Tim burton didn’t direct the movie, but I won’t be deleting this video, because if a movie has an unbearable Johnny depp, it was, in spirit, directed by Tim burton. Take me down if you need to but that’s the truth
Tim Burton’s worst “eccentricities” have infested quite a lot of modern filmmaking in many subtle and overt ways so one could be forgiven and understood when they make a silly slip-up like that, I don’t think it’s any big deal.
My favourite band Nightwish made a movie and I bizarrely found a DVD of it in Morrisons supermarket that didn't mention the band, but instead had a quote saying it was "a dreamlike Tim Burton movie" 😆 so he's even been credited for obscure musical films made by Finnish metal bands... (Also I checked the article they got the quote from and it was someone who asked a fan what they were expecting from watching it, and they said "something dreamlike or like a Tim Burton movie". So it was inaccurate on many levels and not even a quote from someone who had seen the movie lol)
@@kittykittybangbang9367 it's called Imaginaerum, it was actually directed by Stobe Harju who is known for working on video games like Quantum Break and Alan Wake
If Tim Burton can get the unearned accolades for being the director for Nightmare Before Christmas, then he can absolutely be roasted for Into the Woods. That's called karma. I think
Lol “but he’s not the director he was just billed on the movie for marketing purposes, which is so smart, so genius, so profound! No one will be confused!”
Ok i'm sorry but the clip of the musical had me in tears. You can see the wolf's junk just out in the open and somehow this comes off less creepy than Deep's performance.
Fun fact: the wolf’s junk in the stage musical was originally bigger and more humanoid, but it got such a huge reaction from the audience in previews that they didn’t hear the first 30 seconds of the song, so they diminished it down to what’s on the video.
It is impressive since he seems to have no musical talent. Is he there for the normies?? Do they think they need him there to make them feel better about seeing a musical???
Little Joel: "This video is just not going to make sense to people who don't have a really good memory of the stage production of Into the Woods, or the movie for that matter." Me, having never seen either the stage production or the movie: "Ah, yes, the perfect video for me!"
I've seen the movie, and I'm pretty forgiving with movies, but it was hard to like it. Not sure how the screen play was, but them being in the woods was just an excuse for all their shitty behavior :') it felt flat and indeed like the woods were pretty small, but somehow they kept losing things. Wouldn't recommend
When Little Joel said this video probably wouldn't make sense to people without a really good memory of the stage production of Into the Woods, I was like, "My high school obsession with Sondheim musicals has prepared me specifically for this moment."
*Snooty accent* : Look at this nouveau riche Sondheim fan over here. I’ll have you know I’ve been watching Into the Woods since *BIRTH* because I got *MY* Sondheim obsession the *RIGHT* way: by *INHERITING IT* from my *ELDERLY JEWISH GRANDMOTHER*
thank you for doing a side by side comparison of Johnny Depp as the Wolf vs how the Wolf should be portrayed on stage. i've never seen the stage version and if it's got such committed actors to awoo in front of a live audience i know it is something i must see as soon as possible.
@@Sneaker3719 I'm sorry but your message linking to the stage production of into the woods is nearly indistinguishable from those comment bots trying to get you to click on a sus link xD
@@Sneaker3719 Thanks of the link. 30 minutes in. It took less than five to fully understand why the stage version >>> Disney's. It's not just because the 2014 film was post 9/11 and therefore takes a "grimier", more cynical, perspective. The stage version just has that right mix of "whimsy" and passion. You FEEL things WITH the characters. The fundamental difference is the "show vs. tell" issue with movies. Both the stage and film version "tell more than show". However, film DEMANDS you show. Burton's version does add a few elements, but the over reliance on expecting the audience to connect with the characters while lacking the "intimate setting" makes it feel... "empty"? (as Joel states). The dynamic and kinetic pacing of the stage version makes up for that reliance on exposition. The movie lacks the pacing and "warmth" of the stage version. It can't possibly compensate properly by being a strict adaptation. Burton's version had 100 times the budget and potential and lacks imagination. The stage version understands and uses the limitations imposed on it to help the audience make the world around it appear authentic.
@@RubenSilva-tk4yb If you watch all the way to the end you'll realize that the omission of the narrator and mysterious man undercuts the second act's message of carrying on when you feel lost. The movie seemed to be so occupied by adapting the fairy tales in the first act (or Into the Woods Jr. basically), that it forgot that the second act is what makes the musical special and ends up rushing through it in order to cram in the songs people like from Act 2. Even worse is that with the omission of the narrator/mysterious man AND the decision to have Depp play the wolf rather than the actor who plays Cinderella's Prince you lose the double meaning of their double casting. The wolf is played by Cinderella's Prince because we learn in the second act that Cinderella's Prince is exactly like the wolf, preying on women to sate a hunger within him. This is even foreshadowed in the Witch's song "Stay With Me" where she talks about Princes and Wolves in the same breath when talking about the dangers of the world.
I made my family watch it recently after they only saw the movie and after all the fuss I made finally they were like "ohhhh okay i get what you were saying" lol
My biggest ick of the into the woods movie is how young they made Jack, and how literal Giants in the sky feels now. Jack being nearly a grown adult is a huge plot point, as well as being a massive source for humor since he’s so dumb and gullible. Giants is the sky is a metaphor for growing up and that grief you feel of no longer being a child. It’s about the excitement and freedom of being an adult but wanting to hold onto your childhood. With a literal child singing it, it looses that meaning. It also absolves Jack as lot of his actions by making him a kid. He’s some one who should know better than to steal and terrorize that giants the ways that he did. He made a lot of missteps in the chase of getting his cow back, and they had consequences. Jack being so young makes the character as a whole so toothless and it really bothers me.
I don't remember everything about the show or the movie super well but just watching Giants in the Sky from the movie, I actually really like Jack as an actual kid. I think it serves that song very well at least, both in theme and just vocal range and stuff. I think the metaphor still totally works, Jack is growing up way faster than he should have to
Dang, I relate hard to that sentiment today, about the grief of no longer being a child. (This morning I teared-up watching the ending of a slice-of-life anime where the cast all graduate, and then in the afternoon I attended a reunion with several of my childhood friends whom I've not seen in years). So... even though I've never seen the stage musical, never realised that the song had that message, I still feel very angry that the film butchered it to shit.
obsessed with joel misspeaking and saying tim burton was involved in this adaption because he definitely wasn't, but also this film is bad in ways that feel like exactly what tim burton would do so i can't fault our lil joel.
