Evangelicals (I was one) have no good answer, for why 90% of Jesus’s teaching was about how to LIVE, while 90% of Paul’s teaching was about BELIEVING in Jesus’s death and resurrection, and NOT about that 90% that Jesus taught His disciples.
The answer is that Paul had lived with most of the communities he wrote to, and they had seen firsthand how the teaching was lived out. Paul did not need to reiterate all of Jesus' teachings on daily living, for that is what the Holy Spirit does individually for each disciple (and the gospels already did so). "Trust" is a more appropriate translation of "pisteuo" than "believe," for the Spiritual Life must be lived in continuous trust of the Lord rather than mere intellectual assent. Paul's letters explained the secrets of what God had done in Messiah Jesus, since Paul was more Scripturally erudite than any of the other apostles. What has been compiled in the New Testament is what is necessary for the establishment and edification of the communities, but the Holy Spirit leads each disciple/congregation into all the truth they are willing to receive. Be blessed.
@@emmanintz6448 That’s an interesting answer, but not a GOOD answer, as I said before. Jesus spent 90% of his time (as I said), teaching the nature of the Kingdom of God, and how to live in it; IOW, stuff to DO. Paul either ignores, or didn’t know about, all that Kingdom teaching, and anything concerned with works at all, of course. Even his practical advice, such as Ephesians 5, doesn’t have the character of Jesus’s ethical teaching. It has a provisional, temporary quality, while Jesus preached the imminence of a new order, with new rules, so to speak, that would NEVER end. His ethics is by way of conforming one’s values and actions to this new reality, NOW, so one is ready when it comes, soon, and comes to stay. However, your comment on trust vs. faith (the latter, as the assent to certain propositions ABOUT Christ), I DO appreciate, but for a different reason: This error about “faith” is indeed the source of a HUGE problem with Biblical (vs. Catholic) faith, from the beginning. IMO, this is the cause of the endless schisms on the evangelical side, way before there were “Protestants”. If I’m saved by believing the right doctrines, that’s still something I DO, and I can’t fellowship with you if your set of doctrines differ, because it’s a salvation issue. But if I despair of doing ANYTHING myself, whether working or assenting, to be saved, but REALLY trust only in Christ’s works, in an existential way, not just as one more doctrine, then your differing doctrines are no threat to me, if you have the same trust. Perhaps I’m preaching to the choir in your case, but I’ve never met an evangelical at any level of authority who got what I just said, not really, not in a sort of red pill way, that I only saw myself, decades after leaving evangelicalism. Thanks for your comment.
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I mean who spends their whole life following us around trying to say we have it wrong? Why don't you go to some other religion and tell them that. I mean who would study a religion and spend their whole life showing how wrong it is? I mean I would just go fishing
You're great, thanks for starting your channel and putting out so much content lately. I had the pleasure to meet you in 2008 in Israel when I was a student of Dr. Arav excavating at Bethsaida. I have never ceased studying this sort of material. You are a model to me of how to be a clear and patient thinker, and the fact that I can play these videos and hear your calm voice and well-considered presentations of things adds something very valuable to my life, so, just saying THANK YOU for the work that you do and making these videos for everyone.
I think that's a compelling theory and I've wondered about it a lot. But if that were true, he would have misled a lot of Jews to stop observing the Law. I'm not sure he would have been okay with that, but who knows. Regardless, it seems he had some kind of strange motive.
I am certain that without Paul, Christianity would not have taken off in the Mediterranean region and would probably have been just a sect of the Jewish community.
Rastas believe that Paul is a usurper who’s role was to diminish and deter the church from following Peter, whom Christ refers to as “the Rock on whom I will build my church”
Sharp observation! The gospel of Jesus and of Peter were similar to each other but Paul's was different in a crucial way. Again, teaching from synoptics is confusing and misleading to potential converts who understand that they are different. Better is the "Roman road".
tT have his thesis taken seriously, Dr. Tabor needs to reference some peer scholars that have written published papers on the Gospel of Mark being couched in Pauline Christianity (i.e., illustrate that other scholars see credible linkage) The problem is that it is only the Book of Acts that mentions Paul outside of Paul's own letters, so the author of Mark doesn't explicitly make any mention of Paul. Everybody would have been looking to the Hebrew Bible to see if/how Yeshua was in some manner presaged in that body of scripture. And the suffering servant motif of Isaiah is a rather obvious place to go to to mine. Consequently, it sits as speculation to make the inference that Mark based his theological take from Paul but for whatever reason was too embarrassed(?) to actually make mention of Paul(?)
@@edwardwalsh5477 how do you think Paul's gospel was different then Peters and Jesus's? Paul had no gospel but was preaching by the Holy Spirit. It's all Jesus's
Where do you find in scripture, these assertions? I'll try to answer, nevertheless. 1) Gospel is neither Hebrew nor English but a transliteration from Greek. Often translated by the phrase, "good news" which is a general term. Thus, Gospel is just "good news" like when Peter was caught up from drowning when he prayed "lord Save me" and when the Hebrew children survived the fiery furnace etc. Very different content these two places but both "good news'. Also consider Noah's salvation (good news) by his following God's direction to build an ark. To know what the content of a gospel is, read the record. Paul's gospel begins to appear in Acts (13?) and continues minimally with I Cor. 15:1-4. This record is not the same as Peter's (gospel of the Kingdom). Read it in Acts 2 and up thru Acts 8. Simple. 2) Paul's preaching may have been Spirit driven but was actually the mission (good news) of the Lord Jesus for the world by Paul. Read about that in Acts also. Chapter 9, I think - his conversion included Jesus' plan for Paul - to go to the World and reach the ones not yet confronted by and offered the salvation by grace that was Paul's unique message to his unique mission field, the world. The differences are critical; misunderstandings and misrepresentations have caused much confusion and grief within most Christian preaching and teaching. The "Great Commission" has been replaced by Jesus' words from heaven to Paul. Redeemed persons have been transformed by God's Holy Spirit and, according to Paul (Eph. 2:8-10), challenged to a mission of reconciliation (between men and between God and men), fulfilled by the Church; not by Kingdom living. That (Kingdom) offering by God was suspended after 3 years of Jesus' ministry plus 1 year of preaching by Peter et. al. the end of which is marked by the stoning to death of Stephen. Trust yourself to read, study and (by God's Holy Spirit) understand these things because God took the trouble to inform you. Don't disappoint Him.@@JakeLeidahl
Why? Tabor is saying that Paul received his teaching from the apostles. Paul states that he did not receive it from man. Aren't the apostles men?? How can Tabor really make sense? If Paul made up the teaching which Tabor claims influenced the writing of the four gospels did a Jewish temple really exist in the land of Canaan? How can Tabor say that the Torah of the Jews is true and yet say that Paul is false?
@@allanwilliams2079 Paul made up his teachings about Jesus, thats the main point if its a matter of belief for you go a head and believe he received it from Heaven or whatever. The point is Paul teaching is his own it differs significantly from the apostles, and he admit it that he had arguments with them. It's up to you to believe the portrayal that Paul created for Jesus even though he never saw him or knew him. Or believe what we can know about the historical Jesus and what the apostles and his followers who knew him thought of him and his teachings there is no middling in this.
@@sheri1983 1983, an interesting year for me. I hope our exchange will prove interesting. To gain some context though, so that I can give a hopeful right response to your comment, can you say Which source, or sources of information are you accepting as correctly reporting about the historical Jesus(as you label him), and what the apostles and people who knew him say of Him and his teaching? Ex: all four gospels, the book of Acts... I would like to know the source that you are using to make your argument so that I can use from the same source to respond. Do not want us to be running on parallel lines. Would like us to be clear on what we are referring to.
@@allanwilliams2079 We know more from the alteration than the Apostles writings which we don't have. For Example you can see the earliest Gospel Mark on 10:18 (And many others!) where Jesus it talking in a language that's consistent with previous Israeli prophets. Mathew and other clearly didn't like that and alter it. Same alteration happened to Josephus writings on Jesus, when you remove those "additions" you get a better understanding of what people thought of Jesus in early Christianity and how it evolved. It was not a concrete understanding of him. This is why you have First Council of Nicaea 325 AD discussing the nature of Jesus 300 year later! if that doesn't give you a clue I don't what will. My advise broaden your horizon and read/watch more on the historical Jesus from Tabor, Vermes, Dale Allison, Ehrman. There are many questions also that comes to mind why the Gospels was written much later, Why we trust Paul who didn't see or Knew Jesus, Why Christianity is a much later idea than Jesus himself and it kept evolving, Why Gospels were written in Greek? A Language that Jesus and his followers didn't speak? and many other questions/
Peter is the leader of the apostles ,Jesus gave Peter the keys to the gates of Heaven not James , Peter got up and told the others , did not the Lord give me the authority , to preach to the Gentiles , when Peter was out on his boat ,did not Jesus ask Peter to come to him and Peter started walking on the water , Peter is mention 92 times in the Bible , James 17 times , the end .
William Blake, ‘And did those feet…?’. Answer: Yes! Joseph of Arimathea brought his family to Britain in the last year of Tiberius -36-37 a.d. Where, in the Bible, are the witness testimonies that describe Jesus floating up into the sky? Ergo, the Christ would have been with them. Paul did visit Britain and William Blake knew this history.
Excelente, magnífico.!!! Very good exposition, thank you for sharing with us. I graduated from Rio Grande Bible Seminary 1982, then study in another school in Mexico City and also concentration in Bible at Taylor University but they never taught me what I've been learning through James Tabor and other historians and philologist in the last 4 years.
@williamacuff7707 Bill, you insert a comment in just about every thread with "false". You're not doing any good with that. With a couple of sentences, explain your position on this and have a dialog with people. Otherwise, be gone.
GREAT teaching! The feeling i have about paul is that he never followed Jesus or converted, but that he was stil doing the job he was hired for, which was to erase the teachings of the jesus movement from this planet. Persecution did not work, so maybe he changed his way by inserting fake information instead. Making him a deceiver.. We now all know how deceivers work.. since we all run into it online... if someone points out very often how much you can trust him .. then he cannot be trusted..
@@jamesdewane1642 i see no reason for romans to hire paul... The teaching of jesus were annoying to Jerusalem religions, Jesus never said a bad thing about roman religion to convert/correct those.. Maybe the later gospel writers were roman based. And tbh.. if you read the old testament, it states that god told the Israelites to kill false prophets... so they were in that way correct for having Jesus killed.. But i just know that those things can NEVER have been said by God, but were added later to control the people through fear... The fear of being killed is even greater then the fear of being send to hell after you die...
@@larryp6671 thanks for your reply, The fun thing is that the whole bible tells us itself how it works to make people go wrong. Israel was the chosen people to bring misunderstanding into this world, a book as a fruit from a tree to follow personal sexual drifts instead of listening to God's own communication of good and evil, wich is that we feel bad when we observe injustice.. and feel good when justice is observed. There is a promise to what happen when letter are added or removed... and it did happen, so things have been added and removed to the teachings about God. But where the eastern religions are missing information to become false religions, the abrahamics used adding lies to protect the Truth missing in the rest. 1 and 1 is 2.... and you understand where the whole freedom of choice goes bad, all choices are based on the past. But if you let God guide you, the choices will be based on the future. and when you know the outcome of things choices become very easy to make. Yes, Israel is the chosen people, but for misunderstanding and evil, and only the ALLknowing can justify that....
Whoa, James! This is big. . . I've been a student of the Christian Scriptures for 60 years and what you are laying out here -- that Paul is not passing on what he received from the apostles but what he received directly from Jesus-as-the-Christ -- seems to me to be one of THE most significant tectonic shifts in interpretative practices. Thank you! Now I have to go back and read the Gospels all over again with this POV. . .
Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord Fragment 6 "Mark having become an interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatever he remembered... for he neither heard the LORD, or accompanied him" "Matthew put together the Oracles... in the Hebrew language" The Muratorian Canon Fragment I "Luke... when Paul had taken with him as one zealous for the law, composed it in his own name, according to belief. Yet he himself had not seen the LORD in the flesh; and therefore, as he was able to ascertain events" "The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples. To his fellow disciples and overseers, who had been urging him [to write]." The Jews essentially did what they always did, kill someone for not following commandments. End of story. Beyond that, it's all fiction. All made up by Paul. Paul authored the majority of the NT, trying to convince people that Jesus was the Mosiach, and the Jews somehow got it wrong. The Jews got it right. Mark was the first Gospel written... 40 years after the death of Jesus. The original account in Mark (Codex Sinaiticus) is virtually identical to the account in the Ethiopian NT. Mary went to the tomb, an angel told her that Christ had risen... THE END. The witnesses were added into later versions.. KJV. Then, Mary and the disciples were the only witnesses, AND none of them even recognized "Jesus"... he manifested in a different form. (Mark 16:12). Matthew was written two decades after Mark... Matthew 28:17 when they (11 disciples), they worshipped him: but some doubted. (Mary doesn't see Jesus, in the book of Matthew, just the 11 disciples). Luke was the next gospel after Matthew, then John. The accounts get embellished, as time goes by. Jesus eats ("proof" he physically resurrected, and the disciples didn't see a ghost/spirit), (doubting) Thomas touches his wounds (the gaslighting of the non believers). Paul goes on to say there were 500 witnesses. The resurrection is the foundation of Paul's religion, literally. I Corinthians 15:12-15 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; And if Christ not be raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised the Christ. 15:19 If for this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. Christians are followers of Paul and his gospel. Paul never met Jesus, unless you take his word for his encounters. Paul openly murdered the followers of Christ. He had very little association with the apostles or their teachings. In his own words. Galatians 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, the gospel that was preached by me, that is not according to man; 1:12 for NEITHER RECEIVED I IT FROM MAN, NOR WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION OF CHRIST. Romans 3:7 for if the truth of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner? 2 Corinthians 12:16... I am crafty, and caught you all by trickery Acts 12:23 and behold the hand of the LORD is upon thee, and thou SHALT BE BLIND, not seeing the sun for a season. (Jesus, healed the blind, love your enemies, turn the other cheek. Matthew 7:18-19 beware of false prophets... YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. 24:45 For many will come in my name, saying "I am the messiah" and they will lead many astray. 24:23-26 if ANYONE says to you "look, here is the Messiah"... DO NOT BELIEVE IT.... For false Messiahs and false prophets will appear, producing great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the very elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So if they say to you "look here, he is in the wilderness" do not go out. If they say "look, he is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. John 16:10 I go to my father, and ye see me NO MORE. 16:28 I leave the world, and go to the father. 17:4 I have finished the work, which thou gavest me to do. 14:19 a little while, and the world seeth me NO MORE 18:36 My kingdom is not of this world 14:2 I go to prepare a place for you) Acts 9:3 suddenly there shined... a light from heaven 9:5 I am Jesus, whom thou prosecutest 9:9 and he was three days without sight. Acts 23:11 the LORD stood by him and said "Be of good cheer, Paul: as thou hast testified of me... And if you beLIEve Paul's encounter with Jesus, you have to subscribe to 'Jesus' causing Paul to go blind... the guy who healed blind people, and taught people to love their enemies, and turn the other cheek. Acts 20:9 and a young man... who sat in a window... as Paul discoursed...fell down from the third story, and was taken up dead🤔 20:10 but Paul went down, and fell upon him and embracing him said: be not troubled; for his life is in him. 20:12 and they brought the young man alive.(WOW, a convenient "accidental" death, and resurrection "miracle" at the hands of Paul) (Ye shall know them by their fruit) Acts 18:12-18 Paul's false teachings get questioned in a Synagogue, the gentiles (Greek), that accompany Paul, beat up the head of the Synagogue. Acts 22:3... being a zealot for God, as all of you are this day, Acts 22:24 I persecuted this way even to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women Acts 20:26 I solemnly affirm to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all. 1 Corinthians 9:20 I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to those under law as under law, NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER LAW, that I might gain these under law. 9:21 to those without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain those without law. 9:22 to the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: TO ALL I BECAME ALL THINGS, THAT BY ALL MEANS, I might save some. 20:23 AND ALL THINGS I DO FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL. Romans 3:7 for if the "truth" of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged a sinner? 2 Corinthians 12:16 NEVERTHELESS, I AM CRAFTY, AND CAUGHT YOU ALL BY TRICKERY. The guy is admittedly a murderer, liar, deceiver, telling people what they want to hear, causing harm to others, clean of the blood of any wrong doing, while preaching to everyone that are going to reap what they sow. Claiming his gospel is inspired by God, and not by those who were personally with Christ on a daily basis. PAUL'S GOSPEL CANNIBALISM FOR IMMORTALITY John 6:53 Jesus said.. Except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day. 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. CHILD SACRIFICE FOR IMMORTALITY John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of the blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness. JESUS S(L)AVES I Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh I Timothy 6:1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name, and our teaching may not be slandered. Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything... Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart...
