although i have already known about this technique, it is great that you're showing the proper way to inform anyone else who thinks that just throwing the winch cable under their vehicle to pull pull from a rear tree doesn't actually work, that they've still got some hope. just need minimum of 3 snatch blocks. trolls here just so you know, a 2 line pull doubles the pulling power of the winch, but also slows it down in half. that's why he only moved 0.5-1m. but when you have no option, 1m works.
On my Chevy I have a 2" square tube on my winch with a receiver & plug in on the front & back of the truck, it also allows me use the winch on the trailer plus store it out of the weather when not in use.
Thanks mate. I really learned a lot about pulley principle. People making comments on your video missed the point. It has nothing to do with the kind of vehicle getting stuck. It is about thinking outside the box, and finding a clever way to get out of trouble.
Thanks mate. Well explained and I really do like it when Safety gets a decent mention. I've so many dangerous recoveries on TH-cam that I wonder how long before something bad happens to these people. So job well done.
Haters gonna hate...However, just in case you might be right, it's why I use a manual tran so "I don't need no stinking starter." Maybe...I dunno...I don't wanna talk about it.
Thanks Hunty. I'm a newb, and looking to get a winch as soon as I can, and I also tend to trek out on my own. I play it safe, but I have gotten myself into some hairy situations. Where I'm from, mud is king, and some of the puddles can go on for quite a bit, so the concept of winching back away from an ever deepening puddle is perfect for my situation. Thanks for the clear instruction.
They all get stuck, but those that don't watch videos like this, that are shared to provide some basic instruction, and act like experts, well hospital emergency rooms will be seeing you. Good video, and excellent camera/sound work. Enjoyed
I really do like Nissan and Toyota 4by's - just being sarky / funny :) I have owned nearly 30 different 4x4's and Love wheeling here in OZ! cheers Hunty ps I made this vid due to a bet I made with a mate who said "You can't reverse winch - its the same as trying to pick yourself up off the ground by pulling on your own shoe laces" LOL apparently he was wrong :)
I know you did it, and I watched you do it - but I have a headache trying to figure out *how* it works.. You're, essentially, pulling the car at both ends.
@@terdsie it works like a cloths line on a loop. The Jeep is the connecting piece of two ends of the line. the winch is the power to move the line. I was thinking he was just going to go under the Jeep and connect to a tree down low.
A little hint to help you out I noticed that when you turn the shackles pin down. that you tightened it finger tight and with this action it can seize up on you and you will have to use a tool to unloosen it up a bit as an old sailor for 38 years at sea I learned a long time ago when you tighten up a shackle pin down back it off 1/4 of a turn and it will not seize up on you .
I agree. As an iron worker. First day on my job I made a mistake by over tighten it. And it was a pita to remove. So barley snug it and it's good to go
Horrible advice. Rigging is tested to determine WLL with screw pin tight against the shackle body. Never never back it off a 1/4 turn, I have fired people for it on the spot.
Matej Hosner I did cell phone tower maintenance for 2 years, up to and including 1700 ft.....I can assure you, no one unscrews the pin from a shackle before hooking a lifeline into it. You can do whatever you want, but I will continue to use every shackle as the manufacture states it should be used. Simple as that
Wow that is so clever. I've been trying to figure out how to winch backwards and I didn't think it could work like that. but after seeing it being done, it really is so simple. great video, the only bad thing is that i don't want to go buy 3 snatch blocks but I guess I will have to.
Very well done video. You have a good demeanor for a presentation and also a little humor. The only thing I would have loved to have seen is a full overview of the rigging methods instead of just each point as you did it. It would have put things in better perspective for me. Thanks for taking the time to present this material.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting. To get it right in my head I had to draw it out on a piece of paper and study it a minute. It didn't seem possible until I did. Only problem is I couldn't afford all the snatch blocks.
Thanks. That makes sense. Moving pulley at the load (the vehicle) gives 2 to 1 ratio advantage. The other stationary pulleys only use to re-direct the pulling force which is coming from the winch of the car.
I mount my winches in my beds since up front is not at all for utility and just to get them out of the way. In either case snatch blocks are wonderful and one can never have too many.
Video was done well and I enjoyed the humor. Problem here is that, most people will not carry that much gear. Many people will have a couple d-rings (USA) or bow shackle(Britain), a snatch strap, a tow strap and one if any snatch blocks. Stay safe on the trails mate.
Это работает только на ровной поверхности при правильных треугольниках. В реальности найти деревья рядом в таком соотношении нереально. В грязи КПД уходит все на блоки и трос просто порвет. Проще купить ручную лебедку
Its easyer to just run rope in middle underneath ( center) to tree pulley to rear jeep pulley an back to tree,, only need two blocks Try it some day Thanks for video
Most people install their tow-bar receivers with the hole facing horizontally as in this video. If a shackle is installed, it hangs down and looks neat. However It is better to install it with the hole vertical. There is far more likelihood of sideways force on the recovery point than vertical so doing this allows the shackle to move sideways without putting bending force on the pin.
