Why You Should Be Using Wood Brightener When Restoring Wood
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- In this video, The "Wizard of Wood" Everett Abrams demonstrates with a live demo the importance of using a wood brightener in the wood restoration process. Besides neutralizing chemicals oxalic acid also removes rust and iron stain as shown in this video. Be sure to subscribe to the channel for more videos.
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“That’s the difference between the hacks and the rookies out there!” I need this quote on a t-shirt. Awesome concise video thank you!
Great video Wizard! Thank you for the lesson
GREAT Video !! Learned ALOT !! Keep them coming
Awesome video. I'm about to have my brand-new redwood fence stained with Penofin, an oil-based stain. I searched for a video describing the cleaning and brightening process and found your lesson here. The two steps really brought out the beauty of the wood. I now am 100% sold on the cleaning and brightening steps. Thank you.
I thought it was a four step process?
Agree with 99% of what you have said. However, next time do it on a contaminated fence. THEN you won't be able to say Pressure does not clean. "You're just rinsing" the cleaner off. That is not true. Approx 1000 psi about 18 inches away using a 25° or 40° tip is the method for removing the dead contaminats from the wood. BTW- I called 2x and left vmails to order for a large project we had. We ended up using oil based instead since no phone call back from you all. 73 - 5ers is what it took for us to complete the hoa project. Love your product BUT it's difficult to use on a daily basis since nobody local in Houston carries it. My message to you all was that I was willing to drive as far as Dallas if someone would just return my call. Great education, Excellent products, difficult to receive on quick notice. If you all ever get a vendor in Houston, let me know. A year ago We bought the remaining inventory that you all had at washmart.
Great information!
I love your videos man. I've learned so much already. Already ordered Sodium metasilicate and Oxalic acid to ensure my customers are getting the best outcome possible. Thanks for all the material you've put out
Thank you for the comments and glad the videos are helpful!
Great information in your video five stars for them with 🧙♀️ wizard
Best Information video I’ve seen all year down to the details
Thank you for sharing
It's the little details like removing the rust stains that can make a huge difference.
Thank you!!
Thank you!
Really enjoyed your video but I would have really liked to have seen the fence when it dried as a comparison
good class thanks so much
This guy knows about cleaning wood.
Great Video!!!
I have a treated lumber deck that needs cleaning. Just need to better understand.... Step 1 soak wood, Step 2 clean and restore wood (with what product?) Step 3. Rinse completely Step 4 apply oxalic acid ( and rinse that off?) then stain or seal.
I have watched this video. I am in the early stages of restoring our cedar deck. Oregon Coast. So it gets done ever 2 years (and needs it after 2 years!). I have been using Messmer products for the last few restorations. I will do so again. I have determined, after cleaning the deck, that it actually could use sanding before finishing. My question is....I cleaned already, and the deck is dry. If I am going to sand it, do I brighten first, or after sanding? Thanks so much! I appreciate your videos and look forward to your reply.
What was the cleaner used for the wood and what was the dwell time for the cleaner and ox?
Can u post a after pic once dried?
Good Morning sir thank your for your video. I was just wondering. What are your thoughts on treating with SH first then Oxalic to finish?? Also, how does oxalic affect grass? Does it kill it pretty bad?? Thank you in advance.
Great video! Question: do you rinse again after applying the oxalic acid?
hi am building a Bunkie with tongue and groove pine I got a deal on the pine it was milled a bit a go gut still is new but it has grey spots starting and just a bit of black from sitting under the plastic sheets can you help for what to do with it thank you for any help you can give me
do you not rinse after the oxalic acid?
Great vid! wondering if i you could just leave the fence like that and go home. will the customer be happy? or will it require a stain or seal
You could leave the fence this way however, periodic sealing or staining the fence will extend the life of the fence.
So what chemical did you spray on the fence the first time after you pre wet the wood?
Looks like you'll never get an answer, so... probably sodium hypochlorite or sodium hydroxide.
he uses sodium metasilicate or percarbonate in his restoration vids. hypochlorite is for maintenance cleaning and hydroxide for stripping
@@MrCedricPeterson I took a wood fence cleaning course. Yours is the correct answer.
