Why Ford Ecoboost Engines Fail
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- Here's a look inside the Ford Ecoboost 1.6L Turbocharged engine and how it works!
The Ford Ecoboost is a 4 cylinder engine, with the 1.6L variant preceding the modern 1.5L 3 cylinder unit. It has dual variable valve timing that is driven by a dry timing belt. Some Ecoboost engines were driven by a wet belt system which often failed.
This engine features direct injection, which means it can make more power with better fuel efficiency and less emissions, at the cost of serviceability and reliability. Carbon buildup is a common issue as a result of direct injection and a poorly designed PCV system.
The main issue with these engines is they overheat due to a head-gasket design fault. There exists a small coolant channel between the cylinders to aid with cooling, as these little engines are forced to create a lot more power than they should be able to handle.This channel creates a weak point in the head-gasket, causing coolant to enter the combustion chamber and vice versa. Coolant mixes with oil, and as a result the engine fails catastrophically if the problem isn't identified early enough.
In this video we take apart the 1.6T engine from a 2013 Ford Escape that had an overheating condition.
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Ford should merge with Boeing. Both 120 year old American brands that can't make their products anymore 👌🏽
FORD did in fact build airplanes
😂😂😂
Alan Mulley was Boeing engineer who came over to take over and save Ford in 00s after he was passed over for CEO position of Boeing in favor of someone who has no engineering exp and was reason for current issues
People just want new iPhone and a new car every year. But at the same time not willing to spend more than $10k for the car. Manufacturers cutting the costs for them. Cheap cars are designed to last 5 years or 50k miles
Boeing is good at offing whistle blowers though.
i Would not be surprised if there is a plastic Piston head :/
Only Ford.
@@mikefoehr235 And Garage 54.
@@DashCamSerbiahaha true, or resin engine block
Plastic camshaft and pop tin valves coming next. Then gotta figure out a way to make the head gaskets even worse.
@@DashCamSerbiafacts 😂
I haven't had to crack open my car's engines for any reason since I went all-Toyota. Thanks for reminding me what I'm missing.
Great! But does your car but any oil?
@@speedkar99 It just runs when I tell it to. It's really boring how it just goes and goes with no problems. My tools are always working on other people's stuff now, because I have all these tools from when I had American cars. Even Infinity, Subaru, and Mazda, I only had shocks, radiator and a TCM to change out. No tow trucks ever on those. 😂
Affordability
@@ststst981 up front, they cost more. More than worth every penny though, if you don't like contingencies.
Heck, my poor old 99 SAAB 93 Turbo has 250k Miles on it and never had a bolt turned on the core engine or the turbo system. It helps when a company knows how to build a turbo engine on the front end and from the ground up. FORD basically used their warranty system in place of an R&D department with the 1.6 ECOBOOST.
Sort of like GM did with their 5.7 Olds Diesel conversion. I kid you not, when GM came out with this engine, they told concerned dealers that "we will let the engine tell us what needs improved through the warranty program."
"Built Ford Tough" ... They forget to tell you that their definition of tough is being able to get itself to a scrapyard for an early death. 😂😂😂
You forgot to say....Quantity is job one at Ford.
It's "Built Ford Proud" now.
nah, it's not been ford tough since the 2000s, it's built ford stupid now.
I've seen maccas happy meal toys that probably meet fords standards for "tough"
Epic. Funny, yet sad though true and proven
I got 300,000k miles out of the original 3.5 ecoboost, but I did go through 4 transmissions to get there so it was bittersweet
Awesome!
did you have the 6r80 6 speed?
@@Josh55907
It was a 6 speed for the Taurus SHO. Great engine, Glass transmission
The transmissions never last Ford will not make a reliable fwd transmission and I don't know why I'm convinced they want them to fail at this point
I have the 3.5 NA in my explorer its a good engine. Transmission always clunks into gear but its held up a long time.
The spacing between the cylinders is so tight that it's no wonder that head gasket leaks of coolant are common there. A metal head gasket is necessary to handle the turbocharged high cylinder pressures so the seal there is metal to metal, no sealant possible to aid the seal. Then there is that coolant groove which interrupts the sealing ability of the head gasket. What a marginal design.
Agreed
They tried to make this one so compact
Great breakdown Dude and your commentary is spot on. As a former auto mechanic it reminded me of how much I hated being called a 'grease monkey'. People have no idea how much education and talent is required to do that job!😢😢😢
“Eco-Burst”
Honestly 85 percent of mechanics qualify as that- in today's cars, too many people are simple parts changers, these modern mechanics REALLY need some true intelligence and talent to make complicated connections. Those that can diagnose and find the strangest solutions to problems, they are the real wizards. The other 85 percent are the grease monkeys.
