How Paul Created His "Gospel"
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- In this video I reverse the normal argument that Paul inherited the fundamentals of his "Christ Message," from the Jerusalem Church, and then adapted and refined it for his mostly Gentile followers.
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Evangelicals (I was one) have no good answer, for why 90% of Jesus’s teaching was about how to LIVE, while 90% of Paul’s teaching was about BELIEVING in Jesus’s death and resurrection, and NOT about that 90% that Jesus taught His disciples.
The answer is that Paul had lived with most of the communities he wrote to, and they had seen firsthand how the teaching was lived out. Paul did not need to reiterate all of Jesus' teachings on daily living, for that is what the Holy Spirit does individually for each disciple (and the gospels already did so). "Trust" is a more appropriate translation of "pisteuo" than "believe," for the Spiritual Life must be lived in continuous trust of the Lord rather than mere intellectual assent. Paul's letters explained the secrets of what God had done in Messiah Jesus, since Paul was more Scripturally erudite than any of the other apostles. What has been compiled in the New Testament is what is necessary for the establishment and edification of the communities, but the Holy Spirit leads each disciple/congregation into all the truth they are willing to receive. Be blessed.
@@emmanintz6448 That’s an interesting answer, but not a GOOD answer, as I said before. Jesus spent 90% of his time (as I said), teaching the nature of the Kingdom of God, and how to live in it; IOW, stuff to DO. Paul either ignores, or didn’t know about, all that Kingdom teaching, and anything concerned with works at all, of course.
Even his practical advice, such as Ephesians 5, doesn’t have the character of Jesus’s ethical teaching. It has a provisional, temporary quality, while Jesus preached the imminence of a new order, with new rules, so to speak, that would NEVER end. His ethics is by way of conforming one’s values and actions to this new reality, NOW, so one is ready when it comes, soon, and comes to stay.
However, your comment on trust vs. faith (the latter, as the assent to certain propositions ABOUT Christ), I DO appreciate, but for a different reason:
This error about “faith” is indeed the source of a HUGE problem with Biblical (vs. Catholic) faith, from the beginning. IMO, this is the cause of the endless schisms on the evangelical side, way before there were “Protestants”.
If I’m saved by believing the right doctrines, that’s still something I DO, and I can’t fellowship with you if your set of doctrines differ, because it’s a salvation issue. But if I despair of doing ANYTHING myself, whether working or assenting, to be saved, but REALLY trust only in Christ’s works, in an existential way, not just as one more doctrine, then your differing doctrines are no threat to me, if you have the same trust.
Perhaps I’m preaching to the choir in your case, but I’ve never met an evangelical at any level of authority who got what I just said, not really, not in a sort of red pill way, that I only saw myself, decades after leaving evangelicalism.
Thanks for your comment.
I have thought for a long time that most of what we all Christianity should really be called Paulianity.
I am certain that without Paul, Christianity would not have taken off in the Mediterranean region and would probably have been just a sect of the Jewish community.
@@christopherdaffron8115That was actually archived by the the Constantine, the Sun worshipping emperor.
Rastas believe that Paul is a usurper who’s role was to diminish and deter the church from following Peter, whom Christ refers to as “the Rock on whom I will build my church”
Maybe yah our heavenly father has allowed it to B the way it is and must show are selves approved perhaps searching praying fasting asking questions
Me too. Jesus didn't teach to believe in his resurrection. That's Paul.
I can listen all day to James talking about Paul.
What if Paul just realized that he couldn't destroy the Jesus movement from the outside, so he set out to destroy it from the inside?
I think that's a compelling theory and I've wondered about it a lot. But if that were true, he would have misled a lot of Jews to stop observing the Law. I'm not sure he would have been okay with that, but who knows. Regardless, it seems he had some kind of strange motive.
False!
And what if was successful to this day.
See the fruits of Paul today 2 billion + beleive in Jesus because God use him to reach all the none Jews.
replace Jesus movement with Roman empire
I don't follow the Imposter Paul.
Please do a lecture on the beliefs of the Jerusalem branch. In going to go read James now.
the claudian branch (nicolaitans), at the right-side of the Huqoq elephant mosaic.
Sharp observation!
The gospel of Jesus and of Peter were similar to each other but Paul's was different in a crucial way. Again, teaching from synoptics is confusing and misleading to potential converts who understand that they are different. Better is the "Roman road".
tT have his thesis taken seriously, Dr. Tabor needs to reference some peer scholars that have written published papers on the Gospel of Mark being couched in Pauline Christianity (i.e., illustrate that other scholars see credible linkage)
The problem is that it is only the Book of Acts that mentions Paul outside of Paul's own letters, so the author of Mark doesn't explicitly make any mention of Paul.
Everybody would have been looking to the Hebrew Bible to see if/how Yeshua was in some manner presaged in that body of scripture. And the suffering servant motif of Isaiah is a rather obvious place to go to to mine.
Consequently, it sits as speculation to make the inference that Mark based his theological take from Paul but for whatever reason was too embarrassed(?) to actually make mention of Paul(?)
@@edwardwalsh5477 how do you think Paul's gospel was different then Peters and Jesus's?
Paul had no gospel but was preaching by the Holy Spirit. It's all Jesus's
Where do you find in scripture, these assertions? I'll try to answer, nevertheless.
1) Gospel is neither Hebrew nor English but a transliteration from Greek. Often translated by the phrase, "good news" which is a general term. Thus, Gospel is just "good news" like when Peter was caught up from drowning when he prayed "lord Save me" and when the Hebrew children survived the fiery furnace etc. Very different content these two places but both "good news'. Also consider Noah's salvation (good news) by his following God's direction to build an ark. To know what the content of a gospel is, read the record. Paul's gospel begins to appear in Acts (13?) and continues minimally with I Cor. 15:1-4. This record is not the same as Peter's (gospel of the Kingdom). Read it in Acts 2 and up thru Acts 8. Simple.
2) Paul's preaching may have been Spirit driven but was actually the mission (good news) of the Lord Jesus for the world by Paul. Read about that in Acts also. Chapter 9, I think - his conversion included Jesus' plan for Paul - to go to the World and reach the ones not yet confronted by and offered the salvation by grace that was Paul's unique message to his unique mission field, the world.
The differences are critical; misunderstandings and misrepresentations have caused much confusion and grief within most Christian preaching and teaching. The "Great Commission" has been replaced by Jesus' words from heaven to Paul. Redeemed persons have been transformed by God's Holy Spirit and, according to Paul (Eph. 2:8-10), challenged to a mission of reconciliation (between men and between God and men), fulfilled by the Church; not by Kingdom living. That (Kingdom) offering by God was suspended after 3 years of Jesus' ministry plus 1 year of preaching by Peter et. al. the end of which is marked by the stoning to death of Stephen.
