Dr. Brown Debates Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on Isaiah 53
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Dr. Brown Debates Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on Isaiah 53
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Here is the link to the full debate! th-cam.com/video/O9kYhJHTjxE/w-d-xo.html
Dr Brown showed so much love ❤ to his brother, that it really changed my outlook on how I treat others despite my differences in beliefs.
Glory to God in Jesus name
What I see in Isaiah 53 is explaining how Jesus became our Goat of Departure and Sin offering.this wasn't in your debate at all.. Prove to me through Jesus dying on the cross became goat of departure and sin offering at the same time. How he fulfilled the law.
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@@iyaskelu7173 sir, terms such as NASA used to explain the Goat of departure in Leviticus 16 can't be accepted to explaining sin offering Jesus Christ our Lord did on the cross.
Jesus became our Goat of departure and went to the desert carrying our transgression the desert when baptised by John.
That's why he could forgive sins before going to the cross.
The part of atonement His death fulfilled according to Leviticus has little or nothing to do with him taking care of our transgressions
It is so funny that personal pronoun can be used to denote country. Can a country, Israel be a man of sorrow? Isa 53:6 " ....the Lord *has laid on him the iniquity of us ALL* ". Isa 53:8 For He was cut off from a land of living..."" Israel(a country) cannot be cut off from *a land* . It doesn't make sense.
Rabbis are depressed cause they don't have the sacrifice of atonement from sin. To sacrifice a lamb was an act of repentance not a "sorry for that" speech. Rabbis can not erase the Torah fact that sacrifice is needed, even God says that obedience is more important than sacrifice, but still, sacrifice is a basic tool for the finalization of forgiveness.
The "blindness" that Paul mentions is still very much present today as I have personally experienced a total rejection by Jewish people of any evidence whatsoever that points to Jesus as the Messiah. As Jesus Himself said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t be persuaded even if Someone rises from the dead.’” [Luke 16:31]
They rejected the evidence without any reason that you say they're blind?
Maybe your evidence isn't as strong as Dr. Brown's confidence would suggest.
@@blueglassdaveDaniel 9
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 I'm glad you brought that up. Preachers and evangelists frequently go on, and on assuring anyone who'll listen, that the "prophesy" in Daniel 9 is obvious, 100%, rock solid proof that Jesus was the Messiah, as Christianity defines him. They never mention all the serious biblical scholars who make good cases for all, or parts of Daniel being written much later than the Babylonian exile in which it's placed and so the interpretation of the statue with feet of clay describing the following empires and the "abomination in the temple" being the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and so on were not prophesies but simply an account of history placed in the mouth of an earlier historical figure, which was not an uncommon practice. This is far from far from the only explanation of Daniel 9, even among Christians, however, you will almost never hear about this from those who insist that Daniel 9 is unquestionable proof of Jesus being the Messiah either because they don't know it themselves, not being scholars, or they do know it and don't accept it or want to cast any doubt on their message.
Now, the primary, and frankly only, argument against this is "How dare you deny that this is prophesy! We've always said so!", and here, they're covering up reality once again. The New Testament contains about 300 passages taken from the Jewish Scriptures by NT authors and used as proof texts for Jesus, yet not a single one of these authors uses this supposedly rock solid "proof" text to support their belief that Jesus was the Messiah. They were grabbing texts from throughout the entire Tanach (the Jewish scriptures) yet they all ignored this "knock out" proof from Daniel? Daniel was well known in the first century and the goal of every NT author was to convey their beliefs to their audiences, yet not one mentioned chapter 9. Clearly, they didn't think it applied to Jesus. In fact, the first interpretation of the various "7's" as applying to Jesus doesn't happen until the early third century. If you will look up, "From Daniel to Revelation: How did the early Church Fathers interpret Daniel 9", it has a good layout of many highly influential early fathers and their various interpretations of Daniel 9.
These were all Christians. Jews had, and have, their own perfectly valid interpretations. Rabbi Toviah Singer is, increasingly, the Rabbi Christians love to hate but regardless of what anyone thinks of him, I'd suggest listening to his interpretation of Daniel 9 and asking yourself if you can explain why he's wrong.
I certainly don't blame you for accepting the word of so many confident Christian sounding speakers and authors but, unfortunately, as throughout life in general, a good salesman, sincere or not, can make us believe every word they say, whether they're right or not, and with Daniel 9, they are not the only game in town.
@blueglassdave The NT prophesied that in the last days, there would be a great falling away from the truth. It also prophesied that the whole world would turn against Israel and despise Israel. We are starting to see both happen. That is enough evidence to me that the NT is true.
I am from asia and I testify that Jesus is the Messiah and The Son of God.
I am from the US and I testify that jesus was a bastard, a deceiver, and a false prophet.
Amen Ronald👑🔥🕊
@@paulawallace8784
23 and I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
Exodus 4:23 KJV
God is reffering to Israelites because at this time when He was talking to Moses, Jacob aka Israel is already dead 430 years ago.
@@paulawallace8784
And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: and I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
Exodus 4:21-23 KJV
Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.
Exodus 12:40-42 KJV
@@paulawallace8784 God of the Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Jews, are saving a lot of gentiles all over the world. Israel is the chosen people to be the priest of the the world and Jesus is doing that right now. But you have to remember that God created everyone and is not only for the Jews. This kind of thinking is arrogance which God hates.
One of Rabbi Shmuley arguments is that the Nazis can't be atoned for, yet in Jonah God's is willing to spare Nineveh (Assyrian empire) from their crimes.
What were those crimes? Burning children alive, cutting off hands and feet, and skinning people alive before cutting their heads off.
I would argue that the Assyrians were just as evil as the Nazis and that God would be willing to forgive those who truly repent.
@@D18.21 Do you understand what original sin is?
@@paulawallace8784 It wasn't "A" mistake, it was "THE" mistake. Adam and Eve were created with free will. From the moment Eve used her free will and believed a Bad Angel evil entered and corrupted God's creation who were originally created without sin. Eve and Adam disobeyed God. Mary believed a Good Angel Archangel Gabriel and she obeyed God. Mary's YES to God undid Eve's NO to God.
Ah, that's the key: those who repent.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker No, it absolutely did not. Mary, atoned for nothing. Mary was a sinner and could NOT atone.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 Nobody said Mary atoned for our sins.
I'm now 68 years, I've accepted Jesus as my Saviour at 8 years. In Jesus Mighty Faithful Name AlleluJah ... Jesus died for my sins. Amen. 🎉❤ I'll enjoy my Study on Isa. 53: Tku, for GODs Word 🙏🛐🎉
Amen wow ❤️✝️🫶
Amen
@prophetmuhammad8744Psa 44:11 Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen.
Psa 44:22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.
These verses clearly points to the Israelites as sheep to be slaughter.. truly they are the suffering servant.
For those who say you were brainwashed, I also at a young age believed (5 yrs old) and am now 58yrs. Yet my brother who was 4yrs didn't believe and is still an atheist. He and I were very close our whole childhood.
Praise God 🙏
Calling Jesus a Pharisee is ironic.
He proved he knew more than the Pharisees when Joseph and Mary lost him in synagogue. But in his spirit, the spirit of reform and restoration Jesus was much closer to the Essenes. Of course He was more than both, He was the perfection of both
From the very moment Rabbi Schmuley began to speak, I could discern his deception.
so true...satan couldnt handle defeat at the cross so he stays there deceiving many taking away the atonement of sins like in this debate and islam
Can you explain what is his deception?
Wow! Deception! Not even sincerely believing otherwise. Just out and out lies. That's quite a little discernment meter you've got there. Just think, if this hadn't been TH-cam and you'd actually been there, your "Spidey Sense" would have been going crazy!
