Dr. Ali Ataie discusses Isaiah 53, and James and Paul
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Dr. Ali Ataie discusses two topics:
1. Isaiah 53. He explains how Jewish exegetes have dealt with this passage. Who could the Suffering Servant be according to the Jews? And how do the Christian arguments fail?
2. James the Brother of Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Dr. Ali presents a narrative history of how we went from Jesus to Muhammad. This includes explaining the early, post-apostolic, and modern conflicts between proto-Islam/Islam and proto-orthodox/trinitarian Christianity. He touches upon the Nazarenes, Ebionites, and the patristics and how all of these things relate to the Quran's Christology.
*For further reading I strongly recommend: The Brother of Jesus and the Lost Teachings of Christianity www.amazon.co....
Dr. Ali Ataie is a scholar of biblical hermeneutics with field specialties in Sacred Languages, Comparative Theology, and Comparative Literature. At Zaytuna College, Dr. Ataie has taught Arabic, Creedal Theology, Comparative Theology, Sciences of the Quran, Introduction to the Qur’an, and Seminal Ancient Texts. He received his PhD in Cultural and Historical Studies in Religion from the Graduate Theological Union. Dr. Ataie is a native Persian speaker and can read and write Arabic, Hebrew, and Greek.
Did i just get a bucket of knowledge poured on me? This is a very detailed discussion of things i have never known about! It's so interesting and entertaining. I never knew Jesus had a literal brother, James. It's just like Aaron who supported Moses.
Great to see Dr Ali Ataie back in the channel. Appreciate the explanation on Isaiah 53 but it seems to be a contentious topic. Thank you Paul for getting guests for discussions in the pursuit of knowledge and truth. Keep on keeping on man!
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James was his cousin
Mary remained a virgin
@@koppite9600 Don't Lie
@@jib7026 Joseph the Father of Jesus had a brother named Clopas who had a wife called Mary who is the mother of James you are talking about.
It's in the bible.
@@koppite9600 That's a false translation. The Syriac Sinaiticus manuscript of Matthew 27:56 calls Mary the wife of Cleopas as ''the daughter of James''.
Saint Jerome describes James as: "James, who is called the brother of the Lord, surnamed the Just, the son of Joseph by another wife, as some think, but, as appears to me, the son of Mary, sister of the mother of our Lord of whom John makes mention in his book… " in De Viris Illustribus ("On Illustrious Men").
Is there any other apologist who speaks Arabic, Persian, Hebrew and Greek ? And this was an impressive lecture. I learned many interesting and new details about the earliest Christians. This was fantastic, may Allah bless you both.
Add Persian to that list. He's an Iranian native.
@@eriKhaled done👌 I only named these 3 languages because of the Quran, NT and OT. Most Christian apologists don't even know any of them.
Most Muslim Arab apologists that criticize Christianity speak those languages.
@@samsungkartit I respect this educated scholar but so much criticism about Christianity. It makes me feel like Jesus is being crucified again.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 He didn't criticise Jesus and no one died for the sins of another person :)
Dr. Ali I love your work, brother. I'm a revert from Texas (ex-Catholic Christian) who always had problems with the Eternal Generation of the Son and how it resulted in the Son (God) lacking Self-Sufficiency in some aspect. One of your other lectures blew me away and I can't way to watch this one. God bless you.
May, Allah bless you guys.
If I had 1 thing to do over again in my beginning years I would become a student of knowledge. I just marvel at how nuanced he is in Theology, quoting in the Herbew and all. Facinating.
Quran always says when one needs to acquire information, go to or ask an expert. I really feel sorry for not only Christians who have been decieved, and also for the exmuslims, who have left their faith due to ignorance. All praises to ALLAH (swt), who has sent to us such knowledgeable scholars in our time, to keep us on the straight path. Alhumbulilaha rubbill alameen!! Jazakallah khair to my brothers Paul and Dr. Ali.
even if some ppl disagree , Quran is preserved and we are consistent with text we find out the truth, maybe few minor issues but is left out only.