Trust yourself to read, study and (by God's Holy Spirit) understand these things because God took the trouble to inform you. Don't disappoint Him.@@JakeLeidahl
You're great, thanks for starting your channel and putting out so much content lately. I had the pleasure to meet you in 2008 in Israel when I was a student of Dr. Arav excavating at Bethsaida. I have never ceased studying this sort of material. You are a model to me of how to be a clear and patient thinker, and the fact that I can play these videos and hear your calm voice and well-considered presentations of things adds something very valuable to my life, so, just saying THANK YOU for the work that you do and making these videos for everyone.
It took awhile , but at one point I'm my spiritual grouth I understood that I didn't want to see my GOD THROUGH ANYONE'S EYES BUT MINE .
Incorrect!
Can you trust your eyes? Who is "your God"?
@@melanie_mouse my God is the whisper I hear in the morning when I wake and when storms of this life are approaching .
And what makes you think your eyes are trustworthy? And why's the veracity of Paul's Apostleship coming under attack? Because TRUTH is under all-out attack...... As an "awakened" new ager I dissed Paul (once or twice) thinking I knew better, but now I'm BORN AGAIN I see better..... I SEE he was full of the same *Spirit* filling me. And that's ALL I need to know about Paul: that he was anointed by *Holy Spirit* (which testified of Jesus through him). Paul was appointed by *Jesus Himself* and HE don't make mistakes.
@@SpiritLevel888 that is great, have a good life .
Thank you Dr. Tabor. So very helpful!
Satanic!
This is an excellent series. Thanks for posting.
I watched both videos twice. It is so interesting. Thank you, Dr. Tabor.
Dr. Tabor very well put. Thank you professor. I have just about all of your books. We all need to learn this history.
My stepson also hears Jesus. He just got out of the psych ward after 2 weeks.
Has the psych staff gotten better?
Excelente, magnífico.!!!
Very good exposition, thank you for sharing with us.
I graduated from Rio Grande Bible Seminary 1982, then study in another school in Mexico City and also concentration in Bible at Taylor University but they never taught me what I've been learning through James Tabor and other historians and philologist in the last 4 years.
Your learning lies!
@williamacuff7707 Bill, you insert a comment in just about every thread with "false". You're not doing any good with that. With a couple of sentences, explain your position on this and have a dialog with people. Otherwise, be gone.
@@williamacuff7707 Got some evidence?
Very interesting presentation. Thank you!
I totally love listening to your studies !
I have to watch it two times and the second time I was talking notes, it's so good.!!!
False belief!
It's really not.
He s a modern liberal Bible critic, people like him have been knocking Scripture it the last 2000 years, Tabor makes wild claims. God s Word is forever settled in Heaven. tabor will stand before Christ one day.
I have read "Paul and Jesus" twice. I feel that you have the most reasonable perspective on Jesus and the original sect(s) that I have come across.
Satanic!
It's really not. I encourage you to also read the early church fathers. Start with Polycarp who was taught by John. Don't rely on this guy.
the real profane historical story (claudian history) gives the best perspective.
Great stuff, Dr. Tabor.
Also, I recommend "Jesus and Paul" to everyone interested in the history of the Bible.
Thank you, Sir, for continuing your important work. I really appreciate it.
Your name has chapel in it. How does that work when you don't believe the Bible is from God? Important work? It's blasphemy
James, this is so good I have just listened twice. And might listen again!A lot in a concise way thank you! When do you think you might do the Mark course again with live Q&A?? And I am definitely looking forward to the Paul course. I wonder if you would consider doing discussions of these issues with John Dominic Crossan? Id love to hear you both in dialogue. So grateful for all your knowledge and you using your retirement in this way to share it further! Warm greetings from the UK
Brilliant analysis. I did read the book (Paul and Jesus), and I really enjoyed it and recommend it.
This is exceptional ❤
Pitiful!
@@williamacuff7707 Are you just trolling?
I have gone through your Mark course and your Dead Sea Scrolls course and I am very much looking forward on your Paul course. Thanks so much
I have just ordered the Gospels Parallels by Throckmorton on line. I thank you for your efforts and to share your work with us.
Me too!!
Whoa, James! This is big. . . I've been a student of the Christian Scriptures for 60 years and what you are laying out here -- that Paul is not passing on what he received from the apostles but what he received directly from Jesus-as-the-Christ -- seems to me to be one of THE most significant tectonic shifts in interpretative practices.
Thank you!
Now I have to go back and read the Gospels all over again with this POV. . .
Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord
Fragment 6
"Mark having become an interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatever he remembered... for he neither heard the LORD, or accompanied him"
"Matthew put together the Oracles... in the Hebrew language"
The Muratorian Canon
Fragment I
"Luke... when Paul had taken with him as one zealous for the law, composed it in his own name, according to belief. Yet he himself had not seen the LORD in the flesh; and therefore, as he was able to ascertain events"
"The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples. To his fellow disciples and overseers, who had been urging him [to write]."
The Jews essentially did what they always did, kill someone for not following commandments. End of story. Beyond that, it's all fiction. All made up by Paul. Paul authored the majority of the NT, trying to convince people that Jesus was the Mosiach, and the Jews somehow got it wrong. The Jews got it right.
Mark was the first Gospel written... 40 years after the death of Jesus.
The original account in Mark (Codex Sinaiticus) is virtually identical to the account in the Ethiopian NT. Mary went to the tomb, an angel told her that Christ had risen... THE END. The witnesses were added into later versions.. KJV. Then, Mary and the disciples were the only witnesses, AND none of them even recognized "Jesus"... he manifested in a different form. (Mark 16:12).
Matthew was written two decades after Mark... Matthew 28:17 when they (11 disciples), they worshipped him: but some doubted. (Mary doesn't see Jesus, in the book of Matthew, just the 11 disciples). Luke was the next gospel after Matthew, then John. The accounts get embellished, as time goes by. Jesus eats ("proof" he physically resurrected, and the disciples didn't see a ghost/spirit), (doubting) Thomas touches his wounds (the gaslighting of the non believers). Paul goes on to say there were 500 witnesses.
The resurrection is the foundation of Paul's religion, literally.
I Corinthians 15:12-15
If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised;
And if Christ not be raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised the Christ.
15:19
If for this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
Christians are followers of Paul and his gospel. Paul never met Jesus, unless you take his word for his encounters. Paul openly murdered the followers of Christ. He had very little association with the apostles or their teachings.
In his own words.
Galatians 1:11
But I make known to you, brethren, the gospel that was preached by me, that is not according to man;
1:12 for NEITHER RECEIVED I IT FROM MAN, NOR WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION OF CHRIST.
Romans 3:7 for if the truth of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16... I am crafty, and caught you all by trickery
Acts 12:23 and behold the hand of the LORD is upon thee, and thou SHALT BE BLIND, not seeing the sun for a season.
(Jesus, healed the blind, love your enemies, turn the other cheek.
Matthew 7:18-19 beware of false prophets... YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.
24:45 For many will come in my name, saying "I am the messiah" and they will lead many astray.