Well presented very informative vid thanks Hunty, other than the whole snatch strap as a tree trunk protector (hell I would use it if I didn't have a third tree trunk protector, better than walking out) please don't step over a "live" connected winch line. Great vid keep up the good work.
Mixflip, I agree with you. This makes no sense to me. When the winch is pulling the cable like this, it is basically pulling the "circle" of rope smaller and smaller. There is just as much tension on the front of the Jeep as there is in the rear, and something has to give to let the cable pull into the winch. That tells me that you are really pulling it slightly backwards and sideways toward the side with the snatch blocks and the trees. As an experiment to prove the point, put the Jeep exactly dead center between two trees. Run your line out to the tree in front of you and then around the snatch block and then run that same cable UNDER the Jeep and straight back to the tree behind you. Then attach a snatch block on that tree and run it to the rear of your Jeep and snatch block it at the rear hitch and run the cable back to the same tree in the rear that you already tied to earlier. At that point the lines are running parallel to each other and not touching, but the force exerted from the winch is going to pull from the front tree to the rear tree and to the rear of the Jeep and then back to the rear tree again. At that point, when the cable is tight, there is no "give" left in the system. If you continue to run the winch, the pressure on the rear will multiply to twice the pressure on the front and either of several things will happen: You will break a snatch block or a cable or a "D" ring or tear the winch out of the front mount or overload the winch and it will stop pulling altogether. The use of snatch blocks in this set-up is a great way to pull a Jeep sideways to get it out of a rut, but it is not designed for a straight up rear pull. You are basically making the winch pull against itself and putting your Jeep and your gear and some trees in harm's way, if not burning out a winch.
@@Cujo71321 Picture a V.******** as the cable top left of V - fixed point...no pulley bottom of V - load w/pulley... not a fixed point. top right of V - fixed point... w/pulley... cable ******* to any pulling force, front of jeep, bottom of crane, the other side of the world, whatever. The pulling force "Winch" is going to Lift the load up between the two fixed points. You've probably used machines at the gym that work the same way. Now once the bottom is lifted between the two fixed points, then, yes, something is going to stop or break. But, not before because its free to move up to that point and the pulling force can handle the load. The reason you don't run the cable under the vehicle is, "You are stuck in three feet of Mud". Hope this helps. I struggled with it years ago until I saw the same principle used in a cable cross-over machine at the gym.
As much as this looks like a good idea, I'll stick with what I have. I welded a reese receiver in the front of my truck and mounted my winch to a reese hitch. So I can pull the winch and put it on either the front or back of the vehicle, depending on where I need it.
I know this is one year old, but I suggest you keep it on the back as a default. Yesterday I skidded off the road and into a snow bank on the side of the road which saved me from falling into the forest below, however at that point the front bumper was completely buried in snow and hanging off the edge. Therefore even if I did have a winch it would have been completely useless! If it were on the back however that would be a totally different story; thankfully a Toyota came along and we got my Suzuki Jimny pulled out! Considering a winch now, and your system sounds neat!
This video is correct. The only part that made me cringe was when he held the snatch block in his hand while activating the winch to get the cable on the roller. He knew what he was doing (holding his hand completely flat), but please be very very careful if you touch any of your winching equipment during even the slightest operation. Hunty, great video, and Thank You.
This is a cool physics lesson and a neat trick, but it's only practical in an extremely specific circumstance where everything falls perfectly into place. You have to have (1) enough trees in just the right places; (2) a ton of equipment that I doubt most people typically carry with them; (3) a really long winch line. And even if you have all that, you'll still only be able to winch yourself backwards a few feet. I do think it's really creative and intriguing, but personally I certainly wouldn't go off-roading thinking that this will work in any and all circumstances. Better to install a rear winch as well as a front winch.
If you are seriously into 4 wheeling in out of the way locations, you will quickly learn to carry gear and quite a bit of it. Sometimes a few feet of movement is the difference between driving out and having ti walk out and them go back and get the rig. Suit yourself, but for me and others I know hours of walking gets old fast!
Coy; Agree...I carry lots of spare gear because I'm usually by myself and 120kms back into my camp....I also carry a come along.....I've had winches crap out on me...spare winch cable/rope.....are a must. And a self recovery system. Bradford is just butt hurt because he didn't think of it....he also thinks you need trees, he obviously has never been off road where there are no trees....
Jedidiah walking is no fun, even less fun when you have to walk back carrying gear you should have loaded up before you left. I figure Bradford has never ventured on the well beaten path where anchor points and others are always near by.
a very good demonstration. This is one 'hitch' in the demonstration. Here, in the pacific northwest (Washington State) There is a lot of rain fall, so the trees only produce and root bundle and not a tap root. The result is, it is easy to pull the tree over, especially if the connection to the tree is a foot or more off the ground
I had been mulling this idea over in my head for a while and I thought that if I tried it I'd just be putting an equal force on both ends of the vehicle, therefore trying to pull my truck in half. I see now how you did it. Interesting. Might be worth a shot someday if I'm in a screwed situation, in my toyota ;)
If you attach a beam to the front bumper that extends about a foot or so beyond the width of the Jeep (to keep cable away from the vehicle's frame) & then put a block on its end then you can run the cable to the second anchor point of your example. You save the extra rigging & the time to set it up.