Islam has a limited understanding of GOD!
@@SM22M2 Most Christians no. But the ones who do have the divine power of GOD! The church has been infiltrated for this very reason. If I were Satan I would be far more terrified of The New Testament than any books on earth! The truth is right before our very eyes, but very few actually see it!
@jrutt2675 you've said a whole lot of NOTHING. Your trinity is False. The God-man concept is False. Jesus isn't God because he doesn't know the hour and he prayed???Eyewitnesses didn't write the NT (Luke and Matthew borrowed from Mark to write their accounts). The last ten verses of Mark are made up (they dont show up in the earliest manuscripts of Mark). Scholars only credit Paul with 7 of the 13 letters ASCRIBED to him. Twenty Seven books in the NT, HALF OF WHICH are ASCRIBED to Paul, BUT ONLY HALF OF WHICH HE AUTHORED??? Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are ANONYMOUS and not EYEWITNESSES. There names were added AFTER the documents were in circulation (a century later). Nobody has to fear the NT. It is a very human book.
Who do you suggest people should follow?
The pure, sinless Jesus?
Or the bigamist child molester war lord who raped the women slaves and lusted over his sons wife.
Which do you vote is a good example of Love.
Dr. Ali is so intelligent. Loved his scholarly approach to this topic. Love from Bangladesh.
Same
@@srnp0007 proof your case
He is a Phd holder
A professor
Expert on comparative religion and biblical and quranic narratives and history
An author
Expert in arabic, hebrew, greek
And you are you by the way?
A poor youtuber with barely any subscriber who asks something about islam in hus video and turns the comment section off
@@srnp0007 🤣 justify your statement
@@srnp0007 you have to show a
contradiction, error in quran before claiming so
You have no knowledge of arabic language. He has. The only education you get are from islamophobe websites.
Again asking where? Show a contradiction and error
Challenge against your lies
@@srnp0007 okay now educate yourself
Then He turned to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."
(and said to it and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly.'') meaning, `respond to My command and be subjected to this action, willingly or unwillingly.'
This command addressed to the earth and sky and their compliant and obedient reply is an expression for the readiness of the earth and the sky to comply with every order from Allah Almighty. Nothing here is about a 'contracting universe' !
The Quran on the Origin of the Universe:
The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of ‘smoke’ (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition). This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology. Scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that ‘smoke’
A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the ‘smoke’ that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, p. 50.)
The Lagoon nebula is a cloud of gas and dust, about 60 light years in diameter. It is excited by the ultraviolet radiation of the hot stars that have recently formed within its bulk. (Horizons, Exploring the Universe, Seeds, plate 9, from Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy, Inc.)
The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that ‘smoke’ material. God has said in the Quran:
Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke... (Quran, 41:11)
Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke,’ we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous ‘smoke,’ they formed and separated from each other. God has said in the Quran:
Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?...  (Quran, 21:30)
Dr. Alfred Kroner is one of the world’s renowned geologists. He is Professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany. He said: “Thinking where Muhammad came from . . . I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case.” Also he said: “Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin.”
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Footnotes:
The Arabic word for “smoke” in the above verse is “dukhanun,” which describes the hot, cosmic smoke in question. This word in the Qur’an, in pinpoint fashion, describes this smoke very accurately for it is a warm body of gas containing mobile particles connected to solid substances. Here, the Qur’an has employed the most appropriate word from the Arabic language for describing the appearance of this phase of the universe. Let us note that only in the 20th century have scientists discovered that the universe emerged from a hot gas in the form of smoke
Dr. Ali Ataie is, unarguably, a distinguished asset to the modern day academia.
May he rise higher!
May you, Paul, keep well with your health!
Im from Malaysia and im muslim. I just found your channel and its really interesting the way you explain every topic. MashaAllah. May Allah protect you.👍💗
Welcome!