24:23-26 if ANYONE says to you "look, here is the Messiah"... DO NOT BELIEVE IT.... For false Messiahs and false prophets will appear, producing great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the very elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So if they say to you "look here, he is in the wilderness" do not go out. If they say "look, he is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
John 16:10 I go to my father, and ye see me NO MORE.
16:28 I leave the world, and go to the father.
17:4 I have finished the work, which thou gavest me to do.
14:19 a little while, and the world seeth me NO MORE
18:36 My kingdom is not of this world
14:2 I go to prepare a place for you)
Acts 9:3 suddenly there shined... a light from heaven
9:5 I am Jesus, whom thou prosecutest
9:9 and he was three days without sight.
Acts 23:11 the LORD stood by him and said "Be of good cheer, Paul: as thou hast testified of me...
And if you beLIEve Paul's encounter with Jesus, you have to subscribe to 'Jesus' causing Paul to go blind... the guy who healed blind people, and taught people to love their enemies, and turn the other cheek.
Acts 20:9 and a young man... who sat in a window... as Paul discoursed...fell down from the third story, and was taken up dead🤔
20:10 but Paul went down, and fell upon him and embracing him said: be not troubled; for his life is in him.
20:12 and they brought the young man alive.(WOW, a convenient "accidental" death, and resurrection "miracle" at the hands of Paul)
(Ye shall know them by their fruit)
Acts 18:12-18 Paul's false teachings get questioned in a Synagogue, the gentiles (Greek), that accompany Paul, beat up the head of the Synagogue.
Acts 22:3... being a zealot for God, as all of you are this day,
Acts 22:24 I persecuted this way even to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women
Acts 20:26 I solemnly affirm to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all.
1 Corinthians 9:20 I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to those under law as under law, NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER LAW, that I might gain these under law.
9:21 to those without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain those without law.
9:22 to the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: TO ALL I BECAME ALL THINGS, THAT BY ALL MEANS, I might save some.
20:23 AND ALL THINGS I DO FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL.
Romans 3:7 for if the "truth" of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16 NEVERTHELESS, I AM CRAFTY, AND CAUGHT YOU ALL BY TRICKERY.
The guy is admittedly a murderer, liar, deceiver, telling people what they want to hear, causing harm to others, clean of the blood of any wrong doing, while preaching to everyone that are going to reap what they sow. Claiming his gospel is inspired by God, and not by those who were personally with Christ on a daily basis.
PAUL'S GOSPEL
CANNIBALISM FOR IMMORTALITY
John 6:53 Jesus said.. Except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day.
6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
CHILD SACRIFICE FOR IMMORTALITY
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of the blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness.
JESUS S(L)AVES
I Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh
I Timothy 6:1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name, and our teaching may not be slandered.
Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything...
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart...
@@kathy1154 you've copy pasted this comment repeatedly to different ppl. It's a forgery and spamming
Dr. Tabor, you've nailed it almost perfectly!
However I think Christianity only goes back as far as Paul. What preceded him in Jerusalem and among the Jews was Nazorean Judaism led by James, Peter, and John. After all, we read in Acts 11:26, after Paul had been preaching his gospel for a month, that the townies of Antioch started calling the assembly of disciples "Christians" for the first time (except in the earliest Greek manuscripts it reads "Chréstianos").
@edward I agree with you...I believe that xtianity was the white horse of deception
There seem to have been some traditions that Paul quotes that he had clearly learned from other Chirstians, though.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Jesus did not float up into the sky. Christianity arrived in Britain in the last year of Tiberius, brought by Joseph of Arimathea and his family so, Christ must have been with them. Paul visited Britain. The remains of a church dated to the 1st century are still discernible in South Wales: named for St Peter (founder). Monarch of Britain at that time was Bran ‘the Blessed’. The principle language of the Britons two thousand years ago was Cymraeg (Welsh) - ancient Assyrian speech. YMA O HYD ! … and - William Blake knew this history: he also knew that there was no such place as ‘England’ back then.
@@megw7312 "Jesus did not float up into the sky." - Right.
"Christianity arrived in Britain in the last year of Tiberius, brought by Joseph of Arimathea and his family" - Nope. It did not.
"Christ must have been with them." - Nope.
"Paul visited Britain." - Nope.
"The remains of a church dated to the 1st century are still discernible in South Wales: named for St Peter (founder)." - No, this does not exist. There IS a ruined MEDIEVAL church which has been given this name, but it is not 1st Century.
"The principle language of the Britons two thousand years ago was the Brythonic language which gave rise to Welsh, Cornish, Bretton. Manx - it is nothing to do with Assyrian.
"William Blake knew this history: he also knew that there was no such place as ‘England’ back then." - Blake had a vivid imagination and also believed he had been given his plate-printing process by an angel. So . . . nothing to be taken too literally.
England is a country named after the Angles and the idea of England was born in the 7th Century.
@@megw7312Why are you speaking like any of that is remotely true and that Joseph of Arimathea was a historical person? These are medieval legends.
This is beautiful. It makes sense that it is only in retrospect that one can fully appreciate the full value of an experience. Paul ,a credited scholar, was indeed the last and completing puzzle piece in the presentation of God’s revelation to the world; a revelation the former disciples couldn’t fully grasp while Jesus was with them. Long live Jesus Christ!
O my Eloheinu !
Really ❓
I believe you missed something bro!
False!
😮how????
He admitted to having a thorn at his side, a messenger of Satan. How can a house be divided against itself?
Brilliant, Dr. Tabor! 😃👍🏽🙌🏼
Brilliant at BS. In listening there are so many biblical errors that cannot respond to each one. The professors of Jesus's day were just as evil as this testimony
Your videos and lectures must not disappear after youre gone.
Hes teaching me keys now and how to open our understanding by using building blocks of all correlatiing scriptures
Fascinating. I subscribed.
Thank you !!
Looking forward to the Paul Course!
Deceived!
Paul never met Jesus unless you want to believe the story on the road to Damascus
Explain , you do not?
Paul doesn't even tell the story about the Damascus road. That's found in Acts, not any letter from Paul.
1 co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptise but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect
@@Ibelievethegospel Germanicus never saw Nerones , but he met the swan-clan on his way ( huqoq elephant mosaic ; YT )
William Blake, ‘And did those feet…?’. Answer: Yes!
Joseph of Arimathea brought his family to Britain in the last year of Tiberius -36-37 a.d.
Where, in the Bible, are the witness testimonies that describe Jesus floating up into the sky?
Ergo, the Christ would have been with them. Paul did visit Britain and William Blake knew this history.
Informative, interesting and elucidating
Revelation 22:14
King James Version
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Test revelation.
HalleuYah
When I first realized this I was very afraid. But it's not actually even bad news. All you have to do is go back to Jesus, not Paul.
Be merciful to those who doubt
Jude 1:25 😊
Confused!
@@williamacuff7707 where did I lose you.
@@williamacuff7707If you saw a chicken or goat being sacrificed to a statue of Satan, would you eat it? I would not, even though Paul says it's ok. Peter and John say it's bad to do that.