What the mixing ratio oxalic acid to water in your sprayer. Looks like a 1 gal
What was that orange cleaner you put on there first you didn't mention the name? Thanks
That was our non-bleach product “Restorer”
Great video mate, invaluable information. Does oxalic acid act as an SH neutralizer?
Oxalic acid will neutralize anything that is on the basic or alkaline side of the ph scale.
Quick question for you, when mixing the sodium metasilicate and oxalic acid, what is the mixture per gallon of water? I have been seeing anywhere from 4-5 ounces per gallon to 1 pound per gallon. Can you shed some light on the mixture? Mark from Austin, Texas
For heavy cleaning 1 cup to one gallon. Medium cleaning 1/2cup per gallon.
Oxalis acid is always 1cup per gallon
Great Vid Everett. Can i downstream the oxalic acid the same way i apply my sh to clean a deck? And if so, at what ratio would i mix the oxalic acid to downstream it?
Yes you can you will just have to adjust dilution rates depending on what you are using and what down streaming equipment you are using. For instance our brightener is applied 3:1-8:1 so you would have to adjust so that the desired strength is correct.
@@wizardofwood thank you sir for the reply. Much appreciated ❤️🙏
I have a cedar fence that has been semi transparent stained. I was looking to maybe go from a redwood look to a mocha or dark grey color. My question is, can I use a solid color stain over the transparent and does solid color stain chip and peel? I’ve seen a deck that was solid stained and it chipped horribly within a couple years. Is it same for a fence? Please and thanks Sir.
This is where many make their biggest mistake. Usually people will use a light sealer or stain and then go to a solid stain without proper prep. The answer is that and any solid stain or paint will chip and peel. These are film forming products and that is a characteristic of these types of products. If you do not want peeling then sealers or most semi-transparent stains will “wear” away and not peel. Your best bet is to strip and brighten the current coating to remove it. Then you can go back to applying a better choice. Solids will last longer however, peeling as it ages will always be a problem.
Would the restorer or the brightener have any negative affects on copper gutters?
Copper gutters always present issues when cleaning. Cleaning products can affect the patina look of the copper. Trying to prevent this is a difficult task. Knowing that they will go back to the patina look is all you can truly rely on.
Thank you for the video. It seems like the panel of fence you're working on there starts off being way cleaner or maybe just newer than my 15 y/0 fence. Will the ox get it my very dark, dingy fence back to that color you have there like a pressure cleaning and bleach treatment would? Also, how is the ox on the grass and plants? Thank you for your time answering our questions.
The brightener is the second part of a two-part process. A wood cleaner or stripper will darken and bring the wood back to original wood tone. The brightener stops the cleaner or stripper and brightens the wood to an optimal state and appearance. Whenever we use products on wood we recommend pre-wetting all surroundings. You may also want to use a tarp when applying, we do not. We just pre-wet, apply product, rinse, apply brightener, rinse again. Thank you for watching.
I had a boat dock built about 7 months ago and was looking to prep it for stain. I don’t want to power wash it because the wood still looks new. I was hoping to just use a pump sprayer with a wood brightener then scrub and rinse. Any recommendations on a wood brightener that won’t kill fish or aquatic life. Is this safe for lakes? Any advice? Thanks in advance
Citric acid is the best for the environment. Slow acting and will not neutralize iron and metal stains. Will brighten the wood though.
What about green ox?
@@jaxxo5 I do not believe that product is a brightener at all.
just used the products for the first time. Got great results, but i can’t get the dead wood fibers off. Idk if i got them from making too strong of a mix or from not using enough pressure to bast them off
Some wood fibers are part of the job sometimes and just better rinsing is all. If there excessive fibers it could mean the mix was too strong or left on the wood too long.
@@wizardofwood thank you!