Let's not allow this to distract us from the real important topics. Like the whereabouts and existence of the allegedly medium sized Joel. Have we seen him ? Were his alleged sightings true, or merely an optical illusion? If they were an illusion was it little joel, or big joel that was mistaken for the medium sized legend ? Is he merely a myth ? . . The real hard hitting questions the government doesn't want you asking
1:46 “something about the way all the characters kept running into each other, just running into each other and talking, made the woods feel smaller than they ever did on the musical theatre stage.” Exactly. This. You just explained so much about why I didn’t like into the woods
I havent seen the movie in a long time, so maybe he’s correct and they do feel weirdly small, but I’m pretty sure the moments he mentioned that were “added for the movie” were actually in the show originally. Like I played the bakers wife and I was onstage for agony, hiding behind a set piece. And I vaguely remember jack running in at some point like “GUYS I GOT FUVE GOLD PIECES” so like I think the show is just VERY convenient in general and it’s pretty much impossible to get around that
That's so incorrect though. E.g. for "Giants in the Sky", immediately after in the stage musical, Jack runs up to the Baker and gives him 5 gold pieces. Or for the Baker's wife with the Princes: she meets them in the musical too! It's the same number of encounters! If anything it's more: The Baker's wife meets Cinderella every night in the stage musical.
@@MrSamwise25 It’s the way they’re structured. Jack running into the baker AFTER the soliloquy by himself allows our brain to fill in as much time as we want where Jack was in the woods LOOKING for the baker. In this he just runs directly to the baker from his house as though he knew exactly where he would be. It just changes the framing in such a way that it removes the buffer offered by suspension of disbelief.
@@bbgncntrl I think he's way too wooden. I like my Sweeney Todd with a bit of simmering rage on the cusp of boiling over. Also, I'm sorry, he was way too pale! He had just come back from Australia! I don't deny his look was excellent, but it didn't make sense with the character's narrative. Imo, Sweeney Todd shouldn't be hot
@@DogNamedWatson are you saying that crooning like you’re Eric Clapton ISNT a good vocal choice for a blood focused sociopath hell bent on his revenge?
This is one of the few adaptations/remakes that genuinely fills me with rage bc into the woods is so near and dear to me and they just removed everything that made the story feel special 😭
Actually the bakers wife does stumble on the princes, and it’s actually really important because that’s how she discovers a woman with hair as yellow as corn. She even has a little line about how hot they are, I think
@@LenSchiff I think it's less prophetic and more that america has yet to change. It's examining the problems of the past, and we have the same problems. The same reason people think the simpsons predicted everything when it was merely parodying the issues of the time.
as someone who has the stage production pretty much memorized, this was a good video. also the baker's wife did run into the princes singing agony in the stage play, she comes out to deliver a line immediately afterwards talking about how there's two handsome princes, but she has to go get the cow instead.
The stage production of ITW is very important to me, and makes me cry every time I watch it, but to this day I don’t understand why they put such a MASSIVE ding-dongin’ SHLONG on that wolf.
My favorite movie is _The Last Unicorn._ Eventually a group comes together, but they were all characters that met each other by chance. They had many random encounters, there were people who ran off never to be seen again. The journey lasts for quite a while. The forest is made to feel so large and inescapable despite on the true outskirts of the forest’s society.
honestly calling it "tim burton's into the woods" rather helpfully sums up my feelings about it as an adaptation regardless of whether he directed it, so. helpful
into the woods is one of my favorite musicals and i have been so terrified to watch this movie. thank you for confirming these fears and making me want to rewatch the pbs recording
It’s actually horrendous, to the point where me and several handfuls of theater kids I’ve talked to (all of whom saw this film in their lifetimes) just sorta memory holed the final product
Honestly, the only scene from the movie I'd recommend is Agony - it's up here on TH-cam so you don't need to sit through the rest of the film to get to it. The vocal performances obviously aren't on the same level as the stage show, but there's an over-the-top physicality to the scene that accentuates the song's silliness. Of course, they cut the reprise as part of their general mangling of the show's structure, so 🙃
This one for me was an airplane movie, and as such it's barely more than a hazy dream in my memory. Ty little joel for treading through the backrooms of my mind!
The only movie I can remember watching on an aeroplane is The Art of Self-Defense. It was not what I was expecting - it was way better. Strangely off-kilter in a really hilarious and slightly unsettling way.
Strangely enough I watched some of my most favourite movies in airplanes. I watched Up, The Green Knight and the Grand Budapest Hotel, among others and thoroughly enjoyed all of them.
@@fpedrosa2076 I watched The Green Knight on an airplane too! What made the experience even more surreal was it was on an older in-flight video system, and the screen did not deal well with all the darkness 😅
This is unrelated to the content of this specific video, but I just want to point out my favorite moments from this "little joel" channel are the ends- about a second and a half between when you finish talking and when you stop recording. Something liminal about it that it feels like the middle third of a conversation and we're not privy to the first third or able to respond the last third like we (the audience) would in any in-person interaction. Just the plain emotion of "I'm done talking now."
Having the character constantly run into each other makes the overlapping fairytales feel less like a clever plot device and more like you accidentally made a potato salad. Also I really hate that they removed both the narrator and the bakers' father, partially because it means they lost a lot of the emotional coil for the baker's storyline, but also because both were just replaced with more James Corden.
@@TimothyCHenderson I did a lot of acting in college and watched a lot of plays, both live and filmed. That is my favorite show and that is my favorite version, to the point where I hated a production where I was the Baker because it couldn’t be as good.
Into the woods was my first foray into Musical Theatre and then i watched the actual performance put on by high-school actors and realised i had watched a total bastardisation lol
the stage production was one of those vhs tapes i'd watch over and over again all day as a kid. its visual details are more memorable to me than are those of most of the homes i've lived in. i couldn't agree more strongly with your observation of the cramped, floating impression given by the sets of the remake. its literalism, ironically, winds up making it resemble paper doll theater
I've never seen the stage version of Into The Woods, but I felt the exact same way when I saw the movie. Like oh this is just a tiny plot of woods that everyone hangs out in all the time.
0:57 “Like he was bad in Sweeney Todd, he was exceptionally bad in Sweeney Todd, but then Tim Burton was just like ‘you can outdo that sh*t. You can be the nastiest little freak I’ve ever seen. You can be extremely annoying on screen, and that’s your right, Johnny Depp.’ Lmao
My first exposure to Les Miserables, Sweeney Todd, AND Into the Woods were the movie adaptations, so while I realize that everyone dislikes these movies and probably with good reason, they are unfortunately the definitive versions to me.