The icing on the cake of your podcasts! Much appreciated. Layne
Considering that I've never heard anybody ever claim that Paul got his gospel from the other apostles, this "icing on the cake" podcast seems to be refuting an argument nobody's making.
...playing 'The Gadfly', Why should we accept that Paul (nee; Saul of Tarsus) would have been able to Recognize the Jesus whom Paul NEVER Met in Life -- and whose life was Ended several (4- to 7) YEARS Prior to the "Pharisee of Pharisees" vaunted "Road to Damascus" experience ?
It's not like he'd have had access to- (or kept) a "WANTED -- DEAD or ALIVE" poster for the capture of Jesus bar Joseph -- with a reliable 'head-shot' of the 'Outlaw'...or got to listen to recordings of his Sermons to familiarize himself with the itinerant preacher's voice- or speech mannerisms.
Indeed, of all the 'Church Founders, I would regard Paul's "Vision/Hallucination" claims to be the LEAST-Reliable -- for he would have No'Eye'-/'Ear-Witness Basis for 'validating' the Bonafides of the entity he'd perportedly met aloft...
I mean, Jesus H. Christ...it coulda been SATAN in Shape-Shifter mode -- or the Spirit of one of the other ancient "Dud Meshichim"(*) sufferers of "Jerusalem Syndrome"..!
(*) I hope I got the tense- & form correct.
Nathanael saw the dream of Jacob (dioskuroi, the ascending and descending angel) what equals having a Vision being on the road like Jacob. Nathan ben Nathan (zacharias barachai) was then promised ; he would see greater things
then these (these are both his sons the boanerges, the 2 sons of Zebedee), the
greater 'thing' is his grandson ; Chrestos .
You believe lies!
Have your day of mocking Scripture, judgement is coming for you.
To put the pieces together, "ye must be born again." That born of flesh is flesh, that born of Spirit is Spirit.
Paul and Jesus completely preach a different theology, reading in reverse with simply get what you want
Beautiful, Beautiful exegesis, Dr. Tabor! Such a clear, clean layout into Paul’s thinking. I read your book “Paul and Jesus” over a decade ago, and I was happy in learning then how the idea of transubstantiation came directly from Paul’s reception of the words of the Lord.
But later, I wandered off in thought thinking Paul may have acquired such language from a Mithraic rite or another early 1st century mystery religion. But I no longer think that because, as you pointed out in this fantastic video, Paul is so Jewish in his development of Christ Jesus especially using language from Isaiah. Is there anything that your keen insight into the culture of Paul’s time and travels, whether it be Roman, Greek, Galacian, et al that Paul gave is unusual words and rite of Christ to his followers from a non Jewish Gentile culture? PS I’m signing up for your course on Mark, and I’m so long forward to your course on Paul !
great presentation and so clearly you've accomplished massive scholarship on this topic... amazing! But I have a huge question: e.g. at 22:24 where you say the substitutionary death concept/dynamic/ came not from Jesus but from Paul. i guess my question ranges between didn't it all come from God and Christ and the Holy Spirit, in that we are speaking here of that which all the heroes of faith of the Hebrew Scriptures as outlined and emphasized in Hebrews 11, were longing toward, longing for, something God (and thus Christ) knew very well, as they had orchestrated this all from the beginning, no? i feel like I am perhaps missing some level of meaning you are referencing, some large dynamic? If you're saying that, oh yes, of course everything comes from God and Christ and is prophesied in the Tanakh, but whose "mouth" did this substitutionary death concept come out of? But, I'm clearly missing something because not only a huge mass of the Hebrew Scriptures, and all the laws of sacrifice of blameless lambs and goats, specified as dying for the sins of the people like in the Day of Atonement, all are presenting the concept over and over of the substitutionary death, no? And then Jesus would say stuff like....even as Moses lifted up the Serpent that all who looked at it would not perish but live... in his famous conversation with Nicodemus. Forgive my redundancy... and probably if i'd have been following your teaching or books more (i've really only listened to you in one or two at the most youtube presentations over the decades) i would not be asking my, therefore stupid at worst, and redundant at best, questions? Again, thanks for your amazing work on these deep things of Scripture!!!
Heaven is Within
Because you said so?
I HAD A VOICE IN MY HEAD THAT SAID, I AM AS A NAN AS YOU , FROM THE WAIST UP, SHALOM
REVELATION 2:17, I RECEIVED A WHITE STONE, AS IT JUST MYSTERIOUSLY APPEARED IN MY KJV BIBLE, SHALOM
JOHN 14:26
I RECEIVED A BIBLICAL MESSAGE 5/22/2020, STARTED NEW JOB AT DOING THE LORD’S WORK, SON OF MAN, FEEDING THE HUNGRY, SHALOM
I WAS DIPPING A PIECE OF BREAD INTO A BOWL OF OLIVE OIL, THEN MY HAND JUST WENT DOWN ON THE EDGE OF THE BOWL, THE OIL SPLASHED UPON MY FACE AND HAIR, I HAD KNOWN OF QUEEN ESTHERS FASTING, SO I RESEARCHED THE HEBREW TRADITION OF ANOINTING, SO I THEN WENT THREE DAYS NO FOOD OR WATER AND ANOINTING DAILY, AS I BELIEVE GOD ALMIGHTY ELOHIM, HAD A HAND IN THIS HAPPENING, SHALOM
Very informative and in my opinion, very true! Dr Tabor is the greatest academic scholar on Paul. 😊
Lie!
BRILLIANT!
Wow. This is an amazing video Dr Tabor. Bringing so much together thank you and I think makes a LOT of sense. Thank you so much for all the videos you post for free. So helpful for those of us trying to exit dogma and fundamentalism.... and also now hooked on this very cold case! Your being able to see where Paul getting his theology from in the Hebrew Bible so helpful. I would very much like to dissect Mark more and plan to do your course
Pivotal... Amazing work, Dr Tavor
GREAT teaching! The feeling i have about paul is that he never followed Jesus or converted, but that he was stil doing the job he was hired for, which was to erase the teachings of the jesus movement from this planet.
Persecution did not work, so maybe he changed his way by inserting fake information instead. Making him a deceiver..
We now all know how deceivers work.. since we all run into it online... if someone points out very often how much you can trust him .. then he cannot be trusted..
So do you ascribe to the idea that Paul was an agent of the Roman empire?
Precisely. Very well stated.
@@jamesdewane1642 i see no reason for romans to hire paul...
The teaching of jesus were annoying to Jerusalem religions, Jesus never said a bad thing about roman religion to convert/correct those..
Maybe the later gospel writers were roman based.
And tbh.. if you read the old testament, it states that god told the Israelites to kill false prophets... so they were in that way correct for having Jesus killed..
But i just know that those things can NEVER have been said by God, but were added later to control the people through fear...
The fear of being killed is even greater then the fear of being send to hell after you die...
@@larryp6671 thanks for your reply,
The fun thing is that the whole bible tells us itself how it works to make people go wrong.