@@kathy1154 That's a hodge-podge, very inconsistent. Sometimes you treat the NT texts as unproblematic history, sometimes you treat the texts critically. You're firstly critiquing the text when it helps to attack Paul. Then you take these same NT texts as historical fact when they can be used to attack Paul. You're acting like a Christian apologist, but for your own pet doctrine. You say if we accept Paul's vision we have to accept the Acts version of events too. No we don't. The Acts accounts contradict Paul's own personal account. And stop slandering the Jews; your "critique" preserves the worst of Christian sectarianism and Jew-baiting. Begone.
When I first realized this I was very afraid. But it's not actually even bad news. All you have to do is go back to Jesus, not Paul. Be merciful to those who doubt Jude 1:25 😊
@@williamacuff7707If you saw a chicken or goat being sacrificed to a statue of Satan, would you eat it? I would not, even though Paul says it's ok. Peter and John say it's bad to do that.
Dr. Tabor, you've nailed it almost perfectly! However I think Christianity only goes back as far as Paul. What preceded him in Jerusalem and among the Jews was Nazorean Judaism led by James, Peter, and John. After all, we read in Acts 11:26, after Paul had been preaching his gospel for a month, that the townies of Antioch started calling the assembly of disciples "Christians" for the first time (except in the earliest Greek manuscripts it reads "Chréstianos").
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Jesus did not float up into the sky. Christianity arrived in Britain in the last year of Tiberius, brought by Joseph of Arimathea and his family so, Christ must have been with them. Paul visited Britain. The remains of a church dated to the 1st century are still discernible in South Wales: named for St Peter (founder). Monarch of Britain at that time was Bran ‘the Blessed’. The principle language of the Britons two thousand years ago was Cymraeg (Welsh) - ancient Assyrian speech. YMA O HYD ! … and - William Blake knew this history: he also knew that there was no such place as ‘England’ back then.
@@megw7312 "Jesus did not float up into the sky." - Right. "Christianity arrived in Britain in the last year of Tiberius, brought by Joseph of Arimathea and his family" - Nope. It did not. "Christ must have been with them." - Nope. "Paul visited Britain." - Nope. "The remains of a church dated to the 1st century are still discernible in South Wales: named for St Peter (founder)." - No, this does not exist. There IS a ruined MEDIEVAL church which has been given this name, but it is not 1st Century. "The principle language of the Britons two thousand years ago was the Brythonic language which gave rise to Welsh, Cornish, Bretton. Manx - it is nothing to do with Assyrian. "William Blake knew this history: he also knew that there was no such place as ‘England’ back then." - Blake had a vivid imagination and also believed he had been given his plate-printing process by an angel. So . . . nothing to be taken too literally. England is a country named after the Angles and the idea of England was born in the 7th Century.
Where, in the Bible, are witness testimonies that Jesus floated up into the sky? Historical records say: Joseph of Arimathea brought Christianity to Britain in the last year of Tiberius. The monarch, Bran (‘The Blessed’) ‘embraced’ Christianity. Anna of Arimathea married into the royalty of Britain, Christianity was taken to Rome by the family of Bran when his son, Caradoc, a.k.a, Caractacus, was betrayed by Cartimandua Queen of the Brigantes. Bran and other members of his family eventually joined Caradoc in Rome. Timothy 2 : 4 : 21. Linus, son of Caradoc, became 1st bishop of Rome. ‘Claudia’ took this name on her adoption by Claudius and marriage to Rufus Pudens. She was natural daughter of Caradoc, Eurgain - known to the Britons by her title Gwladys (top countrywoman). It is not clear what language Caradoc used to make his speech in Rome but it is known that he could speak Latin and Greek as well as his own language, Cymraeg. He would not have spoken in English as England did not exist two thousand years ago.
...playing 'The Gadfly', Why should we accept that Paul (nee; Saul of Tarsus) would have been able to Recognize the Jesus whom Paul NEVER Met in Life -- and whose life was Ended several (4- to 7) YEARS Prior to the "Pharisee of Pharisees" vaunted "Road to Damascus" experience ? It's not like he'd have had access to- (or kept) a "WANTED -- DEAD or ALIVE" poster for the capture of Jesus bar Joseph -- with a reliable 'head-shot' of the 'Outlaw'...or got to listen to recordings of his Sermons to familiarize himself with the itinerant preacher's voice- or speech mannerisms. Indeed, of all the 'Church Founders, I would regard Paul's "Vision/Hallucination" claims to be the LEAST-Reliable -- for he would have No'Eye'-/'Ear-Witness Basis for 'validating' the Bonafides of the entity he'd perportedly met aloft... I mean, Jesus H. Christ...it coulda been SATAN in Shape-Shifter mode -- or the Spirit of one of the other ancient "Dud Meshichim"(*) sufferers of "Jerusalem Syndrome"..! (*) I hope I got the tense- & form correct.
Nathanael saw the dream of Jacob (dioskuroi, the ascending and descending angel) what equals having a Vision being on the road like Jacob. Nathan ben Nathan (zacharias barachai) was then promised ; he would see greater things then these (these are both his sons the boanerges, the 2 sons of Zebedee), the greater 'thing' is his grandson ; Chrestos .
Wow. This is an amazing video Dr Tabor. Bringing so much together thank you and I think makes a LOT of sense. Thank you so much for all the videos you post for free. So helpful for those of us trying to exit dogma and fundamentalism.... and also now hooked on this very cold case! Your being able to see where Paul getting his theology from in the Hebrew Bible so helpful. I would very much like to dissect Mark more and plan to do your course
And what makes you think your eyes are trustworthy? And why's the veracity of Paul's Apostleship coming under attack? Because TRUTH is under all-out attack...... As an "awakened" new ager I dissed Paul (once or twice) thinking I knew better, but now I'm BORN AGAIN I see better..... I SEE he was full of the same *Spirit* filling me. And that's ALL I need to know about Paul: that he was anointed by *Holy Spirit* (which testified of Jesus through him). Paul was appointed by *Jesus Himself* and HE don't make mistakes.
I've read where Peter, James and John claimed that Paul was wrong in his preaching, and at one of the times Paul came back to Jerusalem, they made Paul take a Nazirite Vow, and admit his preaching was wrong. In a few of Paul's letters (I cannot recall which ones) he references those who were causing "his" churches to not follow his preaching. Not by name, though; "they mean nothing to me." Paul got a bit "hacked off" about this. I have no solid basis for this, but I think the "pillars" of the Jerusalem church was the thorn in his flesh. I would think with "his" churches "unfollowing" him would be seen as a thorn in his flesh. Or in more current vernacular, a pain in the ass.
@@miryamnae2164 you are against Paul because you are against his message. Peter, John and the disciples are preaching the same message although Paul understood the Jewish scriptures better then most having been a Pharisee and well studied
@@JakeLeidahl Paul's expertise on Judaism is independent from the fact that he and his created religion are false. He simply, and falsely inserted Jesus into the Mosiach/son of God role, in order to create a new religion. The Muratorian Canon Fragment I "Luke... when Paul had taken with him as one zealous for the law, composed it in his own name, according to belief. Yet he himself had not seen the LORD in the flesh; and therefore, as he was able to ascertain events" "The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples. To his fellow disciples and overseers, who had been urging him [to write]." The Jews essentially did what they always did, kill someone for not following commandments. End of story. Beyond that, it's all fiction. All made up by Paul. Paul authored the majority of the NT, trying to convince people that Jesus was the Mosiach, and the Jews somehow got it wrong. The Jews got it right. Mark was the first Gospel written... 40 years after the death of Jesus. The original account in Mark (Codex Sinaiticus) is virtually identical to the account in the Ethiopian NT. Mary went to the tomb, an angel told her that Christ had risen... THE END. The witnesses were added into later versions.. KJV. Then, Mary and the disciples were the only witnesses, AND none of them even recognized "Jesus"... he manifested in a different form. (Mark 16:12). Matthew was written two decades after Mark... Matthew 28:17 when they (11 disciples), they worshipped him: but some doubted. (Mary doesn't see Jesus, in the book of Matthew, just the 11 disciples). Luke was the next gospel after Matthew, then John. The accounts get embellished, as time goes by. Jesus eats ("proof" he physically resurrected, and the disciples didn't see a ghost/spirit), (doubting) Thomas touches his wounds (the gaslighting of the non believers). Paul goes on to say there were 500 witnesses. The resurrection is the foundation of Paul's religion, literally. I Corinthians 15:12-15 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; And if Christ not be raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised the Christ. 15:19 If for this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. Christians are followers of Paul and his gospel. Paul never met Jesus, unless you take his word for his encounters. Paul openly murdered the followers of Christ. He had very little association with the apostles or their teachings. In his own words. Galatians 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, the gospel that was preached by me, that is not according to man; 1:12 for NEITHER RECEIVED I IT FROM MAN, NOR WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION OF CHRIST. Romans 3:7 for if the truth of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner? 2 Corinthians 12:16... I am crafty, and caught you all by trickery Acts 12:23 and behold the hand of the LORD is upon thee, and thou SHALT BE BLIND, not seeing the sun for a season. (Jesus, healed the blind, love your enemies, turn the other cheek. Matthew 7:18-19 beware of false prophets... YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. 24:45 For many will come in my name, saying "I am the messiah" and they will lead many astray. 24:23-26 if ANYONE says to you "look, here is the Messiah"... DO NOT BELIEVE IT.... For false Messiahs and false prophets will appear, producing great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the very elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So if they say to you "look here, he is in the wilderness" do not go out. If they say "look, he is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. John 16:10 I go to my father, and ye see me NO MORE. 16:28 I leave the world, and go to the father. 17:4 I have finished the work, which thou gavest me to do. 14:19 a little while, and the world seeth me NO MORE 18:36 My kingdom is not of this world 14:2 I go to prepare a place for you) Acts 9:3 suddenly there shined... a light from heaven 9:5 I am Jesus, whom thou prosecutest 9:9 and he was three days without sight. Acts 23:11 the LORD stood by him and said "Be of good cheer, Paul: as thou hast testified of me... And if you beLIEve Paul's encounter with Jesus, you have to subscribe to 'Jesus' causing Paul to go blind... the guy who healed blind people, and taught people to love their enemies, and turn the other cheek. Acts 20:9 and a young man... who sat in a window... as Paul discoursed...fell down from the third story, and was taken up dead🤔 20:10 but Paul went down, and fell upon him and embracing him said: be not troubled; for his life is in him. 20:12 and they brought the young man alive.(WOW, a convenient "accidental" death, and resurrection "miracle" at the hands of Paul) (Ye shall know them by their fruit) Acts 18:12-18 Paul's false teachings get questioned in a Synagogue, the gentiles (Greek), that accompany Paul, beat up the head of the Synagogue. Acts 22:3... being a zealot for God, as all of you are this day, Acts 22:24 I persecuted this way even to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women Acts 20:26 I solemnly affirm to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all. 1 Corinthians 9:20 I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to those under law as under law, NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER LAW, that I might gain these under law. 9:21 to those without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain those without law. 9:22 to the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: TO ALL I BECAME ALL THINGS, THAT BY ALL MEANS, I might save some. 20:23 AND ALL THINGS I DO FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL. Romans 3:7 for if the "truth" of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged a sinner? 2 Corinthians 12:16 NEVERTHELESS, I AM CRAFTY, AND CAUGHT YOU ALL BY TRICKERY. The guy is admittedly a murderer, liar, deceiver, telling people what they want to hear, causing harm to others, clean of the blood of any wrong doing, while preaching to everyone that are going to reap what they sow. Claiming his gospel is inspired by God, and not by those who were personally with Christ on a daily basis. PAUL'S GOSPEL CANNIBALISM FOR IMMORTALITY John 6:53 Jesus said.. Except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day. 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. CHILD SACRIFICE FOR IMMORTALITY John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of the blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness. JESUS S(L)AVES I Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh I Timothy 6:1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name, and our teaching may not be slandered. Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything... Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart...