@@97336cf I’m a Ford Sr. master tech. But To be honest, I don’t mind the terms grease monkey, mechanic or technician. I know my worth.
As a new car enthusiast, I love how you briefly explain what all the parts are and what they do. I can already name most of the engine parts so I'm always guessing what you're pulling out of the engine next. Great video!!
Can't believe those aren't key'd.
yes but the reason for it is if the belt snaps that the valves wont hit the engine so hard, you do the timing by locking the cam pulleys and at the back of the block there is a bolt you remove to put the engine on TDC, but you do not tighten the crank pulley as yet, it needs to be loose to replace the timing belt, your tensioner has a lock on it, the crank pulley needs to loose, the cam pulleys need to be locked and while the crank pulley is loose and then you release the lock pin on the tensioner and the timing will set it self on the crank pulley, no possible way to use the timing marks on the crank pulley because it will just jump out of timing it was tightened, so once you removed the lock pin on the tensioner the crank pulley will turn then its on the right spot, then tighten the crank bolt to correct spec and remove the locking tools and assemble everything and it will be fine, this is a very good engine if maintained correctly, I've seen they ran up to 300000km with no problems at all
@albo a 2012 Toyota Yaris engine can go 500,000 kms. Most Ford engines are garbage
@@albovandyk3842 _"but the reason for it is if the belt snaps that the valves wont hit the engine so hard"_
It has _nothing_ to do with this. This engine, and many other modern engines do not have the timing components keyed because this simply doesn't provide an accurate method of setting the cam timing. Tolerance stack up on engine machining means there is always some variation in the distance between crank and cam pulleys, with fixed keyways this results in a variation in cam timing. This could be fixed by taking the time to measure the variation and fix it with offset keys, but this is not a production friendly system, and it's likely many technicians (parts fitters) would fail to perform this correctly during a belt change. Having the pulleys unkeyed and locking the crank and cam in their timing positions prior to torquing up the pulley bolts removes all tolerances and gives precise, repeatable cam timing on every engine.
They arent keyed because ford didnt want to spend the extra .2c to machine the slot and make the woodruff key for each of the parts. Sadly other manufacturers are going the same way too **VW**
Ive done a few timing belt jobs on the pre DI versions of these engines which looks exactly the same as the one in the video and theyre actually not too bad to time up, as long as you have all the locking tools.
@@mann_idonotreadreplies ive seen fords with same engine like this with proper maintaining did also 500000km.
Lack of oil changes kinda killed it
Overall it's a bad design not some kind of a factory defect.
That's the 'financial genius' of modern engines - owners won't want to do the maintenance needed, or pay for the high octane fuel, so they will all die even earlier than a turbo normally would.
@@brianwelch1579 Why buy a car? if they're not willing to put the right fluids in it lol
Always double up on your fluid changes. If it says 10k, do 5k.
What killed it is Ford engineers who go by 1980s standards for engine longevity
We had a 2014 Ford Escape with a 1.6 eco-boost engine. My wife put 185,000 miles on it, but we did have to replace the transmission and the turbo charger. It leaked antifreeze from day one and could never figure out where it was going. Sold it this year and bought a Toyota RAV4 with no turbo charger and no hybrid battery.
The timing is actually pretty easy, there is a pin that you put in the back of the engine to lock the crankshaft, you line up the 2 camshafts with the tool and then put the belt on en tension it, then you torque the crankshaft bolt. It is pretty straight forward
Correct
It needs their specific tool. They try to stop DIY guys. No DIY guys want to buy the expensive tool just for a one time job.
@@YeakZa No, eather the camshafts or the crankshaft needs to allow movement, otherwise the timing would change a bit while tightening the tensioner. Especially with modern engines the timing must be spot on, not just in the ballpark of a tooth.
For instance Fiat and Alfa do it the other way around. The crankshaft has key, but there is play in the camshaft pulleys. Tou tighten those after tensioning the belt.
Oh its funny how many Mechanics are scared of doing timing work on ecoboosts. Their loss, our gain
As an amateur "mechanic" with 2 classics I really appreciate your videos 👍👍
These engines have put 1000s of people in bad situations financially....Ford is aware and issued a TSB telling the dealers to replace with a new long block because they redesigned the block. Customer pays for the engine and parts.....
Hahahahaha
Why it's not class action yet?
Lmao, because they're not customers, just sheep to an oval on the grill
Don’t buy fords. Problem solved.
Well that explains alot stupid ford
Ecoboom for a reason. I currently own about 7 cars and the worst engine that give me headache after headache is the 2.3 ecoboom in my Mustang. Underboost, misfires, carbon buildup etc etc
"You wouldn't have that problem with a V8:" (Tokyo Drift) :D
Any idea if thats the same engine they use in the 2024 focus st? I've had an ST since 2009, still got it and no problems at all. I did hear there rumours that there where issues with the early ecoboost engines used in the RS.
