That looks like a serious workout, without a resting system, a person would have to practice this type of climbing ( or something that mimics, the muscle groups used) I'm up for a challenge, but I would not jump on this course without training hard before going. Seriously Looks awesome though, it gives me an idea of what to build, as a training device. Thank you. JIm
This can fast become a very dangerous segment on Via Ferrata. The safety steel cable is long in between bolts, thiner than usual and the iron rings a complete overhang. I've climbed it a couple of times, it gets easier but it still poses a big danger.
It really depends. There are multiple elements to take into account when deciding. They say that connecting a short lanyard or a carabiner straight to the loop of the shock absorber will aid you in case of a fall. The thing is, while resting you should never fall because resting means static not dynamic. You clip the resting system and then you sit and rest. How can you fall into that so that you can need the shock absorber if you statically load the safety system? One argument to this might be that some make the error of connecting both the Via Ferrata Set lanyard and the resting system while advancing on the Via Ferrata. For this case, clipping the resting system to the loop of the shock absorber will prevent you from disaster (valid point). If you use the resting system as a dead third arm (just to have it there to feel safer) that's OK. If you use it to aid yourself while advancing in this case you keep the shock absorber loaded and this might deploy when too much force applied and while at the same time what you need is to maintain your position. Such sudden shift can actually lead to a drop (fall) and it might get you into trouble that otherwise you can avoid. The discussion keeps going. As you see in my videos, I connect the Ypsilon to the belay loop of the harness.
when should you take a break...when your muscles are failing?or when my heart rate is too high?and how long can or should you take the break...how long was the longest break you ever took during a via ferrata?greetings from vienna, austria
I will definitely take a break after my muscle show sign of advanced fatigue. If this happens I will take as many breaks possible. It just happened to me on Schlossberg Via Ferrata when I last time climbed it this summer. At an overhang I failed to make the transition. I then stopped, rested and only after reattempted. I usually don't take rest because of the hart rate rithm. In this case I regulate my pace. But, on Via Ferrata if my cardiac activity grows is because of the trouble I face (not the velocity of my pace). Usually I will take the rest after getting out of trouble. If I do it before (but this is specific to who I am) I will be weaker afterwards (physically and psychologically). Also, I usually don't realise the increase in cardiac activity until is too late to just stop. If I stop out of fear or to micro manage my heart rate then I might lose momentum on a segment that requires an extra push. I regulate cardiac activity on climbing mountaineering. On Via Ferrata I break only when I feel that either there is a long way until the end and I have no clue what to expect or if I'm successfully passing difficult segments. I will rest before or during a difficult segment only if it proves to be way over my ability. Longest rest? For psychological impact recovery up to 15 minutes. For metabolic recovery no longer that 5 minutes.
Yes, there is a Via Ferrata I think in Brazil or something like this, a Level F(K6) Via Ferrata that has some rings you have to use for progression. Other than that, I'm not aware of anything similar. These rings are a challenge. It helps experience physics. Worth doing.
@@JetSetYourself Oh, now that you mention it, I recall doing an adventure (rope) park one time - very like VF - that had obstacles like you mentioned, it was good fun as I recall, but lots of swings & ziplines...
That looks like a serious workout, without a resting system, a person would have to practice this type of climbing ( or something that mimics, the muscle groups used)
I'm up for a challenge, but I would not jump on this course without training hard before going. Seriously
Looks awesome though, it gives me an idea of what to build, as a training device. Thank you. JIm
This can fast become a very dangerous segment on Via Ferrata. The safety steel cable is long in between bolts, thiner than usual and the iron rings a complete overhang. I've climbed it a couple of times, it gets easier but it still poses a big danger.
Very informative!
Should the "resting system" attach to the VF Set Loop or the Harness Balay Loop?
It really depends. There are multiple elements to take into account when deciding. They say that connecting a short lanyard or a carabiner straight to the loop of the shock absorber will aid you in case of a fall. The thing is, while resting you should never fall because resting means static not dynamic. You clip the resting system and then you sit and rest. How can you fall into that so that you can need the shock absorber if you statically load the safety system? One argument to this might be that some make the error of connecting both the Via Ferrata Set lanyard and the resting system while advancing on the Via Ferrata. For this case, clipping the resting system to the loop of the shock absorber will prevent you from disaster (valid point). If you use the resting system as a dead third arm (just to have it there to feel safer) that's OK. If you use it to aid yourself while advancing in this case you keep the shock absorber loaded and this might deploy when too much force applied and while at the same time what you need is to maintain your position. Such sudden shift can actually lead to a drop (fall) and it might get you into trouble that otherwise you can avoid. The discussion keeps going. As you see in my videos, I connect the Ypsilon to the belay loop of the harness.
when should you take a break...when your muscles are failing?or when my heart rate is too high?and how long can or should you take the break...how long was the longest break you ever took during a via ferrata?greetings from vienna, austria
I will definitely take a break after my muscle show sign of advanced fatigue. If this happens I will take as many breaks possible. It just happened to me on Schlossberg Via Ferrata when I last time climbed it this summer. At an overhang I failed to make the transition. I then stopped, rested and only after reattempted. I usually don't take rest because of the hart rate rithm. In this case I regulate my pace. But, on Via Ferrata if my cardiac activity grows is because of the trouble I face (not the velocity of my pace). Usually I will take the rest after getting out of trouble. If I do it before (but this is specific to who I am) I will be weaker afterwards (physically and psychologically). Also, I usually don't realise the increase in cardiac activity until is too late to just stop. If I stop out of fear or to micro manage my heart rate then I might lose momentum on a segment that requires an extra push. I regulate cardiac activity on climbing mountaineering. On Via Ferrata I break only when I feel that either there is a long way until the end and I have no clue what to expect or if I'm successfully passing difficult segments. I will rest before or during a difficult segment only if it proves to be way over my ability.
Longest rest? For psychological impact recovery up to 15 minutes. For metabolic recovery no longer that 5 minutes.
Wow iron rings I've never seen those, hardest puzzle I faced were wooden pendulums, very hard to negotiate
Yes, there is a Via Ferrata I think in Brazil or something like this, a Level F(K6) Via Ferrata that has some rings you have to use for progression. Other than that, I'm not aware of anything similar. These rings are a challenge. It helps experience physics. Worth doing.
@@JetSetYourself Oh, now that you mention it, I recall doing an adventure (rope) park one time - very like VF - that had obstacles like you mentioned, it was good fun as I recall, but lots of swings & ziplines...