Amen, Isaiah 53 is about Yeshua 100x over! Also, notice how Shmuley looks to lack Shalom and yet Browns countenance shows the love and Shalom of Christ Jesus. That’s speaks louder than even the facts of Isaiah 53.
All the rabbi did was tug on your heart strings . Great debate . GOD Bless you both.
Funny how when Christians hear the same stuff they usually hear they assume it is good reasoning...and that the alternative is just emotional pleas.
I don’t understand the rabbi’s thinking. There’s no atonement for Hitlers or Bin Ladens sins because they cross a line, but he says there’s no atonement for his own common sins. Then how does one get into the presence of God? God just forgives some and not others based on how bad the sin was? So little sins don’t offend a perfectly righteous and holy God? It doesn’t make sense.
Of course you don't understand cuz you never actually read scripture and instead rely on your man made traditions:
Yet he was merciful;
he forgave their iniquities
and did not destroy them.
Time after time he restrained his anger
and did not stir up his full wrath.
He remembered that they were but flesh,
a passing breeze that does not return (Psalm 78:38-39)
This is a good point you made. Once a line is crossed there’s no turning back. I feel that line crossed could be subjective. Then who’s going to be forgiven and who’s not?
@@AncientCornelius-kn7yp before God there is no way to pay the price for any sin of ours that has been made since Adam's fall. 😮 ...but accepting JESUS' offered sacrifice is overcoming the DEATH-SENTENCE, that will meet us on the judgement day! WE should - and are allowed to ! - cover us with the blood of THE RIGHTEOUS MESSIAH: JESUS for every bad 💭 THOUGHT 🧠 we had or LIFE🤰🏿(!) we took THE SAME!
Jesus said, Unless you have the Heart of a little child, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Children have humble hearts with no pride in Them.
A little child doesn't fall down the rabbit hole of scholastic and convoluted arguments about ancient documents. Having a relationship with God can't be that complicated....can it?
@@DIBBY40 Darkness will always fight against the light until Satan is bound. Jesus said, The members of your own household will be your worst enemies because of Him.
Rabbi Shmuley's opening statement 🤦🤦🤦 what on earth was that?!
Emotion. Pride. I don't think he realizes just how much he was telling on himself. That he was fulfilling the prophecies in his words and beliefs. I get just as much proof of Jesus as Messiah from Dr. Browns points as I do from Rabbi Shmuley's. His was just unintentional.
Self righteousness at it’s best.
The distinction in level of revelation of Truth is so stark! Dr Brown bringing the Gospel! So good. Sadly, Shmuely only has natural, national, rational and human reference... because no Holy Spirit. :(
LORD please consider healing my cancer and encephalopathy. Also, my faith is suffering due to not knowing if Jesus is from You .please help my unbelief
In the name of Jesus. You are healed.
Jesus healed my cousin of stage 4 cancer and my aunt two years later of breast cancer, . ...by his stripes we are healed.
What makes you think that Jesus Christ might not be from God? The old testament proves without a doubt that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Read every chapter of the new testament, the word of God will help you see that Jesus Christ is from God.
John 17:3
"3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
A 100% raw fruits and vegetables based diet can heal cancer. Look up the benefits of apricot kernels in fighting cancer. Drink distilled water, stop drinking tap water. Tap water is filled with chemicals that can give you all kinds of diseases.
Jesus Christ is from God. Believe it, you don't have to doubt. Pray to God to help you see the truth of Jesus Christ. Please read the Bible.
There are no beggars on the streets of heaven. You are either an heir or you aren't.
"For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:6)
"And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him." (Hebrews 11:6)
You are currently seated with Christ in heavenly places if you have believed in Him. You have full access to Him. He's the one who invited you in. You're welcome there. It is Christ who brings us into the presence of God Himself.
"Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)
You don't have to beg for healing. He already knows your needs, and He is most interested in your health. But above all, He desires your heart, your love, and your affections. He desires a close relationship with you, that is based off of faith in His greatest gift of all to you, His own Son Jesus Christ.
Why are you writing a prayer in a youtube comment section?
Shabbat Shalom, Glad to watch this video...
If Israel is a woman and or a bride, how come Isaiah 53 speaks of a man? How do Jews not see that?
@@openigang God calls wisdom “she” in proverbs is it really a female? No. Jesus says he is coming for his bride not his son. I would encourage you to study this also.
@@openigang you didn’t read my answer to your answer 🤔
It's both/and not either or. But I do believe Isaiah 53 to be about Messiah, not Israel.
@@andys3035 that is my point. It is about a man who is coming as the messiah. This Rabi said Isaiah 53 is “all of the Jewish suffering will bring the messiah”. But Isaiah is clear that it is a man/male who will live a certain life and die. Plus Jesus said he is coming for his bride Israel/the church on his second coming. So both of their interpretations don’t line up with what the Bible says only what tradition told them. Even Jesus said that in Matthew to the Jewish leaders that tradition is more important to them that what the scriptures said plainly.
@@STAMPA_אמן אמן, אלוהים יברך אותך, בשם ישוע המשיח❤❤
Rabbi Shmuley has soo much hate inside which has blinded him to see the truth. Thank u for this video Doc. Brown
disagreement and a difference in tradition is not hate.
@@smolderingtitan of course it is not but the way he express his disagreement in such manner is hate. its obvious.
you wanna see hate? check out Rabbi Tovia Singer
@@smolderingtitanpassionate argument stems from somewhere dark
@@chrissyJ6232 I sort of, kind of, maybe, disagree. (Don't want to be too passionate, yo)
So sad, to hear the pride, blasphemy and stupidity of such a smart and respected man. I pray that one day, soon, Our Lord will help the scales off of his eyes and heart. Thank you, Dr. Brown, for sharing the Gospel, with the Jew 1st❣️. Maranatha, to our Savior and King 🙏. I can't wait until Our Lord fulfills the rest of prophecy! Has the rabbi read your book, Not Afraid of the antichrist? Do rabbis know/study prophecy of the New Testament or quran? Btw, do you agree that we're in the fig tree generation? It will be 80 years since '48, in 6 more years. What do you think of the Yehuda Rav Shlomo? They think he's doing miracles. And, an important rabbi said BByahu will introduce him in the near future.
"In the last days there will be many, who say here he is, there he is, do not go there..." - "to decieve if possible, the very elect..." - Jesus of Nazareth.
Dispensationalism is probably false... it doesn't show up anywhere in church history until 1830... the church isn't a parenthesis in history... and if the rapture is imminent we wouldn't need anymore signs... or are there more things to happen? Which one is it? Also, where in scripture is there a place to justify a pausing or indefinite 69th week of Daniel?
Post Millenial or A Millenial seems much much more likely.
@@allonekingdom AMEN🙏🏻
There is a veil over their eyes. Jesus will draw those he chooses in time.
I was thinking the same thing. Its almost like they get a pass.
@@shivasirons6159 God is just. I don't think it would be as simple as them getting an Xpress pass.
Christianity is totally not antisemetic everyone. Christians just say things like “there’s a veil over (((their))) eyes”
@@avibenavraham do you know who the Semitic people consist of?
@@PeytonOver antisemitism is a misnomer, it is anti Jewish prejudice
Dr Brown explains very well.
Absolutely,i totally agree!👍🏾 💯
😂😂 it's quite funny how rabbi completely takes verses out of context and brag so confidently. Dr Brown as usual obliterates the debate
Great discussion!
People with so much pride and entitlement cannot see. Thank you Dr Brown for exposing the spiritual blindness of the Jews through scripture
Cannot see what? He asked a question, Jesus opened his mouth, he had offsprings, where is the atonement of Jesus for the nation of Israel? What is your answer?