The Old Ford Bronco's of the 60's- 70's Era were the Best 4x4's Ever Made, Mine was Posi-Trac., front and rear and these vehicles would turn around like no vehicle ever Produced.
3DHunty Although your explanation is simpler on why this works, it is not as accurate as it really should be in my opinion. The reason this works is because the pulley (snatch block) on the rear is a movable pulley, but you are correct on the force of the vehicle resisting the pull being distributed amongst the 2 points.
i have done this trick before on a bet. You did a good job other than stating the pulling force was doubled. The Physics does not bear that out to be true... still a handy tool for the tool box.
Wrong David. Looking at cable travel versus vehicle travel is clever, but does not tell you the resulting force on the vehicle. You have to use the angles to the various trees and multiply the tension in the cable (shared everywhere) multiplied by the sine of the angle. Then make sure you total every cable run. This only works because you have two lines pulling rearward and one line pulling forward. After you work out the angles, you 'll see you also have forces trying to pull the jeep sideways. With the friction of the D-rings, the tension in the cable is dropping at every turn, so by the time you get to the two in the back, they're a lower tension than the one pulling in the front.
All the pulleys up to the one on the rear receiver do nothing other than change direction and add no mechanical advantage. He is correct in saying that the system provides 2:1 advantage on the rear of the jeep. If the winch is rated at 7,000 lbs, he is pulling the back with 14,000 lbs.
With so much tensions 9000 lbs up front 18000lbs in back, yes it works, but if you are really stuck, I’m wondering if it will actually get you backwards and pull you out.
May I ask Please, what do you think of your 2 door wrangler??? I am SERIOUSLY thinking about buying one. What are the few things you DO NOT LIKE about it Please? Thank You and regards.
@Splashdown64 Sorry, but that is incorrect. What you are saying would be true if the two end anchor points are the front and rear of the vehicle. In this case, the front anchor point is the winch and the rear anchor point is at the last tree (not the Jeep). The rear of the Jeep is connected to the final snatch box located in the final bite of the winch rope. The result is that ~double pulling force is located at the final snatch block, while "single" force is applied at the front of the Jeep.
why is everybody so offended at his comment that jeeps are better than nissan or toyota? i drive a tacoma and i don't really care if he thinks jeeps are better because i know they are not better than my yota theres no point in arguing about it… jeeps still aren't bad though so don't think I'm bashing them
Nice trick, however back in 1976 I chose to mount my winch on my Power Wagon where the spare tire mounts under the bed. I did this for 3 reasons . 1 my truck is equipped with a snow Plow. 2 in most cases when you get stuck you want to get out, not go deeper into it. 3 whenever I get hung up on a snow bank when plowing, I just winch myself back off. BTW I still have that 1976 Power Wagon
i got a xj jeep no ones ever had to pull me out, im amazed were mine has gone, i dont mind any of the brands, think its wrong to bash the other brands myself. so unless you used one yourself dont be rude. more the point the drivers more at fault than the 4x4 in most cases. im going to get a winch for the day i will get stuck most times im the lone 4x4 out bush. ive gone up very steep creek banks with trailer load of wood in 2 wheel drive were my fathers 60 series struggled empty. but in other ways the 60 series is better than my jeep and other way around. horses for courses, so saying ones crap other isnt is bullshit if you ask me
Always back the pin out on your snatch block a 1/2 turn to prevent it from getting locked. Keep your fingers completely away from the snatch block pulley when winching, I'd rather 'trap the winch rope' than loose a finger. Very nice technique though!
Hunty couple of things mate putting a wrap around the tree significantly reduces the wll of the tree trunk protector.Using a snatch strap as tree trunk protector with a sheave block hanging off it is very dangerous and equals a large powerful slingshot aimed at the back of your head DO NOT DO THI EVER.
the vehicle is only recieving power of a single line pull. The reason the vehicle goes backwards is the only distance that is flexible is between the two tree and the rear of the jeep. As you wind in cable the winch cable total length gets shorter and comes off the that one distance that is not a fixed distance.
I’ll put my 1952 GMC Deuce and a half up against any Jeep any day. While you’ve only got 4 wheels turning I’ve got 10 wheels pulling. I use the PTO winch to recuse Jeeps, Toyota’s, Fords, Dodges and heavy equipment. Albeit I only get 7mpg, I can carry 10 tons thru mid and still not get stuck.