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I appreciated this knowledge,and from all of this we could only say Islam is the message to correct the way of the Jews and Christians who deviated away from the true teachings of the previous messages.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Give me a verse from the Quran,beside how do you prove your point by someone you do not believe in him?
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388
Here is what Quran chapter 3 verse 3 says
He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.
Where does it say Allah confirms what you have today?
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Yes to confirm the messages of all the prophets before Muhammad peace be upon them all.with your statement you put your self in the corner because now we have to ask you what copy of the bible the Quean was talking about since you have many copies and they all different?
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 you do not seem to comprehend any word from what we saying.
@Mohamed Ahmed and where in your Quran does it state unequivocally that the Torah and gospel of Muhammed days were corrupted?
Amazing Paul!!
Can you believe how many good people are saying "I didn't know about James"? The truth of James and Nazarenes should be finally be made public!!! And you're doing just that, great work Paul!(not the other Paul)
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Especially when James was so against Paul
@@inaaranur1611 I know right? James should be well known in the world, for the truth of Jesus to manifest for many christians I believe
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 it should be the other way around, James has just one little letter, and Paul has 14 books of 27 books in NT, while James has 1. James was the most important of the christian leaders, he should've had 14 books not Paul. The focus of Christianity is on Paul not James, which is should be. And yes James had a fight with Paul according to scholarly consensus since James disagreed with Paul's theology
@@jasonstewart7834 I wonder too why James only wrote one book? ( unless he did write more books that are lost to us ).
I like the chemistry between you two. Both know much about the subject. Both are adding into the conversation. Both are very deepened in it. It's somehow very entertaining to follow a proper discussion where the both sides are clearly familiar and interested at the topic in question. Intellectual food.
Love these two guys. Beautiful work.
Thanks so much!
This episode was fascinating! Growing up Catholic, I never hear any of this! Some things didn't add up, and this perspective clarifies so much. Thanks 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
It is always a pure pleasure to watch the discussion with Dr Ataie. He has an in-depth knowledge of Jewish-Christian history & books, and in addition to his deep understanding of Quran and Sunnah. He is also a very good presenter and introduces the materials in a methodical, and easy to understand fashion. These discussions are never boring and easy to follow, even for the layman and we are often left with the feeling we want more… much much more. Thank you so much, for inviting him on your channel and wish we would see him on the channel on a regular basis. A weekly or perhaps monthly discussion with Dr Ataie, would be a massive treat to your loyal audience like myself. God bless both of you and again thank you so much 😊 for taking the time to arrange for these valuable discussions.
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Hello Mark... I agree "these discussions are never boring" ( well... most of them are not ) but as a Christian believer, I don't find this discussion "easy to follow:, as you said.
I respect both Paul and Dr. Ataie but to be honest, the more I learn about Islam, the more confused I get.
PEACE
@@johnbrzykcy3076 the holy Qur'an and the biography of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) will give you a good knowledge of Islam. Learn Islam from brothers Nouman Ali Khan, mufti Menk, and Omar Suleiman.
@@diiriyetv Thanks for your civil reply.
What an enlightening discussion. Intellect, incomprehensible knowledge, and analytical aptitude that is superior to the majority Dr. Ali. What blessing to have such attributes. Paul you’ve exceeded all expectations with this guest. Truth uncloaked, the epitome of transparency. Thank you Paul and Dr Ali
"The Greek is very, very strong. 'Never did I know you." Thanks for sharing that scripture in the Greek language.
I hope my christian and muslims brothers from Nigeria and west Africa are following this compodium of knowledge channel.
There is a great scholarship in Dr. Ataie. I am very thankful for you, Paul, to bring him to us, the laymen as far as scholastic study of religion is concerned.
I have just watched this for the second or third time. This really is of the very highest order, top quality commentary. Phenomenal content. Really has raised the level of the discourse from our perspective. God bless you both
Brother Paul I implore you to invite Dr Ali ataie to give more interviews on the judeochristian scriptures from a Muslim view point
Glad you enjoyed it!