I wonder if Rabbi Shmuley believes that David was forgiven for his murder of Uriah.
Nice..👍👍
@@paulawallace8784 BELOW IS THE MESSIAH IN THE JEWISH TEXTS - Jesus is directly descended from David and He meets all the requirements below.
He would be both GOD and MAN (Genesis 3 :15; Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9
:6-7; Jeremiah 23 :5-6; Micah 5 :2; Zechariah 12 :10; Zechariah 13 :7;
Psalm 80 :17; Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would bring salvation to the Gentile nations (Isaiah 42 :1-4; Isaiah
49 :1-13)
Messiah would come before destruction of Second Temple. (Daniel 9 vs 24-27)
Virgin mother/birth - (Genesis 3 :15; Isaiah 7vs14)
He would be human (Genesis 3 :15)
He would be a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 22 :18)
He would be from the Tribe of Judah (Genesis 49 :10)
He would be a son of David (Isaiah 11 :1-2; Jeremiah 23 :5-6; 1
Chronicles 17 :10-14)
He will live eternally (1 Chronicles 17 :10-14)
He would be full of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11 :1-2; Isaiah 42:1-4;
Isaiah 61 :1-2)
He would be humble (Zechariah 9 :9-10)
He would be gentle (Isaiah 42 :1-4)
He would have a unique relationship with God (Psalm 16 :1-11)
He would be the son of God (Psalm 2 :7-12; Proverbs 30 :4; 2Samuel7)
He would be the Good Shepherd (Zechariah 11 :1-17)
He would be born in normal circumstances (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
He would be born in poverty (Isaiah 11 :1-2)
He would be preceded by a herald (Isaiah 40 :3-5; Malachi 3 :1)
He would be born in Bethlehem, city of David (Micah 5 :2)
He would be seen riding on a donkey (Zechariah 9 :9-10)
He would be present 483 years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem,
after the Babylonian Captivity (Daniel 9 :24-27)
He would appear before 70 AD (Genesis 49 :10; Isaiah 7 :14; Isaiah 8
:9-10; Isaiah 9 :6-7; Zechariah 11 :1-17; 1 Chronicles 17 :10b-14;
Daniel 9 :24-27)
He would be a king (Genesis 49 :10; Numbers 24 :17; Isaiah 7 :14; Isaiah
9 :6-7; Jeremiah 23 :5-6; 1 Chronicles 17 :10-14; Psalm 2 :7-12; Psalm
110 :1-7)
He would be a priest (Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would be a prophet (Deuteronomy 18 :15-19; Isaiah 61 :1-2)
He would be specially trained (Isaiah 50 :4-9)
He would remove the curse due to Adam’s fall (Genesis 5 :21-29)
He would be rejected at first (Isaiah 49 :1-13; Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12;
Zechariah 11 :1-17; Zechariah 12 :10; Psalm 22; Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would only be accepted by a small believing remnant of the people
(Zechariah 11 :1-17)
He would appear to fail but in fact be successful (Isaiah 42 :1-4)
He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11 :1-17)
His rejection would result in an attack upon Israel and the scattering
of the people (Zechariah 11 :1-17; Zechariah 13:7)
His rejection would be followed by the acceptance of a false Messiah
(Zechariah 11 :1-17)
He would eventually be accepted (Isaiah 49 :1-13; Psalm 110 :1-7)
He would be seated at the right hand of God (Psalm 80 :17; Psalm 110
:1-7)
He would suffer (Isaiah 50 :4-9; Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12; Psalm 22)
He would be legally tried and condemned to death (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
He would die (Psalm 16 :1-11; Psalm 22)
He would be executed (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12; Daniel 9:24-27)
He would die a violent death by means of piercing (Zechariah 12 :10;
Zechariah 13 :6-7; Psalm 22)
His death would be substitutionary (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
His death would result in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple
(Daniel 9 :24-27)
He would be buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12)
He would be resurrected (Isaiah 52 :13-53 :12; Psalm 16 :1-11; Psalm 22)
He would bring justification to those who believe in Him (Isaiah 52
:13-53 :12)
He will be ruler of the Gentile nations (Psalm 2 :7-12)
He will rule over Israel in the Messianic Kingdom (Psalm 110 :1-7) J
Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 - I will enact a new covenant with the House of Judah
Answer: He was!
David said to Nathan, “I stand guilty before the LORD!” And Nathan replied to David, “The LORD has remitted your sin; you shall not die" (2nd Samuel 12:13)
I believe he was forgiven but his deed didn't go unpunished. Notice he didn't have that baby and his family was in shambles. His son slept with his wife, his son graped his daughter, his son killed his son for graping his daughter so, there were consequences for David's action.
Opening statement was a bomb dropped. Outstanding run through Isaiah, with a slam dunk Isiah 53…Dr. Brown gave a great opening.
Shmuley gave a self righteous trust in self rather than the Sinai Covenant he says he believes in. He doesn’t need the prescribed sacrificial system or atonement provided by the yearly sacrifice mediated by The High Priest. He says “Torah Torah” but has no concern that he dismisses the entire atonement system…. It’s crazy, wake up my brother
As a messianic Jew, I am saddened by his rejection of Yeshua our Mochiach
Okay I honestly have a hard time listening to this guy. His theatrics grate on my nerves, so I mean this as a serious question. Is he unaware that the OT describes the people of Israel rejecting God and being punished for it? Every snippet I hear he is describing Israel suffering for being so righteous. Does he think God broke his promises at the end of Deuteronomy?
Who, you are referring, Dr or Rabbi???
This was a great debate!! In light of the actual text of Scripture,Dr.Brown's arguments were very compelling.
I've studied Isaiah too. 16 times. I do not see how Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah. That wasn't even Dr Brown's argument. His argument was that it's about atonement and it's an individual. But that it's about the Messiah? Why didn't he bother proving that? Is that evident from the text of scripture which doesn't even say the word Messiah in the entire chapter 53?
@@moses2031 “Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16
“When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.” John 16:13
You won’t understand the Bible as God intends you to, unless you come to God in a sincere, humble heart, and ask Him to show you what it really means. It is an intelligent and factual book no matter what, and we all know that. But it doesn’t become a living, supernatural, and amazingly deep and layered book until the Holy Spirit shows you exactly what He meant, personally.
@@ToLoveGod So you believe that jesus cannot be seen from the books of the Bible unless we are given some "spiritual" insight?
@@moses2031 However you receive correct interpretation, it is a blessing from God, since clearly millions of false interpretations exist. I would lean towards saying yes.
@@ToLoveGod Ok so should I accept what every person claims they received through the holy spirit? Should I accept what al the catholic popes and saints said? Should I accept what joseph mormon said? Are you telling me that G-D did not write his word clearly enough for us to uderstand?
Romans 11 :1-33 Sums up why they can't see nor accept the truth. sums also up how we should pray for them and understand Gods Mercy and Grace to the Israelite's. Truly O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
It's soo obvious how can they not see?
Yes agreed! Isaiah so clear so obvious it’s mind blowing.
God recently taught me that His salvation plan never changed at all, aside from maybe appearance.
Maybe this rabbi will eventually see it hasn’t changed and in repenting will trust Jesus. Who knows?
The whole Bible makes it clear Yeshua is the Messiah they were waiting for. Isaiah 53 is just one of the most obvious chapters. It's a shame really
@@allonekingdom yes true. From beginning promise given to Adam & Eve then Abraham sacrificing his son, Joseph Moses, David etc were all a foreshadowing of the messiah.