I was in a production of into the woods once, and I played Jack (technically I was the understudy for the real jack but he couldn’t perform one of the two nights because he twisted his ankle) and I COMPLETELY agree with everything. The woods feel so small in the movie. Yes, characters run into each other all the time in the stage production, but thematically it’s important. And the second act makes the woods feel massive and imposing. One of my friends played the wolf in our production and yeah. He was so much more fun to watch than Jonathan Depp because he committed to being a little freak onstage instead of whatever depp did. Cutting out no more is an unforgivable sin though and I will stand by that. Into the Woods (2014) wasn’t directed by tim burton but it is a Tim Burton film.
Joel I’m loving the musical content from you lately! The movie was my first introduction to Into the Woods and once I saw the stage musical I realized just how much I was missing. I can never go back, the stage version is just so so much better and one of the best musicals imo. I fucking love this show. It’s hilarious and poignant and so thought out and the movie is just. So bad.
1:12 it’s always such an experience when you hear songs in musical movies and have no idea that it could be good, then hear the musical song and are like ohh that’s what it is. every song in the sweeney todd movie is like that in my opinion. why did they make allan rickman sing. expect i did like johanna and green finch. but good god most of them barely even sounded like songs
This adaptation was my introduction to "Into the Woods" and I made it 10 minutes in before I gave up and just figured it was a garbage story. I'm kind of glad to hear that this was just a bad version. Maybe someday I'll find a better one to watch.
There’s a filmed version with the original cast on TH-cam! Don’t let the movie ruin it for you, it’s a really great show and the movie takes all the humor out of it as well. Also they cut No More which is such an important song and one of my favorites :)
Nah, if your problem was the story and you aren’t a musical theater nerd you won’t like it. The second half is especially bad. It gets all gloomy and they don’t know how to end it.
I saw the movie in theaters and what I felt it was really lacking was a terrible Milky White. Just a big ugly paper mache cow on wheels. Thats what I want to see when I watch Into The Woods. Anyway, my sister and I talked about how weird the wolf was for a long time after seeing it. It's the wrong type of creepy because it takes the implication of the danger of sexual assault to the realm of "is Tim Burton about to show me CSA? Is he that edgy?"
Honestly Into the Woods is one of those musicals that should never have been a movie. It just doesn't work unless it's on stage. They should have given it the Hamilton treatment and released a proshot.
3:52 the baker's wife is there in the original production, after they leave at the end of the song she has a line like "2 princes each more handsome than the other" or something
I never felt like the woods were very big in the stage version either. There was just something about the presentation that made me think it was intentional, that these characters were making something momentous out of something kind of pathetic and small.
The choice of having the Baker's wife stumble upon the princes in the woods makes more sense to me than most other choices in the movie. They were trying to set up her awe at seeing them in person because she's a peasant. This dynamic is a preamble to "Moments in the Woods", her shock, her infidelity. I think it makes total sense as a kind of throwaway tease or foreshadowing. I see it in the same vein as having Baby Shrek and Baby Fiona briefly wave at each other at the very start of Shrek the Musical.
I have a theory about why the excessive running into eachother: so, “No One Is Alone” is one of the big closing moves of the show and movie. In a staged production, there is an ensemble and the cast will all reassemble for those wonderful chorus moments- it’s very clear no one is alone, even with how huge the woods can seem. But the movie version doesn’t have an ensemble on the same way, and it doesn’t have a present orchestra or crew or audience. How can it replicate the feeling of community persisting after loss? The movie leans heavily into the sort of… reconstructed nuclear family of the Baker, Cinderella, Jack, Red, and the infant. So now Jack has to sing to the Baker, that way there’s a sense of some kind of meaningful bond by the end. I think this is a much weaker interpretation of the message, while the staged musical appeals to a sense of a wider world of social connection that meets the fearful loneliness that the woods have sometimes. The movie’s woods feel small because the visible community on screen is also small. It’s like a claustrophobic cul de sac, but the musical benefits from the visibility of all the people who make it work (huge, compared to how visible the strings are in a movie). I’ve never been able to get through Burton’s Sweeney Todd. Never made it past the first 5 min because the absence of an opening chorus was like walking into a house with no floors. Into The Woods knows that the chorus is necessary, but it can’t fill their embodied role anyway. Oh also Depp is unwatchable bad in this.
honestly i feel like many film adaptations of plays have this problem. contemporary theater deliberately plays with the whole allegorical/suspension of disbelief aspect in a way that most movies can't replicate
thank you for the love of god my parents were watching this movie years ago and i only was present for maybe the middle half hour of it and that feeling of rushing claustrophobia as if the characters are encouraged to bump into each other was so specific and strong but it was such a nothing movie that nobody i know has seen much less remembered that this video has provided an extremely unexpected catharsis about something i thought only i have felt. what
Hey Joel, the bakers wife does stumble upon the princes in the stage production, that’s how she overhears about the hair as yellow as corn. I guess I’m just like, the superior Into The Woods Fan
I never saw the stage production but I saw this in theaters when it came out. I didn’t know why but it really pissed me off. Yes to everything you said
I think the expectation for a movie adaptation of any stage musical is exactly on the level of into the woods. Only some of the time do you get an irresistible and charismatic Catherine Zeta-Jones doing jazz hands in a cool wig in a well executed song and dance number. Most of the time you're getting something hella cringe like a phantom of the opera movie brought to you by the guy who put nipples on batman.
Im so happy youre talking about this, ive been on a stephen sondheim kick, and I love Into the Woods the musical! But yeah.. i dont get why they keep putting actors that cant properly sing into singing roles
I especially love Little Joel videos because they're almost always my exact favorite kind of humor or my favorite hills to die on thank you Little Joel
I believe that the baker's wife stumbling upon the princes singing Agony was actually a direction from the original script, at least the version I did in high school lol. Meant to foreshadow the theme of falling for fuckboy princes ig
This video started autoplaying right before I began a tutoring session, and all I heard was "Hey everybody, there's a lot to hate, of course" Weird energy for those first few minutes explaining infinitive verbs
was going to type that those who haven't seen the stage musical aren't going to understand the differences pointed out; thankfully I did watch the musical and know what Joel is saying; he's right that James Cordon didn't need to be sung to by Jack after descending the beanstalk. thanks and have a good day
I was in a high school production of into the woods as the mysterious man, and I will never, EVER understand or forgive the movie adaptation for removing No More. It’s simultaneously the emotional climax for the baker, the resolution for his father, and a great song even removed from context. I would go as far to say that an adaptation that removed every song in Act 2 except No More would make more sense than an adaptation which has every song except No More. Ranting aside, I’m very happy to see someone else who cares about this musical be unapologetic about it not making sense to a broader audience. It makes my own personal connection to this musical feel validated.