Do you rinse the oxalic acid off as well or leave on?
rinse rinse rinse
Do you rinse the brightener of after or leave it on?
rinse rinse rinse
i understand the concept and that the wood will be not damaged during the process.. but that fence looks damn near new to start with..use it in the real world we are in with fences that look horible with tons of growth on them
Most of these guys washing and staining almost never use real world and worn wooden fences. It's always new or recently installed. Anyone can make a new fence look good.
Whats the mix ratio on the brightener ?
Our liquid concentrate is mixed with water at 5:1 to 10:1
do i really need a wood brightener after cleaning if i'm going to use a solid stain (oil/latex mix)?
If you are just using a bleach solution then no. Stronger alkalines like strippers should be neutralized so they do not effect the stain coating.
Hey Wiz, how come bleach doesn’t have mild-heavy stripping ability even though it has a high PH? I’ve often wondered why brightener is needed after using sodium metasilicate but not bleach. Thanks!
what was the dilution of oxalic acid?
We are usually diluting our brightener which is oxalic acid 5:1 Minimum and 10:1 Max dilution
how do I remove deck stain from a redwood wall will bleaching remove stain?
Bleaching is only for organic growth like mold and mildew. To remove stain you will need some type of stripper. Sodium metasilicate and sodium hydroxide type strippers are most common.
I want to apply the acid with my soft wash machine. Whats the amount I should use mixing in a 5 gallon bucket??
Our brightener mixes at a 3:1-7:1 ratio depending on the job. Too many variables on people equipment to answer this. Take our ratio and adjust to your equipment.
The problem is the acid is a powder so how do I know how much to use? 4.5 gallon PM pump.
Our product is a liquid concentrate. If you are using a powdered product from a manufacturer contact them and follow those instructions. If you are using raw chemicals then you are on your own. We do not recommend people mixing their own products on their own. Most people will mix raw products 8-16oz. per gallon of water but mixing raw chemicals can lead to injury.
Ok thx. Just mixing it with water. Where can I get the liquid form? Sorry so many stupid questions
Does anyone one know what chemical he used for step 2?
How much oxalic acid do you put in a 1 gallon pump up sprayer? how much water and how much oxalic acid? thanks also do you not rinse the oxalic acid off after?
1cup oxalis acid to 1 gal of water. I’m also wondering about the rinsing or not rinsing of oxalic acid.
@@AdamConstantine rinse rinse rinse
rinse rinse rinse
I’m staining a new log home that took 2 years to build so there’s gray areas everywhere I’ve tried permachink Renew , Oxylic acid and Olympic deck wash all 3 barely phase the wood and lifting the grain it looks like crap what’s wrong I don’t understand I’ve done miles of decks old and new with reconditioning products and they turned out great but this log home sucks
Website for these products please. I’m sold.
I’ve never done wood because I know what bleach does to porous surfaces. But watching this video makes me wanna try it with your products.
Thank you, deck-restoration-plus-deck-and-wood-stain.myshopify.com
Is it a cleaner also?
No, it is the second step in a two-step process to wood restoration.
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So, what cleaner did you use? SH and what?
Arkansas Cowboy, no SH. Our Restorer is a non-bleach cleaner.
@@wizardofwood could you do a demo using it on real dirty fence or deck? I'm in the market for a good solution instead of SH for my customers
Arkansas Cowboy, yes, as matter of fact we will be doing videos on our products next week. I will post versions here. Thanks
@@wizardofwood 6 months later, where is the video?
Is it just me? I see very little difference, if any, in the before and after-wood brightener (aside from the nail bleeds). Think I'll pass on the "brightening" for my own deck.
You don't rinse the ox acid?
If you speak to the forest products lab they will tell you the rule of thumb is to always rinse chemicals off of the wood. However if you speak to a chemist about rinsing ox they will say its unnecessary since it brings the PH of the surface back to neutral. It's one of those do what you feel more comfortable with things, for us more often then not we let the ox dry on the surface as it continues to brighten until its dry
These people never call you back! Im done
Why not demonstrate on a fence that was seriously dirty.... This hardly sells me on anything.
i think the bleach looks better.