I know of certain Messianic Jews who have woken up to the Truth and do believe that Yeshua is their messiah. I’ve even met a few of them. Praise God for removing the blinds from their eyes we hope and pray more Jews come to see who Jesus is.
Because it isn't. The word Messiah isn't even mentioned in Isaiah 53 yet all christians assume that he was talking about the Messiah in the chapter.
Im astonished what is happening today, Jews and Christians are talking together✡️💙✝️❤️Bless you Rabbi , all respect 🫡
The Rabbi talks like christians have never been slaughtered and sold into slavery etc ... The Jews aren't the only ones who have been persecuted. Not only that. The jews haven't been silent during these hardships either. They were revered for being a group who actually stood up for themselves. And still do, just look at them today. They are anything but silent during hardships.
Rabbi Shmuley says he will carry his own sins without an intercessor, but the whole sanctuary service and the need for the shedding of the blood of an innocent animal were in place of the sinner. The sanctuary and the temple itself was an intercessor and played that role.
Shmuley’s argument makes literally no sense.
Shmuley is speaking like a liberal activist.
רבנים יקרים,
אני מקווה שהמכתב הזה ימצא אותך בבריאות טובה, ואני מתפלל שאלוהי אברהם, יצחק ויעקב וחכמה יהיו על לבבך. אני כותב לך בלב מלא אהבה ויראת כבוד עמוקה לעם היהודי. בתור חסיד של ישוע המשיח, אני רוצה לחלוק איתך מידע משמעותי מהברית הישנה שמוביל לגאולה ולהתגלותו של ישוע כמשיח. גילויים אלו נחשפים כעת על ידי חלומות לעם היהודי בכללותו.
הברית הישנה, עם השטיח העשיר של חזיונות אלוהיים, מספקת תובנות עמוקות לגבי תוכנית הישועה של אלוהים. נבואות אלו, שנמסרו במשך דורות, משמשות עדות להתאמה המדהימה בין כתבי הקודש היהודיים לחייו של ישוע.
נבואה: ישעיהו ז' 14 "על כן ה' בכבודו ובעצמו יתן לכם אות: הנה הבתולה הרה ותלד בן ותקרא את שמו עמנואל". הגשמה: מתי א' 22-23 "וכך נעשה כל זה למען יתקיים אשר נאמר על ידי ה' באמצעות הנביא לאמר: 'הנה הבתולה הרה וילדה בן ויקראו'. שמו עמנואל', שמתורגם ל'אלוהים איתנו'".
נבואה: מיכה ה:2 "אבל אתה, בית לחם אפרתה, אף על פי שאתה קטן בין אלפי יהודה, אך ממך ייצא אלי המושל בישראל אשר יציאתו מימי קדם ומעולם. ." הגשמה: מתי ב' 1-2 "ועכשיו אחרי שישוע נולד בבית לחם יהודה בימי הורדוס המלך, הנה, חכמים מהמזרח באו לירושלים, ואמרו, 'היכן הוא שנולד מלך הקודש'. יהודים? כי ראינו את כוכבו במזרח ובאנו לעבוד אותו'".
נבואה: ישעיהו 53:5 "אבל על פשעינו הוא נפצע, על עוונותינו הוא נפגע; ייסור לשלום שלנו היה עליו, ובפסיו נרפאנו". הגשמה: פטרוס א' 2:24 "אשר נשא בעצמו את חטאינו בגופו על העץ, כדי שאנו, לאחר שמתנו מהחטאים, נחיה למען הצדק - אשר בפסים שלו נרפאת."
נבואה: ישעיהו ט:6 "כי ילד נולד לנו, בן ניתן לנו, והממשלה תהיה על כתפו. ושמו ייקרא נפלא, יועץ, אלוהים אדירים, אב נצח, נסיך השלום. ." הגשמה: לוקס ב':11 "כי נולד לכם היום בעיר דוד מושיע שהוא המשיח ה'".
נבואות אלו, בין רבות אחרות, מדגישות את ההתאמה המדהימה בין הברית הישנה לחייו של ישוע. אנו מוצאים בו את התגשמות הבטחותיו של אלוהים ואת הגשר המאחד את האמונה היהודית עם תקווה לישועה לכל האנושות.
בזמן שאתה חושב על הנבואות האלה, אני ממליץ לך לחקור את הקשר בין הברית הישנה והחדשה, תוך הכרה בישוע כמשיח המיוחל. יהי רצון שאלוהים של אברהם, יצחק ויעקב יגלה לך את האמת הזו לגבי המשיח המיוחל.
בברכה, יעקב
Thank you I will definitely use what you have wrote when speaking to my Jewish Neighbors. God bless
Something has always died for our sins for without the shedding of blood there is no firgiveness of sins.....bulls, goats, lambs etc but always put on the scapegoat, Jesus now the lamb of God the final sacrifice. Surely a blinding over Israel or how could a dirty gentile like me be saved. Thankyou Jesus
Oh really? Then please explain how jesus was allegedly able to heal a paralyzed man if there's no forgiveness without sacrifices?
@@moses2031 Jesus is God, he can both forgive sins and heal.....the cross is the ultimate sacrifice that he looked toward and we look back too. But a sacrifice JESUS was always scheduled for you and me and the paralysed.
@@moses2031the sacrifice is standing there before him, believing in him was accepting that sacrifice.
Blessings to you Dr.Brown and your ministry
Wow... Paul's debate with the self-righteous Jews in Romans come to life!
Dr Brown is a true man of God
I recommend Dr. Brown Vs. Rabbi Tovia Singer and also Professor Solberg Vs. Rabbi Singer as well
The problem with the Orthodox Jewish interpretation of Isaiah 53 being "Israel",
instead of the Messiah, is In most of the verses, there are 2 different subjects. One subject is represented by the Pro-nouns "He" & "Him", while the other subject is represented by the Pro-nouns "We" & "Our". And these 2 subjects cannot be the SAME.
Now we know that the Pro-nouns "We" & "Our", are clearly speaking of the people of "Israel".
But the Jews believe that the Pro-nouns "He" & "Him", are ALSO speaking of "Israel".
And that interpretation does not work because that makes BOTH SUBJECTS the SAME,
and it does not make any sense. Here is an example....
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3 "HE" (Israel) is despised and rejected of men; a "MAN" of sorrows,
and acquainted with grief and "WE" (Israel) hid as it were "OUR" (Israel's) faces from
"HIM" (Israel); "HE" (Israel) was despised, and "WE" (Israel) esteemed "HIM" (Israel) not.
4 Surely "HE" (Israel) hath borne "OUR" (Israel's) griefs, and carried "OUR" (Israel's) sorrows:
yet "WE" (Israel) did esteem "HIM" (Israel) stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But "HE" (Israel) was wounded BY "OUR" (Israel's) transgressions,
"HE" (Israel) was bruised BY "OUR" (Israel's) iniquities:
the chastisement of "OUR" (Israel's) peace was upon "HIM" (Israel);
and with "HIS" (Israel's) stripes "WE" (Israel) are healed.
6 All "WE" (Israel) like sheep have gone astray; "WE" (Israel) have turned every one
to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on "HIM" (Israel) the iniquity of "US" (Israel) all.
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So when you make BOTH ("He" & "Him") & ("We" & Our") the SAME SUBJECT, meaning "Israel",
it does not make sense and it does not work.
Because "He" & "Him" is SINGULAR, and "We" & "Our" is PLURAL, so they cannot be the same.
Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus the Messiah, the suffering savior for Israel & the Gentiles.
@@falsemessiah751 O.K., let's assume that you are right about that.
There are still 2 subjects that are talked about in those verses and they cannot BOTH BE "ISRAEL". So if one of the subjects is ISRAEL, then who is the other "subject" talking about ?
