How do I start an English civil war army?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- Alright guys. I've been asked by a couple of people how to go about starting an force force for English civil war or for the pike and shotte era.
I thought I would take this opportunity to make a video showing how a force of the time would have have even organised and also some great rules and figures to use or check out if your interested
Intro 0:05
The army components 0:45
A Regiment of Foot 2:17
A Horse Regiment 8:29
Dragoon regiment 9:54
A Foot Battalia 11:09
Army Structure 13:57
Rules 18:46
Sorce material and references 20:16
Manufacturers 22:44
Final Conclusion 24:35
Source material check out these sites
Keep your powder dry
www.keepyourpowderdry.co.uk/?m=1
British Civil war
bcw-project.org/
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Also a special thank you to the Combined military service museum in Heybridge for letting me use there facilities for filming and for the allowing me to use some of their peices in my video.
cmsm.co.uk/
hopefully you can all find some help with all this information. if you have any questions don't forget to put something in the comments or you can get in touch via email at
millersminiatures@gmail.com
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Thank you for putting all this together! As an American I find ECW so interesting. And your video has the most interesting I have found so far. Thank you again!
Glad you like it mate. 😁👍
Brilliant video mate, a must watch for anyone thinking of getting into the period 👍
Cheers mate. Hopefully it will be of some help. 😁👍
For anyone in the British Isles, why not consider raising the forces/battles of your local area? Websites like the BCW Project can help with the research. An obvious future project could be a demo game in the locality, which would be bound stimulate the interest of the locals themselves.
Yes you are right. My force is based on the Eastern association which was an army that was raised in the area I live. And I love The BCW website as its been really helpful when I've been doing research which is why I mentioned it in my useful material and put its linke below. 😁👍
@@MillersMiniatures my armies will be based around Harry Hasting' s Midland Army working out of Ashby de la Zouch and Belvoir Castle, Sir Gervase Lucas , with M y lord Northampton regiments of infantry, cavalry and dragoons, for the Parliementarians . Sir John Gell of Derby, Regiment of infantry, dragoon s and cavalry , My lord Grey of Groby ,regiments of infantry and cavalry,
Great idea
As a Brit YEA
A really useful intro, thanks! I am starting to build a small Montrose force as part of a group effort to get playing using an ECW adaptation of sharp practice 2.
Great video, really useful and well put together. Beautiful miniatures too.
Very informative video for anyone who is interested in pike and shot games. Thanks a lot!
⭐ Excellent presentation - very helpful - thanks for taking the time to make this ⭐ 👍
Thank you for posting this, really interesting. It`s the first time I have understood it properly. BRILIANT!
Your more than welcome mate. Really glad it was of some help to you. 😁👍
Very interesting video mate. Broke it all down really well and seems a great guide to follow when starting.
Cheer callum. Glad you like it mate. 😁👍
Top advice mate. Will be brilliant for new starters to the period.
Cheers paul. 😁👍
Thank you for sharing this! For when I ever get my Covenanters/ECW project off the ground, this vid and your great list in the description are a great resource.
No worries mate. I'm glad it can be of some help to you. 😄👍
Thank you for this extremely thorough video. Just what I was looking for to get me started on ECW.
Haha no worries mate. Hope you can find plenty of help from it. 😁👍
Excellent stuff Miller. Really educational and helpful 👍
Cheers dome mate really appreciate it. 😁👍
Thanks for the video. Gives me an idea of what to get 👍
No worries mate. Glad it can be of help to you. 😁👍
Love this video mate, don't know how I missed it, definitely coming back to this once I get my own project started.
Haha cheers mate. Glad you like it. That's my hope mate that it can help anyone that's interested 😁👍
What a great video. History lesson and great looking figures at the same time, love it. One of the best Pike & Shotte videos for those who want to start this period. Well done! 😃👍👍
Cheers Nic mate really appreciate that. Hopefully I'll be able to do some more at some point. 😁👍
Great, informative vid. Excellent 👍
Cheers mate. Glad you liked it. Hopefully it'll be a help for you when your project starts up 😉👍
This was brilliant mate thank you for this
Cheers mate. Glad it was of some help to you. 😁👍
Great video. Really useful. Saved for future reference 👍
Cheers mate. Appreciate it. Hopefully it helps you in the future. 😁👍
Good work. Your explanation of the use and positioning of the colours is the clearest I have come across; it is often neglected in books.