Have you seen the movies DIAL M FOR MURDER, CLOSER, or WAIT UNTIL DARK? They're not musicals, but they are based on stage plays, and they lean into the artifice of everything taking place in a confined / metaphorical space.
Tim Burton has poisoned pop culture so much that every time a movie comes out that is a little bit more whimsical or has specific gothic aesthetic or has specific actors in it, we just mandela it into a tim burton movie. As a kid I thought that Coraline was a tim burton movie. What kind of faustian bargain has this director struck???
don't worry big joel, i am very familiar with both the stage show and the movie, so this video made perfect sense to me. i dont even mind that you said tim burton directed it, we all make mistakes.
There is so much fundamentally wrong with this movie, but for me, Rapunzel not dying was the absolute nail in the coffin. No matter how good the rest of the film had been, her survival strips away the entire basis of the Witch’s evolution and growth throughout the the story. The beauty of the finale is that these are people who have lost their families, what they love most dearly but have never truly taken the time to cherish while they had them, and how the grief of that loss forces them to confront their own role within this larger story and intentionally change to come together as a community. Rapunzel making the choice to leave her mother is, in itself, a loss to the Witch - but it’s one that leaves open a door for reconciliation, if the Witch decided to change her mind and go to the lengths to make it so. The problem is, it’s those lengths that led to this entire twisted web in the first place, and we know she’s capable of them. Rapunzel dying within that web makes that loss an unchangeable reality. There are no tricks, no spells, no manipulation that can bring her back. It just is. And the witch realizing for the first time that she is truly, unquestionably powerless, that she must carry that guilt no matter how powerful she may be, is necessary to her growth at the end of the story. Anything else leaves an opportunity for her to go back to her old, conniving ways. So without Rapunzel dying, the story is never truly as powerful or as complete as it was always intended to be. It’s meant to feel like a punch in the gut, and the movie takes that away and instead replaces it with a light breeze on the back of your neck. And ironically, this narrative choice was made in order to make the film more “family friendly,” while being the choice that I feel robs the film of any true, profound sense of family in the end. I hate it so much.
I just remember them just singing the title of the movie a lot of the movie, I suppose that’s what the musical was like, but I remember just parodying this at the time especially when one day I found myself in some woods
Lucky for you i watch the stage production at least once a year and while ive only seen the movie once, i was so disappointed in basically all of its choices that it is permanently seared in my brain. I feel like i am the target audience for this video Also giants in the sky is my favorite number and in the movie they just completely took all of the wind and weight out of it with the way they decided to score it and that was just so deeply disappointing. In the stage production that number absolutely HITS because the performance and backing music work together so beautifully to convey the awe and fear of the concept of giants in the sky and if youve only seen the movie that just wont come across imo. I hope everyone who even vaguely liked the movie decided to go watch the musical.
Tim burton didn’t direct the movie, but I won’t be deleting this video, because if a movie has an unbearable Johnny depp, it was, in spirit, directed by Tim burton. Take me down if you need to but that’s the truth
Thanks, please don’t delete it
Local Joel refuses to take an L, no matter how big or small
will you delete from the deluge of people inevitably saying sweeney todd wasn't that bad?
Tim Burton’s worst “eccentricities” have infested quite a lot of modern filmmaking in many subtle and overt ways so one could be forgiven and understood when they make a silly slip-up like that, I don’t think it’s any big deal.
I support you
Tim Burton has the Hollywood record for directing the most films that he didn't direct
Tim Burton is the spiritual Alan Smithee
@@AndromedaD Unfortunately, Tim Burton is very physical.
My favourite band Nightwish made a movie and I bizarrely found a DVD of it in Morrisons supermarket that didn't mention the band, but instead had a quote saying it was "a dreamlike Tim Burton movie" 😆 so he's even been credited for obscure musical films made by Finnish metal bands...
(Also I checked the article they got the quote from and it was someone who asked a fan what they were expecting from watching it, and they said "something dreamlike or like a Tim Burton movie". So it was inaccurate on many levels and not even a quote from someone who had seen the movie lol)
@@Sophie_Cleverly What's the movie called?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 it's called Imaginaerum, it was actually directed by Stobe Harju who is known for working on video games like Quantum Break and Alan Wake
If Tim Burton can get the unearned accolades for being the director for Nightmare Before Christmas, then he can absolutely be roasted for Into the Woods. That's called karma. I think
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Lol “but he’s not the director he was just billed on the movie for marketing purposes, which is so smart, so genius, so profound! No one will be confused!”
Unearned because he didn't direct it or unearned because it's just not that good?
@@hughcaldwell1034 he didn't direct it, it was actually Henry Selick but most people believe it was Burton because of how it was marketed
@@merck__ Yeah, I vaguely remember hearing that. Sorry, my initial reply should've had some sort of indication that I's just having a dig.
Ok i'm sorry but the clip of the musical had me in tears. You can see the wolf's junk just out in the open and somehow this comes off less creepy than Deep's performance.
When he starts to sing so high pitched in contrast with Johnny Depp's weird pervert impression, it killed me.
Fun fact: the wolf’s junk in the stage musical was originally bigger and more humanoid, but it got such a huge reaction from the audience in previews that they didn’t hear the first 30 seconds of the song, so they diminished it down to what’s on the video.
I feel like I’ve been insulted that James Cordon is in every single movie for no reason
I believe it was Lindsay Ellis who called him “God’s curse upon theater kids”
It is impressive since he seems to have no musical talent. Is he there for the normies?? Do they think they need him there to make them feel better about seeing a musical???
@@Chimera-man-man he's there to appeal to British "people," and the soulless millennials/Gen Xers that have no sense of taste, I assume.
He must have dirt on some powerful people cause he has no talent and everyone hates him, but he's fucking everywhere.
@@Chimera-man-man Sex appeal maybe?
Little Joel: "This video is just not going to make sense to people who don't have a really good memory of the stage production of Into the Woods, or the movie for that matter."
Me, having never seen either the stage production or the movie: "Ah, yes, the perfect video for me!"
I've seen the movie, and I'm pretty forgiving with movies, but it was hard to like it. Not sure how the screen play was, but them being in the woods was just an excuse for all their shitty behavior :') it felt flat and indeed like the woods were pretty small, but somehow they kept losing things. Wouldn't recommend
When Little Joel said this video probably wouldn't make sense to people without a really good memory of the stage production of Into the Woods, I was like, "My high school obsession with Sondheim musicals has prepared me specifically for this moment."
Yassss!