Please translate verse 3 for me below...
Write the whole verse out for me and insert into the pronouns, "We", "He", "Our" & "Him", and tell me who each "pronoun" is talking about.
Thank you for your time....
3 "HE" (Israel) is despised and rejected of men; a "MAN" of sorrows,
and acquainted with grief and "WE" (Israel) hid as it were "OUR" (Israel's) faces from "HIM" (Israel); "HE" (Israel) was despised, and "WE" (Israel) esteemed "HIM" (Israel) not.
@@falsemessiah751 Is there any reason why you cannot do what I asked you to do ? Write verse 3 out and insert into the Pronouns, We, He, Him, & Our, who it is talking about...it is a very simple request. Thank you
@@falsemessiah751 Thank you. Maybe because the "Plural" pronouns "We" are talking about "Israel" and not the Messiah.
Because in verses 4 & 5, according to your interpretation, "Israel" has borne and carried the "Gentile Nations" grief, transgressions, & iniquities !! That doesn't work either I"m sorry to say, and I would be very surprised if you did not agree.
@@falsemessiah751 Another honest question that I have concerning Isaiah 53, and the interpretation that "we" is speaking of the Gentile nations, is why would God speak through Isaiah, who is a Jewish Prophet to the nation of Israel, but yet Isaiah is speaking as a "Gentile" in the "first person" ?
The Gentiles were not even God's people at that time.
So when you add that together with "Israel" bearing the sins and iniquities of the Gentile nations, it just doesn't work, because several times in that chapter, it speaks of someone being "Sinless", and that cannot be speaking of "Israel" or any other "Nation".
@@falsemessiah751 I think we can agree that we don't even have to address the "so-called" mistranslations of the "Christian" bible, as I am reading these verses from your perspective and interpretation.
"the LORD hath laid on him (Israel) the iniquity of us (Gentiles) all.
(verse 6c) (God put MY sin on Israel ?, not at all.)
"when thou shalt make his soul (Israel) an offering for sin" (Verse 10b)
(Israel is the "offering" for MY or Gentiles sins? not at all.)
"by his (Israels) knowledge shall my righteous servant (Israel) justify many; for he shall bear their (Gentiles) iniquities." (verse 11b)
(Israel bore MY or the Gentiles iniquities? Not at all.)
"and he (Israel) bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (verse 12d) (Israel bore MY or the Gentiles sin ? Not at all.)
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"because he (Israel) had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth." (Verse 9b)
(Israel did NO VIOLENCE with NO DECEIT in their mouth?) Your joking right?
It just doesn't work.
As far as the "Sinless" verses go,
"had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth" (v. 9)
(That can't be speaking of Israel )
The other 5 verses "imply" sinless status as God is putting the
"sins & iniquities" of someone else on another person or "nation".
Meaning the "sins" were not their "own", meaning "sinless".
Just like "a lamb without blemish" was required for a sacrifice.
Sorry, "Israel" just doesn't fit that description, it just does not work.
Take Care.
It takes the Holy Spirit of Jesus christ to open the eyes
The Jews are right on this...The text in Isiah 53 DOES NOT MENTION JESUS NAME, DOES NOT MENTION THE MESSIAH, and besides Isiah was concerned with what was going on in his time...Don't you all think the Jews know their own Torah...This is just like most of all the other prophecies...they are too vague, Christians wish them to be true, because they want to believe... And nothing wrong with that but that does not make it true... There are so many problems with the whole Bible that once you research the bible with the HISTORICAL SCHOLARS you will find so much of it is forced to make the old testament predict the new testament. We all know Jesus cannot be wrong...yet he did not return in the lifetime of the apostles like he said he would...THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH...LAST CHAPTER OF MARK WAS ADDED LATER....it goes on and on...
You need the Holy Spirit, He will guide you in all truth. Seek the Lord we live in evil days.
I am sure the Jews know there own Torah ...and so does Dr Brown...he is a Jew. I enjoyed and learned from both sides of the argument. There are also Jews that don't even believe in God.
Awesome 😎
Praise Yahweh Almighty Father's and Yahshua Almighty MessiYah 🙏 HallyluYah Yahweh and Yahshua
The passage applies to Abraham Lincoln. Pretty funny.
Blesphmey
Rabbi Shmuley opening words reminds me of the pride of Satan, in Isaiah 14:12-14
The Jews failed to recognize their day of visitation and still fail to recognize. So horrible. In believing that the Messiah would come they failed to realize He really WOULD and did come.
Shmuely starts with one of the most soul-enrichinng and important truths that the Jewish tradition preserves for us...We have the freedom to take responsibility for our actions. Meaning you are not the incarnation of evil tainted by the sin of primordial man who therefore is doomed to inappropriate behavior until you believe a certain religious dogma. Neither is the object of your inappropriate behavior somehow doomed to receiving such treatment for either their or your errors.
That is exactly why Jordan Peterson's lectures have been so helpful to so many people around the world lately. Peterson tells people to clean up their room. He tells them to sacrifice. He doesn't tell them that someone else paid the price for the mess they continue to live in so that they can avoid the consequences of this in an afterlife. I find it interesting that so much of what Peterson teaches aligns more with Jewish thought than with the church he has been exposed to through his family. Even his daughter Michaela became a christian mostly because of a drug trip... something which anyone can experience in any religion and with any sort of religious icon appearing to the person. Christians look at their new testament and think that it accurately represents jewish thought when in reality it is a fun house of nonsense, misrepresentation and outright lies. And worse, as evidence that these lies must somehow be true, they look toward emotional highs and miracles! Miracles and highs happen everywhere in the world. They are no more evidence of truth than a potato chip in the image of Mary.
Faith in Jesus is accompanied by repentance. Faith without works is dead. The atonement isn't a license to sin. Jesus didn't die so we can continue in sin,but to put sin to death. Jesus said go and sin no more.. Michael Brown explained some of this in the video. He also mention sewing and reaping.
@@jackieruiz2348 Any historic person that may have been reinvented as the Jesus of Christianity would be horrified at what nonsense theology is supposedly attributed to him. Michael Brown's teaching is horrifyingly removed from reality.
@@booksquid856 How so?
Wow, great job Dr Brown!! Amen
I feel so sorry for this Jewish man, and for any who agree with his point of view. I can see he harbors much hate. It was most evident when he described people who murdered others. He yelled there is no forgiveness or atonement, for those who kill the innocent. Then that would mean King David would have never been forgiven for sending his friend to the Frontline to die, so King David could take his wife. So basically the Jewish teacher speaking would say King David is in hell for his horrific murder of his friend. But that is not the truth.King David is in heaven with God our Father and The Risen Lord Jesus. Blessed are those who's sins are paid for by another. Ty Yeshua for your great Love
Right exactly! And Saul wouldn't have became Paul if it wasn't for christs atonement,
both men are great but brown was divinely inspired instead of merely flawlessly eloquent
I pray The Lord opens his eyes because that alone was terrible.
Nice Debate. I really enjoyed it. The Jews will one day come to recognise the one whom they pearced.
אני יהודי, ואני מאמין בישוע המשיח,
שלום מישראל❤❤❤🇮🇱🇮🇱❤
Firstly it's pierced not pearced. Secondly it was the romans who killed jesus not the Jews. Go learn some history.
I love my Jewish brothers and sisters but how could you miss Him? How?
The one spoken of in Isaiah 53 *cannot* be the nation, because it was FOR the iniquity of his people that he was bruised, wounded, crushed and cut off.