Cheers mate. Appreciate it. 😁👍
Great video. Very useful
Cheers mate. Im hope it helps 😁👍
Fantastic video, thank you!
Cheers mate. Appreciate it. 😁👍
Very helpful, thanks!!
Thanks mate I'm glad it can help 😁👍
Excellent video miller about time that one of us made a video like this well put together easy to understand and informative , well done mate , maybe I might do something on the Covenanter army in the future . Take care Terry
Cheers Terry. Really appreciate it. And yer that would be a really cool idea. After putting I up I was like oh I forgot this....and this... damn it 🤣👍
Very interesting mate. Great looking collection too. 👍
Cheers mate. Really appreciate it 😁👍
Such a good vid. Thanks mate.
Cheers mate. Hopefully it's of some help to anyone who's interested. 😁👍
Nice vid matey... Lovely stuff👌👍😎
Cheers mate. Glad you like it. 😁👍
Great video! Excellent and concise overview of the period and what forms an army. Eagerly awaiting part 2 of this video series - "How to stop buying yet another pike & shotte army"... 😛
Haha cheers mate. Unfortunately I'm still waiting for someone to do a video for that as I will always have trouble with that issue. 😁👍
Nice video - the symbols on the "flag" ( ensigns/standards ) at around 5:07 are called "pile ( or Pyle) wavy"....
Cheers mate. And thankyou I didn't know that. 😁👍
To go entirely in the opposite direct from army level games you might look into modifying the samurai game "Test of Honour". This is a skirmish game that basically covers the same tech level as ECW, swords, pikes, muskets, etc. It would be useful for scenarios involving ambushing supply trains, foraging parties fighting over supplies, and raids.
You know what that's not a bad idea, and has got those creative thoughts going through my head now. 🤔
That is a cool idea!!
Excellent video mate. Real clear explanation. Hopefully help a few more people get into ECW. 28mm of course...
Cheers matt. Glad you liked it mate. Always helpful to have a break down like this when starting off. 😁👍
Very nice units. I arranged my 30-years war units differently to better show formation changes with smaller bases. But maybe your units can faster be moved over the table. Great video with a love for detail.
Great video bud! Really useful video for those who want some direction with their collection like me :)
Cheers matt. Glad it's of some use. Look forward to seeing what you get up to. 😁👍
Don’t know how I missed this! Great vid mate…
Cheers Simon. Glad you like it 😁👍
Even though ive already started my Montrose/Highland royalist army(need to paint and base most of it ) i really enjoyed your video and thought it was good,cheers.
Haha cheers mate. Glad you enjoyed it. I havent tried montrose or highlanders but I have been tempted but covenanters. But definitely knuckle down and get them done mate 🤣👍
great video, learned a lot.
Cheers dude. I'm happy i could of been some help to you. 😁👍
Really appreciate this video. I just got a starter set but can't decide what side to play...
I'm glad it could be of some help. And as for choosing a side I will always be biased to one side 😅👍
This was great Mr Miller. I have been considering getting into the period. I would love it if you could do an idiot's guide to making a list for Pike & Shotte, and maybe a sample turn of play. I found your video battle report with Martin an excellent overview and would love to see more.
Cheers mate. I'd definitely go for it mate. And yer thats not a bad idea
I'll have a little think about that and see what I can come up with . 😁👍
Thought this was a really good intro to the ECW and pike & shot period more broadly! If you're interested in other rules for the period, I'd also throw Baroque by Dadi & Piombo (all big bases ala Kings of War, which I quite like) and Liber Militum: Tercios (though I'm not familiar with its mechanics, personally). Even the minimalist lightweight pike and shot rules found in Neil Thomas' One-Hour Wargames book as a super simple starting point.
Keep up the content! Always excited to see others doing pike and shot era gaming!
Cheers mate appreciate it. I'll definitely have to check them out mate. 😁👍
I honestly thought this was going to be a history video on how armies were recruited and formed, and not a tabletop tutorial.
Still, great video. 👍
Hah sorry mate. I would have been happy to do it as a history video but there's always room for scepticism in those sorts of videos. I am a great lover of the period and love to game it. so thought I would try and tie it in with the hobby as a lot of people find it hard to grasp the ways the conflicts were fought. Hopefully though like you say people can find interest and entertainment in it even if their not in to the hobby. And even better if their not then maybe its something that might appeal to them and make them want to start. 😁👍
Very good vid. I picked up 'Baroque' and although I haven't played a game yet it reads well.