Two hours of pure delight! This kind of video demand many replays and a note book!
Amazing 2 hours, what a distinguished guest you brought brother Paul. What a treasure of knowledge you brought us with this session. Please, please keep on bringing Dr. Ataei 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻.
And what a beautiful conclusion you ended this session with. My extreme gratitude for you both.
Glad you enjoyed it
What a great academician and what a great interviewer. God Bless! Time to take notes
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Wow Subhanallah.
I did not realize Christianity was much much much sadder than what I had already thought.
another great show from Paul Williams! This highly erudite Dr Ataie can be invited with another fantastic scholar Dr James Tabor to talk more on James, Paul and the Ebionites.
@@srnp0007 you have no knowledge and only blind hate
@@srnp0007 Main theme of Churches for followers is that don't ask any question regarding fundamental doctrine, this is known as blind following and blindfaith.
Dr Ali Ataie really did his research.I really respect people speaking without any notes.its like everything already programmed in his head.Thanks for all the knowledge.
I really appreciate the work you two are doing. Dr. Ataie brilliantly shows both the beauty but also the holes within the former scriptures and beliefs of the People of the Book and how the Quran fills these holes as it promises to do (Al-Furqan/The Criterion). As a young man who grew up in Texas these talks are vital to us Muslims here and other parts of The West so that we can better understand our own religion within the context of living in the lands of the People of the Book. May Allah bless your endeavors. Ameen.
Salam brother Paul and Dr Ali. I am from Malaysia. Awesome discussion and knowledge not known by many. Thank you very much. ☝
This is gold! May God reward you both and bless you. The amount of knowledge I received from this video is immense!
Very educational topic i do follow you both of you Christians should learn from these analysis from both Bible & quran ❤
Thanks to Paul for introducing us to a wealth of information and resources that Most of us might never have come across otherwise. His work has been transformational in my life. May Allah be pleased with him.
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The most complex discussions I have heard so far
Very complex indeed. In fact my complexion ( perspective ) is changing. HELP !!
@Mohamed Ahmed I don't believe in such either. But I do think that man cannot comprehend God with his finite, limited mind. So there will always be some mystery regarding God.
PEACE
Dr. Ali Ataie is amazing Biblical scholar...
Always enjoy his lectures...
@John Brzykcy I agree with you that our limited mind cannot comprehend God completely. I think there is a concept called negative theology. Please Google it for explanation.
As for base of believe I think explained somewhere in this video that clear verse is superior to metaphorical verses.
@Mohamed Ahmed I think it means that whatever we imagine tobe god is NOT God because whatever we imagine it is part of creation and God is not creation. He is creator
Mind blowing
The knowledge of these two men is mind-boggling... I feel like a kindergarten student hearing them speak. I would have to literally listen to this 4-5 times to absorb 50% of the information.
I keep coming back to watch Dr Ali on Blogging Theology. I think this is my third time watching this very video and every time I learn more and enjoy more!
Glad you enjoy it!
Exactly the same with me, I just commented the same experience before reading this!
I really enjoyed this stream and aim to watch it again to absorb all the information contained within. May Allah bless you and Dr Ataie and reward you for passing on the knowledge you have which is a requirement for every Muslim. May Allah guide people to the truth through such efforts. Jazakum Alaahou Khairan brother Paul. Highly educational and in an easy format.
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This has been your best interview ever. Congratulation
Brother Paul, salaam!
Dr. Ali Ataie is a genuine learned man from whom I can learn and understand a lot! I have never seen one like him before.
But, I am too old to learn anything, now! However, we need teachers like him for all children! I am sure he has the answers about the Hebrew language that Pr. Noam Chomsky refused to answer.
HE IS WORTH MORE THAN HIS WEIGHT IN GOLD!
BAFS
A very important subject - complicated presented and discussed in details genuinely, having knowledge in it - simplifying , make it straight and beneficial for the people.
Simply genius.