@@kathy1154 there are so many false statements in the book you just wrote to me and much of it is copied word for word from Ehrman. I'll correct you on a few things but won't get to every mistake. We can date that Paul was in Jerusalem and converted by 36 AD. Scholars agree on this based on contextual evidence in Acts. Creeds existed before Paul was converted. That's immediate high Christology.....the disciples proclaiming Jesus as deity and risen.....and other witnesses. The muratorian canon is a testimony to the early church recognizing 22 of the 27 books......you have all the gospels and Peter proclaiming Christ. It didn't prove any point except what we know that Luke was investigating and talking to eye witnesses. All the gospels were written before 70 AD in the life time of the disciples. Mark could be as early as 40-55 AD and he was likely writing for Peter who died around 64 AD. Throughout Mark it has high Christology and professed Jesus as God (even if skeptics try to argue this). Mark ends with the resurrection of a Jesus and ppl seeing Jesus alive......you are not proving your point. Yes the Bible tells us why the 2 men on the road to Emmaus didn't recognize our Lord and Savior. You falsely claim and lyingly claim that Paul is the only person preaching the resurrection of Jesus. THEY ALL WERE! Peter refers to Paul as a wise and beloved brother. As you should know Paul was among the strictest of Pharisees studying under Gamaliel.......he agreed with killing Christians. You lied when you said that Paul killed Christians as their is no verse that says that.....but Paul stood by while Stephen was stoned for saying Jesus is Lord. And Paul persecuted Christians for about 2-3 years until as he says he met Jesus on the road to Damascus (and others witnessed it) Christianity took off as Jesus did rise from the dead and is Lord. Paul was a faithful servant of the King And yes the same man that healed the blind got Paul's attention by blinding the Pharisee. You are more blind then he was
He s a modern liberal Bible critic, people like him have been knocking Scripture it the last 2000 years, Tabor makes wild claims. God s Word is forever settled in Heaven. tabor will stand before Christ one day.
Do you think it just coincidence that Constantine supposedly had the same experience as Saul did on the road to Damascus? Pail admits that he was a Roman, and there are some who say he killed James. (Stephen) He seemed to be at home when he spent over 2 years with Felix.
@sandyaaron9624 Wandering into myths instead of sticking to what is written would only affirm Paul's writings (2 Timothy 4:1-4). If he was at home with the Romans, then why did they kill him?
@@johnmann8659 Read Psalm 34-21 Then there's this: Acts 22:27-29 New International Version 27 The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?” “Yes, I am,” he answered. 28 Then the commander said, “I had to pay a lot of money for my citizenship.” “But I was born a citizen,” Paul replied. 29 Those who were about to interrogate him withdrew immediately. The commander himself was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains.
@@johnmann8659 Paul was in constant conflict with James who was head of the church in Jerusalem, and the brother of Jesus. Paul was a Roman infiltrator of "The Way". Watch this video on this channel from a month ago: "Robert Eisenman & the Dead Sea Scrolls: Best Interview Ever!"
So, you think the antichrist appeared to Paul and the result was that Paul turned from his persecution of Christians to spread the Gospel throughout the countries he visited, converting pagan Gentiles to believers in Christ - all while suffering imprisonment, indescribable torture, and eventual martyrdom? Right ... of course ... everything Paul did pointed people to Christ, but, you know, it was actually the antichrist. That makes so much more sense.
It is possible, with all respect to Paul, that his Christianity is a horrific distortion of Jesus. It seems, at times, that Paul was the one who crucified Jesus when he gave us ‘his gospel.’
This is an vitally important issue: why's the veracity of Paul's Apostleship coming under attack? Because TRUTH is under *all-out attack.* As an "awakened" new ager I dissed Paul (once or twice) thinking I knew better, but now I'm BORN AGAIN (John 3) I see better..... I SEE he was full of the same *Spirit* filling me. And that's ALL I NEED TO KNOW about Paul: that he was ANOINTED by *Holy Spirit* (which testified of Jesus through him). You need to *Rightly Divide* the completed *Word of truth* mate, not usurp it. Jesus came for and preached to *Israel;* Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles (us) appointed by *Jesus Himself* - and HE don't make mistakes. Seriously, we live in a *fallen world* full of deception: to insult Paul is to insult *Holy Spirit* which, Jesus says, is tantamount to the *unpardonable sin.*
21:00 when this individual is apparently spoken of, I would like to parallel to Galatians 3, specifically 3:16 and 3:29 where he says: 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”meaning one person, who is Christ. 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Also, to tie it together Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;
We need to really start listening to these scholars and hear and read about what they say? what does Dr. Tabor think about Bart Ehrmann's books and teachings? Especially "misquoting Jesus" and other books?
Paul was a Roman agent and false apostle (as noted in Revelation, that contradicted John, Jesus, James, and Peter. He infiltrated the true ekkelsia with the pagan ideas of Rome which made their way into the gospels which were written by unknown authors after 70 ad.
@williamacuff7707 2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who was taken up to the third heaven fourteen years ago. I do not know whether the man was in his body or "OUT" of his body, but God knows. Having had plenty of oobes during this well-aged life, including some extraordinary ones at that, I can personally attest that it was OUT! It was Paul's etheric body, astral body, spiritual body, pneuma , whatever your semantics, whatever you want to call it. Regardless, it's the REAL you, the real me, the real Paul, the real EVERYONE. The earthly body is not. It's an illusion, here today, gone tomorrow, and it's impossible for it to enter, OR SEE, into the HIGHER densities in which there are MANY mansions. Paul's physical body remained on this Earth during the experiences he described. His spirit did not. Likewise with visions, you are not seeing with your physical eyes. You are looking THROUGH them with the inner eye, THE SINGLE EYE... you know, that very one if dark perceives GREAT DARKNESS. I've seen light brother, and it is BEAUTIFUL.
The Books of the Bible rearranges the NT books, and I found that very enlightening. However, the idea is that Paul acquired his gospel from Jesus independently of the 12 and later on went to the others who verified that he was preaching the same thing. Their gospels were probably somewhat influenced by hearing his version, but they already had the same gospel anyway.
James, this is so good I have just listened twice. And might listen again!A lot in a concise way thank you! When do you think you might do the Mark course again with live Q&A?? And I am definitely looking forward to the Paul course. I wonder if you would consider doing discussions of these issues with John Dominic Crossan? Id love to hear you both in dialogue. So grateful for all your knowledge and you using your retirement in this way to share it further! Warm greetings from the UK
Paul required his followers to give Paul all their money... The story of "god" striking followers dead is pretty horrifying... it is in Paul's writing Acts 5:3. Paul wants power, like many modern day Gurus.
Paul did not write Acts. An associate of his, yes, but not Paul himself. As to Paul wanting power, of course he did, being human; that is our central impulse and driving force...
I would call it severe Eisegesis - which ironically rhymes with "I SEE JESUS" - which is what Paul puts you under a spell to do when reading Tanakh. That select individual that Isaiah was talking about was Jeremiah and Ezekiel. Ezekiel plainly tells us in chapter 4 how he "bore" the iniquity of Israel and Judah. Jeremiah 11:19 explicitly states he is the lamb led to the slaughter and "cut off" from the land of the living. Hebraically this isn't about death, it is about having no children. This is why in Is 53:10 it says he will see his children/seed.
If Paul could use Isaiah to formulate suffering servant theology, why could the historical Jesus not done the same? It appears that the teacher of righteousness frequently used scripture to explain his mission 100 yrs before Jesus. If Jesus used scripture to explain his mission and John the Baptizer before him, it would appear that Jesus and Paul both used Isaiah to explain the movement whether it was handed down from the Jerusalem church or not.
Could you explain Isaiah 53? Jesus wasn't using Isaiah .......Jesus gave Isaiah the message to write and Jesus predates Isaiah and all of us. As Jesus said "before Abraham, I AM" meaning Jesus is God and Jesus is the Lord of the Angel in the OT. I understand your comment that if Paul was lying how can this nonsensical professor not just claim Jesus was lying. Obviously I believe Jesus is the truth
One consideration among many, is the fact that Paul suffered greatly for many years to carry and to evangelize; why do this for something that ‘didn’t hold water’ as they say?
The evident answer to that (assuming of course that Paul did indeed suffer and end up being martyred) is that, whether or not Paul had an actual vision of the risen Jesus, Paul BELIEVED he did. You're quite right that the whole trajectory of Paul's later life makes zero sense otherwise (again assuming it's accurately recorded).
We should think of Luke's Gospel as being the Gospel of Paul (with additions that Luke took from the other Gospels - Mark and Q). We know from Acts, the second part of Luke's Gospel, that from Chapter 20 onwards Luke was travelling with Paul. What is significant about Luke's Gospel is that he repeatedly uses interactions with Pharisees to introduce teaching points by Jesus and in Acts 4:34-39 it is the Pharisee Gamaliel, Paul's teacher, who tells the Council not to persecute the apostles; this is before Paul even arrives on the scene in Acts 8. The belief in the resurrection of the dead was characteristic of Pharisees but not Saducees, so it is hardly surprising that Paul preached it. Unlike in Matthew's Gospel where John the Baptist links the Pharisees with the Saducees (3:7) as a 'brood of vipers', and they conspire against Jesus (e.g. 12:14) the most critical statement in Luke about the Pharisees is the reference to the "yeast of the Pharisees" (12:1). Luke's corresponding Gospel passage about John the Baptist (3:7) has just the crowds from Jerusalem being given the epithet 'brood of vipers'. This omission is important and, although Paul is usually represented as the apostle to the Gentiles, is an indication that he was also acting as an apostle to the Pharisees outside of Palestine. This explains the number of times his teaching in synagogues is mentioned.
The Truth isn't for everyone. If you're caught by guile and follow falsehood, it's not for you. I'm absolutely solidly convinced that if you don't know the Truth, you cannot make good decisions. Everything becomes situational ethics. That doesn't work for the long term. Peace....
Dear dr. Tabor.. I was wondering what you think of the around 230 AD Megiddo mosaic which says ‘to God Jesus Christ’. I’m really interested in your opinion on this.
Maybe Paul knew that there was a group of God fearing gentiles who already believed in YHWH and the coming Messiah and basically was like if he's the Messiah then we know a lot about what he's coming to do and knew all the old prophecies and went to the those God fearing gentiles (syblists) and preempted the religion.
Does anyone else suspect that the so-called love chapter in First Corinthians was copied, not written, by Paul? Sort of like the the divine emptying hymn in Philippians. Are there any linguistic clues that point to a pre-existing hymn to love as there are for a pre-existing divine emptying hymn?
The reason I’m not convinced that 1 Corinthians 15 refers to a vision is as follows: - It refers to an order of events: first Cephas saw Christ, then the twelve, then the 500 etc. - This would be very easy to confirm, or, more importantly, _disconfirm_ if Paul happened to be wrong. So if Paul was consciously making it up, he risks ridicule when the ‘real story’ comes out. - If it came to Paul purely as a vision, it would be a remarkable coincidence if the vision just happened to match what actually happened, or was thought to have happened. - If Paul already knew the party line, and claimed to have had a vision about it, that would make perfect sense - but Paul would not be the origin of the information. - If Paul meant 'received' as something akin to ‘was taught’ (or, as I think, 'was told and accepted as true'), that would also make perfect sense. Paul was human, and therefore probably not 100% consistent. What he meant by ‘received’ is likely to change both for reasons of convenience, and because some years had passed between Galatians and 1st Corinthians.
Considering that I've never heard anybody ever claim that Paul got his gospel from the other apostles, this "icing on the cake" podcast seems to be refuting an argument nobody's making.
It's so fascinating! The way Mark 1) mocks the disciples for being so clueless and 2) stresses, at the end that they did not tell anyone (which is why Paul had it all from his revelation).
Jesus said you must be born again (John 3:3). Peter said you must be born again (1 Peter 1:22,23). Paul said you must be born again (Romans 8:9). Sounds like the same gospel to me. Ezekiel prophesied about it in Ezekiel 36:25-27. Have you been born again? I have, it's great.
Of course, you assume that you know what Jesus meant by being born again. But your interpretation has been shaped by Paul’s gospel. However, that is not Jesus gospel and, therefore, not what Jesus meant by the term.
great presentation and so clearly you've accomplished massive scholarship on this topic... amazing! But I have a huge question: e.g. at 22:24 where you say the substitutionary death concept/dynamic/ came not from Jesus but from Paul. i guess my question ranges between didn't it all come from God and Christ and the Holy Spirit, in that we are speaking here of that which all the heroes of faith of the Hebrew Scriptures as outlined and emphasized in Hebrews 11, were longing toward, longing for, something God (and thus Christ) knew very well, as they had orchestrated this all from the beginning, no? i feel like I am perhaps missing some level of meaning you are referencing, some large dynamic? If you're saying that, oh yes, of course everything comes from God and Christ and is prophesied in the Tanakh, but whose "mouth" did this substitutionary death concept come out of? But, I'm clearly missing something because not only a huge mass of the Hebrew Scriptures, and all the laws of sacrifice of blameless lambs and goats, specified as dying for the sins of the people like in the Day of Atonement, all are presenting the concept over and over of the substitutionary death, no? And then Jesus would say stuff like....even as Moses lifted up the Serpent that all who looked at it would not perish but live... in his famous conversation with Nicodemus. Forgive my redundancy... and probably if i'd have been following your teaching or books more (i've really only listened to you in one or two at the most youtube presentations over the decades) i would not be asking my, therefore stupid at worst, and redundant at best, questions? Again, thanks for your amazing work on these deep things of Scripture!!!
Historical Context of Paul's Revelations: How do we reconcile the claim that Paul's gospel came directly from revelations with the historical context in which he was writing? Could cultural, religious, and societal influences of the time have shaped his revelations? Comparison with Contemporary Jewish Thought: In what ways does Paul's interpretation of the suffering servant in Isaiah align or diverge from contemporary Jewish thought? How might differing interpretations affect our understanding of Paul's gospel? Authenticity of Paul's Claims: Given the absence of corroborating accounts, how can we assess the authenticity of Paul's claims of direct revelation from Jesus? What methodologies can historians or theologians use to validate such claims?
“Cut off out of the land of the living,” 16:30 Isaiah 53:8 Seems more likely that is hyperbole for the Assyrian conquest in which the people from the northern kingdom were taken away or fled to the south or hid out. In 53:10 the Suffering Servant is alive again without a resurrection.
It has to be Pauline Christianity, if Acts and other epistles say that Paul successfully rebuked and changed the way Peter and James understood the teachings of Jesus and how to be saved [ e.g. Don't have to be circumcised, can eat all foods now , don't have to obey Temple Law ].
Have you a done a video yet about who really created the be-attitudes? Because I still find those a bit genius and I would like to know who came up with them. I don't (currently) accept that they come from a Jesus.