Cheers mate. I've not heard of them rules before. I'll have to check them out. 😁👍
Looking to convert a large old Empire army from Warhammer to Pike & Shotte Imperials. This video is a great info dump to get me started!
Nice one mate. Im glad I could be of some help. That actually sounds really cool aswell. 😁👍
Good video. Thank you. I’m going down the 10mm route 😊
Cheers mate. A good choice mate 😁👍
Good video. My long deferred 30YW project just got a step nearer.
Haha great to hear mate. Glad you liked it 😁👍
Great video, love anything ECW, I would also recommend Sharp Practice, you have to download TooFatLardies 2017 Xmas special to get the army lists, but it adds another option.
Cheers mate. I've not heard of that mate I'll definitely look in to that!! 😁👍
A couple of common mistakes made in this video... Royalists wearing floppy hats for example, in the pub, yes (many Parliamentarians did too), on the battlefield they all wore the armoured helmets shown.... it took a while to resupply the New Model Army so not all of them were given red coats right away.
Great vid 👌 as usual, very informative with loads of usefull information, many thanks miller, oh by the way i saw the batrep with martin 7th son, great 👍 superb please do more, im 😀 gonna upset you now though, huuzzzah for charlie the 🤴...many kind regards Iain 😀 😊
Cheers mate. Appreciate it. Glad you enjoyed the Batrep aswell. Hope we'll have another game soon in the future. 😁👍
I see you’re filming at CMSM 😂 Perfect setting really. I’m popping down there tomorrow if you’re about.
Hi Miller, nice one. Really enjoy this one. Still not find the answer, about playing more than one company from one regiment in a battalia. Anyway thank you for this guideline.
Thanks mate. So like I was saying the a regiment is made up of those 3 units (2 musket and 1 pike block) depending how you want to do it with a game you can either play it as they are 3 separate units in a regiment so I'd you had 2 regiments in a battalia that would mean 6 units. Or some people play the game that they are 1 complete unit so they move fight and shoot as unit which would mean 2 regiments in a battalia would mean you had only 2 units. It can work well that way but if you do the 40 man regiments they can take up a lot of room for a single unit.
Hope that helps a bit.😁👍
@@MillersMiniatures well no really. Take for example Hoptons Regiment, has 10 comanies. My point is playing 3 of these companies as 3 Pike blocks with musket wings as one battalia with one uniform colour, more or less.
Or taking the Ironside from Cromwell and playing it as a horse battalia with 3 units of horse one maybe large..
So instead of a named regiment is part of a battalia, the named regiment is the battalia.
Hope you understand me.
@@tabletopgeneralsde310 right so you are more than welcome to do it that way. But multiple companies would make up a single pike block. And then other companies would make up both musket wings. There's a couple of exception where they would have been large regiments that might have been split in to a couple of like blocks but that would have been very rare and it was hard to find a regiment at full strength during the war.
You can play it with a single regiment as a battalia as I have done that before but only as a small battlia so 2 wings of muskets 1 pike and just for an extra couple of units have a cannonn and maybe some horse.
@@tabletopgeneralsde310 and as for cavalry your right that cromwell has a large cavalry unit but it still would have been in 1 large unit of 12 troops of horse rather than lots of units.
Would do that, but would invest in paper miniatures in the future. I've gotten burnt out buying plastics/metal minis and painting over the years.
Thankyou for making this video mate. Subbed. Any tips for basing numbers?
Cheers for the sub mate. Yer depends how you want to do it I've seen people do 2 bases of 8 for the pikement and 2 bases of 6 for each of the muskets wings so you then have 4 bases of 6 figures to make 2 units I did 4 to a base but then use movement trays. It's entirely up to you. But I normally stick to 16 man blocks for a standard unit of pike and 12 man musket wings. And cavalry regiments i do 12 man standard but again its entirely up to you. I guess it all depends on what rules you plan to us. Mine normally is pike and shot and they work on frontages for the units so you can put as many figuers as fits the space. So once you know what your system is it up to you. 😁👍
@@MillersMiniatures thanks dude that's really helpful! I will use pike and shotte too methinks, same vein as Hail Caesar?
Just found you on TH-cam. I really, REALLY found this video informative and entertaining. Thank you for putting this together and sharing! Have you chosen to stop creating on TH-cam?
