This should definitely fall under a recall. It's a design flaw in the engine and not the result of typical wear and tear by the customer. The company should be held responsible. It's disgusting that aren't being held responsible but instead forcing the customer to foot the bill. I'm a Ford guy but this is just unacceptable. Definitely making me change my mind on future purchases. Great video! Thank you
I think the reason it isn’t is because it lasted so long. Need to be a class action lawsuit like with the Chevy dod/afm to get them to do something/ compensate the owners.
Whew, glad I found this video. I'm seeing early signs of this issue in my 2017 FE... How in the world does this NOT fall under a "Recall" ... Ford should cover this!
@@FortniteGod-nm9ns We sold our 17 MKC with only 34k miles 2 years ago. Started getting misfire code. Would suggest getting rid of this pile of Ford junk asap.
Many other manufacturers use this kind of steam management, but the Eco-Boost has just too little "meat" for the gasket to seal. Ford should help these customers.
As a Ford technician well over half the Escapes, Fusions, and Edges I do long block and short blocks with 2.0 and 1.5 are warranty. Ford is trying to clean it up at least that's what we are told. They screw us on the warranty time. So the customer isn't the only one suffering because of these engines.
@@Silent_Shadow My 2016 Ford Edge has a crack in cylinder one. Technician said need a new engine and Ford didn't help at all. Still runs so tomorrow I will trade in for something better than Ford.
Had Ford stood behind our Fusion we would probably be driving it today and buying future Fords, but they did not so now we drive Toyota and will be buying Toyotas going forward so what is better Ford eating the cost for a bad design and keeping a customer or making the customer eat their mistake and losing future sales? Too bad Ford Toyota loves you:P
You scared me a bit. I have a 2 liter '15 escape 216,769 miles still runs good but i think it needs the intake cleaned like you showed. Thanks for all the great info.
Thank you Brian, I always look forward to your videos. Being a tech myself, when ever I have a Ford in my stall, its nice to know that I have a solid source for good Ford info.
Thanks for this video Brian! I have a 2017 Escape 2.0l with 30,000 miles. Owned since new. Oil changes every 4k-5k miles and tranny dump-n-fills every 15k miles. I was hoping to keep it for a long time. I'm selling this sucker and not waiting for it to fail outside of warranty time.
thanks so much also showing how they fixed this issue in 2020 with getting rid of the slit between cylinders.... everyone is screaming how bad the eco boost engine is (and the old design is) but no one is saying it was fixed in 2020
Just got my 2018 Escape back from the dealer with a J2GZ 6006 E replacement engine. Car had 53000 miles on it. Thank goodness for that extended warranty!
I'm happy that I have a 2015 Fusion Titanium 2.0 Ecoboost (since late 2018). The 2017 model I looked at was just too much money, so I bought a 2015. Good thing I didn't buy a 2017 one, seriously. At 8 yrs old my Fusion currently only has 47k miles and is in excellent condition overall. So far I'm happy with it.
Thanks for showing us the difference between the old and revised blocks! I have a 2018 with 62k and so far it hasn’t went out on me… YET. But it will so it’s nice to know what to look for in the replacement engines.
For a second there, I thought you filmed this video yesterday, that is my exact car with the exact mileage and the exact same problem cylinder number three ugh! It is at the local Ford dealer right now. Getting a new engine put in it covered by warranty thank goodness, at least now I know the problem will be fixed, thanks for your very informative video. You helped to put my mind at ease. Thank you.
These continuing quality control problems is why this life long Ford customer bought a new Lexus GX. I miss the days when some of my old Fords would easily hit 150k miles before its first proglem would surface.
I've been busy replacing engines at my workplace. After I finish this Transit 3.7L V6 engine replacement, I've got my third 2.0L to replace this month.
2014 Fusion 2.0 ecoboost: noticed burning coolant smell and running slightly hot. Discovered coolant level was 1.5” below max. Then noticed some white smoke smells of coolant in exhaust when starting cold. Oil smells a little more gassy than I’ve ever noticed, but no signs of coolant in oil, no sign of oil in coolant. What can cause this? What can I do to confirm what the issue is? Is it safe to drive if I keep levels topped off? 143k miles.
I got my 2017 Escape in June of 2016 and just hit 22,000 miles. Being 72 and retired, it could outlast me anyway. If not, I live in Chicago so I might look you up!
Issues like this should be covered regardless of miles/age! It’s obviously a design flaw, why should the customer have to pay for Ford’s poor engineering. I’m actually a Ford guy but this type of thing really gets me pissed!
I dumped Ford. I still have my beloved edge in my garage that gulps coolant. Ford told me to pound sand since it's out of warranty. Totally wrong. I'm a toyota gut now. All my toyota friends always told me my engine would blow one day. It did!
Great topic. This is a very true issue for all the manufacturers. We get calls on the dps6 daily. Tried the dorman control moduels. That is so true. You will definitely put 2 to 3 of them on before you get a good one. Recently been buying good used. The supply chain issues are definitely hurting the whole automotive repair industry and the quality control of aftermarket parts is lacking.
I bought 2017 edge with 80.000 miles, at 83.000 miles the check engine light come on, and the coolant level was below minimum. The dealer scan it and found misfire in cylinder #3; coolant intrusion. Thank God I took an extended warranty (3 year’s). Right now they are installing the new long block on it.
It's one after another in my shop, there are 3 of us just doing various engine replacements right now. It really sucks for the cust because it's taking a while for the engines to arrive.
Thank you for the info, I’m not a mechanic but I’m trying to learn how to do this myself. Know it’s not the best thing to do but it’s my only option currently my warranty ran out a month b4 the transmission went and I had it fixed for 6grand then this happened and it crushed me after spending that much on repairs. I do not have enough money to fix the car in fact I still owe on it, and it’s annoying, I’m paying thousands for a car that’s not valued more then a grand. I can’t work full time or maintain a job without a car. It has kept me up at night for almost a year now. God Bless you for your generosity!
I recently diagnosed a 1.5L EcoBoost and found cylinder #1 with coolant intrusion (it leaked so bad to the point where the spark plug ceramic cracked in half and turned dark orange) . I would agree with you that the majority are #2 and 3 coolant intrusion. You can usually see a mark on the block or head gasket itself.
@@Bills96TA sorry, I was talking about the 1.5L EB 4 cylinder. I had to replace a 1.5L EB 3 cyl as well, but because the oil pump belt broke internally, the engine seized on the customer.
This "design flaw' goes back to at least 2014, as I am watching a video right now showing it in the 1.6 4 cyl. This is really unbelievable... and the Ford dealer sold this to us, 10 years old, knowing this issue existed and said nothing. Now it is swallowing coolant like crazy.
My 2018 Ford Escape with a 1.5 liter went out after 50,000 miles. On 6/16/23 Ford put in a new engine. Ford gave me 3 days of reduced rental fee but the new engine didn’t show up for 5 days so I had to pay for a total of 5 rental days at 30 dollars a day. Ford rep said that they may be paying for these additional days so hang on to your receipts for a possible Ford reimbursement. Ford did the right thing.
It not necessarily the engineering. I was a master tech at Lincoln Mercury in the seventies and some genius Ford accountant/ cost cutter decide the drilled hole in the connecting rod on the 2.0 L engine could be eliminated saving a manufacturing operation and a few pennies per engine. Unfortunately that hole lined up with the crank journal oil hole and lubricated the cylinder/ piston skirt on every revolution. I lost count of how many scored piston skirts I saw. I had a pile of them after warranty repairs with " DRILLED" replacement rods and pistons.