I put a front receiver on my toyota and put the winch on a trailer hitch. I can move it from front to back in a couple of minutes no need for any of those tactics
I take your Point :) but I don't totally agree, the amount of stretch in the short amount I had free would be less than the stretch you would expect from using piano wire (LoL) winch cable, I use dyneema :) cheers Hunty
cpl reasons usually when your stuck you cant get underneath other is if slack on the line makes a loop it could get caught up on drivetrain or crossmembers if your gonna do crazy offroading buy two winches one for the front and a receiver mount for the rear the other alternative that we used to do as teenagers was back in first to see if you can make it
When I bought my YJ, it came with one on the front So I out a receiver on the rear. My car trailer has a slider with a winch that I put in the Jeep and used a lithium jump pack to power it weather it was on the front or rear didn't matter with the jump pack
Good demonstration, but you should not use a snatch strap as an anchor point like you did with the second snatch block. A snatch strap will stretch and potentially break, turning the snatch block into a projectile. Only use straps that do not stretch (e.g. tree savers, winch extension straps, etc.) for anchor points.
... and the snatch strap can potentially stretch in this situation, break loose, and turn your recovery gear into a projectile. Never use snatch straps as anchor points.
I've never needed to use my winch in 25 years of offload travel...But that's because I own an L300. While you blokes are arguing about which Toyota rusts quickest, which Nissan bogs fastest and how pissed off you are every morning rebuilding your Jeep engine before you can re-commence your trip, and let's not even talk about mortgaging the house to buy an unreliable Land rover or rattle to death Mercedes. I'm exploring the bush. Lol...
Obviously this works. But it just looks sooo un-natural.. After decades of equipping my trucks with front mounted winches, my next will be a removable 8500 portable locked to a front bumper but able to be slid into the receiver with a 20 ft power cable and clips to the battery.
stevest1300 looks unnatural because you have never grasped the usefulness of a snatch block in redirecting a winch line. Watch a few towing channels and you will see lots of snatch block usage.
although i have already known about this technique, it is great that you're showing the proper way to inform anyone else who thinks that just throwing the winch cable under their vehicle to pull pull from a rear tree doesn't actually work, that they've still got some hope. just need minimum of 3 snatch blocks.
trolls here just so you know, a 2 line pull doubles the pulling power of the winch, but also slows it down in half. that's why he only moved 0.5-1m. but when you have no option, 1m works.
On my Chevy I have a 2" square tube on my winch with a receiver & plug in on the front & back of the truck, it also allows me use the winch on the trailer plus store it out of the weather when not in use.
Thanks mate. I really learned a lot about pulley principle. People making comments on your video missed the point. It has nothing to do with the kind of vehicle getting stuck. It is about thinking outside the box, and finding a clever way to get out of trouble.
SNATCH BLOCK(S)!!
lol, you've gone down a you tube rabbit hole looking at snatch blocks.... me too!
I have been quoting you on random Snatchblock videos..
A true Alabaman.
Thanks mate. Well explained and I really do like it when Safety gets a decent mention. I've so many dangerous recoveries on TH-cam that I wonder how long before something bad happens to these people. So job well done.
+Bill Blinky - Thanx heaps for your kind words :)
Brilliant! And very well filmed, as well as clearly explained! You're a good teacher!
"It's not stuck. It's a Jeep."
Sure. But will it start?
I dunno, mine starts first try, no problem in -40C cold. Don't even need to plug it in.
he will learn it in the hard way :)
Haters gonna hate...However, just in case you might be right, it's why I use a manual tran so "I don't need no stinking starter." Maybe...I dunno...I don't wanna talk about it.
If its manual and you can push start it
come to norway and try to run your jeep everyday in minus 30celsius... then you need a toyota
Thanks Hunty. I'm a newb, and looking to get a winch as soon as I can, and I also tend to trek out on my own. I play it safe, but I have gotten myself into some hairy situations. Where I'm from, mud is king, and some of the puddles can go on for quite a bit, so the concept of winching back away from an ever deepening puddle is perfect for my situation. Thanks for the clear instruction.
They all get stuck, but those that don't watch videos like this, that are shared to provide some basic instruction, and act like experts, well hospital emergency rooms will be seeing you.
Good video, and excellent camera/sound work. Enjoyed
I really do like Nissan and Toyota 4by's - just being sarky / funny :) I have owned nearly 30 different 4x4's and Love wheeling here in OZ! cheers Hunty ps
I made this vid due to a bet I made with a mate who said "You can't reverse winch - its the same as trying to pick yourself up off the ground by pulling on your own shoe laces" LOL apparently he was wrong :)
I know you did it, and I watched you do it - but I have a headache trying to figure out *how* it works..
You're, essentially, pulling the car at both ends.
@@terdsie it works like a cloths line on a loop. The Jeep is the connecting piece of two ends of the line. the winch is the power to move the line. I was thinking he was just going to go under the Jeep and connect to a tree down low.
I did this maneuver and it worked.... Only thing is my Jeep is six inches longer now. 😳
I know people who paid to have that done.
Lol
It should only be 3 inches longer due to the mechanical disadvantage... lol... jks.
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Well done, what if is no trees?