Wonderful and insightful video. I just got myself the Landsknecht starter army from Warlord Games and want to use them for the pike & shotte rules to start off. I am, however, unsure on how to base them to eventually use them for different rule sets in the future. My go-to option would be to base them seperatly and use movement trays. Do you have any recommendations for base size and where to get the similar trays to yours? Thank you in advance and keep up the great work. Really enjoying your videos!
Hello mate. Really glad you like it. Basing is entirely down to the modelers choice. But in some cases like you say you might want to change the rule set you want to use. So for that i would just have a look at warbases and see of thsres anythin on there that might suit you. Also doodle tech here some really good movement tray and it was them who I had design and make the movement trays I use for my ECW stuff. Hopefully this can help you. 😁👍
@@MillersMiniatures Brilliant, thank you very much. I'll have a look there and see what I can find. :-D
Awesome vid. Great information for the period. Did you invade your library ?
Haha cheers mate. Unfortunately my home isn't that grand to have a library. Was filmed in the meeting room of the Combined military services museum in my town. 😁👍
A lot of TH-camrs have a remarkable "talent" for taking a long time to not explain things very clearly. Thank goodness you're not one of them. This video was exceptional and I'm probably going to spend way too much time this afternoon watching more of your videos.
There are a couple of things I would add to the information presented here, if I may be so bold --
First, the word Battalia sounds a lot like "battalion" so that could be confusing to someone with a cursory knowledge of things military. In this period a battalia was more akin to what we know as a Brigade.
Secondly, "uniforms" of the ECW often consisted of whatever clothing the individual soldier had to wear - though there were exceptions. So unless a person wanted to do a bit of research to replicate a particular regiment, it's entirely appropriate to have all or most of your units made up of randomly clothed rank and file wearing whatever they would have worn to their "civilian" jobs. (On the other hand, making them "random" is a challenge all to itself, and it's much easier to paint all the coats the same color, all the stockings the same color, etc. I know from bitter experience whereof I speak regarding this matter.)
Again, wow, what an incredibly useful video, and thanks for supplying all those links!
Thankyou mate I really appreciate this comment.
I agree with points aswell and I can definitely understand their being a possibility of the confusion with the battalia mix up.
Hopefully you find more of interest on my channel mate. And hopefully I'll be able to get round making some more content soon aswell. 😁👍
Just geting back into the period after watching your excellent battle report with Martin. I cyrrently have 8 figs on each Musketeers Wing so maybe I need to make them bigger. I also may rebase them On the type of bases Martin is using, but then I like the "to Defy a King " rules by Keith Johnson which are ideal fot the Way yours are based. Too many rule systems too many Decisions to make!
Cheers mate. Im glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully we'll be getting another one in at some point soon. As for the basing there's nothing wrong ith having 8bman wings. I've got 2 regiments with that and for the rule set that we play it still falls under a regular sized unit. How for visuals it does look pretty good having them that way. Honestly if I was to redo the army again I would have the musket wings 3 men deep as they would have been more like blocks than line formations. I havent heard of them rules but i will definitely check them out thankyou. 😁👍
Great video Miller. You obviously enjoy the period and it comes over in this film.
So what is the difference in the game of 'To Kill a King' between Dragoons, musketeers, forlorn hope and commanded shot.
Cheers Leslie it's is a period I am very fond of and will be a project that fo me will never end.
As for the differences in those units the dragoons are a mounted unit can ride up and dismount and if used correctly (and if the dice gods will it) can be used to some effect at moving up and holding a position and moving out quickly if needed.
Where as the musketeers and commanded shot both essential the same thing. However the commanded shotte get a better moral and shooting value. But they would be used independently to the pike block. You can obviously play musketeers independently but if you want to try keep the the tactics then its not somethin they would do. Commanded shotte also can have fire locks.
The forlorn hope are just another way of saying the Storming Party. You can use the fire lock figure or some of the other figures as they have mixed weapons but they can also take other things like Grenades and petards.
Hopefully that helps a little.
@@MillersMiniatures Thank you for your reply.
Just to check as maybe missed the link, but which was the ECW Atlas you refer to there's a few of them. Who was the author? Thanks.
I would like to do ECW in 15mm using Blue Moon figures. What base widths would you recommend? Loving your 28mm tho!!
That sounds good to me. I like the blue moon figures. As for base sizes I guess it would all depend how large a frontage you would need for a game and how many figures you would want to have on inna regiment. I have done a unit of 15mm steel fist minitures but they come up smaller than the blue moon figures and I used a 100mm base for the pikes and 60mm baes for each of the muskets blocks.