Very heavy stuff yet explained in a very accessible way, truly remarkable. Thank you Paul! You too are a scholar and a great teacher, from the many of the scholarly videos you produce with great research, knowledge and imparted with ease and sincerity clearly from the heart. You're a great man of God Paul (not the apostate Jesus pbuh warned us of, lol) no matter what faith you profess. May Allah protect you and reward you for your sincere endeavour for the benefit of the lay people, particularly our brainwashed Christians brothers and sisters and all people of God including to certain extend Muslims if only from knowledge perspective.
Mr Paul let me please thank you for helping
Putting Islam teachings on the map for the masses with your short videos and in the intellectual map with your amazing guests,
May Allah reward you abundantly.
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Very nice discussion. Dr. Ali Ataie's knowledge on the topics is encyclopedic, very interesting.
Indeed!
Sir,Take my heartiest respect.🧡Your contents and discussion are very informative and interesting.Knowledge-based discussion is quite fantastic.We enjoy your contents.Have a very blessed life.Take my heartiest respect,sir.🧡
I just love listening to Dr. Ataie; love his work (Sometimes I have no idea what he is saying). I thank God for his knowledge and teaching- "God cannot die!" Amen!
The key to understanding Isaiah 53 and who/what it’s about is in the first line which says: “to whom has the Arm of the Lord been revealed”
What does it mean by ‘the Arm of the Lord’?
Throughout scripture we see reference to Gods ‘’mighty Arm’ or his ‘Right Arm’ which refers to Gods power/strength - but if we take a closer look at the text, the Arm of the Lord is actually a distinct ‘entity’ or ‘person’ for lack of better word. The Angel of YHVH is the Arm of the Lord, God’s presence manifested.
If we read Isaiah 40:10 it says:
“Behold, the Lord YHVH rules with might, and *His arm shall rule for him* , behold his reward is with him”
Pay particular attention to “His arm rules for him” this shows that the arm is the one that rules for YHVH, his own arm rules for him.
To be sure that the Arm is a distinctly identifiable ‘character’, we look to Isaiah 51,
*Isaiah 51:9*
“Awake, awake, arm of the Lord, clothe yourself with strength! Awake, as in days gone by, as in generations of old. Was it not you who cut Rahab to pieces, who pierced that monster through?
Was it not you who dried up the sea, the waters of the great deep, who made a road in the depths of the sea so that the redeemed might cross over?”
Again, *Isaiah 63:12*
“ who sent his glorious arm of power to be at Moses’ right hand, who divided the waters before them, to gain for himself everlasting renown”
Here, we see God sent his ‘Arm of power’ to be at Moses right hand - if we look back to the scriptures to see who was sent by Moses,
*Exodus 23:20* says:
“Behold, I send my angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him”
Here we see that God is send an ‘Malak’ ahead of Moses to lead the way for him, so this is the right Arm being referred to in Isaiah 63:12, and remember, this Angel bare the divine name of YHVH which is why God says he can forgive sin, this is God’s very presence, his divine name carries his presence.
If we are In doubt about this ‘Malak’ (Angel/messenger) which is referred to as God’s ‘glorious arm of power’, *Exodus 33:14*
“The Lord replied, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
So we see that God’s Angel that was sent to be at Moses’ side is the ‘glorious arm of power’ and ‘his presence’ according to Isaiah 63:12 and Exodus 33:14.
Further in Isaiah 63 it says
*Isaiah 63:8-9*
“He said, “Surely they are my people, children who will be true to me”; and so he became their Savior.
In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them.”
So you see - the Arm of the Lord is the one that brings salvation, God’s very own arm… as it is written:
*Psalm 98:1-2*
Oh, sing to the Lord a new song! For He has done marvelous things; His right hand and His holy arm have gained Him the victory.
The Lord has made known His salvation; His righteousness He has revealed in the sight of the gentiles (nations).
