Epic new announcement for pike and shotte epic battles from warlord games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- a break down of what ti find in the new announcements and releases for Pike and shot epic battles.
I've been hoping for this since they release the ACW version and so excited for their release!!
I think if I get some, I'll probably go Thirty Years War with it.
Brilliant overview video mate, very informative, thank you again for recording with me last night.
Great report on what to expect mate, will look forward to you breaking down what you can do with the contents 👍
knowing me as soon as I start painting these, they will announce Landsknechts :)
Would love to see a 'epic' battle report between the two of you using these figures.
@@thefireonthehill I'd definitely be up for that, I'm leaning towards the TYW for this one so just have to convince Miller 😁
Been waiting for this since acw. Look like they did a much better job than acw of getting a whole force in the main box
Great stuff mate. Super excited for this release. I'm actually recording my own video just now 🤣
I think this release is going to ruin all my well thought out plans for this year!
Great to see you back! I think Im going to jump on this Epic too. I allready got my self a huge 28mm Pike & Shotte army. But as you say, with this epic scale we can really do those big battles. I was thinking the same with the pikeblock as you. Put more together, 3 or 4. I hope they release a box with ONLY pikemen for us who want to build those massive pikeblocks. If Im going into this Im going all in with the big boxes etc. I just got another gaming table so I have two put together. So my big 28mm army can fit. Im looking forward to see what more they will release for Epic Pike & Shotte. I see you close to 1K subs, this Epic is going to make your channel explode.😁👍 Take care, cheers! 😃🍺
Let's take the pike and shot era back 150 years! Fornovo, the Renaissance wars in Italy, the early Spanish Tercios (including a guard of halberdiers and a line of sword and buckler men with pistols) and (a personal favourite) the rough wooing, the battle of Pinkie 1547 - though alongside the pikemen served longbowmen (on both sides) as well as arquebusiers, and mercenary Italian mounted crossbowmen, English levies with bills and halberds, plus some English warships (including war galleys with cannons in the bow) lying off the coast by the fishing villages etc to fire into the Scottish pike blocks and Highlander longbowmen, as well as those curious double barrelled cannons in the Scots army. Add the Bulleners from the former garrison of Boulogne, with handguns, border reivers and Scottish light horse, and the Gentlemen Pensioners of the Household of the late king Henry VIII - heavy horse with plate armour, whose constant charges upon the Scottish pike phalanx forced it to level pikes and stay put until an unbearable hail of shot, arquebus balls and arrows caused a collapse of morale whereupon the Scots threw down their pikes and streamed to the rear, Arthur's Seat and the hills West of Edinburgh visible in the background. A winding river and a church on a knoll are in the centre, East lies the coast, let's include the two camps of the combatants with wagons, tents, barrels, herds of cattle, and supernumaries and shirkers as these were in the battle line or close by. The Scots phalanx (pikes supplied from France) had charged, thinking to use it's impetus and a measure of tactical surprise, like the Swiss had done at Novara
Excellent video, thanks very much for making it. I'm really excited for this release, having wanted to collect Pike & Shot for years, but you need a lot of storage space for 28mm pike men - this size would be ideal. It will be really interesting to see how they size up against your Steel Fist miniatures as they are known for being on the smaller end of 15mm.
Fab run through of the box sets 👍. I am very tempted. On the Warlord Spanish twitter feed yesterday they had a set of 20 different Epic generals as well. Scaled down versions of the ECW and TYW 28mm ones. There will be no shortage for command groups 😀👍.
Really excited for this. Often though of creating the King’s Oxford Army for the tabletop. This will push me into doing it for sure.
Excellent video and overview, on one of the Spanish sites they had photos of four general packs ( two for the ECW and two for the 30 years war) with all tha named generals. Also shows a star fort as well.😀
Good video mate! Looking forward to seeing your new army take shape when it comes out.
Great video miller nice to have you back
I might bite I've been thinking about a 30 years war army for a while.
Looks like the push I needed. I played ECW years ago at 28mm and a bit of 15mm but sold the lot years ago and moved into boardgaming (like Hollandspiele's Horse and Matchlock and GMT's musket and Pike) . I'm going all in on this (and then some 😂) . The different coloured plastic is the clincher, as I will play and paint at my own pace. Plus I'm guessing the units will work well for FoGR too. My dream would be a recreation of the Battle of Worcester. Although a windmill for Naseby would be sweet!
This is great. I was going to get into 28mm ECW last year, but I liked the epic ACW stuff so much I thought I'd hold out a year or two to see if Warlord brought out epic ECW. And here we are. Very excited about this.
Solid video Miller, I agree with you on the Battle focus - seems odd compared to previous Epic sets when they could have done Edgehill, or Nasby, or second Newbury - maybe a Marston Moor expansion with Covenanters. If I had one beef, and its a small beef, then its the musket rests on all the musketeers - limits it to the early war years of the British Civil Wars in my head - although great for most of the Thirty. But I can't pretend that is going to put me off too much and I sure as anything will happily play 1644+ battles with them too.
Covenanters would need different sprues - bonnetted infantry (although wahey greenstuff) and lancers maybe, so probably expansions
Now I just have to work out which loyal forces of the King to face off against dastardly rebels. Maybe Hastings North Midlands army and other elements from local forces vs elements of both Manchester and Fairfax's association forces. Leaving out Cromwell though - overhyped. :D
Well done James. Some of it may be being done for Salute this year!!
Great review, thanks for posting. You are right on the money with this scale being able to be more representative of historical tactics on the tabletop, afraid I might need to dive into this for that reason alone (nothing to do with how good the minis look - promise! :-P ).