Reverse winch, I was expecting to see a winch that pulls you into trouble and not out. ;))
A little hint to help you out I noticed that when you turn the shackles pin down. that you tightened it finger tight and with this action it can seize up on you and you will have to use a tool to unloosen it up a bit as an old sailor for 38 years at sea I learned a long time ago when you tighten up a shackle pin down back it off 1/4 of a turn and it will not seize up on you .
I agree. As an iron worker. First day on my job I made a mistake by over tighten it. And it was a pita to remove. So barley snug it and it's good to go
Richard Hilbert
Horrible advice. Rigging is tested to determine WLL with screw pin tight against the shackle body. Never never back it off a 1/4 turn, I have fired people for it on the spot.
txtallywhacker well, in canyoning and climbing we do just that!
Go figure it out why it works for us.
Matej Hosner I did cell phone tower maintenance for 2 years, up to and including 1700 ft.....I can assure you, no one unscrews the pin from a shackle before hooking a lifeline into it. You can do whatever you want, but I will continue to use every shackle as the manufacture states it should be used. Simple as that
Wow that is so clever. I've been trying to figure out how to winch backwards and I didn't think it could work like that. but after seeing it being done, it really is so simple. great video, the only bad thing is that i don't want to go buy 3 snatch blocks but I guess I will have to.
Very well done video. You have a good demeanor for a presentation and also a little humor. The only thing I would have loved to have seen is a full overview of the rigging methods instead of just each point as you did it. It would have put things in better perspective for me. Thanks for taking the time to present this material.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting. To get it right in my head I had to draw it out on a piece of paper and study it a minute. It didn't seem possible until I did. Only problem is I couldn't afford all the snatch blocks.
Thanks. That makes sense. Moving pulley at the load (the vehicle) gives 2 to 1 ratio advantage. The other stationary pulleys only use to re-direct the pulling force which is coming from the winch of the car.
Traveling pulley, that's the key! If you look at MANY tutorials on winching, they are just installing redirection pulley which is fixed.
I mount my winches in my beds since up front is not at all for utility and just to get them out of the way. In either case snatch blocks are wonderful and one can never have too many.
I'm not stuck because it's a jeep. Love it !🤣🤣👍
Video was done well and I enjoyed the humor. Problem here is that, most people will not carry that much gear. Many people will have a couple d-rings (USA) or bow shackle(Britain), a snatch strap, a tow strap and one if any snatch blocks. Stay safe on the trails mate.
Nice demo, I carry same amount of gear for exactly that purpose but bridle from two rear recovery points.
Excellent presentation, thank you from Orange County California
Это работает только на ровной поверхности при правильных треугольниках. В реальности найти деревья рядом в таком соотношении нереально. В грязи КПД уходит все на блоки и трос просто порвет. Проще купить ручную лебедку
Simple physics! Great demo! As you stated there must be 3 pulling points to work properly!!
Its easyer to just run rope in middle underneath ( center) to tree pulley to rear jeep pulley an back to tree,, only need two blocks
Try it some day
Thanks for video
Not if you are buried in mud....
?? 3 blocks in stead of 4 ?? unless you have a special roller bar / chassis....
Most people install their tow-bar receivers with the hole facing horizontally as in this video. If a shackle is installed, it hangs down and looks neat. However It is better to install it with the hole vertical. There is far more likelihood of sideways force on the recovery point than vertical so doing this allows the shackle to move sideways without putting bending force on the pin.
Well presented very informative vid thanks Hunty, other than the whole snatch strap as a tree trunk protector (hell I would use it if I didn't have a third tree trunk protector, better than walking out) please don't step over a "live" connected winch line. Great vid keep up the good work.
Correct, the snatch strap will stretch and can snap. Never use them for static loads...e.g. an anchor point for a pulley.
Well demonstrated how to put block int the bite and double the force. Your only limits are how much cable and to not hock too high on the pull points
Nice...assuming you have a plethora of anchor points handy within close proximity. That system can eat up some cable fast. Thanks.
I wonder why you cant just run the cable under the vehicle (using that rear tow hitch islet as a guide)?
Mixflip, I agree with you. This makes no sense to me. When the winch is pulling the cable like this, it is basically pulling the "circle" of rope smaller and smaller. There is just as much tension on the front of the Jeep as there is in the rear, and something has to give to let the cable pull into the winch. That tells me that you are really pulling it slightly backwards and sideways toward the side with the snatch blocks and the trees. As an experiment to prove the point, put the Jeep exactly dead center between two trees. Run your line out to the tree in front of you and then around the snatch block and then run that same cable UNDER the Jeep and straight back to the tree behind you. Then attach a snatch block on that tree and run it to the rear of your Jeep and snatch block it at the rear hitch and run the cable back to the same tree in the rear that you already tied to earlier. At that point the lines are running parallel to each other and not touching, but the force exerted from the winch is going to pull from the front tree to the rear tree and to the rear of the Jeep and then back to the rear tree again. At that point, when the cable is tight, there is no "give" left in the system. If you continue to run the winch, the pressure on the rear will multiply to twice the pressure on the front and either of several things will happen: You will break a snatch block or a cable or a "D" ring or tear the winch out of the front mount or overload the winch and it will stop pulling altogether. The use of snatch blocks in this set-up is a great way to pull a Jeep sideways to get it out of a rut, but it is not designed for a straight up rear pull. You are basically making the winch pull against itself and putting your Jeep and your gear and some trees in harm's way, if not burning out a winch.
