant for the most and I'll correct it in the update video.
@@BluebearsGames Maybe it’s my group, but whenever one of us uses it, it usually nets an even or positive ratio, either by opponents paying or treasures netted
@@Ginkrepeerc_ that's what I hear all the time, but I haven't had much luck with it. I always get it either too late or if early, it's against decks that ramp a lot so they just pay and continue with their turn as normal.
It's possible I'm just jaded because of that and it left a bad taste for me and this is the one build where it will get max use for me finally.
I went to my last commander night and I got infinite combod. I’m going to stax the shit out of people. Any thoughts to cards like thorn of amethyst and sphere of resistance ?
The question I have for you is, was tge infinite combo that got you, an infinite mana combo? If so, then adding stuff that makes things cost more to cast a little less effective.
With that being said, I myself personally like those types of cards in more competitive formats to slow the game down enough to hopefully take control, but honestly, I've only ever used them in 60 card formats and not tried them in commander.
How well does azors elecut9rs work
Ehhhh, let's just say I'm looking at other win cons to add in
@BluebearsGames ok that's good to know before i buy.
Cause me and my friends at the lgs i went to tonight cant seem to understand why all the arbiter decks run it.
I just built mine 2 days ago and it's almost spot for spot your deck minus a few cards.
But right now my only win cons are luminarch
Approach of the second sun
And mystical tutor entreated the angels.
I want to find a few more solid win lines
@@Mibit911 it's in a lot of lists because it's a win con that if tg game is locked you can pull it off, but it's juat a very slow Qin that takes 4 full rounds of hoping nobody can answer. I'm gonna look for a faster one that's bot felidar sovereign or the enchantment version of that
@@BluebearsGames ypu could use emergency zone to flash out fleider sovereign lol
@@Mibit911 and hope nobody has instant removal of course.
You sound like you're from Boston
Close. I'm from Nj.