Thank you for sharing this information. My wife's 2018 Ford Escape 2.0, 37,000 plus miles is doing fine but I plan on trading this in 2023. She wants another Ford Escape 2.0. Thanks
great video after multiple searches. I have a 2018 ford escape titianium with barely 61K and the engine light went on a few weeks ago. Just did local driving but the last few months I have been running the car hard almost 100 miles per day up in the mountains of pa. My son noticed the coolant dropped. He's been working on cars a few years and put 2 and 2 together. I have an appointment next week at FOrd and am dreading the thought that I will have to eat a 4-8K bill. I have had 5 Fords my entire life and will not likely purchase another. I will definitely join one of the class action lawsuits pending .
These turbo engines are great at generating power since there are no V6s due to emission mandates. However, turbos and turbo chargers add more stress in these smaller engines. I avoid turbocharged or supercharged engines, that extra power is not worth the headaches or the cost of ownership.
The brighter the bulb burns, the shorter it lives. You can use CGI blocks, forged cranks, moly rings, and more, but we're at the point where we're asking too much from these little engines. Dial all of them back to sub 200 hp and they'll all live much longer.
I looked at them, but I need something that I can haul stuff with, and that sandbox is to damn small. Worthless vehicle. If four doors are more important, then just buy an SUV.
@@scrambler69-xk3kv I had a 2019 full size Ram pickup truck before this Maverick. For me, I don't pull or haul anything other than some mulch or a power washer. This little truck works great for me. I get your point though👍
As we speak the 2.0 eco boost on my 2017 Edge is being replaced with only 45k miles on it. Luckily it is being covered by warranty. I hope the new long block being installed is the improved design.
I've contacted the dealership an spoke with my parts rep as well as the service manager and according to them the service engine for 2017 is the same engine it has always been they do not show a revised or updated part number. This is my concern. I saw the end and heard the updated engine but do you have to buy a service engine for the newer model vehicle and will it go right in or are other parts/ changes needed to make it work?@@jasonbrushett2005
Thank you for an excellent explanation of what the cause of the problem was and how Ford fixed it. I also had that intrusion issue but caught it early enough that Ford had to cover the cost, but I always wondered until now what the cause of the failure was, and how it was fixed, and your video explains it well. I'm guessing that the new engine shown in this video is the one that they put into my 2017 Edge. Thanks, as always, for a great video.
@@ranckie5055 I wouldn't count on it. When they replaced the engine on my '17 Escape, I asked the technician if Ford actually fixed the problem or do they just hope it doesn't happen again before the warranty expires? He just smiled and said "We hope so".
Reading the TSB you showed only list the Edge up to year 2018. Do you know, did the 2019 Edge go to the new thick wall design? Really appreciate all your videos and information you put out on this, I forward to all my friends that have these engines.
Going through this exact issue right now. 7 year old car that cost 40 grand, Now They want to replace the motor, NEVER EVER AGAIN will I buy another FORD ......
I watched your videos on the maintenance and issues with 2013 Escape's 1.6L motors and 6 speed transmissions. I bought my FWD 2013 Escape new. I currently have 97000 miles on it and never really had any issues until recently with the transmission making a noise on hills after 2 second or third gear [might be the transfer clutch] and had no warning lights. I had the transmission serviced unfortunately for the first time [i was under the impression that it could not be serviced] at a local FORD dealer in hopes that it would fix the issue. They performed the service and also found that it needed a low fuel flow sensor after a computer scan. $850 dollars later I still have the noise. Yesterday I added 12 ounces of Lucas transmission fix, and the noise is better but haven't tried starting out on any hills yet. I have also been noticing that the coolant level seems to go down over time [weeks/months] and I add coolant to keep it filled. This is our second car now and it only gets driven on a couple of 20-mile short trips every week. I have learned a lot from your videos and probably could have done the transmission service myself. Oh well, too late now as they say. Thanks for providing me and others with all of this valuable information regarding this model year Escape. My question is should I just keep the Escape until it has some major failure to the motor or transmission or sell it now while it is still running and can get some value for it???????? Please advise and I value your opinion. Thanks Rich
Our 2017 2.0 Escape failed 4 weeks ago @ 52K miles. It had a week left on the original power train warranty. Coolant in cylinder 4. Had a misfire on 4 at 40K, but only once. No issue found then. No white smoke. The failure was an instantaneous dead misfire while on the highway doing 70 mph. No light at low throttle, but light would illuminate with any medium acceleration. Ultimately it would only do 50 mph as I limped it back to the dealer. Ford replaced engine and it’s great now.
I've been a long time Ford guy and have bought many Ford trucks and cars over the years, but just the other day my wife's 2015 Edge blew the head gasket and we were told they have to replace the long block, after dealing with my last F-150 with the 5.4 Triton 3v and timing issues I'm done with Ford !
What sucks is Ford didn't recall of these motors once the flaw was determined. Ford should make it right for all of these owners, or at least meet them halfway, or provide the engine custy pays for the labor.
Ford has a reputation of not recalling a damn thing unless people are killed (re; Pinto). And even then they’ll rather go through the lawsuits as their been-counters determined that dealing with lawsuits from fatalities was more cost-effective than the cost of recalls. Dodge is no better- they outright screwed owners of RAM 1500s with the 4.7 OHC motor (which I owned at one point) which was a magnet for head gasket and electrolysis issues resulting in coolant intrusion and premature engine death. They (Daimler-Chrysler at the time) let the lawsuit drag out until Cerberus (the hedge fund group that bought out Chrysler), which resulted in all the class action lawsuits going poof. As a result, everyone with a bum engine was stuck with no recourse. I’ll keep my Crown Victoria Police Interceptor over any new Dodge or Ford product.
@@blue.5058 Lifelong Ford guy who has a love and hate relationship with Ford. I daily drive a 2011 Grand Marquis. Never get rid of the Panther. You won't find a new car that checks the boxes that these cars do. The rest of my Fords are all old, mostly 80s with V8s. I'm really sickened at what every manufacturer is putting out these days. They all have a slew of problems caused by .gov standards and stop gap measures.
Bought a Ford extended warranty on our 2015 Edge once I heard of this problem. We have the 'Cleveland' engine that is supposed to have this engine. So far no problems with 65,000 miles.
I've done 3 of these in the last month. 2.0s all in Edges. Longblocks luckily. Had a run of 1.5 shortblocks there for a while so I'll take a few longblocks lol
2014 Fusion 2.0 ecoboost: noticed burning coolant smell and running slightly hot. Discovered coolant level was 1.5” below max. Then noticed some white smoke smells of coolant in exhaust when starting cold. Oil smells a little more gassy than I’ve ever noticed, but no signs of coolant in oil, no sign of oil in coolant. What can cause this? What can I do to confirm what the issue is? Is it safe to drive if I keep levels topped off? 143k miles.
@@LiterallyJesusChrist you need to. Verify what cylinder(s) are/is misfiring and pressurize the cooling system and check to see if coolant is leaking into that cylinder.
@@LiterallyJesusChrist You gotta remember that these are direct injected boosted engines with low friction piston rings so, as weird as it might be to hear, that's normal. I would be willing to be if you let the car sit for longer than usual, like a day or more, it would stumble on a cold start. Is there a check engine light on? Pay close attention the next time you start it cold for even a little tremble, I'm betting you'll feel it. The coolant leaks are usually minor enough to where it will burn away when it's started up. The only time I've seen the coolant and oil mix in these cases are when the car sits outside for weeks or longer waiting for parts and the coolant runs by the piston rings into the oil pan.
Holy cow, today, May 12, 2023, I was just informed by Ford that my 2017 Ford Escape 2.0L, ecoboost needs a new engine. Thanfully, I have the Ford ESP Premium and all I have to pay is a low deductible. I had no clue this was a problem with these vehicles.