I thought of this too, but after walking through it mentally, I'd be worried that the cable is in the space of the driveshafts.
Because your buried in three feet of mud, that's why your stuck
@@Cujo71321
Picture a V.******** as the cable
top left of V - fixed point...no pulley
bottom of V - load w/pulley... not a fixed point.
top right of V - fixed point... w/pulley... cable ******* to any pulling force, front of jeep, bottom of crane, the other side of the world, whatever.
The pulling force "Winch" is going to Lift the load up between the two fixed points. You've probably used machines at the gym that work the same way. Now once the bottom is lifted between the two fixed points, then, yes, something is going to stop or break. But, not before because its free to move up to that point and the pulling force can handle the load.
The reason you don't run the cable under the vehicle is, "You are stuck in three feet of Mud".
Hope this helps. I struggled with it years ago until I saw the same principle used in a cable cross-over machine at the gym.
@@Cujo71321 th-cam.com/video/zBphM-ujnFU/w-d-xo.html you'll see the V in the diagram section with a better explanation about "Slack"
As much as this looks like a good idea, I'll stick with what I have. I welded a reese receiver in the front of my truck and mounted my winch to a reese hitch. So I can pull the winch and put it on either the front or back of the vehicle, depending on where I need it.
I know this is one year old, but I suggest you keep it on the back as a default. Yesterday I skidded off the road and into a snow bank on the side of the road which saved me from falling into the forest below, however at that point the front bumper was completely buried in snow and hanging off the edge. Therefore even if I did have a winch it would have been completely useless! If it were on the back however that would be a totally different story; thankfully a Toyota came along and we got my Suzuki Jimny pulled out! Considering a winch now, and your system sounds neat!
This video is correct. The only part that made me cringe was when he held the snatch block in his hand while activating the winch to get the cable on the roller. He knew what he was doing (holding his hand completely flat), but please be very very careful if you touch any of your winching equipment during even the slightest operation.
Hunty, great video, and Thank You.
This is a cool physics lesson and a neat trick, but it's only practical in an extremely specific circumstance where everything falls perfectly into place. You have to have (1) enough trees in just the right places; (2) a ton of equipment that I doubt most people typically carry with them; (3) a really long winch line. And even if you have all that, you'll still only be able to winch yourself backwards a few feet.
I do think it's really creative and intriguing, but personally I certainly wouldn't go off-roading thinking that this will work in any and all circumstances. Better to install a rear winch as well as a front winch.
***** i agree with most of that but most winches have 100+ feet of cable
If you are seriously into 4 wheeling in out of the way locations, you will quickly learn to carry gear and quite a bit of it. Sometimes a few feet of movement is the difference between driving out and having ti walk out and them go back and get the rig.
Suit yourself, but for me and others I know hours of walking gets old fast!
Coy; Agree...I carry lots of spare gear because I'm usually by myself and 120kms back into my camp....I also carry a come along.....I've had winches crap out on me...spare winch cable/rope.....are a must. And a self recovery system. Bradford is just butt hurt because he didn't think of it....he also thinks you need trees, he obviously has never been off road where there are no trees....
Jedidiah walking is no fun, even less fun when you have to walk back carrying gear you should have loaded up before you left.
I figure Bradford has never ventured on the well beaten path where anchor points and others are always near by.
a very good demonstration.
This is one 'hitch' in the demonstration.
Here, in the pacific northwest (Washington State) There is a lot of rain fall, so the trees only produce and root bundle and not a tap root.
The result is, it is easy to pull the tree over, especially if the connection to the tree is a foot or more off the ground
Thank you, very informative.
No car gets into trouble without the driver putting it there.
I had been mulling this idea over in my head for a while and I thought that if I tried it I'd just be putting an equal force on both ends of the vehicle, therefore trying to pull my truck in half. I see now how you did it. Interesting. Might be worth a shot someday if I'm in a screwed situation, in my toyota ;)
If you attach a beam to the front bumper that extends about a foot or so beyond the width of the Jeep (to keep cable away from the vehicle's frame) & then put a block on its end then you can run the cable to the second anchor point of your example. You save the extra rigging & the time to set it up.
Awesome video ! Definitely something everyone should know . Thanks for the info
The Old Ford Bronco's of the 60's- 70's Era were the Best 4x4's Ever Made, Mine was Posi-Trac., front and rear and these vehicles would turn around like no vehicle ever Produced.
Thank you, getting ready to install my winch, and gathering know how from lots of sources. Nice video, explained well and the example was perfect
I watched it again. EXCELLENT !!!
you use less cable if your winch is on a receiver so it can be used on both ends or even on buddy's rig
You're right most jeeps don't get stuck! That's because they are normally broke down at the side of the rd before they even get to go off rd!
thanks from Canadian 92 YJ owner.
it doesnt matter what the block is rated too,ITS THE PIN THAT BREAKS FIRST.