Knowing that there was a historical record (mostly hidden from most Christians) of a disagreement between the early followers of Jesus (the original 12 disciples) and Paul (Saul) over what was actually the "good news" or what "gospel" was true, Paul's or Jesus (as reflected in Bible texts) makes you question the idea that the Bible is harmonious. Can't be so if two different Gospels are being taught.
Revelation 22:14 King James Version 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Your video was forearded to me because they knew i was critically reading and "fact checking" Paul and testing his references to the scriptures from the tanakh. What I have found is that not one time in Romans, Pauls last letter, was Paul correct in context or application regarding the passages he uses to develop his own gospel. He did not interpret one tanakh scripture correctly, and in most case, even misquotes it. Your work here is very confirming to me that as lovers of God, we MUST search Him out, especially when a false teacher like Paul convinces many of his gospel. Paul, I believe is the first of many of the false teachers Yeshua warned about.
Honestly, I think that’s the elephant in the room that many (Christians and some secular scholars) overlook about Paul. He’s CLEARLY a MYSTIC! Paul’s interpretations of the Hebrew Scriptures are from a mystical or celestial perspective and applies those archetypes onto Jesus.
" what is to be of his followers who synagogue on Shabbat & congregate the first day of the week to eat the flesh & drink the blood of their GOD. Those cannibals" joke perpetuated against Gsus followers by the first generation deniers
@jasontaylor657 It is the big elephant in the room that many don't want to bring up because the gnostics understood paul the best, and the ebonites understood The 12 Apostles the best.
Paul being follower of GIMMELL and studied in more depth than most common Israeli men. All boys studied for their bar mitzvah. Most understood the Tenach and only needed a few words to see what the words SCRIPTURES used by Jesus was referring too. You can see how confused they still were even then. If several of the disciple followed John they may have more essence teachings. I think Paul was very equipped to get revelations that Pharisees and Sadducees were blind to because of the doctrinal traditions they were entangled with. Faith was important attribute to Noah and Abraham. It is critical.
This is beautiful. It makes sense that it is only in retrospect that one can fully appreciate the full value of an experience. Paul ,a credited scholar, was indeed the last and completing puzzle piece in the presentation of God’s revelation to the world; a revelation the former disciples couldn’t fully grasp while Jesus was with them. Long live Jesus Christ!
So, it began with Paul feeling inspired to write about the Jesus phenomenon, and Mark and the others were compelled to add their points of view? Or were the gospels amended and edited later to correlate?
Wow - still beguiled by Paul... sad. Ezekiel 18. Ezekiel 18. Ezekiel 18. No righteousness or evil will be cross transferred among mankind - each is responsible to God for themselves.... God did not teach human sacrifice. Isaiah is altered.
@@williamacuff7707 Isaiah 53 says he redeemed them via his wisdom - the knowledge he gave us - not his blood. Check out the variations - I just noted them, and I did not make them up.
Dr. Tabor estelar presentation, only touched softly on the surface of mystical life of Paul who, as it has been suggested by many authors, that Paul was an adept and practitioner of MERKABAH Mysticism.
@@BarbaraDiederich-ut8zg Aramaic/hebrew kanah translates as Zeal, Horn, Elk, Elph-bone, Ivory (elkanites = ebionites). Elkanah, the Lord of the Horn (teacher of rightiousness) overlaps with Robin Hood (magic horn), Pied Piper (magic flute), Conan the barbarian (cone = horn), Cappa, cap, hood, hat = lid cover. Canna = container, jar, vessel; the groom of Cana is Paul = Drusus germanicus II = Cornelius the shiny Unicorn, the twin-father (Twin = Calf, 2 horns or tusks). It helps when you're familiar with the huqoq-elephant-mosaic what gives a clear oversight. Anyway it all overlaps : Sandokan, mithras, helios, elias = Paul = Zebedee = Ophiuchus = Santiago = James the Just. Possible ; supposed overlap with Merkabah ? Idk, how ?
Just searched Merkabah : the 6 pointed star of David : overlap with the 6 empty jars (nicolaitans = claudians), 2 triangles overlap with the Twin (ascending and descending angel) ; I'm convinced this is conform the ideologistics of the NT.
Last night's Final Jeopardy question was about a Shakespeare play and a letter of Paul. I wonder if Dr Tabor would have had the right answer (in the form of a question, of course).
Paul says the law is nailed to the cross and been abolished. He says he as a Jew doesn’t need to follow it. He can pretend to be gentle or Jew. Under the law or not, to convert. Let God deal with him. I will follow the teachings of Jesus. Anyone like to join me?
Paul feels like a hard philosophical work, his own growth and understandings, more of a questions and answers in advance, how Jesus can be God of Gentiles as well, what is universal to all blood
8:40 The 'bread and wine', 'broken body', 'sacrificial blood', and ritual meal are symbols straight out of Mithraism. Paul was from Tarsus, a main center of Mithraism, which was common in all of Asia at the time. I'm not familiar with many ancient religions, but would suspect they were incorporate in other belief systems as well. Why these symbols specifically? Was it due to their remote similarity to the Jewish customary passover meal and animal sacrifices, or the other way around? Was this an attempt to create a bridge to the mysteries Yeshua taught the disciples and followers (similar to Essene beliefs in some ways)? I understand that many scholars believe also that we're dealing with "Yahwehism", as it was common in the very ancient world to see symbols and beliefs relating to this god. The OT was originally, according to Paul Wallis and Mauro Biglino, a book of the competitions between various 'powerful ones' (elohim). Evidence of this was suppressed with an injection of the term "Yahweh" over the words denoting the various, I believe many times vastly different 'gods' featured in the stories. Stories which were also taken from far more ancient sources and woven into the text to create the beautiful 'wisdom stories' and legends which illustrate spiritual concepts. This was how the monotheistic "Yahweh" (not christianity) religion began.
The book: Mark the Canonizer of Paul basically has this same theory. Written by Tom Dykstra. It seems like it should become the prevailing theory, it’s very convincing. Thanks Dr. Tabor.
Indeed. Paul saying that "Christ died for our sins" is inadvertent evidence that that the idea came from him. The Hebrew Bible or Old Testament, clearly states, "No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them."--Psalms 49:7 That, of course, is long before Paul, who ended up preaching the reverse; and it also fits with Mithraism, the pagan Persian cult, the Roman center for which was in his wealthy hometown of Tarsus. Paul also almost certainly borrowed the Mithraic, symbolic-cannibalistic rite of the Lord's Supper --a name which the early church fathers found so offensively pagan and mystical, they changed it to the Eucharist.
@mahlonmarr856 - Why are you saying that the "idea came from Paul" ? Jesus said, "This is my blood in the New Covenant which is shed for many, for the remission of sins". (Matthew 26:28). Psalm 49:7 is talking about "corrupt" human beings like you and me, a "sinner" cannot die for another "sinner". The Old Covenant says that the Passover Lamb had to be be SPOTLESS & WITHOUT BLEMISH. That is talking about "God in the flesh", Jesus, who is SINLESS and who is the LAMB OF GOD. Jesus also said, "even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28) So no. Paul didn't come up with that idea, it is as old as the Old Covenant is.
Paul is the false Apostle written of the in Revelation 2:2 His supposed meeting with Jesus on the road to Damascus, has three different versions of it and they are all different, he has no credibility ,and when he claims he physically saw Jesus on the road to Damascus, and also in a prison cell, that is directly contradictory to what Jesus said about his return, and Jesus specifically said if someone tells you that Christ is in the Wilderness or in a private room do not believe him . Paul admitted in his own writing step he was a liar, a thief, a hypocrite, and a murderer and that he was possessed by an Angel Of Satan and that's who he met on the road to Damascus and that's where he got his inspiration from
@onejohn2.26 The Apostle John was exiled to Patmos (Revelation 1:9) during the reign of Domitian (Acts of John the Theologian 1:55-65). That means Revelation was written circa 90 A.D. Paul died around 64-65 A.D. so Revelation 2:2 cannot be referencing Paul. Wandering into myths instead of sticking to what is written only affirms Paul's writings (2 Timothy 4:1-4). If Peter calls Paul beloved (2 Peter 3:15-17), that means those that oppose Paul are also at odds with Peter. If you are at odds with both Peter and Paul, you are also at odds with Jesus.
@@johnmann8659 So because John wrote about this false Apostle after Paul died, that means Paul can't be the false apostle? that makes no sense Further in Revelation 2 Christ told John, that he hates the Nicolaitans .... they taught what Paul taught . That second Peter verse is always thrown around and in my opinion, it proves nothing, because Peter had absolutely no use for Paul and vice versa. So, it was probably added to second Peter , and most Scholars don't believe that second Peter was written by Peter anyway . I would suggest you search YT for Paul, false Apostle and search the internet for Paul versus Jesus Because of Paul's word salad, 99.9% of christians, will not be saved
Man, i defintely disagree about Jude and Revelations. Those books warn about things Paul does not and Revelations goes contrary to A LOT of new testament teachings and smacks of old test doctrine, not new test. James is an epistle promoting Good Works theology.
There can be no doubt that Paul had his understanding of Christ, and that his perspective was such that he became the Apostle to the gentiles to a much greater degree than Peter. But it is confirmed in the writings that Christ's Apostles who knew Him on earth considered Paul a legitimate Apostle to Christ's message. Personally, I am much more concerned with the Gnostic teachings of Augustine which permeates current Christian theology. Everyone accepts Augustine's thoughts on original sin, Atonement, the nature of God, Mankind and Covenants. All Augustine's theology from my study of scripture are heresy. I am not saying everything written by Augustine is in error. Only his understanding of Christian basics.
Dr Tabor did James teach the same things in the same way Paul taught the Galatians or the Corinthians? I don’t think so. I say 2 completely different religions. What say you?
Evangelicals (I was one) have no good answer, for why 90% of Jesus’s teaching was about how to LIVE, while 90% of Paul’s teaching was about BELIEVING in Jesus’s death and resurrection, and NOT about that 90% that Jesus taught His disciples.
The answer is that Paul had lived with most of the communities he wrote to, and they had seen firsthand how the teaching was lived out. Paul did not need to reiterate all of Jesus' teachings on daily living, for that is what the Holy Spirit does individually for each disciple (and the gospels already did so). "Trust" is a more appropriate translation of "pisteuo" than "believe," for the Spiritual Life must be lived in continuous trust of the Lord rather than mere intellectual assent. Paul's letters explained the secrets of what God had done in Messiah Jesus, since Paul was more Scripturally erudite than any of the other apostles. What has been compiled in the New Testament is what is necessary for the establishment and edification of the communities, but the Holy Spirit leads each disciple/congregation into all the truth they are willing to receive. Be blessed.
@@emmanintz6448 That’s an interesting answer, but not a GOOD answer, as I said before. Jesus spent 90% of his time (as I said), teaching the nature of the Kingdom of God, and how to live in it; IOW, stuff to DO. Paul either ignores, or didn’t know about, all that Kingdom teaching, and anything concerned with works at all, of course.
Even his practical advice, such as Ephesians 5, doesn’t have the character of Jesus’s ethical teaching. It has a provisional, temporary quality, while Jesus preached the imminence of a new order, with new rules, so to speak, that would NEVER end. His ethics is by way of conforming one’s values and actions to this new reality, NOW, so one is ready when it comes, soon, and comes to stay.
However, your comment on trust vs. faith (the latter, as the assent to certain propositions ABOUT Christ), I DO appreciate, but for a different reason:
This error about “faith” is indeed the source of a HUGE problem with Biblical (vs. Catholic) faith, from the beginning. IMO, this is the cause of the endless schisms on the evangelical side, way before there were “Protestants”.
If I’m saved by believing the right doctrines, that’s still something I DO, and I can’t fellowship with you if your set of doctrines differ, because it’s a salvation issue. But if I despair of doing ANYTHING myself, whether working or assenting, to be saved, but REALLY trust only in Christ’s works, in an existential way, not just as one more doctrine, then your differing doctrines are no threat to me, if you have the same trust.
Perhaps I’m preaching to the choir in your case, but I’ve never met an evangelical at any level of authority who got what I just said, not really, not in a sort of red pill way, that I only saw myself, decades after leaving evangelicalism.
Thanks for your comment.
The new testament doesn't start until the book of Acts
You should be honest and find out how from the old to the new testament God signed his own unique mathematical proof and you can find more information from Dr Ivan Panin
I mean who spends their whole life following us around trying to say we have it wrong? Why don't you go to some other religion and tell them that. I mean who would study a religion and spend their whole life showing how wrong it is? I mean I would just go fishing
You're great, thanks for starting your channel and putting out so much content lately. I had the pleasure to meet you in 2008 in Israel when I was a student of Dr. Arav excavating at Bethsaida. I have never ceased studying this sort of material. You are a model to me of how to be a clear and patient thinker, and the fact that I can play these videos and hear your calm voice and well-considered presentations of things adds something very valuable to my life, so, just saying THANK YOU for the work that you do and making these videos for everyone.
What if Paul just realized that he couldn't destroy the Jesus movement from the outside, so he set out to destroy it from the inside?
I think that's a compelling theory and I've wondered about it a lot. But if that were true, he would have misled a lot of Jews to stop observing the Law. I'm not sure he would have been okay with that, but who knows. Regardless, it seems he had some kind of strange motive.
False!
And what if was successful to this day.
See the fruits of Paul today 2 billion + beleive in Jesus because God use him to reach all the none Jews.
replace Jesus movement with Roman empire
I have thought for a long time that most of what we all Christianity should really be called Paulianity.
I am certain that without Paul, Christianity would not have taken off in the Mediterranean region and would probably have been just a sect of the Jewish community.
@@christopherdaffron8115That was actually archived by the the Constantine, the Sun worshipping emperor.
Rastas believe that Paul is a usurper who’s role was to diminish and deter the church from following Peter, whom Christ refers to as “the Rock on whom I will build my church”
Maybe yah our heavenly father has allowed it to B the way it is and must show are selves approved perhaps searching praying fasting asking questions
Me too. Jesus didn't teach to believe in his resurrection. That's Paul.
Thank you so much for studying so hard and passing it along to me (us). Peace
Please do a lecture on the beliefs of the Jerusalem branch. In going to go read James now.
the claudian branch (nicolaitans), at the right-side of the Huqoq elephant mosaic.
Sharp observation!