Good video , I see, I've seen this in tractors and small engines as a dealer a few years ago, thin material actually between cylinders and pushrod gally always blew out and lack of head bolts in that area of coarse ,.....
My 2017 Lincoln MKC had the same issue. It was water intrusion into cylinder 2. It had around 55,00 miles when it started to have symptoms. It received a new engine already.
My 2014 Focus ST had about 187k miles when it suddenly started losing coolant summer of 2020. I had to fill it almost completely every other day. If I had known what the issue was for sure & that there was a definite fix, I would have loved to keep it. My main concern was paying for a new engine to just have it happen again. I'm fairly sure the dealership would've just put the exact same model as the one that went bad, & I'd have the same problem in the future. So I went from a car I loved that was paid off, to a new one. Settled for a simple naturally aspirated 6 cylinder in hopes of keeping any issues to minimal headaches.
I have a 2018 Ford Fusion 2.0L ecoboost with a misfire in cylinder 2 & 3 with only 27.5k miles that is less than 6k a year and dealing with this issue.dealership only offered a 3 year - 30k mile warranty..replaced spark plugs and coil in cylinder 2 and played around with cylinder 3 to see if it was any other cylinder but problem stayed with cylinder 2 and 3 after all the tests...this should be Fords problem not mine....should count towards the lemon law
Thanks for this video, this is exactly what I have going on, every thing you said to a T is exactly what I observed. Thanks greatly for your information!!!
I have escape model from 2017 but the production date on the plate is 04/2016. Will this also apply to me? because the video says 2017-2019 but this includes the production date or model year?
This is why you keep doing research on your car and learn about these things. The guy could have sold his car a little earlier if he knew he had the bad engine. I try not to make this mistake anymore. I always do several youtube searches on my used cars before I buy them- and even years after I've been driving it- I search for issues. When there is a common issue, it will be obvious by all the videos made about it. I did this for my sisters car before she bought it -- it was a 2011 Chevy Cruze-- and I begged her not to buy it; I showed her all the different problems with it, but she bought it anyway. A few years later, she blew the motor and had a knock in the engine. Somehow she got a savior from heaven and a car hit her Cruze parked in a parking lot -- and they totaled her car. lol.. So she got paid in full, even though the engine was already toast....... so what does she do then? Jumps right back into buying a slightly newer blazer with nearly 200k miles on it -- from a predatory car salesman for something crazy like $19k with all the financing. smh. I can't help her, she's on her own.
Sounds just like my sisters lol. Asks for my opinion, do all this research for her or vehicles she was looking at. Ignores everything I show her and buys it anyway. Car dies and now she’s stuck with a payment for a car that’s going to cost 1,000s to fix. 🤷🏼♂️
@CANADIAN UKRANIAN Eco boost engines are fine if you just get passed their issues. "Fordtechmakeuloco" channel is a Ford guy who is very good at showing the issues with the eco boost and how to fix the issues. I think he said just avoid the 2007 all together though-- it's fricked. lol
Sounds like a democrat voter, lol. Back to topic, it’s easier to buy something like a corolla or civic. At least Honda & Toyota attempt to learn from prior mistakes, and have engineers that know how to design & construct a vehicle.
@@disgracebook5708 Preach. In early 2020, I bought a 2002 Acura MDX, 3.5L Honda engine, AWD, fully loaded, 3 rows of heated leather seats that fold down flat, heated mirrors, moon roof, auto dimming rear view mirror, nearly new tires all around, zero rust, zero dents, and not a single drop of leaking oil anywhere under the entire car. It's in incredible shape with only 155k miles, and I only paid $1700 for it off of some rich kid on FB marketplace. lol. They had it marked for $4500, but I guess I was the only one who kept texting them about it; I just kept offering him $1500, almost as a troll, and I never expected to get it-- but then after 2 weeks, he just texted me '$1700 is as low as I can go" -- lol.. SOLD!!! I have closer to 170k miles on it now, and it has been a flawless car. I love this thing... Other than that, I have a 2002 F350 7.3L diesel, 6spd manual, 4x4 with 340k miles and it's probably the best truck Ford ever made, and is still going strong. So I've done really well with my car choices; My sister and my mother are the complete opposite.
@Helicopter Dad! The ranger has the cross drilled block, not the problematic slit block. www.therangerstation.com/ranger-tech/ford-ranger-2-3l-ecoboost-introduction/
Just had a friend with this failure. As a long time Volvo fan, I see where they pulled some of this design from Volvo, IMO. Those 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engines suffer from this same failure. The 2.3 has thicker cylinders and is stronger even being open decked. Some have shimmed between the cylinders. The cross drilling solution is cool though.
That is alot the old chevy vega engines design that caused coolant usage problems ( back in the 70s). No turbos back then, that is why they did not grenade sooner. History repeating itself.
good to see they are finally updating the 2.3 to basically be brand new. would have been interesting to see/hear that running with the misfire and or white smoke. do the 2.3's blow up from too much coolant getting in the bore and hydrolock which then bends a rod/windows the block?
@@dlewis9760 Bingo. All of this is due to government screwing with good things again. Name me one problem they ever solved that wasn't their own making. (we could shorten that to "name me one problem they ever solved")
I made a post about this happening to me...... update: 2.0L eco boost, i had the head removed and cylinder 2 and 3 where clean as can be and blew the piston rings off cylinder 3, remind you it only had 27k miles....dealership would not do anything to help so i went to another ford dealership more respected and was able to get the new engine and seals for 4k with a core exchange of 1k so 3k. Had a buddy install it for $800 So the thing about recalls are the from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), to get a recall, we need everyone to report this issue to them
What did ford expect, the upper cylinder pressure is flexing the bores . If you look closely at the head gasket you can see that the where the bore is moving against the head gasket.
@fordtechmakuloco I have a 2017 2.0L ecoboost that is throwing a misfire code P0302. Once every 5 cold starts, it runs rough for a few seconds and then runs like a champ there after. Over the 8 years of owning the car, the coolant has needed a top off twice as it was a touch low in the resivor. It doesn't smell like it's burning coolant and I do not see white smoke. I watched your other video with the ST 2.0L and you said carbon buildup can cause a issue with misfire. Would that carbon buildup issue only cause a few seconds of a misfire?? I have changed the plugs and the coil on that cylinder. Thanks for the detailed videos.
First off I want to thank you for all you do for us Ford owners. I currently just sold my 2020 Escape for 22 Ford Bronco Sport Badlands with the 2.0. Is the newer block Incorporated in the Bronco Sport Badlands?
This is very valuable information for those who are looking to buy a used Ford with the 2.0L turbo engine, so they'll know what they're getting into. And BTW Brian, could you please tell us, your audience, how much $$$ one of these replacement "long blocks" sells for? Just so we'll know how much it'll cost when this problem arises. And thanks, great video!
I have a 2017 ford escape eco 2.0 I have 146,xxx I haven’t had any issues other than having to replace my wiring harness , imma have to look at the date mine was made.. bc this makes me wanna trade it in!
FWIW my 2.0L 2019 Fusion is in the shop right now (awaiting parts, of course) for coolant intrusion Nice video with the three CAD versions to show how the actual problem came about and what the fix was.
So I just purchased my lease 2019 escape titanium . Had no choice. But I do love the car. Is this inevitable? And is there anything I can do before it happens. Thanks for the great videos
Brian, would it be a benefit to proactively change the head gasket and inspect for the 2.0L Ecoboosts that aren't leaking yet? My daughter's 2015 Edge has 80,000 miles...thanks
Thanks for a great explanation of this issue and showing the new block design. I've seen one TH-camr suggest that the 2.0L engines that have the coolant intrusion issue were the one assembled in Cleveland, while the Valencia engines seem to be fine. What are your thought on that?