*Snooty accent* : Look at this nouveau riche Sondheim fan over here. I’ll have you know I’ve been watching Into the Woods since *BIRTH* because I got *MY* Sondheim obsession the *RIGHT* way: by *INHERITING IT* from my *ELDERLY JEWISH GRANDMOTHER*
thank you for doing a side by side comparison of Johnny Depp as the Wolf vs how the Wolf should be portrayed on stage. i've never seen the stage version and if it's got such committed actors to awoo in front of a live audience i know it is something i must see as soon as possible.
There's a recording of it on TH-cam! Enjoy: th-cam.com/video/kqCsQCsinK4/w-d-xo.html
@@Sneaker3719 I'm sorry but your message linking to the stage production of into the woods is nearly indistinguishable from those comment bots trying to get you to click on a sus link xD
@@Sneaker3719 Thanks of the link.
30 minutes in. It took less than five to fully understand why the stage version >>> Disney's. It's not just because the 2014 film was post 9/11 and therefore takes a "grimier", more cynical, perspective. The stage version just has that right mix of "whimsy" and passion. You FEEL things WITH the characters.
The fundamental difference is the "show vs. tell" issue with movies. Both the stage and film version "tell more than show". However, film DEMANDS you show. Burton's version does add a few elements, but the over reliance on expecting the audience to connect with the characters while lacking the "intimate setting" makes it feel... "empty"? (as Joel states).
The dynamic and kinetic pacing of the stage version makes up for that reliance on exposition. The movie lacks the pacing and "warmth" of the stage version. It can't possibly compensate properly by being a strict adaptation. Burton's version had 100 times the budget and potential and lacks imagination. The stage version understands and uses the limitations imposed on it to help the audience make the world around it appear authentic.
@@RubenSilva-tk4yb If you watch all the way to the end you'll realize that the omission of the narrator and mysterious man undercuts the second act's message of carrying on when you feel lost. The movie seemed to be so occupied by adapting the fairy tales in the first act (or Into the Woods Jr. basically), that it forgot that the second act is what makes the musical special and ends up rushing through it in order to cram in the songs people like from Act 2.
Even worse is that with the omission of the narrator/mysterious man AND the decision to have Depp play the wolf rather than the actor who plays Cinderella's Prince you lose the double meaning of their double casting. The wolf is played by Cinderella's Prince because we learn in the second act that Cinderella's Prince is exactly like the wolf, preying on women to sate a hunger within him. This is even foreshadowed in the Witch's song "Stay With Me" where she talks about Princes and Wolves in the same breath when talking about the dangers of the world.
Check to see the internet archive has it.
Friendly reminder the original stageplay is on youtube for free when you look up into the woods. It is absolutely fantastic
Yes, seconded!
Blessings
👀 good to know thank you very much
I made my family watch it recently after they only saw the movie and after all the fuss I made finally they were like "ohhhh okay i get what you were saying" lol
I watched it 3 times in hotel quarantine. 3 times!
My biggest ick of the into the woods movie is how young they made Jack, and how literal Giants in the sky feels now. Jack being nearly a grown adult is a huge plot point, as well as being a massive source for humor since he’s so dumb and gullible. Giants is the sky is a metaphor for growing up and that grief you feel of no longer being a child. It’s about the excitement and freedom of being an adult but wanting to hold onto your childhood. With a literal child singing it, it looses that meaning. It also absolves Jack as lot of his actions by making him a kid. He’s some one who should know better than to steal and terrorize that giants the ways that he did. He made a lot of missteps in the chase of getting his cow back, and they had consequences. Jack being so young makes the character as a whole so toothless and it really bothers me.
Any soul was sucked out of it 😅
I don't remember everything about the show or the movie super well but just watching Giants in the Sky from the movie, I actually really like Jack as an actual kid. I think it serves that song very well at least, both in theme and just vocal range and stuff. I think the metaphor still totally works, Jack is growing up way faster than he should have to
Dang, I relate hard to that sentiment today, about the grief of no longer being a child. (This morning I teared-up watching the ending of a slice-of-life anime where the cast all graduate, and then in the afternoon I attended a reunion with several of my childhood friends whom I've not seen in years). So... even though I've never seen the stage musical, never realised that the song had that message, I still feel very angry that the film butchered it to shit.
You ate that
@@Ingestedbanjo Azumanga Daiyoh?
obsessed with joel misspeaking and saying tim burton was involved in this adaption because he definitely wasn't, but also this film is bad in ways that feel like exactly what tim burton would do so i can't fault our lil joel.
Loving all the musical theatre content from both sizes of joel lately
I want him to tackle the Sondheim cannon!
@@roachybill joelshoe theory
I reject the Joel binary.
inside you there are two wolves, one is a sondheim fanboy, the other is also a sondheim fanboy
Let's not allow this to distract us from the real important topics.
Like the whereabouts and existence of the allegedly medium sized Joel.
Have we seen him ? Were his alleged sightings true, or merely an optical illusion? If they were an illusion was it little joel, or big joel that was mistaken for the medium sized legend ? Is he merely a myth ? . .
The real hard hitting questions the government doesn't want you asking
1:46 “something about the way all the characters kept running into each other, just running into each other and talking, made the woods feel smaller than they ever did on the musical theatre stage.”
Exactly. This. You just explained so much about why I didn’t like into the woods
This was my exact impression, of the musical. Never watched the movie though.
I havent seen the movie in a long time, so maybe he’s correct and they do feel weirdly small, but I’m pretty sure the moments he mentioned that were “added for the movie” were actually in the show originally. Like I played the bakers wife and I was onstage for agony, hiding behind a set piece. And I vaguely remember jack running in at some point like “GUYS I GOT FUVE GOLD PIECES” so like I think the show is just VERY convenient in general and it’s pretty much impossible to get around that
That's so incorrect though. E.g. for "Giants in the Sky", immediately after in the stage musical, Jack runs up to the Baker and gives him 5 gold pieces. Or for the Baker's wife with the Princes: she meets them in the musical too! It's the same number of encounters! If anything it's more: The Baker's wife meets Cinderella every night in the stage musical.
@@MrSamwise25 It’s the way they’re structured. Jack running into the baker AFTER the soliloquy by himself allows our brain to fill in as much time as we want where Jack was in the woods LOOKING for the baker. In this he just runs directly to the baker from his house as though he knew exactly where he would be. It just changes the framing in such a way that it removes the buffer offered by suspension of disbelief.
I wasn’t bothered about it because i assumed the woods had some magic of their own that was creating the coincidences
Feel so vindicated to know Little Joel also hated Johnny Depp in Sweeney Todd
Uh oh now we must wait to see if he’ll speak on Capn Jack Sparrow
Johnny Depp plays Sweeney Todd as a deeply unsympathetic character, it’s actually phenomenal
@@bbgncntrl I think he's way too wooden. I like my Sweeney Todd with a bit of simmering rage on the cusp of boiling over. Also, I'm sorry, he was way too pale! He had just come back from Australia! I don't deny his look was excellent, but it didn't make sense with the character's narrative. Imo, Sweeney Todd shouldn't be hot
@@DogNamedWatson you thought johnny Depp as Sweeney was hot?? With that wig?????