The gospel of Jesus and of Peter were similar to each other but Paul's was different in a crucial way. Again, teaching from synoptics is confusing and misleading to potential converts who understand that they are different. Better is the "Roman road".
tT have his thesis taken seriously, Dr. Tabor needs to reference some peer scholars that have written published papers on the Gospel of Mark being couched in Pauline Christianity (i.e., illustrate that other scholars see credible linkage)
The problem is that it is only the Book of Acts that mentions Paul outside of Paul's own letters, so the author of Mark doesn't explicitly make any mention of Paul.
Everybody would have been looking to the Hebrew Bible to see if/how Yeshua was in some manner presaged in that body of scripture. And the suffering servant motif of Isaiah is a rather obvious place to go to to mine.
Consequently, it sits as speculation to make the inference that Mark based his theological take from Paul but for whatever reason was too embarrassed(?) to actually make mention of Paul(?)
@@edwardwalsh5477 how do you think Paul's gospel was different then Peters and Jesus's?
Paul had no gospel but was preaching by the Holy Spirit. It's all Jesus's
Where do you find in scripture, these assertions? I'll try to answer, nevertheless.
1) Gospel is neither Hebrew nor English but a transliteration from Greek. Often translated by the phrase, "good news" which is a general term. Thus, Gospel is just "good news" like when Peter was caught up from drowning when he prayed "lord Save me" and when the Hebrew children survived the fiery furnace etc. Very different content these two places but both "good news'. Also consider Noah's salvation (good news) by his following God's direction to build an ark. To know what the content of a gospel is, read the record. Paul's gospel begins to appear in Acts (13?) and continues minimally with I Cor. 15:1-4. This record is not the same as Peter's (gospel of the Kingdom). Read it in Acts 2 and up thru Acts 8. Simple.
2) Paul's preaching may have been Spirit driven but was actually the mission (good news) of the Lord Jesus for the world by Paul. Read about that in Acts also. Chapter 9, I think - his conversion included Jesus' plan for Paul - to go to the World and reach the ones not yet confronted by and offered the salvation by grace that was Paul's unique message to his unique mission field, the world.
The differences are critical; misunderstandings and misrepresentations have caused much confusion and grief within most Christian preaching and teaching. The "Great Commission" has been replaced by Jesus' words from heaven to Paul. Redeemed persons have been transformed by God's Holy Spirit and, according to Paul (Eph. 2:8-10), challenged to a mission of reconciliation (between men and between God and men), fulfilled by the Church; not by Kingdom living. That (Kingdom) offering by God was suspended after 3 years of Jesus' ministry plus 1 year of preaching by Peter et. al. the end of which is marked by the stoning to death of Stephen.
Trust yourself to read, study and (by God's Holy Spirit) understand these things because God took the trouble to inform you. Don't disappoint Him.@@JakeLeidahl
I watched both videos twice. It is so interesting. Thank you, Dr. Tabor.
I can listen all day to James talking about Paul.
Why?
Tabor is saying that Paul received his teaching from the apostles. Paul states that he did not receive it from man. Aren't the apostles men??
How can Tabor really make sense?
If Paul made up the teaching which Tabor claims influenced the writing of the four gospels did a Jewish temple really exist in the land of Canaan?
How can Tabor say that the Torah of the Jews is true and yet say that Paul is false?
@@allanwilliams2079 Paul made up his teachings about Jesus, thats the main point if its a matter of belief for you go a head and believe he received it from Heaven or whatever. The point is Paul teaching is his own it differs significantly from the apostles, and he admit it that he had arguments with them. It's up to you to believe the portrayal that Paul created for Jesus even though he never saw him or knew him. Or believe what we can know about the historical Jesus and what the apostles and his followers who knew him thought of him and his teachings there is no middling in this.
@@sheri1983
1983, an interesting year for me. I hope our exchange will prove interesting.
To gain some context though, so that I can give a hopeful right response to your comment, can you say Which source, or sources of information are you accepting as correctly reporting about the historical Jesus(as you label him), and what the apostles and people who knew him say of Him and his teaching?
Ex: all four gospels, the book of Acts...
I would like to know the source that you are using to make your argument so that I can use from the same source to respond.
Do not want us to be running on parallel lines. Would like us to be clear on what we are referring to.
@@allanwilliams2079 We know more from the alteration than the Apostles writings which we don't have. For Example you can see the earliest Gospel Mark on 10:18 (And many others!) where Jesus it talking in a language that's consistent with previous Israeli prophets. Mathew and other clearly didn't like that and alter it. Same alteration happened to Josephus writings on Jesus, when you remove those "additions" you get a better understanding of what people thought of Jesus in early Christianity and how it evolved. It was not a concrete understanding of him. This is why you have First Council of Nicaea 325 AD discussing the nature of Jesus 300 year later! if that doesn't give you a clue I don't what will. My advise broaden your horizon and read/watch more on the historical Jesus from Tabor, Vermes, Dale Allison, Ehrman. There are many questions also that comes to mind why the Gospels was written much later, Why we trust Paul who didn't see or Knew Jesus, Why Christianity is a much later idea than Jesus himself and it kept evolving, Why Gospels were written in Greek? A Language that Jesus and his followers didn't speak? and many other questions/
Peter is the leader of the apostles ,Jesus gave Peter the keys to the gates of Heaven not James , Peter got up and told the others , did not the Lord give me the authority , to preach to the Gentiles , when Peter was out on his boat ,did not Jesus ask Peter to come to him and Peter started walking on the water , Peter is mention 92 times in the Bible , James 17 times , the end .
Paul never met Jesus unless you want to believe the story on the road to Damascus
Explain , you do not?
Paul doesn't even tell the story about the Damascus road. That's found in Acts, not any letter from Paul.
1 co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptise but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect
@@Ibelievethegospel Germanicus never saw Nerones , but he met the swan-clan on his way ( huqoq elephant mosaic ; YT )
William Blake, ‘And did those feet…?’. Answer: Yes!
Joseph of Arimathea brought his family to Britain in the last year of Tiberius -36-37 a.d.
Where, in the Bible, are the witness testimonies that describe Jesus floating up into the sky?
Ergo, the Christ would have been with them. Paul did visit Britain and William Blake knew this history.
I'm very interested in your Paul course. Can't wait! Thanks for doing this.
Excelente, magnífico.!!!
Very good exposition, thank you for sharing with us.
I graduated from Rio Grande Bible Seminary 1982, then study in another school in Mexico City and also concentration in Bible at Taylor University but they never taught me what I've been learning through James Tabor and other historians and philologist in the last 4 years.
Your learning lies!
@williamacuff7707 Bill, you insert a comment in just about every thread with "false". You're not doing any good with that. With a couple of sentences, explain your position on this and have a dialog with people. Otherwise, be gone.
@@williamacuff7707 Got some evidence?
GREAT teaching! The feeling i have about paul is that he never followed Jesus or converted, but that he was stil doing the job he was hired for, which was to erase the teachings of the jesus movement from this planet.
Persecution did not work, so maybe he changed his way by inserting fake information instead. Making him a deceiver..
We now all know how deceivers work.. since we all run into it online... if someone points out very often how much you can trust him .. then he cannot be trusted..
So do you ascribe to the idea that Paul was an agent of the Roman empire?
Precisely. Very well stated.
@@jamesdewane1642 i see no reason for romans to hire paul...
The teaching of jesus were annoying to Jerusalem religions, Jesus never said a bad thing about roman religion to convert/correct those..
Maybe the later gospel writers were roman based.
And tbh.. if you read the old testament, it states that god told the Israelites to kill false prophets... so they were in that way correct for having Jesus killed..
But i just know that those things can NEVER have been said by God, but were added later to control the people through fear...
The fear of being killed is even greater then the fear of being send to hell after you die...
@@larryp6671 thanks for your reply,
The fun thing is that the whole bible tells us itself how it works to make people go wrong.
Israel was the chosen people to bring misunderstanding into this world, a book as a fruit from a tree to follow personal sexual drifts instead of listening to God's own communication of good and evil, wich is that we feel bad when we observe injustice.. and feel good when justice is observed.
There is a promise to what happen when letter are added or removed... and it did happen, so things have been added and removed to the teachings about God.
But where the eastern religions are missing information to become false religions, the abrahamics used adding lies to protect the Truth missing in the rest.
1 and 1 is 2.... and you understand where the whole freedom of choice goes bad, all choices are based on the past.
But if you let God guide you, the choices will be based on the future. and when you know the outcome of things choices become very easy to make.
Yes, Israel is the chosen people, but for misunderstanding and evil, and only the ALLknowing can justify that....
Don't really see the point of planting fake information when it spread Empire wide regardless
Whoa, James! This is big. . . I've been a student of the Christian Scriptures for 60 years and what you are laying out here -- that Paul is not passing on what he received from the apostles but what he received directly from Jesus-as-the-Christ -- seems to me to be one of THE most significant tectonic shifts in interpretative practices.
Thank you!
Now I have to go back and read the Gospels all over again with this POV. . .
Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord
Fragment 6
"Mark having become an interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatever he remembered... for he neither heard the LORD, or accompanied him"
"Matthew put together the Oracles... in the Hebrew language"
The Muratorian Canon
Fragment I
"Luke... when Paul had taken with him as one zealous for the law, composed it in his own name, according to belief. Yet he himself had not seen the LORD in the flesh; and therefore, as he was able to ascertain events"
"The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples. To his fellow disciples and overseers, who had been urging him [to write]."
The Jews essentially did what they always did, kill someone for not following commandments. End of story. Beyond that, it's all fiction. All made up by Paul. Paul authored the majority of the NT, trying to convince people that Jesus was the Mosiach, and the Jews somehow got it wrong. The Jews got it right.
Mark was the first Gospel written... 40 years after the death of Jesus.
The original account in Mark (Codex Sinaiticus) is virtually identical to the account in the Ethiopian NT. Mary went to the tomb, an angel told her that Christ had risen... THE END. The witnesses were added into later versions.. KJV. Then, Mary and the disciples were the only witnesses, AND none of them even recognized "Jesus"... he manifested in a different form. (Mark 16:12).
Matthew was written two decades after Mark... Matthew 28:17 when they (11 disciples), they worshipped him: but some doubted. (Mary doesn't see Jesus, in the book of Matthew, just the 11 disciples). Luke was the next gospel after Matthew, then John. The accounts get embellished, as time goes by. Jesus eats ("proof" he physically resurrected, and the disciples didn't see a ghost/spirit), (doubting) Thomas touches his wounds (the gaslighting of the non believers). Paul goes on to say there were 500 witnesses.
The resurrection is the foundation of Paul's religion, literally.
I Corinthians 15:12-15
If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised;
And if Christ not be raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised the Christ.
15:19
If for this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
Christians are followers of Paul and his gospel. Paul never met Jesus, unless you take his word for his encounters. Paul openly murdered the followers of Christ. He had very little association with the apostles or their teachings.
In his own words.
Galatians 1:11
But I make known to you, brethren, the gospel that was preached by me, that is not according to man;
1:12 for NEITHER RECEIVED I IT FROM MAN, NOR WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION OF CHRIST.
Romans 3:7 for if the truth of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16... I am crafty, and caught you all by trickery
Acts 12:23 and behold the hand of the LORD is upon thee, and thou SHALT BE BLIND, not seeing the sun for a season.
(Jesus, healed the blind, love your enemies, turn the other cheek.
Matthew 7:18-19 beware of false prophets... YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.
24:45 For many will come in my name, saying "I am the messiah" and they will lead many astray.
24:23-26 if ANYONE says to you "look, here is the Messiah"... DO NOT BELIEVE IT.... For false Messiahs and false prophets will appear, producing great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the very elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So if they say to you "look here, he is in the wilderness" do not go out. If they say "look, he is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
John 16:10 I go to my father, and ye see me NO MORE.
16:28 I leave the world, and go to the father.
17:4 I have finished the work, which thou gavest me to do.
14:19 a little while, and the world seeth me NO MORE
18:36 My kingdom is not of this world
14:2 I go to prepare a place for you)
Acts 9:3 suddenly there shined... a light from heaven
9:5 I am Jesus, whom thou prosecutest
9:9 and he was three days without sight.
Acts 23:11 the LORD stood by him and said "Be of good cheer, Paul: as thou hast testified of me...
And if you beLIEve Paul's encounter with Jesus, you have to subscribe to 'Jesus' causing Paul to go blind... the guy who healed blind people, and taught people to love their enemies, and turn the other cheek.
Acts 20:9 and a young man... who sat in a window... as Paul discoursed...fell down from the third story, and was taken up dead🤔
20:10 but Paul went down, and fell upon him and embracing him said: be not troubled; for his life is in him.
20:12 and they brought the young man alive.(WOW, a convenient "accidental" death, and resurrection "miracle" at the hands of Paul)
(Ye shall know them by their fruit)
Acts 18:12-18 Paul's false teachings get questioned in a Synagogue, the gentiles (Greek), that accompany Paul, beat up the head of the Synagogue.
Acts 22:3... being a zealot for God, as all of you are this day,
Acts 22:24 I persecuted this way even to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women
Acts 20:26 I solemnly affirm to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all.
1 Corinthians 9:20 I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to those under law as under law, NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER LAW, that I might gain these under law.
9:21 to those without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain those without law.
9:22 to the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: TO ALL I BECAME ALL THINGS, THAT BY ALL MEANS, I might save some.
20:23 AND ALL THINGS I DO FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL.
Romans 3:7 for if the "truth" of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16 NEVERTHELESS, I AM CRAFTY, AND CAUGHT YOU ALL BY TRICKERY.
The guy is admittedly a murderer, liar, deceiver, telling people what they want to hear, causing harm to others, clean of the blood of any wrong doing, while preaching to everyone that are going to reap what they sow. Claiming his gospel is inspired by God, and not by those who were personally with Christ on a daily basis.
PAUL'S GOSPEL
CANNIBALISM FOR IMMORTALITY
John 6:53 Jesus said.. Except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day.
6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
CHILD SACRIFICE FOR IMMORTALITY
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of the blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness.
JESUS S(L)AVES
I Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh
I Timothy 6:1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name, and our teaching may not be slandered.
Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything...
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart...
@@kathy1154 you've copy pasted this comment repeatedly to different ppl. It's a forgery and spamming
@@kathy1154 That's a hodge-podge, very inconsistent. Sometimes you treat the NT texts as unproblematic history, sometimes you treat the texts critically. You're firstly critiquing the text when it helps to attack Paul. Then you take these same NT texts as historical fact when they can be used to attack Paul. You're acting like a Christian apologist, but for your own pet doctrine. You say if we accept Paul's vision we have to accept the Acts version of events too. No we don't. The Acts accounts contradict Paul's own personal account. And stop slandering the Jews; your "critique" preserves the worst of Christian sectarianism and Jew-baiting. Begone.