If they all have the issue.. why is the 2017+ only mentioned here, when in a previous video and now here you’re saying they all do. I have a 2016 Valencia 2.0, thought I was good now I see this comment… hmm 🤔 😢
That slit between the cylinders was visibly a potential point of failure just looking at it in the drawing. I’ve always wondered if engine start/stop thermal cycles would expose a weak engineering design such as this?
Not much time nor temperature shift in the duration sitting at a stop light. Start stop sucks though and I'd bypass it on anything. I can afford the miniscule fuel consumption to keep my AC running and my engine cooling consistently on a hot day. I'd rather not change starters more often and put more wear on the engine bearings from starting it constantly. It's a stop gap measure like most of it to keep within the government mandates. They don't give 2 shits about longevity or your pocketbook.
2.3L Eco 2017 Mustang with only 23,000 miles with this issue. Ford needs to make good on this one. Talk about a pampered car only to have coolant in the #1 cylinder. Misfire P0301.
I enjoyed driving my Ford, but had several issues with it. Unfortunately, I had to go with an import this go around to help avoid the headaches. Domestic cars are just not what they used to be!
Another great video did the new motor get a new purge valve I know south main auto if my memory serves me correctly had a customer who needed a new one but there indefinitely in back order but was able to get a aftermarket that actually did work because of the clip design
If they put three brass tubes with a Couple or more rolled grooves in a indentation molded spot for the brass tubes with rolled grooves, and the out side ones at 90% of the way during the sand casting molding process. Then sand cast the last 10% of the sand mold, and finally pour the molten aluminum in to make the block. Then let it cool and remove the sand they would have descent coolant passages that are corrosion resistant.
Thank you for posting sir I was a tech for BMW we had some issues on some engine after overheating my son has this issue in a 2017 ford edge I was wondering if you can tell me me where he could buy the engine besides dealership and idea I appreciate your input thank you
Great illustration. Has Low compression been an issue with these motors? And what should the compression in psi be across all cylinders? Mines a "15" 2.0 with 109K on the clock. Thanks guys 👍👍👍
If it wasn't for bad luck.....had a 2015 Focus that started having transmission problems, automatic, dry clutch crapper, power shift, (pos) I got rear ended stopped at a red light and it was totaled. Thought ok, I dodged a bullet with this faulty transmission. So I bought an Escape, 2017 1.5 and here we go again, except now it's a faulty engine. Why did I buy another Ford?! Look up sucker in dictionary, there's my picture.....🙄 Thanks for the vids Ford Tech👍
I have a 2017 2.0 liter with 70k miles no issue - yet !! I watch coolant level carefully. Any idea what's the percentage of failure rate on these? Are they all doomed? I really like the car and don't really want to sell it
Ford tech Makuloco, Can you please tell me of the brand new 2.3L ecoboost engine that is in the ranger has the cross drilled design to prevent a blowout? Thank you for your time
Go figure that I find out this is a known issue AFTER my wife purchased a 2017 Escape 2.0 Ecoboost AWD Ti.. She wasnted an Escape really badly, we got it with 60K miles, and hopefully the Lifetime powertrain warranty will cover this IF it happens in the future..
@@rodneymiddleton9624 nope. I didn't do it. Not worth that repair. Total B.S for Ford doing this. I have turned 3 potential customers away from the brand and will keep scaring people with my horrible experience
Dumped our 17 MKC 2 years ago with 34k miles. These issues started and i cleaned it up... Reset the check engine light and sold it to a local dealership. Bought a Lexus and never looked back.
Hello Brian, thanks for your video, viewing from Angola 🇦🇴. My ford escape is from 2013. Of I buy a new engine do you believe it will already have the leakage issue fixed?
Any chance you could elaborate on what all engines are affected? I see the years the 2.0s were affected in this video. You’ve mentioned the 1.5l on here. Were all the 1.6s the old design, or did certain years of that motor have the issue? Is the 2.3 part of this in the Mustang, Ranger, Explorer, some Lincoln models?
There is. Multiple separate lawsuits were combined into one, and currently being litigated in California. I’ve tried to find out anything I could about the current status but have been unsuccessful. I sure hope they are forced to cover these premature failures, both for those who already made the repairs, and those who will make them in the future.
This should definitely fall under a recall. It's a design flaw in the engine and not the result of typical wear and tear by the customer. The company should be held responsible. It's disgusting that aren't being held responsible but instead forcing the customer to foot the bill. I'm a Ford guy but this is just unacceptable. Definitely making me change my mind on future purchases.
Great video! Thank you
I think the reason it isn’t is because it lasted so long. Need to be a class action lawsuit like with the Chevy dod/afm to get them to do something/ compensate the owners.
There is a class action lawsuit being launched
Ford has not done a recall.
There are class action suits for this. Google it and join one if you're having issues
Why don't they send out a recall?
Whew, glad I found this video. I'm seeing early signs of this issue in my 2017 FE... How in the world does this NOT fall under a "Recall" ... Ford should cover this!
What did u end up doing im in the same situation early sighns
@@FortniteGod-nm9ns We sold our 17 MKC with only 34k miles 2 years ago. Started getting misfire code. Would suggest getting rid of this pile of Ford junk asap.
Many other manufacturers use this kind of steam management, but the Eco-Boost has just too little "meat" for the gasket to seal. Ford should help these customers.
As a Ford technician well over half the Escapes, Fusions, and Edges I do long block and short blocks with 2.0 and 1.5 are warranty. Ford is trying to clean it up at least that's what we are told. They screw us on the warranty time. So the customer isn't the only one suffering because of these engines.
@@Silent_Shadow So they aren't helping their customers at all with this issue?
@@Silent_Shadow My 2016 Ford Edge has a crack in cylinder one. Technician said need a new engine and Ford didn't help at all. Still runs so tomorrow I will trade in for something better than Ford.
@@Silent_Shadow I agree. Did warrant claims for over 20 yrs. You techs have taken it in the shorts.
Had Ford stood behind our Fusion we would probably be driving it today and buying future Fords, but they did not so now we drive Toyota and will be buying Toyotas going forward so what is better Ford eating the cost for a bad design and keeping a customer or making the customer eat their mistake and losing future sales? Too bad Ford Toyota loves you:P
You scared me a bit. I have a 2 liter '15 escape 216,769 miles still runs good but i think it needs the intake cleaned like you showed. Thanks for all the great info.
Thank you Brian, I always look forward to your videos. Being a tech myself, when ever I have a Ford in my stall, its nice to know that I have a solid source for good Ford info.
Thanks for this video Brian! I have a 2017 Escape 2.0l with 30,000 miles. Owned since new. Oil changes every 4k-5k miles and tranny dump-n-fills every 15k miles. I was hoping to keep it for a long time. I'm selling this sucker and not waiting for it to fail outside of warranty time.
thanks so much also showing how they fixed this issue in 2020 with getting rid of the slit between cylinders.... everyone is screaming how bad the eco boost engine is (and the old design is) but no one is saying it was fixed in 2020
Just got my 2018 Escape back from the dealer with a J2GZ 6006 E replacement engine. Car had 53000 miles on it. Thank goodness for that extended warranty!
I'm happy that I have a 2015 Fusion Titanium 2.0 Ecoboost (since late 2018). The 2017 model I looked at was just too much money, so I bought a 2015. Good thing I didn't buy a 2017 one, seriously. At 8 yrs old my Fusion currently only has 47k miles and is in excellent condition overall. So far I'm happy with it.