@@DogNamedWatson are you saying that crooning like you’re Eric Clapton ISNT a good vocal choice for a blood focused sociopath hell bent on his revenge?
Feeling privileged and thrilled to be here for the Joel Musical Theatre Renaissance
Mike mentioned on one of the The Lefist Mafia episodes that in some chud chat one guy mentioned the pronouns of Michael Jackson to be "he/he".
That hard cut at the stage Wolf's humpy yell is the funniest thing I've seen in weeks
This is one of the few adaptations/remakes that genuinely fills me with rage bc into the woods is so near and dear to me and they just removed everything that made the story feel special 😭
Johnny Depp as the wolf is the most terrible thing I’ve ever seen
It was really uncomfortable to watch
Actually the bakers wife does stumble on the princes, and it’s actually really important because that’s how she discovers a woman with hair as yellow as corn. She even has a little line about how hot they are, I think
I demand more Joel Sondheim content. Talk about assassins! No one talks about assassins.
Not just great, but prophetic
@@LenSchiff I think it's less prophetic and more that america has yet to change. It's examining the problems of the past, and we have the same problems. The same reason people think the simpsons predicted everything when it was merely parodying the issues of the time.
as someone who has the stage production pretty much memorized, this was a good video.
also the baker's wife did run into the princes singing agony in the stage play, she comes out to deliver a line immediately afterwards talking about how there's two handsome princes, but she has to go get the cow instead.
The stage production of ITW is very important to me, and makes me cry every time I watch it, but to this day I don’t understand why they put such a MASSIVE ding-dongin’ SHLONG on that wolf.
My favorite movie is _The Last Unicorn._ Eventually a group comes together, but they were all characters that met each other by chance. They had many random encounters, there were people who ran off never to be seen again. The journey lasts for quite a while. The forest is made to feel so large and inescapable despite on the true outskirts of the forest’s society.
honestly calling it "tim burton's into the woods" rather helpfully sums up my feelings about it as an adaptation regardless of whether he directed it, so. helpful
into the woods is one of my favorite musicals and i have been so terrified to watch this movie. thank you for confirming these fears and making me want to rewatch the pbs recording
Yeah, it sucks for sure
It’s actually horrendous, to the point where me and several handfuls of theater kids I’ve talked to (all of whom saw this film in their lifetimes) just sorta memory holed the final product
Honestly, the only scene from the movie I'd recommend is Agony - it's up here on TH-cam so you don't need to sit through the rest of the film to get to it. The vocal performances obviously aren't on the same level as the stage show, but there's an over-the-top physicality to the scene that accentuates the song's silliness. Of course, they cut the reprise as part of their general mangling of the show's structure, so 🙃
This one for me was an airplane movie, and as such it's barely more than a hazy dream in my memory. Ty little joel for treading through the backrooms of my mind!
"The backrooms of my mind" is real good, I might use that
The only movie I can remember watching on an aeroplane is The Art of Self-Defense. It was not what I was expecting - it was way better. Strangely off-kilter in a really hilarious and slightly unsettling way.
Strangely enough I watched some of my most favourite movies in airplanes. I watched Up, The Green Knight and the Grand Budapest Hotel, among others and thoroughly enjoyed all of them.
@@fpedrosa2076 I watched The Green Knight on an airplane too! What made the experience even more surreal was it was on an older in-flight video system, and the screen did not deal well with all the darkness 😅
I’ve seen neither the stage or movie production of into the woods, but this still made sense because you put it together so well.
If you ever get a chance, see it on a stage. Do it for the Joels.
This is unrelated to the content of this specific video, but I just want to point out my favorite moments from this "little joel" channel are the ends- about a second and a half between when you finish talking and when you stop recording. Something liminal about it that it feels like the middle third of a conversation and we're not privy to the first third or able to respond the last third like we (the audience) would in any in-person interaction. Just the plain emotion of "I'm done talking now."
I love how much you care about things, it makes me feel validated about my opinions ❤
I will say, at the risk of a bullshit lawsuit, that casting Depp as a vicious predator is pretty good casting
Having the character constantly run into each other makes the overlapping fairytales feel less like a clever plot device and more like you accidentally made a potato salad.
Also I really hate that they removed both the narrator and the bakers' father, partially because it means they lost a lot of the emotional coil for the baker's storyline, but also because both were just replaced with more James Corden.
They cut Agony Reprise! One of the funniest songs in the show.
Not familiar with the musicals that both Big and Little Joel have discussed, but I kind of want to watch them now. So thanks for the inspiration 👍
The 2.5 hour play from 1989 is readily available here on TH-cam
@@TheMattrking Oh great, thanks so much for the information! 💕
The infection is spreading.
@@ninawth Watch the 89 version, it feels a little dated but it's the best version currently available.
@@TimothyCHenderson I did a lot of acting in college and watched a lot of plays, both live and filmed. That is my favorite show and that is my favorite version, to the point where I hated a production where I was the Baker because it couldn’t be as good.
hello little "joel"
Why does this feel so threatening
@@svld_6039 lmfao its like joel is someone else pretending to be joel and someone is slowly becoming suspicious lol
@@hamsterstyle6152 I mean his name isn‘t Joel, so…
@Meikel Wupp finding that out was the greatest betrayal, I'll never forgive "Joel"
Into the woods was my first foray into Musical Theatre and then i watched the actual performance put on by high-school actors and realised i had watched a total bastardisation lol
tim burton has something with johnny depp and each day this affirmation gets even more closer to reality than you might think
Johnny Depp has blackmail material on tim Burton
0:24 Ah yes, James Cordon as the Baker, the Baker specifically played by James Gordon, James Cordon's the Baker. That baker?
the baker's James Corden
the stage production was one of those vhs tapes i'd watch over and over again all day as a kid. its visual details are more memorable to me than are those of most of the homes i've lived in.
i couldn't agree more strongly with your observation of the cramped, floating impression given by the sets of the remake. its literalism, ironically, winds up making it resemble paper doll theater
I've never seen the stage version of Into The Woods, but I felt the exact same way when I saw the movie. Like oh this is just a tiny plot of woods that everyone hangs out in all the time.