*the 2 legends are back at it again!*
Thanks brother paul to get Dr.ali ataie again on our platform ❤
Loved the discussion and keep them coming.hope youre well.
Wow what a tour de force - two hours and I could not switch it of. You are the man Paul! What can I say about Dr Ali Ataie - a human encyclopaedia, a true force to reckon with. He is polite, articulate, clear and extremely knowledgeable.
Mashallah 2 well read intellectuals sharing their knowledge. Thank you.
This episode concludes tens and tens of hours of reading. Thank you very much Mr. Williams.
The truth will be reveal Inchallah a big thanks to Brother Paul and Ali
May Allah guide us all.
Dear Paul
All credits go to you. Despite the fact that my best teacher has always been Sheikh Hamza Yusuf Mark Hanson, co-founder of Zaytuna College, I never knew they had such a giant of Ancient “Abrahamic” Sacred literature and languages like Dr. Ali Ataie. His Persian origins make him a more tolerant human being, and the fact that he can read and write Arabic, Hebrew, and Greek, makes him unique. I listened to the entire 2 hour-long broadcast, and both your knowledge is remarkable. Usually, I almost always find some fault somewhere, and this time I was in agreement 100% with him and you although my knowledge about the factual details of those sciences is quite limited.
Having said that, I wished Dr. Ali Ataie had also mentioned the Mithraic aspects or origins of Roman Christian-Pauline theology.
I “knew” the real name of James the Just was Jacob. The French translated James as Jacques. A sick and sickening habit of Westerners to translate proper names! I understood that the British Union Jack represents the Union of Israelites or Jacobites. All this is very confusing to the common believing Christian who belongs to countless denominations that are opposed to each other and even hate each other while preaching the same Bible they know very little about by design.
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Jazakalah khair my brother!
Really enjoyed this!
Hey its Hakim
I was glued to the screen of my phone for 2 hours. Great lecture.
Alhamdulillah, Dr.Ali amazing, we learned so much , thank you Br. Paul 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Amazingly brilliant unknown scholar!! Thanks for bringing him into dawah world!! May God reward you Paul!
Another fantastic, interesting and knowledge-seeking stream by Paul. Well done Paul and thanks once again!
May God bless you both
Brilliant discussion. Knowledge increases your faith and demolish your doubts.
Nope... my doubts are slow to disappear !
@@hashh2019 Thanks for your civil reply to me. PEACE
@Selim Sadek Thanks for civil reply. God's heart is the "correct path." I just need to take time to listen to His beating heart !!
PEACE
Alhamdulillah! Learned a lot.
You learned no full truth
We don't depend on Isaiah alone... we have Mark. Jesus is charged for blasphemy because he claimed to be God.
@@agadirand4four347 Jesus in Mark 14 60-65 he says he will come in the clouds and he is seated at the right hand of the father.
Those are not innocent statements. You can see the reaction of the priest who tore his garment when Jesus said that.
Jesus claimed to be God because he said he will come in the clouds meaning he will come to judge.
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John 17
17 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven(A) and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come.(B) Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.(C) 2 For you granted him authority over all people(D) that he might give eternal life(E) to all those you have given him.(F) 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you,(G) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.(H) 4 I have brought you glory(I) on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.(J) 5 And now, Father, glorify me(K) in your presence with the glory I had with you(L) before the world began.(M)
The Father is the only true God.
Jesus Christ is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the unity of the Holy Trinity.
You can see in the verse below that Jesus says we were together before the world began. So Jesus is God but specifically God the Son who has been there forever
@@agadirand4four347 I think you approach the subject of the trinity with suspicion.
You suspect that Catholics we worship pagan gods in a trinity. We aim to worship the God of Moses YHWH so give us the benefit of doubt.
If Jesus was a mere prophet nothing special how do you explain that he was with God before the world began? In Quran you say Jesus was created here we see he was always there.
To me we have better explanation of Jesus than you. Wouldn't you agree that the Holy Trinity explains this verse better?
@@agadirand4four347 so God glorifies us too?