“… for the transgression of my people was he stricken.” - Isaiah 53:8
It's sad that the Messiah they are waiting for is based on who and what they want, ignoring the prophets in their very own Tanakh
Yep
As a gentile, i am thoroughly enjoying thorough thursday.
I am a Gentile Believer too.
Within the first 30 seconds the Rabbi immediately misses what Messiah is. He says we say there is no repentance.......yet Jesus repeatedly preaches repentance
Dr. Brown you do good to debate with these people. That was extremely difficult to watch the rabbi mutilate Isaiah 53. Do you think people that are so entrenched can change? At any rate it was hard to watch but necessary. I’d say you are a warrior for the truth and your mission to the Jews is needed. Thank you.
I would love for you to interview Rabbi Zev Porat, he has a powerful testimony.
You cooked him Dr. Brown 🙌
Tovia singer next!
Shmuley's histrionics was an immediate turn off
Why did he die for Isaiah's sin? ("All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.") Since he says "All we" including Jews ("we all")
The rabbi claims to feel "ashamed" by the bad that he does. Imagine how he will feel when he realises that he fought against the lamb of God, sent to save the people from their shame, disgrace and death.
"If You Believed Moses," new book by Fr. Mawdsley, is awesome on Old and New Testament typology and conversion of the Jews.
This is my first time hearing Schmuley. He delivers a highly emotional and very self-centered message. No different from a prosperity preacher. His arguments.... should I say, comments... ignore everything Jesus said.
his argument is that Christians misinterpret Isaiah 53. He uses unnecessarily theatrical language but he finally gets there. I'm not overly impressed with Brown's arguments regarding Isaiah 53. At best, it's a draw. Bear in mind that this video is not my first introduction to the discrepancies between the Jewish and Christian interpretations of Isaiah 53 so my reluctance to accept the Christian message is not based on the contents of this video.
It's a very poor debate altogether. Brown sounds like he's listing good points but to me it seems more like gish galloping.
didn't Boteach put out a book about Jesus being the messiah? "kosher Jesus" talking about that Jesus is the Messaih. Did he convert
Excellent debate. Good work. It is just like Paul back in the synagogues. At this point Paul probably would have been quoting David, "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not take into account." We do have a God who justifies the wicked. That is the basis of grace in Christianity.
"Your arguments just don't hold water at all" 😂 that was the best statement for me. It was a sincere true statement.
What powerful opening statements! I was expecting the power of God to fill that place and for people to get radically saved!
Thank you Dr Brown, GOD bless you !!!
The Rabbi is wrong. Isaiah 53 has not always been interpreted by the Jews as referring to the nation of Israel and in fact the interpretation of referring to the nation of Israel is rather recent. To cite but a few examples:
Rabbi Moses Alschech (1508-1600) says (referring to Isaiah chapter 53):
“Our Rabbis with one voice accept and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking of the Messiah, and we shall ourselves also adhere to the same view.”
Rabbi Yafeth Ben Ali ( second half of the 10th Century):
“As for myself, I am inclined to regard it as alluding to the Messiah.”
Abraham Farissol ( 1451- 1526) says:
“In this chapter there seem to be considerable resemblances and allusions to the work of the Christian Messiah and to the events which are asserted to have happened to Him, so that no other prophecy is to be found the gist and subject of which can be so immediately applied to Him.”
Gersonides (1288-1344) on Deut. 18:18:
“In fact Messiah is such a prophet, as it is stated in the Midrasch on the verse,’Behold, my servant shall prosper…’ (Isa. 52:13).”
Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai (2.Century) , Zohar,, part II, page 212a and III, page 218a, Amsterdam Ed.):
“There is in the garden of Eden a palace called : ‘The palace of the sons of sickness, this palace the Messiah enters, and summons every sickness, every pain, and every chastisement of Israel: they all come and rest upon Him. And were it not that He had thus lightened them off Israel, and taken them upon Himself, there had been no man able to bear Israels chastisement for the transgression of the law; this is that which is written, ‘Surely our sicknesses he has carried’ Isa.53,4).- As they tell Him (the Messiah) of the misery of Israel in their captivity, and of those wicked ones among them who are not attentive to know their Lord, He lifts up His voice and weeps for their wickedness; and so it is written,’He was wounded for our transgressions’ (Isa.53,5).
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Even if there were some who believed Isaiah 53 refers to Israel in the 2nd century A.D. it still didn't start to become a commonly held view until Medieval times.
I didn't bother to look up your sources for the commentaries but I am guessing they are all from after the year 1000?
@@falsemessiah751
Actually when I look up your citations I am not getting early dates for everyone either. When I look up Ibn Ezra I get the years 1000-1100. When I look up Don Yitzchak Abarbenal he didn't live until the years 1437-1508. When I look up Talmud Berachoth I do get the years 5a c.450 - c.550 CE which are a little earlier but, again, I didn't say there were absolutely no sources calling the Suffering Servant Israel. What I said is there were plenty of sources before fairly recently calling the Suffering Servant a person rather than the nation of Israel. When I look up Midrash Rabba I find that it was created over 8 centuries being first published in the 1600s; maybe I'm wrong on this one but if I am please point out where because I don't see otherwise when I look it up. When I look up Targum Jonathan it was written in the 4th century A.D. However, there is also this intro to Isa. 52:13 in Targum Jonathan which says ”Behold, my servant the Messiah shall prosper; he shall be high and increase and be exceedingly strong…“. If you look above at my previous citations I also gave you one from the Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai Zohar,, part II, page 212a and III, page 218a, Amsterdam Ed. which dates from the 2nd century A.D.
@@falsemessiah751
Midrash (on Ruth 2,14): “He is speaking of the King Messiah - ‘Come hither’, i.e.”>Draw near to the throne, The bread of the kingdom.’ This refers to the chastisements
@@falsemessiah751
Would you mind telling me which of your sources are from before the Medieval period because when I look them up none of them appear to be from before that time period. Rabbi Simeon Ben Jochai lived in the 2nd century A.D. and Rabbi Jose the Galilean lived in the 1rst and 2nd centuries A.D.
I have no idea who is Walter Brueggemann Ph.D but I'm sure I could find just as many people who disagree with him. There are certainly plenty of Jewish writers proceeding him in the previous centuries who would disagree with him.
There is further evidence ancient Jews believed Isaiah 53 to prophesize the Messiah in Micah 5:2:
But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity. Micah 5:2
A person who would be born in Bethlehem is mentioned in this passage.
The Jewish Study Bible says of Micah 5:2:
"Traditional Jewish interpretations of this verse tends to focus on comparisons between the birth pangs of a woman and the hardship of Israel prior to the coming of the Messiah. See the following text: “Rab said: The son of David will not come until the [Roman] power enfolds Israel for nine months, as it is written, Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. ‘Ulla said: Let him [The Messiah) come, but let me not see him. Rabbah said likewise: Let him come, but let me not see him … Abaye enquired of Rabbah: ‘What is your reason [for not wishing to see him)? Shall we say, because of the birth pangs [preceding the advent] of the Messiah?’ But it has been taught, R. Eleazar’s disciples asked him: ‘What must a man do to be spared the pangs of the Messiah?’ [He answered,] ‘Let him engage in study and benevolence; and you Master do both.’ ” (b. Smr/1. 98b [Soncino ET]).[1]"
It can be seen from here that the Messiah would come sometime after the Roman Empire had become powerful and occupied Israel for more than 9 months. This view from the Jewish Study Bible is Isaiah 53 refers to the Messiah and not to the nation of Israel.