0:57 “Like he was bad in Sweeney Todd, he was exceptionally bad in Sweeney Todd, but then Tim Burton was just like ‘you can outdo that sh*t. You can be the nastiest little freak I’ve ever seen. You can be extremely annoying on screen, and that’s your right, Johnny Depp.’ Lmao
My first exposure to Les Miserables, Sweeney Todd, AND Into the Woods were the movie adaptations, so while I realize that everyone dislikes these movies and probably with good reason, they are unfortunately the definitive versions to me.
"'you can be extremely annoying on screen, and that's your right, Johnny Depp'" tim burton's take on the oompa loompas is WILD
I was in a production of into the woods once, and I played Jack (technically I was the understudy for the real jack but he couldn’t perform one of the two nights because he twisted his ankle) and I COMPLETELY agree with everything. The woods feel so small in the movie.
Yes, characters run into each other all the time in the stage production, but thematically it’s important. And the second act makes the woods feel massive and imposing.
One of my friends played the wolf in our production and yeah. He was so much more fun to watch than Jonathan Depp because he committed to being a little freak onstage instead of whatever depp did.
Cutting out no more is an unforgivable sin though and I will stand by that.
Into the Woods (2014) wasn’t directed by tim burton but it is a Tim Burton film.
Joel I’m loving the musical content from you lately! The movie was my first introduction to Into the Woods and once I saw the stage musical I realized just how much I was missing. I can never go back, the stage version is just so so much better and one of the best musicals imo. I fucking love this show. It’s hilarious and poignant and so thought out and the movie is just. So bad.
It's extremely easy to have a failure of a movie when you Gut out a third of the plot
1:12 it’s always such an experience when you hear songs in musical movies and have no idea that it could be good, then hear the musical song and are like ohh that’s what it is. every song in the sweeney todd movie is like that in my opinion. why did they make allan rickman sing. expect i did like johanna and green finch. but good god most of them barely even sounded like songs
I've never heard of into the woods. 10/10 would watch more criticisms of works of fictions I am unfamiliar with
This adaptation was my introduction to "Into the Woods" and I made it 10 minutes in before I gave up and just figured it was a garbage story. I'm kind of glad to hear that this was just a bad version. Maybe someday I'll find a better one to watch.
There's a professionally filmed production of the stage show with the original cast that's fantastic
There’s a filmed version with the original cast on TH-cam! Don’t let the movie ruin it for you, it’s a really great show and the movie takes all the humor out of it as well. Also they cut No More which is such an important song and one of my favorites :)
th-cam.com/video/kqCsQCsinK4/w-d-xo.html
Here’s the original cast :)
Nah, if your problem was the story and you aren’t a musical theater nerd you won’t like it. The second half is especially bad. It gets all gloomy and they don’t know how to end it.
@@coelacanthropology oh heck yeah, thanks so much for this!!
Joel is getting dangerously big for his channel.
Someday he will grow large enough to molt into his final form: medium joel
3:07 i was not ready for that pitch correction on sky
Joel, I want you to know that I have never seen either version of Into The Woods, but your gripe makes perfect sense to me.
Johnny Depp is literally just doing the same type of movements he did as Jack Sparrow. His walk as the wolf as the same exact cadence I swear.
pretty sure that's just him being old and decrepit
Honestly "The Baker is James Corden" already covers the performance and its quality and/or lack thereof pretty succinctly.
I understand that Little Joel is on a Sondheim specific kick here, but I demand hot takes about Fiddler on the Roof
I saw the movie in theaters and what I felt it was really lacking was a terrible Milky White. Just a big ugly paper mache cow on wheels. Thats what I want to see when I watch Into The Woods.
Anyway, my sister and I talked about how weird the wolf was for a long time after seeing it. It's the wrong type of creepy because it takes the implication of the danger of sexual assault to the realm of "is Tim Burton about to show me CSA? Is he that edgy?"
The DVD came with the soundtrack and I remember listening to it side by side with the cast recording album and realizing it was worse than I thought.
Honestly Into the Woods is one of those musicals that should never have been a movie. It just doesn't work unless it's on stage. They should have given it the Hamilton treatment and released a proshot.
3:52 the baker's wife is there in the original production, after they leave at the end of the song she has a line like "2 princes each more handsome than the other" or something
"An acre" sounds like a lot to some people who don't know how much it is.
It's about 63 times 64 metres.
What's a meter? Is that like a mile
@@Cons-Cat It's about 1.1 yards. Let me know if you have any more genuine requests for help.
Thanks for posting this, I love it when you talk about things that I’m also interested in 😊
As I have a nearly impeccable memory of the Stage recording version of Into the Woods I have to agree
“As a physical tape recorder, for real”
Johnny Depp was a terrible Willy Wonka. His treatment of the Oompa Loompas has not helped matters.
big joel, like everyone else, i love the musical content youve been making. i was in into the woods a couple years ago, and it was so much fun
I never felt like the woods were very big in the stage version either. There was just something about the presentation that made me think it was intentional, that these characters were making something momentous out of something kind of pathetic and small.
So I'm loving the musical theater commentary
The choice of having the Baker's wife stumble upon the princes in the woods makes more sense to me than most other choices in the movie. They were trying to set up her awe at seeing them in person because she's a peasant. This dynamic is a preamble to "Moments in the Woods", her shock, her infidelity. I think it makes total sense as a kind of throwaway tease or foreshadowing. I see it in the same vein as having Baby Shrek and Baby Fiona briefly wave at each other at the very start of Shrek the Musical.
I have a theory about why the excessive running into eachother: so, “No One Is Alone” is one of the big closing moves of the show and movie. In a staged production, there is an ensemble and the cast will all reassemble for those wonderful chorus moments- it’s very clear no one is alone, even with how huge the woods can seem. But the movie version doesn’t have an ensemble on the same way, and it doesn’t have a present orchestra or crew or audience. How can it replicate the feeling of community persisting after loss? The movie leans heavily into the sort of… reconstructed nuclear family of the Baker, Cinderella, Jack, Red, and the infant. So now Jack has to sing to the Baker, that way there’s a sense of some kind of meaningful bond by the end. I think this is a much weaker interpretation of the message, while the staged musical appeals to a sense of a wider world of social connection that meets the fearful loneliness that the woods have sometimes.
The movie’s woods feel small because the visible community on screen is also small. It’s like a claustrophobic cul de sac, but the musical benefits from the visibility of all the people who make it work (huge, compared to how visible the strings are in a movie).
I’ve never been able to get through Burton’s Sweeney Todd. Never made it past the first 5 min because the absence of an opening chorus was like walking into a house with no floors. Into The Woods knows that the chorus is necessary, but it can’t fill their embodied role anyway.