Thanks for showing us the difference between the old and revised blocks! I have a 2018 with 62k and so far it hasn’t went out on me… YET. But it will so it’s nice to know what to look for in the replacement engines.
Mine went around 103k. Good luck!
Trade it before it happens is an option
@@michaelcrossley4716 mine went at 62K ugh!
Mine went out at 32k!!
Mike just went out at 58k
For a second there, I thought you filmed this video yesterday, that is my exact car with the exact mileage and the exact same problem cylinder number three ugh! It is at the local Ford dealer right now. Getting a new engine put in it covered by warranty thank goodness, at least now I know the problem will be fixed, thanks for your very informative video. You helped to put my mind at ease. Thank you.
These continuing quality control problems is why this life long Ford customer bought a new Lexus GX. I miss the days when some of my old Fords would easily hit 150k miles before its first proglem would surface.
I've been busy replacing engines at my workplace. After I finish this Transit 3.7L V6 engine replacement, I've got my third 2.0L to replace this month.
2014 Fusion 2.0 ecoboost: noticed burning coolant smell and running slightly hot. Discovered coolant level was 1.5” below max. Then noticed some white smoke smells of coolant in exhaust when starting cold. Oil smells a little more gassy than I’ve ever noticed, but no signs of coolant in oil, no sign of oil in coolant. What can cause this? What can I do to confirm what the issue is? Is it safe to drive if I keep levels topped off? 143k miles.
I got my 2017 Escape in June of 2016 and just hit 22,000 miles. Being 72 and retired, it could outlast me anyway. If not, I live in Chicago so I might look you up!
Issues like this should be covered regardless of miles/age! It’s obviously a design flaw, why should the customer have to pay for Ford’s poor engineering. I’m actually a Ford guy but this type of thing really gets me pissed!
I dumped Ford. I still have my beloved edge in my garage that gulps coolant. Ford told me to pound sand since it's out of warranty. Totally wrong. I'm a toyota gut now. All my toyota friends always told me my engine would blow one day. It did!
What does the dealer charge to replace the engine?
7,000 for a new engine in the escape is what a dealer wants. Just got a quote for a new engine for a 2017 escape
How does ford not cover this, it’s criminal
No, its Ford
Great topic. This is a very true issue for all the manufacturers. We get calls on the dps6 daily. Tried the dorman control moduels. That is so true. You will definitely put 2 to 3 of them on before you get a good one. Recently been buying good used. The supply chain issues are definitely hurting the whole automotive repair industry and the quality control of aftermarket parts is lacking.
I bought 2017 edge with 80.000 miles, at 83.000 miles the check engine light come on, and the coolant level was below minimum. The dealer scan it and found misfire in cylinder #3; coolant intrusion. Thank God I took an extended warranty (3 year’s). Right now they are installing the new long block on it.
It's one after another in my shop, there are 3 of us just doing various engine replacements right now. It really sucks for the cust because it's taking a while for the engines to arrive.
Thank you for the info, I’m not a mechanic but I’m trying to learn how to do this myself.
Know it’s not the best thing to do but it’s my only option currently my warranty ran out a month b4 the transmission went and I had it fixed for 6grand then this happened and it crushed me after spending that much on repairs.
I do not have enough money to fix the car in fact I still owe on it, and it’s annoying, I’m paying thousands for a car that’s not valued more then a grand. I can’t work full time or maintain a job without a car.
It has kept me up at night for almost a year now.
God Bless you for your generosity!
Sounds like a Class Action Lawsuit to me.
I sent my papers to a firm but there's not enough people to push it further I think.
I'll be adding this
200%
Looking into this now too!!! Bullshit!!!
I had to buy a new longblock for my sons car with 71,000 miles.
I recently diagnosed a 1.5L EcoBoost and found cylinder #1 with coolant intrusion (it leaked so bad to the point where the spark plug ceramic cracked in half and turned dark orange) . I would agree with you that the majority are #2 and 3 coolant intrusion. You can usually see a mark on the block or head gasket itself.
Well that sucks, I thought the 1.5l 3cyl was the one with few issues like this.
@@Bills96TA sorry, I was talking about the 1.5L EB 4 cylinder. I had to replace a 1.5L EB 3 cyl as well, but because the oil pump belt broke internally, the engine seized on the customer.
@@Bills96TA There are 2 different 1.5Ls that Ford has out. Hopefully the newer one 'Dragon' won't have this specific issue.
This "design flaw' goes back to at least 2014, as I am watching a video right now showing it in the 1.6 4 cyl. This is really unbelievable... and the Ford dealer sold this to us, 10 years old, knowing this issue existed and said nothing. Now it is swallowing coolant like crazy.
I have a 2017 Escape SE with a 1.5 liter Ecoboost. So far no issues with the engine. It has 28,000 miles and is regularly maintained.
Mine went bad at 75,000 miles.
My 2018 Ford Escape with a 1.5 liter went out after 50,000 miles. On 6/16/23 Ford put in a new engine. Ford gave me 3 days of reduced rental fee but the new engine didn’t show up for 5 days so I had to pay for a total of 5 rental days at 30 dollars a day. Ford rep said that they may be paying for these additional days so hang on to your receipts for a possible Ford reimbursement. Ford did the right thing.
It not necessarily the engineering. I was a master tech at Lincoln Mercury in the seventies and some genius Ford accountant/ cost cutter decide the drilled hole in the connecting rod on the 2.0 L engine could be eliminated saving a manufacturing operation and a few pennies per engine. Unfortunately that hole lined up with the crank journal oil hole and lubricated the cylinder/ piston skirt on every revolution. I lost count of how many scored piston skirts I saw. I had a pile of them after warranty repairs with " DRILLED" replacement rods and pistons.
The expert solves another headache!! Awesome job bruh
Great info Brian..Thanks for your expertise..much appreciate your hard work man.
Thank you for sharing this information. My wife's 2018 Ford Escape 2.0, 37,000 plus miles is doing fine but I plan on trading this in 2023. She wants another Ford Escape 2.0. Thanks
great video after multiple searches. I have a 2018 ford escape titianium with barely 61K and the engine light went on a few weeks ago. Just did local driving but the last few months I have been running the car hard almost 100 miles per day up in the mountains of pa. My son noticed the coolant dropped. He's been working on cars a few years and put 2 and 2 together. I have an appointment next week at FOrd and am dreading the thought that I will have to eat a 4-8K bill. I have had 5 Fords my entire life and will not likely purchase another. I will definitely join one of the class action lawsuits pending .
This just stung us at 85K miles. Covered under extended warranty, and dealership has been awesome to do all the right things.
Always waiting to see what you have to say about the next issue ! Well Done 👍
These turbo engines are great at generating power since there are no V6s due to emission mandates. However, turbos and turbo chargers add more stress in these smaller engines. I avoid turbocharged or supercharged engines, that extra power is not worth the headaches or the cost of ownership.
There are still V6 engines…the 2.7L, 3.0L, 3.3L, 3.5L & 3.7L are still used.
The brighter the bulb burns, the shorter it lives. You can use CGI blocks, forged cranks, moly rings, and more, but we're at the point where we're asking too much from these little engines. Dial all of them back to sub 200 hp and they'll all live much longer.
Can I disable the turbo?
@@s99614 no, it’s part of the exhaust/intake system. Even if you could just turn it off, your car would lose most of its power.
Toyota never slapped a turbo in and said mandate fixed! 😂
Glad they fixed this, I bought a 2022 Ford Maverick with the 2.0 turbo motor!
I looked at them, but I need something that I can haul stuff with, and that sandbox is to damn small. Worthless vehicle. If four doors are more important, then just buy an SUV.