Israel was the chosen people to bring misunderstanding into this world, a book as a fruit from a tree to follow personal sexual drifts instead of listening to God's own communication of good and evil, wich is that we feel bad when we observe injustice.. and feel good when justice is observed.
There is a promise to what happen when letter are added or removed... and it did happen, so things have been added and removed to the teachings about God.
But where the eastern religions are missing information to become false religions, the abrahamics used adding lies to protect the Truth missing in the rest.
1 and 1 is 2.... and you understand where the whole freedom of choice goes bad, all choices are based on the past.
But if you let God guide you, the choices will be based on the future. and when you know the outcome of things choices become very easy to make.
Yes, Israel is the chosen people, but for misunderstanding and evil, and only the ALLknowing can justify that....
Don't really see the point of planting fake information when it spread Empire wide regardless
Dr. Tabor estelar presentation, only touched softly on the surface of mystical life of Paul who, as it has been suggested by many authors, that Paul was an adept and practitioner of MERKABAH Mysticism.
Suggested without any real evidence.
ELKANAH , AL QAVA, Dhul Qarnain, Cornelius, Mercurius, Zorro
@@willempasterkamp862 ?
@@BarbaraDiederich-ut8zg Aramaic/hebrew kanah translates as Zeal, Horn, Elk, Elph-bone, Ivory (elkanites = ebionites). Elkanah, the Lord of the Horn (teacher of rightiousness) overlaps with Robin Hood (magic horn), Pied Piper (magic flute), Conan the barbarian (cone = horn), Cappa, cap, hood, hat = lid cover. Canna = container, jar, vessel; the groom of Cana is Paul = Drusus germanicus II = Cornelius the shiny Unicorn, the twin-father (Twin = Calf, 2 horns or tusks). It helps when you're familiar with the huqoq-elephant-mosaic what gives a clear oversight. Anyway it all overlaps : Sandokan, mithras, helios, elias = Paul = Zebedee = Ophiuchus = Santiago = James the Just. Possible ; supposed overlap with Merkabah ? Idk, how ?
Just searched Merkabah : the 6 pointed star of David : overlap with the 6 empty jars (nicolaitans = claudians), 2 triangles overlap with the Twin (ascending and descending angel) ; I'm convinced this is conform the ideologistics of the NT.
Jesus said you must be born again (John 3:3). Peter said you must be born again (1 Peter 1:22,23). Paul said you must be born again (Romans 8:9). Sounds like the same gospel to me. Ezekiel prophesied about it in Ezekiel 36:25-27. Have you been born again? I have, it's great.
AMEN
Of course, you assume that you know what Jesus meant by being born again. But your interpretation has been shaped by Paul’s gospel. However, that is not Jesus gospel and, therefore, not what Jesus meant by the term.
I enjoy the Didiche. I like the Nazarene way. I love God🕊️💚🙏☘️
The Books of the Bible rearranges the NT books, and I found that very enlightening. However, the idea is that Paul acquired his gospel from Jesus independently of the 12 and later on went to the others who verified that he was preaching the same thing. Their gospels were probably somewhat influenced by hearing his version, but they already had the same gospel anyway.
"died for our sins" should say died because he was drawing crowds and exposure to himself for his interpretation of the Torah and the prophets.
Lie!
Im.now in Ephesians 4: 4 teaching the " One body , One Spirit and One calling " series .
The book: Mark the Canonizer of Paul basically has this same theory. Written by Tom Dykstra. It seems like it should become the prevailing theory, it’s very convincing. Thanks Dr. Tabor.
Can you offer a suggestion for a good work for the amateur that deals with the twenty years or so between the resurrection and the time of Paul
Paul was converted possibly as early as three years after the death of Jesus.
Germanicus predates the 'revivendum' of Nerones, the gap is on the other side
(earlier) of the 'event' .
I haven't read it yet, but Bart Ehrman has a book on Jesus before the gospels which I think deals with this as well. Also check out his TH-cam channel. But basically I think it is a black hole. Bart has also done work on oral transmission of stories, the science of what happens....plus what happens when a cult prediction fails? Basically the cult doubles down... comes up with ideas to explain it all ... New predictions....Paul is the version that succeeded
But also see what Tabor is saying re the Jerusalem followers of Jesus - book of James, the Q source. The material common between Q and Gospel of Thomas, so called common sayings source
Paul preached by the spirit of God, Jesus!
Last night's Final Jeopardy question was about a Shakespeare play and a letter of Paul. I wonder if Dr Tabor would have had the right answer (in the form of a question, of course).
Confusion!
21:00 when this individual is apparently spoken of, I would like to parallel to Galatians 3, specifically 3:16 and 3:29 where he says:
3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”meaning one person, who is Christ.
3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Also, to tie it together Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;
Thank you for this brilliant presentation Dr. Tabor. You answered some big questions here. I’m wondering though, what is your opinion on Josephus and Paul being the same person? I just studied that theory and now after hearing this, wondering how that would fit, if it were the case. There’s some very obvious resemblances of Josephus and Paul., some that are so close you just can’t ignore.
Germanicus = Matthias = Paul ( James the Just )
Claudius = Joseph of A. named Justus ( brother and successor of germanicus )
now read Joseph ben Matthias ( FJ ) as successor and not as 'son' of a Mathan.
False!
What will they make up next? In regards to Paul you do realize he died around 62-64 ce and that Josephus wrote much after that. There is zero similarities between the men except they were both Jewish and intelligent. This whole thread is full of ppl making stuff up
@@JakeLeidahl Germanicus = Helios, Elias. not making this up ; there is a Heli, Mathan and Joseph in Jesus gospel-geneaologies.
@@willempasterkamp862Willem thank you for the information. I'm not sure how it relates to the original comment except I believe you are trying to say that Matthias was Paul. Matthias and Paul are 2 different ppl. James the just is not Paul or Jesus as it's very clearly written in scripture. Paul warned Timothy to stay away from ppl who make endless arguments about genealogies and don't do the work of God. We are called to feed the hungry, help the poor and not go in endless debate like this professor is instigating with his nonsense
I've read where Peter, James and John claimed that Paul was wrong in his preaching, and at one of the times Paul came back to Jerusalem, they made Paul take a Nazirite Vow, and admit his preaching was wrong. In a few of Paul's letters (I cannot recall which ones) he references those who were causing "his" churches to not follow his preaching. Not by name, though; "they mean nothing to me." Paul got a bit "hacked off" about this. I have no solid basis for this, but I think the "pillars" of the Jerusalem church was the thorn in his flesh. I would think with "his" churches "unfollowing" him would be seen as a thorn in his flesh. Or in more current vernacular, a pain in the ass.
Read that closely in Acts. Paul did not fulfill, finish the vow…
@@miryamnae2164 you are against Paul because you are against his message. Peter, John and the disciples are preaching the same message although Paul understood the Jewish scriptures better then most having been a Pharisee and well studied
@@JakeLeidahl Paul's expertise on Judaism is independent from the fact that he and his created religion are false. He simply, and falsely inserted Jesus into the Mosiach/son of God role, in order to create a new religion.