Oh also Depp is unwatchable bad in this.
honestly i feel like many film adaptations of plays have this problem. contemporary theater deliberately plays with the whole allegorical/suspension of disbelief aspect in a way that most movies can't replicate
thank you for the love of god my parents were watching this movie years ago and i only was present for maybe the middle half hour of it and that feeling of rushing claustrophobia as if the characters are encouraged to bump into each other was so specific and strong but it was such a nothing movie that nobody i know has seen much less remembered that this video has provided an extremely unexpected catharsis about something i thought only i have felt. what
Hey Joel, the bakers wife does stumble upon the princes in the stage production, that’s how she overhears about the hair as yellow as corn.
I guess I’m just like, the superior Into The Woods Fan
I never saw the stage production but I saw this in theaters when it came out. I didn’t know why but it really pissed me off. Yes to everything you said
I think the expectation for a movie adaptation of any stage musical is exactly on the level of into the woods.
Only some of the time do you get an irresistible and charismatic Catherine Zeta-Jones doing jazz hands in a cool wig in a well executed song and dance number. Most of the time you're getting something hella cringe like a phantom of the opera movie brought to you by the guy who put nipples on batman.
joel schumacher?
Im so happy youre talking about this, ive been on a stephen sondheim kick, and I love Into the Woods the musical! But yeah.. i dont get why they keep putting actors that cant properly sing into singing roles
I especially love Little Joel videos because they're almost always my exact favorite kind of humor or my favorite hills to die on thank you Little Joel
Ong Joel's musical theatre arc is going beautifully
I believe that the baker's wife stumbling upon the princes singing Agony was actually a direction from the original script, at least the version I did in high school lol. Meant to foreshadow the theme of falling for fuckboy princes ig
This video started autoplaying right before I began a tutoring session, and all I heard was "Hey everybody, there's a lot to hate, of course"
Weird energy for those first few minutes explaining infinitive verbs
was going to type that those who haven't seen the stage musical aren't going to understand the differences pointed out; thankfully I did watch the musical and know what Joel is saying; he's right that James Cordon didn't need to be sung to by Jack after descending the beanstalk. thanks and have a good day
I was in a high school production of into the woods as the mysterious man, and I will never, EVER understand or forgive the movie adaptation for removing No More. It’s simultaneously the emotional climax for the baker, the resolution for his father, and a great song even removed from context. I would go as far to say that an adaptation that removed every song in Act 2 except No More would make more sense than an adaptation which has every song except No More.
Ranting aside, I’m very happy to see someone else who cares about this musical be unapologetic about it not making sense to a broader audience. It makes my own personal connection to this musical feel validated.
how anatomically correct was the wolf in your production
johnny depp still acts like a high school theatre kid’s idea of a cool actor is
gun to my head i would not have said johnny depp was in that movie. i had apparently repressed his part of it entirely
Are we gonna cover all the Sondheim adaptations? Bc I’m into that
I've been loving all the takes on Sondheim musicals from this channel lately. I can listen to them all day
Finally a valid take that isn’t just theatre kid rage. It really was so bad.
Okay but are we seriously not talking about John Oliver remembering the oompah loompahs finally?
Thanks for this haha, I played in the pit orchestra and know the source material and movie well, and hope you keep sharing these
The wolf looks like a character that would be a tumblr sexy man in 2015
You conveyed your feelings well and i perfectly understand even as someone who has no memory of the stage production or movie of into the woods.
I’m currently working in a production of into the woods so this was a great video for me :)
Have you seen the movies DIAL M FOR MURDER, CLOSER, or WAIT UNTIL DARK? They're not musicals, but they are based on stage plays, and they lean into the artifice of everything taking place in a confined / metaphorical space.
Little Joel has niched into movie musical commentary and will never look back
Tim Burton has poisoned pop culture so much that every time a movie comes out that is a little bit more whimsical or has specific gothic aesthetic or has specific actors in it, we just mandela it into a tim burton movie. As a kid I thought that Coraline was a tim burton movie. What kind of faustian bargain has this director struck???
don't worry big joel, i am very familiar with both the stage show and the movie, so this video made perfect sense to me. i dont even mind that you said tim burton directed it, we all make mistakes.
I love into the woods so don't worry Joel, I get you. At least one person knows what you're on about and that's the main thing
There is so much fundamentally wrong with this movie, but for me, Rapunzel not dying was the absolute nail in the coffin. No matter how good the rest of the film had been, her survival strips away the entire basis of the Witch’s evolution and growth throughout the the story.
The beauty of the finale is that these are people who have lost their families, what they love most dearly but have never truly taken the time to cherish while they had them, and how the grief of that loss forces them to confront their own role within this larger story and intentionally change to come together as a community.
Rapunzel making the choice to leave her mother is, in itself, a loss to the Witch - but it’s one that leaves open a door for reconciliation, if the Witch decided to change her mind and go to the lengths to make it so. The problem is, it’s those lengths that led to this entire twisted web in the first place, and we know she’s capable of them. Rapunzel dying within that web makes that loss an unchangeable reality. There are no tricks, no spells, no manipulation that can bring her back. It just is. And the witch realizing for the first time that she is truly, unquestionably powerless, that she must carry that guilt no matter how powerful she may be, is necessary to her growth at the end of the story. Anything else leaves an opportunity for her to go back to her old, conniving ways.
So without Rapunzel dying, the story is never truly as powerful or as complete as it was always intended to be. It’s meant to feel like a punch in the gut, and the movie takes that away and instead replaces it with a light breeze on the back of your neck. And ironically, this narrative choice was made in order to make the film more “family friendly,” while being the choice that I feel robs the film of any true, profound sense of family in the end. I hate it so much.
I just remember them just singing the title of the movie a lot of the movie, I suppose that’s what the musical was like, but I remember just parodying this at the time especially when one day I found myself in some woods
PLEASE give us a full length video on this into the woods movie
does the wolf in the play have a dingus out? It looks like some kinda digus is out
wolf's got dingus
I feel conflicted about this. On the one hand I don’t know Into The Woods but on the other hand I agree with Joel.
Lucky for you i watch the stage production at least once a year and while ive only seen the movie once, i was so disappointed in basically all of its choices that it is permanently seared in my brain. I feel like i am the target audience for this video
Also giants in the sky is my favorite number and in the movie they just completely took all of the wind and weight out of it with the way they decided to score it and that was just so deeply disappointing. In the stage production that number absolutely HITS because the performance and backing music work together so beautifully to convey the awe and fear of the concept of giants in the sky and if youve only seen the movie that just wont come across imo. I hope everyone who even vaguely liked the movie decided to go watch the musical.
I dont even know what an into the woods is, but your points made sense to me still