For resin bits we might be seeing a generic 'commander' pack, and probably one themed for both sides for TYW and ECW commanders. Beyond that maybe some Montrose Irish 'upgragde' parts to convert the plastic sprues to the army of Montrose, or resin croats or guard cavalry? Keen to see what they have in mind regardless :) Cheers and thanks for posting, was great to hear your thoughts!
Great review.
Great now I have decided to go with 6mm. I might get a few boxes for skirmish, they do look very nice I dare say they will do generals, Scott's as they did with the naps and acw.
This does look lovely though...the buildings are gorgeous.
I see they adressed aii my criticisms with epic ACW in this (and retroactively with ACW). Very nice! I'm tempted...
Great period to expand into. Hope they provide some more releases specific to the 30 Years War.
As to possible future periods to do, id love to seen Epic cover the following:
Franco-Prussian War
Later Samurai Warfare
and War of the Roses
Cheers! 5:16
He’s back!!!!!
Nice presentation. I'm tempted to get one of this deals.
Very informative video mate. I have had a couple of false starts with ECW, both in 28 and 15mm. I can really see this working for me. I think you are dead right on the question of tactics aspect.
I have recently downsized house and so my gaming board will be smaller than before. This scale will suit perfectly.
I’m a little troubled how I’ll cope with the painting aspect. Doing 28s I tend to be drawn to detail and can see these driving me mad unless I develop another technique. Cue for a painting tutorial there😁
Great.
The ACW starter set was good value for money. Then the expansions had a price explosion and I lost interest. Hopefully this doesn't go the same way.
I am all over this like stink on a skunk. All in pack for me, 1 month in and royalist army almost done. Parliament is next, then making the buildings and movement trays. Jesus wept its a ton of minis! Cheers from Virginia USA.
They do look very nice. Always thought this period would be better at this scale. Definitely tempted, just where will I find the time lol
That is excellent news. I hope all of the boxes will be compatible with 30 Years War factions (including Swedish and HRE flags).
You're kinda in for a disappointment I hate to say, as the kits, while beautiful, don't accurately represent the continental armies of the period
Hope the book can be obtained separately. Already have 10mm ECW.
The Scots are next. I wrote to Warlord wanting some insights and to basically ask for Croat horsemen after reading the Osprey Lutzen book. I was told that Scots are next.
As for Napoleonics maybe Austrians and Russians but I believe these may be further off.
Bit confused on the numbers of harqubusiers. Pics show 6 15strong troops. Description lists 60 cavalry?? That makes sense going by the sprues and the cavalry boxes but the push of pike photos clearly show 90 or so cavalry. (Not counting curaissers) Hmm?
Photos have now been amended and 60 Cavalry confirmed. I guesstimate starter box and 3 cavalry sets would cover you for most scenarios from to kill a king. Really keen to know if there's anything new scenario wise in the new rule book.
In regards of picking the battle for TYW, its either Breitenfeld or Lützen (obviously the latter is better known due to the death of Gustavus). So it does make sense to pick this one.
Neither of those battles can be accurately represented sadly. The Swedish musketeers wore pot helmets just like the pikemen, and there is an overabundance of distinctly British headgear among the units instead of round hats. The cavalry have the three-barred zischagge unique to the British Isles, and there's an absence of harquebusiers. Additionally, the falconets were not seen in mainland Europe.
@@schiltno.3bis Yeah, that is the point that keeps me from preordering as well. I don't care about ECW at all but I do want to do Breitenfeld, Lützen etc at some point. And unless there will be 2nd waves that are more compatible to the continental 1630ies i think i will pass and instead look at offerings in metal (10 or 15 mm).
@@philippheiermann93 yeah haha the Khurasan Miniatures look really good!
Good report,guessing highlanders and other units will come out later,although im fairly sure i could make the irish brigade,,gordon horse etc out of this,although i may go TYW with this one and leave the war of the 3 kingdoms at 28mm?.
I just wish they released accurate TYW miniatures instead of repurposed ECW units
Great review miller 👍 quick question could you paint one side red and use them as new modal army for nasby? As I’ve got the start of a 28mm marston moor project I want to finish 😅
100% mate. Some people might argue that the musketeers wouldn't have had musket rests in the new model army but when you stand back and play the game noone would notice so I would say you can definitely do them as NMA
@@MillersMiniatures Thanks for information mate 👍
Been doing Pike an Shotte in 6mm for a longtime because of manouverabilty on a 6x4 table. Do I need Epic armies to add to thousands of 6mm? Of course I do. Darn it.
I have a question as someone new to ecw if a regiment is deployed as a combined unit (pikes and muskets) can they be split to form a block of pikes and a unit of musketeers or do they have to stay as a combined unit the whole battle, I looked in the books but it doesn’t seem clear
It depends on how you want to play the rules. You can play as either and I think in the book it does about taking either individual units of pike or shotte or a combined unit. In which case they have set stats for those units. But if you take a unit of pike and shot as 1 unit you can't then separate them. If you take them as separate units but keep them together as if they were one then yes you can do as you like with them
I know I am late at the party but are there any other ECW rules that would be suitable for Epic models as I’m just not a fan of Pike & Shotte?
Do you think the pike and shotte rules will get an update now like hail Caesar
I wouldn't play P&S rules at any scale.
Which factions (nations)?
If you watch the video he tells you 🙄
Not an expert but the flags look to cover Denmark, the Dutch, French and Sweden for the Protestants and the Holy League/HRE and spanish for the Catholic side. So a bit of flexibility depending on when in the TYW you were looking at :)
The standing still unit is boring.