"died for our sins" should say died because he was drawing crowds and exposure to himself for his interpretation of the Torah and the prophets.
Lie!
My stepson also hears Jesus. He just got out of the psych ward after 2 weeks.
Has the psych staff gotten better?
Released to Clown World from Psych Ward ...
When I first realized this I was very afraid. But it's not actually even bad news. All you have to do is go back to Jesus, not Paul.
Be merciful to those who doubt
Jude 1:25 😊
Confused!
@@williamacuff7707 where did I lose you.
@@williamacuff7707If you saw a chicken or goat being sacrificed to a statue of Satan, would you eat it? I would not, even though Paul says it's ok. Peter and John say it's bad to do that.
Dr. Tabor, you've nailed it almost perfectly!
However I think Christianity only goes back as far as Paul. What preceded him in Jerusalem and among the Jews was Nazorean Judaism led by James, Peter, and John. After all, we read in Acts 11:26, after Paul had been preaching his gospel for a month, that the townies of Antioch started calling the assembly of disciples "Christians" for the first time (except in the earliest Greek manuscripts it reads "Chréstianos").
There seem to have been some traditions that Paul quotes that he had clearly learned from other Chirstians, though.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Jesus did not float up into the sky. Christianity arrived in Britain in the last year of Tiberius, brought by Joseph of Arimathea and his family so, Christ must have been with them. Paul visited Britain. The remains of a church dated to the 1st century are still discernible in South Wales: named for St Peter (founder). Monarch of Britain at that time was Bran ‘the Blessed’. The principle language of the Britons two thousand years ago was Cymraeg (Welsh) - ancient Assyrian speech. YMA O HYD ! … and - William Blake knew this history: he also knew that there was no such place as ‘England’ back then.
@@megw7312 "Jesus did not float up into the sky." - Right.
"Christianity arrived in Britain in the last year of Tiberius, brought by Joseph of Arimathea and his family" - Nope. It did not.
"Christ must have been with them." - Nope.
"Paul visited Britain." - Nope.
"The remains of a church dated to the 1st century are still discernible in South Wales: named for St Peter (founder)." - No, this does not exist. There IS a ruined MEDIEVAL church which has been given this name, but it is not 1st Century.
"The principle language of the Britons two thousand years ago was the Brythonic language which gave rise to Welsh, Cornish, Bretton. Manx - it is nothing to do with Assyrian.
"William Blake knew this history: he also knew that there was no such place as ‘England’ back then." - Blake had a vivid imagination and also believed he had been given his plate-printing process by an angel. So . . . nothing to be taken too literally.
England is a country named after the Angles and the idea of England was born in the 7th Century.
@@megw7312Why are you speaking like any of that is remotely true and that Joseph of Arimathea was a historical person? These are medieval legends.
Where, in the Bible, are witness testimonies that Jesus floated up into the sky?
Historical records say:
Joseph of Arimathea brought Christianity to Britain in the last year of Tiberius. The monarch, Bran (‘The Blessed’) ‘embraced’ Christianity. Anna of Arimathea married into the royalty of Britain, Christianity was taken to Rome by the family of Bran when his son, Caradoc, a.k.a, Caractacus, was betrayed by Cartimandua Queen of the Brigantes. Bran and other members of his family eventually joined Caradoc in Rome. Timothy 2 : 4 : 21. Linus, son of Caradoc, became 1st bishop of Rome. ‘Claudia’ took this name on her adoption by Claudius and marriage to Rufus Pudens. She was natural daughter of Caradoc, Eurgain - known to the Britons by her title Gwladys (top countrywoman). It is not clear what language Caradoc used to make his speech in Rome but it is known that he could speak Latin and Greek as well as his own language, Cymraeg. He would not have spoken in English as England did not exist two thousand years ago.
...playing 'The Gadfly', Why should we accept that Paul (nee; Saul of Tarsus) would have been able to Recognize the Jesus whom Paul NEVER Met in Life -- and whose life was Ended several (4- to 7) YEARS Prior to the "Pharisee of Pharisees" vaunted "Road to Damascus" experience ?
It's not like he'd have had access to- (or kept) a "WANTED -- DEAD or ALIVE" poster for the capture of Jesus bar Joseph -- with a reliable 'head-shot' of the 'Outlaw'...or got to listen to recordings of his Sermons to familiarize himself with the itinerant preacher's voice- or speech mannerisms.
Indeed, of all the 'Church Founders, I would regard Paul's "Vision/Hallucination" claims to be the LEAST-Reliable -- for he would have No'Eye'-/'Ear-Witness Basis for 'validating' the Bonafides of the entity he'd perportedly met aloft...
I mean, Jesus H. Christ...it coulda been SATAN in Shape-Shifter mode -- or the Spirit of one of the other ancient "Dud Meshichim"(*) sufferers of "Jerusalem Syndrome"..!
(*) I hope I got the tense- & form correct.
Nathanael saw the dream of Jacob (dioskuroi, the ascending and descending angel) what equals having a Vision being on the road like Jacob. Nathan ben Nathan (zacharias barachai) was then promised ; he would see greater things
then these (these are both his sons the boanerges, the 2 sons of Zebedee), the
greater 'thing' is his grandson ; Chrestos .
You believe lies!
Have your day of mocking Scripture, judgement is coming for you.
I have gone through your Mark course and your Dead Sea Scrolls course and I am very much looking forward on your Paul course. Thanks so much
It is indeed a page turner, sir. I have been re-reading the introduction and the first chapter!
Wow. This is an amazing video Dr Tabor. Bringing so much together thank you and I think makes a LOT of sense. Thank you so much for all the videos you post for free. So helpful for those of us trying to exit dogma and fundamentalism.... and also now hooked on this very cold case! Your being able to see where Paul getting his theology from in the Hebrew Bible so helpful. I would very much like to dissect Mark more and plan to do your course
This is an excellent series. Thanks for posting.
It took awhile , but at one point I'm my spiritual grouth I understood that I didn't want to see my GOD THROUGH ANYONE'S EYES BUT MINE .
Incorrect!
Can you trust your eyes? Who is "your God"?
@@melanie_mouse my God is the whisper I hear in the morning when I wake and when storms of this life are approaching .
And what makes you think your eyes are trustworthy? And why's the veracity of Paul's Apostleship coming under attack? Because TRUTH is under all-out attack...... As an "awakened" new ager I dissed Paul (once or twice) thinking I knew better, but now I'm BORN AGAIN I see better..... I SEE he was full of the same *Spirit* filling me. And that's ALL I need to know about Paul: that he was anointed by *Holy Spirit* (which testified of Jesus through him). Paul was appointed by *Jesus Himself* and HE don't make mistakes.
@@SpiritLevel888 that is great, have a good life .
Great stuff, Dr. Tabor.
Also, I recommend "Jesus and Paul" to everyone interested in the history of the Bible.
I've read where Peter, James and John claimed that Paul was wrong in his preaching, and at one of the times Paul came back to Jerusalem, they made Paul take a Nazirite Vow, and admit his preaching was wrong. In a few of Paul's letters (I cannot recall which ones) he references those who were causing "his" churches to not follow his preaching. Not by name, though; "they mean nothing to me." Paul got a bit "hacked off" about this. I have no solid basis for this, but I think the "pillars" of the Jerusalem church was the thorn in his flesh. I would think with "his" churches "unfollowing" him would be seen as a thorn in his flesh. Or in more current vernacular, a pain in the ass.
Read that closely in Acts. Paul did not fulfill, finish the vow…
@@miryamnae2164 you are against Paul because you are against his message. Peter, John and the disciples are preaching the same message although Paul understood the Jewish scriptures better then most having been a Pharisee and well studied
@@JakeLeidahl Paul's expertise on Judaism is independent from the fact that he and his created religion are false. He simply, and falsely inserted Jesus into the Mosiach/son of God role, in order to create a new religion.
The Muratorian Canon
Fragment I
"Luke... when Paul had taken with him as one zealous for the law, composed it in his own name, according to belief. Yet he himself had not seen the LORD in the flesh; and therefore, as he was able to ascertain events"
"The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples. To his fellow disciples and overseers, who had been urging him [to write]."
The Jews essentially did what they always did, kill someone for not following commandments. End of story. Beyond that, it's all fiction. All made up by Paul. Paul authored the majority of the NT, trying to convince people that Jesus was the Mosiach, and the Jews somehow got it wrong. The Jews got it right.
Mark was the first Gospel written... 40 years after the death of Jesus.
The original account in Mark (Codex Sinaiticus) is virtually identical to the account in the Ethiopian NT. Mary went to the tomb, an angel told her that Christ had risen... THE END. The witnesses were added into later versions.. KJV. Then, Mary and the disciples were the only witnesses, AND none of them even recognized "Jesus"... he manifested in a different form. (Mark 16:12).
Matthew was written two decades after Mark... Matthew 28:17 when they (11 disciples), they worshipped him: but some doubted. (Mary doesn't see Jesus, in the book of Matthew, just the 11 disciples). Luke was the next gospel after Matthew, then John. The accounts get embellished, as time goes by. Jesus eats ("proof" he physically resurrected, and the disciples didn't see a ghost/spirit), (doubting) Thomas touches his wounds (the gaslighting of the non believers). Paul goes on to say there were 500 witnesses.
The resurrection is the foundation of Paul's religion, literally.
I Corinthians 15:12-15
If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised;
And if Christ not be raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised the Christ.
15:19
If for this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
Christians are followers of Paul and his gospel. Paul never met Jesus, unless you take his word for his encounters. Paul openly murdered the followers of Christ. He had very little association with the apostles or their teachings.
In his own words.
Galatians 1:11
But I make known to you, brethren, the gospel that was preached by me, that is not according to man;
1:12 for NEITHER RECEIVED I IT FROM MAN, NOR WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION OF CHRIST.
Romans 3:7 for if the truth of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16... I am crafty, and caught you all by trickery
Acts 12:23 and behold the hand of the LORD is upon thee, and thou SHALT BE BLIND, not seeing the sun for a season.
(Jesus, healed the blind, love your enemies, turn the other cheek.
Matthew 7:18-19 beware of false prophets... YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.
24:45 For many will come in my name, saying "I am the messiah" and they will lead many astray.
24:23-26 if ANYONE says to you "look, here is the Messiah"... DO NOT BELIEVE IT.... For false Messiahs and false prophets will appear, producing great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the very elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So if they say to you "look here, he is in the wilderness" do not go out. If they say "look, he is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
John 16:10 I go to my father, and ye see me NO MORE.
16:28 I leave the world, and go to the father.
17:4 I have finished the work, which thou gavest me to do.
14:19 a little while, and the world seeth me NO MORE
18:36 My kingdom is not of this world
14:2 I go to prepare a place for you)
Acts 9:3 suddenly there shined... a light from heaven
9:5 I am Jesus, whom thou prosecutest
9:9 and he was three days without sight.
Acts 23:11 the LORD stood by him and said "Be of good cheer, Paul: as thou hast testified of me...
And if you beLIEve Paul's encounter with Jesus, you have to subscribe to 'Jesus' causing Paul to go blind... the guy who healed blind people, and taught people to love their enemies, and turn the other cheek.
Acts 20:9 and a young man... who sat in a window... as Paul discoursed...fell down from the third story, and was taken up dead🤔
20:10 but Paul went down, and fell upon him and embracing him said: be not troubled; for his life is in him.
20:12 and they brought the young man alive.(WOW, a convenient "accidental" death, and resurrection "miracle" at the hands of Paul)
(Ye shall know them by their fruit)
Acts 18:12-18 Paul's false teachings get questioned in a Synagogue, the gentiles (Greek), that accompany Paul, beat up the head of the Synagogue.
Acts 22:3... being a zealot for God, as all of you are this day,
Acts 22:24 I persecuted this way even to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women
Acts 20:26 I solemnly affirm to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all.
1 Corinthians 9:20 I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to those under law as under law, NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER LAW, that I might gain these under law.
9:21 to those without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain those without law.
9:22 to the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: TO ALL I BECAME ALL THINGS, THAT BY ALL MEANS, I might save some.
20:23 AND ALL THINGS I DO FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL.
Romans 3:7 for if the "truth" of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16 NEVERTHELESS, I AM CRAFTY, AND CAUGHT YOU ALL BY TRICKERY.
The guy is admittedly a murderer, liar, deceiver, telling people what they want to hear, causing harm to others, clean of the blood of any wrong doing, while preaching to everyone that are going to reap what they sow. Claiming his gospel is inspired by God, and not by those who were personally with Christ on a daily basis.
PAUL'S GOSPEL
CANNIBALISM FOR IMMORTALITY
John 6:53 Jesus said.. Except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day.
6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
CHILD SACRIFICE FOR IMMORTALITY
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of the blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness.
JESUS S(L)AVES
I Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh
I Timothy 6:1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name, and our teaching may not be slandered.
Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything...
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart...
@@kathy1154 there are so many false statements in the book you just wrote to me and much of it is copied word for word from Ehrman. I'll correct you on a few things but won't get to every mistake.
We can date that Paul was in Jerusalem and converted by 36 AD. Scholars agree on this based on contextual evidence in Acts. Creeds existed before Paul was converted. That's immediate high Christology.....the disciples proclaiming Jesus as deity and risen.....and other witnesses. The muratorian canon is a testimony to the early church recognizing 22 of the 27 books......you have all the gospels and Peter proclaiming Christ. It didn't prove any point except what we know that Luke was investigating and talking to eye witnesses.
All the gospels were written before 70 AD in the life time of the disciples. Mark could be as early as 40-55 AD and he was likely writing for Peter who died around 64 AD. Throughout Mark it has high Christology and professed Jesus as God (even if skeptics try to argue this). Mark ends with the resurrection of a Jesus and ppl seeing Jesus alive......you are not proving your point. Yes the Bible tells us why the 2 men on the road to Emmaus didn't recognize our Lord and Savior.
You falsely claim and lyingly claim that Paul is the only person preaching the resurrection of Jesus. THEY ALL WERE! Peter refers to Paul as a wise and beloved brother.
As you should know Paul was among the strictest of Pharisees studying under Gamaliel.......he agreed with killing Christians. You lied when you said that Paul killed Christians as their is no verse that says that.....but Paul stood by while Stephen was stoned for saying Jesus is Lord. And Paul persecuted Christians for about 2-3 years until as he says he met Jesus on the road to Damascus (and others witnessed it)
Christianity took off as Jesus did rise from the dead and is Lord. Paul was a faithful servant of the King
And yes the same man that healed the blind got Paul's attention by blinding the Pharisee. You are more blind then he was
I have to watch it two times and the second time I was talking notes, it's so good.!!!