God said he doesn't share glory how come Jesus is telling him to "glorify me so that i may glorify you"
Are humans at that level?
The is amazing!
It opened a new window of knowledge to me.
Thanks Paul for presenting such an extraordinary scholar to us.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love Ali Ataie. Amazing breadth and depth of scholarship.
A new breadth to the Christian Muslim dialogue.
Dr Ataie, you are lovely
I find myself rewinding everytime Dr Ali speaks in Greek. Its so magical to see someone can read the gospel in greek. im beyond impressed
Brotha Paul keep them coming. Incredible guests
Yes! We are incredibly blessed. A very special guest for Monday..
@@BloggingTheology Who's coming on Monday? You seem to be super excited! May Allah bless you, Bro Paul.
@@BloggingTheology Invite famous atheists and grill them. Also, do debates with Cosmic Skeptic.
@@BloggingTheology Have you tried reaching out to his holiness the Pope yet to make an appearance on BT?
What a discussion, im loving this channel man this is great mashallah
What a delightful interview.
Thank you Dr. Ali, you are a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you Paul for I introducing us to Dr. Ali.
Glad you enjoyed it!
As a layman this is scholarly gold to me, I'm a fan of Dr Ali and have heard other speeches of his before. With each lecture I always try to keep a few nuggets for future reference. Thanks guys!
Paul, i think you should start doing your PhD in theology. I think you have so much understanding of both Christianity and Islam.
Mashalah knowledge is our main
Are you an Indian
@@srnp0007 both of them in this discussion do not following faith of their parents that's what you calling trained but from where?
@@srnp0007 can you make your point cleat
@@srnp0007muslims do use logical reasoning than any one else may be you don't get exposure to that learn some Islamic sciences hope that helps you
@@srnp0007 Islam is the only religion in positive rate in religious switching data so it is understandable that people of other religion envy Islam and read some islamophobes website and make conclusion that Islam is fall but what to do it remains the only religion in positive rate in religious switching
What an amazing discussion !!!! Thankyou Mr. Williams to bring such outstanding content and thanks to Dr Ataie for such in-depth peak into Christianity. Amazing!!! Amazing!!! Your channel is now my first preference on TH-cam. May Allah subhana-wa-taalla bring the Light of Islam to your heart and soul.
Excellent and very informative
Thanks!
Totally glued for 2 hours... brilliant show
This video was really deep with so much knowledge. Definitely have to go back and take notes. Mashallah! Great work brother Paul and Dr. Ali!
One of the most knowledge-dense videos I've every watched. Really appreciate this, thanks a lot BT and Dr Ali.
This video answered questions that I had in my subconscious!
" The point is this: they are very, very sensitive about this passage.... Isaiah 53 is their golden goose." To be honest, I've never studied this chapter of Isaiah. May God enlighten us to understand.
@Iyas kelu If Dr Ataie is wrong.....then why are Christian apologists scared to debate in public dialogue with Ali?
Ill tell you why...because Christian apologists know they are wrong and they dont want to be exposed which will affect their "business."....they don't want to "go out of business...."...
Thats why!
@Iyas kelu and what Christians know about Christianity? Very little so much so they don't accept their own scholars. Many believe in charismatic preachers who teach nothing but evoke emotions
@Iyas kelu every single time the true real explanations is given you kids always gave or comes up with stupid excuses.#do grow up sometimes#
@Iyas kelu To love Jesus is to not associate him as a God-head, imagine the shame you cause Jesus by claiming that he claimed divinity. You say you "love" Jesus when in reality you hurt him in the most vile manner, you are the people who torture Jesus.
@@rollingknuckleball we dont believe that God sacrificed Jesus or that Jesus is cursed. Christans believe this.
Thank you brother Paul for inviting & introducing brother Ali to your channel.. I'm impressed.
1:30:00 - 1:40:00 is mind blowing. Jesus (as) will deny and reject those that made him a God according to the Bible.