Why would you buy anything less than what the winch is rated for...sounds like something an idiot would do....
liked just for the "im not really stuck because this is a jeep, if i was a nissan or toyota, maybe." hahaha
3DHunty Although your explanation is simpler on why this works, it is not as accurate as it really should be in my opinion. The reason this works is because the pulley (snatch block) on the rear is a movable pulley, but you are correct on the force of the vehicle resisting the pull being distributed amongst the 2 points.
Now do the part about starting the vehicle BEFORE winching, so you don't drain your battery. ;)
ah it;s jeep with creep
i have done this trick before on a bet. You did a good job other than stating the pulling force was doubled. The Physics does not bear that out to be true... still a handy tool for the tool box.
Wrong David. Looking at cable travel versus vehicle travel is clever, but does not tell you the resulting force on the vehicle. You have to use the angles to the various trees and multiply the tension in the cable (shared everywhere) multiplied by the sine of the angle. Then make sure you total every cable run. This only works because you have two lines pulling rearward and one line pulling forward. After you work out the angles, you 'll see you also have forces trying to pull the jeep sideways. With the friction of the D-rings, the tension in the cable is dropping at every turn, so by the time you get to the two in the back, they're a lower tension than the one pulling in the front.
All the pulleys up to the one on the rear receiver do nothing other than change direction and add no mechanical advantage. He is correct in saying that the system provides 2:1 advantage on the rear of the jeep. If the winch is rated at 7,000 lbs, he is pulling the back with 14,000 lbs.
With so much tensions 9000 lbs up front 18000lbs in back, yes it works, but if you are really stuck, I’m wondering if it will actually get you backwards and pull you out.
May I ask Please, what do you think of your 2 door wrangler???
I am SERIOUSLY thinking about buying one.
What are the few things you DO NOT LIKE about it Please?
Thank You and regards.
EXCELLENT video.
Thank You.
Excellent.
Awesome video great explanation. Concise and to point.
@Splashdown64 Sorry, but that is incorrect. What you are saying would be true if the two end anchor points are the front and rear of the vehicle. In this case, the front anchor point is the winch and the rear anchor point is at the last tree (not the Jeep). The rear of the Jeep is connected to the final snatch box located in the final bite of the winch rope. The result is that ~double pulling force is located at the final snatch block, while "single" force is applied at the front of the Jeep.
nice vid and great explanation on how that works.
ah wally.. here in Canada we just unhook the winch from the front move it and connect to rear of truck,,pico clips,gday wally
Well done mate thanks for showing us that, was wondering about reverse winching
Thanks for the vid mate, first proper explanation I've seen on Ytube, thumbs up
why is everybody so offended at his comment that jeeps are better than nissan or toyota? i drive a tacoma and i don't really care if he thinks jeeps are better because i know they are not better than my yota theres no point in arguing about it… jeeps still aren't bad though so don't think I'm bashing them
...the "internet" and all the sensitive folks who only do that here, in RL they are VERY quiet.
this is actually pretty impressive. good work
not sure what rock he has been hiding under, but the nissan GQ patrol is king here in oz, only have to look at what the comp boys use???
hilux's
Just Jokes - I luv my Toyota and Ive had over 12 Nissan 4by's - luv em too :)
Awesome example, I'm just curious how you handle the rope pileup from side pulling on the winch?
Shouldn't use a snatch strap when winching. If anything let's go it can effectively work as a slingshot
100%. Came here to say the same thing.
This is genius. I could watch Ozzie four-wheel-drive videos all day. :-) Oh wait, I have.
haha i loved this guy the moment he said "im stuck well not really im in a jeep" hahaha
Nice trick, however back in 1976 I chose to mount my winch on my Power Wagon where the spare tire mounts under the bed.
I did this for 3 reasons
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1 my truck is equipped with a snow Plow.
2 in most cases when you get stuck you want to get out, not go deeper into it.
3 whenever I get hung up on a snow bank when plowing, I just winch myself back off.
BTW I still have that 1976 Power Wagon
i got a xj jeep no ones ever had to pull me out, im amazed were mine has gone, i dont mind any of the brands, think its wrong to bash the other brands myself. so unless you used one yourself dont be rude. more the point the drivers more at fault than the 4x4 in most cases. im going to get a winch for the day i will get stuck most times im the lone 4x4 out bush. ive gone up very steep creek banks with trailer load of wood in 2 wheel drive were my fathers 60 series struggled empty. but in other ways the 60 series is better than my jeep and other way around. horses for courses, so saying ones crap other isnt is bullshit if you ask me
Always back the pin out on your snatch block a 1/2 turn to prevent it from getting locked. Keep your fingers completely away from the snatch block pulley when winching, I'd rather 'trap the winch rope' than loose a finger. Very nice technique though!