False belief!
It's really not.
He s a modern liberal Bible critic, people like him have been knocking Scripture it the last 2000 years, Tabor makes wild claims. God s Word is forever settled in Heaven. tabor will stand before Christ one day.
Do you think it just coincidence that Constantine supposedly had the same experience as Saul did on the road to Damascus? Pail admits that he was a Roman, and there are some who say he killed James. (Stephen) He seemed to be at home when he spent over 2 years with Felix.
@sandyaaron9624
Wandering into myths instead of sticking to what is written would only affirm Paul's writings (2 Timothy 4:1-4). If he was at home with the Romans, then why did they kill him?
@@johnmann8659 Read Psalm 34-21 Then there's this:
Acts 22:27-29
New International Version
27 The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?”
“Yes, I am,” he answered.
28 Then the commander said, “I had to pay a lot of money for my citizenship.”
“But I was born a citizen,” Paul replied.
29 Those who were about to interrogate him withdrew immediately. The commander himself was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains.
@@sandyaaron9624 What’s the connection to Paul in Psalm 34? Paul was beloved (2 Peter 3:15-17).
@@johnmann8659 Paul was in constant conflict with James who was head of the church in Jerusalem, and the brother of Jesus. Paul was a Roman infiltrator of "The Way".
Watch this video on this channel from a month ago:
"Robert Eisenman & the Dead Sea Scrolls: Best Interview Ever!"
@@sandyaaron9624 Paul = James the Just and due to his ambition his 2 sons (stephan and the 'lord'' ) were both martyred .
I have just ordered the Gospels Parallels by Throckmorton on line. I thank you for your efforts and to share your work with us.
Me too!!
Read the letters of Peter. He talks of the anti-Christ appearing in visions but not in the flesh.
He was talking about Saul.
Yes, but this was not Peter writing.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu that's possible
So, you think the antichrist appeared to Paul and the result was that Paul turned from his persecution of Christians to spread the Gospel throughout the countries he visited, converting pagan Gentiles to believers in Christ - all while suffering imprisonment, indescribable torture, and eventual martyrdom? Right ... of course ... everything Paul did pointed people to Christ, but, you know, it was actually the antichrist. That makes so much more sense.
It is possible, with all respect to Paul, that his Christianity is a horrific distortion of Jesus. It seems, at times, that Paul was the one who crucified Jesus when he gave us ‘his gospel.’
Peter would not shake hands with a devil genius. Read Gal 2. They shook hands. Also ready 2 Peter 3:15-16.
Hes teaching me keys now and how to open our understanding by using building blocks of all correlatiing scriptures
This is an vitally important issue: why's the veracity of Paul's Apostleship coming under attack? Because TRUTH is under *all-out attack.*
As an "awakened" new ager I dissed Paul (once or twice) thinking I knew better, but now I'm BORN AGAIN (John 3) I see better..... I SEE he was full of the same *Spirit* filling me. And that's ALL I NEED TO KNOW about Paul: that he was ANOINTED by *Holy Spirit* (which testified of Jesus through him).
You need to *Rightly Divide* the completed *Word of truth* mate, not usurp it. Jesus came for and preached to *Israel;* Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles (us) appointed by *Jesus Himself* - and HE don't make mistakes.
Seriously, we live in a *fallen world* full of deception: to insult Paul is to insult *Holy Spirit* which, Jesus says, is tantamount to the *unpardonable sin.*
100% amen
What a beautiful talk!! Very clear and scholarly! I can’t wait to read the book!
I have read "Paul and Jesus" twice. I feel that you have the most reasonable perspective on Jesus and the original sect(s) that I have come across.
Satanic!
It's really not. I encourage you to also read the early church fathers. Start with Polycarp who was taught by John. Don't rely on this guy.
the real profane historical story (claudian history) gives the best perspective.
Paul sees all things about Christ in the Old Testament and constantly refers to it - this is a terrific video
It looks to me like he got his facts about Jesus being buried and raised from the scriptures, from midrash and also from hallucinations.
Tabor ?
21:00 when this individual is apparently spoken of, I would like to parallel to Galatians 3, specifically 3:16 and 3:29 where he says:
3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”meaning one person, who is Christ.
3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Also, to tie it together Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;
This is exceptional ❤
Pitiful!
@@williamacuff7707 Are you just trolling?
Thank you, Sir, for continuing your important work. I really appreciate it.
Your name has chapel in it. How does that work when you don't believe the Bible is from God? Important work? It's blasphemy
Thank you Dr. Tabor. So very helpful!
Satanic!
We need to really start listening to these scholars and hear and read about what they say? what does Dr. Tabor think about Bart Ehrmann's books and teachings? Especially "misquoting Jesus" and other books?
he appeared to me" in a vision. Paul didn't actually see Jesus.
Lie!
Just let your heart cry out for Jesus, just say Jesus with all your heart, he's coming, you'll see!
Paul was a Roman agent and false apostle (as noted in Revelation, that contradicted John, Jesus, James, and Peter. He infiltrated the true ekkelsia with the pagan ideas of Rome which made their way into the gospels which were written by unknown authors after 70 ad.
@williamacuff7707
2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who was taken up to the third heaven fourteen years ago. I do not know whether the man was in his body or "OUT" of his body, but God knows.
Having had plenty of oobes during this well-aged life, including some extraordinary ones at that, I can personally attest that it was OUT! It was Paul's etheric body, astral body, spiritual body, pneuma , whatever your semantics, whatever you want to call it. Regardless, it's the REAL you, the real me, the real Paul, the real EVERYONE. The earthly body is not. It's an illusion, here today, gone tomorrow, and it's impossible for it to enter, OR SEE, into the HIGHER densities in which there are MANY mansions. Paul's physical body remained on this Earth during the experiences he described. His spirit did not. Likewise with visions, you are not seeing with your physical eyes. You are looking THROUGH them with the inner eye, THE SINGLE EYE... you know, that very one if dark perceives GREAT DARKNESS. I've seen light brother, and it is BEAUTIFUL.
Paul said it was a vision didn't he?@@williamacuff7707
The Books of the Bible rearranges the NT books, and I found that very enlightening. However, the idea is that Paul acquired his gospel from Jesus independently of the 12 and later on went to the others who verified that he was preaching the same thing. Their gospels were probably somewhat influenced by hearing his version, but they already had the same gospel anyway.
James, this is so good I have just listened twice. And might listen again!A lot in a concise way thank you! When do you think you might do the Mark course again with live Q&A?? And I am definitely looking forward to the Paul course. I wonder if you would consider doing discussions of these issues with John Dominic Crossan? Id love to hear you both in dialogue. So grateful for all your knowledge and you using your retirement in this way to share it further! Warm greetings from the UK
You nailed it doctor, the best clip ever i encountered that gets to the root of Christianity, great work!
Paul required his followers to give Paul all their money...
The story of "god" striking followers dead is pretty horrifying... it is in Paul's writing Acts 5:3.
Paul wants power, like many modern day Gurus.
Sure therefore he was executed in Rome finally after years of suffering for bringing the message.
Paul did not write Acts. An associate of his, yes, but not Paul himself. As to Paul wanting power, of course he did, being human; that is our central impulse and driving force...
I would call it severe Eisegesis - which ironically rhymes with "I SEE JESUS" - which is what Paul puts you under a spell to do when reading Tanakh.
That select individual that Isaiah was talking about was Jeremiah and Ezekiel.
Ezekiel plainly tells us in chapter 4 how he "bore" the iniquity of Israel and Judah.
Jeremiah 11:19 explicitly states he is the lamb led to the slaughter and "cut off" from the land of the living. Hebraically this isn't about death, it is about having no children.
This is why in Is 53:10 it says he will see his children/seed.
If Paul could use Isaiah to formulate suffering servant theology, why could the historical Jesus not done the same? It appears that the teacher of righteousness frequently used scripture to explain his mission 100 yrs before Jesus. If Jesus used scripture to explain his mission and John the Baptizer before him, it would appear that Jesus and Paul both used Isaiah to explain the movement whether it was handed down from the Jerusalem church or not.
Your lost!
Could you explain Isaiah 53? Jesus wasn't using Isaiah .......Jesus gave Isaiah the message to write and Jesus predates Isaiah and all of us. As Jesus said "before Abraham, I AM" meaning Jesus is God and Jesus is the Lord of the Angel in the OT.
I understand your comment that if Paul was lying how can this nonsensical professor not just claim Jesus was lying. Obviously I believe Jesus is the truth
One consideration among many, is the fact that Paul suffered greatly for many years to carry and to evangelize; why do this for something that ‘didn’t hold water’ as they say?
The evident answer to that (assuming of course that Paul did indeed suffer and end up being martyred) is that, whether or not Paul had an actual vision of the risen Jesus, Paul BELIEVED he did. You're quite right that the whole trajectory of Paul's later life makes zero sense otherwise (again assuming it's accurately recorded).
Very informative and in my opinion, very true! Dr Tabor is the greatest academic scholar on Paul. 😊
Lie!
We should think of Luke's Gospel as being the Gospel of Paul (with additions that Luke took from the other Gospels - Mark and Q). We know from Acts, the second part of Luke's Gospel, that from Chapter 20 onwards Luke was travelling with Paul. What is significant about Luke's Gospel is that he repeatedly uses interactions with Pharisees to introduce teaching points by Jesus and in Acts 4:34-39 it is the Pharisee Gamaliel, Paul's teacher, who tells the Council not to persecute the apostles; this is before Paul even arrives on the scene in Acts 8. The belief in the resurrection of the dead was characteristic of Pharisees but not Saducees, so it is hardly surprising that Paul preached it.
Unlike in Matthew's Gospel where John the Baptist links the Pharisees with the Saducees (3:7) as a 'brood of vipers', and they conspire against Jesus (e.g. 12:14) the most critical statement in Luke about the Pharisees is the reference to the "yeast of the Pharisees" (12:1). Luke's corresponding Gospel passage about John the Baptist (3:7) has just the crowds from Jerusalem being given the epithet 'brood of vipers'. This omission is important and, although Paul is usually represented as the apostle to the Gentiles, is an indication that he was also acting as an apostle to the Pharisees outside of Palestine. This explains the number of times his teaching in synagogues is mentioned.
Paul and Jesus completely preach a different theology, reading in reverse with simply get what you want
Very interesting presentation. Thank you!
I don't follow the Imposter Paul.
"Jesus I know, and Paul, but who are you?"
Your New Testament must be kind of light. 😁
Please don't follow and be a stranger to Holy Spirit, and always defeated by your Flesh, World, and satan
The Truth isn't for everyone. If you're caught by guile and follow falsehood, it's not for you. I'm absolutely solidly convinced that if you don't know the Truth, you cannot make good decisions. Everything becomes situational ethics. That doesn't work for the long term.
Peace....
@@dreen7911 Excellent answer. Praise the Lord.
Dear dr. Tabor.. I was wondering what you think of the around 230 AD Megiddo mosaic which says ‘to God Jesus Christ’.
I’m really interested in your opinion on this.
Very enlightening. Thank you, Dr Tabor.
I totally love listening to your studies !
Maybe Paul knew that there was a group of God fearing gentiles who already believed in YHWH and the coming Messiah and basically was like if he's the Messiah then we know a lot about what he's coming to do and knew all the old prophecies and went to the those God fearing gentiles (syblists) and preempted the religion.
Wrong!
Why would he do this if Christians were being persecuted? There would be no benefit for him.
@@user-hx9uw5zd9k christians weren't persecuted when he went in the 50s and started all the churches. And then wanted taxes from them.
@@williamacuff7707 how so? Why was there discord between Paul's theology and yeshuas teachings?
@@kydenj28 Paul said it himself. He said he persecuted Christians. Then Jesus spoke to him and said "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"
Dr. Tabor very well put. Thank you professor. I have just about all of your books. We all need to learn this history.
Does anyone else suspect that the so-called love chapter in First Corinthians was copied, not written, by Paul? Sort of like the the divine emptying hymn in Philippians. Are there any linguistic clues that point to a pre-existing hymn to love as there are for a pre-existing divine emptying hymn?
Really interesting idea
Confusion!
The reason I’m not convinced that 1 Corinthians 15 refers to a vision is as follows:
- It refers to an order of events: first Cephas saw Christ, then the twelve, then the 500 etc.
- This would be very easy to confirm, or, more importantly, _disconfirm_ if Paul happened to be wrong. So if Paul was consciously making it up, he risks ridicule when the ‘real story’ comes out.
- If it came to Paul purely as a vision, it would be a remarkable coincidence if the vision just happened to match what actually happened, or was thought to have happened.
- If Paul already knew the party line, and claimed to have had a vision about it, that would make perfect sense - but Paul would not be the origin of the information.
- If Paul meant 'received' as something akin to ‘was taught’ (or, as I think, 'was told and accepted as true'), that would also make perfect sense. Paul was human, and therefore probably not 100% consistent. What he meant by ‘received’ is likely to change both for reasons of convenience, and because some years had passed between Galatians and 1st Corinthians.
Don't fall for this lie! Paul spoke by the Holy Spirit from Gods, Jesus's mouth!
The icing on the cake of your podcasts! Much appreciated. Layne
Considering that I've never heard anybody ever claim that Paul got his gospel from the other apostles, this "icing on the cake" podcast seems to be refuting an argument nobody's making.
It's so fascinating! The way Mark 1) mocks the disciples for being so clueless and 2) stresses, at the end that they did not tell anyone (which is why Paul had it all from his revelation).
Your videos and lectures must not disappear after youre gone.
It’s unfortunate that people going to hell always try and drag others down with them.
Jesus said you must be born again (John 3:3). Peter said you must be born again (1 Peter 1:22,23). Paul said you must be born again (Romans 8:9). Sounds like the same gospel to me. Ezekiel prophesied about it in Ezekiel 36:25-27. Have you been born again? I have, it's great.
AMEN
Of course, you assume that you know what Jesus meant by being born again. But your interpretation has been shaped by Paul’s gospel. However, that is not Jesus gospel and, therefore, not what Jesus meant by the term.