@@scrambler69-xk3kv I had a 2019 full size Ram pickup truck before this Maverick. For me, I don't pull or haul anything other than some mulch or a power washer. This little truck works great for me. I get your point though👍
As we speak the 2.0 eco boost on my 2017 Edge is being replaced with only 45k miles on it. Luckily it is being covered by warranty. I hope the new long block being installed is the improved design.
It won't, ford is putting the same garbage right back on
@@SwingArmCity wrong,there is a revised long block.Please watch the video to the end
I've contacted the dealership an spoke with my parts rep as well as the service manager and according to them the service engine for 2017 is the same engine it has always been they do not show a revised or updated part number. This is my concern. I saw the end and heard the updated engine but do you have to buy a service engine for the newer model vehicle and will it go right in or are other parts/ changes needed to make it work?@@jasonbrushett2005
Thank you for an excellent explanation of what the cause of the problem was and how Ford fixed it. I also had that intrusion issue but caught it early enough that Ford had to cover the cost, but I always wondered until now what the cause of the failure was, and how it was fixed, and your video explains it well. I'm guessing that the new engine shown in this video is the one that they put into my 2017 Edge. Thanks, as always, for a great video.
@@ranckie5055 I wouldn't count on it. When they replaced the engine on my '17 Escape, I asked the technician if Ford actually fixed the problem or do they just hope it doesn't happen again before the warranty expires? He just smiled and said "We hope so".
The more I watch this channel, the more I like my simple 1948/52 Ford tractors with the flatheads! 😀
Reading the TSB you showed only list the Edge up to year 2018. Do you know, did the 2019 Edge go to the new thick wall design? Really appreciate all your videos and information you put out on this, I forward to all my friends that have these engines.
Going through this exact issue right now. 7 year old car that cost 40 grand, Now They want to replace the motor, NEVER EVER AGAIN will I buy another FORD ......
Happened to me too
I watched your videos on the maintenance and issues with 2013 Escape's 1.6L motors and 6 speed transmissions. I bought my FWD 2013 Escape new. I currently have 97000 miles on it and never really had any issues until recently with the transmission making a noise on hills after 2 second or third gear [might be the transfer clutch] and had no warning lights. I had the transmission serviced unfortunately for the first time [i was under the impression that it could not be serviced] at a local FORD dealer in hopes that it would fix the issue. They performed the service and also found that it needed a low fuel flow sensor after a computer scan. $850 dollars later I still have the noise. Yesterday I added 12 ounces of Lucas transmission fix, and the noise is better but haven't tried starting out on any hills yet. I have also been noticing that the coolant level seems to go down over time [weeks/months] and I add coolant to keep it filled. This is our second car now and it only gets driven on a couple of 20-mile short trips every week. I have learned a lot from your videos and probably could have done the transmission service myself. Oh well, too late now as they say. Thanks for providing me and others with all of this valuable information regarding this model year Escape.
My question is should I just keep the Escape until it has some major failure to the motor or transmission or sell it now while it is still running and can get some value for it???????? Please advise and I value your opinion. Thanks Rich
It would be worth very little in trade but probably a little more than junk value.
I'm thinking of buying a 2015 fushion at the auction on tuesday. Glad to know it has the older block design.
Our 2017 2.0 Escape failed 4 weeks ago @ 52K miles. It had a week left on the original power train warranty. Coolant in cylinder 4. Had a misfire on 4 at 40K, but only once. No issue found then. No white smoke. The failure was an instantaneous dead misfire while on the highway doing 70 mph. No light at low throttle, but light would illuminate with any medium acceleration. Ultimately it would only do 50 mph as I limped it back to the dealer. Ford replaced engine and it’s great now.
great for a while at least huh?
I've been a long time Ford guy and have bought many Ford trucks and cars over the years, but just the other day my wife's 2015 Edge blew the head gasket and we were told they have to replace the long block, after dealing with my last F-150 with the 5.4 Triton 3v and timing issues I'm done with Ford !
U keep on scaring the crap out of me regarding boosted gas engines!
This is going on with mine. Number 3 cylinder. Thanks for the video.
What sucks is Ford didn't recall of these motors once the flaw was determined. Ford should make it right for all of these owners, or at least meet them halfway, or provide the engine custy pays for the labor.
Ford has a reputation of not recalling a damn thing unless people are killed (re; Pinto). And even then they’ll rather go through the lawsuits as their been-counters determined that dealing with lawsuits from fatalities was more cost-effective than the cost of recalls.
Dodge is no better- they outright screwed owners of RAM 1500s with the 4.7 OHC motor (which I owned at one point) which was a magnet for head gasket and electrolysis issues resulting in coolant intrusion and premature engine death. They (Daimler-Chrysler at the time) let the lawsuit drag out until Cerberus (the hedge fund group that bought out Chrysler), which resulted in all the class action lawsuits going poof. As a result, everyone with a bum engine was stuck with no recourse.
I’ll keep my Crown Victoria Police Interceptor over any new Dodge or Ford product.
@@blue.5058 Lifelong Ford guy who has a love and hate relationship with Ford. I daily drive a 2011 Grand Marquis. Never get rid of the Panther. You won't find a new car that checks the boxes that these cars do. The rest of my Fords are all old, mostly 80s with V8s. I'm really sickened at what every manufacturer is putting out these days. They all have a slew of problems caused by .gov standards and stop gap measures.
No more ford guys!!! Unfortunately, I’ll stick with Japanese cars from now on.
I’m happier now that I bought a 2.5 Escape, even though I would have liked more features available with this powertrain.
Bought a Ford extended warranty on our 2015 Edge once I heard of this problem. We have the 'Cleveland' engine that is supposed to have this engine. So far no problems with 65,000 miles.
I've done 3 of these in the last month. 2.0s all in Edges. Longblocks luckily. Had a run of 1.5 shortblocks there for a while so I'll take a few longblocks lol
2014 Fusion 2.0 ecoboost: noticed burning coolant smell and running slightly hot. Discovered coolant level was 1.5” below max. Then noticed some white smoke smells of coolant in exhaust when starting cold. Oil smells a little more gassy than I’ve ever noticed, but no signs of coolant in oil, no sign of oil in coolant. What can cause this? What can I do to confirm what the issue is? Is it safe to drive if I keep levels topped off? 143k miles.
@@LiterallyJesusChrist you need to. Verify what cylinder(s) are/is misfiring and pressurize the cooling system and check to see if coolant is leaking into that cylinder.
@@fargenvonwitbier I’m not noticing any misfiring. Would testing for exhaust fumes in coolant reservoir help?
@@LiterallyJesusChrist You gotta remember that these are direct injected boosted engines with low friction piston rings so, as weird as it might be to hear, that's normal. I would be willing to be if you let the car sit for longer than usual, like a day or more, it would stumble on a cold start. Is there a check engine light on? Pay close attention the next time you start it cold for even a little tremble, I'm betting you'll feel it. The coolant leaks are usually minor enough to where it will burn away when it's started up. The only time I've seen the coolant and oil mix in these cases are when the car sits outside for weeks or longer waiting for parts and the coolant runs by the piston rings into the oil pan.
@@fargenvonwitbier I haven’t had any check engine lights so far.
My 2017 2.0 Escape with about 68,000 miles had an intrusion on cylinder 4. It was replaced with a long block and covered by extended warranty.
Can I ask what the cost was to change to the new engine?
@@michaelschwenk9743 I didn't pay anything as it was covered by the extended warranty. My service advisor said it would have been around $6500.
How is the new engine holding up?
@@AAG981 No issues, so far. I hope you didn’t jinx it. Lol.