There is also this from Josephus who lived was born in 37 A.D.:
“That then should their city be taken, as well as their holy house, when once their temple should become foursquare.” But now, what did most elevate them in undertaking this war, was an ambiguous oracle that was also found in their sacred writings, how, “about that time, one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth.” The Jews took this prediction to belong to themselves in particular and many of the wise men were thereby deceived in their determination. Now, this oracle certainly denoted the government of Vespasian, who was appointed emperor in Judea. However, it is not possible for men to avoid fate, although they see it beforehand. But these men interpreted some of these signals according to their own pleasure; and some of them they utterly despised, until their madness was demonstrated, both by the taking of their city, and their own destruction. (Book 2, chapter 6, and paragraph 4)
In this passage the Jews are expecting someone to come in the 1rst century to deliver them from the Romans (about that time, one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth.) which is a Messiah who would come and rule over the whole World.
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Upon further research it does appear that there were at least three people before Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah according to Jewish historian Josephus. They were 1. Judas, son of the bandit chief Ezekias, whom Herod the Great had executed 2. Simon of Perea, a slave of king Herod who was the leader of a rebellion that burned down the palace in Jericho who was eventually executed 3. Athronges in Judea who leading his armed supporters and brothers was recognized by them as being a king and led them against Herod Archelaus and the Romans. It is apparent from this writing that Jews were already expecting a Messiah to deliver them from the Romans before Jesus was crucified. (Josephus, Jewish War; Josephus, Jewish Antiquities; Crossan, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant)
Please tell me in the Tanakh where it says that men will rage war in the messiah's name after his death. Please do. I challenge any Christian to do so and I shall also become a Christian if you can show me where it says that in the Tanakh (Old Testament)
Men do what they want in Gods name, even Jews when they genocided the Canaanites because God told them too.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker The war with the Canaanites wasn't regarding the Messiah. Still waiting...
@@jamesmartin2740 It was war based on their belief that God was telling them to do it. Killing in Gods name is still killing. We believe Jesus is God incarnate. Same thing.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker Not the same thing at all.
And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift the sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. (Isaiah 2:4)
Jesus didn't accomplish anything and there has been nothing but war ever since his death, including genocides on my Jewish brothers and sisters as well as Christian and Muslims wars and conquest. Not the Messiah. Isaiah 2:4 is clear about this.
Jesus is a nobody. Repent today.
@@jamesmartin2740 You have no clue, who Yeshua is. Did you asked for revelation from God? I do not think so. You better shut your mouth, because Yeshua will be your judge.
Both sides had relevant points, and the entirety of the interpretation Isaiah 53 has yet to be revealed, because there are parts of the Old Testament (the prophets) that have yet to be fulfilled.
To make a blanket statement in assigning a single character in history to the servant in Isaiah 53 does not hold water, gaps will remain on both sides of the argument, whether you believe the servant to be Jesus Christ or Israel as a nation.
There remains a time in history when the Jewish people will again be exalted before all the nations, as Jesus Himself said, that Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled".
Even Paul writes that blindness in part has happened to Israel "until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in".
Jesus did not come to re-emphasise the separation between Jew and Gentile, but to remove the enmity between the two.
The goal should be to establish a connection between both sides of the argument rather than to see both as being mutually exclusive, only then will there be total reconciliation, as Paul writes in Romans 11, that "all Israel shall be saved", and both Christians and Jews continue to look towards such a time.
Writing this as a Christian and a believer in Jesus Christ.
The Spirit and the Bride say, "Maranatha!"
Brown is on the right side of history and Scripture. Too bad more Jews cannot yet bring themselves to join him there.
Phewwwww getting chills every time Dr Brown proclaims scriptures about Yeshu’a our Lrd
With due respect, the Bible is ultimately about God 's salavation and redemption and not an emotional Jew as represenetd by in this debate,
Who is more angry.
I wonder what the Jewish religion would look like if Gods plan was different, it Jesus was never born, judaism would be just some small obscure religion i think.
Judaism is still one of the smallest religions, based on numbers of believers, on the planet. But so are lovers of classical music.
The Jews would never have been persecuted and would be much larger.
christianity didn't do any favors for Judaism.
@@moses2031 Jews were persecuted before Christians arrived on the scene.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker That is true, but wouldn't you agree that after Christianity, the Jews were persecuted way more than before Christianity? Aren't you aware that when Constantine became emperor he mad numerous harsh decrees against those who followed Judaism? Do you think the crusades, blood libels, inquisitions, forced conversions, Chmielnicki pogroms, etc would have happened if Christianity weren't around? Why is it that most people who are Antisemitic today have their views about Jews influenced by religion?
The thing is...Isiah chapters 40 to 66 was not written by the Prophet Yeshayahu Bin Amoz...this questions the credibility of these chapters...the real prophecy of Yeshayahu regarding the Moshiac was on Chapter 2 of the scripture.
Did not Jesus' own apostles hide there faces? When Peter was asked " werent you one of the Nazarenths apostels?" Peter responded 3 x " im not him" So Jesus was rejected by his own people
Dr Brown he threw you off topic by changing it to repentance/punishment. That was not the nature nor topic of the debate. If you stayed on topic he most certainly would have run out of things to say. He already did in opening that he even switched to that. Thank heavens you brought him back to it in the second section.
‘The good that I do, I take pride in’: dear Rabbi, the Word of God says ‘the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked’ Jer 17:9. Paul, a highly esteemed Jewish man wrote ‘have known that there doth not dwell in me, that is, in my flesh, good: for to will is present with me, and to work that which is right I do not find’ Rom 7:18. We need atonement, be it a substitution offering, or the blood of Jesus Christ, because we need to acknowledge that there is no good in us, whatsoever, no righteousness but for God.
‘You must do it yourself’: dear Rabbi, this is the origin of sin, the pride of man, that we can do it ourselves. But for God.
I’m just wondering why is this video cut?
I respect smully , but to me the sheep to the slaughter or silent lamb fits Jesus perfect, his own people killed him sheep to slaughter, and yes silent lamb as he didn’t fight or argue or cry he took it like a man and redeemed us
It absolutely amazes me how the Rabbi just does not understand his own scriptures..
Michael is super in his presentation.
Somebody is dancing around the subject. I'll take Dr. Brown's advice and just read Isaiah 53.
Do NOT read Isaiah 53!!
READ THE ENTIRE BOOK OF ISAIAH!!!
Do not follow Dr Brown's advice of reading chapter's out of context.
@@moses2031 I've read the entire book of Isaiah many times. When someone tries to be ignorant, they just say something is out of context without offering any of their own theories.
@@5070RAA Lol, I've also read the book of Isaiah many times. You want to know why it's taken out of context?
Burst into songs of joy together,
you ruins of Jerusalem,
for the Lord has comforted his people,
he has redeemed Jerusalem.