He had a near death experience
great presentation and so clearly you've accomplished massive scholarship on this topic... amazing! But I have a huge question: e.g. at 22:24 where you say the substitutionary death concept/dynamic/ came not from Jesus but from Paul. i guess my question ranges between didn't it all come from God and Christ and the Holy Spirit, in that we are speaking here of that which all the heroes of faith of the Hebrew Scriptures as outlined and emphasized in Hebrews 11, were longing toward, longing for, something God (and thus Christ) knew very well, as they had orchestrated this all from the beginning, no? i feel like I am perhaps missing some level of meaning you are referencing, some large dynamic? If you're saying that, oh yes, of course everything comes from God and Christ and is prophesied in the Tanakh, but whose "mouth" did this substitutionary death concept come out of? But, I'm clearly missing something because not only a huge mass of the Hebrew Scriptures, and all the laws of sacrifice of blameless lambs and goats, specified as dying for the sins of the people like in the Day of Atonement, all are presenting the concept over and over of the substitutionary death, no? And then Jesus would say stuff like....even as Moses lifted up the Serpent that all who looked at it would not perish but live... in his famous conversation with Nicodemus. Forgive my redundancy... and probably if i'd have been following your teaching or books more (i've really only listened to you in one or two at the most youtube presentations over the decades) i would not be asking my, therefore stupid at worst, and redundant at best, questions? Again, thanks for your amazing work on these deep things of Scripture!!!
Looking forward to the Paul Course!
Deceived!
Historical Context of Paul's Revelations:
How do we reconcile the claim that Paul's gospel came directly from revelations with the historical context in which he was writing? Could cultural, religious, and societal influences of the time have shaped his revelations?
Comparison with Contemporary Jewish Thought:
In what ways does Paul's interpretation of the suffering servant in Isaiah align or diverge from contemporary Jewish thought? How might differing interpretations affect our understanding of Paul's gospel?
Authenticity of Paul's Claims:
Given the absence of corroborating accounts, how can we assess the authenticity of Paul's claims of direct revelation from Jesus? What methodologies can historians or theologians use to validate such claims?
Heaven is Within
Because you said so?
@@Roc-Righteous No, in the Bible it literally says the kingdom of heaven is within.
“Cut off out of the land of the living,” 16:30 Isaiah 53:8
Seems more likely that is hyperbole for the Assyrian conquest in which the people from the northern kingdom were taken away or fled to the south or hid out.
In 53:10 the Suffering Servant is alive again without a resurrection.
Confusion!
Christianity should NEVER have parted from Judaism and adopt pagan ways.
It has to be Pauline Christianity, if Acts and other epistles say that Paul successfully rebuked and changed the way Peter and James understood the teachings of Jesus and how to be saved [ e.g. Don't have to be circumcised, can eat all foods now , don't have to obey Temple Law ].
Have you a done a video yet about who really created the be-attitudes? Because I still find those a bit genius and I would like to know who came up with them. I don't (currently) accept that they come from a Jesus.
Why not - Jesus must have taught something that inspired people to follow him when he was alive.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu he never existed, so the question still remains
@@willempasterkamp862 Controversial!
@willempasterkamp862 so why was new testament written?
Knowing that there was a historical record (mostly hidden from most Christians) of a disagreement between the early followers of Jesus (the original 12 disciples) and Paul (Saul) over what was actually the "good news" or what "gospel" was true, Paul's or Jesus (as reflected in Bible texts) makes you question the idea that the Bible is harmonious. Can't be so if two different Gospels are being taught.
Revelation 22:14
King James Version
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Test revelation.
Your video was forearded to me because they knew i was critically reading and "fact checking" Paul and testing his references to the scriptures from the tanakh. What I have found is that not one time in Romans, Pauls last letter, was Paul correct in context or application regarding the passages he uses to develop his own gospel.
He did not interpret one tanakh scripture correctly, and in most case, even misquotes it.
Your work here is very confirming to me that as lovers of God, we MUST search Him out, especially when a false teacher like Paul convinces many of his gospel. Paul, I believe is the first of many of the false teachers Yeshua warned about.
Paul was a gnostic
Honestly, I think that’s the elephant in the room that many (Christians and some secular scholars) overlook about Paul. He’s CLEARLY a MYSTIC! Paul’s interpretations of the Hebrew Scriptures are from a mystical or celestial perspective and applies those archetypes onto Jesus.
" what is to be of his followers who synagogue on Shabbat & congregate the first day of the week to eat the flesh & drink the blood of their GOD. Those cannibals" joke perpetuated against Gsus followers by the first generation deniers
@jasontaylor657 It is the big elephant in the room that many don't want to bring up because the gnostics understood paul the best, and the ebonites understood The 12 Apostles the best.
False!
Paul being follower of GIMMELL and studied in more depth than most common Israeli men. All boys studied for their bar mitzvah. Most understood the Tenach and only needed a few words to see what the words SCRIPTURES used by Jesus was referring too. You can see how confused they still were even then. If several of the disciple followed John they may have more essence teachings.
I think Paul was very equipped to get revelations that Pharisees and Sadducees were blind to because of the doctrinal traditions they were entangled with.
Faith was important attribute to Noah and Abraham. It is critical.
This is beautiful. It makes sense that it is only in retrospect that one can fully appreciate the full value of an experience. Paul ,a credited scholar, was indeed the last and completing puzzle piece in the presentation of God’s revelation to the world; a revelation the former disciples couldn’t fully grasp while Jesus was with them. Long live Jesus Christ!
O my Eloheinu !
Really ❓
I believe you missed something bro!
False!
😮how????
He admitted to having a thorn at his side, a messenger of Satan. How can a house be divided against itself?
So, it began with Paul feeling inspired to write about the Jesus phenomenon, and Mark and the others were compelled to add their points of view? Or were the gospels amended and edited later to correlate?
Paul's preaching is the preaching of God, Jesus!
Or some of both.
Wow - still beguiled by Paul... sad. Ezekiel 18. Ezekiel 18. Ezekiel 18.
No righteousness or evil will be cross transferred among mankind - each is responsible to God for themselves....
God did not teach human sacrifice. Isaiah is altered.
True and false, Isaiah is not altered!
Excellent point!
@@williamacuff7707 Have you never read the variations of Isaiah found in "The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible"? To claim in not altered is to deny reality.
@@williamacuff7707 Isaiah 53 says he redeemed them via his wisdom - the knowledge he gave us - not his blood. Check out the variations - I just noted them, and I did not make them up.
Dr. Tabor estelar presentation, only touched softly on the surface of mystical life of Paul who, as it has been suggested by many authors, that Paul was an adept and practitioner of MERKABAH Mysticism.
Suggested without any real evidence.
ELKANAH , AL QAVA, Dhul Qarnain, Cornelius, Mercurius, Zorro
@@willempasterkamp862 ?
@@BarbaraDiederich-ut8zg Aramaic/hebrew kanah translates as Zeal, Horn, Elk, Elph-bone, Ivory (elkanites = ebionites). Elkanah, the Lord of the Horn (teacher of rightiousness) overlaps with Robin Hood (magic horn), Pied Piper (magic flute), Conan the barbarian (cone = horn), Cappa, cap, hood, hat = lid cover. Canna = container, jar, vessel; the groom of Cana is Paul = Drusus germanicus II = Cornelius the shiny Unicorn, the twin-father (Twin = Calf, 2 horns or tusks). It helps when you're familiar with the huqoq-elephant-mosaic what gives a clear oversight. Anyway it all overlaps : Sandokan, mithras, helios, elias = Paul = Zebedee = Ophiuchus = Santiago = James the Just. Possible ; supposed overlap with Merkabah ? Idk, how ?
Just searched Merkabah : the 6 pointed star of David : overlap with the 6 empty jars (nicolaitans = claudians), 2 triangles overlap with the Twin (ascending and descending angel) ; I'm convinced this is conform the ideologistics of the NT.
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Last night's Final Jeopardy question was about a Shakespeare play and a letter of Paul. I wonder if Dr Tabor would have had the right answer (in the form of a question, of course).
Confusion!
Paul says the law is nailed to the cross and been abolished. He says he as a Jew doesn’t need to follow it. He can pretend to be gentle or Jew. Under the law or not, to convert. Let God deal with him. I will follow the teachings of Jesus. Anyone like to join me?
I am in.!
Paul feels like a hard philosophical work, his own growth and understandings, more of a questions and answers in advance, how Jesus can be God of Gentiles as well, what is universal to all blood
8:40 The 'bread and wine', 'broken body', 'sacrificial blood', and ritual meal are symbols straight out of Mithraism. Paul was from Tarsus, a main center of Mithraism, which was common in all of Asia at the time. I'm not familiar with many ancient religions, but would suspect they were incorporate in other belief systems as well. Why these symbols specifically? Was it due to their remote similarity to the Jewish customary passover meal and animal sacrifices, or the other way around? Was this an attempt to create a bridge to the mysteries Yeshua taught the disciples and followers (similar to Essene beliefs in some ways)? I understand that many scholars believe also that we're dealing with "Yahwehism", as it was common in the very ancient world to see symbols and beliefs relating to this god. The OT was originally, according to Paul Wallis and Mauro Biglino, a book of the competitions between various 'powerful ones' (elohim). Evidence of this was suppressed with an injection of the term "Yahweh" over the words denoting the various, I believe many times vastly different 'gods' featured in the stories. Stories which were also taken from far more ancient sources and woven into the text to create the beautiful 'wisdom stories' and legends which illustrate spiritual concepts. This was how the monotheistic "Yahweh" (not christianity) religion began.
13 seconds -- my personal record..😁
The book: Mark the Canonizer of Paul basically has this same theory. Written by Tom Dykstra. It seems like it should become the prevailing theory, it’s very convincing. Thanks Dr. Tabor.
Indeed. Paul saying that "Christ died for our sins" is inadvertent evidence that that the idea came from him. The Hebrew Bible or Old Testament, clearly states, "No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them."--Psalms 49:7 That, of course, is long before Paul, who ended up preaching the reverse; and it also fits with Mithraism, the pagan Persian cult, the Roman center for which was in his wealthy hometown of Tarsus. Paul also almost certainly borrowed the Mithraic, symbolic-cannibalistic rite of the Lord's Supper --a name which the early church fathers found so offensively pagan and mystical, they changed it to the Eucharist.
@mahlonmarr856 - Why are you saying that the "idea came from Paul" ?
Jesus said, "This is my blood in the New Covenant which is shed for many, for the remission of sins". (Matthew 26:28). Psalm 49:7 is talking about "corrupt" human beings like you and me, a "sinner" cannot die for another "sinner". The Old Covenant says that the Passover Lamb had to be be SPOTLESS & WITHOUT BLEMISH.
That is talking about "God in the flesh", Jesus, who is SINLESS and who is the LAMB OF GOD.
Jesus also said, "even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28)
So no. Paul didn't come up with that idea, it is as old as the Old Covenant is.
Paul preached the truth of God, Jesus!
@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms As Dr. Tabor points out, Paul was earliest and influenced Mark, which in turn influenced Matthew and Luke.
@@mahlonmarr856- Right, and I bet you believe that the so-called "Dr." Tabor actually lived back in Paul's day to verify that huh ??
@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms
If you don't at least respect Dr. Tabor, why are you here?
Psalm 55:15-16 I s sufficient guide ; Pauline crap has divided more families than a sheepdog tending to well-protected sheep.
Paul is the false Apostle written of the in Revelation 2:2
His supposed meeting with Jesus on the road to Damascus, has three different versions of it and they are all different, he has no credibility ,and
when he claims he physically saw Jesus on the road to Damascus, and also in a prison cell, that is directly contradictory to what Jesus said about his return, and Jesus specifically said if someone tells you that Christ is in the Wilderness or in a private room do not believe him .
Paul admitted in his own writing step he was a liar, a thief, a hypocrite, and a murderer and that he was possessed by an Angel Of Satan and that's who he met on the road to Damascus and that's where he got his inspiration from
@onejohn2.26
The Apostle John was exiled to Patmos (Revelation 1:9) during the reign of Domitian (Acts of John the Theologian 1:55-65). That means Revelation was written circa 90 A.D. Paul died around 64-65 A.D. so Revelation 2:2 cannot be referencing Paul.
Wandering into myths instead of sticking to what is written only affirms Paul's writings (2 Timothy 4:1-4). If Peter calls Paul beloved (2 Peter 3:15-17), that means those that oppose Paul are also at odds with Peter. If you are at odds with both Peter and Paul, you are also at odds with Jesus.
@@johnmann8659
So because John wrote about this false Apostle after Paul died, that means Paul can't be the false apostle? that makes no sense
Further in Revelation 2 Christ told John, that he hates the Nicolaitans ....
they taught what Paul taught .
That second Peter verse is always thrown around and in my opinion, it proves nothing, because Peter had absolutely no use for Paul and vice versa.
So, it was probably added to second Peter , and most Scholars don't believe that second Peter was written by Peter anyway .
I would suggest you search YT for Paul, false Apostle and search the internet for Paul versus Jesus
Because of Paul's word salad, 99.9% of christians, will not be saved
@johnmann8659 2Timothy is a forgery
He never claims to have physically seen Jesus.
huqoq elephant mosaic (lord of the horns, calf, tusks, elephants = Abraha =
Conan the tiberian = Ophiuchus, the sea-traveller = Sandokan )
So the Servant Songs in Proto-Isaiah were believed to be added later. So who wrote those supposed Messianic prophecies if not Isaiah?
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Man, i defintely disagree about Jude and Revelations. Those books warn about things Paul does not and Revelations goes contrary to A LOT of new testament teachings and smacks of old test doctrine, not new test. James is an epistle promoting Good Works theology.
oh. I see my mistake now. never mind.
6:33 So Paul falsly uses "Was seen by" or he lied?
There can be no doubt that Paul had his understanding of Christ, and that his perspective was such that he became the Apostle to the gentiles to a much greater degree than Peter.
But it is confirmed in the writings that Christ's Apostles who knew Him on earth considered Paul a legitimate Apostle to Christ's message.
Personally, I am much more concerned with the Gnostic teachings of Augustine which permeates current Christian theology.
Everyone accepts Augustine's thoughts on original sin, Atonement, the nature of God, Mankind and Covenants.
All Augustine's theology from my study of scripture are heresy.
I am not saying everything written by Augustine is in error. Only his understanding of Christian basics.
29:00 well, there is the didache as well, ehich is likely older than the epistle of james.
He said accordingly to scripture. Which scripture. Because Isaiah is not talking about Jesus.
Can scholars determine the order in which Paul's letters were written?
Dr Tabor did James teach the same things in the same way Paul taught the Galatians or the Corinthians? I don’t think so. I say 2 completely different religions. What say you?
False!
@@williamacuff7707 how so? Gonna take a better argument
They are not the same because James was NOT teaching PAUL’s gospel. Paul’s gospel was not Jesus’ gospel.