This is brilliant, I hope i get a chance to do a revere recovery, I need 2 more snatch blocks though....
Love the video and the accent mate.
Great video! I love Jeeps, they're so cute.
does your jeep not have a reverse gear
A drawing would help a lot but that’s brilliant!
Hunty couple of things mate putting a wrap around the tree significantly reduces the wll of the tree trunk protector.Using a snatch strap as tree trunk protector with a sheave block hanging off it is very dangerous and equals a large powerful slingshot aimed at the back of your head DO NOT DO THI EVER.
100%
Like it. Great explanation of how to do it - although I can't see myself carrying three pulleys just in case.
Very nicely done!
the vehicle is only recieving power of a single line pull. The reason the vehicle goes backwards is the only distance that is flexible is between the two tree and the rear of the jeep. As you wind in cable the winch cable total length gets shorter and comes off the that one distance that is not a fixed distance.
I’ll put my 1952 GMC Deuce and a half up against any Jeep any day. While you’ve only got 4 wheels turning I’ve got 10 wheels pulling. I use the PTO winch to recuse Jeeps, Toyota’s, Fords, Dodges and heavy equipment. Albeit I only get 7mpg, I can carry 10 tons thru mid and still not get stuck.
I put a front receiver on my toyota and put the winch on a trailer hitch. I can move it from front to back in a couple of minutes no need for any of those tactics
Indeed, I think this is the best configuration, more easy and versatile.
Shows us a video of you using it on the back hitch when your really good and stuck. Typically those are light duty
That not the point of the video...I have a rocket ship to pull me out!
I take your Point :) but I don't totally agree, the amount of stretch in the short amount I had free would be less than the stretch you would expect from using piano wire (LoL) winch cable, I use dyneema :) cheers Hunty
JEEP? you've had too much mate, no wonder you know this technique so well!
It is an awesome trick. Very cleaver. Thanks.
good video. It would have been nice to outline how to plan for this and where to set up your pull points.
Thanks for the lesson Hunty!
why not a pulley on the bottom of the bumper and run the cable underneath the car to the rear?
cpl reasons
usually when your stuck you cant get underneath
other is if slack on the line makes a loop it could get caught up on drivetrain or crossmembers
if your gonna do crazy offroading buy two winches one for the front and a receiver mount for the rear
the other alternative that we used to do as teenagers was back in first to see if you can make it
I had my YJ setup like that
When I bought my YJ, it came with one on the front So I out a receiver on the rear. My car trailer has a slider with a winch that I put in the Jeep and used a lithium jump pack to power it weather it was on the front or rear didn't matter with the jump pack
What if they are no trees available ?
Thank you for this video. Been looking for something like this. 👍
Lol @ the haters. I've got a Toyota but this is smart either way. Can't wait to try it.
Hunty you forgot that Green AUSJOR Tshirt! :-)
Great and very helpful videos!
Subscribed and shared!
Cheers Mate!
John
how to turn a SWB into a LWB I use a Tirfor hand winch, can pull in any direction
Good demonstration, but you should not use a snatch strap as an anchor point like you did with the second snatch block. A snatch strap will stretch and potentially break, turning the snatch block into a projectile. Only use straps that do not stretch (e.g. tree savers, winch extension straps, etc.) for anchor points.
What's the difference between a "tree protector" and a snatch strap?
... and the snatch strap can potentially stretch in this situation, break loose, and turn your recovery gear into a projectile. Never use snatch straps as anchor points.
I have sticker on my Landcruiser that says jeep recovery and tow 4wd is the motor running in the jeep
I've never needed to use my winch in 25 years of offload travel...But that's because I own an L300. While you blokes are arguing about which Toyota rusts quickest, which Nissan bogs fastest and how pissed off you are every morning rebuilding your Jeep engine before you can re-commence your trip, and let's not even talk about mortgaging the house to buy an unreliable Land rover or rattle to death Mercedes. I'm exploring the bush. Lol...
Just make sure when you are in the bush not to forget your snatch (block). :-P
I have been off roading for 50 years, and if you have not been stuck you have not been off roading.
Number one Method to not get stuck in the first place keep your tires on the pavement
and if there are no trees, where to get as many anchors
What’s a nice demonstration but who got so many accessories in his car ??
Nissan or jeep or what ever, Every 4x4 has 2 diffs and 4 wheels with tires! Not to different are they...
ya suspension and articulation mean nothing
My 4x4 has 6 wheels. And My 4x2 also has 6 wheels.
Everyone carries 3 snatch blocks with them all the time.
And if someone says "barrow a block from someone with you", you don't need one at all.
mate did u say reverse winge?
Obviously this works. But it just looks sooo un-natural..
After decades of equipping my trucks with front mounted winches, my next will be a removable 8500 portable locked to a front bumper but able to be slid into the receiver with a 20 ft power cable and clips to the battery.
stevest1300 looks unnatural because you have never grasped the usefulness of a snatch block in redirecting a winch line. Watch a few towing channels and you will see lots of snatch block usage.