@@stevenloretero9079 someone jinxed mine its with ford now
Holy cow, today, May 12, 2023, I was just informed by Ford that my 2017 Ford Escape 2.0L, ecoboost needs a new engine. Thanfully, I have the Ford ESP Premium and all I have to pay is a low deductible. I had no clue this was a problem with these vehicles.
Smart man!
Good video , I see, I've seen this in tractors and small engines as a dealer a few years ago, thin material actually between cylinders and pushrod gally always blew out and lack of head bolts in that area of coarse ,.....
My 2017 Lincoln MKC had the same issue. It was water intrusion into cylinder 2. It had around 55,00 miles when it started to have symptoms. It received a new engine already.
What did that cost? I have 2017 MKc
How much was the total repair?
It was under warranty and cost me nothing. The total bill was nearly $8,000 total.
Brian do you change the cats when changing an engine that consumed antifreeze and oil?
My 2017 Fusion had it's EcoBoost 2.0 replaced with only 38K in Sept 2019 for this issue and fortunately they used the improved design long block.
My 2014 Focus ST had about 187k miles when it suddenly started losing coolant summer of 2020. I had to fill it almost completely every other day. If I had known what the issue was for sure & that there was a definite fix, I would have loved to keep it. My main concern was paying for a new engine to just have it happen again. I'm fairly sure the dealership would've just put the exact same model as the one that went bad, & I'd have the same problem in the future. So I went from a car I loved that was paid off, to a new one. Settled for a simple naturally aspirated 6 cylinder in hopes of keeping any issues to minimal headaches.
The focus st and rs had head gasket issues. You were smart to get rid of it.
@@Rvp5150 RS had gasket problems. With the ST-s, only modded ones going bad. Stay stock and all will be fine. But find a stock ST might be tricky.
ST has the closed deck. You must have been driving it hard in the morning before everything warmed up .
I have a 2018 Ford Fusion 2.0L ecoboost with a misfire in cylinder 2 & 3 with only 27.5k miles that is less than 6k a year and dealing with this issue.dealership only offered a 3 year - 30k mile warranty..replaced spark plugs and coil in cylinder 2 and played around with cylinder 3 to see if it was any other cylinder but problem stayed with cylinder 2 and 3 after all the tests...this should be Fords problem not mine....should count towards the lemon law
Thanks for this video, this is exactly what I have going on, every thing you said to a T is exactly what I observed. Thanks greatly for your information!!!
Mine was cylinder 1 and what I found from TSB was the blocks or engines made in Spain had the most issues
I have escape model from 2017 but the production date on the plate is 04/2016. Will this also apply to me? because the video says 2017-2019 but this includes the production date or model year?
This is why you keep doing research on your car and learn about these things. The guy could have sold his car a little earlier if he knew he had the bad engine. I try not to make this mistake anymore. I always do several youtube searches on my used cars before I buy them- and even years after I've been driving it- I search for issues. When there is a common issue, it will be obvious by all the videos made about it. I did this for my sisters car before she bought it -- it was a 2011 Chevy Cruze-- and I begged her not to buy it; I showed her all the different problems with it, but she bought it anyway. A few years later, she blew the motor and had a knock in the engine. Somehow she got a savior from heaven and a car hit her Cruze parked in a parking lot -- and they totaled her car. lol.. So she got paid in full, even though the engine was already toast....... so what does she do then? Jumps right back into buying a slightly newer blazer with nearly 200k miles on it -- from a predatory car salesman for something crazy like $19k with all the financing. smh. I can't help her, she's on her own.
Sounds just like my sisters lol. Asks for my opinion, do all this research for her or vehicles she was looking at. Ignores everything I show her and buys it anyway. Car dies and now she’s stuck with a payment for a car that’s going to cost 1,000s to fix. 🤷🏼♂️
@CANADIAN UKRANIAN Eco boost engines are fine if you just get passed their issues. "Fordtechmakeuloco" channel is a Ford guy who is very good at showing the issues with the eco boost and how to fix the issues. I think he said just avoid the 2007 all together though-- it's fricked. lol
Sounds like a democrat voter, lol. Back to topic, it’s easier to buy something like a corolla or civic. At least Honda & Toyota attempt to learn from prior mistakes, and have engineers that know how to design & construct a vehicle.
@@disgracebook5708 Preach. In early 2020, I bought a 2002 Acura MDX, 3.5L Honda engine, AWD, fully loaded, 3 rows of heated leather seats that fold down flat, heated mirrors, moon roof, auto dimming rear view mirror, nearly new tires all around, zero rust, zero dents, and not a single drop of leaking oil anywhere under the entire car. It's in incredible shape with only 155k miles, and I only paid $1700 for it off of some rich kid on FB marketplace. lol. They had it marked for $4500, but I guess I was the only one who kept texting them about it; I just kept offering him $1500, almost as a troll, and I never expected to get it-- but then after 2 weeks, he just texted me '$1700 is as low as I can go" -- lol.. SOLD!!! I have closer to 170k miles on it now, and it has been a flawless car. I love this thing... Other than that, I have a 2002 F350 7.3L diesel, 6spd manual, 4x4 with 340k miles and it's probably the best truck Ford ever made, and is still going strong. So I've done really well with my car choices; My sister and my mother are the complete opposite.
Is this an issue with the 4 cylinder blocks in the Ranger Pickups? Thanks for the great information
@Helicopter Dad! The ranger has the cross drilled block, not the problematic slit block. www.therangerstation.com/ranger-tech/ford-ranger-2-3l-ecoboost-introduction/
@@the308capital Thank you for this link!
@@the308capital Thank you
Just had a friend with this failure. As a long time Volvo fan, I see where they pulled some of this design from Volvo, IMO. Those 2.5L 5 cylinder turbo engines suffer from this same failure. The 2.3 has thicker cylinders and is stronger even being open decked. Some have shimmed between the cylinders. The cross drilling solution is cool though.
That is alot the old chevy vega engines design that caused coolant usage problems ( back in the 70s). No turbos back then, that is why they did not grenade sooner. History repeating itself.
good to see they are finally updating the 2.3 to basically be brand new. would have been interesting to see/hear that running with the misfire and or white smoke. do the 2.3's blow up from too much coolant getting in the bore and hydrolock which then bends a rod/windows the block?
I use to buy FordMoCo products.
I have this unreasonable expectation that at 100K miles all I should need to buy is oil.
Not a ($4500?) long block.
Just think how much the environment was saved by running this engine (until the engine was shot). That extra .1 or .2 MPG is well worth it.
What type of oil do you run?
@@dlewis9760 Bingo. All of this is due to government screwing with good things again. Name me one problem they ever solved that wasn't their own making. (we could shorten that to "name me one problem they ever solved")
I made a post about this happening to me...... update: 2.0L eco boost, i had the head removed and cylinder 2 and 3 where clean as can be and blew the piston rings off cylinder 3, remind you it only had 27k miles....dealership would not do anything to help so i went to another ford dealership more respected and was able to get the new engine and seals for 4k with a core exchange of 1k so 3k. Had a buddy install it for $800
So the thing about recalls are the from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), to get a recall, we need everyone to report this issue to them
We need too because these people are not trying to fix the engines
What did ford expect, the upper cylinder pressure is flexing the bores . If you look closely at the head gasket you can see that the where the bore is moving against the head gasket.
@fordtechmakuloco
I have a 2017 2.0L ecoboost that is throwing a misfire code P0302. Once every 5 cold starts, it runs rough for a few seconds and then runs like a champ there after. Over the 8 years of owning the car, the coolant has needed a top off twice as it was a touch low in the resivor. It doesn't smell like it's burning coolant and I do not see white smoke.