Most inspirational. Fine looking army of figures.
Cheers mate. Appreciate it 😁 👍
Most deserved for a useful and visually enjoyable channel.
Hey, great video. What was the smaller game type rules you said? I cant make out what you are saying. Cheers!
Cheers mate. Im glad you like it. Yer sorry for the inaudible moment where my tough runs away with itself 🤣
It's pikemens lament. Their produced by osprey and part of the lion rampant series they have created just but adapted to suit the English civil war. 😁👍
@@MillersMiniatures thanks for the swift reply! hah dont be sorry it would be a combo of your runaway tough and my shithouse laptop speaker. Thanks heaps.
Hi sir, quick question. I’ve been trying to do some research on the uniforms of Montrose’s Irish regiments. Any idea which color scheme their coats might have been? I found one picture of a brown jacket but it was one musketeer. Thanks!
Alright mate. The Irish were mostly drummed up from among the of the small towns and villages, and they wouldn't have really had a uniform. Their would have had a mix of cloths of the common people mixed in with some tartans and different cloaks of blankets as either their personal affects means of protection. They didn't even really have the supplies of weapons and mostly looted any muskets they would have carried. A very difficult faction to research I'm afraid.
@@MillersMiniatures thanks! I’ll probably just pick common peasant colors! Glad I saw this vid too because I JUST placed a Wargame Designs flag order. Emailed him to see if he can reduce the flag sizes. I appreciate your expertise!
All nice and that but as a spanish my interest lies on the 30 years war 80 years war
= P
Nice video
I want to play as Poland how can I do so
Hi Miller, I’m considering dipping my toe into ECW. What sets of rules are there for me to choose from. Anything that’s a skirmish size so I can try as I paint ?? I got into napoleonic’s by playing sharp practice
Hello mate. I'm glad to here you thinking of having a go. Unfortunately there isn't much in the way of skirmish rules as the period is mostly fought with large pike blocks and wings of muskets. However there's is always pikemens lament which does appere to be on the smaller scale that pike and shotte or for king and parliament. i did hear a little while ago that the too fat lardys did do a sharp practice set of rules for the ECW period but I yet to find it. 😁👍
Do most people play pike and shot then for ECW?
@@andyshaw5378 no not at all. People play loads of different rules like
for king and parliament,
the kingdom is our,
victory without quarter
All are good rule sets. Only I choose to use pike and shotte as I enjoy the rules and they are easy to grasp as thier along the same lines as black powder and hail ceaser.
Evening Miller, quick question - who does the best 10mm ECW flags? Cheers
Personal I haven't done any for this period in their scale but after I got some of the 15mm flags from wargames designs I was surprised how good they were. They also do the same flags at 10mm so I would recommend the.. 😁👍
@@MillersMiniatures that's great. I'll give them a look
Oh, miniatures?
Nevermind
Sorry mate not what you were looking for?
@@MillersMiniatures I was looking for how to start a real life pike and shotte army to overthrow the English government but your minis are cool too I guess
LOO-tenant? Are we in America or something?
Ok but now how to transport it to Ukrainie ?
Hmmm good question. I'll have to get back to you ok that. 🤔👍
The scale is terrible. Going to 10 mm or smaller figures would look much better.
I'm sorry to hear that mate. I really like working with this scale. I have also done some in 15mm and I do always have an open mind on other scales. Have also been tempted by 6mm in the past. Hope the information is useful for you however. 😁👍
@@MillersMiniatures It's TH-cam comments, so I hope it is clear that this is just my opinion. No offense intended. But what I do not like in large scale figures is that there end up being 4 figures on a base representing scores or hundreds of men and at odds with ground scale.
The painting and detail are better in large scale (which you show nicely), but the abstraction to battle-sized units is a stretch.
I prefer the tiny, slightly blobby 10 mm (or even 6mm) for big battles.
Really useful, thank you Miller - Lol I have so far one regiment of Pike and shot painted, so a way to go for me - But watching a good video like this definitely works as positive encouragement to get going! - so many projects 😉🤣
And thanks for giving details of the Keep Your Powder Dry site - it looks a proper treasure trove of useful painting info etc
Cheers mate. Im glad it was some help for you. And thats a good start. Can always have a game with 2 or 3 regiments a side if you use them as separate units so your a 3rd of the way there. 😁👍