The Muratorian Canon
Fragment I
"Luke... when Paul had taken with him as one zealous for the law, composed it in his own name, according to belief. Yet he himself had not seen the LORD in the flesh; and therefore, as he was able to ascertain events"
"The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples. To his fellow disciples and overseers, who had been urging him [to write]."
The Jews essentially did what they always did, kill someone for not following commandments. End of story. Beyond that, it's all fiction. All made up by Paul. Paul authored the majority of the NT, trying to convince people that Jesus was the Mosiach, and the Jews somehow got it wrong. The Jews got it right.
Mark was the first Gospel written... 40 years after the death of Jesus.
The original account in Mark (Codex Sinaiticus) is virtually identical to the account in the Ethiopian NT. Mary went to the tomb, an angel told her that Christ had risen... THE END. The witnesses were added into later versions.. KJV. Then, Mary and the disciples were the only witnesses, AND none of them even recognized "Jesus"... he manifested in a different form. (Mark 16:12).
Matthew was written two decades after Mark... Matthew 28:17 when they (11 disciples), they worshipped him: but some doubted. (Mary doesn't see Jesus, in the book of Matthew, just the 11 disciples). Luke was the next gospel after Matthew, then John. The accounts get embellished, as time goes by. Jesus eats ("proof" he physically resurrected, and the disciples didn't see a ghost/spirit), (doubting) Thomas touches his wounds (the gaslighting of the non believers). Paul goes on to say there were 500 witnesses.
The resurrection is the foundation of Paul's religion, literally.
I Corinthians 15:12-15
If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised;
And if Christ not be raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised the Christ.
15:19
If for this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
Christians are followers of Paul and his gospel. Paul never met Jesus, unless you take his word for his encounters. Paul openly murdered the followers of Christ. He had very little association with the apostles or their teachings.
In his own words.
Galatians 1:11
But I make known to you, brethren, the gospel that was preached by me, that is not according to man;
1:12 for NEITHER RECEIVED I IT FROM MAN, NOR WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION OF CHRIST.
Romans 3:7 for if the truth of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16... I am crafty, and caught you all by trickery
Acts 12:23 and behold the hand of the LORD is upon thee, and thou SHALT BE BLIND, not seeing the sun for a season.
(Jesus, healed the blind, love your enemies, turn the other cheek.
Matthew 7:18-19 beware of false prophets... YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.
24:45 For many will come in my name, saying "I am the messiah" and they will lead many astray.
24:23-26 if ANYONE says to you "look, here is the Messiah"... DO NOT BELIEVE IT.... For false Messiahs and false prophets will appear, producing great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, the very elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So if they say to you "look here, he is in the wilderness" do not go out. If they say "look, he is in the inner rooms, DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
John 16:10 I go to my father, and ye see me NO MORE.
16:28 I leave the world, and go to the father.
17:4 I have finished the work, which thou gavest me to do.
14:19 a little while, and the world seeth me NO MORE
18:36 My kingdom is not of this world
14:2 I go to prepare a place for you)
Acts 9:3 suddenly there shined... a light from heaven
9:5 I am Jesus, whom thou prosecutest
9:9 and he was three days without sight.
Acts 23:11 the LORD stood by him and said "Be of good cheer, Paul: as thou hast testified of me...
And if you beLIEve Paul's encounter with Jesus, you have to subscribe to 'Jesus' causing Paul to go blind... the guy who healed blind people, and taught people to love their enemies, and turn the other cheek.
Acts 20:9 and a young man... who sat in a window... as Paul discoursed...fell down from the third story, and was taken up dead🤔
20:10 but Paul went down, and fell upon him and embracing him said: be not troubled; for his life is in him.
20:12 and they brought the young man alive.(WOW, a convenient "accidental" death, and resurrection "miracle" at the hands of Paul)
(Ye shall know them by their fruit)
Acts 18:12-18 Paul's false teachings get questioned in a Synagogue, the gentiles (Greek), that accompany Paul, beat up the head of the Synagogue.
Acts 22:3... being a zealot for God, as all of you are this day,
Acts 22:24 I persecuted this way even to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women
Acts 20:26 I solemnly affirm to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all.
1 Corinthians 9:20 I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to those under law as under law, NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER LAW, that I might gain these under law.
9:21 to those without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain those without law.
9:22 to the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: TO ALL I BECAME ALL THINGS, THAT BY ALL MEANS, I might save some.
20:23 AND ALL THINGS I DO FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL.
Romans 3:7 for if the "truth" of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged a sinner?
2 Corinthians 12:16 NEVERTHELESS, I AM CRAFTY, AND CAUGHT YOU ALL BY TRICKERY.
The guy is admittedly a murderer, liar, deceiver, telling people what they want to hear, causing harm to others, clean of the blood of any wrong doing, while preaching to everyone that are going to reap what they sow. Claiming his gospel is inspired by God, and not by those who were personally with Christ on a daily basis.
PAUL'S GOSPEL
CANNIBALISM FOR IMMORTALITY
John 6:53 Jesus said.. Except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day.
6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
CHILD SACRIFICE FOR IMMORTALITY
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of the blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness.
JESUS S(L)AVES
I Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh
I Timothy 6:1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name, and our teaching may not be slandered.
Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything...
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart...
@@kathy1154 there are so many false statements in the book you just wrote to me and much of it is copied word for word from Ehrman. I'll correct you on a few things but won't get to every mistake.
We can date that Paul was in Jerusalem and converted by 36 AD. Scholars agree on this based on contextual evidence in Acts. Creeds existed before Paul was converted. That's immediate high Christology.....the disciples proclaiming Jesus as deity and risen.....and other witnesses. The muratorian canon is a testimony to the early church recognizing 22 of the 27 books......you have all the gospels and Peter proclaiming Christ. It didn't prove any point except what we know that Luke was investigating and talking to eye witnesses.
All the gospels were written before 70 AD in the life time of the disciples. Mark could be as early as 40-55 AD and he was likely writing for Peter who died around 64 AD. Throughout Mark it has high Christology and professed Jesus as God (even if skeptics try to argue this). Mark ends with the resurrection of a Jesus and ppl seeing Jesus alive......you are not proving your point. Yes the Bible tells us why the 2 men on the road to Emmaus didn't recognize our Lord and Savior.
You falsely claim and lyingly claim that Paul is the only person preaching the resurrection of Jesus. THEY ALL WERE! Peter refers to Paul as a wise and beloved brother.