I was thinking of updating to a 2024, but if the engines are problematic I'd rather know beforehand. It's not like ford are going to tell me, like they didn't tell me about the problematic clutch they used in my 2009, which loses pressure when it feels like it, then hardens up again (under foot pressure) when it feels like it.
@@stones4879 Same engine, but with lower power output.
@@DashCamSerbia Appreciate the response, thankyou
@@stones4879 No problem. You can check on Wikipedia as well.
I work at a Ford dealership as a Service Advisor. We are always doing 3 to 5 of those 1.5 and 1.6 EcoBoost motors a week for short and long block replacements. I have seen some high mileage ones (250,000kms and up) but the owners were religious with 5000 km oil change intervals and coolant changes along with having that campaign done that runs the water pump more and opens the tstat earlier.
Would you say that maintenance will prevent these failures or it's just inherit in its design?
@@speedkar99 For the most part maintenance will help. The issue is that the engines are so sensitive that any slight lack of maintenance will cause a problem. I'd stay from the motors completely just to play it safe.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the later build 1.6T sigma engine's. It's just poor maintenance, poor quality fuel and people that floor it the second they turn the key. Only thing wrong with the earlier build engines are cylinder head coolant issue's. Amount of people running over 300, 350 even 400hp through these engines on stock short block extremely reliably is crazy, these fail due to user error or not taking part in the recall.
So news to me - leaky head gasket is a feature, not a bug! Free steam clean of cylinders while you drive, prevents that yucky carbon build up. I think I will make a loop of you breaking those head bolts loose because it is a satisfying sound that I could sleep too, LOL. I love your presentation style, sir. Very informative. Maybe it's economy boost -- the broken windows fallacy.
Ford's number 1 priority is appearance. A naturally steam cleaned engine has eroded the fat profits from the dealer shops tho
Outstanding insight into serving and reliability 😊
17 Fiesta ST owner here. Car is tuned with big turbo and bigger fuel injectors. I do regular cleanings of the valves with crc intake valve cleaner thru the port on the intake manifold with good results each time. Power, response and gas mileage every time. I've done the valve cover because of course it leaks after high mileage use. They can be pretty stout when cared for, even in the pursuit of only performance
That doesn't damage your tarbos?
@rmkilc nope. Used on the stock turbo and big turbo. Been doing it since the vehicle was new bought in 2018 with 0 miles and 94k miles later👍🏾 50k miles big turbo. I do occasional track days too
@@bigddb92 I suppose if you bought the vehicle new, and do it all the time before it has a chance to get any real build-up, then it is probably safe. I'm wondering what happens if an engine with 150k miles of build-up tries it.
@rmkilc only one way to find out. Do you have a Fiesta ST or ecoboost car?
@@bigddb92 I have an F-150 and an Explorer Sport, both with the first gen 3.5 Ecoboosts and over 150k miles. I did walnut blast both of them myself at around 110k miles, but noticed no difference in performance or fuel mileage.
This video was so satisfying to watch, and I could follow your explanations clearly. Thanks for posting!
1.5 3 cylinder ecoboost failed at 47k miles on a 2020. Cylinder 2 had coolant washdown, was slowly loosing coolant since 2022. Water pump also leaked & was replaced right before the engine failure.
Performance was solid for the chassis.
Sad. I hated the 3 banger in the Escape and Bronco I reviewed
@@speedkar99 it's sad that they could have not spent a little more in building them (closed deck/crank woodruff key) ect. 3 cylinder even had plenty of power in the Escape.
Ecobust? Ecobusted.
Yeah should’ve done some looking if you are gonna get a eco boost it has to be the 2.0 2.3 and the v6 the 1.3 is the worst engine they have ever made.
*1.5
Even my 2011 Nissan Versa with the original MR18 engine and 4-speed automatic still going strong at 255k miles with scheduled maintenance
Basic low hp engines for the win, that's why they last long and are trouble free
Low HP? Look at LS engine, that's perform engine still can last.
@@GF-mf7ml That’s A Simple Engine Design. It Better Last Long.
I'm had a older one QG18 iron block 1.8 liter in a Nissan Sentra with 155,000 miles and stills run strong
@@GF-mf7ml ls are low hp engines for their size
Glad to be back, last time i was here i just noted his wife's toothbrush as an excellent prop. Now i noticed he got his brother's shirt as a cleaner. Glad to see this channel is going forward.
the shape of the piston is actually for squish and efficiency. By reducing the diameter of the combustion chamber you get more swirl which promotes complete combustion. Also by going towards a more spherical combustion chamber you have less heat loss during compression (higher initial temp pre combustion) which is good for thermodynamic efficiency.
working in sales it's hilarious to see all the ecoboom cars with texts like "engine replaced" in 2018 models with 40k miles
Ouch
What makes everyone think that Ford is the only manufacturer that has problems? Maybe you should get out into the real world more often.