The Lord will lay bare >>>his holy arm>arm of the Lord
@@moses2031 I meant to respond to you yesterday, but I had some unforeseen circumstances. I wonder what your background is because I often whether you are from a Muslim, Atheist or of Jewish tradition the affects the scriptures that I would use to substantiate my claim. I think there is a misunderstanding of my position. Isaiah says nothing about the Messiah, but it does talk about the nature of the crucifixion where a scapegoat is used to make intercession for transgressors and bare the sins of many (Isaiah 53:12). This is mirrored in the passage about the scapegoat making atonement for the sins of Israel in Leviticus 16:10. I agree with you that Isaiah 53 does not directly say Messiah, but since it mentions a suffering servant who atones for the sins of others, then I would say that Isaiah 53 indirectly talks about one who pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities (Isaiah 53:5). You say that "He" in Isaiah 53 references to Israel, so I am to believe that 'He' translated to Hebrew is plural? If this is true, then what about "our" in verse 5. Is that also Israel, is it Isaiah and his friends, is it the Gentiles. I think he is a person and you allusion from Isaiah 52 to it being Israel does not make sense to me. I have refrained from using the New Testament if you are of Jewish descent. But there would have to be a lot of people mistaken if Jesus is not the Messiah. The list of 'greatly mistaken' people from the New Testament would be the Apostle Peter (Matthew 16:16), the Magi (Matthew 2:4), Angels of God (Luke 2:11), Prophets of God in Simeon (Luke 2:26-32) and Anna (Luke 2:36-38), John the Baptist (John 1:29-34) and God (Matthew 3:16-17). So all these people and God himself seem to be horribly mistaken about who the Messiah is. Therefore, my position is that Isaiah does not directly say that the suffering servant is the messiah, but the Old Testament details of the concept of the scapegoat in Isaiah 53 combined with the details of the New Testament I showed you give indirect evidence that Jesus was the suffering servant because he was pierced, he had no deceit, he was silent as a lamb, he was assigned a grave with sinners and the rich, and his sacrifice led to peace and intercession with transgressors. All these things were stated by Isaiah the prophet and were fulfilled by Jesus who name is actually Joshua, which means the Lord Saves. Also, Jesus would not have been crucified if he did not claim to be the Son of Man (Mark 14:60-64) spoken by Daniel in (Daniel 10:13-14). Israel means struggle with God and it looks like God dealt with this struggle. I hope this helps. You can believe what you want.
@@5070RAA I am Jewish.
If Isaiah does not mention the word Messiah in it, then how do you know that it's a Messianic prophecy? Isaiah has a chapter about the Messiah. It's chapter 11. There he refers to the Messiah as "Stump of Jesse." If Isaiah wanted us to know that he is talking about the Messiah, then why didn't he use the same term he used to describe the Messiah as in Isaiah 11? Even if jesus is the fulfillment of Isaiah 53, that would still not prove that he is the Messiah if we don't even know for certain that Isaiah 53 is a Messianic prophecy. But Isaiah uses the very ambiguous term "My Servant." The term my servant is used to describe numerous people in Tanakh. Why is he using that term for Isaiah 53 to tell is that it's the Messiah if we have no idea who the servant may be referring to?
However Isaiah does use the term "My Servant" consistently to describe Israel:
“But you, Israel, my servant" (Isaiah 41:8)
But now listen, Jacob, my servant, Israel, whom I have chosen (Isaiah 44:1)
Remember these things, Jacob, for you, Israel, are my servant. I have made you, you are my servant; Israel, I will not forget you (Isaiah 44:21)
For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen (Isaiah 45:4)
He said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor.” (Isaiah 49:3)
Isaiah 53 talks about the nature of a crucifixion? Do you have any idea how many Jews (and gentiles) were crucified by the romans in the first century? What on earth makes you think that jesus is the fulfillment of Isaiah 53 because he was crucified if tens of thousands of others died exactly the same horrific death that he did?
Btw, Isaiah 53 does NOT say that the servant atones. In the same way that Isaiah 53 does not mention the word Messiah cuz it's not about the Messiah, it does not mention the word atonement cuz it's not about atonement.
"You say that "He" in Isaiah 53 references to Israel, so I am to believe that 'He' translated to Hebrew is plural?"
Because in Hebrew, singular language can refer to a group. It is used SO MANY TIMES throughout the Hebrew Bible. This is incredibly normal in Biblical Hebrew. But because you don't know Hebrew you wouldn't know that. All the times that Israel is called servant that I cited, it is in singular form. But to show you evidence that it's a group and not an individual:
Isaiah 53:8
נגע למו/Nega Lamo
THEY were stricken!
(Note that although all chistian bibles translate the word למו/Lamo in plural throughout the Bible, in Isaiah 53:8 they change it to singular. They are changing the word of G-D in order to make it match with their jesus)
"I think he is a person and you allusion from Isaiah 52 to it being Israel does not make sense to me"
So according to you, the arm of the L-RD in Isaiah 53:1 is not a reference to the arm of the L-RD in the previous chapter?
"But there would have to be a lot of people mistaken if Jesus is not the Messiah. The list of 'greatly mistaken' people from the New Testament would be the Apostle Peter (Matthew 16:16), the Magi (Matthew 2:4), Angels of God (Luke 2:11), Prophets of God in Simeon (Luke 2:26-32) and Anna (Luke 2:36-38), John the Baptist (John 1:29-34) and God (Matthew 3:16-17). So all these people and God himself seem to be horribly mistaken about who the Messiah is"
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ANY OF THAT IS EVEN TRUE??? CUZ YOUR HOLY BOOK SAYS SO??? What if none of those books are true? Then none of those people are mistaken. Only people that believe in those books are mistaken.
The funny thing about Dr. Brown is he can't even tell you what sins you are guilty of that you need a human sacrifice/ act of deicide in the form of Jesus to atone for them. Dr. Brown accuses you of non-existent crimes against God and as punishment you outsource all your responsibility to Jesus. Dr. Brown is completely incoherent.
The sins are any act in thought, word or deed that misses the holy standard of God ie 10 commandments...so we all have many sins to be punished for which is why Jesus had to die in our place, his righteousness for our sin a most wonderful exchange.
@@frankthetank8552 The Hebrew Bible was written for Jews and nowhere does it say non-Jews are obligated to keep Jewish law or even worship their God. Jesus spoke to Jews about the Jewish religion in the Jewish homeland about their religion. He didn't preach to Gentiles and he never said any non-Jew was forced to worship him or believe he atoned for their sins by dying on the cross.
@@irrationalmale
Are you forgetting His interaction with the Samaritan woman at the well?
Is there no serious debate out there based on scripture? Why do Jews reject Jesus as the prophesied messiah?
❤Blessed Sweetly Blessed ❤
Psalms 22!
Amen to the debate. Souls need to be saved and believe on the only name GOD gave us. Jesus (Emmanuel)
jesus was never called Immanuel.
@@moses2031
Jesus is Emmanuel
@@mamansurahman2135 Then why isn't he ever called Immanuel even once in the new testament?
@@moses2031
Because His name is Jesus but hE is Emanuel means God with us .. He is God in human form lives among men ..
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Emanuel means God with us , Jesus is God lives among men ..
I listened to the Jewish Rabbi Shmuley speak and instantly this came into my mind.
JESUS spoke:
John 8: 44-47 KJV
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Amen ✝ 🙏
Peace to unto all.
Only thru JESUS CHRIST can you walk the path towards the Kingdom of Heaven.
Amen ✝️ 🙏
FACT CHECK:
At the 45:15 mark, Rabbi Schmuley said that there is no mention of atonement in chapter 53 of Isaiah.
FALSE:
“He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
-Isaiah 53:11
The Torah states that a husband that divorces his wife can not remarry her if she has committed adultery and she is only released to remarry on the death of her husband. This is the mystery of the Gospel. As Israel was wed at Mt Sinai and later divorced by Elohim for adultery we are redeemed to remarry because of the death of the Husband, Yeshua Ben-Elohim.
I seriously thought that the Rabbi might have to excuse himself after your opening statements. B"H.
That Rabbi is an honorable man, I'm a Christian.
Which one?
Remember that the lord Jesus Christ said not to call anyone rabbi for you have one teacher.
Joanna Diaz no, that wasn't literal, nether was call no man father. Jewish hyperbole, you know jesus' culture?
@@joannadiaz2954 Amen 🙏
He just said that if Yeshua is the Mashiach he would reject religion, what means he would reject the Creator of the universe…. Well… what ego makes with man…
When he said that he lost the argument and demonstrated how lost his soul truly is ( I will pray for him )