As you should know Paul was among the strictest of Pharisees studying under Gamaliel.......he agreed with killing Christians. You lied when you said that Paul killed Christians as their is no verse that says that.....but Paul stood by while Stephen was stoned for saying Jesus is Lord. And Paul persecuted Christians for about 2-3 years until as he says he met Jesus on the road to Damascus (and others witnessed it)
Christianity took off as Jesus did rise from the dead and is Lord. Paul was a faithful servant of the King
And yes the same man that healed the blind got Paul's attention by blinding the Pharisee. You are more blind then he was
Thank you Dr Tabor. I like your approach to the Christian origin and your insights on how Paul was really the founder of Christian theology as we have it today. Bart Ehrman hasn’t caught up to your sophisticated and keen study of Paul. He is stuck in neutral and still favors the idea that Paul was only repeating what he received from people before him. If that’s the case then what was his gospel really about. Bart Ehrman would say all he did was to take that which he received to the gentiles. That’s not what I would call a ‘gospel’. That’s just a mission. I just hope Ehrman would catch up.
The real gospel, as clarified by Jesus over the last 100 years, is not Christianity as Paul interprets it. Jesus is not God. We are not saved by a substitutionary sacrifice. See James Padgett.
Does anyone know, does Dr. Tabor treat the subject of where paul got his gospel in 'paul and jesus' or 'paul's ascent to paradise?' thank you
His surpassing revelations were by the POWER of the Holy Spirit , not " ideas " abba showed me the in Ephesians 3 last Christmas , i was posting it on facebook and i said " hold on ! I just have to stop and praise the LORD while reading ephesians 3: 17- 18 . The next day i find out , there are " glory " places is in scripture where you literally stop and praise the LORD !! I was astounded ! The Holy Spirit was teaching me Himself ! I did it and THEN confirmation . This us what happened to Paul ❤ His prayer totally matches Fathers prayer in gethsemane ❤shalom !
Historical Context of Paul's Revelations:
How do we reconcile the claim that Paul's gospel came directly from revelations with the historical context in which he was writing? Could cultural, religious, and societal influences of the time have shaped his revelations?
Comparison with Contemporary Jewish Thought:
In what ways does Paul's interpretation of the suffering servant in Isaiah align or diverge from contemporary Jewish thought? How might differing interpretations affect our understanding of Paul's gospel?
Authenticity of Paul's Claims:
Given the absence of corroborating accounts, how can we assess the authenticity of Paul's claims of direct revelation from Jesus? What methodologies can historians or theologians use to validate such claims?
The reason I’m not convinced that 1 Corinthians 15 refers to a vision is as follows:
- It refers to an order of events: first Cephas saw Christ, then the twelve, then the 500 etc.
- This would be very easy to confirm, or, more importantly, _disconfirm_ if Paul happened to be wrong. So if Paul was consciously making it up, he risks ridicule when the ‘real story’ comes out.
- If it came to Paul purely as a vision, it would be a remarkable coincidence if the vision just happened to match what actually happened, or was thought to have happened.
- If Paul already knew the party line, and claimed to have had a vision about it, that would make perfect sense - but Paul would not be the origin of the information.
- If Paul meant 'received' as something akin to ‘was taught’ (or, as I think, 'was told and accepted as true'), that would also make perfect sense. Paul was human, and therefore probably not 100% consistent. What he meant by ‘received’ is likely to change both for reasons of convenience, and because some years had passed between Galatians and 1st Corinthians.
Don't fall for this lie! Paul spoke by the Holy Spirit from Gods, Jesus's mouth!
As I read the gospels, I feel the Lord I feel it coming in as I read anything from Paul I hear the law and not the love
Galatians, written by Paul, is exactly the opposite of what you just said. It’s about how the law is a curse compared to the grace of Jesus
Then you don't understand the gospel. Paul lived the gospel preached the gospel. Wrote the gospel.
The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord. You don't see love on that written by Paul in Romans 6? Jesus saving us from the penalty of sin? You've missed the entire gospel if you don't see the good news in Paul's writings. It's all he Wrote about.
@@michaeltheservant which he pounds down. Feels like I’m learning mathematics from my gym coach.
If Paul could use Isaiah to formulate suffering servant theology, why could the historical Jesus not done the same? It appears that the teacher of righteousness frequently used scripture to explain his mission 100 yrs before Jesus. If Jesus used scripture to explain his mission and John the Baptizer before him, it would appear that Jesus and Paul both used Isaiah to explain the movement whether it was handed down from the Jerusalem church or not.
Your lost!
Could you explain Isaiah 53? Jesus wasn't using Isaiah .......Jesus gave Isaiah the message to write and Jesus predates Isaiah and all of us. As Jesus said "before Abraham, I AM" meaning Jesus is God and Jesus is the Lord of the Angel in the OT.
I understand your comment that if Paul was lying how can this nonsensical professor not just claim Jesus was lying. Obviously I believe Jesus is the truth
"Such things are an allegory." - Paul -
"Let us leave behind the principles and doctrines of Christ and move on to perfection." - Paul -
"Christ learned from the things he suffered."
Esoteric Christianity:
Gnosis:
God = Life
Jesus = Humane Humanity
Christ = at One with Life
Empty of ego (separateness) = Full of Life
Holy Spirit = Eternally actualizing Infinite potential
Your confused!
@@williamacuff7707 Let those with the eyes to see and ears to hear do so.
Oh my darling Clementine
Read the letters of Peter. He talks of the anti-Christ appearing in visions but not in the flesh.
He was talking about Saul.
Yes, but this was not Peter writing.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu that's possible
So, you think the antichrist appeared to Paul and the result was that Paul turned from his persecution of Christians to spread the Gospel throughout the countries he visited, converting pagan Gentiles to believers in Christ - all while suffering imprisonment, indescribable torture, and eventual martyrdom? Right ... of course ... everything Paul did pointed people to Christ, but, you know, it was actually the antichrist. That makes so much more sense.
It is possible, with all respect to Paul, that his Christianity is a horrific distortion of Jesus. It seems, at times, that Paul was the one who crucified Jesus when he gave us ‘his gospel.’
Peter would not shake hands with a devil genius. Read Gal 2. They shook hands. Also ready 2 Peter 3:15-16.
God made Him a scapegoat, who never scapegoated others, so that we would know that is how we sin, by scapegoating.
Indeed. Paul saying that "Christ died for our sins" is inadvertent evidence that that the idea came from him. The Hebrew Bible or Old Testament, clearly states, "No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them."--Psalms 49:7 That, of course, is long before Paul, who ended up preaching the reverse; and it also fits with Mithraism, the pagan Persian cult, the Roman center for which was in his wealthy hometown of Tarsus. Paul also almost certainly borrowed the Mithraic, symbolic-cannibalistic rite of the Lord's Supper --a name which the early church fathers found so offensively pagan and mystical, they changed it to the Eucharist.
@mahlonmarr856 - Why are you saying that the "idea came from Paul" ?
Jesus said, "This is my blood in the New Covenant which is shed for many, for the remission of sins". (Matthew 26:28). Psalm 49:7 is talking about "corrupt" human beings like you and me, a "sinner" cannot die for another "sinner". The Old Covenant says that the Passover Lamb had to be be SPOTLESS & WITHOUT BLEMISH.
That is talking about "God in the flesh", Jesus, who is SINLESS and who is the LAMB OF GOD.
Jesus also said, "even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28)
So no. Paul didn't come up with that idea, it is as old as the Old Covenant is.