Then they wonder why theres a mechanic shortage. I work on cars for fun. I could never imagine working on engines from today. Everything is so focused on cost savings and power. Plastic everything too.
Too many electronics. I'm fine with suspension and some engine stuff but lost when it comes to electronics.
If something goes bad they charge you an arm and leg
My mom has a f150 ecoboost and its the 3.5TT, i can hear unsettling noises from the motor and bless her heart its the only vehicle she has, life hasnt been well these past 4 years and i hope that truck will last, its at 80k miles right now i think
Oh, my god, you are so good. So much knowledge and, experience. Great presentation.
Thank you! 😃
Cuz made by FORD
The timing is great. I had my head gasket blow on my 2019 eco boost mustang about two weeks ago. Less than 50k miles. At least I know it’s a common problem now.
Ouch. How much to replace?
@@speedkar99About 7k but the dealership is still checking the extent of the damage, whether it’s under warranty, etc. Said it’s gonna be at least a few more weeks until they know.
@@flynn312 for $7K they better put a new engine in
@@flynn312 ouch $7000! That is nuts.
Good to know. I own a volvo with this engine and apparently volvo addressed the cooling issue a little bit. I've been concerned about the carbon build up since its a Direct Inyection engine. Thank god it was serviced at the volvo dealer by the previous owners and the oil change was done between 8000-9000 kms. I made sure the old coolant was flushed properly and i ran some prestone coolant specifically for European (volvo) engines. I do notice the idling a tiny bit unstable when the engine is cold so i'll remove the carbon sludge once i change the timing belt in a couple of months.
I have a 2.0 2013 V70 and it has been hell lmao
My 2.0 eco awd 13 escape runs great, 178k miles so far. Oil catch can, turbosmart 50/50 blow off valve, oil changes every 5k miles. 💪 I heard the 1.6 were all 🗑
Thoughtful upgrades and maintenance make a world of difference.
thinking about adding an oil catch can to my '17 focus st, but its a bit expensive and takes some time for installation
@TheBanjoShowOfficial totally worth installing a PCV Can. I get gunk caught in mine that I dump at every oil change, the CCV one not so much. Check out Radiums cans, the price hurts a lot less than Mishimotos' eye watering prices.
yours has the closed deck block. 17-19 Escapes switched to the 2nd gen 2.0 Ecoboost with open deck blocks which could suffer from overheating. 20+ Escapes got a revised block
I'm so glad I have the closed deck 2.0 L with a timing chain. It's still an Ecoboom, but it's probably the best one.
Lol and Honda Mass produced an engine called k20z3 opened Deck 2.0L design but can handles high boost without going ecoboom
@@mann_idonotreadreplies Plenty of 2.0 Ecoboost making 400-500hp on stock internals.
@@mann_idonotreadrepliesThere’s plenty of people who blow Z3’s up with only 400whp; there’s a reason so many boosted Honda guys use the K24. 11:1 compression isn’t exactly big boost friendly
Yeah I was making 350whp and almost 500 in torque lol in my focus ST the 2.0 is the best eco boost the next one is the v6 in the f150.
@@stephenvz7852 The 2.7/3.0 Ecoboost (Nano engine family) are also very reliable as well. The 2.3 Ecoboost is related to the 2.0 and overall a reliable engine.
Great video with explanation, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
All this tally against Ford when the Chevy 1.6 liter four cylinder engines were absolutely terrible! I had to take my Fusion in for service and they gave me a Chevy Aveo to use ford a day or so. With only a couple hundred miles on it, I left the dealer, hopped on the freeway for a few miles to get home and the car died I one mile from the lot. The engine seized and I was lucky to be able to let it coast off the fwy and into a parking lot. I called the dealer who used rental cars and they sent out a tow truck, then gave me a ride to another location to get another car. When the tow truck got there the driver said, not another one. I don’t know exactly what was wrong with them, but apparently it was a pretty a situation where crappy design or parts quality was a real problem for Chevy. That might be a good engine to tear down!
Nice breakdown and three comments. The oil jets at the main gallery are provided for piston cooling (piston cooling jets). The structure at the oil pan is applied stiffness and nvh, since this large surface could resonate. And the piston bowl is applied to position small air vortices inside of the combustion chamber relative to the spark plug for fast flame kernel development. But very nice video all in all.
9:00 what's the wall thickness/distance between the cylinders? Looks like 8-10 mm with a slit in the middle, so like two ~3 mm strips of aluminium supporting the gasket? No wonder these fail.
Somewhere around 2018, on the 2 l, Ford discontinued the saw cut between cylinders, so there is now support for the head gasket.