I watched your other video with the ST 2.0L and you said carbon buildup can cause a issue with misfire. Would that carbon buildup issue only cause a few seconds of a misfire?? I have changed the plugs and the coil on that cylinder. Thanks for the detailed videos.
First off I want to thank you for all you do for us Ford owners. I currently just sold my 2020 Escape for 22 Ford Bronco Sport Badlands with the 2.0. Is the newer block Incorporated in the Bronco Sport Badlands?
This is very valuable information for those who are looking to buy a used Ford with the 2.0L turbo engine, so they'll know what they're getting into.
And BTW Brian, could you please tell us, your audience, how much $$$ one of these replacement "long blocks" sells for?
Just so we'll know how much it'll cost when this problem arises.
And thanks, great video!
Peobably like 6-7000 unless ford had lowered the price cause it’s a known issue
@@TheMechanicj for a defected design. Amazing. Fix or repair daily…
I have a 2017 ford escape eco 2.0 I have 146,xxx I haven’t had any issues other than having to replace my wiring harness , imma have to look at the date mine was made.. bc this makes me wanna trade it in!
FWIW my 2.0L 2019 Fusion is in the shop right now (awaiting parts, of course) for coolant intrusion
Nice video with the three CAD versions to show how the actual problem came about and what the fix was.
Do you know what date your Fusion was manufactured? I also have a 2019 Titanium
My mom's 2017 Edge with the 2.0L Ecoboost is in the shop getting a new motor at 74k miles. 🙃
So I just purchased my lease 2019 escape titanium .
Had no choice. But I do love the car. Is this inevitable?
And is there anything I can do before it happens. Thanks for the great videos
Thank you for that very important piece of information!
Brian, would it be a benefit to proactively change the head gasket and inspect for the 2.0L Ecoboosts that aren't leaking yet? My daughter's 2015 Edge has 80,000 miles...thanks
The 2015 Edge does not have this issue.
Thanks for a great explanation of this issue and showing the new block design. I've seen one TH-camr suggest that the 2.0L engines that have the coolant intrusion issue were the one assembled in Cleveland, while the Valencia engines seem to be fine. What are your thought on that?
Nope they all have the issue.
If they all have the issue.. why is the 2017+ only mentioned here, when in a previous video and now here you’re saying they all do. I have a 2016 Valencia 2.0, thought I was good now I see this comment… hmm 🤔 😢
I am speaking of the different build plants, not specific models and engines.
@@FordTechMakuloco Sorry.. just to confirm then I should be ok, contrary to your last video re: the 2.0 and this one pre-2017… being I have a 2016?
It's sad that Ford won't stand behind them because other than that I love my 18 escape
That slit between the cylinders was visibly a potential point of failure just looking at it in the drawing.
I’ve always wondered if engine start/stop thermal cycles would expose a weak engineering design such as this?
Not much time nor temperature shift in the duration sitting at a stop light. Start stop sucks though and I'd bypass it on anything. I can afford the miniscule fuel consumption to keep my AC running and my engine cooling consistently on a hot day. I'd rather not change starters more often and put more wear on the engine bearings from starting it constantly. It's a stop gap measure like most of it to keep within the government mandates. They don't give 2 shits about longevity or your pocketbook.
2.3L Eco 2017 Mustang with only 23,000 miles with this issue. Ford needs to make good on this one. Talk about a pampered car only to have coolant in the #1 cylinder. Misfire P0301.
I enjoyed driving my Ford, but had several issues with it. Unfortunately, I had to go with an import this go around to help avoid the headaches. Domestic cars are just not what they used to be!
Another great video did the new motor get a new purge valve I know south main auto if my memory serves me correctly had a customer who needed a new one but there indefinitely in back order but was able to get a aftermarket that actually did work because of the clip design
Great video. If I’m buying a replacement engine from Ford, what P/N am I looking for to ensure I get the upgraded one. Thanks
If they put three brass tubes with a Couple or more rolled grooves in a indentation molded spot for the brass tubes with rolled grooves, and the out side ones at 90% of the way during the sand casting molding process. Then sand cast the last 10% of the sand mold, and finally pour the molten aluminum in to make the block. Then let it cool and remove the sand they would have descent coolant passages that are corrosion resistant.
Thank you for posting sir I was a tech for BMW we had some issues on some engine after overheating my son has this issue in a 2017 ford edge I was wondering if you can tell me me where he could buy the engine besides dealership and idea I appreciate your input thank you
Great illustration. Has Low compression been an issue with these motors? And what should the compression in psi be across all cylinders? Mines a "15" 2.0 with 109K on the clock.
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If it wasn't for bad luck.....had a 2015 Focus that started having transmission problems, automatic, dry clutch crapper, power shift, (pos) I got rear ended stopped at a red light and it was totaled. Thought ok, I dodged a bullet with this faulty transmission. So I bought an Escape, 2017 1.5 and here we go again, except now it's a faulty engine. Why did I buy another Ford?! Look up sucker in dictionary, there's my picture.....🙄 Thanks for the vids Ford Tech👍
I have a 2017 2.0 liter with 70k miles no issue - yet !! I watch coolant level carefully. Any idea what's the percentage of failure rate on these? Are they all doomed? I really like the car and don't really want to sell it
I have 137,000 on mine and no issues so far.
Ford tech Makuloco, Can you please tell me of the brand new 2.3L ecoboost engine that is in the ranger has the cross drilled design to prevent a blowout? Thank you for your time
This just happened to me! I’m past the 5 year warranty but only have 51k. So I’m pretty much screwed.
The warranty only covers the transmission not the actual engine
We have a 2019 ford edge with 30k miles. Did ford re design the cylinder heads after 2018?
Go figure that I find out this is a known issue AFTER my wife purchased a 2017 Escape 2.0 Ecoboost AWD Ti.. She wasnted an Escape really badly, we got it with 60K miles, and hopefully the Lifetime powertrain warranty will cover this IF it happens in the future..
What is the average repair cost on this engine swap? Thanks!
mine was over $6000
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I was quoted 7400$ in California
@@exil3dlivecom is the car worth that cost? They should’ve fixed it for free.
@@rodneymiddleton9624 nope. I didn't do it. Not worth that repair. Total B.S for Ford doing this. I have turned 3 potential customers away from the brand and will keep scaring people with my horrible experience
Dumped our 17 MKC 2 years ago with 34k miles. These issues started and i cleaned it up... Reset the check engine light and sold it to a local dealership. Bought a Lexus and never looked back.
Leave it to Ford to not be able to re-invent the wheel. Open deck blocks have been used for decades by other manufacturers.
I suspect it's just the gasket failing. How do we know if no one examines them?
It has nothing to do with being open deck. It's the coolant channel between the cylindres.
I was worried about my 2014 2.0 escape until I watched your videos on this matter. Thanks for the information.
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Same issue now with my 2017 cylinder 2. Ford called today, replacing the motor.
Hello Brian, thanks for your video, viewing from Angola 🇦🇴. My ford escape is from 2013. Of I buy a new engine do you believe it will already have the leakage issue fixed?
Any chance you could elaborate on what all engines are affected? I see the years the 2.0s were affected in this video. You’ve mentioned the 1.5l on here. Were all the 1.6s the old design, or did certain years of that motor have the issue? Is the 2.3 part of this in the Mustang, Ranger, Explorer, some Lincoln models?
I am surprised that there is not a lawsuit against Ford for this clearly defective Engine!
There is. Multiple separate lawsuits were combined into one, and currently being litigated in California. I’ve tried to find out anything I could about the current status but have been unsuccessful. I sure hope they are forced to cover these premature failures, both for those who already made the repairs, and those who will make them in the future.