Paul preached the truth of God, Jesus!
@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms As Dr. Tabor points out, Paul was earliest and influenced Mark, which in turn influenced Matthew and Luke.
@@mahlonmarr856- Right, and I bet you believe that the so-called "Dr." Tabor actually lived back in Paul's day to verify that huh ??
@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms
If you don't at least respect Dr. Tabor, why are you here?
Paul required his followers to give Paul all their money...
The story of "god" striking followers dead is pretty horrifying... it is in Paul's writing Acts 5:3.
Paul wants power, like many modern day Gurus.
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"For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ." Galatians 3:11-12
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Maybe Paul knew that there was a group of God fearing gentiles who already believed in YHWH and the coming Messiah and basically was like if he's the Messiah then we know a lot about what he's coming to do and knew all the old prophecies and went to the those God fearing gentiles (syblists) and preempted the religion.
Wrong!
Why would he do this if Christians were being persecuted? There would be no benefit for him.
@@user-hx9uw5zd9k christians weren't persecuted when he went in the 50s and started all the churches. And then wanted taxes from them.
@@williamacuff7707 how so? Why was there discord between Paul's theology and yeshuas teachings?
@@kydenj28 Paul said it himself. He said he persecuted Christians. Then Jesus spoke to him and said "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"
I have been under the impression that Paul made up his message, and then later interpreters scoured the OT for any verse that could possibly be twisted to fit the narrative. I shall have to reassess.
Paul was a gnostic
Honestly, I think that’s the elephant in the room that many (Christians and some secular scholars) overlook about Paul. He’s CLEARLY a MYSTIC! Paul’s interpretations of the Hebrew Scriptures are from a mystical or celestial perspective and applies those archetypes onto Jesus.
" what is to be of his followers who synagogue on Shabbat & congregate the first day of the week to eat the flesh & drink the blood of their GOD. Those cannibals" joke perpetuated against Gsus followers by the first generation deniers
@jasontaylor657 It is the big elephant in the room that many don't want to bring up because the gnostics understood paul the best, and the ebonites understood The 12 Apostles the best.
False!
Do you think it just coincidence that Constantine supposedly had the same experience as Saul did on the road to Damascus? Pail admits that he was a Roman, and there are some who say he killed James. (Stephen) He seemed to be at home when he spent over 2 years with Felix.
@sandyaaron9624
Wandering into myths instead of sticking to what is written would only affirm Paul's writings (2 Timothy 4:1-4). If he was at home with the Romans, then why did they kill him?
@@johnmann8659 Read Psalm 34-21 Then there's this:
Acts 22:27-29
New International Version
27 The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?”
“Yes, I am,” he answered.
28 Then the commander said, “I had to pay a lot of money for my citizenship.”
“But I was born a citizen,” Paul replied.
29 Those who were about to interrogate him withdrew immediately. The commander himself was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains.
@@sandyaaron9624 What’s the connection to Paul in Psalm 34? Paul was beloved (2 Peter 3:15-17).
@@johnmann8659 Paul was in constant conflict with James who was head of the church in Jerusalem, and the brother of Jesus. Paul was a Roman infiltrator of "The Way".
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@@sandyaaron9624 Paul = James the Just and due to his ambition his 2 sons (stephan and the 'lord'' ) were both martyred .
So, it began with Paul feeling inspired to write about the Jesus phenomenon, and Mark and the others were compelled to add their points of view? Or were the gospels amended and edited later to correlate?
Paul's preaching is the preaching of God, Jesus!
Or some of both.
Is it possible that Paul would spread his story about the Last Supper - (his version of it), while the disciples were still alive and could say: "I was there at the time. It wasn't like that at all!"
Paul being follower of GIMMELL and studied in more depth than most common Israeli men. All boys studied for their bar mitzvah. Most understood the Tenach and only needed a few words to see what the words SCRIPTURES used by Jesus was referring too. You can see how confused they still were even then. If several of the disciple followed John they may have more essence teachings.
I think Paul was very equipped to get revelations that Pharisees and Sadducees were blind to because of the doctrinal traditions they were entangled with.
Faith was important attribute to Noah and Abraham. It is critical.
Very enlightening. Thank you, Dr Tabor.
This explains Mark's mention of Isaiah in Mark 1.2 (a passage that a later copyist "corrected"). The author of Mark must have been a disciple or convert of Paul, who got his gospel from Isaiah.
Taking "Christspiracy" into consideration you are spot on James Tabor
what actually happens Ana chronologically is that your assertion that Paul's letters comes first is a monument to 30 years of dishonest history, political subversion and academic mal practice.
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This seems as revealing as people saying to me that I walk backwards through life when actually I just wear my clothing backwards.
“Unless you believed in vain,” an implied Sunken Cost fallacy, which Paul uses elsewhere, too.
False!
1 Corinthians 15:14-18
he appeared to me" in a vision. Paul didn't actually see Jesus.
Lie!
Just let your heart cry out for Jesus, just say Jesus with all your heart, he's coming, you'll see!
Paul was a Roman agent and false apostle (as noted in Revelation, that contradicted John, Jesus, James, and Peter. He infiltrated the true ekkelsia with the pagan ideas of Rome which made their way into the gospels which were written by unknown authors after 70 ad.
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2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who was taken up to the third heaven fourteen years ago. I do not know whether the man was in his body or "OUT" of his body, but God knows.
Having had plenty of oobes during this well-aged life, including some extraordinary ones at that, I can personally attest that it was OUT! It was Paul's etheric body, astral body, spiritual body, pneuma , whatever your semantics, whatever you want to call it. Regardless, it's the REAL you, the real me, the real Paul, the real EVERYONE. The earthly body is not. It's an illusion, here today, gone tomorrow, and it's impossible for it to enter, OR SEE, into the HIGHER densities in which there are MANY mansions. Paul's physical body remained on this Earth during the experiences he described. His spirit did not. Likewise with visions, you are not seeing with your physical eyes. You are looking THROUGH them with the inner eye, THE SINGLE EYE... you know, that very one if dark perceives GREAT DARKNESS. I've seen light brother, and it is BEAUTIFUL.
Paul said it was a vision didn't he?@@williamacuff7707
29:00 well, there is the didache as well, ehich is likely older than the epistle of james.
What do you think the Servant Songs are really about? One verse says "he was cut off for the sins of MY PEOPLE." (Isaiah 53:8) Who are "my people"?
I like to think that maybe the deeper meaning of this is a redemptive power of suffering. That we can save people by caring about them and not always demanding our own rights. So it's fundamentally about compassion.
Did Paul source the Septuagint or the Torah in Hebrew?
Could Paul have had an experience with the logos or mystery deity
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Does anyone else suspect that the so-called love chapter in First Corinthians was copied, not written, by Paul? Sort of like the the divine emptying hymn in Philippians. Are there any linguistic clues that point to a pre-existing hymn to love as there are for a pre-existing divine emptying hymn?
Really interesting idea
Confusion!