This design is stupid
@@drewthompson7457 yeah, I know, they now drill a channel through the wall. Seems to be a better solution, possibly less flow but still a way to alleviate hot spotting without touching deck surface. Mercedes was using it in the turbocharged V12 from Maybach. 8mm wall, linerless.
@@pancakewsxMy 2ZZ-GE has a wall thickness of 5.5mm, no liners but Toyota MMC “Metal Matrix Composite”, very similar to Honda’s FRM and I believe the Mercedes you’re talking about
Head gaskets rarely fail on these engine's. Lack of maintenance knocked this one out. There's a lot of things he says that are just plain wrong or too pedantic.
I've got a story of second gen facelifted kuga from a sunny country. The block upgraded itself with a crack on 34000km.
Added ventilation - for performance!
I'm happy to see new videos
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Great Video
Love the detail and explanations
Need to make a chart of different engines by mfg and year telling each + and - .
Thanks
Had an motor engineering department head tell me at tech training (Hyundai) tell me you have 3 categories for an engine. Performance, efficiency, and durability. You can only choose 2 in the real world.
Yep that's the triangle
Choose one side
That's bs. Add in cost and you can pick 3
How bad is the carbon buildup on the Honda 2.4 DI i4 engines?
I have the 2l ecoboost in my Focus ST and I'm contemplating installing a w/m injection system for valve cleaning.
Love that combo oil filter/oil cooler. Seems like it could be re-purposed.
I enjoy your videos
this looks to be a degree worse than the 2.0T or even 1.0T ecoboost
I'd like to see you take apart a ZF 9 speed transmission since it's in so many cars
The 2.0 eco boost is stout as hell the one that was in the focus ST ? Or the detuned escape 2.0t bc the one in the focus ST is amazing.
When was the last time anyone has ever heard a mechanic say, "...generally doesn't bode well?"
last time i was at my mechanics shop.
@@Baked-as-Bread my cars don't even see a mechanic. Just me, it bodes well.
Me & rockauto. Watchin' Toothbrush Guy. Learning horrible stuff.
Since through gasoline direct engine, no fuel touches the intake valves, could it help to spray some brake cleaner into the air filter to eventually loose some carbon or is srubbing the only solution?
I have watched many of your videos and enjoy and learn from them. I think I have previously mentioned your pace. So many TH-cam videos run longer than they need to and contain a lot of redundancy. Not yours. Your delivery is efficient. It's so well organized that it seems scripted although it's spontaneous in style so I doubt it is. Thank you for making and sharing these videos. P.S. Please consider not buying from ULINE. They support nasty people and movements.
Glad you enjoy my video style. I try to keep it short and to the point as I always have.
I don't buy from U-line and keep forgetting to rip those labels off.
How do you keep the valve stems clean w/o taking the engine apart? Also what oil change intervals do you suggest to prevent the buildup ?
They have tools to shoot walnut shells at the back of the valves to remove the carbon buildup. Some cars call for it every 100,000 miles. No fuel additive can do it because with direct injection, no fuel touches the back of the valves.
@@quademasters249correct, not many people understand this. If you do a lot of short driving I’d be walnuting way before 100k more like 40k in my humble opinion, and it’s not a hard job for dealers to do either
Excellent video on ecoboost engines.
Run catch cans and blow intake cleaner in every once in a while. My Fuckus RS 2.3L was squeaky clean when I did the head gasket myself for an aftermarket one
the best way these engines save gas is to not start in the first place. after your video the used eco boost market just fell 50% in value.
😢 I wonder if there videos have any effect on what people buy
Have a '17 2.0 Ecoboost with 87K on it and so far, it's been good. Did have all four coil packs replaced with plugs, coolant, trans fluid and a new battery. Still on the OE brakes and serpentine belt. Every once in a while the number 3 cylinder misfire error code with show up. Give it a minute and it will clear itself. Been told if it stays on, I have a bigger problem. Ford recommends synthetic blend. Been running full syn to help with the extra heat. Put nothing but 93 in it and Seafoam once a year.
Is that Oil Life meter is accurate for oil change intervals, or it depends only on milage?
Same design as the honda 1.5t (slotted overlapping cylinders).
Speedkar can you do a Mazda 2.5 Turbo Skyactive engine?
Good luck finding one.
U gonna need to give it few more years so 1st gen of turbo activ 2.5 will reach 200k miles. Only then we will see how good was it
From what I was told by two Ford mechanics and one was a drivability mechanic. You must change the oil every 5 thousand miles and flush the coolant every 35,000 miles . Proper maintenance is key to any turbo motor. They come with more responsibility to the owners if you choose to own one.
Love your editing.
Eco or boost, you can’t have both
😂😂 they don't care about how it fails all they care about is that it fails.