Amazing as usual thank you so much Mr. Paul
Thank you so much for this discussion ! So much information to ponder over. May Allah bless you both.
I had a Christian brother yell at me the other day because I told him I didn’t believe Jesus is god. I did tell him I believe in Jesus though and he still flipped and went mad.
Two hours seem so short. Please bring him again next time if you have the opportunity. Thanks for the wonderful discussions.
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knowledge on its highiest level, thank you both Paul and Ali
I enjoyed this stream thanks brother Paul
Thank you very much Sir Paul and Prof. Ali for this educative piece ❤️
A very very interesting discussion!
It was definitely one of the most informative and eye opining discussions I have ever heard about many things new to me which I never heard it before.
Thank you Paul Williams and Dr. Ali Ataie for giving us such rich content. May Allah reward you for your efforts. And may Allah increase us in knowledge.
I wish I can give 1000 likes to this wonderful informative video ..
We don't depend on Isaiah alone... we have Mark. Jesus is charged for blasphemy because he claimed to be God.
@@koppite9600 stop lying
@@samsungkartit meaning of coming in the clouds Jesus talked of.
As I (Daniel) looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened...In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. Daniel (7: 9-14)
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John was writen 900 yrs after jesus...
U dont accept gnostic gospel of thomas sence that from 4th century but accept john which is from 9th century
How do u trust thats not written biasedly by already trinitrains
@@kingmosesix432 our teachings go way back. We have writings of Pascal who we know was taught by John himself. Guess what Pascal teaches... The same as the gospel of John.
We have St Ignatius of Antioch who lived though the first century and was in contact with the first Christians.. he writes in favor of the Catholic church.
Great video, thanks Paul.
Glad you enjoyed it
dr ali is well educated. thank you for inviting him to your channel.
Dr. Ali Ataie ❤️ Brother Paul Williams ❤️❤️
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Amazing and interesting discussion from both, thoroughly enjoyed learning from both of you, and thank you for your insights Dr. Ali Ataie.
May Allah SWT bless u Paul for all ur good works...
Well done.. By far the best
Great discussion, enjoyed it. Thanks Paul for bringing Dr Ali again on the channel. Looking forward for more interesting discussion.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@BloggingTheology as always man. Your contents are *different* . And we are loving these type of contents.
@@SohailAh46 Of course Muslims "are loving these type of contents." ( I assume you are a believer in Islam ?)
@@johnbrzykcy3076 You might not be "loving" these sort of contents, but at the very least you are learning something new and for FREE, that is quite something. Many Christians such as yourself would've unsubscribed from this channel by now, but you are still here and keep posting comments on each video of Blogging Theology. I admire that. You are willing to learn even though the subject might be bitter-tasting to you. Peace.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 compare to Christian apologists whos information are filled with delibrate twisting and gross interpretation of even simple facts.. and not to mention outright insults and foul mouth....
Just shows how despereate and insecure they are about their religion knowing they cant stand a chance to actual logical critique of their own religion so they their only strategy is to only attack the others..
Lol how mature of them
I rarely saw Christian apologists having actually pro credits in degrees ...
this Paul is correcting the damage Paul has done 💯
Have been waiting for u to interview Dr Ali for quite sometime s...Tq Paul
Mindblowing... I was reading that specific surah the other day in Arabic, And I saw Al Nasara... and I look at the translation I see it means the Christians... I was how does it means that?? Here you go I just have my answer! Thank you!
SORRY, GUYS, BUT YOU TWO ARE TOO LEARNED FOR MY PUNY BRAIN.
REMARKABLE! REMARKABLE! INDEED, LA CRÊME DE LA CRÊME!
100% CORRECT! BRAVO!
Continue your great work, and YOU ARE BLESSED!
BAFS
You and the Dr Ali make a great combination
Ali Ataie is like Ahmed Deedat on steroids. May Allah bless Dr. Ali and Brother Paul Williams.
Stunning! May Allah bless you!