Because energy must come from gas. Unless the car is extremely light and aerodynamic(most truck/suv can't).
Most boosted cars are actually economical. Ford is just ford.
speedkar99 - excellent breakdown and explanation, greatly appreciated. :)
Where does the carbon come that causes intake valves to be totally messed up? Is the PCV valve setup causing a lot of oil fumes or does this thing have way too aggressive EGR setup?
I can't imagine a Tech having to face these disasters day after the day or the service manager telling the customer their economy car just crossed the rainbow bridge (warranty expired) & now needs a wheel barrow of money thrown at it to make it run again for at least another month or two. Wow, great video, thanks!
It's a known fact that ford engineers approach designing vehicles according to their warranties. No different than the home appliance scam, ford engineers #1 priority is to build a vehicle which will surely start failing just outside of warranty. They put more testing into that, than making sure it will last under extreme conditions.
Are the 5.0 v-8 dependable for the long term?
only 300 straight six is more long term. 5.0 is fine.
2 valve ohv, yeah, ohc no
@@shadowopsairman1583 It’s in my 2020 f-150
I believe so mate, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 162,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.
I was half expecting a plastic exhaust manifold as well
Wouldn't be surprised. Engineered polymer
The 3.5s are solid. The rare killer of those are a timing chain driven water pump. Outside those ive heard of several hit over 300,000 without major issues.
correct. Even better, if it's a RWD vehicle the water pump is external and easier to replace
As a 2.0 Focus ST owner, do I need to worry about my head gasket as well? I’ve owned it for 6 years and required very little maintenance. No check engine lights. No issues ever. Just religious oil changes and other fluid services. Only thing I need to replace is my purge valve. My fuel economy is atrocious lately. Thankyou for responding! Great video!
2.3 ecoboost in a ford ranger, 113k miles no problems.
Keep it maintained.
I think the smaller engines had more issues tbh
Why is this dude not my neighbor?
I don't think anyone wants to hear my impact gun rattling off 9am on a Sunday morning
@@speedkar99 LOL great vids bud!!
Using this 1.6 in EUDM FiST (183hp/240nM). 180k km and still goin strong. Nothing worrying in engine, no worrying sounds etc. Just keep adding fuel and replace oil & filters every ~10k km, timing belt every 8y/160kkm and nothing is goin to happen.
Would a slightly thicker oil and a oil. Catch can with a better grade (top tier) fuel. More frequent oil changes . stop or slow the carbon build up ?
Every time I see an Ecoboom taken apart it shocks me how many corners were cut for a high boost engine. Ford doing Ford things. DI really isn't that hard to get right. My Mazda Skyactiv-G 2.5 PY-VPS has 70k miles on it and the valves still aren't crazy carboned. But Mazda's PCV system is much more sophisticated than this example.
My wife's toothbrush LMAO
the 1.6l are known to have head cracking problems can confirm 2.0 if taken care of is rock solid had 170k on mine before it got rear ended and totaled. it ran like a champ and started on a dime because i took care of it. never floor it at low rpm causes lspi that goes for all turbo motors. oil change every 4k miles spark plugs every 25-30k new coolant every 50k also before turning off the motor let it idle for a few minutes to get cool oil all around. the biggest problem with ecoboost motors is they are high performance motors and have to be treated as such the 2.0 in the focus st is the same motor in the escape for most part. when you have non car people who have had NA motors their whole lives and they get an ecoboost motor really alot of turbocharged motors and they do maintenance on it like its NA your begging for problems. turbocharged motors run hot eat through spark plugs and are all around quirky leading to alot of enhance maintenance intervals that most people dont do then wonder why their motor is running like shit at 100k miles and blows at 140k.
Excellent video, TU.
Ecosh1t ! Ford sucks.
I have 1 Nissan engine from 1997, 2 Honda engines VTEC 1995 2.0 and 3 Toyota a 1,6, 1.8, 2.7 and a Mitsubishi engine 1997 1.8 Turbo. None of them ever failed, the Nissan has more than 1 million kms, yeah, 1 million kms and zero breakdowns.
The Toyota 1.8 has 1.6 million kms !!!
Amazing
Now get any recent Nissan with a CVT, or a newer Honda with the 1.5 Turbo and tell us if those make it to at least 500K Km.
Long story short: most brands have fallen in quality
Nissan forgot how to build engines.
the 90s and early 2000s are the golden age of japanese cars; I don't know about today. They decided to compete on value and reliability, which is what most people care about when they buy a car. Plus boomers were trained to buy a car, keep it 3 years and sell it so the used market was primo. Now though, the governments are all involved in car engineering plus every manufacturer loads up their vehicles with electronic crapola. Now toyota charges a huge premium because of their reputation for reliability. People keep cars forever so the used market is hosed. We didn't know how good we had it.
*Laughs in Mitsubishi Mirage*
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Glad i watched this ,was thinking about an ecoboost Mustang, not now .
I worked on multiple bmws and other German with baffling designs and thought that was the worst it get but holy this engines design decision’s are on another level and there’s nothing even redeeming about it already the German engines sounds good and make power😭
Same problem Honda has with the 1.5L turbo.
Proof? Links? LoL no it doesn't
Lies
Ecoboost your wallet empty......🤔 Maybe if it could run off E85 to #1 help prevent direct injection from clogging valves #2 help reduce engine temps. Since the small engine is pushing 200hp.
I'd rather have a 140hp ecobost that'll last longer. Than a 200hp with 50% less engine life.
don't be confused with dragon (turbo) series engines or 2.0 and larger displacement ecoboosts. 1.5L (and also 1.0L) ecoboost shares the platform with 1.6L ecoboost which was based on Zetec family. 1.5L non-aspirated Dragon engine got "wet" timing belt but it's turbo version got got chain driven camshaft. all 2.0 and greater volumed EcoBoosts (including v6) are chain driven
They have an updated block with out the slits between the cylinder bores. Although many other ford blocks are made that way
They never had the slots in the earlier models to begin with
Why Ford Ecoboost Engines Fail: They are pieces of shit
Ford junk. Get a Hyundai and call it a day
Toyota/Honda
Hyundai? With all the engine recalls? Id rather have a ford
@@mikefoehr235 Toyota has 9 recalls so far and Hyundai only has 6. My bet goes to Hyundai
@@mikefoehr235 3 million hondas are being investigated for safety issues. LOL
@@mrmalicious4421 go ahead and get a ford. You'll regret my advice since you spend millions of dollars at the service department.
This just reinforces what I already knew about the smaller Ecoboost engines, there are several deal-breakers here for me. The biggest thing to my mind is the belt in the timing system, that and the direct injection. Then there's all the parts that imo should never be made of plastic. It's just what the title declares; engines that are designed to fail! Even with strict oil changes and diligent maintenance you'll be pushing the limits of its lifetime well before 100k. Would not consider buying anything powered by an Ecoboost smaller than the 2.7- and then only the 3rd gen
3m does make great intake cleaner kit. Works great. Ford recommends every 15k for that service maintenence
Do you have to take off the intake?
Great video, thanks.
Ill never forget the first timing belt i did on those, a coworker walked over and said "careful, Ive seen many techs get fired over messing this job up"
I would love to hear the rationale, if any, with the keyless crank and diamond washer..
Also there are multiple SSTs needed to keep the engine from turning and also to align the CPS.
Not a fun timing belt job, almost as fun as the Turbo PT cruisers!
Amerijunk
Yeah there's a bolt that locks the crank... and then the camlocks
I feel like a key way would have been easier.
@@speedkar99 sounds about the same as the NA 1.6 engine from the regular Fiesta
Every mechanic I've heard or seen talking about this doesn't seem to have issues timing these engine's up. Ford specialists around where i live do it with their eyes closed.
@@filmboy18 if you have the tools, it's not a problem
What about if you want to do it at home is my point....
the thinner, lower tension rings are also for efficiency, nothing to do with the oil weight. Piston rings create a lot of drag. A lot of the engine braking you feel is from the rings. That drag is there all the time (like if you shut off the engine and floored it while moving you still have full engine braking). Many OEMs started going to lower friction rings in the early 2000s. BMWs around that time (e46) started burning more oil. The MR2 Spyder was notorious for engine failures due to oil leaking into the cats, which sometimes got sucked back into the engine during engine braking.
Nope, from pumping air.
Didn’t think ecoboost had low tension rings. Could be wrong
I have a 2015 Focus ST 2.0 ecoboost. Is this engine decent? 60k miles rn
I’m a mechanic and have been for over four decades both automotive and industrial. I was an auto mechanic when Ford brought the Escort to the American market. This motor design kind of reminds me of the motor they put in those cars. Instead of having cylinder spacing/head gasket issues they had a cylinder head with a hemi head design and exhaust and intake valves that were so big they nearly touched. The cylinder head was aluminum and the coolant passage on the back side of the valve seats where that came together was very thin. This design caused the cylinder head to crack between the valves no matter how well the car was maintained. I had one that I worked on that I put a new cylinder head on about every two weeks. We did that about 3 or 4 times and my dad who I worked for finally just made the call to eat the car and get the customer into something else. We gave them their money back and put them in a much nicer car that wasn’t Ford.
Wow. How much did that cost?
@@speedkar99 Back in those days somewhere south of $6000
Would better routine maintenance not have improved the overall condition of this engine? What was the estimated mileage on this engine? Why not increase the length of the design to allow sufficient room between the cylinders to allow for better cooling and less exposure to the gasket problems: how much could an extra inch really matter? P.S. What is (supposedly, anyway?) the intended benefit of direct injection? I have a pre-2020 2.5L Outback and I don't think I want the newer direct injection version if the heads have to come off to be cleaned!
Direct injection allows higher compression, hence better thermal efficiency. Downside is that the valves are never washed with fuel, a la port injection. Since EGR is a thing, carbon will build up on the back of the valves. Toyota (some others?) solves this with combined port and direct injection I believe.
Mileage and maint, would be helpful. Did they never change oil? Most engines suck without proper maintenance.
Turbos already essentially by definition decrease reliability- forcing more power but also needing their own oil pressures to worry about while also wearing things out faster in the rest of the engine. Now, take that and mix it with a ford, and the result shouldnt be a big surprise. that said though this looks like the person who owned it believes it when a bottle of oil says "lasts 15k miles"
Agreed! Oil changes are underrated now
It is interesting to know, what is inside the high pressure pump?
Been following this channel long enough to hear my first language edit on here
What do you mean?
@@speedkar99 when you said that thing was shaped like a ____.
are all DI engines prone to valve carbon build up, is the only fix walnut shell blast?, does quality of oil and gas make a difference?, how about adding additives to gas? changing oil more frequently than manufacture suggestion (10k miles)
Frequent oil changes help but by design, direct injection engines will have carbon buildup unless you install a catch can.
Had a 2017 Escape with the 1.5 turbo that failed 3 years later. Cracked blocked. Fixed under warranty then sold it right after.
So the direct injection injects like a diesel right before top dead center instead of the intake stroke?
on gasoline engines with direct injection- they spray during the intake stroke. The only similarities are the high pressure and structural design like a diesel DI system.
Love this stuff!
2020 F150 Eco boost 170K on it, have has it since new, never had any engine issues. Always kept up on my oil changes with synthetic oil. Not sure why "everyone" is having issues.
The smaller cheaper economy engines are cheap, throw away pieces of garbage. They need their bigger bread and butter cars. The trucks and SUVs need to run better. American car companies never cared about their small cars. And the American consumer doesn't really care either.
@@fadedjate7230 I dont know about you but with as much as I see for Fiesta st 1.6 "ST models anyways" forums, yall make them sound like they are terrible when must can people who have these cars say different. I know from my experience I have very little problems but I also keep up maintenance which is half of must peoples problems and also how they treat there vehicle.SOme people dont want to admit they are not the best at either but many times or not I have seen the blame of stupidity of design because of peoples negligence. "Lets go run the car wide open all the time before the engine has had any heat and see how long it last" Spark plugs not changed when there suppose to be and or oil. etc so on. I agree its not the best engine design in the world but must engines have some kind of weakness somewhere.
Loved my Ford Fusion 2017 2.0 180kw ecoboost, made 550k+ KM with that car, and could barely notice any difference in gearbox or engine, same power, same smoothness in gears..
Taxi work?
You’ve confirmed my worst fears about these small displacement engines: a tiny engine straining to move a relatively large vehicle mass. The compromises made to reduce engine weight, increase power output, delicately control fuel delivery to the combustion chambers, cool the cylinders, and package everything into a very small space, makes for a an expensive and difficult engine to service that appears prone to poor reliability over the long run. Unfortunately, consumers don’t seem to have many choices when it comes to the engines found in their new vehicles these days. Kudos to the engineers for trying so hard; but, the tiny Ecoboost engines don’t look like thy will last for long…
Consumers can speak with their wallet just as they have with EVs. That's why dealers are lined with EVs as they aren't selling.
Well its not so much as a problem to get this kind of power from a 1.5L. The problem for American Car makers is they relied on big displacement engines for a long time. American 4 cylinders have never been good. They will never be able to produce a reliable 4 cylinder thats as powerful as something from toyota or honda. They have been making big power from small engines long before ford or gm even thought it was worth investing in.
Bwah haha ha. I guess you dont know much. Anyway. Go watch some videos of tundras spinning bearings@@MrVlodato
@@MrVlodato Americans know how to do reliable 4 cyl engines. The Lima 4 cyl was bulletproof, it even lasted in boosted form (Mustang SVO, Thunderbird Turbo Coupe), The Zetec 2L was also good in general (although designed in Europe), the Quad 4 was quite reliable and so was the Iron Duke although that engine could barely get out of its own way but being honest that engine's output was not much different from the contemporary 22R Toyota or Z24 Nissan engine. Ecotec 2.2 and AMC 2.5 were also solid.
Emissions, Fuel Economy targets and cost savings pushed these solid engines out of manufacturing in favor of clean sheet designs that shared no commonality whatsoever with their predecessors and reliability took the back seat.